[01:00] <mr_steve> I think in the future when setting up automatic SMART monitoring of my disks, I need to remember the importance of at least running a short self-test
[01:01] <h00k> mr_steve: Ubuntu has a disk...thing that monitors it and will notify you if it's bad
[01:01] <mr_steve> palimpsest, yup. If they've worked the bugs out. This is a server tho.
[01:02] <h00k> Yeah, that.
[01:03] <mr_steve> it has the same problem that bit me, I don't think it runs self-tests.
[01:04] <mr_steve> All my reported SMART attrs were fine, actually they still are. But the self-test hits an error every other sector
[01:10] <Takyoji> Ooo, Bespin is spiffy..
[01:10] <Takyoji> (and easy to install)
[01:15] <Takyoji> Written in Python in fact
[01:24] <Takyoji> Oh, I still haven't pushed that change yet..
[01:26] <Takyoji> I really should find a convenient application for a category-based todo list
[01:27] <Takyoji> That would also be easily accessible from the gnome-panel, and where it's minimal clicks to add something new to the list
[01:29] <Takyoji> Finally committed the change. Hopefully it worked
[01:30] <mr_steve> Takyoji, I'm thinking about a patch for Getting Things Gnome that adds a tray icon or panel applet. Interested?
[01:31] <mr_steve> ALthough GTG is kinda clunky still
[01:31] <Takyoji> That would be convenient
[01:31] <Takyoji> Or perhaps something that could bind with other applications as well; but then that may become "complex"
[01:31] <Takyoji> i.e. something that would add to the calendar/list in Evolution
[01:32] <mr_steve> Gnome-Do + Tasque is decent too, Tasque can use evolution-data-server as a backend. It can sync to rememberthemilk.com too, I believe
[01:34] <mr_steve> personally I'm probably going to end up coding my own task manager, nothing really seems to fit my particular organizational style
[01:35] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:36] <Takyoji> I would be able to live with something that solely resides as a gnome-panel applet.
[01:36] <Takyoji> I mean, that would pretty much be optimal for me
[01:41] <mr_steve> yeah, that's basically what I have in mind when I get around to writing my own
[01:41] <mr_steve> Something with a panel applet and a global keybinding to pop up a quick add-task dialog
[01:42] <mr_steve> and natural language parsing like RTM and Google Calender would be a nice bonus
[01:42] <Takyoji> yea
[01:42] <Takyoji> Two-way syncing is possible with Google Calendar, correct?
[01:42] <mr_steve> Yup
[01:43] <mr_steve> Evolution can do it
[01:43] <Takyoji> Yea, I believe I recall that
[01:43] <Takyoji> or at least is supposed to
[01:45] <mr_steve> Yeah. My school of thought is that if Evolution can do it, I sure can too. cuz evo rarely does anything properly...
[01:45] <Takyoji> heh
[01:45] <mr_steve> I was toying with Anjal, the minimal/netbook frontend to Evolution mail
[01:46] <mr_steve> So now I use Mutt.
[01:46] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:52] <Takyoji> I'm such a paranoid individual.
[01:53] <Takyoji> I don't trust accessing my Google account in public at all
[01:53] <Takyoji> Unless if I boot a LiveCD, and it's a nice HTTP over TLS connection.
[01:53] <mr_steve> until very recently, I'd usually just ssh into my server, where I had irssi and mutt running in screen
[01:55] <Takyoji> Random curiosity: What do any of you name your servers/workstations?
[01:55] <Takyoji> (in terms of the hostname for example)
[01:56] <mr_steve> my laptop is yogzotot and my netbook is nyogtha, my server was bender, but it'll get a new name now that it's a new install on new hardware
[01:58] <Takyoji> My primary workstation is timber-wolf, my mother's system is just family-computer, this laptop is "caleb-laptop" I think (although I may change it to something more creative), and the first system I ever installed Linux on was called canis-lupus
[01:58] <Takyoji> which happened to be Debian
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: fort-frances, kapuskasing, atikokan, dryden, thornloe, latchford, mattawa, sudbury, moosonee, geraldton, nipigon, and hearst.
[02:00] <Takyoji> Our linux systems; they
[02:01] <Takyoji> Our Linux systems; they're just like children to us. :P
[02:01] <Takyoji> So I take it that's in Ojibwe?
[02:01]  * tonyyarusso may or may not already have the hostnames and IP addresses of around a hundred potential future systems / VMs predetermined....
[02:02] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: No, those are city names in northern Ontario.
