[09:22] <ara> mvo, hi!
[09:34] <mvo> hey ara
[09:37] <ara> hey mvo, I want to create a simple guide on how to report bugs on upgrade issues for the Upgrade Jam during the UGJ
[09:37] <ara> mvo, what package you prefer bugs filed against?
[09:37] <ara> update-manager and then reroot from there?
[09:37] <mvo> ara: ideally against the package that is causing the problem, second best is update-manager with all logs
[09:38] <ara> and, /dist-upgrade files are enough? or somehting else¿ç
[09:40] <mvo> in 99% of the cases they are enough
[09:40] <mvo> the remaining 1% are hard to diangose
[09:41] <mvo> and of course it does not help for issues like "my sound is no longer working" or "my screensize is no longer ideal"
[09:41] <mvo> well, for some of them, but not all, sometimes its just regressions
[09:41] <mvo> in the kernel or X
[09:49] <ara> OK, I will send you the link when done, so you can review it :-)
[09:49] <ara> thanks a lot!
[14:28] <charlie-tca> Last alternate image for lucid Ubuntu and Xubuntu dated 2010-02-05, last server image dated 2010-02-04
[14:32] <charlie-tca> CD1 missing some packages needed by debootstrap
[14:32] <charlie-tca> make: *** [/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/xubuntu/daily/tmp/lucid-amd64/packages-stamp] Error 1
[14:32] <charlie-tca> ERROR WHILE BUILDING OFFICIAL IMAGES !!
[14:34] <persia> charlie-tca: Are you able to run debootstrap on that architecture locally?  I've been running it very frequently lately with some success.
[14:34] <charlie-tca> Don't know how?
[14:34] <charlie-tca> What I see is the images are missing from the daily build.
[14:37] <persia> Well, the quick'n'dirty way is to create some directory, and run debootstrap on that directory (man debootstrap for details), chroot into that directory, and apt-get install ^ubuntu-server or ^xubuntu-desktop.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> And that will create today's image?
[14:39] <persia> If you use pbuilder or schroot there are helper tools that let you avoid some of the arguments.  In that case it's something like `mk-sbuild-lv vg00 lucid; schroot -c lucid; apt-get install ...` or `pbuilder-dist lucid create; sudo pbuilder-dist lucid login; apt-get install ...`
[14:40] <persia> It creates a current chroot and installs the current stuff.  It doesn't precisely match the work being done to create images, but if there is a problem with packages that is still present, you'll see it, and can likely track it down more easily (having local access to the apt-cache with the issue, etc.)
[14:40] <charlie-tca> The problem though is that the images which could be tested are not present on the server.
[14:47] <davmor2> morning fader_ charlie-tca cr3
[14:47] <persia> Well, that's the observed issue :)  There is probably some deeper issue that causes that, and so on :)
[14:47] <charlie-tca> morning
[14:48]  * fader_ waves.
[14:48] <charlie-tca> persia: I am not a developer or programmer. I just try to test the images each day and notify devel's/file bug reports as needed.
[14:50] <persia> Fair enough :)
[14:51] <persia> I tend to use chroots extensively for testing, but then again, the sort of testing I do isn't the same as the image testing.
[14:56] <charlie-tca> davmor2: alternate images are missing again
[14:57] <davmor2> slangasek: ^
[14:57]  * charlie-tca could have told him directly. Will try to remember that.
[14:59] <davmor2> charlie-tca: slangasek is pretty much the man for release stuff so when things go bump check the daily reports then head for him :)
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I can do that. Thanks. daily report wasn't very much, missing some packages needed by debootstrap
[19:02] <slangasek> charlie-tca, davmor2: build failure seems to have been fixed in the archive now; respinning
[19:03] <slangasek> (I guess the new binary packages from krb5 had the wrong priority set in debian/control, which we inherited)
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[20:28] <nagappan> at VMware, we are trying with Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 2, hardware info is same as the one available here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/435570
[20:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435570 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) "xorg hangs during karmic install due to issue supporting dual head (affects: 2)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:29] <nagappan> when I press enter on typing any command in terminal (gnome-terminal / xterm) or Synaptic or Firefox, it just hangs the system
[20:29] <nagappan> have installed nvidia-current
[20:30] <nagappan> the work around is to use vesa instead of nvidia in xorg.conf
[20:30] <nagappan> any suggestion ? is there a bug already on this ?
