[00:00] kklimonda, you mean in a normative sense? [00:00] RAOF, on GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT right? [00:00] BUGabundo, it works but when it doesn't you have no way of debugging it. also I'd except my driver to support KMS, xrandr 1.2 and suspend/hibernation [00:01] I know [00:01] well I'm now on nouveu [00:01] waiting for some 3D support [00:01] don't ask much [00:01] just compiz basics [00:01] so can use it, and composite [00:01] bjsnider, ParseError near normative sense. Please refine your query :P [00:01] for notify-osd [00:02] composite works for me [00:02] RAOF: anything useful on my logs ? [00:02] kklimonda: doesn't for me [00:02] both notify-osd and gnome-do fail to use it [00:02] kklimonda, in other words, right vs. wrong. "it is wrong to use a closed source driver" etc. i was speaking pragmatically. it is clearly the best linux graphics driver [00:03] BUGabundo, do you have any compositing manager running? [00:03] vanila metacity [00:03] bjsnider, no - it's just that it simply doesn't do what I expect it to and when something is broken I have no means of debugging it [00:03] AFAIR enableling composite on it would make compiz crash [00:03] BUGabundo, you can either run xcompmgr or enable compositing in metacity [00:04] what's xcompmgr ? [00:04] that's probably the first composite manager for linux [00:04] it does only that ;) [00:10] * BUGabundo stranges the long silence [00:10] BUGabundo: Just looking at my logs. [00:10] s/my/your/ [00:12] BUGabundo: Everything seems ok there. [00:12] strange [00:12] I do listen to more fan usage [00:12] after 2 days on VESA [00:13] RAOF, I added lbm-nouveau.nomodeset=1 to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT would that get me back my VESA goodness? [00:13] alex_mayorga: I believe so, yes. [00:14] Oh, actually. [00:14] RAOF. let me check that [00:14] That should be lbm-nouveau.modeset=0 [00:21] !intelhda [00:21] For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto [00:31] anyone tracking libdbusmenu-glib1 and libdbusmenu-gtk1 failures to build? [00:32] ? [00:33] libdbusmenu-gtk1 | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Packages [00:33] libdbusmenu | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/main Sources [00:33] BUGabundo: Given that I've just installed those packages... [00:33] libdbusmenu | 0.2.3-0ubuntu1 | lucid | source [00:33] looks pretty sane to me [00:34] indicator-messages: [00:34] Depends: libdbusmenu-glib1 but it is not going to be installed [00:34] Depends: libdbusmenu-gtk1 but it is not going to be installed [00:34] Depends: libindicate4 but it is not going to be installed [00:34] aptitude why-not libdbusmenu-glib1 [00:34] etc. [00:35] * BUGabundo wonders if that is because of having gwibber on hold [00:35] $ aptitude why-not libdbusmenu-glib1 [00:35] Unable to find a reason to remove libdbusmenu-glib1. [00:35] LOL [00:35] aptitude fail [00:37] I'm out of ideas crimsun [00:38] I'm off to catch my transport, will look later if no one else has gotten to it. [00:38] okay [00:38] FYI I do have gwibber on hold, cause newer packages aren't that good [00:39] * BUGabundo tries to remove HOLD and do a simulate upgrade [00:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/371315/ [00:42] BUGabundo, do a dist-upgrade to see what the problem is [00:43] * BUGabundo points kklimonda to pastbin === mewshi_ is now known as mewshi [00:44] BUGabundo, it doesn't look like a dist-upgrade to me [00:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/371319/ [00:44] BUGabundo, you use the main archive? [00:45] for ? [00:45] for apt-get [00:45] well, updates [00:45] I use two repos, yes [00:45] main and a portuguese one [00:46] see http://paste.ubuntu.com/371320/ [00:48] and libdbusmenu-gtk0? [00:48] the question is pretty stupid.. [00:49] the are both built from the same source package [01:04] if i am going from 8.04 -> 10.04 will i still use grub