[00:00] <Lex79> neversfelde: if you have to go to bed I can finish your work, just let me know
[00:01] <neversfelde> I think the karmic backport should be done in ninjas in a few minutes, but I cannot copy it over to staging today
[00:01] <neversfelde> too late
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> persia: oh wow, I made an app with an infinite while loop that makes and deletes a 5 MB pixmapcache. I toggled desktop effects and plasma-desktop crashed with a glibc :D
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> totally reproducible too
[00:02] <persia> JontheEchidna: Cool!  Which signal?
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> signal 6 I think (SIGABRT?)
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/372828/
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> interesting bits are in thread 1
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> memory corruption perhaps?
[00:04] <persia> this=0x6 is *definitely* wrong.
[00:04] <persia> (frame #14)
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[00:05] <persia> I'd have to inspect the code to be sure, but I bet there's a function call whose return value isn't checked in QHashData::free_helper
[00:06] <persia> It's usually a 3-4 line patch to wrap that sort of call in a return value checker, which sorts the bug 90% of the time.
[00:06] <persia> But since I program c++ by IRC consensus, I'll leave that to you :)
[00:14] <TomasuAway> so virtuoso 6.1 seems to have hit, but it wont install, says it cant run the pre-depend on virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin
[00:14] <TomasuAway> says it might be a dependency cycle?
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> persia: I got a different backtrace this time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/372833/
[00:16] <TomasuAway> anyone know how to fix that?
[00:18] <persia> JontheEchidna: It's the same issue: you're still calling free(0x06)
[00:18] <Lex79> TomasuAway: remove all virtuoso packages from your system and install virtuoso-nepomuk
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I wonder why 0x6. what's special about that address?
[00:18] <TomasuAway> ah
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> I fear that this will turn into a heisenbug the minute I put it to gdb
[00:20] <TomasuAway> Lex79: ok, did that. was it supposed to install the other virtuoso packages?
[00:22] <Lex79> virtuoso-nepomuk is the right package to run nepomuk in kde, and you should install virtuosoconverter package too
[00:22] <Lex79> to convert the virtuoso 5 database to virtuoso 6
[00:22] <neversfelde> worked for me
[00:23] <Lex79> what?
[00:23] <neversfelde> changing the database from 4.4 rc3 to 4.4 final and virtuosoo 6
[00:25] <Lex79> neversfelde: can you find your files indixed in dolphin? not here :(
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle.
[00:25] <neversfelde> I am not sure why, but it is working again, bangarang likes it
[00:26] <neversfelde> Lex79:?
[00:26] <Lex79> uhm? nevermind :)
[00:27]  * neversfelde is confused  again
[00:28] <neversfelde> anyway, time to sleep. n8 everyone
[00:29] <TomasuAway> I dont seem to see a virtuosoconverter package
[00:32] <Lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtuosoconverter
[00:35] <TomasuAway> thanks for the help guys, off to do the kde presentation
[00:48] <Riddell> TomasuAway: around?
[00:48] <Riddell> oh no gone
[01:01] <txwikinger> Hi Riddell.. still up?
[01:04] <Riddell> hi TomasuAway
[01:04] <Riddell> nope
[01:04] <Riddell> hi txwikinger
[01:19] <ScottK> Riddell: How's the snow.  It's really nice here in California.
[01:26] <txwikinger> ScottK: The snow here is very nice too
[01:26] <txwikinger> Man .. why is everything always working less everytime I upgrade?
[01:35] <Riddell> ScottK: deep and getting deeper
[01:35] <Riddell> txwikinger: what's up?
[01:37] <jepong> any update about KDE SC 4.4 updates?
[01:40] <Riddell> jepong: karmic or lucid?
[01:40] <jepong> karmic...
[01:40] <jepong> :-)
[01:41] <Riddell> jepong: hang around for an hour and we'll need testers
[01:42] <jepong> ok... thanks...
[01:42] <jepong> im just SO excited... you know... hehehehe
[01:46] <maco2> ScottK: Riddell and i walked ~3mi through the meter deep snow yesterday!
[01:49] <crimsun> are we supposed to be impressed? ;)
[01:53] <Riddell> and I hadn't slept in 30 hours
[01:54] <crimsun> you kids are young; that's nothing
[01:55] <Riddell> well the thing that slowed us down was me going "ooh that snow's a metre deep, what happens if I jump in it?"
