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micahghow can someone add a bugwatch to a duplicate bug?00:31
maxbHrm... is the branch scanner broken?00:31
micahgI seem to have trouble deleting bugwatches on edge00:36
micahgsame on production00:36
micahgbac: I'm getting a problem connecting to LP page00:39
spmmaxb: possibly. we're chasing atm. it seems to be working, but we're showing massive delays.00:44
rockstarmaxb, can you show me an example branch?00:51
rockstarEr, an example of the scanner being broken.00:53
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maxbrockstar: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~maxb/launchpad/use-hashlib has been pushed for some time now01:02
spmbleh nothing in the branch sccaner log matching that01:03
maxbjust a massive backlog, then?01:03
rockstarmaxb, actually, that looks like the mirror-puller might have issues.  spm and I are chasing now.01:04
spmmaxb: looks like an unnamed individual has managed to hog the mirror-puller; stuff was still happening; but sufficiently slowly - it impacts on everyone else01:19
maxb*blink*01:27
maxbJust how many branches do you have to push to do that !01:27
mwhudsonit's usually mirrored branches that screw things up01:28
doctormoUsing a branch object, why is the url attribute always empty? I'm trying to find the url that bzr uses for it's branches but I don't think lp is able to provide it.01:40
maxbdoctormo: um, more context please?01:41
james_wdoctormo: the url is probably misnamed, it doesn't provide that information01:42
doctormojames_w: Thanks01:42
james_wdoctormo: you can manipulate self_link to get a url for the branch01:43
doctormoMy branch listing process is so slow, loading in owners, urls and other data. Although I think checking the owner team members is killed it.01:43
maxbjames_w: UDD question... having determined that an import failure is likely because an upstream-FOO tag is in the wrong branch.... is there any good way to test that out locally?01:43
james_wmaxb: you can grab the import-scripts branch and do ./import_package.py <package name>01:44
james_wpass --no-push to not push01:44
james_w--no-existing to start from the beginning without re-using the branches on LP01:45
maxbah, yes, but I want it to try importing using a local copy of the LP branches which I've moved a tag around in01:45
james_wthat's probably fairly easy to do with a bit of code01:46
maxbok, I'll have a hack01:46
james_wsee the BranchStore class in icommon.py01:46
james_wif that is the cause it is probably because of a missing merge of the tags01:46
james_wbzr doesn't merge the tags when you merge branches, so you have to do it as an explicit step01:47
maxbThe case I'm looking at, the upstream-x.y.z tag is in the ubuntu branch not the debian branch, where the upstream was independently imported into both01:47
DBOanyone else having issues pushing code?02:23
DBOoh there we go02:25
persiaDid something change in the AJAX subscription UI recently?  I just ended up on a non-ajax subscribe self and/or teams page ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-video-displaylink/+subscribe )03:21
persiaI had thought those had all been removed (and have one invalid and one wontfix bug related to them under the assumption they have gone)03:21
wgrantpersia: I occasionally get there by clicking on the link too quickly.03:22
wgrant(before the JavaScript has turned the non-AJAX link into an AJAXy one)03:22
wgrantThe old forms are still there, so things still work if JS is turned off.03:23
persiaThat may have been what I did.  Are the old pages still there to support non-ajax browsers?03:23
wgrantRight.03:23
persiaAha!  Now I think the state of my bugs is wrong.03:23
persiaIt's still possible to get to the exceedingly annoying page where one can't do the obvious subscribing oneself while unsubscribing a team (or vice-versa).03:23
persiaSo the page is still buggy, although the related bug has been declared irrelevant because of the AJAX UI.03:24
* persia decides it doesn't matter enough, but would prefer a consistent interface03:24
mbtHi, I have made a new release of my project (AllTray) that is a minor bugfix release out of the maintenance branch. However, it seems that it doesn't want to show up on the front page for downloads. I don't want it at the top, ahead of my trunk releases, but I want it after the 0.70 release from historic, and it won't seem to go.04:50
mbtAm I doing something wrong here?  https://edge.launchpad.net/alltray/+download04:51
mwhudsonmbt: what's your new release called?04:53
mbt0.71, from the old-maintenance branch.04:53
mwhudsonah04:53
mwhudsonmaybe it's because the series is different?04:53
mbtI would like to push the historic releases "down"; as it is, the release that I just made won't even show up on the first page of downloads04:53
