| image_q | hello, I have one computer that I want to use as a router using iptables, once I set up the filters to accept information (from port 80 for example) how do I send it to server computer (which is connected through a network swtich)? | 00:24 |
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| image_q | hello, I have one computer that I want to use as a router using iptables, once I set up the filters to accept information (from port 80 for example) how do I send it to server computer (which is connected through a network swtich)? | 01:20 |
| twb | A *router* just sends packets to where they ask to go | 01:20 |
| image_q | ok, so how do I do that with iptables? | 01:21 |
| image_q | and where exactly would I send it to? | 01:21 |
| twb | That behaviour is orthogonal to iptables | 01:21 |
| Roxyhart0 | Hi, i have a question. to connect windows client with linux samba member server, do i need to use winbind? | 01:22 |
| image_q | ok, so how would I do it? and where would I send it to? The ipaddress on the server computer is 192.168.1.136, so how would I send it there? | 01:23 |
| sabgenton | I am trying to set up cups most howtos tell me to setup a samba share so windows can auto detect it etc | 01:26 |
| sabgenton | but can I just set a port on LPR like you do with print serving routers? | 01:26 |
| Roxyhart0 | hi sabgenton, so you did it before. did you use winbind in you configuration? | 01:26 |
| twb | Argh, I thought this was #netfilter, where I'm allowed to be an ass. | 01:26 |
| twb | I wondered what was up with all the samba questions. | 01:27 |
| sabgenton | Roxyhart0: no I am a total noob | 01:27 |
| sabgenton | to cups | 01:27 |
| Roxyhart0 | are u using ldap? | 01:27 |
| sabgenton | I connected a windows machine to a print server over a port using LPR | 01:28 |
| sabgenton | wanted to do something like that with cups | 01:28 |
| sabgenton | if posable | 01:28 |
| sabgenton | do I have to use samba with cups | 01:30 |
| twb | image_q: I guess you are using masquerading ("NAT") to share a single public IP between a number of hosts. If this is the case, you need a DNAT rule to redirect connections to your masqueraded server. | 01:30 |
| sabgenton | to connect a windows machine | 01:30 |
| Roxyhart0 | or use iptables and forward the packages | 01:31 |
| sabgenton | routers don't seem to use SMB for there print server things | 01:32 |
| image_q | Roxyhart0: where would I forward them to, like how do I access another computer through the network switch? | 01:32 |
| sabgenton | thats all | 01:32 |
| Roxyhart0 | i am doing that and i did time ago but now is not working and dont know why...i got problems with winbind-idmap | 01:32 |
| image_q | twb: looking it upnow | 01:32 |
| Roxyhart0 | yes, i my case my server work as router, so any IP form the NAT is forwarding to the LAN | 01:33 |
| image_q | I keep reading up documentation on turning a computer into a router but I can't find documentation on using your computer for a router via network swtich | 02:04 |
| image_q | all the documentation assumes you use a separate network card for every computer you want in your network | 02:04 |
| image_q | is there a way to use your computer as a router via network switch? | 02:04 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #519119 in autofs (main) "Transitional packages need some reworking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519119 | 02:26 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #297121 in irqbalance (main) "irqbalance causes ksoftirqd to use 100% CPU" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297121 | 03:21 |
| Roxyhart0 | hi do you know a command to chekk how the logs are changing on real time? i mean to do debug from a application? | 03:49 |
| KurtKraut | Roxyhart0, tail -f /var/log/filename | 03:50 |
| Roxyhart0 | thanks :) | 03:50 |
| spenser | Hello, I'm looking for some guidence in reference to doing pam auth using authnz_external and pwauth. Does anyone have a good reference because I cannot get it to work. | 04:14 |