[01:56] <crimsun> hah
[02:09] <maco2> i kept telling him he was going to get snow in his boots
[02:09] <maco2> finally he started whinging about having snow up his trousers
[02:10] <ryanakca> hehe :D
[04:21] <shtylman> http://www.shtylman.com/archives/164
[04:21] <shtylman> for the little things ;)
[05:48] <TomasuAway> Riddell: back now :)
[05:48] <TomasuAway> presentation went ok, cept for forgetting to install a crap load of stuff
[06:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i managed to install the package on a brand new install on a friends pc..hope that qualifies
[07:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lucid or karmic?
[07:14] <shadeslayer> karmic :)
[07:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: from ninjas?
[07:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: outdated
[07:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i filed a bug for a backport of kopete-facebook
[07:14] <Riddell> TomasuAway: well done
[07:16] <TomasuAway> thanks
[07:16] <shadeslayer> one sec...
[07:16] <shadeslayer> bug 513825
[07:17] <TomasuAway> Riddell: so what repo was I supposed to use? the us lucid mirror multiplex didnt seem to give me 4.4, I was stuck with 4.3.9x or which ever (RC3)
[07:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[07:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i might have to leave anytime... so any other info you need?
[07:21] <shadeslayer> ok well bye...
[07:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^
[07:34] <Riddell> TomasuAway: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/ but it's still compiling
[07:35] <TomasuAway> ah, I thought you meant it was uploaded to lucid earlier today
[07:42] <ghostcube> ehlo humans :) and ninjas
[08:46] <serenity> hi. In the kubuntu-backports-ppa now complete, or are there any missing packages yet?
[08:47] <serenity> oh, i've just seen it. There is only l10n in it
[09:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I cant retry kdebase builds in staging :(
[09:12] <apachelogger> lp comes up with error
[09:16] <apachelogger> uhm
[09:16] <apachelogger> I feel lost
[09:17]  * serenity reaches apachelogger a cookie
[09:18] <apachelogger> uha
[09:18] <apachelogger> serenity: thx :)
[09:19] <apachelogger> Riddell, Lex79: it seems kdeplasma-addons was binary copied from ninja and thus links against all sorts of a and b versions
[09:19] <apachelogger> uploading ppa2
[09:34] <apachelogger> same issue for utils
[09:40] <apachelogger> something is still wrong about kdebase :S
[10:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: you're aware that http://kde.org/info/4.4.0.php#binary has link to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4-rc-1 ?
[10:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: hngh
[11:42] <apachelogger> ok I dont get it
[11:42] <apachelogger> either soyuz is super silly or I am
[11:52] <apachelogger> well, I need to get some rest, if someone could look into utils, addons and kdebase I think the packages should be good
[11:52] <apachelogger> didn't hit no file conflicts here anyway
[14:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: definately you :P
[14:37] <jussi01> so anyone care to tell me how the builds are going on 4.4 karmic?
[14:37] <Quintasan> jussi01: not good
[14:37] <jussi01> Quintasan: :(
[14:37] <Quintasan> Soyuz is stupid as hell and won't find kdebase-workspace-bin package even though its there
[14:37] <Quintasan> :/
[14:37]  * jussi01 is hoping to have a nice karmic 4.4 version for the release party tomorrow
[14:38]  * jussi01 cries
[14:47] <neversfelde> I added the akonadiserver startup fix, that upstream suggested to include on the packagers list. Will also do this for the Karmic backport in staging.
[14:52] <Quintasan> neversfelde: awesome, but again, how the hell we are supposed to release when PPA fails :/
[14:53] <neversfelde> Quintasan: PPA fails?
[14:53] <Quintasan> neversfelde: last time I checked it kdebase still fails on karmic's build
[14:53] <Quintasan> says kdebase-workspace-bin will not be installed
[14:54] <Quintasan> oh awesome
[14:54] <Quintasan> now LPIA only faisl
[14:54] <Quintasan> grr
[14:54] <Quintasan> fails*
[14:54] <Quintasan> python-kde4
[14:54] <neversfelde> Riddell fixed this, it was a problem with kdebindings
[14:56] <Quintasan> neversfelde: not on lpia
[14:57] <neversfelde> mhh, you are right, some packages failed in staging
[14:57] <Quintasan> make fails at some point
[14:57] <Quintasan> :/
[15:08] <neversfelde> Quintasan: no kdebase-runtime package in staging, I'll fix it
[15:37] <apachelogger> I did see runtime in staging?