mbtI expect trunk to show up first, and it does---but then I expect historic to be last since it's obsolete and old-maintenance is the current 'stable', so I'd expect that to display after trunk04:54
mwhudsonmbt: the series are sorted as if the names are version numbers04:56
mbtoh... so i have to rename the series to change the sort order?04:57
wgrantThat's how series are intended to be used, but that doesn't seem to be conveyed very well.04:57
mwhudsonlooks like it04:57
mbteww.04:57
mwhudsoni had to read the code to figure this out, i certainly didn't know it off the top of my head04:57
mbtthat'll break existing branches, though, if I do that, won't it.04:58
mbtor at least, their references.04:58
mwhudsonmbt: it will change the lp:alltray/old-maintenance names04:59
mbtWell, wait a minute... trunk, historic-releases, old-maintenance... in that order, so I guess it's sorted by development focus first, then alphabetically?04:59
mwhudsonbut they don't tend to get stored by things04:59
mbtI should probably file a bug to ask to sort "obsolete" series last.05:00
mwhudsonmbt: yes05:00
mwhudsonmbt: that sounds like a very good idea05:00
mbtWhat's the code hosting component called again?05:00
mwhudsonlaunchpad-code05:01
mwhudsonbut!05:01
mwhudsonthis bug should be filed against launchpad-registry probably05:01
mbtOh.05:01
mbtI can do that. :)05:01
mwhudsonthanks05:01
* mwhudson runs away to make dinner05:01
mbtOh.05:03
mbtBug 490945.05:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 490945 in launchpad-registry "obsolete series takes precedence over stable" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49094505:03
nigel_nbspm, is Lp's gnome bug tracker broken?08:11
thekornnigel_nb, what do you mean by launchpa's gnome bugtracker? the auto sync of upstream bug status?08:18
nigel_nbyep08:18
thekornI think it is disabled, there was an annoucement somewhere08:19
nigel_nbthekorn, oh! any specific reason?08:20
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thekornnigel_nb, don't know, cannot remember correctly, plus I'm unable to find it right now08:21
nigel_nbthekorn, np.  thanks for letting me know :)08:21
om26erwhy bug emails come late as compared to answers ?08:41
wgrantom26er: They are batched, so each separate change doesn't come in its own email.08:41
wgrantChanges made by the same person within a few minutes will all come in the one email.08:42
om26erwgrant, hmm, thanks08:42
solsTiCehi. i found strange that i am able to modify the orignal post for a bug whereas i am not the orignal poster. ironically, i am not able to modify my own last post, but change theb ug report ! there is a bug in the bugtracker ;-)09:44
nigel_nbsolsTiCe, you can change any bug report, though you cannot change the comments to a bug09:59
wgrantThe bug description may be changed at any time.10:01
wgrantComments may not.10:01
FloSoft`hi, one question: why does sometimes it happen that the status is not tracked in the targeted release? like in https://bugs.launchpad.net/s25rttr/+bug/51840410:31
ubottuUbuntu bug 518404 in s25rttr/s25client "Road can be constructed over water" [Undecided,Won't fix]10:31
wgrantFloSoft`: If the development series task is set to "Won't Fix", the main task becomes active again.10:31
FloSoft`how to change that?10:32
FloSoft`so its tracked again in the release?10:32
wgrantChange it to something other than Won't Fix.10:32
FloSoft`ah okay ;-)10:33
FloSoft`is it so one can "fix it" in another release?10:33
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Lambaanyone here good with bzr ? - i just lost my net connection during a push and it's all gone a bit sideways. - on a new push bzr is saying its unable to obtain a lock and suggests to use "break-lock" but bzr then gives "error unsupported protocol for url" when i try that.11:08
MethsLamba: There's more activity in #bzr than here at the moment, may want to ask there.11:11
Lambakk11:11
james_wOOPS-1501EA20711:29
ubottuhttps://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1501EA20711:29
Lambafixed. for future reference, break-lock lp:~username  works. break-lock sftp  or break-lock bzr+ssh dont, although they give no obvious error.11:31
wgrantLamba: They should work fine. What do they do?11:31
Lambanothing :P - just drop back to prompt.11:33
wgrantWhich URLs did you try?11:33
Lambasftp:lp//~username/project/trunk11:34
wgrantAh. That's not a valid URL.11:34
Lambayea. no error though.11:34
wgrantlp:~user/project/branch aliases to bzr+ssh://username@bazaar.launchpad.net/~user/project/branch11:34
Lambaah. ok. thanks :D11:35
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gerard_there seems to be some problems with importing lp:warzone2100 from svn15:59