| spenser | I just continuously get prompted for my password over and over again | 04:14 |
| spenser | \join #apache | 04:22 |
| maxagaz | hi | 05:03 |
| maxagaz | how to restart a ppp connection ? | 05:03 |
| twb | poff, pon? | 05:07 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #519155 in libvirt (main) "package libvirt-bin 0.7.5-5ubuntu7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519155 | 05:36 |
| lwizardl | hi | 05:52 |
| lwizardl | is there an easy to follow setup and configure guide for a true webserver configure (apache, mysql, php, dns, email server, ftp server, etc) I officially hate the howtoforge guide for ubuntu server never seems to work once I'm finished following their guide | 05:55 |
| ball | You have an odd definition of "true webserver" | 05:55 |
| lwizardl | ok i guess what i wanted to say would be a fully working webserver. all I can seem to get to work is internal networking and accessing the sites via the 192.x ips but if i use the real domains it fails | 06:00 |
| lwizardl | never hate this kind of issue when i was using gentoo | 06:00 |
| ball | lwizardl: Are you behind a router? | 06:01 |
| lwizardl | yes | 06:01 |
| ball | lwizardl: did you forward appropriate ports to your Linux host? | 06:02 |
| lwizardl | and i had forwarded all the ports listed such as 80, 8080, 22, 25, etc | 06:02 |
| ball | lwizardl: Why are you running DNS btw? | 06:02 |
| lwizardl | just was following that howtoforge guide and figured it was needed | 06:03 |
| ball | I've never seen that. Following a guide without a good understanding of what you're doing sounds dubious though. | 06:04 |
| ball | Have you verified that your domain points to your network? | 06:05 |
| lwizardl | yeah i even tried to use zonedit for the domain and then point to the network ip from the isp | 06:05 |
| * ball blinks | 06:06 | |
| lwizardl | err sorry name server | 06:07 |
| ball | Can you ssh in from outside? | 06:08 |
| ball | (using your fqdn?) | 06:09 |
| lwizardl | no | 06:09 |
| ball | Does your router log the connection attempt? | 06:09 |
| lwizardl | in when i go to domain.tld it brings up the router login page | 06:09 |
| ball | lwizardl: try from outside your LAN | 06:10 |
| lwizardl | only time i can do that will be in the morning | 06:10 |
| lwizardl | so i need to reconfigure the server tonight and then test again in the morning | 06:11 |
| ball | Sounds inefficient. | 06:11 |
| lwizardl | yeah but this is not going to be some huge hosting company type server | 06:11 |
| lwizardl | its just my home page so I don't have access to other things like vpn accounts etc | 06:12 |
| lwizardl | or access to something other then my home network at all times | 06:12 |
| ball | lwizardl: In that case your "true Web server" set up definitely sounds like overkill. | 06:12 |
| ball | lwizardl: Do you at least have a static IP address? | 06:12 |
| lwizardl | yes my isp gives me a static ip | 06:13 |
| ball | That helps then. | 06:13 |
| lwizardl | kinda would be dumb to use a dynamic always changing ip | 06:13 |
| ball | lwizardl: Why are you running a mail server on it? | 06:14 |
| lwizardl | right now i am doing the base install on the server using the install cd and set it to install openssh server, lamp, | 06:15 |
| lwizardl | umm maybe so people can email me ? | 06:15 |
| ball | lwizardl: That's odd. | 06:15 |
| ball | lwizardl: what you're URL? | 06:17 |
| ball | s/you're/your/ | 06:17 |
| * ball is tired | 06:17 | |
| lwizardl | thats not something i am willing to share while i'm trying to configure the server | 06:18 |
| * ball shrugs | 06:18 | |
| ball | I can't tell you whether it loads in my browser then. | 06:18 |
| ball | If I were you I'd have a friend from outside run nmap against your fqdn and IP | 06:19 |
| lwizardl | I have already said that I'm am doing the install again and its still installing | 06:19 |
| ball | ...separately, then compare results. | 06:19 |
| lwizardl | so I 100% doubt anyone would hit it right now | 06:19 |
