=== jmarsden_ is now known as jmarsden === robbiew is now known as robbiew_ [07:19] hello [07:51] Good morning [07:51] chrisccoulson_: good morning; I can update gnome-menus if you want me to (I patched it last), but otherwise I'm not particularly attached to it [07:51] chrisccoulson_: however, I need to look into a bug fix, so perhaps I should just do it [07:52] (it breaks menu translations somehow) [07:53] chrisccoulson_: 452208> yeah, seems the ajaxy stuff in LP is just too easy to hit accidentally or so [07:58] good morning [07:59] bonjour didrocks; comment vas-tu? [07:59] pitti: good, a little bit sleepy, but well… and you, did you have a good unschedulded flight back? [08:00] it was okay; I managed to sleep for some 4 hours, which was good [08:00] I survived my middle seat :) [08:00] seems the trick with 16 hour fasting worked again [08:00] got tired and went to bed around 2300, and slept until 8 [08:01] good, and when did you arrive? [08:01] 12:15 yesterday [08:02] ok, not too late so [08:03] I saw a lot of snow in Salt Lake. Fortunately, no impact on flight traffic [08:07] didrocks: same in Chicago [09:04] good morning everyone [09:04] hey chrisccoulson, good morning [09:04] hey pitti, how are you? did you have a good week last week? [09:05] thanks, I enjoyed it a lot indeed [09:05] chrisccoulson: how are you? [09:05] pitti - yeah, i'm ok thanks. i had quite a productive weekend this weekend [09:06] * pitti was just idling in planes and airports [09:06] hey chrisccoulson o/ [09:07] hey didrocks [09:07] how are you? [09:07] very well, thanks ;) and you? [09:08] pitti - did you fix the mess on bug 452208 from the airport? ;) [09:08] Launchpad bug 452208 in devicekit-disks "devkit-disks-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in dbus_g_method_return_error()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/452208 [09:08] chrisccoulson: yes; I keep doing that every other day :/ [09:08] didrocks - yeah, good thanks :) [09:09] pitti - i've no idea whether users are changing things in that bug by accident [09:09] I suppose so [09:14] didrocks: FYI: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100208-1.png :( [09:14] netbook-launcher is sloooow [09:15] (this is a fresh installation of current daily) [09:15] I wonder why all the indicator CPU is back [09:15] pitti: urgh, so much CPU :/ [09:23] waah, it's reading all the desktop files [09:23] wah, wah, gnome-menus!! [09:25] oh, pitti will have a new app to patch so ;) [09:27] would anybody mind sponsoring the gsd update currently in bzr? [09:28] chrisccoulson: will do [09:28] pitti - thanks :) [09:35] didrocks: do you know whether netbook-launcher is in any bzr? [09:35] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/netbook-launcher does not exist [09:35] and there's no Vcs-Bzr: [09:36] so perhaps we should just use lp:ubuntu/netbook-launcher [09:36] pitti: I guess so, let me check [09:37] pitti: there is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/netbook-remix-launcher/netbook-launcher-packaging but it's seems fairly old [09:37] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~netbook-remix-team/netbook-remix-launcher/packaging as well [09:37] so, I'm fine with ubuntu/netbook-launcher [09:39] Are you fixing the build against liblauncher? [09:39] RAOF: it's on my schedule for today as well, yes [09:43] didrocks: oh, then I'll wait for that then; if I can't build it, no use :) [09:43] pitti: sure, shouldn't take long (you'll have to new it as well) [09:44] pitti - i'm just looking at the work items for d-l-s-s. do you want me to do anything on the first 2 items there (relating to gconf, gnome-session and g-s-d)? i think they're pretty much obsolete now with the work you did to speed up gconf, unless you think there is anything else we can gain from that part of the session? [09:45] chrisccoulson: ah, I was actually about to ask you about that, whether you still see any potential there [09:46] pitti - i'm not sure that