[15:37] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I uploaded it a few minutes ago
[15:37] <apachelogger> no, I meant earlier
[15:37] <apachelogger> oh well
[15:38] <apachelogger> who knows
[15:38] <markey> apachelogger: hey ho. got any ETA for 4.4. packages, with Qt 4.6.1?
[15:38] <markey> I could really put that to good use now, need 4.6.1 for work
[15:38] <neversfelde> it wasn't there, probably someone copied ofer 4.4.0b and removed it, because the b has to go first. At least there is a diff to 4.4.0b.
[15:40] <apachelogger> markey: nope, we are trying to sort the last few packages
[15:40] <apachelogger> neversfelde: in that case that might be the root of all evil
[15:41] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, everything should build after kdebase-runtime is finished
[15:41] <neversfelde> I hope :)
[15:44] <markey> got an idea how long it could take, approximately?
[15:44] <markey> it would spare me rebuilding Qt
[15:44] <markey> (takes ages)
[15:45] <apachelogger> markey: 6 hrs granted the issue neversfelde fixed is the one that causes troubles
[15:45] <markey> ah ok
[15:45] <markey> apachelogger: is Qt itself already packaged?
[15:45] <apachelogger> could be ealier, depending ont he traffic of PPA builds
[15:45] <markey> I could upgrade Qt first, I guess
[15:46] <apachelogger> markey: unlikely, from my experience intermixing Qt with older versions of KDE is like jumping of a bridge
[15:46] <apachelogger> but if you care to try it.... ;)
[15:46] <markey> hmm yeah, I was wondering that too, if that would work out well
[15:46] <markey> could go wrong
[15:47] <markey> so maybe I'll better wait for the complete thing
[16:23] <Riddell> morning
[16:23] <Riddell> what's the crack?
[16:25] <nixternal> build problems this morning or what?
[16:26] <nixternal> my inbox was loaded with messages
[16:35] <apachelogger> plasma-addons is looking good now
[16:35] <apachelogger> utils is dep-wait on kdebase
[16:36] <apachelogger> kdebase is also building
[16:37] <apachelogger> Riddell, nixternal: seems that neversfelde's kdebase-runtime upload fixed all remaining build issues, so we can proceed to install testing soonish
[16:37] <neversfelde> kdebindings will probably fail for lpia
[16:37] <apachelogger> well, screw lpia for now :P
[16:37] <apachelogger> neversfelde: btw, I think I searched for "runtime" hence I got a hit on kdepim-runtime, which I apparently read as base :S
[16:38] <neversfelde> hehe
[16:38] <apachelogger> oh wellz, time for my shot
[16:38] <apachelogger> afk
[16:39] <Riddell> nobody uses lpia we don't care about it
[16:40] <Riddell> seele: what's the plan for this evening?
[16:41] <seele> Riddell: well.. chuck sent out an eamil cancelling the meeting.. i'm pretty sure maco is on the list
[16:41] <seele> Riddell: he might reschedule it for tomorrow night, but wont know until later
[16:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger, neversfelde: ping me when I can start upgrading
[16:42] <Quintasan> both Lucid and Karmic -_-
[16:45] <shtylman_> virtuoso has a dependency cycle
[16:46] <shtylman_> any known fix for that?
[16:47] <shtylman_> in lucid that is
[16:47] <binarylooks> shtylman_: i did a sudo apt-get install virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin
[16:47] <binarylooks> then the aptitude update full-upgrade worked again
[16:47] <shtylman_> binarylooks: cool
[16:48] <binarylooks> shtylman_: but now I have a dpkg error in update-initramfs for the kernel
[16:48] <binarylooks> some firmware.sh not found :-(
[16:49] <maco2> seele: im not on the calug list
[16:50] <shtylman_> binarylooks: same
[16:50] <shtylman_> binarylooks: not sure how to get around that yet
[16:50] <binarylooks> shtylman_: s**t, it's stuck now, manual dpkg --configure -a does not resolve it.
[16:50] <shtylman_> binarylooks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/519855
[16:50] <seele> he posted it on ubuntu planet and twitter too..
