[01:27] <Eiko_> hello
[03:42] <dashua> zniavre, I must have something wrong here.  Fresh install of Lucid on my downstairs Desktop and still the same issue.
[03:44] <dashua> Not fetching it.
[08:53] <thorwil> kwwii: back home?
[09:03] <kwwii>  thorwil yepp
[09:03] <kwwii> erm, still learning to type
[09:03] <kwwii> thorwil: yes, indeed ;)
[09:03] <kwwii> that was much better :P
[09:03] <thorwil> lol
[09:29]  * vish wonders if kwwii is still hung over ;p  [ https://twitter.com/njpatel/statuses/8734074239 ]
[09:46] <psyke83> hi
[10:08] <kwwii> shoot, I missed him
[10:08] <kwwii> vish: nope, much better now ;)
[10:09] <kwwii> lol, nice
[10:09] <kwwii> I slept for almost 9 hours on the plane ;)
[10:10] <kwwii> I was seriously knackered
[10:10] <kwwii> vish: I am already on top of the theme changes. We're reviewing them today
[10:10] <vish> kwwii: well , its pretty obvious you were , since you got a special mention ;)
[10:10] <kwwii> so expect action on this soon
[10:10] <vish> kwwii: i just sent a merge request
[10:11] <kwwii> yeah, I saw that. That's why I mentioned it
[10:11] <vish> ah.. k.
[10:11] <kwwii> psyke83 send me an email on the weekend
[10:11] <kwwii> when I was so hung-over :P
[10:14] <kwwii> vish: did you see psyke83's changes?
[10:14] <kwwii> vish: you might want to look into that too
[10:14] <vish> kwwii: hm.. where?
[10:14] <kwwii> https://code.launchpad.net/~psyke83/human-theme/human-theme
[10:14] <kwwii> and his merge request ;)
[10:14] <kwwii> https://code.launchpad.net/~psyke83/human-theme/human-theme/+merge/18747
[10:15]  * vish tests it
[10:16] <vish> kwwii: the netbook murrine too you are looking into it?
[10:16] <vish> i think that branch is controlled by the UNR team
[10:18] <zniavre> still rgba   = FALSE , sadly
[10:18]  * vish consoles zniavre  :D
[10:18] <zniavre> :o)
[10:18] <kwwii> zniavre: dude, we have a major rgba change in progress
[10:19] <kwwii> but there is currently an X problem which makes totem and one or two other apps crash
[10:19] <kwwii> and that is planned to go into upstream gtk
[10:19] <zniavre> just one or two ?
[10:20] <vish> kwwii: shall i propose a merge for the old human-netbook theme or ... ?
[10:20] <zniavre> did you experienced something strange with webkit apps?
[10:20] <kwwii> vish: hrm, good question
[10:20] <kwwii> vish: one of the things we discussed in portland was that I'll take care of the art bits for UNR
[10:20] <kwwii> vish: give me a day on that one and I'll find out
[10:21] <vish> neat... :)
[10:21] <kwwii> more work ;)
[10:21] <vish> kwwii: less booze ;p
[10:21] <kwwii> LOL
[10:21] <kwwii> no doubt
[10:22] <zniavre> :o)
[10:22] <kwwii> hey, it was the last night of the sprint
[10:22] <zniavre> happy to learn dev are human being
[10:22] <kwwii> I was celebrating with my colleagues
[10:22] <kwwii> when got a *lot* of stuff done last week
[10:24] <kwwii> oh well, time for a break...bbl
[10:25] <darkmatter> rgba is a vile beast that needs to die a slow and horrible death
[10:29] <thorwil> why that, darkmatter?