[20:30] <nagappan> default ping cr3 :D
[20:32] <cr3> nagappan: so if you type the "date" command and press the Enter key, the system just hangs?
[20:32] <nagappan> cr3, even for ls and press enter :(
[20:33] <cr3> nagappan: can you try Alt-F2, enter "date" in the input field, check the box to perform command in terminal, then what happens?
[20:33] <nagappan> cr3, no a11y enabled
[20:33] <nagappan> cr3, sure, will try now and update you shortly
[20:33] <cr3> nagappan: out of curiosity, which VMware product?
[20:34] <nagappan> cr3, I'm trying on host machine not on Workstation / Player
[20:34] <nagappan> cr3, this is DELL hardware same as the one in above bug
[20:36] <cr3> nagappan: upgrade or fresh install?
[20:50] <nagappan> cr3, fresh install of alpha 2
[20:50] <nagappan> cr3, running with ALT + F2 and gedit it works fine
[20:51] <nagappan> cr3, but inside gedit, if I press enter, it just hangs
[20:51] <cr3> nagappan: nice!
[20:51] <nagappan> cr3, after alpha 2 installation, just did synaptic update
[20:56] <nagappan> cr3, on another setup with same hardware kind, we have installed NVidia driver from NVidia website instead of installing through synaptic, this works fine, unless we do anything with sudo
[20:57] <nagappan> cr3, with we type sudo and press enter or launch synaptic, the system will reboot !
[20:59] <cr3> nagappan: I just had a look at the above bug report and the progress you've done with alberto looks great, he will know better than me
[21:00] <nagappan> cr3, shall I ping him on #ubuntu-xorg or some other channel name ?
[21:00] <cr3> nagappan: he's in italy and he has acknowledged your bug report, I think it's safe to assume he's working on the bug. pinging him further will just distract him from doing so
[21:02] <nagappan> cr3, my xchat just got hanged on Ubuntu 9.10 :(
[21:02] <nagappan> cr3, when I tried pulling the channel list !
[21:02] <nagappan> this was my last message
[21:02] <nagappan> nagappan> cr3, shall I ping him on #ubuntu-xorg or some other channel name ?
[21:02] <cr3> nagappan: he's in italy and he has acknowledged your bug report, I think it's safe to assume he's working on the bug. pinging him further will just distract him from doing so
[21:05] <nagappan> cr3, nope that bug is diff
[21:05] <nagappan> cr3, that's on 9.10
[21:06] <nagappan> cr3, the new one, pressing enter key on 10.04 just hangs the system
[21:06] <nagappan> cr3, and on another system using sudo reboots the system
[21:06] <nagappan> cr3, both are 64-bit system with Ubuntu alpha 2
[21:07] <cr3> nagappan: you should probably report a bug with similar information requested by alberto in that bug, but on 10.04 of course. then, perhaps you could ping him with a bug number tomorrow morning
[21:07] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[21:08] <cr3> nagappan: that's always preferable than just explaining over and over again on irc :)
[21:08] <cr3> in the end, you save typing and waiting
[21:08] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[21:08] <nagappan> cr3, :D
[21:09] <cr3> nagappan: by the way, in case you might be tempted to subscribe him, it might be preferable to ping him first instead of volunteering him on his behalf :)
[21:11] <nagappan> cr3, sure, will do that :) thanks
[21:24] <nagappan> cr3, thanks :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/519505
[21:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519505 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) "Pressing Enter or using sudo command with NVidia driver hangs / reboots the system (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]