[00:24] <image_q> hello, I have one computer that I want to use as a router using iptables, once I set up the filters to accept information (from port 80 for example) how do I send it to server computer (which is connected through a network swtich)?
[01:20] <image_q> hello, I have one computer that I want to use as a router using iptables, once I set up the filters to accept information (from port 80 for example) how do I send it to server computer (which is connected through a network swtich)?
[01:20] <twb> A *router* just sends packets to where they ask to go
[01:21] <image_q> ok, so how do I do that with iptables?
[01:21] <image_q> and where exactly would I send it to?
[01:21] <twb> That behaviour is orthogonal to iptables
[01:22] <Roxyhart0>  Hi, i have a question. to connect windows client with linux samba member server, do i need to use winbind?
[01:23] <image_q> ok, so how would I do it? and where would I send it to? The ipaddress on the server computer is 192.168.1.136, so how would I send it there?
[01:26] <sabgenton> I am trying to set up cups most howtos tell me to setup a samba share so windows can auto detect it etc
[01:26] <sabgenton> but can I just set a port on LPR like you do with print serving routers?
[01:26] <Roxyhart0> hi sabgenton, so you did it before. did you use winbind in you configuration?
[01:26] <twb> Argh, I thought this was #netfilter, where I'm allowed to be an ass.
[01:27] <twb> I wondered what was up with all the samba questions.
[01:27] <sabgenton> Roxyhart0: no I am a total noob
[01:27] <sabgenton> to cups
[01:27] <Roxyhart0> are u using ldap?
[01:28] <sabgenton> I connected a windows machine to a print server over a port using  LPR
[01:28] <sabgenton> wanted to do something like that with cups
[01:28] <sabgenton> if posable
[01:30] <sabgenton> do I have to use samba with cups
[01:30] <twb> image_q: I guess you are using masquerading ("NAT") to share a single public IP between a number of hosts.  If this is the case, you need a DNAT rule to redirect connections to your masqueraded server.
[01:30] <sabgenton> to connect a windows  machine
[01:31] <Roxyhart0> or use iptables and forward the packages
[01:32] <sabgenton> routers don't seem to use SMB for there print server things
[01:32] <image_q> Roxyhart0: where would I forward them to, like how do I access another computer through the network switch?
[01:32] <sabgenton> thats all
[01:32] <Roxyhart0> i am doing that and i did time ago but now is not working and dont know why...i got problems with winbind-idmap
[01:32] <image_q> twb: looking it upnow
[01:33] <Roxyhart0> yes, i my case my server work as router, so any IP form the NAT is forwarding to the LAN
[02:04] <image_q> I keep reading up documentation on turning a computer into a router but I can't find documentation on using your computer for a router via network swtich
[02:04] <image_q> all the documentation assumes you use a separate network card for every computer you want in your network
[02:04] <image_q> is there a way to use your computer as a router via network switch?
[02:26] <uvirtbot> New bug: #519119 in autofs (main) "Transitional packages need some reworking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519119
[03:21] <uvirtbot> New bug: #297121 in irqbalance (main) "irqbalance causes ksoftirqd to use 100% CPU" [Low,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297121
[03:49] <Roxyhart0> hi do you know a command to chekk how the logs are changing on real time? i mean to do debug from a application?
[03:50] <KurtKraut> Roxyhart0, tail -f /var/log/filename
[03:50] <Roxyhart0> thanks :)
[04:14] <spenser> Hello, I'm looking for some guidence in reference to doing pam auth using authnz_external and pwauth.  Does anyone have a good reference because I cannot get it to work.
[04:14] <spenser> I just continuously get prompted for my password over and over again
[04:22] <spenser> \join #apache
[05:03] <maxagaz> hi
[05:03] <maxagaz> how to restart a ppp connection ?
[05:07] <twb> poff, pon?
[05:36] <uvirtbot> New bug: #519155 in libvirt (main) "package libvirt-bin 0.7.5-5ubuntu7 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519155
[05:52] <lwizardl> hi
[05:55] <lwizardl> is there an easy to follow setup and configure guide for a true webserver configure (apache, mysql, php, dns, email server, ftp server, etc) I officially hate the howtoforge guide for ubuntu server never seems to work once I'm finished following their guide
[05:55] <ball> You have an odd definition of "true webserver"
[06:00] <lwizardl> ok i guess what i wanted to say would be a fully working webserver. all I can seem to get to work is internal networking and accessing the sites via the 192.x ips but if i use the real domains it fails
[06:00] <lwizardl> never hate this kind of issue when i was using gentoo
[06:01] <ball> lwizardl: Are you behind a router?