gerard_we're at r9751 but it's stuck at r689716:00
gerard_or... let me check, sec16:00
gerard_heh, nvm16:01
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gerard_that's just bzr and svn having different revision numbers16:01
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kirklandI can't reach this page: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ecryptfs-devel/+mailinglist-moderate16:26
kirklandI suspect because there are thousands of spam messages awaiting approval16:26
kirklandhelp?16:26
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bigjoolshey kirkland16:30
kirklandbigjools: yo16:30
bigjoolsI enjoyed your NZ blog :)16:30
kirklandbigjools: thanks!16:30
bigjoolsand somewhat jealous - I spent a lot of time trekking around there16:30
kirklandbigjools: evidently my LP presentation was "too enthusiastic" though16:30
kirklandbigjools: heh16:31
kirklandbigjools: so that mailing list receives dozens of spams per day16:31
bigjoolsI'll find someone to help with your problem16:31
kirklandbigjools: so many that i just quit moderating16:31
bigjoolsok16:31
kirklandbigjools: and basically i only go to the page when someone complains that their message doesn't get through16:31
kirklandbigjools: is there any spam filtering that is, or can be done on the LP side?16:31
kirklandbigjools: otherwise, i just need to get in there and clean out months of spam messages16:32
bigjoolsI have no idea!16:32
bigjoolsbut I know a man who does16:32
kirklandbigjools: cool, thanks16:32
bigjoolsmaybe barry does, even though he's not on LP at the moment?16:32
bachi16:33
kirklandbigjools: or, if a mailing can be configured such that only members of the team can post16:33
* bac reads backwards16:33
kirklandhi bac16:34
bigjoolsheh, didn't see bac in my list of users since he's at the top as an op16:34
kirklandbac: let me know what you need from me16:34
bachi dustin16:34
backirkland: AIUI mailing lists in LP don't have a lot of configurability16:34
backirkland: what team are you referring to?16:35
kirklandbac: yeah, no offense, but they're really pretty bad16:35
kirklandbac: ecryptfs-devel16:35
backirkland: i'll pass that sentiment on to barry!  :)16:35
kirklandhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~ecryptfs-devel/+mailinglist-moderate16:35
kirklandbac: ;-)16:35
kirklandbac: make sure you include the "no offense" part :-)16:35
bigjoolshaha16:36
persiaWasn't there a bug about getting CLI mailman access to the LP mailing lists?16:36
persiaThat might help sort things more quickly.16:36
backirkland: i think we're going to have to wait until barry can provide some answers.16:38
kirklandbac: okey16:38
barrybac, kirkland wassup?16:41
bacbarry: dustin has a LP-based mailing list with only 4 members that is getting spammed to death16:42
bacbarry: is there a way to configure 'only post by members'?16:42
barryyeah, but the problem is that mailing lists is not the right place to be doing spam detection.  we really need spamassassin in the mta.  i think there's an open rt about that16:43
barrybac: no, however non-lp users cannot email any mailing list, so if you've identified lp users who are spamming, we need to disable their accounts16:44
kirklandbarry: spamassasin would be great16:44
kirklandbarry: in the short term, i can't access the moderation page16:44
barrypersia: yes, there is an open bug about api access to mlists.  will probaby happen after lucid16:44
barrykirkland: because it's timing out?16:44
kirklandbarry: i suspect because there's too many messages in queue16:44
kirklandbarry: yeah16:44
barrylovely16:45
barrythe only thing i can think of for "right now" is to get some losa love to clear them out.  not a fun thought for them though :/16:46
kirklandbarry: okay, well, they will get lots of love back from the hot russians ladies messaging that list16:47
barrykirkland: there's always a silver lining! :)16:47
kirklandbarry: so there's 2-3 messages of the hundreds that i'm trying to allow through16:48
barrykirkland: do you know which those are? message-ids?16:48
kirklandhmm16:48
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barrykirkland: if you don't that's okay.  it would make the clear out a little simpler i think16:51
kirkland20100209095431.GC16039@sage.bj.intel.com16:51
kirklandbarry: i'd like to white-list that user16:51
kirklandbarry: and i'm looking for the 1 other16:51
barrykirkland: once that message is approved, they automatically get whitelisted16:51
barrykirkland: please send me an email with the message-ids of the messages you want to allow and i will try to get some losa time to figure out how to clear your queue17:02
kirklandbarry: i can't find them; just clear out everything17:02
kirklandbarry: and i'll hope for spamassassin in the future17:02