legancy? or is there only grub2 in 10.04? [01:05] only new installs will have grub2 [01:06] (afaik) [01:08] tsimpson: that was in 9.10 [01:08] 10.04 will have grub2 [01:08] AFAIK [01:08] BUGabundo: does it upgrade →grub2 currently? [01:08] no idea [01:09] I _think_ so [01:09] !info grub lynx [01:09] 'lynx' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner [01:09] Let's see, what virtualbox says... [01:10] !info grub lucid [01:10] grub (source: grub): GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-29ubuntu59 (lucid), package size 396 kB, installed size 924 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 lpia all) [01:10] :) [01:10] iceroot: FYI while in +1 bot assumes Lucid [01:11] BUGabundo: ok thx [01:11] as far as I can see, nothing depends explicitly on grub2 [01:11] or grub for that matter [01:11] ehe [01:11] iceroot: don't know if that's confirmation, but my guess is still using grub-legacy [01:11] check ubuntu-base [01:11] lucid has a feature freeze now? [01:11] BUGabundo, you can already install mesa from xorg-edgers ppa [01:12] iceroot, not yet [01:12] neither ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard depend on it [01:12] BUGabundo, compiz works [01:12] woot [01:12] dunno about expose [01:12] ok thx for the help [01:12] reloading packages [01:13] the linux-image-... packages recommend grub-pc (Grub2), or grub, or lilo [01:13] kklimonda: which pacakge? [01:13] BUGabundo, expose (super+w) works fine [01:13] BUGabundo, mesa [01:13] mesa-utils? [01:13] tsimpson: thx for the info [01:13] BUGabundo, well, I guess mesa-utils is one of them [01:14] BUGabundo, libglu1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri [01:14] yep [01:14] BUGabundo, those three were upgraded on my system [01:14] libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa mesa-utils ttf-symbol-replacement ttf-tahoma-replacement wine1.2 [01:16] kklimonda: rebooting to test [01:23] IT WORKS [01:23] IT WORKS [01:23] IT WORKS [01:24] well almost [01:24] still no compiz interaction [01:24] but its there [01:24] I got a funky reboot [01:24] very long black screen [01:24] compiz interaction? [01:25] BUGabundo, that's to be expected [01:25] went to TTY back to F7, X was there, but auto logout [01:25] login again and its fine [01:25] kklimonda: I activated 3D, ok so far, but some compiz plugins don't work [01:25] like Cube [01:25] BUGabundo, #ubuntu-x is a better place for that :) [01:26] ahhh [01:26] clear, and reactivate fixes it [01:26] seems it doesn't remembers what's its settings are [01:27] maybe after next reboot its ok [01:28] btw, it's incredible how big difference ureadahead does for boot time [01:36] mew [01:36] going from compiz to metacity crashes :( [01:36] removed off plymouth [01:36] but still got funky login and long black screen [01:37] crashes what? [01:37] works fine here [01:37] both ways [01:38] nope [01:38] tried twice [01:38] if I go from Compiz to metacity, I get a freezes background [01:38] nothing else, no response from my system [01:38] very similar to my old prob with nvida/plymouth [01:39] WOW [01:39] this driver is SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW [01:39] compiz benchmark is at 32FPS [01:40] nvidia blob: 200 [01:41] Cube has a bug with this driver too [01:41] while rotating it projects the images 90º [01:41] zoom works [01:41] transparency is very weak [01:41] weak? [01:42] yeah [01:42] BUGabundo, where is compiz benchmark? [01:42] lots of artifacts [01:42] weird [01:42] kklimonda: super F12 [01:42] nope [01:42] both apps expose and Desktop expose work [01:42] fire writing works [01:43] selective zoom works [01:43] all apps switcher seem to work [01:43] windows previews FAIL [01:43] BUGabundo, you should go to the #ubuntu-x :P [01:44] got the windown, but nothing in there [01:44] or ping Sarvatt ;) [01:44] I should go to bed [01:44] 2am [01:44] need to get up early to replace the broken mirror of