[00:08] is there some count in user's profile on LP related to patches that made it into ubuntu or upstream? like in karma [00:09] No. [00:14] The instructions given in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/453579/comments/200, "dd if= of=/dev// bs=512MB " are potentially dangerous since it suggests outputting to the device node in /dev itself rather than a file on that filesystem. Is it an over reaction to post a comment prominently warning against following these directions? [00:14] Launchpad bug 453579 in linux (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "in-place corruption of large files *without fsck or reboot* reported with linux 2.6.31-14.46 on ext4 (affects: 22) (dups: 1)" [Critical,Triaged] [00:15] Jordan_U: imho, users are likelly to make mistakes following instructions, and user-data-loss is horrible always [00:15] that wouldn't even work, would it? [00:15] ali12341, In most cases it would just result in a syntax or permissions error [00:16] file not found, i would have thought? [00:16] hmm since when /dev/partition/filename will work? [00:16] ali12341, Depends on what they write. /dev/sda1/filename would be file not found, and /dev/sda1 /filename would give unknown option "/filename" [00:17] That's why I am wondering if a prominent warning is appropriate or not [00:18] it looks like a typo to me, they didn't mean to write /dev/ at all [00:19] ali12341, I have no doubt that the author didn't mean that, but it is what people will read and try to follow [00:19] i'd say it is appropriate then [00:22] Does "**WARNING** Do not run the dd command in the above comment **WARNING**" and an explanation seem reasonable? [00:23] Or is there anyone that could just fix the original comment? [00:24] bug #519083 - svn security. I would like to fix it and with your help push it to ubuntu quickly :) [00:24] LimCore: Bug 519083 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/519083 is private [00:24] Comments may not be edited. [00:24] The only way to edit comments is with SQL, and that facility is not used lightly. [00:24] now public [00:24] huh, rhett trappmann has touched this bug too... crazy [00:25] Has he still just the two accounts? [00:25] well, he has one less now i think [00:26] Both are suspended. [00:26] what is his account name on LP? [00:26] r12056 [00:27] And 12056-wikianswers [00:27] yes. So far [00:28] no page with such address https://bugs.launchpad.net/~r12056 by suspended you ment deleted + with all trace removed? [00:28] Suspended accounts are not visible in the web UI. [00:29] (You can tell that an account is suspended because it says 'Page gone' rather than 'Page not found'.) [00:31] I really wish he would pop in here so we could talk with him [00:31] That would be pleasant. [00:32] ok guys, actually it's me :o [00:32] LimCore: right now, if you say this, you will be gone in a jiff [00:32] hehe no Im joking [00:33] all of mine bug reports make sense, and nothing like missing keyboard ;) [00:33] most of my report are very helpfull I hope [00:39] what did he do, created nonsense reports? [00:45] went on assigning bugs to random people/teams, nominating everything, etc [00:47] you could develop some anti-spam tools, or update existing [00:47] if something then perhaps I can help review some ideas [00:47] there was a nonsense report I think, but the nonsense bug-elevation-team was more entertaining [00:48] perhaps allow given actions only after some time and creating a few bug reports (that where not deleted right after) [00:48] not really. Doing something like that would mean closing LP more. I would rather have it open and deal with the problems we find -- which are rare, BTW [00:48] bug-elevation-team ? [00:48] also [00:49] hggdh: there is _1_ thing that new-LP-users want to do (quickly) - report/comment a bug. All else doesnt have to be super-open. [00:49] LimCore: he created a team and invited just about every team he could find into it (including the admins etc.) and set 'Ubuntu Bugs' as the owner [00:49] woot [00:51] don't you have option to send a PM to user or something, and ask him to