[02:02] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:02] <Takyoji> Anyone memorize their WAN IP address(es)? :P
[02:02] <tonyyarusso> My WAN IP is semi-dynamic, so no.
[02:02] <Takyoji> Aww
[02:02] <Takyoji> Mine has been the same for at least 2 years now
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> at last check is was 174.something, but even the first octet occasionally rotates
[02:03] <Takyoji> And thankfully it's easy to remember
[02:03] <Takyoji> Mine is 24 177 111 78
[02:03] <Takyoji> Hack me, now! :o
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> I have dyndns set up though, and as a backup every minute cron writes the IP to a file on my VPS as well.
[02:04] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> I do however memorize the internal IPs, which I also use for remote access
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> (external port numbers based on the service and internal IP point at each machine)
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> I also actually have hostnames defined for each interface on each device, in case I ever wanted to run a chroot with a different IP on them.  And there's a block of hostnames allocated to systems capable of hardware virtualization.
[02:06] <Takyoji> I remember all my LAN IPs
[02:06] <Takyoji> ahh
[02:07] <tonyyarusso> and the IP addresses are grouped by device/service type in case I want to write subnet firewall rules later
[02:08] <tonyyarusso> scratch that earlier statement; the actual number I have pre-determined is 53.
[02:08] <Takyoji> tonyyarusso: I finally pushed that fix to the Bazaar repository
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> oh, and I have 6 in a separate class entirely that I don't know what I'll do with yet.  Maybe that will be for a cluster :P
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: yay
[02:10] <tonyyarusso> Thus also confirming that group permissions are working :)
[02:10] <Takyoji> 4 days that I completely forgot to push the change.
[02:10] <Takyoji> Woo
[02:22] <tonyyarusso> now to figure out how to merge your change into production...
[02:36]  * h00k merges tonyyarusso with 'awesome'
[02:49] <Takyoji> I have yet to ever use irssi
[02:51]  * Takyoji wonders if tonyyarusso secretly sold off his (Takyoji's) 8P8C cables..
[02:52] <h00k> irssi is pretty sweet.
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: nope
[03:06] <mr_steve> irssi is awesome
[03:06] <mr_steve> Hm I need moar disk
[03:12] <mr_steve> So, what exactly does it take for ubuntu-mn to become an approved team?
[03:12] <kermit> mr_steve: approved by who for what?
[03:13] <mr_steve> Approved by the Ubuntu LoCo team as an "Approved" Team
[03:13] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, ?
[03:15] <Takyoji> Like 3-5 Ubuntu members I believe
[03:16] <tonyyarusso> it's a bit more complicated that that - it's a measure of sustained activity and contribution
[03:17] <Takyoji> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> yeah, that
[03:17] <mr_steve> So, I should definitely keep up the Ubuntu Hours, as well as my packaging and triage efforts, then
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> (wiki won't load for me atm)
[03:18] <Takyoji> Yea, it was slow for me as well
[03:18] <Takyoji> The wiki and Launchpad seem a little slow/unresponsive tonight
[03:21] <Takyoji> at times
[03:21] <Takyoji> So did I break something? :P
[03:25] <mr_steve> I cannot for the life of me figure out the best way to partition 65.9 GB of disk for a new server install
[03:27] <mr_steve> Anyone know what a sensible size for / on an ubuntu server would be?
[03:28] <Takyoji> I'd estimate about 6GB or below
[03:28] <Takyoji> in terms of being minimalistic
[03:28] <mr_steve> with or without a seperate /usr?
[03:28] <Takyoji> though it could probably be even less since a server installation is typically quite smaller than a desktop installation
[03:33]  * Takyoji wonders if tonyyarusso is poking at the website still yet
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Yeah - upstream goofed up so I'm having some trouble merging in changes from them.
[03:35] <tonyyarusso> Since we modified style.css, and then they moved it to css/style.css, but manually instead of with bzr mv.
[03:36] <Takyoji> ahh
[03:44] <Takyoji> It's kind of interesting some movies secretly have a FOSS app used in them.
[03:44] <Takyoji> For example, nmap in The Matrix (and a couple other movies as well)
[03:44] <Takyoji> Audacity was in Paranormal Activity.
[03:45] <mr_steve> Heh I definitely remember that from the Matrix. Nmap and sshnuke.
[03:45] <Takyoji> Some Linux distro was obviously used in the movie "Antitrust"
[03:46] <Takyoji> A GRUB boot loader selection screen was used in some comic. :P
[03:46] <Takyoji> http://www.ubuntudaily.com/wp-content/uploads/1185408112656.jpg xP
[03:47] <Takyoji> Hah, I get such a laugh out of that. xP
[04:14] <Takyoji> I don't get the point of space-based indentation over tab-based.