my brother assaulted car [01:45] TOTALLY FORGET RAIN EFFECTS [01:45] and what about wobbly windows? ;) [01:45] I just made my system crawl to deaf [01:45] woobly works [01:46] Oh, it does now? [01:46] conclusion: nouveau gallium 3D support works ok, but is *very* slow [01:46] thanks RAOF [01:46] Cool. It used to lose the window texture when the window was transformed for me :) [01:47] needs to fix transparencies, tumbnails, improve speed, and u can get it to be default :D [01:47] * BUGabundo loves the new framebuffers TTYs [01:47] humm [01:47] let me check v-sync [01:47] I'm not sure that's implemented (except for Xv). [01:48] RAOF, when are you going to decide whenever nouveau replaces nv in lucid? or has it been decided already? [01:48] RAOF: I can't find v-sync option :\ [01:48] I'm not sure; it's fairly easy to back out of. We'd want at least one alpha's worth of testing, too. [01:49] but I do remember it used to be the cause to slow downs [01:49] BUGabundo: For what? Nouveau's 3d? As I say, I don't think it's implemented. Except for Xv, where I don't think you can disable it. [01:49] if it depends on me, and this doesn't break more then nv blob, I'll be using it till release RAOF [01:49] where do bugs get filled? [01:50] and what kind of bugs are you looking into ? [01:50] BUGabundo, what are you using, the gallium driver? [01:50] 168 frames in 5.0 seconds = 33.365 FPS [01:51] bjsnider: YES [01:51] RAOF: I'm not sure most graphic processing is being done in the GPU [01:51] BUGabundo: At the moment, bugs get filed on IRC and the mailing list. Once we shift this into the main repository, ubuntu-bug will work. [01:51] my CPU is jumping a lot [01:52] * BUGabundo adds #ubuntu-x to pidgin startup [01:53] BUGabundo, that's weird - I get ~170fps and my card is slower than yours [01:53] RAOF: I do see some (white) artifacts from labels and friends [01:53] kklimonda: glxgears fullscreen ? [01:53] oh, fullscreen [01:54] BUGabundo, still more :D [01:54] what do you typically get with the blob? several thousand? [01:54] ~47 [01:54] no idea [01:54] no idea [01:54] I've never really used glxgears [01:54] i get about 6500 [01:55] Oh, and when I say “bugs”, 3D bugs are *not* included :) [01:55] bug I mention in cube with nouveau gallium http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/cube.png [01:55] there is a nouveau irc channel to report bugs [01:55] ill try hibernate / resume tonight [01:55] bjsnider, #nouveau at freenode [01:55] bjsnider, but as RAOF said no 3d bugs should be reported [01:56] are they _ubuntu_ friendly ? [01:56] They'll make sure you're using a current git snapshot. [01:56] lots of redhat guys in there [01:56] Currently, our snapshot is reasonably recent. [01:56] is skeggs in there? [01:58] Probably. [01:58] and who is he ? [01:58] and why did you mention him? [01:59] He's darktama, the dude RH is paying to nouveau. [01:59] and who are we _paying_ to do it ? [01:59] the lead developer on the project AFAIK [01:59] * BUGabundo runs [02:00] the silence is deafening on that question [02:01] red hat is slightly richer than canonical [02:01] slightly [02:02] OR [02:02] RH likes to spend more money on the community development then Canonical [02:02] * BUGabundo waits for knifes and bullets [02:04] * nigel_nb throws sharp pointy things at BUGabundo :p [02:04] * BUGabundo dives [02:05] i don't think canonical is even in the black yet [02:05] BUGabundo, I feel that RH is more established and have a bigger chest to spend [02:05] and like bjsnider said, I'm not sure if Cannonical is in black yet [02:05] Also, tend to spend further down the stack more. === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [02:06] I think. [02:06] I have sound but no X [02:07] Anyone know if the hardy-lucid upgrade works in some way, yet? [02:09] arand, in some way for sure [02:10] arand, I can't say how well but there are no quirks added to update-manager so I'm guessing