there is that much left to gain. the only thing that might give us something is starting gconf earlier, but that didn't seem to gain anything before did it? [09:46] chrisccoulson: correct [09:46] * chrisccoulson wonders why [09:46] the "speed up xrandr" is still relevant, right? [09:46] i could investigate why that is the case, as i would expect to gain a little from it [09:46] pitti - yeah, i'll have a look at what we can do in that plugin [09:47] now i've got intel hardware that actually supports this technology, it's much easier :) [09:47] we still have a CPU drop when the session starts [09:47] chrisccoulson: how does your laptop work now? happier without plymouth? [09:47] chrisccoulson: is that ssd or hdd? [09:48] pitti - the laptop has a hdd. i did think about getting a ssd, but i've already spent quite a lot with the monitor and docking station [09:48] chrisccoulson: how does your bootchart look like? [09:48] it works much better without plymouth now, but it still freezes when i close the lid [09:49] i've not looked at the bootchart yet ;) [09:49] chrisccoulson: I sometimes have that lid problem, too [09:49] it does boot fairly fast though [09:49] chrisccoulson: suspend with ctrl+alt+del or power button works fine, though [09:51] pitti - bug 505271 is the issue i get when closing the lid [09:51] Launchpad bug 505271 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[gm45] "*ERROR* Execbuf while wedged" when closing laptop lid with compiz running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505271 [09:51] exactly [09:51] get that, too [09:59] didrocks: you know the dkpg recipe for moving a conffile? (for moving n-l .desktop to xdg-une/) [10:00] pitti: that one: http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgConffileHandling? [10:00] right [10:17] asac: just fiy - bug #518747 [10:17] Launchpad bug 518747 in firefox "dapper->hardy->lucid upgrade file overwrite error" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518747 [10:18] asac: it also appears that NM becomes unhappy during a (gui) upgrade and shows a "networkmanager applet can not find required resources" window [10:18] asac: plus network goes away [10:26] * TheMuso waves quickly before heading to an early night in bed. [10:26] I hope all of you had an uneventful trip. [10:27] TheMuso: yeah, trip was fine. I hope yours too? have a good night [10:27] TheMuso: for me, all was ok, thanks :) you? [10:28] Uneventful also, managed to sleep on the long flight from San Francisco to Sydney. [10:28] sweet :) have a good night! [10:29] asac: sorry that I bug you with this stuff on jetlag day, filed as bug #518760 [10:29] Launchpad bug 518760 in network-manager "stops during karmic->lucid upgrade, shows error message" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518760 [10:33] hey seb128 [10:34] hello chrisccoulson [10:34] seb128 - how are you? [10:35] good I think [10:35] just waking up [10:35] I did 2 nights in one ;-) [10:35] salut seb128 :-) [10:35] heh :) you probably need some coffee [10:35] lut didrocks [10:36] chrisccoulson: indeed [10:40] bonjour seb128 [10:40] hey pitti [10:40] seb128: heh, you should be twice as awake now, then? :-) [10:40] lol [10:40] yeah, I'm good in fact [10:40] I just decided at 9am that I was still tired [10:40] * pitti woke up at 8, not too bad [10:41] and went back to sleep ;-) [10:41] I didn't sleep much in the plane this time [10:41] seb128: how come? turbulence? [10:41] but did a 2pm to 5pm nap and a midnight to 11am night [10:42] pitti, no, I just didn't feel tired and I had a book to finish, I read most of the trip... [10:42] I just managed to finish my Oscar Wilde books ("The Soul of Men" and "An Ideal Husband") [10:42] didn't get to any hacking this time [10:42] pitti, what about you? did the new flights work? [10:43] I slept for 4 hours, and listened to two music albums [10:43] seb128: yeah, they worked okay, just some short delays which didn't break the connections [10:43] Chicago has lots