kirklandbarry: and i'll apologize profusely to the legit users who's messages have been blocked17:03
barrykirkland: cool17:03
kirklandbarry: thanks for your help17:03
barrykirkland: this is for the ~ecryptfs-devel mailing list, right?17:04
kirklandbarry: yessir17:09
kirklandbarry: though ~ecryptfs-users is equally fscked17:09
barrykirkland: what is it about crypto that brings out the spammers and crazies? :)17:11
mtayloris there no way to get at blueprints via launchpad lib?17:46
maxbmtaylor: AFAIK, the answer is if it's not on https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc, it's not possible17:46
maxbI can quite believe that no one got around to exposing blueprints APIs17:47
mtaylormaxb: lovely... there is an object in that api called specification, but the docs for it refer to bugs17:47
mtaylormaxb: even though there is a bug object17:47
mtaylormaxb: I'm gonna go with "no one got around to exposing it"17:48
persiamaxb: I thought the answer was "If it's not in +apidoc, patches to expose it would be welcome"?17:49
maxbs/not possible/not possible yet/ :-)17:50
micahgI seem to be having trouble deleting bug watches19:14
micahgit seems that only admins can delete watches with comments imported19:28
YokoZarMaybe I'm a complete nit, but has the upstream bug linking been completely moved somewhere?  I can't figure out how to link an upstream bug on edge atm20:02
micahgYokoZar: also affects project20:03
YokoZarI click Also Affects Project -> see no place to enter URL for upstream bug (this is where I used to do it).  I click "Also Affects Distribution" and if I paste the link in the url box there I'm told that Ubuntu uses launchpad.20:03
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micahgYokoZar: you need to select the project20:04
YokoZarmicahg: Why?  Launchpad used to figure that automatically from the bug url.  It's also not helpful that Wine is on the 4th page of the search results for "Wine"20:05
micahgYokoZar: no, it only works if the upstream is set, is this for wine in Ubuntu?20:05
YokoZarYeah20:07
micahgYokoZar: wine or wine1.2?20:08
YokoZarmicahg: ah hah, that's the issue, I hadn't set the upstream project for wine1.2 yet I think20:09
micahgYokoZar: yep, it's not set20:09
YokoZarnow how to actually do that...20:09
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micahgYokoZar: I'll take care of it, but it's done on the package page by clicking the set upstream link20:10
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* lamont has a question on archive publishing...21:13
lamontlets say I had something like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20090513 and a pile of disk..  does launchpad have the ability to give me an apt repo with the contents of that packaged up pretty, ala archive.u.c?21:14
lamontwgrant: around?21:14
wgrantwgrant: I am.21:14
wgrantlamont: You cannot publish that archive without code changes.21:14
wgrantSmall changes, but changes all the same.21:14
lamontwgrant: know now that I have a big pile of disk and a fat pipe to the librarian that want to do just that.  sometime this month.21:15
lamontwell, with a copy of lucid, but still.....21:15
lamontI'd even settle for a chunk of launchpad-lib abusing code to rip URLs to fetch debs and src files from to craft such an archive21:15
wgrantThat disk might well have to be on cocoplum. Let me check.21:16
lamontmcmurdo, but whatever.21:16
wgrantI mean, there may be Soyuz limitations that restrict it to being published to cocoplum.21:16
lamontah, well.  surviviable21:17
lamontalbeit with much grumbling21:17
wgrantAlthough I may be wrong.21:18
lamont(as in, "I'LL FILE BUGS, dammit....")21:18
* wgrant is hunting.21:18
lamontew.  that whole thing is "binary packages awaiting publication"21:19
wgrantYes.21:19
wgrantThe key bit is whether process-accepted is running over that yet.21:19
wgrantIt's not.21:20
wgrantSo you could publish it just about anywhere.21:20
lamont\o/21:20
wgrantAssuming you can convince Soyuz to schedule it...21:20
lamontare the steps to do that documented somewhere I can see?21:20
wgrantIt involves hacking some code to allow publishing COPY archives, and mangling DB permissions, so no.21:21
lamontfor this round, I'd accept an SQL query that gave me a dump of what URLs to grab from the librarian and what to call them in the archive...  I'm not picky21:22
lamontthough  doing it with lplib would be far preferable21:22
lamontto sql, that is21:22
wgrantYou can do it through launchpadlib.21:22
wgrantBut it would make Launchpad cry, I think.21:23
lamontcry how? load, or because it got left out of the loop?21:23
wgrantYou should really talk to Soyuz and see how quickly they can get this done...21:23
mwhudsonload21:23
wgrantLoad.21:23
lamontthe goal is to temporarily publish that, not permanently...21:23