| ball | Something to consider once you get your new OS installed. | 06:19 |
| ball | ...also think about each of those components (MTA, DNS etc.) and whether you actually *need* to run them. | 06:22 |
| ball | I have to go. | 06:22 |
| lwizardl | k thanks | 06:22 |
| captbaritone | Trying to preserver 355 days of uptime! Ssh is timing out and when I plugged in a monitor and keyboard I get "Login timed out after 60 seconds." Is there any hope for me? | 07:20 |
| captbaritone | *crying* | 07:21 |
| pts | captbaritone: you could try to unplug the network cable in case it is network related. I would guess your box is having a very high load for some reason | 07:22 |
| captbaritone | Excellent idea | 07:22 |
| captbaritone | I fear I may have been linked to by some high traffic site (All the more reason to try to get back up as soon as possible) | 07:23 |
| captbaritone | perhaps it's time to sacrifice uptime, and just restart | 07:23 |
| captbaritone | but I'm SO CLOSE to a year! | 07:23 |
| twb | captbaritone: if you are fapping over uptimes, then no, there's no hope for you | 07:23 |
| pts | I guess so. High stability is better than high uptime ;) | 07:23 |
| captbaritone | twb: It just seems so cruel. | 07:24 |
| captbaritone | Here goes... restarting... | 07:24 |
| captbaritone | :( | 07:24 |
| * twb pats PFY on head. | 07:24 | |
| twb | You will... acclimatize to cruelty | 07:25 |
| captbaritone | sigh | 07:27 |
| captbaritone | fdisk failed | 07:28 |
| captbaritone | sigh again | 07:28 |
| twb | You should probably be using parted or cfdisk unless you're being clever | 07:31 |
| Roxyhart08 | i need to install an domain member server to as file server to be accesed by windows machine. Someone have any good documentation? | 07:35 |
| twb | Roxyhart08: what documentation have you already tried? | 07:50 |
| Roxyhart08 | i tryed this one:http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/unixclients.html#ch9-sdmsdc but i got this message uid_to_sid: winbind failed to find a sid for uid 0 | 07:54 |
| twb | Roxyhart08: did you try the Ubuntu server guide? | 07:55 |
| Roxyhart08 | but i didn find DMS | 07:56 |
| Roxyhart08 | just backup domain server and i dont to do that because the PDC is very old with different distrbution | 07:56 |
| adac | Authentication on ssh login takes like forever lately. Any ideas what might be wrong? | 09:06 |
| \sh | adac: dns reverse lookup? | 09:10 |
| adac | \sh, well if i do ssh -vvv then It seems to be stuck on 'debug1: Entering interactive session.' What is dns reverse lookup? | 09:11 |
| Roxyhart08 | Hi, I am setting an domain member server and for some reason when i try to login form windows client is is not taking the user that i wrote instead take the user machine. any idea? | 09:12 |
| adac | \sh, I set now 'UseDNS no'. Seems to have no effect | 09:19 |
| adac | \sh, ok I removed now the debug output. It worked. Seems to get a lot faster now with reverse dns disabled. thx for the hint! | 09:21 |
| \sh | adac: fix your DNS ;) | 09:23 |
| adac | \sh, well which one? "When connecting to an OpenSSH server, one of the first things that the server does is to perform a reverse DNS loopuk on the client’s IP" So It guess the problem relies on client side? | 09:24 |
| twb | If the server is resolving the client's IP, why would that be a problem on the client side? | 10:03 |
| inkvizitor68sl | hi all | 10:07 |
| inkvizitor68sl | can someone explain me shortly what is Ubuntu cloud? | 10:07 |
| twb | !cloud | 10:08 |
| twb | bah. | 10:08 |
| twb | Presumably it's just a wanky name for eucalyptus on Ubuntu. | 10:09 |
| twb | eucalyptus is a FOSS knock-off of Amazon's EC2. | 10:09 |
| inkvizitor68sl | ah | 10:09 |
| inkvizitor68sl | so - is functions of UC similiar to Xen Cloud ? | 10:10 |
| twb | I suspect that "cloud" is this week's buzzword, and its operational meaning is "I am a lying bastard salesdroid" | 10:11 |
| inkvizitor68sl | xDD | 10:11 |
| inkvizitor68sl | is services migrates between physical hosts? | 10:12 |
| twb | inkvizitor68sl: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing | 10:13 |