[06:01] <lwizardl> yes
[06:02] <ball> lwizardl: did you forward appropriate ports to your Linux host?
[06:02] <lwizardl> and i had forwarded all the ports listed such as 80, 8080, 22, 25, etc
[06:02] <ball> lwizardl: Why are you running DNS btw?
[06:03] <lwizardl> just was following that howtoforge guide and figured it was needed
[06:04] <ball> I've never seen that.  Following a guide without a good understanding of what you're doing sounds dubious though.
[06:05] <ball> Have you verified that your domain points to your network?
[06:05] <lwizardl> yeah i even tried to use zonedit for the domain and then point to the network ip from the isp
[06:06]  * ball blinks
[06:07] <lwizardl> err sorry name server
[06:08] <ball> Can you ssh in from outside?
[06:09] <ball> (using your fqdn?)
[06:09] <lwizardl> no
[06:09] <ball> Does your router log the connection attempt?
[06:09] <lwizardl> in when i go to domain.tld it brings up the router login page
[06:10] <ball> lwizardl: try from outside your LAN
[06:10] <lwizardl> only time i can do that will be in the morning
[06:11] <lwizardl> so i need to reconfigure the server tonight and then test again in the morning
[06:11] <ball> Sounds inefficient.
[06:11] <lwizardl> yeah but this is not going to be some huge hosting company type server
[06:12] <lwizardl> its just my home page so I don't have access to other things like vpn accounts etc
[06:12] <lwizardl> or access to something other then my home network at all times
[06:12] <ball> lwizardl: In that case your "true Web server" set up definitely sounds like overkill.
[06:12] <ball> lwizardl: Do you at least have a static IP address?
[06:13] <lwizardl> yes my isp gives me a static ip
[06:13] <ball> That helps then.
[06:13] <lwizardl> kinda would be dumb to use a dynamic always changing ip
[06:14] <ball> lwizardl: Why are you running a mail server on it?
[06:15] <lwizardl> right now i am doing the base install on the server using the install cd and set it to install openssh server, lamp,
[06:15] <lwizardl> umm maybe so people can email me ?
[06:15] <ball> lwizardl: That's odd.
[06:17] <ball> lwizardl: what you're URL?
[06:17] <ball> s/you're/your/
[06:17]  * ball is tired
[06:18] <lwizardl> thats not something i am willing to share while i'm trying to configure the server
[06:18]  * ball shrugs
[06:18] <ball> I can't tell you whether it loads in my browser then.
[06:19] <ball> If I were you I'd have a friend from outside run nmap against your fqdn and IP
[06:19] <lwizardl> I have already said that I'm am doing the install again and its still installing
[06:19] <ball> ...separately, then compare results.
[06:19] <lwizardl> so I 100% doubt anyone would hit it right now
[06:19] <ball> Something to consider once you get your new OS installed.
[06:22] <ball> ...also think about each of those components (MTA, DNS etc.) and whether you actually *need* to run them.
[06:22] <ball> I have to go.
[06:22] <lwizardl> k thanks
[07:20] <captbaritone> Trying to preserver 355 days of uptime! Ssh is timing out and when I plugged in a monitor and keyboard I get "Login timed out after 60 seconds." Is there any hope for me?
[07:21] <captbaritone> *crying*
[07:22] <pts> captbaritone: you could try to unplug the network cable in case it is network related. I would guess your box is having a very high load for some reason
[07:22] <captbaritone> Excellent idea
[07:23] <captbaritone> I fear I may have been linked to by some high traffic site (All the more reason to try to get back up as soon as possible)
[07:23] <captbaritone> perhaps it's time to sacrifice uptime, and just restart
[07:23] <captbaritone> but I'm SO CLOSE to a year!
[07:23] <twb> captbaritone: if you are fapping over uptimes, then no, there's no hope for you
[07:23] <pts> I guess so. High stability is better than high uptime ;)
[07:24] <captbaritone> twb: It just seems so cruel.
[07:24] <captbaritone> Here goes... restarting...
[07:24] <captbaritone> :(
[07:24]  * twb pats PFY on head.