of snow, too :) [10:43] hehe [10:43] I've seen snow images from washington on tv [10:43] quite impressive [10:44] be it actual biology or a placebo, I'm now finally convinced about the fasting trick [10:45] it it works for you -) [10:46] * didrocks stoped to take coffee in the plane. Way way better to find some sleep :-) [10:46] stopped* [10:46] I took coffee on the way in [10:46] I took some wine on the way back... :-) [10:47] that ought to work, too [10:47] Katie Melua sung me into sleep :) [10:47] seb128: you're strange so ;-) It should have make you sleepy [10:47] I did sleep for some 2 hours [10:47] pitti: uninteresting movies work too! [10:47] heh [10:48] which is not a lot for me ;-) [10:48] the United flight just had a very crappy display, like 100x50 pixels [10:48] I just kept it off [10:48] don't complain to me [10:48] even my phone has a better quality.. [10:48] those delta planes have screen in the aisle [10:48] and I was one row before a screen again [10:49] ie couldn't see the one just there and the next one was quite far [10:49] seb128: same for me :/ [11:05] hggdh - did you get a response in #launchpad in the end? [11:07] chrisccoulson: oh, you fixed the overshot ;-) [11:07] seb128 - yeah, i got quite a lot done this weekend :) [11:15] pitti / seb128: hi.. could you take a look at Bug 506642 , [not at the actual bug but more at the comments regarding pitivi and LTS support concerns] not sure you follow pitivi bugs ,so i just thought i'd mention it [11:15] Launchpad bug 506642 in hundredpapercuts ""Razor" , an odd name for the split tool" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506642 [11:15] looking [11:16] we didn't spend real efforts on pitivi no [11:16] and it's not decided it will stay for lucid yet [11:17] yeah , I wanted to let you guys know bout the problems mentioned , there seem to be a few crashers and critical bugs which have yet to be addressed in the Ubuntu version [but fixed upstream] [11:18] right [11:18] we probably don't have spare ressources for it [11:18] yeah.. [11:20] ie if it's not ready we will probably not ship it by default this cycle [11:20] we do have the current gstreamer versions btw [11:20] we have the pre-versions right now and will do the update when new versions are there [11:21] seb128 - i was going to port gpm to use appindicator this weekend, but then i wasn't sure of how to handle the status icon (it uses different icons for indicating charge level / charging etc) [11:21] do you know if that has been discussed? [11:23] use the same icons for it? [11:25] hi there [11:31] seb128 - i got the impression with the libappindicator API that i could only use 2 icons (a normal icon and an attention icon), but it seems i can specify different icons to indicate charge state with app_indicator_set_icon. i didn't see that before ;) [11:32] i will probably work on that tonight then, if nobody else is doing already [11:32] ask ted when he's around maybe [11:32] transmission has been ported to use appindicator as well [11:32] it's even upstream :) [11:32] or davidbarth [11:33] hey davidbarth [11:33] chrisccoulson: 2 people are working on contracting jobs to port applications to the indicator [11:33] chrisccoulson: they started a week ago so we will probably see quite some porting going on [11:34] seb128 - ah, ok. i think i know who one of them is, but i don't know the second person [11:34] Nafa is one I think [11:35] Nafai rather [11:35] yeah, that's the person i thought was [11:39] i'm quite impressed that charles has included the appindicator work for transmission upstream [11:42] why? [11:43] upstream is not responsive usually? [11:43] hrm, why does gdm try to poke the NFS shares, which are krb5 protected and this keeps filling the logs [11:46] bug? [11:46] probably so, but finding out what process does it would be a start :) [11:46] could be gvfs [11:48] I've no clue I use neither nfs nor krb [11:49] seb128: hi [11:50] hey davidbarth [11:50] davidbarth, had