[10:29] <vish> thorwil: darkmatter likes it "dark" i guess :D
[10:30] <darkmatter> thorwil: you mean besides the fact it's yet another gimmick we don't need? (and yes, it is a gimmick). well, primarily because it increases visual clutter
[10:30] <vish> rgba other than for the metacity is a bit overrated ;)  but not sure what kwwii has got brewing :)
[10:31] <kwwii> darkmatter: oh, I think when you see what we have planned in action you'll think twice about that
[10:31] <vish> argh , pun not intended :s^
[10:31] <kwwii> essentially, it is rgba on a per widget/class basis
[10:31] <darkmatter> vish: window decorations are fine. but this 'zomg! I can see my lunch through my browser!" crap is rediculous
[10:31] <kwwii> which opens up worlds of new ideas which are not crap ;)
[10:32]  * vish envisions kwwii laughing like an evil genius o.0
[10:32] <darkmatter> kwwii: alas, I will always be against rgba because "it's a gimmick that adds visual clutter" :P
[10:33] <darkmatter> the only reason windows even did the aero thing was a matter of branding (aka a gimmick ;o)
[10:35] <kwwii> darkmatter: well, I can understand your position but I hope you (eventually) view what we do with an open mind
[10:37] <darkmatter> I'm very open minded. and I understand what you're trying to do, but alas it goes against the most basic rules of good design *shrug*
[10:37] <kwwii> ;)
[10:43] <kwwii> ooh, sweet: http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/01/google-tablet-photos/
[10:44] <iainfarrell> There's a video too http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/01/chrome-os-tablet-video/
[10:45] <iainfarrell> also, note the way that they sign post the survey for readers
[10:45] <iainfarrell> unobtrusive, I like it :)
[10:45] <darkmatter> dear lord. more useless crap. like the iPod XXXL wasn't bad enough
[10:45] <kwwii> hehe, nice
[10:46] <kwwii> darkmatter: I wonder if I could think of anything to which you would say "hrm, I don't have an opinion on that" :D
[10:46] <kwwii> lol, sorry
[10:47] <kwwii> iainfarrell: erm, they better make screens which clean themsleves. I have very sweaty hands
[10:48] <kwwii> god, that makes me sound like a child molester or something
[10:48] <iainfarrell> :)
[10:48] <iainfarrell> I tend to find with my Android it's not finger prints that are the issue
[10:48] <iainfarrell> it's when you put the device to your face
[10:48] <kwwii> I just bought a N900 and found that to be a problem
[10:48] <iainfarrell> but I still think we're all barking up the wrong tree with touchy stuff
[10:48] <iainfarrell> hungfu.wordpress.com
[10:48] <kwwii> lol, you have sweaty ears then ;)
[10:49] <iainfarrell> see that there blog post
[10:49] <iainfarrell> I think I'd take that over hands ;)
[10:49] <kwwii> lol, right
[10:49] <darkmatter> kwwii: there's plenty I don't have opinions on. unfortunately wasting precious technological resources on crap and more crap doesn't fall into the 'don't have an opinion on' category ;p if I can replace chromeos with a real os instead of 'omg! all my social sites are fullscreen!" and if it actually has a webcam then it may be somewhat useful
[10:50] <kwwii> iainfarrell: yeah, after the minority report it became clear that stuff like that is neat to look at but horrible, really
[10:50] <iainfarrell> has to be bad for the neck all that looking down all the time
[10:50] <kwwii> darkmatter: to be honest, I think chromeOS is still in a very niche market, we'll see how that pans out
[10:51] <kwwii> I had a tablet from apple years ago (and loved it actually)
[10:52] <darkmatter> I like how googles video's always make their cramped little ui's/display devices look big enough for ten people to use simultaneously. <3 false advertising
[10:53] <darkmatter> welp. I need to get the brain working. time to bundle and go for a walk to replenish my oxygen supply
[10:54] <kwwii> sounds like a good idea - kinda missed that break I mentioned :P
[11:23] <psyke83> hey
[11:23] <psyke83> kwwii: are you around?
[11:24] <kwwii> hi psyke83
[11:24] <kwwii> we were talking about you earlier
[11:24] <kwwii> vish updated the themes as well, I pointed him at your stuff
[11:24] <psyke83> ok
[11:24] <kwwii> I'll have a discussion later today with some design team colleagues and get back to you on details
[11:24] <kwwii> psyke83: how's things?
[11:25] <psyke83> I'm doing fine :)
[11:25] <kwwii> good!
[11:25] <psyke83> my laptop died, but I'm back up and running (using an old laptop from a usb drive)
[11:25] <kwwii> I feel like I took a happy pill today
[11:25] <kwwii> ouch, I know the feeling
[11:27] <psyke83> kwwii: there's something else I want to show you, one sec
[11:27] <psyke83> what's a good site to host pics quickly?
