Lex79neversfelde: if you have to go to bed I can finish your work, just let me know00:00
neversfeldeI think the karmic backport should be done in ninjas in a few minutes, but I cannot copy it over to staging today00:01
neversfeldetoo late00:01
JontheEchidnapersia: oh wow, I made an app with an infinite while loop that makes and deletes a 5 MB pixmapcache. I toggled desktop effects and plasma-desktop crashed with a glibc :D00:02
JontheEchidnatotally reproducible too00:02
persiaJontheEchidna: Cool!  Which signal?00:02
JontheEchidnasignal 6 I think (SIGABRT?)00:03
JontheEchidnainteresting bits are in thread 100:03
JontheEchidnamemory corruption perhaps?00:04
persiathis=0x6 is *definitely* wrong.00:04
persia(frame #14)00:04
persiaI'd have to inspect the code to be sure, but I bet there's a function call whose return value isn't checked in QHashData::free_helper00:05
persiaIt's usually a 3-4 line patch to wrap that sort of call in a return value checker, which sorts the bug 90% of the time.00:06
ubottuBug 90 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/90 is private00:06
persiaBut since I program c++ by IRC consensus, I'll leave that to you :)00:06
TomasuAwayso virtuoso 6.1 seems to have hit, but it wont install, says it cant run the pre-depend on virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin00:14
TomasuAwaysays it might be a dependency cycle?00:14
JontheEchidnapersia: I got a different backtrace this time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/372833/00:16
TomasuAwayanyone know how to fix that?00:16
persiaJontheEchidna: It's the same issue: you're still calling free(0x06)00:18
Lex79TomasuAway: remove all virtuoso packages from your system and install virtuoso-nepomuk00:18
JontheEchidnahmm, I wonder why 0x6. what's special about that address?00:18
JontheEchidnaI fear that this will turn into a heisenbug the minute I put it to gdb00:19
TomasuAwayLex79: ok, did that. was it supposed to install the other virtuoso packages?00:20
Lex79virtuoso-nepomuk is the right package to run nepomuk in kde, and you should install virtuosoconverter package too00:22
Lex79to convert the virtuoso 5 database to virtuoso 600:22
neversfeldeworked for me00:22
neversfeldechanging the database from 4.4 rc3 to 4.4 final and virtuosoo 600:23
Lex79neversfelde: can you find your files indixed in dolphin? not here :(00:25
JontheEchidnaE: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle.00:25
neversfeldeI am not sure why, but it is working again, bangarang likes it00:25
Lex79uhm? nevermind :)00:26
* neversfelde is confused again00:27
neversfeldeanyway, time to sleep. n8 everyone00:28
TomasuAwayI dont seem to see a virtuosoconverter package00:29
TomasuAwaythanks for the help guys, off to do the kde presentation00:35
RiddellTomasuAway: around?00:48
Riddelloh no gone00:48
txwikingerHi Riddell.. still up?01:01
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Riddellhi TomasuAway01:04
Riddellhi txwikinger01:04
ScottKRiddell: How's the snow.  It's really nice here in California.01:19
txwikingerScottK: The snow here is very nice too01:26
txwikingerMan .. why is everything always working less everytime I upgrade?01:26
RiddellScottK: deep and getting deeper01:35
Riddelltxwikinger: what's up?01:35
jepongany update about KDE SC 4.4 updates?01:37
Riddelljepong: karmic or lucid?01:40
Riddelljepong: hang around for an hour and we'll need testers01:41
jepongok... thanks...01:42
jepongim just SO excited... you know... hehehehe01:42
maco2ScottK: Riddell and i walked ~3mi through the meter deep snow yesterday!01:46
crimsunare we supposed to be impressed? ;)01:49
Riddelland I hadn't slept in 30 hours01:53
crimsunyou kids are young; that's nothing01:54
Riddellwell the thing that slowed us down was me going "ooh that snow's a metre deep, what happens if I jump in it?"01:55
maco2i kept telling him he was going to get snow in his boots02:09
maco2finally he started whinging about having snow up his trousers02:09
ryanakcahehe :D02:10
shtylmanfor the little things ;)04:21
TomasuAwayRiddell: back now :)05:48
TomasuAwaypresentation went ok, cept for forgetting to install a crap load of stuff05:48
shadeslayerRiddell: i managed to install the package on a brand new install on a friends pc..hope that qualifies06:50
Riddellshadeslayer: lucid or karmic?07:14
shadeslayerkarmic :)07:14
Riddellshadeslayer: from ninjas?07:14
apacheloggerneversfelde: outdated07:14
shadeslayerRiddell: i filed a bug for a backport of kopete-facebook07:14
RiddellTomasuAway: well done07:14
shadeslayerone sec...07:16
shadeslayerbug 51382507:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 513825 in karmic-backports "Please backport kopete-facebook" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51382507:16
TomasuAwayRiddell: so what repo was I supposed to use? the us lucid mirror multiplex didnt seem to give me 4.4, I was stuck with 4.3.9x or which ever (RC3)07:17
shadeslayerRiddell: ^^07:18
shadeslayerRiddell: i might have to leave anytime... so any other info you need?07:20
shadeslayerok well bye...07:21
apacheloggerScottK: ^07:23
RiddellTomasuAway: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/ but it's still compiling07:34
TomasuAwayah, I thought you meant it was uploaded to lucid earlier today07:35
ghostcubeehlo humans :) and ninjas07:42
serenityhi. In the kubuntu-backports-ppa now complete, or are there any missing packages yet?08:46
serenityoh, i've just seen it. There is only l10n in it08:47
apacheloggerRiddell: I cant retry kdebase builds in staging :(09:12
apacheloggerlp comes up with error09:12
apacheloggerI feel lost09:16
* serenity reaches apachelogger a cookie09:17
apacheloggerserenity: thx :)09:18
apacheloggerRiddell, Lex79: it seems kdeplasma-addons was binary copied from ninja and thus links against all sorts of a and b versions09:19
apacheloggeruploading ppa209:19
apacheloggersame issue for utils09:34
apacheloggersomething is still wrong about kdebase :S09:40
Tm_TRiddell: you're aware that http://kde.org/info/4.4.0.php#binary has link to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-1 ?10:43
Quintasanapachelogger: hngh10:53
apacheloggerok I dont get it11:42