[07:25] <twb> You will... acclimatize to cruelty
[07:27] <captbaritone> sigh
[07:28] <captbaritone> fdisk failed
[07:28] <captbaritone> sigh again
[07:31] <twb> You should probably be using parted or cfdisk unless you're being clever
[07:35] <Roxyhart08> i need to install an domain member server to as file server to be accesed by windows machine. Someone have any good documentation?
[07:50] <twb> Roxyhart08: what documentation have you already tried?
[07:54] <Roxyhart08> i tryed this one:http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/unixclients.html#ch9-sdmsdc but i got this message uid_to_sid: winbind failed to find a sid for uid 0
[07:55] <twb> Roxyhart08: did you try the Ubuntu server guide?
[07:56] <Roxyhart08> but i didn find DMS
[07:56] <Roxyhart08> just backup domain server and i dont to do that because the PDC is very old with different distrbution
[09:06] <adac> Authentication on ssh login takes like forever lately. Any ideas what might be wrong?
[09:10] <\sh> adac: dns reverse lookup?
[09:11] <adac> \sh, well if i do ssh -vvv then It seems to be stuck on 'debug1: Entering interactive session.' What is dns reverse lookup?
[09:12] <Roxyhart08> Hi, I am setting an domain member server and for some reason when i try to login form windows client is is not taking the user that i wrote instead take the user machine. any idea?
[09:19] <adac> \sh, I set now 'UseDNS no'. Seems to have no effect
[09:21] <adac> \sh, ok I removed now the debug output. It worked. Seems to get a lot faster now with reverse dns disabled. thx for the hint!
[09:23] <\sh> adac: fix your DNS ;)
[09:24] <adac> \sh, well which one? "When connecting to an OpenSSH server, one of the first things that the server does is to perform a reverse DNS loopuk on the client’s IP" So It guess the problem relies on client side?
[10:03] <twb> If the server is resolving the client's IP, why would that be a problem on the client side?
[10:07] <inkvizitor68sl> hi all
[10:07] <inkvizitor68sl> can someone explain me shortly what is Ubuntu cloud?
[10:08] <twb> !cloud
[10:08] <twb> bah.
[10:09] <twb> Presumably it's just a wanky name for eucalyptus on Ubuntu.
[10:09] <twb> eucalyptus is a FOSS knock-off of Amazon's EC2.
[10:09] <inkvizitor68sl> ah
[10:10] <inkvizitor68sl> so - is functions of UC similiar to Xen Cloud ?
[10:11] <twb> I suspect that "cloud" is this week's buzzword, and its operational meaning is "I am a lying bastard salesdroid"
[10:11] <inkvizitor68sl> xDD
[10:12] <inkvizitor68sl> is services migrates between physical hosts?
[10:13] <twb> inkvizitor68sl: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing
[10:14] <inkvizitor68sl> %)
[10:14] <inkvizitor68sl> i readed all of it)
[10:25] <da65> any reason why recent updates have been kept back?  linux-generic linux-image-generic linux-restricted-modules-generic
[10:26] <twb> da65: kept back by what command?
[10:27] <da65> ran upgrade and just got that message
[10:27] <andol> da65: the way certain kernel upgrades (bumped version number) works is that you get an actual new packages. A normal apt-get upgrade won't install any new packages (as depenencies), try apt-get dist-upgrade instead.
[10:27] <twb> da65: aptitude upgrade is deprecated
[10:27] <da65> kk, ty
[10:29] <da65> yeah, wants to install
[10:29] <da65> safe?  For a web server?
[10:30] <da65> what happened to apt-get upgrade?
[10:30] <twb> Nothing
[10:30] <da65> I hate change :)
[10:30] <twb> I recommend the mezozoic, then
[10:31] <da65> lost me, still noobish here!
[10:31] <da65> ty for Ubuntu server btw, great stuff
[10:31] <twb> It's not my fault
[10:31] <da65> hope not
[10:32] <da65> 130mb, seems large?
[10:33] <da65> not going to mess all settings will it
[10:33] <twb> Oops, the mesozoic was actually a terrible suggestion
[10:33] <da65> pinch of salt comes to mind :)
[10:34] <da65> I might leave it, if it's not a security thing
[10:35] <da65> is there a command to remove all packages that are not required for just a web-email server?