that no one has yet looked at it yet [02:10] arand, you've been using hardy for 2 years for stability, and now you want to upgrade to an alpha distro? [02:12] bjsnider: Yes of course, I just had an epiphany, and want to live a bit ;) (It's a vm snapshotted, where I wanted to try what lucid does to grub-legacy :) [02:12] i see [02:13] For QA it'd be quite convenient to get it working sooner rather than later as well, I guess.. [02:14] I have no idea how does QA process for LTS look like [02:14] especially the part of dist upgrading from old LTS [02:14] perhaps 3 or 4 guys running around a room screaming with their hair on fire? :D [02:17] I see grub2 is still leaving the initrd off of the arch linux entry. sigh. Easy to fix, but I would have thought that'd been taken care of already. [02:18] I wonder if asking about LTS>LTS in #-devel would be prudent.. [02:20] arand some stuff is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserExperienceDesign/Specs/Lucid/UpgradeExperience I don't know how current it is. [02:20] but it was put up 11/9/09. [02:21] That's "Experience" though, just the proposed bells and whistles of it.. [02:23] qa also has a mailing list going for lts > lts upgrades, and launchpad has this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-lucid-lts-upgrades [02:24] * alex_mayorga kisses VESA [02:25] alex_mayorga: Did the modeset=0 end up working? [02:25] RAOF, you missed update-grub to make the change stick, but yeah it helped [02:25] Oh, yeah. [02:25] but I learned something on grub2 ;) [02:26] so no acceleration goodness for me it seems [02:26] and as Sony also refuses to mail me the win7 recovery CDs :( [02:27] that should teach me not to buy laptops when traveling huh? [02:28] now I'm puzzled on the whole EDID thingie, anything I can do about it? [02:28] alex_mayorga: You should be able to get the binary nvidia driver to ignore it and work. [02:28] alex, do you have your win7 license key? [02:29] Viper1432, is on a sticker under the laptop I think [02:29] if you do, then just go to a torrent site you trust (private are better), d/l a base win7 torrent....use your key after burning the iso and then go to sony's site and grab their drivers. [02:30] !topic [02:30] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [02:31] Viper1432, would that benefit ubuntu somehow? [02:31] i have troubles with x again :( [02:31] I really don't care that much for win7 [02:31] alex, you were complaining about losing your win 7 disks. I gave you a solution. If you're trying to test a dual boot situation then you CAN, so yes. [02:32] Viper1432, thanks on the suggestion, let me hit TPB if only to get it on a virtualbox [02:32] np. [02:32] what issues with X drhalan [02:32] ? [02:33] either it sets my screen to a resolution it doesnt support or gdm freezes when i try to login [02:33] im using vesa drivers [02:34] gdm freezes here as well with nvidia drivers. the fix is to ctrl+sysreq+k to restart gdm and it works fine. [02:34] oh there is a key shortcut to restart x? thought that was disabled [02:35] i actually dont use nvidia drivers because i thought they were the reason. [02:35] its not really restarting x....rather just gdm. [02:35] oh okay thanks [02:35] and sysreq is what key? super? [02:35] Viper1432, does a RC help? [02:36] the problem right now is with the .12 kernel + plymouth afaik. sysreq would be the printscreen key. just hold down alt + printscreen+ k. (sorry I mistyped earlier. its "alt" not "ctrl" [02:36] drhalan: is on Print screen key on my lapto FWIW [02:36] okay thanks [02:36] alex_mayorga, brain fart here. "RC"? [02:36] and what aobut nouveau? that package is still broken for me [02:36] Viper1432: release candidate [02:37] drhalan, you need nouveau from xorg-edgers nouveau ppa [02:37] of win7 you mean? I dont' think so...well it would work until march, but there are full win7 isos floating about now. [02:38] kklimonda: and why