apacheloggereither soyuz is super silly or I am11:42
apacheloggerwell, I need to get some rest, if someone could look into utils, addons and kdebase I think the packages should be good11:52
apacheloggerdidn't hit no file conflicts here anyway11:52
jussi01apachelogger: definately you :P14:36
jussi01so anyone care to tell me how the builds are going on 4.4 karmic?14:37
Quintasanjussi01: not good14:37
jussi01Quintasan: :(14:37
QuintasanSoyuz is stupid as hell and won't find kdebase-workspace-bin package even though its there14:37
* jussi01 is hoping to have a nice karmic 4.4 version for the release party tomorrow14:37
* jussi01 cries14:38
neversfeldeI added the akonadiserver startup fix, that upstream suggested to include on the packagers list. Will also do this for the Karmic backport in staging.14:47
Quintasanneversfelde: awesome, but again, how the hell we are supposed to release when PPA fails :/14:52
neversfeldeQuintasan: PPA fails?14:53
Quintasanneversfelde: last time I checked it kdebase still fails on karmic's build14:53
Quintasansays kdebase-workspace-bin will not be installed14:53
Quintasanoh awesome14:54
Quintasannow LPIA only faisl14:54
neversfeldeRiddell fixed this, it was a problem with kdebindings14:54
Quintasanneversfelde: not on lpia14:56
neversfeldemhh, you are right, some packages failed in staging14:57
Quintasanmake fails at some point14:57
neversfeldeQuintasan: no kdebase-runtime package in staging, I'll fix it15:08
apacheloggerI did see runtime in staging?15:37
neversfeldeapachelogger: I uploaded it a few minutes ago15:37
apacheloggerno, I meant earlier15:37
apacheloggeroh well15:37
apacheloggerwho knows15:38
markeyapachelogger: hey ho. got any ETA for 4.4. packages, with Qt 4.6.1?15:38
markeyI could really put that to good use now, need 4.6.1 for work15:38
neversfeldeit wasn't there, probably someone copied ofer 4.4.0b and removed it, because the b has to go first. At least there is a diff to 4.4.0b.15:38
apacheloggermarkey: nope, we are trying to sort the last few packages15:40
apacheloggerneversfelde: in that case that might be the root of all evil15:40
neversfeldeapachelogger: yes, everything should build after kdebase-runtime is finished15:41
neversfeldeI hope :)15:41
markeygot an idea how long it could take, approximately?15:44
markeyit would spare me rebuilding Qt15:44
markey(takes ages)15:44
apacheloggermarkey: 6 hrs granted the issue neversfelde fixed is the one that causes troubles15:45
markeyah ok15:45
markeyapachelogger: is Qt itself already packaged?15:45
apacheloggercould be ealier, depending ont he traffic of PPA builds15:45
markeyI could upgrade Qt first, I guess15:45
apacheloggermarkey: unlikely, from my experience intermixing Qt with older versions of KDE is like jumping of a bridge15:46
apacheloggerbut if you care to try it.... ;)15:46
markeyhmm yeah, I was wondering that too, if that would work out well15:46
markeycould go wrong15:46
markeyso maybe I'll better wait for the complete thing15:47
Riddellwhat's the crack?16:23
nixternalbuild problems this morning or what?16:25
nixternalmy inbox was loaded with messages16:26
apacheloggerplasma-addons is looking good now16:35
apacheloggerutils is dep-wait on kdebase16:35
apacheloggerkdebase is also building16:36
apacheloggerRiddell, nixternal: seems that neversfelde's kdebase-runtime upload fixed all remaining build issues, so we can proceed to install testing soonish16:37
neversfeldekdebindings will probably fail for lpia16:37
apacheloggerwell, screw lpia for now :P16:37
apacheloggerneversfelde: btw, I think I searched for "runtime" hence I got a hit on kdepim-runtime, which I apparently read as base :S16:37
apacheloggeroh wellz, time for my shot16:38
Riddellnobody uses lpia we don't care about it16:39
Riddellseele: what's the plan for this evening?16:40
seeleRiddell: well.. chuck sent out an eamil cancelling the meeting.. i'm pretty sure maco is on the list16:41
seeleRiddell: he might reschedule it for tomorrow night, but wont know until later16:41
Quintasanapachelogger, neversfelde: ping me when I can start upgrading16:42
Quintasanboth Lucid and Karmic -_-16:42
shtylman_virtuoso has a dependency cycle16:45
shtylman_any known fix for that?16:46
shtylman_in lucid that is16:47
binarylooksshtylman_: i did a sudo apt-get install virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin16:47
binarylooksthen the aptitude update full-upgrade worked again16:47
shtylman_binarylooks: cool16:47
binarylooksshtylman_: but now I have a dpkg error in update-initramfs for the kernel16:48
binarylookssome firmware.sh not found :-(16:48
maco2seele: im not on the calug list16:49
shtylman_binarylooks: same16:50
shtylman_binarylooks: not sure how to get around that yet16:50
binarylooksshtylman_: s**t, it's stuck now, manual dpkg --configure -a does not resolve it.16:50
shtylman_binarylooks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/51985516:50
seelehe posted it on ubuntu planet and twitter too..16:50
ubottuUbuntu bug 519855 in udev "update-initramfs fails: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh does not exist" [High,Triaged]16:50
seeleand ubuntu-md16:51
seelenot -dc though16:51
binarylooksseele: thanks, thats a communication channel overkill :-)16:51
apacheloggerkdebase done, kdeplasma-addons done, kdepim in progress, kdeutils retried17:04
daskreechshtylman: install virtuosoconverter17:05
apacheloggerneversfelde: ko 2.1.1 was already copied somewhere, wasnt it?17:05
neversfeldeapachelogger: no, I have to fix some install files17:06
neversfeldedelete it, if it is a problem, ich can reupload17:06
apacheloggerok, better to delete it, than accidently copy it along with KDE 4.4 I guess17:06
shtylman_Riddell: line 19 of ethais.xml (the kdm theme) has "background=true", this needs to be removed otherwise the rectangle gets shown on all desktops in a multi monitor setup17:10
shtylman_not sure where you guys keep the patches for that so I figured telling you about that little change would be easier :)17:10
Quintasanapachelogger: well if we don't care about lpia can't Riddell copy packages over already?17:11
Quintasanwhy so?17:11
apacheloggerpim and utils are still building + we need QA17:11