[11:27] <kwwii> hrm, I use flickr but that's not what you eman
[11:27] <kwwii> mean
[11:27] <psyke83> ah imageshack
[11:27] <kwwii> use the ubuntu paste thingy
[11:27] <kwwii> yeah, imageshack
[11:27] <thorwil> http://www.foopics.com/
[11:27] <vish> psyke83: imagebin
[11:28] <kwwii> I just put them on my server ;)
[11:28] <psyke83> I updated UbuntuStudio: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8277/ubuntustudio.png
[11:28] <kwwii> oooh
[11:28] <kwwii> w00t w00t (is da sound a da police)
[11:28] <kwwii> not sure about the vertical tabs, but I like the buttons
[11:28] <kwwii> perhaps a bit less contrast would hep
[11:28] <kwwii> help
[11:29] <psyke83> I was thinking that DarkRoom could be updated in a similar way. Here's a quick port (just colours changed, no tweaks yet): http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6731/darkroomtest.png
[11:29] <kwwii> darkRoom definitely needs updating
[11:29] <psyke83> sure, those things can be ironed out
[11:29] <kwwii> I never really intended for darkRoom to go anywhere
[11:29] <vish> hmm , why does psyke83's gtkrc break the theme for me :(
[11:29] <kwwii> vish: you do not have the new engine
[11:29] <psyke83> vish: you need murrine git
[11:29] <kwwii> I will put it in my ppa, once second
[11:29] <vish>  bah..
[11:29] <psyke83> you can probably install lucid's version on karmic too
[11:30] <kwwii> psyke83: indeed
[11:30] <vish> psyke83: i'm on lucid
[11:30] <kwwii> but I'll put it in my ppa just for good measure
[11:30] <kwwii> vish: the new engine for lucid is coming soon
[11:30] <vish> k..
[11:30] <kwwii> vish: let me get you the ppa for lucid, one second
[11:30] <psyke83> vish: the updated package came just a day or so ago, if your mirror is not up to date or you haven't updated, that's the problem
[11:30] <kwwii> vish: https://launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/gnomex
[11:30] <psyke83> kwwii: it's in the main repo, don't worry
[11:31] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, I only told them to put it there on friday ;)
[11:31] <psyke83> prompt service, heh
[11:31] <vish> hmm , ... breaks with gtk2-engines-murrine 0.90.3+git20091211-0ubuntu1 here
[11:32] <psyke83> vish: check for terminal output
[11:32] <vish> psyke83: i'v tried with the twf too , it doesnt give any errors , but it breaks..
[11:33] <vish> let me restart session..
[11:33] <vish> brb
[11:34] <psyke83> kwwii: so will I have a go at updating darkroom properly? And if so, will I put it into a separate branch from Human?
[11:35] <kwwii> psyke83: sounds excellent!
[11:36] <psyke83> ok... what's wrong with the vertical tabs?
[11:37] <psyke83> vish: any luck?
[11:37] <kwwii> psyke83: I think the gradient is way too pronounced on them
[11:37] <vish> nope :(
[11:37] <kwwii> then again, vertical tabs are evil and therefor should look like shit
[11:37] <kwwii> :P
[11:37] <kwwii> sorry for the potty mouth
[11:38] <psyke83> kwwii: I can decrease the highlight_ratio on the tabs alone to make the gradient less noticeable... is the gradient on the rest of the widgets ok?
[11:39] <kwwii> psyke83: it seems a little too pronounced on the buttons, everything else looks nice
[11:39] <psyke83> ok
[11:40] <kwwii> quite a few people still use this theme, you could post and email asking for testing as well
[11:41] <psyke83> yes, maybe...
[11:41] <psyke83> I have an aversion to posting on the ML, Gmail always messes up the formatting on me ;)
[11:42] <psyke83> btw, do you know if Cory will be working on the US art for Lucid, or did he hand it over to someone else?
[11:42] <vish> psyke83: nope , are you subscribed to the ML?
[11:42] <vish> psyke83: he mentioned he would be busy
[11:42] <psyke83> vish: yes, I've posted on it before
[11:43] <psyke83> yes, but he only mentioned Breathe
[11:43] <vish> hmm , i think i busted my human theme :/
[11:43]  * vish reinstalls
[11:43] <kwwii> lol
[11:44] <psyke83> that's weird, heh
[11:50] <psyke83> maybe I inserted a buffer overflow exploit in the gtkrc... muhahah
[11:50] <psyke83> vish, I pulled up two credit card numbers, a mastercard and visa. Which has the biggest overdraft?
[11:51] <vish> psyke83: huh?