[10:36] <da65> if that makes sense
[10:38] <twb> Perhaps you want deborphan or debfoster
[10:38] <da65> are they nice girls,  :)
[10:39] <twb> No comment
[10:39] <da65> lol
[10:44] <da65> actually that sounds terrible, sry
[11:54] <pts> any reason for why I cant find hb_gui? playing around with pacemaker-corosync, but I can seem to find this utility
[11:57] <pts> I've installed pacemaker-openais and not pacemaker-heartbeat, is this maybe the reason?
[12:21] <pts> any comments on what to choose for production usage; pacemaker-openais or pacemaker-heartbeat?
[12:21] <Roxyhart08> hi i am configurin a samba member server and the groups permision is not working when a windows client try to access. getent group is fine. any idea ?
[12:25] <Roxyhart08> somebody has working with samba as file server?
[12:37] <Tek-5-8-6> Roxy, I had lots of issues with that too. I ended up just sharing the folders and Drives that I needed to under Nataulus and used my main name and pass to access the files
[12:38] <Roxyhart08> but i need to give access to differnet groups of users to different folders
[12:41] <Tek-5-8-6> Ahh, I understand. I tried many ways and still it wouldnt work
[12:42] <Roxyhart08> i dont understand why is not working...before was working and when i changed the samba verisn doesn't work any more
[12:42] <Roxyhart08> i think it is a bug
[12:49] <Roxyhart08> hey Tek-5-8-6, which distribution did you use
[12:50] <Roxyhart08> i just want to know if anybody in the room try to do the same and it work? i mean Domain member server and group permision?
[12:50] <Roxyhart08> tek-5* i mean wich ubuntu version
[12:57] <zul> morning
[12:57] <Roxyhart08> no body?
[13:13] <Roxyhart08> hi,  i just want to know if anybody in the room try to do the same and it work? i mean Domain member server and group permision? befor i change ubuntu for another distribution???
[13:19] <Pupeno> Hello.
[13:20] <Pupeno> Any idea how to make unnatended upgrades actually upgrade the installed packages?
[13:33] <hashimi> when i mount my usb in linux and then goto windows. in windows part it has character problems. how i can solve this.
[13:57] <uvirtbot> New bug: #366427 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (universe) "errore segnalato dal sistema, l'ho appena aggiornato" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366427
[14:01] <pts_> anyone who can provide me with some help with corosync. I've put up corosync.conf (http://pastebin.org/88842), but I get Feb 09 14:57:56 corosync [MAIN  ] parse error in config: No interfaces defined
[14:01] <pts_> Feb 09 14:57:56 corosync [MAIN  ] Corosync Cluster Engine exiting with status -9 at main.c:918.
[14:10] <zul> smoser: ping
[14:10] <smoser> here
[14:10] <zul> have you seen this bug ? bug 505482
[14:10] <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 505482 in euca2ools "euca-bundle-vol dies with "Invalid cert"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505482
[14:13] <smoser> i hadn't seen it. i'll have to take a look at it.
[14:14] <Roxyhart0> hi someone has done a samba domain member server?
[14:34] <zul> smoser: k
[14:43] <oru_work> hi, how would i extract a gz file ?
[14:43] <Pici> oru_work: gunzip file.gz
[14:45] <oru_work> Pici, hmm, i did that now i have a .tar file :)
[14:46] <Pici> oru_work: you didn't say it was a tar.gz file.  Normally, you would do tar xzvf file.tar.gz   but now you can just do tar xvf file.tar
[14:47] <oru_work> sorr
[14:47] <Pici> oru_work: no need to apoligize :)
[14:48] <oru_work> i keep forgetting the options for tar
[14:56] <oru_work> what is the difference between these two /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[14:56] <oru_work> /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
[14:56] <oru_work> ?
[14:57] <Zider> cli is for commandline php and apache2 is for webserver php, I think
[14:58] <Jeeves_> Indeed
[14:59] <oru_work> well im installing this program called vTiger CRM and the installation page tells me this http://pastebin.com/m626cb117
[15:00] <oru_work> and i have memory_limit set to 128 in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
[15:10] <bigbrovar> hi guys when I try to restart apache am getting the following errors http://pastebin.com/m5af340b7
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[15:41] <TeTeT> what happened to the daily server builds for Lucid?
[15:54] <Italian_Plumber> good morning.  What is the best way to use USB drives in ubuntu-server, to make insertion/removal simple?
[16:22] <smoser> jjohansen, ping
[16:22] <jjohansen> smoser: whats up?