Quintasanoh I see17:12
QuintasanQA _-_17:12
Quintasanapachelogger: sounds little funny coming from you :P17:12
apacheloggerhow so?17:13
QuintasanI just remembered someone ranting about lack of QA and someone said we never done that in past, if I'm not mistaken it wast you :P17:13
apacheloggerthere was sensible QA done :P17:14
apacheloggerat the time I had ultimate control over the publishing process17:14
* apachelogger piped packages through all sorts of testing VMs before uploading17:15
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Quintasanlooks like we are calling for trouble with 4.4 :P17:15
TroubleSomeone want some trouble? ;-)17:16
* Quintasan sents Trouble to apachelogger17:16
neversfeldekdeutils i386 is still waiting for libkonq5-dev17:16
* Trouble sits on apachelogger17:17
apacheloggerneversfelde: just leave it like that17:17
apacheloggershould go into retry any minute now17:17
* apachelogger notes that dep-wait retries seem to go to buildd immediately, while regular retry goes into the regular score chain17:17
apacheloggerthat is based of a most recent observation though ;)17:18
* Quintasan notes he sould read less and work more17:18
Quintasandamn those visual novels, and at first I said - "Who the hell is reading this?!"17:18
apacheloggerneversfelde: do we even have a release nus ready?17:20
neversfeldeapachelogger: no idea, I can have a look at it17:20
neversfeldein a few minutes17:20
* Quintasan can write17:20
Quintasanbut I'm not sure if it will be good :P17:21
QuintasanWe are going to put it in backports?17:21
neversfelde4:4.4.0a-0ubuntu1.1~ppa2 is not overridden by the official 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 package. Why do we do this :(.17:21
apacheloggerneversfelde: huh?17:22
neversfeldeapachelogger: this is kdebase-workspace17:22
neversfeldeI tested the upgrade from ninja ppa17:22
apacheloggerwell, the thing is, from my experience it is a bad idea to upgrade the own system via ninja ppa :S17:23
neversfeldesame problem for kdebase-runtime17:23
* Quintasan hits apachelogger17:23
neversfeldeapachelogger: someone has to test it ;)17:23
apacheloggerwell yeah17:23
apacheloggervia VM or chroot17:23
Quintasanbackports, staging ppa, updates ppa or where?17:23
apacheloggerQuintasan: backports if I am not mistaken17:23
QuintasanI have lucid VM and my system is running Karmic17:23
apacheloggerof course my demands for a clear policy on this did not lead to a written down policy17:24
apacheloggerso I suppose it is up to whomever decides to move the pkgs17:24
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apacheloggerNightrose: where does one put once picture for the new user_conf.php thingy on kde.org?17:25
apacheloggermeh, my back is killing me, bbiab17:25
* Trouble stops sitting on apachelogger17:26
Nightroseapachelogger: not sure tbh17:26
Nightroseapachelogger: *hug*17:26
Quintasanapachelogger: shall I also mention virtuosoconverter?17:26
Nightrosethere is a userpics dit in /www or so17:26
Nightroseprobably there17:26
binarylooksif you should need QA testers from staging. i'm up for mischief17:27
Quintasanwho do I poke with news for kubuntu.org?17:29
TroubleI'm willing to install from Staging too when the problems are ironed out and everything is built :-p17:30
binarylooks(libkonq5 still missing)17:30
seeleRiddell: i think justin is going to suggest doing the talks on Friday at Fudruckers17:31
maco2seele: i'll tell him17:32
neversfeldeapachelogger: I think we should retry kdeutils i386?17:32
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apacheloggerneversfelde: go ahead17:33
Quintasanapachelogger: I wrote announcement, bit of copypasta but who cares? :P17:33
apacheloggerQuintasan: is that thingy necessary for karmic?17:34
apacheloggerQuintasan: neversfelde will care :P17:34
Quintasanthat thingy?17:34
Quintasanif you have used virtuoso 5.0.12 you sure will17:34
Quintasansince the database format has changed in Virtuoso 617:34
apacheloggerlet me rephrase that17:35
binarylooksisn't libkonq5 neede for kdeutils?17:35
neversfeldeamd64 is finished17:35
apacheloggerdid we deploy karmic packages with virtuoso 5.017:35
neversfeldeI think we did17:36
Quintasanvirtuoso-opensource 5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa117:36
Quintasanin Kubuntu Beta Backports17:36
neversfelde virtuoso-opensource - 5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa117:36
Quintasanwe must have done it since KDE now depends on virtuoso17:37
Quintasansesame won't longer work17:37
apacheloggerQuintasan: it does not17:37
apacheloggeryou can build without17:37
Quintasanbur most of nepomuk features will not work17:38
Quintasanshall I add HTML formatting tags so it will be just copy paste after we are ready?17:39
apacheloggerQuintasan: the question is if they did not work18:00
apacheloggerbecause only if we made a kde 4.4 beta/rc deployment with virt 5.0 we need to advertise the converter to karmic users18:00
apacheloggerotherwise we can just ignore it18:00
apacheloggerneversfelde: am I right that all packages are built (besides utils which is about to be finished)?18:01
neversfeldeapachelogger: looks good18:01
binarylooksi still get:   ark: Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.0a) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed.18:02
neversfeldeI'll have a look18:03
Quintasanapachelogger: I think anyone who installed KDE from beta backports has virtuoso 5.0.1218:03
apacheloggernew x86 is not built18:03
Quintasanthen it must be mentioned18:04
apacheloggerold pkgs are still published18:04
Quintasanapachelogger: I still have 5.0.12 installed18:04
apacheloggerI did not :P\18:04
neversfeldeeverything is fine with kdeutils18:05
Quintasanapachelogger: well anyways I have the announcement ready18:05
apacheloggerneversfelde might want to read it18:06
Quintasanneversfelde: http://pastebin.com/f72f85d7018:06
TroubleIt was announced in the news for KDE 4.4 RC2 on kubuntu.org that "For both Lucid and Karmic, virtuoso packages are available. Install both the virtuoso-server and virtuoso-drivers packages to enable Nepomuk support."18:07