| inkvizitor68sl | %) | 10:14 |
| inkvizitor68sl | i readed all of it) | 10:14 |
| da65 | any reason why recent updates have been kept back? linux-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic | 10:25 |
| twb | da65: kept back by what command? | 10:26 |
| da65 | ran upgrade and just got that message | 10:27 |
| andol | da65: the way certain kernel upgrades (bumped version number) works is that you get an actual new packages. A normal apt-get upgrade won't install any new packages (as depenencies), try apt-get dist-upgrade instead. | 10:27 |
| twb | da65: aptitude upgrade is deprecated | 10:27 |
| da65 | kk, ty | 10:27 |
| da65 | yeah, wants to install | 10:29 |
| da65 | safe? For a web server? | 10:29 |
| da65 | what happened to apt-get upgrade? | 10:30 |
| twb | Nothing | 10:30 |
| da65 | I hate change :) | 10:30 |
| twb | I recommend the mezozoic, then | 10:30 |
| da65 | lost me, still noobish here! | 10:31 |
| da65 | ty for Ubuntu server btw, great stuff | 10:31 |
| twb | It's not my fault | 10:31 |
| da65 | hope not | 10:31 |
| da65 | 130mb, seems large? | 10:32 |
| da65 | not going to mess all settings will it | 10:33 |
| twb | Oops, the mesozoic was actually a terrible suggestion | 10:33 |
| da65 | pinch of salt comes to mind :) | 10:33 |
| da65 | I might leave it, if it's not a security thing | 10:34 |
| da65 | is there a command to remove all packages that are not required for just a web-email server? | 10:35 |
| da65 | if that makes sense | 10:36 |
| twb | Perhaps you want deborphan or debfoster | 10:38 |
| da65 | are they nice girls, :) | 10:38 |
| twb | No comment | 10:39 |
| da65 | lol | 10:39 |
| da65 | actually that sounds terrible, sry | 10:44 |
| pts | any reason for why I cant find hb_gui? playing around with pacemaker-corosync, but I can seem to find this utility | 11:54 |
| pts | I've installed pacemaker-openais and not pacemaker-heartbeat, is this maybe the reason? | 11:57 |
| pts | any comments on what to choose for production usage; pacemaker-openais or pacemaker-heartbeat? | 12:21 |
| Roxyhart08 | hi i am configurin a samba member server and the groups permision is not working when a windows client try to access. getent group is fine. any idea ? | 12:21 |
| Roxyhart08 | somebody has working with samba as file server? | 12:25 |
| Tek-5-8-6 | Roxy, I had lots of issues with that too. I ended up just sharing the folders and Drives that I needed to under Nataulus and used my main name and pass to access the files | 12:37 |
| Roxyhart08 | but i need to give access to differnet groups of users to different folders | 12:38 |
| Tek-5-8-6 | Ahh, I understand. I tried many ways and still it wouldnt work | 12:41 |
| Roxyhart08 | i dont understand why is not working...before was working and when i changed the samba verisn doesn't work any more | 12:42 |
| Roxyhart08 | i think it is a bug | 12:42 |
| Roxyhart08 | hey Tek-5-8-6, which distribution did you use | 12:49 |
| Roxyhart08 | i just want to know if anybody in the room try to do the same and it work? i mean Domain member server and group permision? | 12:50 |
| Roxyhart08 | tek-5* i mean wich ubuntu version | 12:50 |
| zul | morning | 12:57 |
| Roxyhart08 | no body? | 12:57 |
| Roxyhart08 | hi, i just want to know if anybody in the room try to do the same and it work? i mean Domain member server and group permision? befor i change ubuntu for another distribution??? | 13:13 |
| Pupeno | Hello. | 13:19 |
| Pupeno | Any idea how to make unnatended upgrades actually upgrade the installed packages? | 13:20 |
| hashimi | when i mount my usb in linux and then goto windows. in windows part it has character problems. how i can solve this. | 13:33 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #366427 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (universe) "errore segnalato dal sistema, l'ho appena aggiornato" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366427 | 13:57 |