contact you as you said; or just email? [00:55] Ok, I am about to post this to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/453579 if it looks OK : http://pastebin.com/m666af34e [00:55] Launchpad bug 453579 in linux (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "in-place corruption of large files *without fsck or reboot* reported with linux 2.6.31-14.46 on ext4 (affects: 22) (dups: 1)" [Critical,Triaged] [00:56] interesting. I cannot start firefox anymore [00:58] hggdh: which version? [00:58] 3.6 [00:58] ooohhhh xul-ext-firegpg is the culprit [00:59] I have it again. micahg want me to open a bug on it? [01:00] * micahg thinks there is a bug [01:00] k. This was with the brand-new, just-put-available firegpg [01:02] hggdh: yeah, 0.7.9 should support 3.6 [01:02] 64 bit? [01:02] oh dear god [01:02] what it is with firefox plugins and failures on 64bit [01:02] it's not year 2005 [01:02] LimCore: upstream doesn't always support it [01:02] firebug, bugzilla and now you say also firegpg [01:03] also there still aren't any official 64 bit builds of FF [01:03] but soon [01:03] micahg: yes, 64, and 0.7.10 [01:03] s/bugzilla/enigmail [01:07] hggdh: no idea [01:08] kde ssl information should allow to copy-past the text. what package to report against? [01:08] hggdh: makes sense, no xulrunner 1.9.2 [01:08] hggdh: please file a bug and subcribe me [01:10] darn. micahg I cannot, I am using ffox from the mozillateam ppa [01:10] ubuntu-bug spits it away [01:10] oh [01:11] I *can* got straight into LP... [01:14] hggdh: no, file against firegpg, not firefox [01:16] ok [01:16] hggdh: it needs to be rebuilt once xul192 is uploaded [01:17] which needs to happen this week [01:17] along with TB3 [01:17] * micahg will be back later [01:37] anyone uses apt-cacher? I want to confirm bug 516500. [01:37] Launchpad bug 516500 in apt-cacher (Ubuntu) "apt-cacher sometimes dissallows to download given packages untill cache is fixed. Failed to fetch (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516500 [02:23] heh, is wubi really officially supported? /me is looking at bug 477104 [02:23] Launchpad bug 477104 in grub2 (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "After 9.10 grub update can not boot into Wubi install (affects: 125) (dups: 9)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477104 [02:23] kklimonda, yep. It is. Its on every ubuntu cd I believe [02:29] sorry for the bug spam; I have about 200 more PA bugsto close tonight [02:29] already closed ~100 [02:29] (all resolved in Lucid) [02:37] crimsun, that is a *lot* of bugs :) [02:37] hats off to you buddy :) [02:41] can "Bug Squad" now see private bugs? [02:42] nigel_nb, I don't think so [02:42] kklimonda, well, I seem to be able to [02:42] kklimonda, are you on bug squad? [02:43] yes - but I'm also a member of bug control so I won't be able to confirm it [02:43] lemme hunt for someone who's not on bug squad [02:45] nigel_nb, kklimonda: You cannot magically see private bugs. [02:45] Private bugs are visible to their subscribers. [02:45] If you're not in the subscriber list or ~admins, you cannot see the bug. [02:45] true [02:45] well, I'm not sure if I'm a subscriber either [02:46] bug-control gets to some via crash-bug-triagers [02:46] wait ubuntu-bugs is subscribed, I think I'm in there [02:47] ah, figured it out [02:47] I'm subscribed to ubuntu desktop bugs.... [02:47] I think ubuntu-bugs work work via bug-control, not bug-squad [02:47] hggdh: Right. [02:48] hggdh, yes. ubuntu-bugs is via bug control [02:48] (otherwise Rhett would have stil had privileges over the team) [02:48] yeah [02:48] hggdh, but desktop bugs is open and subsrcribed here [02:48] nigel_nb: Which bug? [02:49] wgrant, bug 518806 [02:49] nigel_nb: Bug 518806 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/518806 is private [02:49] it is kinda funny. the guy attached a pdf [02:49] and later realized its illegal [02:49] and made it private [02:50] Ah, so, making a bug private will automatically subscribe any implicit subscribers (those under 'Also notified') [02:50] (this is not the case for a bug that starts