[16:51] <seele> and ubuntu-md
[16:51] <seele> not -dc though
[16:51] <binarylooks> seele: thanks, thats a communication channel overkill :-)
[17:04] <apachelogger> kdebase done, kdeplasma-addons done, kdepim in progress, kdeutils retried
[17:05] <daskreech> shtylman: install virtuosoconverter
[17:05] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ko 2.1.1 was already copied somewhere, wasnt it?
[17:06] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no, I have to fix some install files
[17:06] <neversfelde> delete it, if it is a problem, ich can reupload
[17:06] <apachelogger> ok, better to delete it, than accidently copy it along with KDE 4.4 I guess
[17:06] <neversfelde> +1
[17:10] <shtylman_> Riddell: line 19 of ethais.xml (the kdm theme) has "background=true", this needs to be removed otherwise the rectangle gets shown on all desktops in a multi monitor setup
[17:10] <shtylman_> not sure where you guys keep the patches for that so I figured telling you about that little change would be easier :)
[17:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well if we don't care about lpia can't Riddell copy packages over already?
[17:11] <apachelogger> nope
[17:11] <Quintasan> why so?
[17:11] <apachelogger> pim and utils are still building + we need QA
[17:12] <Quintasan> oh I see
[17:12] <Quintasan> QA _-_
[17:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sounds little funny coming from you :P
[17:13] <apachelogger> how so?
[17:13] <Quintasan> I just remembered someone ranting about lack of QA and someone said we never done that in past, if I'm not mistaken it wast you :P
[17:13] <Quintasan> was*
[17:14] <apachelogger> there was sensible QA done :P
[17:14] <Quintasan> :D
[17:14] <apachelogger> at the time I had ultimate control over the publishing process
[17:15]  * apachelogger piped packages through all sorts of testing VMs before uploading
[17:15] <Quintasan> awesome
[17:15] <Quintasan> looks like we are calling for trouble with 4.4 :P
[17:16] <Trouble> Someone want some trouble? ;-)
[17:16] <Quintasan> :3
[17:16]  * Quintasan sents Trouble to apachelogger
[17:16] <neversfelde> kdeutils i386 is still waiting for libkonq5-dev
[17:17]  * Trouble sits on apachelogger
[17:17] <apachelogger> neversfelde: just leave it like that
[17:17] <apachelogger> should go into retry any minute now
[17:17]  * apachelogger notes that dep-wait retries seem to go to buildd immediately, while regular retry goes into the regular score chain
[17:18] <apachelogger> that is based of a most recent observation though ;)
[17:18]  * Quintasan notes he sould read less and work more
[17:18] <Quintasan> damn those visual novels, and at first I said - "Who the hell is reading this?!"
[17:20] <apachelogger> neversfelde: do we even have a release nus ready?
[17:20] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no idea, I can have a look at it
[17:20] <neversfelde> in a few minutes
[17:20]  * Quintasan can write
[17:21] <Quintasan> but I'm not sure if it will be good :P
[17:21] <Quintasan> We are going to put it in backports?
[17:21] <neversfelde> 4:4.4.0a-0ubuntu1.1~ppa2 is not overridden by the official 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1 package. Why do we do this :(.
[17:22] <apachelogger> neversfelde: huh?
[17:22] <neversfelde> apachelogger: this is kdebase-workspace
[17:22] <neversfelde> I tested the upgrade from ninja ppa
[17:22] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:23] <Quintasan> lol
[17:23] <apachelogger> well, the thing is, from my experience it is a bad idea to upgrade the own system via ninja ppa :S
[17:23] <neversfelde> same problem for kdebase-runtime
[17:23]  * Quintasan hits apachelogger
[17:23] <neversfelde> apachelogger: someone has to test it ;)
[17:23] <apachelogger> well yeah
[17:23] <apachelogger> via VM or chroot
[17:23] <Quintasan> backports, staging ppa, updates ppa or where?
[17:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: backports if I am not mistaken
[17:23] <Quintasan> I have lucid VM and my system is running Karmic
[17:24] <apachelogger> of course my demands for a clear policy on this did not lead to a written down policy
[17:24] <apachelogger> so I suppose it is up to whomever decides to move the pkgs
[17:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: where does one put once picture for the new user_conf.php thingy on kde.org?