| pts_ | anyone who can provide me with some help with corosync. I've put up corosync.conf (http://pastebin.org/88842), but I get Feb 09 14:57:56 corosync [MAIN ] parse error in config: No interfaces defined | 14:01 |
| pts_ | Feb 09 14:57:56 corosync [MAIN ] Corosync Cluster Engine exiting with status -9 at main.c:918. | 14:01 |
| zul | smoser: ping | 14:10 |
| smoser | here | 14:10 |
| zul | have you seen this bug ? bug 505482 | 14:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 505482 in euca2ools "euca-bundle-vol dies with "Invalid cert"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505482 | 14:10 |
| smoser | i hadn't seen it. i'll have to take a look at it. | 14:13 |
| Roxyhart0 | hi someone has done a samba domain member server? | 14:14 |
| zul | smoser: k | 14:34 |
| oru_work | hi, how would i extract a gz file ? | 14:43 |
| Pici | oru_work: gunzip file.gz | 14:43 |
| oru_work | Pici, hmm, i did that now i have a .tar file :) | 14:45 |
| Pici | oru_work: you didn't say it was a tar.gz file. Normally, you would do tar xzvf file.tar.gz but now you can just do tar xvf file.tar | 14:46 |
| oru_work | sorr | 14:47 |
| Pici | oru_work: no need to apoligize :) | 14:47 |
| oru_work | i keep forgetting the options for tar | 14:48 |
| oru_work | what is the difference between these two /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini | 14:56 |
| oru_work | /etc/php5/cli/php.ini | 14:56 |
| oru_work | ? | 14:56 |
| Zider | cli is for commandline php and apache2 is for webserver php, I think | 14:57 |
| Jeeves_ | Indeed | 14:58 |
| oru_work | well im installing this program called vTiger CRM and the installation page tells me this http://pastebin.com/m626cb117 | 14:59 |
| oru_work | and i have memory_limit set to 128 in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini | 15:00 |
| bigbrovar | hi guys when I try to restart apache am getting the following errors http://pastebin.com/m5af340b7 | 15:10 |
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| TeTeT | what happened to the daily server builds for Lucid? | 15:41 |
| Italian_Plumber | good morning. What is the best way to use USB drives in ubuntu-server, to make insertion/removal simple? | 15:54 |
| smoser | jjohansen, ping | 16:22 |
| jjohansen | smoser: whats up? | 16:22 |
| smoser | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-ec2 | 16:22 |
| smoser | that has 2.6.32.301.2 | 16:23 |
| smoser | which isn't getting 2.6.32-302 linux-image | 16:23 |
| savid | Italian_Plumber, not sure about ubuntu server but in desktop everything works automagically, so you may want to try and mimic how desktop does it | 16:23 |
| smoser | which is what is current now. | 16:23 |
| bogeyd6 | Question, how were you able to pull from the drive if the drivers would not read it anymore? | 16:25 |
| jjohansen | smoser: hrmm, okay. Sounds like the reference wasn't bumped, will have to make sure it is done for the next kernel update | 16:25 |
| bogeyd6 | i made the tech team close some old tickets and i get dumb replys | 16:25 |
| smoser | jjohansen, well, can we kick it ? everything is based on that getting updated. | 16:26 |
| smoser | my build scripts wont get the new version now, unless i manually hack some things. | 16:26 |
| jjohansen | smoser: yeah will look at it | 16:27 |
| Elad | is there a good program out there that will stop people from attempting to brute force my ssh port? I was thinking about writing a quick php script that would do it, but if there is a better solution I may use it | 16:27 |
| smoser | php? | 16:29 |
| Elad | I would write a php cron that parsed the most recent log and then would add the person to iptables | 16:29 |
| Elad | if they had more than 3 offenses or something | 16:30 |
| smoser | take a look at sshguard | 16:31 |
| smoser | Elad, | 16:33 |
| Elad | thanks, I am looking into it | 16:33 |
| Elad | smoser: thanks, I am going to try it out | 16:35 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #517574 in net-snmp (main) "Please backport agent/mibgroup/host/hr_swrun.c to 5.4.1" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517574 | 16:47 |