[16:22] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-ec2
[16:23] <smoser> that has 2.6.32.301.2
[16:23] <smoser> which isn't getting 2.6.32-302 linux-image
[16:23] <savid> Italian_Plumber,  not sure about ubuntu server but in desktop everything works automagically,   so you may want to try and mimic how desktop does it
[16:23] <smoser> which is what is current now.
[16:25] <bogeyd6> Question, how were you able to pull from the drive if the drivers would not read it anymore?
[16:25] <jjohansen> smoser: hrmm, okay.  Sounds like the reference wasn't bumped, will have to make sure it is done for the next kernel update
[16:25] <bogeyd6> i made the tech team close some old tickets and i get dumb replys
[16:26] <smoser> jjohansen, well, can we kick it ? everything is based on that getting updated.
[16:26] <smoser> my build scripts wont get the new version now, unless i manually hack some things.
[16:27] <jjohansen> smoser: yeah will look at it
[16:27] <Elad> is there a good program out there that will stop people from attempting to brute force my ssh port? I was thinking about writing a quick php script that would do it, but if there is a better solution I may use it
[16:29] <smoser> php?
[16:29] <Elad> I would write a php cron that parsed the most recent log and then would add the person to iptables
[16:30] <Elad> if they had more than 3 offenses or something
[16:31] <smoser> take a look at sshguard
[16:33] <smoser> Elad,
[16:33] <Elad> thanks, I am looking into it
[16:35] <Elad> smoser: thanks, I am going to try it out
[16:47] <uvirtbot> New bug: #517574 in net-snmp (main) "Please backport agent/mibgroup/host/hr_swrun.c to 5.4.1" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517574
[17:20] <ZimCS> Hi everyone.  I just build a machine to use as a home server and am using two 500GB drives that I'd like to setup using Raid 1.  When I am doing an install of Ubuntu Server, is there a recommended way I should partition the disks?  Ex: a partition for just the OS, another for users, etc?
[17:43] <oru_work> how can I change the default character set of a database to UTF-8 using phpmyadmin ?
[17:47] <jmarsden> oru_work: I'm not sure about phpmyadmin, but from a mysql prompt you can do  ALTER DATABASE mydatabase CHARACTER SET = 'utf8' ;
[17:49] <jmarsden> ZimCS: Making /home be a separate partition for user data is very common and usually a good idea.  How much more complex than that you get is up to you.
[18:03] <oru_work> how can I add a folder with its contents to a .zip ?
[18:03] <oru_work> how can I archive a folder with its contents to a .zip ?
[18:06] <ZimCS> jmarsden, thanks.  like i said it's only for home use.  at some point maybe host my site when my free hosting runs out
[18:06] <tottto-drummond> can someone help me to configure properly configure samba here ?
[18:21] <ZimCS> tottto-drummond: i've done it before, just look on google.  there are lots of good samba help websites
[18:22] <tottto-drummond> ZimCS I ve tried that option but I can t figure out and understand exactly how to do it
[18:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: yo!
[19:44] <smoser> soren, ping
[19:59] <ehnde> i'm feeling very lost...anyone know of a good tutorial/starting point that i can use to learn about administering a LAMP server and creating dynamic content once i have it set up?
[19:59] <ehnde> right now i'm following directions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#To%20install%20the%20default%20LAMP%20stack%20in%20Ubuntu%207.04%20%28Feisty%20Fawn%29%20Ubuntu%207.10%20%28Gutsy%20Gibbon%29%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS%20%28Hardy%20Heron%29,%208.10%20%28Intrepid%20Ibex%29,%209.04%20%28Jaunty%20Jackalope%29%20and%209.10%20%28Karmic%20Koala%29
[20:00] <ehnde> (sorry for the long link)
[20:05] <guntbert> ehnde: have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/web-servers.html ?
[20:07] <ehnde> guntbert: no i have not, but that is exactly what i was hoping for
[20:07] <ehnde> tyvm
[20:09] <guntbert> ehnde: nice - the serverguide is always a good source - btw there is a version for newer releases too ( s /8.04/9.10/)
[20:10] <ehnde> oh good! i'm running 9.10
[20:20] <soren> smoser: wazzup?
[20:20] <smoser> i think i forgot what i was going to ask. let me think.
[20:20] <smoser> oh yeah.
[20:20] <soren> Make something up.
[20:21] <smoser> how were you planning on figuring out if a newer "base ami" was available for a rebundled image (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EC2UpgradesSpec)
[20:22] <soren> Ah.