private) [02:50] wgrant, another bug in malone? [02:52] wgrant: I think what happened was the bug started public -- so "also notified [02:53] got subscribed. After that, they were already there [02:53] hggdh: That's right. [02:53] nigel_nb: Not a bug. [02:53] it is supposed to work that way? [02:53] yes [02:53] Perhaps not exactly desirable in all circumstances, but there is no really good solution. [02:54] They've already been notified about the bug, so there's no extra disclosure. [02:54] And if it didn't work like that, bugs would vanish from all but the reporter if they were quickly made private. [02:54] ah :) [02:57] so, we live with it. [02:57] I'll remove the attachment from this guy ;) [02:57] nigel_nb: about desktop-bugs... this is not really a problem. Keep in mind you do *not* need to belong to any team to work with bugs [02:58] hggdh, I thought I'd get mails about every bug [02:58] apparently, it doesn't work thta way [02:59] hggdh, I was going to remove myself. I *thought* it might be something like gnome bugs. Now I have to subscribe to packages I understand [03:00] yes, you do. Otherwise we would be completely submerged in email [03:00] hggdh, I got filters set and ready ;) [03:01] nigel_nb: I am talking about 10k bugs per month (low-balling it), and *all* comments and changes [03:01] hggdh, oh .... OH [03:01] just subscribe to the ubuntu-bugs ML... you will understand what I am talking about in 1 week, tops [03:01] oh no thanks [03:01] * kklimonda was subscribed to desktop bugs for a while [03:01] only brian can deal with that thing [03:02] I very much doubt he does it :-) [03:02] And even then, only with support from automation [03:02] hggdh, he did in the past [03:02] yes. And a *lot* of disk space [03:03] and a well configured mutt ;) [03:03] kklimonda: in the past we did not have 10k bugs per month. I was subscribed to the ML for a while, then [03:04] * wgrant was subscribed back in 2006. [03:04] It was managable. [03:05] hggdh, removed the offending pdf and I'm marking it confirmed and public [03:05] yes [03:05] Note that the PDF is still accessible. [03:05] nigel_nb: thank you. I *could* have removed it, but I was not sure I should [03:05] And will be for several days. [03:06] but there is nothing we can do... until we get to have private attachments [03:06] hggdh, reflects poorly on us if an illegal copy of a book is around for everyone to download [03:06] I agree [03:10] hggdh, bah, ran into trouble now [03:10] hggdh, that bug isn't confirmable on other pdfs [03:11] nigel_nb: the OP will find another PDF, or create a video, or whatever [03:11] good idea [03:13] hggdh, trouble is... I set to confirmed :( [03:15] nigel_nb: just put it back to Incomplete, and explain why [03:15] no problems [03:16] * nigel_nb feels stupid [03:16] heh [03:17] hggdh, um, what should I be doing to get into bug squad? been some time. It me only yday. [03:17] err... bug control [03:18] and I have been monitoring you ;-) [03:18] have not seen any new upstream to b.g.o [03:18] haven't seen any upsteamable bugs either :( [03:18] yup [03:18] nigel_nb: you are almost there [03:19] I would just like a bit longer, for you to feel more confortable [03:19] BUT [03:19] your time is coming [03:20] :) [03:20] I'll try to score 200 bugs ;) [03:20] i'm at 110 now I tink [03:20] hggdh, what is the likelihood that pedro has been watching my progress through emails? idk if you'll know or not, but i can get in contact with him lately [03:21] you mean you cannot, right [03:21] right [03:21] i guess he's traveling for work [03:22] ddecator: might be. But the rest of us are here -- and watching you like eagles [03:22] yes, he was in pdx last week and travelled back home over the weekend [03:22] well, in my case, an eagle with glasses [03:22] ddecator, there was dev sprint last week in portland (I think) [03:22] right, i'm just wondering when my time comes to consider bugcontrol, who would be the main one i should talk to? haha [03:23] ddecator: Pedro would be it [03:23] alright, thanks hggdh [03:23] but we can provide him with feedback also [03:23] ddecator, most