[11:51] <psyke83> just kidding ;)
[11:52] <psyke83> did you get it working?
[11:52] <vish> adding manually and checking what breaks
[11:53] <zniavre> FLOZz,  cover thumbnailer is working great on Lucid
[11:54] <zniavre> thank you
[11:54] <kwwii> psyke83: lol, nice
[11:56] <vish> psyke83: weird , when i add the line with your name it breaks o.0
[11:57] <psyke83> vish: are you doing something weird like merging the gtkrc with another version?
[11:57] <psyke83> my name was already in the gtkrc, though
[11:57] <vish> psyke83: just kidding ;)  earlier when i just overwrote with your gtkrc , something seems to have gone wrong , now it works :D
[11:58] <psyke83> ;)
[12:02] <vish> psyke83: hmm , the trough side details are the first thing that sticks out.. why is is convex instead of concave?
[12:03] <vish> s/are/is
[12:03] <vish> { 0.81, 1.02 }  < seems better
[12:04] <psyke83> vish: why does it stick out? The button gradient is lighter on top
[12:04] <psyke83> having the trough details inverted would make it look opposite to the other widgets
[12:04] <psyke83> well, maybe my LCD isn't conveying the necessary details for me to see the problem
[12:04] <psyke83> (it's an old-ish laptop)
[12:04] <vish> psyke83: its weird by being convex
[12:05] <vish> and the progress is convex too..
[12:05] <vish> psyke83: is there an option to change the expander?
[12:06] <darkmatter> and your head is concave... ;p
[12:06] <psyke83> vish: I don't think so
[12:06] <vish> darkmatter: that way its better to fill up stuff ;)
[12:06] <psyke83> I documented all the options I found in the source
[12:08] <psyke83> vish: did you mean that the gradient on the progressbar should also be inverted? I can change the trough, but changing the progressbar would be strange and inconsistent
[12:08] <vish> psyke83: where does cimi document these changes? i'm probably blind even when i look at the changelog :(
[12:08] <psyke83> vish: in the source ;)
[12:08] <psyke83> murrine_draw.h, I think
[12:08] <vish> ha..
[12:09] <psyke83> he actually doesn't document them properly, I think I got the gist of some of them elsewhere, maybe from the arch packaging changelog
[12:09] <vish> psyke83: progress bar doesnt need to change , the trough detail alone
[12:09] <psyke83> ok, I'll commit that change
[12:10] <psyke83> kwwii: should I document changes in debian/changelog as well?
[12:10] <psyke83> (with the UNRELEASED dist tag)
[12:10] <psyke83> I wasn't sure if that was necessary for merge proposals
[12:12] <kwwii> psyke83: you should run dch and bump the version number for all your propsals
[12:12] <kwwii> proposals
[12:12] <kwwii> ie. include a list of all the changes at one time
[12:12] <psyke83> ok
[12:15] <psyke83> kwwii: I'm getting errors when trying to invoke "dch" or "dch -i"
[12:16] <psyke83> http://pastebin.com/m72a5b102
[12:16] <kwwii> wtf
[12:16] <kwwii> ?
[12:16] <kwwii> hrm, give me a second
[12:16] <psyke83> I never edited this file, so it's nothing to do with my changes
[12:17] <kwwii> yeah
[12:17] <kwwii> it seems like it is vish's change which breaks it
[12:17] <kwwii> parsechangelog/debian: warning:     debian/changelog(l6): badly formatted trailer line
[12:17] <vish> huh , what did i do
[12:17] <kwwii> let me see the changelog itself
[12:17] <psyke83> it may be the space after: "Tue ,"
[12:17] <kwwii> yeah
[12:17] <psyke83> or rather, between
[12:18] <psyke83> yeah, it's fine when I remove the space
[12:18]  * kwwii thinks about getting lunch soon
[12:18] <kwwii> ;)
[12:18] <kwwii> man, I am really helpful today :D
[12:23] <darkmatter> lies ;D
[12:33] <psyke83> kwwii: updated with changes documented in debian changelog ;)
[12:33] <kwwii> psyke83: killer, thanks!