| ZimCS | Hi everyone. I just build a machine to use as a home server and am using two 500GB drives that I'd like to setup using Raid 1. When I am doing an install of Ubuntu Server, is there a recommended way I should partition the disks? Ex: a partition for just the OS, another for users, etc? | 17:20 |
| oru_work | how can I change the default character set of a database to UTF-8 using phpmyadmin ? | 17:43 |
| jmarsden | oru_work: I'm not sure about phpmyadmin, but from a mysql prompt you can do ALTER DATABASE mydatabase CHARACTER SET = 'utf8' ; | 17:47 |
| jmarsden | ZimCS: Making /home be a separate partition for user data is very common and usually a good idea. How much more complex than that you get is up to you. | 17:49 |
| oru_work | how can I add a folder with its contents to a .zip ? | 18:03 |
| oru_work | how can I archive a folder with its contents to a .zip ? | 18:03 |
| ZimCS | jmarsden, thanks. like i said it's only for home use. at some point maybe host my site when my free hosting runs out | 18:06 |
| tottto-drummond | can someone help me to configure properly configure samba here ? | 18:06 |
| ZimCS | tottto-drummond: i've done it before, just look on google. there are lots of good samba help websites | 18:21 |
| tottto-drummond | ZimCS I ve tried that option but I can t figure out and understand exactly how to do it | 18:22 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: yo! | 18:38 |
| smoser | soren, ping | 19:44 |
| ehnde | i'm feeling very lost...anyone know of a good tutorial/starting point that i can use to learn about administering a LAMP server and creating dynamic content once i have it set up? | 19:59 |
| ehnde | right now i'm following directions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#To%20install%20the%20default%20LAMP%20stack%20in%20Ubuntu%207.04%20%28Feisty%20Fawn%29%20Ubuntu%207.10%20%28Gutsy%20Gibbon%29%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS%20%28Hardy%20Heron%29,%208.10%20%28Intrepid%20Ibex%29,%209.04%20%28Jaunty%20Jackalope%29%20and%209.10%20%28Karmic%20Koala%29 | 19:59 |
| ehnde | (sorry for the long link) | 20:00 |
| guntbert | ehnde: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/web-servers.html ? | 20:05 |
| ehnde | guntbert: no i have not, but that is exactly what i was hoping for | 20:07 |
| ehnde | tyvm | 20:07 |
| guntbert | ehnde: nice - the serverguide is always a good source - btw there is a version for newer releases too ( s /8.04/9.10/) | 20:09 |
| ehnde | oh good! i'm running 9.10 | 20:10 |
| soren | smoser: wazzup? | 20:20 |
| smoser | i think i forgot what i was going to ask. let me think. | 20:20 |
| smoser | oh yeah. | 20:20 |
| soren | Make something up. | 20:20 |
| smoser | how were you planning on figuring out if a newer "base ami" was available for a rebundled image (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EC2UpgradesSpec) | 20:21 |
| soren | Ah. | 20:22 |
| soren | To see if it's rebundled, I'd go through the ancestor list and see if any of them are in the /all thing. | 20:22 |
| soren | If it is, and it's not the newest one, there's an update available. | 20:22 |
| smoser | ancestor list ? | 20:23 |
| soren | Yes. | 20:23 |
| soren | It's actually what the pseudo code in section 6.2 does. | 20:23 |
| soren | Part of an instance's meta-data is its ancestors. | 20:24 |
| soren | If you run ec2-bundle-image from within EC2, it'll embed the AMI of the current instance in the new image's meta-data along with the current image's ancestor list. | 20:24 |
| smoser | and otherwise the field isn't present | 20:25 |
| soren | Since we build everything from scratch, you may never have seen this happen. | 20:25 |
| smoser | yeah,, i'd never noticed it. | 20:25 |
| smoser | probably not bundle-image, but bundle-volume would do that | 20:25 |
| smoser | you have any ideas on a better way ? | 20:26 |
| soren | Why? | 20:26 |
| smoser | as i dont think we can really rely on that , especially as I suggest people dont use bundle-volume | 20:26 |
| smoser | :) | 20:26 |