of the time its micahg who helps me out (time difference)... doesn't really matter [03:24] any thing you say here has logs... its kinda easy to grep [03:24] nigel_nb, yah micahg helps me out a lot too since we're in the same loco, and he wants to train me for ff bugs [03:24] nigel_nb, that's true... [03:25] ah :) [03:25] bug 518840 is a feature right? [03:25] Launchpad bug 518840 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "not returning to the previous song (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518840 [03:25] I mean.. it not really a bug.... [03:25] i was just looking at that, haha [03:25] standard feature in all players [03:25] i'm gonna check the changelogs [03:26] nigel_nb, he said it didn't happen before, so i'm checking the changelogs to see if they marked a change in that feature [03:26] :) [03:27] hggdh, a little bit of your evolution foo :) bug 519079 [03:27] Launchpad bug 519079 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution STOPPED syncing with GMAIL (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519079 [03:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HotkeyResearch [03:30] I tried all this didn't work for me [03:30] Damascene, didn't you log a bug for it? [03:30] as I told to do for this bug: [03:31] I did but I asked to do something else to help [03:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/518007 [03:31] Launchpad bug 518007 in udev (Ubuntu) "Asus Eee Function Keys (Hotkeys) are not working with Lucid 10.04 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] [03:33] Damascene, no reponse with any of the methods [03:33] ? [03:34] nigel_nb: seems to be a bug... [03:34] hggdh, worthy of upstream? [03:35] make the bug private, and then ask the OP to run Evo in debug mode from the console. See http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/bugs.shtml [03:35] no respond [03:35] I'm attaching a file right now with the method 2 results [03:36] the OP should run 'env CAMEL_DEBUG=all evolution > evo.log 2>&1', and then upload the evo.log [03:37] but make the bug private -- there will be private data being logged [03:37] hggdh, okay :) [03:37] and I am gone. G'night all [03:37] cya hggdh [03:38] LP just died on me [03:39] ok its back.. [03:39] bcurtiswx, just show it some love ;) [03:39] lol [03:40] nigel_nb, I've updated the bug report. may some one trigger it now? [03:42] ddecator, you checked chagelog in gnome or ubuntu? [03:43] nigel_nb, whatever set of docs came from debian, i only know of one place where the changelogs are stored [03:43] ddecator, actually there are git comment messages [03:44] bah.. commit messages [03:44] if you go to git.gnome.org, it will let you browse, painstaking but possible ;) [03:45] the changelog i checked was the "changelog.Debian.gz," but i'll check that site, thanks [03:52] is it possible to search multiple files for a string it includes? [03:53] nigel_nb, i still couldn't find anything, but i don't see it as a bug [03:54] bcurtiswx, in your file system? [03:54] yup [03:55] hm.. lemme chekc my bash history [03:55] I tried it out last week [03:55] bcurtiswx, grep -H -r “redeem reward” /home/tom [03:56] bcurtiswx, that prints the file names with match [04:28] nigel_nb, does apport-collect get crash reports? [04:29] ddecator, apport automatically gets triggered during crash [04:29] ddecator: in lucid I think you can attach one to an existing bug [04:30] micahg, so apport launches automatically for firefox crashes in lucid? is that because it's still in development? [04:30] ddecator: yes, it's off by default in stable releases, but you can enable it if you want [04:31] ddecator: you can also use ubuntu-bug /path/to/crash_file [04:31] micahg nigel_nb, ah, i didn't know it got enabled in development releases. good to know [04:31] :) [04:31] micahg, didn't you patch apport once? [04:32] micahg: yes [04:32] ... [04:32] i'm guessing the self reference was an accident? haha [04:32] oops [04:32] * micahg talks to himself sometimes... [04:33] nigel_nb: yes [04:33] micahg, LOl [04:33] wait, i'm confused [04:33] micahg, I knew you were