[20:22] <soren> To see if it's rebundled, I'd go through the ancestor list and see if any of them are in the /all thing.
[20:22] <soren> If it is, and it's not the newest one, there's an update available.
[20:23] <smoser> ancestor list ?
[20:23] <soren> Yes.
[20:23] <soren> It's actually what the pseudo code in section 6.2 does.
[20:24] <soren> Part of an instance's meta-data is its ancestors.
[20:24] <soren> If you run ec2-bundle-image from within EC2, it'll embed the AMI of the current instance in the new image's meta-data along with the current image's ancestor list.
[20:25] <smoser> and otherwise the field isn't present
[20:25] <soren> Since we build everything from scratch, you may never have seen this happen.
[20:25] <smoser> yeah,, i'd never noticed it.
[20:25] <smoser> probably not bundle-image, but bundle-volume would do that
[20:26] <smoser> you have any ideas on a better way ?
[20:26] <soren> Why?
[20:26] <smoser> as i dont think we can really rely on that , especially as I suggest people dont use bundle-volume
[20:26] <smoser> :)
[20:26] <soren> What do you suggest they use?
[20:27] <smoser> our tarballs
[20:27] <smoser> or vmbuilder
[20:27] <soren> So they'll never be making rebundled images.
[20:27] <soren> :)
[20:27] <soren> Simple.
[20:27] <smoser> i tihnk it is borderline assassin to believe you can bundle up a booted instance.
[20:28] <smoser> its just going to be filled with gotchas
[20:28] <soren> People do it /all/ the time.
[20:28] <smoser> people shoot themselves all the time. it doesn't mean i would recommend it.
[20:28] <soren> No shit. That's how people make rebundled images. We (and Eric) are the only people crazy enough to always start from scratch.
[20:29] <soren> s/crazy/anal/, if you please.
[20:29] <soren> I'd never, ever recommend rebundling either.
[20:29] <smoser> i know. but eric is publicly suggesting to start with our tarballs.
[20:29] <soren> Right.
[20:29] <soren> I just know that people do it.
[20:29] <soren> ...and this mechanism is meant as a tool for them.
[20:30] <soren> If people use other means for creating images, we need a different mechanism for telling them about upgrades.
[20:32] <soren> smoser: Welcome back. :)
[20:32] <smoser> yeah
[20:32] <smoser> (/me dropped ... stupid wifi module)
[20:32] <soren> smoser: What was the last thing you saw?
[20:32] <smoser> If people use other ...
[20:32] <smoser> and then i said "i'm thinking that embedding that information in the image might be the right way to do it."
[20:32] <soren> Ok, then you didn't miss anything.
[20:33] <soren> Ah.
[20:33] <soren> What information, exactly+
[20:33] <soren> ?
[20:33] <smoser> well, enough to determine what you were, given nothing else.
[20:33] <smoser> so right now
[20:34] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/372722/
[20:34] <soren> Why will that be any better/different?
[20:34] <smoser> because unless its deleted it would stick
[20:34] <Zider> is the /dev/mapper/foo_unformatted entries supposed to go away by themselves after a while?
[20:34] <smoser> if its deleted, thats an explicit action by the user.
[20:35] <soren> I don't think I follow.
[20:35] <smoser> so in that pastebin, there are some "variables" at the top.
[20:36] <soren> Right.
[20:36] <smoser> of those, a booted system is able to figure out all bug
[20:36] <smoser> but
[20:36] <smoser> spin, release-line (which i woudl jsut assume is 'release'), release name, image type
[20:37] <smoser> wait, and it can figure out image type
[20:37] <soren> Right.
[20:37] <smoser> so i'd put something into /etc/cloud that said "spin=server"
[20:37] <soren> Ok.
[20:38] <smoser> i think ih ave to put name in too
[20:38] <smoser> where name is a serial (YYYYMMDD)
[20:38] <soren> ok
[20:40] <smoser> so then, given information in the system you could figure out that there were released images with serials newer than yours
[20:41] <soren> Right.
[20:41] <soren> The "spin" thing is new since I wrote that spec, obviously.
[20:42] <soren> That will inevitably require additional in-image information.
[20:44] <soren> I think I'm confused.
[20:44] <soren> :)
[20:44] <soren> What was the question again?
[20:46] <soren> My goal back then was to avoid putting anything in the filesystem. Because I could.