[04:19] <tonyyarusso> Me neither - it's silly.
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> all right, bunch o' changes all merged up.
[04:31] <Takyoji> What would be our next step at world domination?
[04:33] <Takyoji> as a sidenote; I can't login through the typical Launchpad module. The way I'd be able to login was by manually inserting my OpenID URL
[04:38]  * Obsidian1723 night all.
[05:08] <mr_steve> wow I hate CD drives that sounds like a leafblower
[05:09] <Takyoji> heheheh
[05:09] <Takyoji> Same
[05:10] <Takyoji> Usually I'd never have a disc in the other system I'd use. Because it would even just simple idle and make horrendous noise
[05:10] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/user , manually add your OpenID URL to your profile (note that you need the nonsense one, not the username one).
[05:10] <Takyoji> just simply*
[05:10] <mr_steve> yeah this drive is awful, I should have tried USB instead
[05:11] <Takyoji> I don't have my password. xP
[05:11] <Takyoji> Otherwise you might be able to manually add it
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> yeah, I can
[05:11] <tonyyarusso> or I could try something else
[05:14] <Takyoji> otherwise I'll be leaving for the nigh
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> someone tell Takyoji to visit http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/openid later.
[09:10] <kermit> no
[19:32] <Takyoji> Snow day; though I just slept through most of it
[19:43] <Takyoji> Ooo, new KDE release
[19:43] <Takyoji> and their nifty website redesign
[19:45] <mr_steve> ugh, prdownloads.sourceforge.net is acting up
[19:47] <tonyyarusso> http://failblog.org/2010/01/20/cd-fail/
[19:47] <mr_steve> heheh whoops
[19:49] <mr_steve> yay prdownloads is working again
[20:51] <Takyoji> hah nice
[21:20] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/openid
[21:29] <Takyoji> Still isn't working as desired
[21:29] <Takyoji> Still denied
[21:33] <tonyyarusso> uh, that's the same login thing that you were using before...
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: does login fail both with your password and manual openid?
[21:54] <Takyoji> It fails with all combinations of the my OpenID that I give it
[21:54] <tonyyarusso> okay, but can you log in with a password?
[21:54] <Takyoji> Where's the page for username/password authentication again?
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> that will worko on /openid too
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> or /user, either way
[21:56] <Takyoji> Tried all passwords that I know, none of them worked
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> okayyyyy
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/user/password then
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> apparently our site got a hit from Morocco
[21:57] <Takyoji> Unauthorized
[21:58] <tonyyarusso> wth
[22:06] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: try http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/user/password now
[22:07] <Takyoji> Went through the form successfully, but haven't received an email yet
[22:08] <Takyoji> nothing in the Junk/Spam folders either
[22:09] <Takyoji> Sure your mailserver is working or that Drupal is properly configured?
[22:09] <tonyyarusso> heh, no
[22:12] <tonyyarusso> yay, mailserver misconfiguration.  dammit.
[22:12]  * tonyyarusso should actually read system mail
[22:26] <Takyoji> Anyone happen to know of how I could have a request for "/some/page" map to "/cache/some/page.shtml" in a .htaccess file?
[22:26] <Takyoji> But for pretty much anything
[22:27] <Takyoji> and if not, it would resort to the index.php file
[22:34] <tonyyarusso> should just be a URL rewrite rule I'd imagine.
[22:35] <Takyoji> Perhaps I'm just overanalyizing
[22:58] <Takyoji> Should I be horrendously disturbed that the Plesk login page on a server has a .php3 extension...?
[23:16] <h00k> I'm geting into a fight with my Tux Droid
[23:16] <Takyoji> In what way? :P
[23:17] <Takyoji> I wonder how I would be able to somehow benchmark PHP and SSI in terms of performance..
[23:18] <Takyoji> or if I should even just have something all DB-based rather than on the filesystem..
[23:21] <tonyyarusso> h00k: This is why you should have programmed the 3 Laws *first*, not said "eh, I'll get to the good practice stuff later - first, nunchucks!"
[23:23] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I know, I know...
[23:29] <Takyoji> Would benchmarking in a virtual machine be sane for proper isolation?
[23:30] <Takyoji> (for server-related things)
[23:32] <Takyoji> Also, public key authentication is much more secure than password-based authentication for SSH, y/n?