wgrantYou'd be making tens of thousands of expensive calls.21:23
lamont15000 :-D21:23
lamontthat's only 1.5 tens of thousands.21:24
wgrant*2 due to the two archs?21:24
lamontoh meh21:24
lamont*621:24
lamonthow ugly an sql query would it be?21:24
wgrantIt was only a two-arch rebuild.21:24
lamontah, well that's nice of us21:25
lamontin the future fantasy land, I expect ports will want to play along, too21:25
wgrantNobody really want to DoS the distro builders for months.21:25
lamontyeah - before ports got to play, I'd have to finish up the "let's use the livecd buildd as a buildd when it's not building livecds" thing21:25
lamont50% more buildds for ia64/ppc/sparc could do nothing but help21:26
wgrantPlus ideally restrict the rebuild to a subset of the available builders.21:26
lamontwgrant: it's not enough that it scores below universe?21:26
wgrantlamont: Not if you get three long-running builds on the builders at once.21:27
lamontright21:27
lamontwell, restricted pools should be there soon, we just need to have it htb-ized21:28
lamonta dedicated subset of buildds for the rebuild-test, and all of the buildds for the main archive.21:28
wgrantSo, the SQL to get what you want isn't terribly difficult.21:28
wgrantBut you might as well just get archivepublisher hacked up to do what you want. It's not that difficult, and would surely make things a little less messy.21:29
wgrantThe need isn't going to go away, so it might as well be fixed properly now.21:29
lamontwho is the right person for me to lean on?21:30
wgrantbigjools21:30
lamontcool21:31
lamontbrb21:31
noctiphileWas it ever determined why after upgrading to 9.10 so many lost their wireless connections?21:35
Ursinhanoctiphile: hmm, I guess you should ask in #ubuntu instead21:35
Ursinhanoctiphile: this is a Launchpad related stuff channel21:35
noctiphileI'm about to post the problem in Launchpad if there isn't a quick answer to the question.21:36
wgrantTry asking in #ubuntu.21:37
Ursinhanoctiphile: that's ok, considering Ubuntu bug tracker is in Launchpad :)21:37
wgrantLaunchpad has nothing to do with your wireless!21:37
Ursinhanoctiphile: but still, you'll hardly have your answer here just because this isn't an Ubuntu channel :)21:38
lamontlaunchpad doesn't get to use wireless21:41
wgrantYou know, I really hate custom uploads.21:42
wgrantThey make everything so much harder.21:42
persiacustom uploads?21:43
wgrantBinary uploads that contain stuff like debian-installer or translations tarballs.21:44
wgrantThey way they are implemented is a little inconvenient, as they are only published to disk once, at accept time.21:45
jcastrokfogel: ping21:53
jcastrothumper: ping21:54
thumperjcastro: hi21:54
jcastrohi!21:55
jcastroseg|ars is writing an article about launchpad for ars technica21:55
thumperjcastro: yes...21:55
jcastroand I need to link him up with you folks, as his deadline got assigned to tonight, he doesn't have time for a full interview, so an insightful quote of somekind would be useful.21:55
thumperjcastro: quote about what?21:56
jcastrobasically an insight on which aspects of lp you think are the most compelling enablers of collaboration21:56
thumperhmm...21:57
thumperwhen is his deadline?21:57
thumperjcastro: as in, how many hours?21:57
jcastroseg|ars: ^^^21:57
seg|arsthumper: what aspect of LP do you think has had the biggest impact on the way that users collaborate on software development?21:57
seg|arsI've got until about 10pm21:57
thumperseg|ars: well, 10pm for me is another 11 hours away, how long do you have?21:58
seg|arsI have about 8 hours21:58
thumperok21:58
thumperseg|ars: my thoughts come much more from a code hosting point of view, whereas if you asked kfogel he may have others too21:59
seg|arsthat's cool21:59
jcastrothumper: yeah I was hoping to snag as many of you from different parts as possible21:59
thumperseg|ars: I think that the way that launchpad can be project focused rather than just person focused helps a lot as it is easy to see branches from other contributors22:00
thumperseg|ars: bzr integrates really nicely with launchpad, and allows anyone to commit to their own branch22:00
thumperseg|ars: and still have it related to a project22:00
thumperseg|ars: the way we have code reviews integrated suggest to developers that they should think about it22:00
thumperseg|ars: people can propose their branches for merging easily, and the right people get notified22:01
thumperseg|ars: conversations can then ensue around the proposed changes with a view to getting contributions into mainline22:01
thumperseg|ars: I have to head out for a bit, but will be around later to address more comments22:03
seg|arsthanks, I appreciate your comments22:03
thumperseg|ars: ping23:51
seg|arshey23:53
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