[17:25] <apachelogger> meh, my back is killing me, bbiab
[17:26]  * Trouble stops sitting on apachelogger
[17:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not sure tbh
[17:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *hug*
[17:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: shall I also mention virtuosoconverter?
[17:26] <Nightrose> there is a userpics dit in /www or so
[17:26] <Nightrose> probably there
[17:27] <binarylooks> if you should need QA testers from staging. i'm up for mischief
[17:29] <Quintasan> who do I poke with news for kubuntu.org?
[17:30] <Trouble> I'm willing to install from Staging too when the problems are ironed out and everything is built :-p
[17:30] <binarylooks> (libkonq5 still missing)
[17:31] <seele> Riddell: i think justin is going to suggest doing the talks on Friday at Fudruckers
[17:32] <maco2> seele: i'll tell him
[17:32] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I think we should retry kdeutils i386?
[17:33] <apachelogger> neversfelde: go ahead
[17:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I wrote announcement, bit of copypasta but who cares? :P
[17:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is that thingy necessary for karmic?
[17:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: neversfelde will care :P
[17:34] <Quintasan> that thingy?
[17:34] <apachelogger> virtuosoconverter
[17:34] <Quintasan> if you have used virtuoso 5.0.12 you sure will
[17:34] <Quintasan> since the database format has changed in Virtuoso 6
[17:35] <apachelogger> let me rephrase that
[17:35] <binarylooks> isn't libkonq5 neede for kdeutils?
[17:35] <neversfelde> amd64 is finished
[17:35] <apachelogger> did we deploy karmic packages with virtuoso 5.0
[17:36] <neversfelde> I think we did
[17:36] <Quintasan> virtuoso-opensource	 5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1
[17:36] <Quintasan> in Kubuntu Beta Backports
[17:36] <neversfelde>  virtuoso-opensource - 5.0.12-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1
[17:37] <Quintasan> we must have done it since KDE now depends on virtuoso
[17:37] <Quintasan> sesame won't longer work
[17:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it does not
[17:37] <apachelogger> you can build without
[17:38] <Quintasan> bur most of nepomuk features will not work
[17:38] <Quintasan> bur
[17:38] <Quintasan> but*
[17:38] <Quintasan> damn
[17:39] <Quintasan> shall I add HTML formatting tags so it will be just copy paste after we are ready?
[18:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the question is if they did not work
[18:00] <apachelogger> because only if we made a kde 4.4 beta/rc deployment with virt 5.0 we need to advertise the converter to karmic users
[18:00] <apachelogger> otherwise we can just ignore it
[18:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: am I right that all packages are built (besides utils which is about to be finished)?
[18:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: looks good
[18:02] <binarylooks> i still get:   ark: Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.0a) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed.
[18:03] <neversfelde> mhh
[18:03] <neversfelde> I'll have a look
[18:03] <apachelogger> yah
[18:03] <apachelogger> wait
[18:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think anyone who installed KDE from beta backports has virtuoso 5.0.12
[18:03] <apachelogger> new x86 is not built
[18:04] <Quintasan> then it must be mentioned
[18:04] <apachelogger> old pkgs are still published
[18:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I still have 5.0.12 installed
[18:04] <apachelogger> well
[18:04] <apachelogger> I did not :P\
[18:05] <neversfelde> everything is fine with kdeutils
[18:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well anyways I have the announcement ready
[18:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde might want to read it
[18:06] <Quintasan> neversfelde: http://pastebin.com/f72f85d70
[18:07] <Trouble> It was announced in the news for KDE 4.4 RC2 on kubuntu.org that "For both Lucid and Karmic, virtuoso packages are available. Install both the virtuoso-server and virtuoso-drivers packages to enable Nepomuk support."
[18:07] <shtylman_> Riddell: so I tried to bzr branch the kdebase-workspace to make the changes to the debian patches and then do a merge request... but the ethais files are in some .tar.gz.uu and im not entirely sure how to handle that
[18:07] <Quintasan> Trouble: makes sense, anyways the tool is needed
[18:08] <neversfelde> Quintasan: KDE Software Compilation 4.4.0 in Backports
[18:08] <neversfelde> in Backports?
[18:08] <Trouble> I don't have virtuoso installed either :-P
[18:08] <Quintasan> I also think we ought to get virtuoso to main
[18:08] <binarylooks> (shouldn't we start promoting sudo add-apt-repository?)