shtylman_Riddell: so I tried to bzr branch the kdebase-workspace to make the changes to the debian patches and then do a merge request... but the ethais files are in some .tar.gz.uu and im not entirely sure how to handle that18:07
QuintasanTrouble: makes sense, anyways the tool is needed18:07
neversfeldeQuintasan: KDE Software Compilation 4.4.0 in Backports18:08
neversfeldein Backports?18:08
TroubleI don't have virtuoso installed either :-P18:08
QuintasanI also think we ought to get virtuoso to main18:08
binarylooks(shouldn't we start promoting sudo add-apt-repository?)18:08
Quintasanneversfelde: and where do you think they are going to be put after QA? :P18:08
neversfeldeQuintasan: Backports PPA18:08
Quintasanoh lawd18:08
Quintasanmakes sense18:09
Quintasanmy mistake18:09
Quintasansilly Quintasan18:09
apacheloggeroh well18:09
Riddellshtylman_: it's uuencoded, debian packages can only manage ascii files18:09
Riddellshtylman_: see the commands in debian/rules for how to decode18:10
apacheloggerwho else wants to test 4.4.0 for karmic?18:10
QuintasanI do18:10
Riddellshtylman_: what changes are needed?18:10
binarylooksMe too. testing ahoy18:10
soee_apachelogger: can i test it?18:10
maco2apachelogger: my tests say kipiplugins go boom18:10
apacheloggermarkey: ^18:10
TroubleI'm in for testing... Downloading now18:10
maco2apachelogger: it wants libkdcraw7 4.3.2 and we have libkdcraw8 4.4.0 in staging18:11
apacheloggerdont forget to remove the ppa after you are done again, otherwise you might end up with issues at some point :)18:11
binarylooksi still have   ark: Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.0a) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed.18:11
binarylooks in staging18:11
apacheloggermaco2: that is because some silly packager made a lib pkg contain data files18:11
neversfeldeQuintasan: we have templates for the news, so no need to write it somwhere in a pastebin18:11
apacheloggerneversfelde: can you prepare a kipiplugin upload?18:12
apacheloggerit needs to be rebuilt against 4.4.018:12
Quintasanneversfelde: well, I rarley visit our homepage so I dunno :P18:12
shtylman_Riddell: line 19 of the ethais.xml has background=true18:12
maco2apachelogger: im actualy using ninjas not staging ppa right now, but theyve the same contents18:12
shtylman_that needs to be removed otherwise the center rectangle shows on each screen with multiple monitors18:12
Quintasan500 mb18:13
maco2neversfelde: i think the depends line needs to change on that upload because libkdcraw8 conflicts: libkdcraw718:13
Riddellshtylman_: so uudecode, untar, edit, retar, uuencode tarfile tarfile > tarfile.uu18:14
apacheloggerjust rebuild18:14
apacheloggerall good18:14
apacheloggerneversfelde: ^18:14
maco2why? are there magic macros somewhere?18:14
shtylman_Riddell: ok... I will try that :)18:14
neversfeldeapachelogger: one moment, I will have a look at it after I prepared the news18:14
QuintasanI'd better move my .kde somewhere and start over fresh18:15
binarylooks(i just ignored the ark 4.3.95 error)18:16
apacheloggermaco2: that stuff is defined by shlibs?!18:16
soee_i have 2 updates blocked ark and the virtuoso-server18:17
apacheloggeryou do not need virtuoso-server18:17
markeyapachelogger: awesome :) you reckon it's safe to upgrade? can't risk bricking my workstation right now ;)18:17
TroubleArk is being kept back for me too18:17
maco2apachelogger: oooohmagic then18:17
apacheloggermarkey: only issues at this point are held back packages or file conflicts18:18
apacheloggernothing that cant be sorted though18:18
maco2markey: do you define "bricked" as "no working GUI"?18:18
binarylookserrors encountered in kdebase-workspace.bin kdebase-workspace plasma-desktop18:19
markeymaco2: well, I mean, just generally. crashing, not working, etc18:19
apacheloggerbinarylooks: define errors18:19
binarylookswhich fild do you need18:19
apacheloggerall the output?18:19
QuintasanI personally think KAlarm should use KDE notfications instead of ugly popup window18:20
Quintasanit's not even at center of screen18:20
binarylooksapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/373392/18:20
maco2apachelogger: Riddell says "but these libraries are versioned -dev for some reason"  (i dont fully know what this means)18:21
apacheloggeryes, so they can be used along each other :P18:22
apacheloggerthough right18:22
apacheloggerneversfelde: build-dep needs to be changed18:22
apacheloggeroh well18:22
neversfeldeok, news prepared18:23
neversfeldeQuintasan: I changed it a bit18:23
binarylooksapachelogger: after doing another aptitude full-upgrade:18:24
apacheloggerErrors were encountered while processing:18:24
apachelogger /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1_all.deb18:24
apacheloggerE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)18:24
Quintasanneversfelde: awesome :)18:24
neversfeldeI have to go out for 15 min, brb18:24
binarylooksnow ark is there18:25
binarylooksand success:18:25
* Quintasan wishes for better konq performance18:26
apacheloggerdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):18:26
apachelogger trying to overwrite '/usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.policy', which is also in package ksysguard 4:4.3.95-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa218:26
binarylooksrestarting now18:26
apacheloggerbugy found, in the most inappropriate package -.-18:26
TroubleYou're right, Ark is no longer kept back18:26
Quintasanapachelogger: it really should be in ksysguard, I wonder how to they manage to introduce problems like this18:27
QuintasanRiddell: okay, gluon's refactor was completed, I will upload package today18:28
apacheloggerQuintasan: it looks more like a missing replaces18:28
binarylooksapart from the netwrokmanager crash at shutdown everything worked nicely18:28
binarylooks(dual screen splash ok)18:29
binarylooksQt: 4.6.118:29
binarylooksKDE Development Platform: 4.4.00 (KDE 4.4.0)18:29
Quintasanhmm I need to get rid of dbg packages18:31
Quintasantoo much downloading18:31
Quintasantime for some classical music I guess18:33
binarylookswell changing plasma themes too often makes plasma or kwin crash but this was known for the final realise18:35
Quintasanapachelogger: I can't catch JontheEchidna lately, do you know if he's busy with exams or something?18:36