aren't those packages in main yet? [02:38] I had a a similar problem as you with disks gone bye-bye and needed to test virtualbox in ubuntu with it. So I d/l'd a win7 iso from a private tracker I use and used my own license key. worked perfectly. [02:39] drhalan, because they are still being tested [02:40] okay. whatever nvidia-current is fine :) [02:41] my only problem with lucid left is grub-pc. it doesn't work on my fake-raid [02:41] i always have to use supergrub-disk (which is grub1 afaik) to boot [02:42] ubottu: piracy | Viper1432 [02:42] Viper1432: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o [02:43] rww we were NOT talking about piracy. He HAS A VALID LICENSE KEY. Me pointing him to a resolution without tons of waiting is not illegal. sheesh. [02:44] Viper1432: Downloading Windows 7 ISO files from bittorrent is piracy, regardless of whether you have a valid license key. [02:44] just drop it rww, we took the convo private. [02:44] Viper1432: Good. Next time, don't bring it up in Ubuntu channels at all, please. [02:44] rww: i really doubt that its piracy. you dont buy the cd you buy a license [02:44] rww: and you certainly need to check your facts on licensing/piracy/etc [02:45] drhalan, alex_mayorga: Please, feel free to consult Windows 7's EULA and let me know where it says you have the right to obtain and distribute installation media over bittorrent :) [02:45] Here goes hardy → lucid! [02:45] rww, I'm helping a fellow ubuntu user/tester resolve an issue. If he asked to pirate something, there wouldn't have been a response. [02:45] * arand holds on [02:45] good luck arand [02:45] (in PM, of course, since this is offtopic for this channel.) [02:46] has anyone ever read the windows EULA? [02:46] bjsnider, looks to me like rww has [02:46] lmao bjsnider . I don't think even BG has read it. snickers. back to ubuntu+1 now. [02:46] bjsnider: it's fascinating reading [02:46] one of the reasons I don't use Windows ;P [02:49] if you feel so inclined http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows%207_Home%20Premium_English_f3fcb9dc-3b69-4a18-ae3c-7d7bede82812.pdf :) [02:50] hope sharing the license is not some for of piracy or anything rww [03:11] anyone know what happened to the lyrics plugin for banshee in 1.5.3 ? [03:16] that used to be an extra package i think [03:18] hmm, when I make a window too large, compiz aborts (exceeded maximum texture size). [03:18] hmm, I guess I should file an ubuntu bug: "compiz aborts when window too large". Expected behavior: either let title bar go white, or disallow making the window any bigger. [04:39] Ok, that answers that, grub-legacy still in lucid, when upgrading from hardy. And surprisingly few errors on upgrade, impressive. [04:40] arand: It keeps grub-legacy, rather than upgrading to grub2, I assume? [04:40] Indeed. [04:41] Atm at least. [04:47] Hello, [04:47] Does Tomboy notes work with you? [04:50] Damascene: nope. [04:50] Heh. [04:50] http://tinyurl.com/yhswh37 [04:52] Did any one report this? [04:52] RAOF: I think in general tinyurls ar discouraged... [04:53] Fair enough. [04:53] I've just reported bug #518672, which has a workaround: install liblaunchpad-integration-dev. [04:53] Launchpad bug 518672 in launchpad-integration "Applications crash with DLLNotFound exception" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518672 [04:56] Damascene: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/516210 [04:56] Ubuntu bug 516210 in ubuntuone-client "Can't start Tomboy on Lucid" [Undecided,Invalid] [05:01] what does ubuntuone have to do with Tomboy? [05:03] Damascene: Tomboy has a plugin to sync with Ubuntu One. [05:04] Damascene: The ubuntuone bug was invalidated. [05:06] I see [05:31] when can we expect to see the new artwork? :) [05:32] robert__, I think default gtk theme will not be a new one [05:33] what about for xubuntu? thats the one i use [05:34] robert__, that, I dont know :( [05:34] oh