a good trip back? [11:50] salut davidbarth [11:50] seb128: doesn't gdm try to load the face image from the user $HOME? [11:50] seb128: yup, and you [11:50] didrocks: salut didrocks [11:50] tjaalton, it has a cache in /var for those I think [11:51] tjaalton, [11:51] "Now the user's dmrc and face image files are stored in /var/cache/gdm, so [11:51] that the login process does not need to access the user's $HOME directory [11:51] before authentication." [11:51] it's from the NEWS file for 2.28.0 [11:51] seb128: ah, so it seems [11:52] well, I'll disable the face browser anyway [11:52] seb128, chrisccoulson: when I press power button or ctrl+alt+delete, I get a dialog for shutdown/suspend/etc; is that gnome-session? [11:52] pitti - yeah [11:52] thanks [11:53] pitti - gpm catches the button press and opens the dialog [11:53] pitti, is that buggy? [11:53] seb128: -ish [11:53] oh? [11:53] whats wrong with it? [11:53] bug 432598 [11:54] Launchpad bug 432598 in gnome-power-manager "Do not show suspend/hiberate related UI if suspend is disabled in polkit" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/432598 [11:54] ah right [11:54] we need to make g-p-m, that dialog, and the indicator respect the policykit settings [11:54] i. e. if you are disallowed suspend/hibernate, it shouldn't offer it [11:55] pitti: same for the session menu [11:55] pitti - is that not indicated by the can-suspend and can-hibernate properties from the dk-power interface? [11:55] pitti, doesn't upower has a "can suspend" interface? [11:55] chrisccoulson: oh, it's reading that then? [11:55] indeed, that seems to be broken [11:56] pitti - yeah [11:56] sweet [11:56] pitti - i have a feeling it can't work though due to a dbus-glib limitation [11:56] but that wouldn't work [11:56] that's global [11:56] ie, you can't intercept reads on properties of objects exposed over dbus [11:56] and we need to check it per-user [11:57] chrisccoulson: why would I need to do that? [11:58] pitti - to check if the caller is privileged enough to perform the action [11:58] chrisccoulson: in theory the check could just go into dkp_client_can_suspend()? [11:58] I can't check it on the server side anyway (per-user) [11:59] chrisccoulson: seems there is already some dxteam work for gpm indicator, so maybe better to let that one to those guys or check with ted when he's there later... [12:02] pitti - how come it can't be checked server-side? do you not just check the priviliges for the current caller on that interface? (similar to how the CanStop method works with consolekit) [12:02] seb128 - thanks. i'll leave that one for now then [12:02] chrisccoulson: hm, true that; anwyay, what did you mean with "intercept reads on properties of objects exposed over dbus"? [12:04] pitti - with consolekit, CanStop is a method on the org.Consolekit.Manager interface.Bbut with Dk-power, you're reading properties of that object exposed on the bus, rather than calling a method [12:04] i don't know if you'll be able to determine who the sender is there [12:05] chrisccoulson: depends; dkp_client_can_suspend() is a real function in dkp-client.h [12:05] i. e. it depends on whether gnome-session and friends use the function or read the property directly [12:11] pitti - gnome-session reads the property directly [12:12] ah, indeed, if I fix it server-side, the indicator works [12:15] mvo: i am not really here today ;) [12:20] didrocks, bug #518626 where should it be assigned? [12:20] Launchpad bug 518626 in gconf-editor "This Key Is Not Writable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518626 [12:21] seb128: this one should be fixed from this morning, but add a bug task to ubuntu-netbook-default-settings [12:21] didrocks, I don't add a task but reassign, thanks [12:21] seb128: thanks [12:23] asac, didrocks: netbook-launcher-efl, should that be built against liblauncher 0.1 or 0.3? In other words, should I keep liblauncher in main, or demote it? (just accepted liblauncher-0.1 into