[18:08] <Quintasan> neversfelde: and where do you think they are going to be put after QA? :P
[18:08] <neversfelde> Quintasan: Backports PPA
[18:08] <Quintasan> oh lawd
[18:09] <Quintasan> makes sense
[18:09] <Quintasan> my mistake
[18:09] <Quintasan> silly Quintasan
[18:09] <apachelogger> oh well
[18:09] <Riddell> shtylman_: it's uuencoded, debian packages can only manage ascii files
[18:10] <apachelogger> so
[18:10] <Riddell> shtylman_: see the commands in debian/rules for how to decode
[18:10] <apachelogger> who else wants to test 4.4.0 for karmic?
[18:10] <Quintasan> \o
[18:10] <Quintasan> I do
[18:10] <Riddell> shtylman_: what changes are needed?
[18:10] <binarylooks> Me too. testing ahoy
[18:10] <soee_> apachelogger: can i test it?
[18:10] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/
[18:10] <maco2> apachelogger: my tests say kipiplugins go boom
[18:10] <apachelogger> ^
[18:10] <apachelogger> markey: ^
[18:10] <Trouble> I'm in for testing... Downloading now
[18:11] <maco2> apachelogger: it wants libkdcraw7 4.3.2 and we have libkdcraw8 4.4.0 in staging
[18:11] <apachelogger> dont forget to remove the ppa after you are done again, otherwise you might end up with issues at some point :)
[18:11] <binarylooks> i still have   ark: Depends: libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.0a) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1 is to be installed.
[18:11] <binarylooks>  in staging
[18:11] <apachelogger> maco2: that is because some silly packager made a lib pkg contain data files
[18:11] <neversfelde> Quintasan: we have templates for the news, so no need to write it somwhere in a pastebin
[18:12] <apachelogger> neversfelde: can you prepare a kipiplugin upload?
[18:12] <apachelogger> it needs to be rebuilt against 4.4.0
[18:12] <Quintasan> neversfelde: well, I rarley visit our homepage so I dunno :P
[18:12] <shtylman_> Riddell: line 19 of the ethais.xml has background=true
[18:12] <maco2> apachelogger: im actualy using ninjas not staging ppa right now, but theyve the same contents
[18:12] <shtylman_> that needs to be removed otherwise the center rectangle shows on each screen with multiple monitors
[18:13] <Quintasan> 500 mb
[18:13] <Quintasan> HNGH
[18:13] <maco2> neversfelde: i think the depends line needs to change on that upload because libkdcraw8 conflicts: libkdcraw7
[18:14] <Riddell> shtylman_: so uudecode, untar, edit, retar, uuencode tarfile tarfile > tarfile.uu
[18:14] <apachelogger> nono
[18:14] <apachelogger> just rebuild
[18:14] <apachelogger> all good
[18:14] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ^
[18:14] <Quintasan> dling
[18:14] <maco2> why? are there magic macros somewhere?
[18:14] <shtylman_> Riddell: ok... I will try that :)
[18:14] <neversfelde> apachelogger: one moment, I will have a look at it after I prepared the news
[18:15] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:15] <Quintasan> I'd better move my .kde somewhere and start over fresh
[18:16] <binarylooks> (i just ignored the ark 4.3.95 error)
[18:16] <apachelogger> maco2: that stuff is defined by shlibs?!
[18:17] <soee_> i have 2 updates blocked ark and the virtuoso-server
[18:17] <apachelogger> you do not need virtuoso-server
[18:17] <markey> apachelogger: awesome :) you reckon it's safe to upgrade? can't risk bricking my workstation right now ;)
[18:17] <Trouble> Ark is being kept back for me too
[18:17] <maco2> apachelogger: oooohmagic then
[18:18] <apachelogger> markey: only issues at this point are held back packages or file conflicts
[18:18] <apachelogger> nothing that cant be sorted though
[18:18] <maco2> markey: do you define "bricked" as "no working GUI"?
[18:19] <binarylooks> errors encountered in kdebase-workspace.bin kdebase-workspace plasma-desktop
[18:19] <markey> maco2: well, I mean, just generally. crashing, not working, etc
[18:19] <apachelogger> binarylooks: define errors
[18:19] <binarylooks> which fild do you need
[18:19] <binarylooks> *file
[18:19] <apachelogger> all the output?