the apport expert [04:33] nigel_nb: I'm no expert [04:33] pitti and bdmurray are [04:33] it's good to know that apport is automatically on for firefox crashes in development releases, but nigel_nb that bug is on karmic [04:33] well..enough to patch it [04:34] nigel_nb: nah, it was patched in Lucid, I just backported the fix [04:34] micahg, ah :) [04:34] ddecator, bug number? [04:34] ddecator: ubuntu-bug /path/to/crash [04:34] bug 518913 [04:34] Launchpad bug 518913 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox crashes constantly (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518913 [04:34] ddecator: problem with ff crashes is you can't report them with ff :) [04:35] micahg, i copied a comment you told me to use in a crash for ff before [04:35] ddecator: yes, but if it won't stay open like this bug, it won't work [04:35] * ddecator is confused [04:36] nigel_nb: also, you might not want that help -> report a problem thing on every bug as this user did with yelp [04:36] ddecator: apport uses firefox, if firefox won't stay open for more than 5 seconds, you can't report with apport [04:37] micahg, but does apport-collect get crash info for ff if it's not on by default? [04:37] micahg, I wanted him to do that firefox [04:37] *in* firefox [04:37] ddecator: apport-collect doesn't add crash info in < lucid [04:38] nigel_nb: I think you meant about firefox [04:38] micahg, so since this is karmic...is there any way to get the crash info? [04:38] yeah [04:38] nigel_nb: I think what you did was fine [04:38] nigel_nb: no I was wrong [04:38] you did mean for him to do that in FF [04:38] nigel_nb: but that's hard with this type of bug [04:38] I'm made the mistake myself many times [04:38] micahg, now its totally confusing [04:39] apport-collect? [04:39] yah i'm completely lost... [04:39] nigel_nb: the 3rd paragraph of your post [04:39] report a bug [04:40] micahg, I need to "read" the gm script.. second time I'm messing up [04:40] my gm script doesn't have that... [04:40] nigel_nb: did you edit yours? [04:41] micahg, so i'm a little confused on this...enabling apport for a firefox crash will create a crash file, but then use firefox to upload to lp right after it just crashed? [04:41] micahg, nopes. Its direct from the xml [04:41] ddecator: if it's a rare crash in firefox, it's fine and normal, if it's the firefox crash where the browser won't stay open for > 5 seconds, it's impossible [04:42] micahg, i see...just seems weird to me that apport uses firefox to upload a firefox crash report haha, i thought it uploaded automatically on it's own without a browser [04:43] nigel_nb: are you using the deb apckage? [04:43] micahg, yeah [04:43] ddecator: it uploads w/out it, the problem is submitting the bug with the crash info [04:44] * micahg doesn't have an .xml file [04:44] micahg, the xml file is in bdmurray's people.ubuntu.com website [04:44] nigel_nb: BTW, that's the wrong firefox for Karmic [04:45] micahg, so the report is uploaded, but it needs firefox to actually submit the bug? [04:45] * nigel_nb seems to be making only mistakes today [04:45] ddecator: for the user to register the bug (subject, description) [04:45] nigel_nb: dont' worry :) [04:45] micahg, ah, i guess that makes more sense [04:45] micahg, 3.5 ? [04:45] soon all will be firefox [04:45] yeah, I moved it... [04:46] nigel_nb, it's nothing big nigel, i just wanted to know what the right method was for future reference =) [04:46] nigel_nb: the hooks are in the firefox-3.5 package [04:46] micahg, ah [04:48] * micahg is happy launchpad code is back :) [04:48] ? [04:48] bzr branch checkout was down earlier [04:49] haha, yah i have no idea what that is... [04:49] code branches stored in launchpafd [04:49] good enough for me [04:49] * micahg needs to prepare next versions of firefox... [04:49] micahg, logger head? [04:50] or the host itself? [04:50] nigel_nb: I think that's the gui [04:50] oh, the backend was down too? [04:50] yday loggerhead was down [04:51] nigel_nb: yes, I guess that's yesterday for you :) [04:51] * nigel_nb is lazy to type yesterday [04:52] especially after a