main) [12:24] pitti: netbook-launcher builds only with liblauncher 0.1. I tested it last Friday [12:24] -efl, too? [12:24] oh, efl [12:25] it's the name for the 2D one, right? [12:25] right [12:25] well, it deps on -0.1 so far, so I expect it'll have the same problem [12:25] * pitti demotes [12:26] asac: you'll have to change the b-dep to liblauncher-0.1-dev [12:27] ok [12:27] will forward it [12:27] * asac not here really [12:27] asac: made it back in one piece? [12:28] luckily i am still in one piece [12:28] but kinda in pain ;) [12:28] didnt survive yesterday so i have to fight jetlag today [12:29] funny was that i met marcel holtmann in the plane ;) [12:29] from seattle [12:29] he was so nice to take me in the limosine on frankfurt airport :) ... so no busses for me this time, which helped a bit :) [12:32] heh, sweet [12:33] the driver said they are now building a new international arrival thing for terminal A ... so we will get rid of that terminal B crazyness at some point [12:47] seb128: Feb 8 14:39:49 nexus6 gdm-simple-greeter[4737]: DEBUG(+): adding monitor for '/u/00/tjaalton/unix/.face' [12:47] fail :) [12:48] I'm not logged in, nor in the cached files [12:50] so I don't know how gdm knows the uid [13:00] pitti, did you drop those g-s-d g-s gconf work items on purpose in the boot speed spec today? [13:06] chrisccoulson: yes, I got a response: please ask a question on answers.lp.net [13:06] hggdh - ah, ok [13:08] seb128: filed bug 518810 [13:09] Launchpad bug 518810 in gdm "gdm monitors for $HOME/.face even when IncludeAll is false" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518810 [13:09] bah [13:09] tjaalton, thanks [13:09] tjaalton, I doubt anybody will look at it there but let's see [13:09] I can forward it upstream, though looking at the bug count I'm not holding my breath [13:10] might need to hack around it locally [13:10] it would already be better than having it opened dowstream only where nobody has a such setup or will look at it [13:10] yeah [13:14] done [13:15] thanks [13:30] heh, another gsd update [13:31] seb128 - want me to take this? [13:31] chrisccoulson: you are welcome to do so, thanks ;-) [13:31] cool, will do :) [13:31] you can also do the g-c-c one if you want ;-) [13:31] * seb128 still catching up on emails etc [13:31] yeah, i can do that one too [13:33] Good morning everyone [13:34] good morning Nafai [13:35] Have a good weekend? [13:36] yes thank you. i managed to do more things than usual on saturday, and got quite a bit done [13:36] how are you? [13:37] Not bad, hoping to make a lot of progress this week [13:55] seb128: yes, quickly discussed with chrisccoulson; we tested them some time ago, and they don't improve things [13:56] pitti - are you referring to those 2 work items? [13:56] chrisccoulson: seb128 | pitti, did you drop those g-s-d g-s gconf work items on purpose in the boot speed spec today? [13:56] (sorry, i went away for lunch) [13:56] chrisccoulson: yes [14:15] seb128, pushed a new version of xchat-indicator lp:~ubuntu-desktop/xchat-indicator/ubuntu [14:15] seb128, can you sponsor? [14:17] kenvandine: Does that work for xchat-gnome? [14:17] kenvandine: I hope to have patches for 2 programs for you to review today :) [14:17] Nafai: yup! [14:17] Nafai: awesome! [14:18] Nafai: it creates xchat-indicator and xchat-gnome-indicator [14:18] kenvandine: sweet, I'll have to give it a try when its up [14:20] Nafai: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/+archive/xchat-gnome [14:20] it's in my ppa [14:21] but if you are up 2 date in lucid, wait for 0.3.2 to build [14:23] yeah, I'm up to date, so I'll wait [14:26] didrocks: liblauncher-0.1 NEWed [14:27] thanks! [14:27] * didrocks hugs pitti [14:42] hi [14:43] No oper over here? strange! [14:43] kenvandine, ok [14:43] just spent half an hour on the phone with dell [14:43] they repair my mini for free [14:43] sed128 what dell do u have? [14:44] seb128* [14:44] but they want 35€ to let me keep the disk [14:44] wth? [14:44] pc_magas, doesn't start [14:44] seb128, great [14:44] hehe [14:44] seb128: 35€ for keeping the disk? the return expense is on their side? [14:44] yes [14:44] What model seb128 do u have? [14:44] it's under waranty [14:44] pc_magas, a mini10v [14:44] The same as me [14:44] didrocks, it's all free if I send the box [14:45] if I send the box without the hdd it's 35€ [14:45] Oh thank good i realy need some help with poulsbo [14:45] or if you don't want the disk formatted [14:45] seb128, so i guess that means you get to keep the extra disk? [14:45] ie standard repair lead to disk format [14:45] oh... so not sending you a new one [14:45] no [14:45] seb128: not surprising… [14:45] that's what they ask me to destroy the disk content [14:45] which I don't care about [14:46] but I've stuff on the disk I don't to send there [14:46] +want [14:46] wipe it yourself i guess [14:46] Can;t u format by yourself its cheaper [14:46] I've to find a box with ssd but yeah [14:47] seb128: bad, we should have thought about taking your disk, put on martin's one to reformat it :/ [14:47] tedg, have you had a chance to looking into the dbusmenu/indicator problem? [14:47] seb128: you could temporarily put it into your normal laptop, and wipe it from a live sysstem? [14:47] the dupes? [14:47] pitti, I'm not sure if my laptop can talk ssd? [14:47] pitti: ssd adapter? [14:47] kenvandine: ? [14:47] hey tedg [14:47] isn't it just a normal sata either way? [14:47] seb128: I don't think it's any different on a connector level [14:47] kenvandine: BTW, Would you be up for a indicator-application release today? :) [14:47] tedg, remember like evolution-indicator doesn't get removed when evo shutsdown [14:47] sure [14:47] kenvandine, tedg: seems there is quite some empathy crashes since update [14:47] tedg, that happens with everything [14:48] seb128: it's either SATA or the old ATAPI [14:48] seb128, i think those are all fixed [14:48] in my upload yesterday [14:48] kenvandine, I assigned you a bug could you look and close if needed? [14:48] all from the libindicate change [14:48] kenvandine, thanks [14:48] pitti, ah, good [14:48] pitti, I will try that now [14:48] seb128, i commented earlier [14:48] kenvandine: Hmm, I haven't seen that. I'll look. [14:48] pitti, the dell guy made me get the disk out and the wifi card out [14:49] tedg, lifeless and i both showed you on friday :) [14:49] tedg, server_hide doesn't hide :) [14:49] tedg, so when an app shutsdown, it never gets removed [14:49] then starting it again adds a new entry [14:50] kenvandine: Hmm. Okay. I still don't remember you showing that to me... :-/ Must have been the coffee. [14:50] hehe [14:51] tedg, ok... and in some cases it duplicates everything in the menu, which is what lifeless saw [14:51] i think restarting something like indicator-messages-service [14:51] kenvandine: Oh, that was in the me menu. [14:51] doesn't lead to crashes, but it is ugly and confusing [14:51] no... it was messaging menu [14:52] lifeless' was in the Me Menu. [14:52] are you sure? [14:52] Yes [14:52] i think his menu's are in the wrong order :) [14:52] well i have seen it in the messaging menu too [14:52] Because I'm pretty sure I blamed dbarth for it ;) [14:52] oh right you did :) [14:52] ok... well i saw the same thing in messaging menu :) [14:52] It must be an issue in dbusmenu then. [14:53] so we can pass the buck back to you [14:53] i spent a bunch of time trying to figure out why empathy and xchat couldn't remove that... then decided it was your bug [14:53] :) [14:54] it's always ted's fault anyway [14:54] ;-) [14:55] seb128, i figured out the my problems getting pitivi to render my video on friday is actually a problem in recordmydesktop [14:55] it creates bad ogv files :/ [14:55] * didrocks blames ted too for rhythmbox icon not showing up, and so, have to launch it in a terminal too :) [14:55] totem can play them... and pitivi can preview them [14:55] but they can't be re-encoded [14:55]