apacheloggermaybe just busy in general18:37
apacheloggerneversfelde, Quintasan: workspace... as I see it ksysguard needs to replace -data << 4.4.018:37
apacheloggergotta go18:38
neversfeldewhat needs to be done with kipi-plugins?18:38
neversfeldeI cannot test anything, only Lucid here18:38
Quintasankwin just crashed18:39
shtylman_thats unfortunate18:46
neversfeldemaco2, apachelogger: I copied over digikam and kipi-plugins from the beta-backports PPA, I think this is enough18:55
neversfeldecan someone have a look at that kdebase problem?19:00
Quintasanworks really nice19:01
TroubleOk, all 4.4 packages installed, after apt-get -f install (after the initial install failed with the kdebase-workspace-data problem apachelogger found)19:02
QuintasanRiddell: awesome news, uim provides a plasma widget for input method :P19:02
neversfeldeok, I make workspace replace data << 4.4.0 then19:03
* shtylman_ my next goal will be a flipping clock screensaver :)19:03
neversfeldeerr ksysguard19:04
Lex79neversfelde: 4:4.4.0 (not 4.4.0)19:04
neversfeldeLex79: yes, ofcourse19:05
Lex79ok ;)19:05
KDeskneversfelde: why not digikam version 1.1?19:06
neversfeldeKDesk: well, someone has to backport it first, if it is already in Karmic19:07
TroubleWoo yay19:09
TroubleUpgraded from 4.4 rc2 to 4.4 stable successfuly19:10
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JontheEchidnaQuintasan: a bit busier than usual, but also the college'20:12
JontheEchidnas stupid IT dept. has a crapton of ports blocked20:13
JontheEchidnaI guess I could try using... *shudder* web IRC20:13
QuintasanJontheEchidna: well I hoped if you have some time you could help me with icecc20:14
Quintasanbut I need to stop being lazy and fix network on the second machine20:14
JontheEchidnawhat do you need help with?20:14
QuintasanJontheEchidna: icecc failed to connect somehow, I've tried changing IP of scheduler but that didn't help. I've got a new router and I have a different subnet but I was too lazy to fix it on other machine20:15
* apachelogger is feeling like crap20:16
apacheloggeroh, neversfelde did workspace \o/20:16
Quintasanlol, I read "apachelogger is feeling like carp"20:16
apacheloggersoon we shall have 4.420:16
persiaJontheEchidna: ssh-over-port-80 :)20:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: 2 thoughts on the port blockage: tunnel via ssh; throw with stones after the dept. members20:17
apacheloggerblocking irc is so silly20:17
JontheEchidnathey block smtp too :/20:18
JontheEchidnawhich leads me to believe they have a stupid whitelist of ports or something20:18
apacheloggerssl'ed smtp too?20:18
apacheloggerbecause that is also so silly20:18
JontheEchidnadunno, haven't messed with that20:18
* apachelogger would block plain smtp for sure :P20:18
JontheEchidnayeah, smtp + ssl20:19
apacheloggermaybe the use microsoft's firewall solution of which I forgot the name20:19
apacheloggerthat thingy comes with a wonderful 100% lockdown and one must unlock all sorts of crap20:20
apacheloggerfortunately for stuff like pop and smtp that is only a load of work, for everything else it is a shitload of work20:20
KDeskpython-kde4 (from the staging repo) depends on python2.5. Why 2.5 and not 2.6?20:21
* apachelogger will not apply his python loving charm here :P20:23
apacheloggerintersting indeed though20:23
apacheloggerKDesk: might be inherited from debian20:26
apacheloggerto me it seems like python-qt4 deps on 2.5, hence -kde4 deps on it as well20:27
JontheEchidnathe kdebindings packaging was synec recently20:28
apacheloggerwell, I think someone should look at it20:29
apacheloggerme being recently fallen in love with ecmascript is not that someone :P20:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, the plasma scripting stuff is total fun20:30
apacheloggerI always found plasma to be a fun software20:30
apacheloggeralways the crashing and stuff :P20:30
apacheloggerbut the limitations of that scripting is just about the most awesome bit :P20:31
Riddellpython-kde4 and python-qt4 both depend on libpython2.6 and python >= 2.5 < 2.720:31
Riddellso that's fine20:31
* apachelogger has no clue how to script the adding of a tray widget AND the automagic enabling of widget embedding into said tray20:31
JontheEchidnaI think Riddell was working with upstream to work out the tray widget magic20:31
Riddellapachelogger: see the script in kubuntu-default-settings20:31
apacheloggerRiddell: where?20:32
Riddellin bzr20:32
apacheloggeryeah, where :P20:33
Riddellassuming I committed it20:33
Riddellshare/apps/plasma-desktop/init or something20:33
apacheloggerI commited something yesterday :P20:33
apacheloggerRiddell: but how did you do the embedding? from what I have seen there is no solution to that?20:33
Riddellapachelogger: you have to set the config variabled manually20:33
Riddellto match what would be in plasma-desktoprc20:34
apacheloggerwhat would be in the rc is an applet itself from what I have seen today20:34
apacheloggerRiddell: can you please commit something.... I have no clue how one would master something like that up with the limited API at hand20:37
apacheloggerpossibly one could hack the rc file manually and then trigger a config reload of the tray widget20:38
apacheloggerbut that also involves headache since one needs to get an appropriate id for the subapplet20:38
Riddellapachelogger: committed20:43
Riddellif possibly incorrectly20:43
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Riddellso are we good for 4.4 in karmic now?20:44
Riddellno, waiting on -workspace to publish20:45
apacheloggerneversfelde: is the nus good to go?20:45
apacheloggerRiddell: I do not think that is save .... systray.currentConfigGroup = new Array("Applets", "1");20:46
apacheloggeras I see it the id must be unique20:47
Riddellfor a new one it should be safe20:47
Riddellupgrade lesss so20:47
neversfeldeapachelogger: it probably needs some polishing. A Screenshot would be nice and a better explanation of this virtuosoconverter thing would be nice20:47
neversfeldeI have some screenshots here http://people.ubuntu.com/~neversfelde/20:47
apacheloggerRiddell: well it does not get executed for updates anyway20:47