night of typing (my work involves plenty of typing anyway) [04:52] * ddecator is getting tired and lost track on whether he hit his 5-a-day mark for today... [04:53] ddecator, check mail ;) [04:53] easiest way [04:53] well i guess that depends, i'm assuming it's just doing -any- work on five different bugs? [04:54] well, any real work... [04:54] if so, then yah i hit it easy, haha [04:55] * ddecator is debating whether or not to get up early again tomorrow, or just wait for pedro to email him back [04:56] * nigel_nb votes waiting or using memoserv [04:56] memoserv? [04:57] /msg memoserv help [04:57] o_O [04:57] irc ceases to amaze me [04:57] hehe [04:57] lets see... [04:58] so i'm guessing i use "send "? [04:59] well.. /msg memoserv send help ;) [04:59] touche [05:00] hi guys. i think i found a bug in ubuntu gnome and i could use sme help trying to fix it [05:00] hehe [05:01] giantpune, Hi, could you describe your problem. We can help you file a bug report [05:01] i right-clicked the bluetooth icon in the upper right and selected to remove it from the panel. after that, the upper and lower "taskbar" panels just keep refreshing [05:01] they disappear and come back every 3 seconds [05:02] giantpune, which version of ubuntu are you running? [05:02] 9.10 x64 [05:03] giantpune, odd. I dont seem to have a "remove from panel for bluetooth" [05:03] micahg, are you on karmic amd64? [05:03] nigel_nb: yes [05:03] there is also one for the envelope icon which isup there beside it [05:04] micahg, do you see a "remove from panel" for bluetooth? I dont, but I'm on i386.. giantpune seems to have issues with it [05:04] nigel_nb: I don't have bluetooth and I'm running xubuntu [05:04] micahg, aah [05:05] giantpune, could describe in more detail what you mean by refreshing? [05:05] for some reason there were 2 bluetooth icons. so i tried that to remove 1 of them and thats when it all went screwey [05:05] that does sound like an existing bug, but I dont remember the number [05:06] the panels show up like they do when the pc first starts. then they vanish. then they come back and then they vanish [05:06] woot, it sent [05:06] anyway, what about a 64-bit bug? [05:06] ddecator, can you check your gnome panel to see if you can right click and say remove from panel? [05:07] nigel_nb, what am i trying to remove? [05:07] i eventually got it to let me logout and i logged in with "gnome-failsafe" and it seems to be working fine now. but i would like to fix the non fail-safe part [05:07] ddecator, erm, sorry.. bluetooth [05:07] i don't have it installed right now, but one sec... [05:07] er...activated, haha [05:08] giantpune, go to your home folder, press ctrl H to view all folders and rename the .gconf folder. [05:08] you can't remove it, but there is a "show bluetooth icon" option in preferences [05:08] giantpune, log out and login. See if everything is normal. if not log a bug [05:08] ddecator, ah, I thought so. [05:08] ddecator, seems like an existing bug.. [05:09] nigel_nb, wait, what's the bug? [05:09] ddecator, phantom icons [05:09] ddecator, 2 icon shows up. when you try removing one, it messes everything up [05:10] * ddecator has two accessibility icons on his panel [05:10] bug 439448 [05:10] Launchpad bug 439448 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "notification area shows wrong icons. erratic behaviour (affects: 25) (dups: 2)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/439448 [05:10] * ddecator removed the icon, and now xchat was removed as well? [05:10] ddecator, you shouldnt have removed [05:10] it causes a mess when you remove [05:10] nigel_nb, -shrug- i can always reset the panel [05:11] heh ;) [05:11] i've had to do it before, haha [05:11] but yah, it's legit [05:11] ah, thats where the confidence comes from :p [05:11] so what is the proper way to reset this panel? [05:11] nigel_nb, confidence? haha [05:11] giantpune, let me check how i did it before... [05:12] giantpune, rename .gconf and logout. Login back and should be okay. but there is an upstream bug about it [05:12] there you go [05:12] ok. let me see what this does [05:12]