ok thanks anyway [06:10] i want to try gnome shell 2.29.1 is there any ppa. I could not find any [06:11] second hit on google for "gnome-shell ppa" is https://edge.launchpad.net/~vperetokin/+archive/unofficial-gnome-shell :) [06:11] but tha tis only 2.28 [06:12] 2.28 is in main repo i believe [06:12] ricoz does a daily-build PPA. [06:12] and if you click on "Other versions of gnome-shell in untrusted archives" on this page, you see all PPA tha thave it: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell [06:12] Right. That's what I was going to point at next :) [06:13] where is the daily ? [06:13] I have test 2.28.1 now I want to try 2.29.1 [06:34] the latest version of gnome-shell in upstream git is 2.28.1, there is no 2.29.1 to try :D [06:34] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/tree/configure.ac (first line) [07:17] Hauppauge HVR-1600 Remote, will it be working in Lucid? Seems the lirc is same version in both karmic & lucid, so i'm guessing not. Karmic bug reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/454371 Just wondering if anyone happens to know... [07:17] Ubuntu bug 454371 in lirc "Hauppauge HVR-1600 Remote Not Detected" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:03] why btrfsctl without the D option? [10:19] okay... just upgraded to Lucid and now my system hangs when it's supposed to be logging in. just the spinning busy cursor [10:19] with the Ubuntu logo screen as the backdrop this time oddly enough [10:19] I will add that for some reason the filesystem sustained damage during the upgrade, I have reinstalled a bunch of things to get to this point [10:20] anyone? [10:21] many are here. just wait. [10:21] ;] [10:21] and hold Your fingers ;) [10:32] finally managed to figure it out on my own. reinstalling gnome-session-bin appears to have fixed it [10:41] good [10:42] it might only be the beginning though. any OpenArena players on Lucid here by chance? having major brightness issues, everything is way dark [10:43] (I did ask on #openarena as well) [11:08] Does anybody here know how hide a window via commandline, I'm trying to write a script that will calls evolution (w/ evolution tray) to focus, and then hides it back to tray again when the script is called again. I'm trying to use it with the mail button on my keyboard [11:09] I know how to call the window using `wmctrl -a evolution`, it's the hiding part that I'm having trouble with. [11:46] is gnome-do's docky still the best dock app for lucid atm? [12:00] anyone else with a dependecy cycle for ooo ? [12:01] negative [12:02] This system has being going through alphas from 8.04, guess it's not that representative anymore :p [12:21] how do i get to the grub menu? after the bios i hot esc and up key, and nothing happends grub continues to boot linux? whats the best way to get to recovery mode? [12:29] xgj [12:30] xguru, you need to hold shift to get to the grub menu [12:49] I'm missing the sun-java6-plugin package in lucid since a while ... any infos why its not in the repos any longer ? [12:56] sorry if i repeat ... maybe my last message got swallowed cause my nick was not identified yet -> no flooding ;) [12:57] I'm missing the sun-java6-plugin package in lucid since a while ... any infos why its not in the repos any longer ? [13:00] is there any ppa for evolution 2.29.x [13:02] billybigrigger_: thanks for the info :) [13:32] whoa 400mb updates :) [13:57] is there a way to check the current version of a package before you install it? [13:57] skydrome, aptitude show [13:57] iirc [13:58] thats gives all the info [13:58] can something be done to just get the Version? [13:58] apt-cache policy [14:01] aptitude show apache2 | grep Version >> thats what i was looking for [14:01] thanks to both you :_ === ikt is now known as ikt|sleep === ikt|sleep is now known as ikt [14:10] guud afternoon [14:15] BUGabundo, evening :) [14:22] how do i do a safe upgrade? [14:23]