apacheloggerRiddell: but unless plasma corrects the id automagically this should lead to applets with duplicated id shouldnt it?20:48
neversfeldethey are for kubuntu-de.org, but I think it is no problem, if we use them here, too20:48
Riddellapachelogger: no but we need an upgrade script to move the relevant plasmoids into the systray20:48
apacheloggerRiddell: I am not sure we want to do that20:49
apacheloggerfar too high risk of failure + users might wanna eat us for touching their precious layout :S20:49
Riddellit should be possible to do it without risk of failure20:50
apacheloggerwhat if 2 panels are present?20:50
apacheloggerwhat if 2 trays in one panel?20:50
apacheloggerwhat if 2 panels with 2 battery plasmoids? (say dual screen setup)20:50
apachelogger2 trays too there20:51
binarylooksneversfelde: there is a crash report in the systray for the first screenshot. i think this is not good marketing :-)20:51
apacheloggerRiddell: if you only touch the panel at pos 0 in the array it looks inconsitent and otherwise stuff might break20:51
Riddellfor each panel, if it has a systray move battery/message indicator/device notifier plasmoids on that panel into the first systray20:52
neversfeldebinarylooks: it is a development version, so this is no problem, I think :)20:52
apachelogger+ the first panel might not even be the main panel, thus the one changes to would make least sense (again dual screen, I noticed plasma does not shift the main activity to the main screen but creates a new activity there20:52
apacheloggerRiddell: serisouly, I would prefer to not temper with the upgrade magic for anything but the indicator20:53
zegenie+1 for not trying to mess with existing layouts20:53
apacheloggerin fact I would prefer not do it at all20:53
apacheloggerbad feelings I have about it20:54
Riddellyou'd get to play with ecmascript :)20:54
apacheloggerletz port them silly python plasmoids to ecmascript instead :P20:54
apacheloggerless dangerous20:55
Riddellyo, -workspace is published20:55
Riddellwe're good to go for 4.4?20:55
binarylooksneversfelde: i think there should be a feeling of stability for the karmic people at least. Like a "i'm coming home" effect20:55
Riddellneversfelde: you happy for me to copy over to backports?20:56
apacheloggerbinarylooks: those people that know that icon, used pre-release kubuntu versions, hence I doubt they will care about unstability :P20:56
neversfeldeRiddell: Blizzz is testing atm, we should wait for that20:56
binarylooksapachelogger: you're the boss :-)20:57
Riddellfor asdf in akonadi attica digikam eigen2 gluon kde4libs kdeaccessibility kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepim kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils kdewebdev kipi-plugins kubuntu-meta libattica libdbusmenu-qt libmsn libssh oxygen-icons phonon-backends polkit-qt python-qt4 qscintilla2 qt4-x11 shared-desktop-ontologies sip4-qt3 sopra20:58
Riddellcommand is ready to go ^^20:59
soeejust do it :)20:59
apacheloggertesting comes first! :P20:59
soeeok :]20:59
binarylooksis QA really assured ?20:59
binarylooksQA (=quick action) in this case :-)21:00
apacheloggerthat I said21:01
* apachelogger tries to get some nice drug for his cough21:02
* Mamarok slides some cough medicine down the bar for apachelogger21:03
* Mamarok ponders making an ubottu factoid for "when is KDE 4.4 ready?"21:04
apacheloggerMamarok: thx21:07
Mamarokgah, these kids in #kubuntu are really impatient to get KDE SC 4.4 :)21:12
maco2aptitude full-upgrade gets unhappy about libkabcommon4 but apt-get dist-upgrade is fine21:12
RiddellI conclude that apt-get is better21:12
apacheloggerit so much is :)21:13
apacheloggeron the other hand21:15
apacheloggermaco2, Riddell: if there was an intermediate file conflict it would be disappearing at second rund21:16
maco2running aptitude full-upgrade again still gets:21:17
maco2  libkabcommon4: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed.21:17
apacheloggersilly beast21:17
maco2well i guess its doing the right thing to offer to remove it as thats a now-obsolete package, but maybe it shouldnt pretend that such is breakage21:18
nixternalanyone else experiencing horrid fonts in 4.4?21:19
apacheloggernixternal: anywhere in particular?21:20
nixternalI have used ProFontWindows for years, and it was absolutely perfect, small text21:20
nixternalnow, it is bigger, and everything tends to get cut off21:20
apacheloggercutting there is indeed21:20
nixternalit does it with iconsolata and droid as well21:21
nixternalliberation mono is fine21:21
apacheloggerdejavu here21:21
maco2oh no, and youre having me install this??21:21
nixternalliberation mono looks like shit though21:21
apacheloggersomeone should go talk with upstream... ;)21:21
ubottuPlease watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.21:21
nixternalouch, dejavu looks shitty too21:22
apacheloggersadly dejavu is default21:22
Riddellooh nixternal, you'll make maco make me do the bot thing again!21:22
nixternalRiddell: I can't see everything you are saying, as the text is getting cut off21:22
Riddellubuntu desktop is installing liberation in lucid I believe21:22
nixternalsee something about you, maco, and a bot...sounds kinky to me21:22
nixternalI am using karmic here21:23
* maco2 would like to note that there is no bot in bed with us right now21:23
maco2!  i wasnt actually going to send that, but Riddell reached over and smacked the return key21:24
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:24
maco2Riddell: good job now you silenced the channel21:26
apacheloggermaco2: are you upgrading already?21:28
Riddellshe is21:29
* Quintasan got smooth update21:29
apacheloggerBlizzz ran into troubles, though we were unable to debug because he used silly aptitude and all :P21:29
Quintasanmaybe because I moved .kde and copied only KTorrent data21:29
QuintasanAnyone is using Yakuake?21:30
binarylooksapachelogger: I also used aptitude, but never again. I forsake aptitiude from hereon21:30
QuintasanI'd like to report a bug but I'm not sure anyone can reproduce it21:30
Quintasanneversfelde: try setting a different profile for Yakuake21:30
* apachelogger hands binarylooks a cookie21:30