[12:34] <kwwii> my inspiration today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH7JBQ5cVRA
[12:39] <psyke83> nice vid
[12:41] <darkmatter> kwwii: actually, I shouldn't say I'm against rgba. I'm against the general consensus of how it should be used (as well as current usages in various os's) rgba as part of native compositing could be useful (by native I mean losing compiz ;)) using it in a 'peek' manner to find a specific window or such I could agree with. it's just the whole 'omg! it's like glass!" junk that is wasteful and sinfully wrong
[12:42] <darkmatter> we should create useful implementations, not magpie bait ;P
[12:48] <psyke83> ok folks, I'm heading out for a while... will be back soon
[12:52] <kwwii> darkmatter: I agree completely with that statement ;)
[13:08] <darkmatter> kwwii: good. because if you disagreed I'd be forced to slap you :P
[13:13] <kwwii> darkmatter: ĥehe, bring it on!
[13:17] <darkmatter> kwwii: I believe in gentleman's warfare. the issue of a challenge is accompanied by a slap on the face with a fine swede glove that has been secretly loaded with lead pellets ;D
[13:18] <darkmatter> it gives me the advantage of approximately 6 weeks preparation time while my opponent recovers in hospital
[13:23] <elky> suede glove, you mean?. I'm not sure turnips or swedish folk are terribly gentlemenly things with which to slap someone, but they'd almost certainly remove the need for the lead pellets.
[13:24] <darkmatter> elky: eat typo and die! ;P
[13:25] <elky> :P
[13:25] <darkmatter> though swedish folk would work too. it's not like they're useful for anything else ;o
[13:27] <darkmatter> I once had a turnip suitable for assault. I should find the pics of it. it was around 18cm in diameter
[13:30] <vish> heh , the sound of "suede" finally brought elky out of the woodwork ;)
[13:31] <elky> Nah, elky avoiding going to bed because that means work comes sooner brought elky out of the woodwork.
[13:36] <elky> Mind you I did commit a faux pas of my own in that i was referring to a rutabaga, but I don't know where uses which term for it and so turnip was simply easier :P
[13:37] <elky> Though wikipedia does inform me that it is known as "yellow swede" sometimes.
[16:28] <dashua> Anyone know a workaround for theming a dark bookmarks toolbar in FF?  I have almost everything else working without a .css file.
[16:29] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/41573/screenshot_005_t3rgBc.png
[16:44] <zniavre> workaround > epiphany ...    :o)
[16:49] <dashua> zniavre, Ha.  Yeah.
[16:50] <dashua> Added ttf-liberation to desktop-recommends.  Sans being replaced?
[16:52] <EvileikO> dem those registering nickname
[16:52] <EvileikO> s
[16:52] <EvileikO> hi all
[16:54] <dashua> zniavre, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/41580/screenshot_o40999.png
[16:54] <dashua> Everything but the bookmarks toolbar is working :)
[16:55] <zniavre> menubar button s quite nice
[16:56] <dashua> Thx.  I'd like to figure this out.
[16:59] <vish> EvileikO: hi..
[16:59] <EvileikO> hello vish
[17:01] <EvileikO> yesterday i was going to order a cd ubuntu 9.10
[17:01] <vish> EvileikO: if you are interested in doing Ubuntu community artwork , check out  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork
[17:01] <EvileikO> and i somehow read about the ubuntu artwork..
[17:01] <EvileikO> so as a graphic designer.. here am i! voila!
[17:01] <EvileikO> :)
[17:02] <vish> EvileikO: we just help the canonical folks with any Ubuntu artwork , the main artwork is done by the canonical design team..
[17:02] <EvileikO> i have to read more about it
[17:02] <EvileikO> good
[17:02] <EvileikO> i am messing with the virtual box
[17:02] <EvileikO> brb got to fix myself illustrator
[17:09] <EvileikO> can u use photoshop and illustrator on ubuntu without virtual machine?
[17:13] <zniavre> if i got 1000€ for a soft im sure i can use a second computer with windows
[17:20] <vish> lmao!
[20:52] <ryanprior> We need a desktop app like this for Ubuntu: http://mugtug.com/sketchpad/
[20:53] <ryanprior> Simple, practical, and beautiful. Everything The GIMP is not.
[21:32] <kwwii> ryanprior: we need a desktop theme/tech like that more than the app itself :P
[21:32] <kwwii> anyways, I am off to bed
[21:32] <kwwii> night all
[21:54] <troy_s> vish: How goes it?
[23:16] <kwwii> w00t. just logged into my server with my N900
[23:17] <kwwii> sleep now.