[20:47] <soren> When you say that Eric recommends people use our tarballs, what do you actually mean? Do people download the tarballs, loopback-mount the images, fiddle around, unmount, bundle, upload?
[20:49] <smoser> soren, yes. http://alestic.com/2010/01/ec2-ebs-boot-ubuntu
[20:50] <smoser> soren, i guess 'spin' doesn't require it you could make guesses based on presense of a package
[20:51] <smoser> do you think it reasonable to put that information in.  outside of rebundling, it would allow currency to work for uec
[20:52] <soren> How would it work for UEC?
[20:52] <soren> I don't like guessing based on packages.
[20:53] <smoser> me neither
[20:53] <soren> I'm sure it will break things.
[20:54] <smoser> for uec, the booted instance would have access to enough info to figure out if they were using the newest serial for a given suite, spin, arch
[20:54] <smoser> what do you think will break things ?
[20:54] <soren> Guessing spin based on packages will break things.
[20:54] <smoser> yeah
[20:55] <smoser> outside of an explicit package "uec-server". or "uec-desktop"
[20:55] <soren> Yeah, the more I think about that, the more ways in which it'll break come to mind. :)
[20:56] <soren> ..if we're doing that, we might as well put it in a file in /etc/cloud or whatnot.
[20:56] <soren> Anyhow.. back to the uec thing..
[20:56] <soren> I don't quite understand, still. Where would it get this information from?
[20:56] <soren> Err...
[20:56] <soren> I mean... Where would it look up its currency?
[20:57] <smoser> it'd look up currency from uec-images (where i plan to put a tree with such data)
[20:58] <soren> ..but that information maps the suite, spin, arch, etc.-tuple to ami's and such?
[20:58] <smoser> amis and serial
[20:58] <soren> Hm... Right, ok.
[20:59] <smoser> and you canfigure out that yoru serial is < available serial
[20:59] <soren> Right.
[20:59] <soren> Ok.
[21:00] <soren> smoser: On a completely unrelated note, UPS claims my laptop will be here by noon tomorrow, so less than 14 hours from now. w00t! :)
[21:00] <smoser> wow
[21:01] <smoser> that $200 got it there faster than the $9
[21:01] <smoser> :)
[21:01] <soren> Imagine that :)
[21:01] <smoser> other unreateld note
[21:01] <smoser> i got my smart card reader, plugged in card.
[21:01] <smoser> 'gpg --card-status ' works for root, but not smoser
[21:02] <smoser> how do you set permissions ? probably thats per-reader udev rules
[21:02] <soren> Ah.
[21:02] <soren> gnupg2 ships some udev rules.
[21:02] <soren> Your reader might not be included.
[21:02] <smoser> i've never seen gnupg2
[21:02] <soren> You're very likely using it.
[21:03] <smoser> well that package was not installed
[21:03] <smoser> just gnupg
[21:03] <soren> gnupg-agent?
[21:03] <smoser> no agent either
[21:03] <soren> Oh.
[21:03] <soren> You want that for sure :)
[21:04] <smoser> i had agent on a remote system, but not laptop
[21:06] <smoser> well, that didn't magically fix things . oh well.
[21:06] <smoser> poke at it later.
[21:30] <Italian_Plumber> This thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8800818#post8800818 is server related -- not a "general help" question -- I thought I'd ask if anyone here might take a look at it.  It's an apt-cacher question.
[22:00] <nitemovz> How do I configure Ubuntu-Server as a Mail Server
[22:17] <nitemovz> leave
[22:20] <xperia> hello to all. does anybody know if the package gforge can be installed and hacked on the server like any other package too.
[22:20] <xperia> I mean if i install gforge do i get the php sources or only the binarys ?
[22:20] <xperia> I need the php sources to change some things how gforge behave.
[22:24] <xperia> maybe someone know a full open source simpler alternative to gforge ? how about launchpad ? is this open source ? does something simmilar exist as open source ?
[22:28] <xperia> okay think have found it. wikipedia has delivered the answer.
[22:28] <xperia> i need to use fusionforge.
[22:35] <lifeless> Is it possible to run UEC on a hardy host ?
[22:35] <thenthenio> which DHCP server package would you suggest me to install?
[23:02] <thenthenio> which DHCP server package would you suggest me to install?
[23:11] <uvirtbot> New bug: #507664 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package zabbix-server-mysql 1:1.6.4-2build1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507664
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