Quintasanneversfelde: close it and the open Konsole21:30
Quintasanneversfelde: Try messing with transparaency cause that's easy to notice21:31
binarylooksoooo, my first cookie :-)21:31
Quintasanneversfelde: the problem I have is that Yakuake uses Konsole's profile not matter what I change in Yakuake21:31
Quintasanbinarylooks: help us more and you will get more21:31
* Quintasan is good at handing cookies21:31
QuintasanI'm just watching apachelogger do the hard work and then give him cookies21:32
neversfeldeQuintasan: no problem here21:32
Quintasanneversfelde: mind doing a screenshot?21:32
Quintasandamn it, the most important thing now is not working, wtf I'm doing wrong21:34
Quintasanmaybe restart will help21:34
binarylooksQuintasan: i'll try21:35
neversfeldeQuintasan: http://imagebin.ca/view/gPwZnEP.html21:37
Quintasanneversfelde: thanks, mind telling me what hacks did you use?21:37
neversfeldeQuintasan: I simply created a new profile and use it21:38
Quintasanneversfelde: do you change to it manually?21:38
neversfeldeQuintasan: yes21:38
Quintasanthat's what I want to avoid21:38
Quintasanneversfelde: can you try setting the different profile in Yakuake as default and restart it?21:39
neversfeldeQuintasan: it was defaukt21:39
* apachelogger is waiting for maco2 or Riddell to say something about that upgrade21:39
apachelogger<- nervous wreck21:39
nixternalapachelogger: upgrade went fine on both lucid and karmic, except for the fonts21:41
nixternalthey look like shite21:41
apacheloggerpossibly they are tied up with their bot :D21:41
apacheloggernixternal: no file conflicts on karmic?21:41
Riddellmaco is logging in now21:41
* binarylooks changed keybindings for refresh to F6...F5 exists no more21:41
nixternalapachelogger: none21:41
apacheloggerRiddell: no file conflicts?21:41
apacheloggerin that case21:41
apacheloggerRiddell: 4.4 is ready to go to backports ppa21:41
nixternaloh, this is annoying...fonts in gtk apps are bad as well21:42
apacheloggernixternal: might be Qt problem21:42
nixternalW M <- these 2 letters are blurry as hell21:42
apacheloggernixternal: considering you use qtcurve21:42
nixternalI don't use qtcurve21:42
nixternalerr, for gtk apps21:43
apacheloggerthen it is the weird21:43
* Riddell runs the copy command21:43
nixternalyeah, it is qtcurve for gtk21:43
nixternalbut the fonts are insanely large21:43
apacheloggerneversfelde: the news is on kubuntu.org already?21:44
neversfeldeapachelogger: yes21:44
apacheloggerI mean in the cms21:44
Quintasanneversfelde: I don't really get it, if you close yakuake and run it again you still have solid color background and when you run konsole it's transparent WITHOUT changing profiles?21:44
apacheloggernow if only I had the login data :D21:44
apacheloggerah, maybe I do after all21:44
apacheloggerI think the news should be spiced up :P21:47
apacheloggergood enough for now though21:47
NCommanderRiddell: thanks for the upload of kdebindings; glad I could help sort that out21:51
apacheloggerRiddell: backports is exploding21:55
apacheloggerRepository size:21:55
apachelogger10.1 GiB (100.00%) of 10.0 GiB21:55
apacheloggerRiddell: maybe we should drop the jaunty stuff?21:55
Riddellfine with me21:56
Quintasandamn you Yakuake21:59
Riddellshall I publish the news story neversfelde?22:00
RiddellI added an image22:00
neversfeldeRiddell: if it is ok for you, publish it :)22:01
KDeskRiddell: but python-kde4 also depends on python2.5 (>= 2.5). It installs python2.5, and I already have python2.622:02
RiddellKDesk: hmm right, so it does22:03
Riddellwell it still runs fine so we'll not worry immediately22:03
Riddellta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4 !22:07
Riddellwell done all22:07
MamarokRiddell: I was doing the same :)22:08
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=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: 4.4 is done <3 | Kubuntu has the Doctor on the brain | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Oustanding merges: merges.ubuntu.com or http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~lucas/merges.html (MoM fixed)
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* Quintasan hands cookies to everyone22:09
Mamarokcongrats everyone :)22:09
binarylooksyay, my second cookie :-)22:09
RiddellMamarok: you win :)22:09
soeenice, gratz all :)22:09
Riddell"KDevelop4 Beta8 uploaded" no rest for us!22:09
binarylookswe should get the "Doctor"22:10
neversfeldeand kbluetooth 0.4.122:10
neversfeldeoh, it is already in Lucid :)22:11
QuintasanI was just about to grab the source22:11
* apachelogger goes back to being sick22:11
* Quintasan gives apachelogger tea22:11
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markeyyay guys22:16
markeycongrats for packages :)22:16
QuintasanI really wonder wth they added Kopete runner when it doesn't work22:16
markeyand thanks :)22:16
* markey hugs apachelogger, in a manly way22:16
Quintasanapachelogger: ya using Kopete?22:19
Quintasanhe's sick :P22:20
Quintasanmarkey: are you using kopete?22:20
markeyQuintasan: not currently22:20
Quintasanmarkey: okay, if you have some time to spare I'd like to test something22:21
markeyspare time is rare atm, sorry22:21
Quintasanno problems, minor issue though22:22
nixternalhrmm, not bad. Switched to Liberation Mono at 5.4 :)  nice and small, and it actually looks someone decent22:25
daskreechQuintasan: It works22:32
daskreechit just works in a profundly stupid way22:33
daskreechnixternal: Who is the someone?22:33
nixternalsomewhat decent22:33
Quintasandaskreech: how come?22:34
Quintasandaskreech: I type contact name and it doesn't work22:34
Quintasanwhile the one I packaged (plasma-runner-kopete) works22:34
nixternaldolphin would be slick if you could create plugins for it like you could do for konqueror22:34
daskreechQuintasan: it does you just have to wait like a minute22:35
Quintasandaskreech: plasma-runner-kopete works in a matter of seconds and I contacted upstream for it and he said he has more speed improvements in GIT22:36
daskreechThe Kopete interface doesn't allow querys of a string so it has to pull every single possible contact from Kopete (for each letter you type) then order them and do substring searches on the entire list after it gets delivered over dbus22:36