| soren | What do you suggest they use? | 20:26 |
| smoser | our tarballs | 20:27 |
| smoser | or vmbuilder | 20:27 |
| soren | So they'll never be making rebundled images. | 20:27 |
| soren | :) | 20:27 |
| soren | Simple. | 20:27 |
| smoser | i tihnk it is borderline assassin to believe you can bundle up a booted instance. | 20:27 |
| smoser | its just going to be filled with gotchas | 20:28 |
| soren | People do it /all/ the time. | 20:28 |
| smoser | people shoot themselves all the time. it doesn't mean i would recommend it. | 20:28 |
| soren | No shit. That's how people make rebundled images. We (and Eric) are the only people crazy enough to always start from scratch. | 20:28 |
| soren | s/crazy/anal/, if you please. | 20:29 |
| soren | I'd never, ever recommend rebundling either. | 20:29 |
| smoser | i know. but eric is publicly suggesting to start with our tarballs. | 20:29 |
| soren | Right. | 20:29 |
| soren | I just know that people do it. | 20:29 |
| soren | ...and this mechanism is meant as a tool for them. | 20:29 |
| soren | If people use other means for creating images, we need a different mechanism for telling them about upgrades. | 20:30 |
| soren | smoser: Welcome back. :) | 20:32 |
| smoser | yeah | 20:32 |
| smoser | (/me dropped ... stupid wifi module) | 20:32 |
| soren | smoser: What was the last thing you saw? | 20:32 |
| smoser | If people use other ... | 20:32 |
| smoser | and then i said "i'm thinking that embedding that information in the image might be the right way to do it." | 20:32 |
| soren | Ok, then you didn't miss anything. | 20:32 |
| soren | Ah. | 20:33 |
| soren | What information, exactly+ | 20:33 |
| soren | ? | 20:33 |
| smoser | well, enough to determine what you were, given nothing else. | 20:33 |
| smoser | so right now | 20:33 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/372722/ | 20:34 |
| soren | Why will that be any better/different? | 20:34 |
| smoser | because unless its deleted it would stick | 20:34 |
| Zider | is the /dev/mapper/foo_unformatted entries supposed to go away by themselves after a while? | 20:34 |
| smoser | if its deleted, thats an explicit action by the user. | 20:34 |
| soren | I don't think I follow. | 20:35 |
| smoser | so in that pastebin, there are some "variables" at the top. | 20:35 |
| soren | Right. | 20:36 |
| smoser | of those, a booted system is able to figure out all bug | 20:36 |
| smoser | but | 20:36 |
| smoser | spin, release-line (which i woudl jsut assume is 'release'), release name, image type | 20:36 |
| smoser | wait, and it can figure out image type | 20:37 |
| soren | Right. | 20:37 |
| smoser | so i'd put something into /etc/cloud that said "spin=server" | 20:37 |
| soren | Ok. | 20:37 |
| smoser | i think ih ave to put name in too | 20:38 |
| smoser | where name is a serial (YYYYMMDD) | 20:38 |
| soren | ok | 20:38 |
| smoser | so then, given information in the system you could figure out that there were released images with serials newer than yours | 20:40 |
| soren | Right. | 20:41 |
| soren | The "spin" thing is new since I wrote that spec, obviously. | 20:41 |
| soren | That will inevitably require additional in-image information. | 20:42 |
| soren | I think I'm confused. | 20:44 |
| soren | :) | 20:44 |
| soren | What was the question again? | 20:44 |
| soren | My goal back then was to avoid putting anything in the filesystem. Because I could. | 20:46 |
| soren | When you say that Eric recommends people use our tarballs, what do you actually mean? Do people download the tarballs, loopback-mount the images, fiddle around, unmount, bundle, upload? | 20:47 |
| smoser | soren, yes. http://alestic.com/2010/01/ec2-ebs-boot-ubuntu | 20:49 |
| smoser | soren, i guess 'spin' doesn't require it you could make guesses based on presense of a package | 20:50 |
| smoser | do you think it reasonable to put that information in. outside of rebundling, it would allow currency to work for uec | 20:51 |
| soren | How would it work for UEC? | 20:52 |
| soren | I don't like guessing based on packages. | 20:52 |