seeleRiddell: Chuck is going to move the CALUG/MD Loco meeting to Friday at Fudruckers during the 4.4 release party22:37
nixternalooh fudruckers...i totally hate that place22:38
Quintasandaskreech: I do belive that they should go to hell with that type of runner22:39
soeeguys any idea when kubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 will be released ?22:44
Quintasanfreinhard: \o22:44
freinhardanyone with a umts/3g/whatever-modem round?22:44
tsimpsonsoee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule22:44
soeethank you tsimpson22:45
freinhardhad to kick knetworkmanager because it didn't do anything upon klicking on a connection did setup before.22:47
freinhardnm-applet kinda works, but well.. gnome in kde? that's not what i call beautiful ;)22:47
neversfeldefreinhard: do you speak german?22:48
freinhardneversfelde: jepp22:49
neversfeldefreinhard: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Tipps_und_Tricks/Aldi_UMTS_Stick_mit_Kubuntu_benutzen22:49
neversfeldethere is a workaround for the problem with knetworkmanager22:49
harolddongthere are way more virtuoso packages.  do I only need to install the virtuoso-nepomuk package or others as well?22:50
freinhardneversfelde: tried that in 4.4? i'm currently on 4.3.95 and can't update22:50
neversfeldefreinhard: works for me in 4.4 and 4.322:51
neversfeldewith 4.3.95 also afair22:51
Blizzzi think i tried it out and it also worked with 4.3.9522:51
Quintasanno sound after restart22:54
freinhardknetworkmanager is somehow strange, the popupwindow that you get when you click on the systray icon appears in the upper left corner (wtf!)22:54
freinhardbut since 1GB=50$ i guess i won't upgrade kde22:54
neversfeldefreinhard: it is fixed in 4.422:55
NCommanderfreinhard: I have one22:56
NCommanderNo SIM card in it at the moment but I can fix it22:56
Quintasanthere is something wrong with Phonon22:58
Quintasanafter restart it stopped seeing my sound output and uses only Rear speakers22:59
Quintasanseriously wtf22:59
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Quintasansomething is really wrong, KDE fails to use my device but it is present and SMPlayer works23:06
neversfeldewe need a new koffice package in the backports ppa, krita-kde4 and digikam/gwenview aren't installable side by side23:06
Quintasansame for VLC player :(23:06
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EagleScreenwill also Kubuntu lucid start to use plymouth?23:09
QuintasanLex79, Riddell: did we update phonon-backend-xine?23:10
Lex79no need23:10
QuintasanI think there is since sound doesn't works for me anymore23:10
Quintasanlet me try23:10
Lex79works here23:10
QuintasanLex79: where I can grab the newest source?23:10
Lex79there is no new source :)23:11
QuintasanLex79: my Sound Blaster suddenly blacked out in Phonon KCM after restart23:11
Quintasanthen how the hell this happened23:11
Lex79maybe something is wrong in your configuration23:11
QuintasanI didn't change anything23:12
Quintasanjust reboot after update to 4.4.023:12
Lex79no bug reports for now from my testers in the forum about karmic, dunno why23:14
Mamarokhm, I have packages kept back: kdeartwork kdetoys kscreensaver ktux23:14
Quintasanstrange, also it seems I can't compile anything using Qt dev libs23:18
Quintasanfails to find them during compiling23:18
Quintasanno, even at cmake23:18
neversfeldeLex79: no one uses koffice ;)23:19
Lex79neversfelde: why? :P23:19
neversfeldeLex79: it is broken, because of libkdraw7-dev, I switch it to libkdraw8-dev23:20
KDeskI'm curious, which is the cause for knetworkmanager to crash on logout?23:20
Lex79neversfelde: so now is fixed? or are you going to fix?23:21
neversfeldeLex79: I am going to fix it23:21
Quintasanthis is no fun :(23:23
Lex79Quintasan: I asked in my forum about sound problems, no problems there with vlc or something like23:23
Lex79are you sure you did a full upgrade? :/23:24
QuintasanLex79: there is NO problem with VLC or SMPlayer23:24
Quintasanonly KDE fails to use my default device23:25
Lex79oh, ok23:25
Quintasanit went like this after restart23:25
nixternalKDesk: when you find out, let me know as well :)  though, with 4.4.0, I just logged out a little while ago, and I don't remember it crashing...I will have to pay attention next time, especially since I have grown accustomed to keeping my finger near 'Esc' when shutting down23:27
KDesknixternal: hehe, i also keep my finger near Esc. But it only crashed onces, then I can logout and in many times without crashes until y restart the os.23:28
Quintasanhmm I get some more upgrades23:29
* freinhard whises .deb packages would use a better compression alg.23:32
QuintasanLex79: lol automagically fixed23:37
QuintasanI did nothing and it started to work23:37
Lex79uhhmmmm :D23:37
QuintasanKDE == magic23:37
Quintasanback to cpp I guess23:37
Lex79Quintasan: nah... Qt+phonon packaging by lex is magic23:38
* Quintasan hands Lex79 cookies23:38
* Quintasan hugs Lex7923:38
Quintasanawesome release23:39
QuintasanI see KDE SC taking over the world23:39
Quintasanwell, time to learn about...23:39
Lex79"I see KDE SC taking over the world", Canonical doesn't see :P23:40
QuintasanAin't it right time to take over Canonical?23:41
* Quintasan calls for insurgency23:41
* Quintasan prepares torches and some other "tools"23:41
QuintasanI might delay my plans if someone buys me a new keyboard with wrist support23:42
Lex79sabdfl ^^^23:44
Lex79uhm he's not here23:45
QuintasanTrouble: still there? please go over to Lex7923:45
Quintasanwhat a shame, this could produce some lulz23:46
QuintasanLex79: sabdfl has wrong timings to leave our chan :<23:46
Lex79or maybe not :)23:47
* Trouble creeps over to Lex7923:47
Quintasanmaybe, I can't quiet imagine him shaking over me coming for Canonical with pitchfork23:48
* Trouble presents himself to Lex7923:48
Lex79Hi Trouble :)23:48
* Quintasan notes Lex79 was really asking for trouble23:49
Lex79JontheEchidna: do you have the power to upload soprano? I don't remember..23:58
JontheEchidnaThat's one of the ones I can't :(23:59

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