| smoser | me neither | 20:53 |
| soren | I'm sure it will break things. | 20:53 |
| smoser | for uec, the booted instance would have access to enough info to figure out if they were using the newest serial for a given suite, spin, arch | 20:54 |
| smoser | what do you think will break things ? | 20:54 |
| soren | Guessing spin based on packages will break things. | 20:54 |
| smoser | yeah | 20:54 |
| smoser | outside of an explicit package "uec-server". or "uec-desktop" | 20:55 |
| soren | Yeah, the more I think about that, the more ways in which it'll break come to mind. :) | 20:55 |
| soren | ..if we're doing that, we might as well put it in a file in /etc/cloud or whatnot. | 20:56 |
| soren | Anyhow.. back to the uec thing.. | 20:56 |
| soren | I don't quite understand, still. Where would it get this information from? | 20:56 |
| soren | Err... | 20:56 |
| soren | I mean... Where would it look up its currency? | 20:56 |
| smoser | it'd look up currency from uec-images (where i plan to put a tree with such data) | 20:57 |
| soren | ..but that information maps the suite, spin, arch, etc.-tuple to ami's and such? | 20:58 |
| smoser | amis and serial | 20:58 |
| soren | Hm... Right, ok. | 20:58 |
| smoser | and you canfigure out that yoru serial is < available serial | 20:59 |
| soren | Right. | 20:59 |
| soren | Ok. | 20:59 |
| soren | smoser: On a completely unrelated note, UPS claims my laptop will be here by noon tomorrow, so less than 14 hours from now. w00t! :) | 21:00 |
| smoser | wow | 21:00 |
| smoser | that $200 got it there faster than the $9 | 21:01 |
| smoser | :) | 21:01 |
| soren | Imagine that :) | 21:01 |
| smoser | other unreateld note | 21:01 |
| smoser | i got my smart card reader, plugged in card. | 21:01 |
| smoser | 'gpg --card-status ' works for root, but not smoser | 21:01 |
| smoser | how do you set permissions ? probably thats per-reader udev rules | 21:02 |
| soren | Ah. | 21:02 |
| soren | gnupg2 ships some udev rules. | 21:02 |
| soren | Your reader might not be included. | 21:02 |
| smoser | i've never seen gnupg2 | 21:02 |
| soren | You're very likely using it. | 21:02 |
| smoser | well that package was not installed | 21:03 |
| smoser | just gnupg | 21:03 |
| soren | gnupg-agent? | 21:03 |
| smoser | no agent either | 21:03 |
| soren | Oh. | 21:03 |
| soren | You want that for sure :) | 21:03 |
| smoser | i had agent on a remote system, but not laptop | 21:04 |
| smoser | well, that didn't magically fix things . oh well. | 21:06 |
| smoser | poke at it later. | 21:06 |
| Italian_Plumber | This thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8800818#post8800818 is server related -- not a "general help" question -- I thought I'd ask if anyone here might take a look at it. It's an apt-cacher question. | 21:30 |
| nitemovz | How do I configure Ubuntu-Server as a Mail Server | 22:00 |
| nitemovz | leave | 22:17 |
| xperia | hello to all. does anybody know if the package gforge can be installed and hacked on the server like any other package too. | 22:20 |
| xperia | I mean if i install gforge do i get the php sources or only the binarys ? | 22:20 |
| xperia | I need the php sources to change some things how gforge behave. | 22:20 |
| xperia | maybe someone know a full open source simpler alternative to gforge ? how about launchpad ? is this open source ? does something simmilar exist as open source ? | 22:24 |
| xperia | okay think have found it. wikipedia has delivered the answer. | 22:28 |
| xperia | i need to use fusionforge. | 22:28 |
| lifeless | Is it possible to run UEC on a hardy host ? | 22:35 |
| thenthenio | which DHCP server package would you suggest me to install? | 22:35 |
| thenthenio | which DHCP server package would you suggest me to install? | 23:02 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #507664 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package zabbix-server-mysql 1:1.6.4-2build1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507664 | 23:11 |
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