[18:20] <Quintasan> I personally think KAlarm should use KDE notfications instead of ugly popup window
[18:20] <Quintasan> it's not even at center of screen
[18:20] <binarylooks> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/373392/
[18:21] <maco2> apachelogger: Riddell says "but these libraries are versioned -dev for some reason"  (i dont fully know what this means)
[18:22] <apachelogger> yes, so they can be used along each other :P
[18:22] <apachelogger> though right
[18:22] <apachelogger> neversfelde: build-dep needs to be changed
[18:22] <apachelogger> oh well
[18:22] <Quintasan> testin
[18:22] <Quintasan> はは
[18:22] <Quintasan> works
[18:22] <Quintasan> awesome
[18:23] <neversfelde> ok, news prepared
[18:23] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I changed it a bit
[18:24] <binarylooks> apachelogger: after doing another aptitude full-upgrade:
[18:24] <binarylooks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/373396/
[18:24] <apachelogger> Errors were encountered while processing:
[18:24] <apachelogger>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1_all.deb
[18:24] <apachelogger> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:24] <Quintasan> neversfelde: awesome :)
[18:24] <neversfelde> I have to go out for 15 min, brb
[18:25] <binarylooks> now ark is there
[18:25] <binarylooks> and success:
[18:25] <binarylooks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/373398/
[18:26]  * Quintasan wishes for better konq performance
[18:26] <apachelogger> ah
[18:26] <apachelogger> !!!
[18:26] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[18:26] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.policy', which is also in package ksysguard 4:4.3.95-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2
[18:26] <binarylooks> restarting now
[18:26] <apachelogger> bugy found, in the most inappropriate package -.-
[18:26] <Trouble> You're right, Ark is no longer kept back
[18:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it really should be in ksysguard, I wonder how to they manage to introduce problems like this
[18:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: okay, gluon's refactor was completed, I will upload package today
[18:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it looks more like a missing replaces
[18:28] <binarylooks> apart from the netwrokmanager crash at shutdown everything worked nicely
[18:29] <binarylooks> (dual screen splash ok)
[18:29] <binarylooks> Qt: 4.6.1
[18:29] <binarylooks> KDE Development Platform: 4.4.00 (KDE 4.4.0)
[18:31] <Quintasan> hmm I need to get rid of dbg packages
[18:31] <Quintasan> too much downloading
[18:33] <Quintasan> time for some classical music I guess
[18:35] <binarylooks> well changing plasma themes too often makes plasma or kwin crash but this was known for the final realise
[18:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I can't catch JontheEchidna lately, do you know if he's busy with exams or something?
[18:37] <apachelogger> dunno
[18:37] <apachelogger> maybe just busy in general
[18:37] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:37] <apachelogger> neversfelde, Quintasan: workspace... as I see it ksysguard needs to replace -data << 4.4.0
[18:38] <apachelogger> gotta go
[18:38] <neversfelde> what needs to be done with kipi-plugins?
[18:38] <neversfelde> I cannot test anything, only Lucid here
[18:39] <Quintasan> wth
[18:39] <Quintasan> kwin just crashed
[18:46] <shtylman_> thats unfortunate
[18:55] <neversfelde> maco2, apachelogger: I copied over digikam and kipi-plugins from the beta-backports PPA, I think this is enough
[19:00] <neversfelde> can someone have a look at that kdebase problem?
[19:01] <Quintasan> awesome
[19:01] <Quintasan> works really nice
[19:02] <Trouble> Ok, all 4.4 packages installed, after apt-get -f install (after the initial install failed with the kdebase-workspace-data problem apachelogger found)
[19:02] <Trouble> Restarting...
[19:02] <Quintasan> Riddell: awesome news, uim provides a plasma widget for input method :P
[19:03] <neversfelde> ok, I make workspace replace data << 4.4.0 then
[19:03]  * shtylman_ my next goal will be a flipping clock screensaver :)
[19:04] <neversfelde> err ksysguard
[19:04] <Lex79> neversfelde: 4:4.4.0 (not 4.4.0)
[19:05] <neversfelde> Lex79: yes, ofcourse
[19:05] <Lex79> ok ;)
[19:06] <KDesk> neversfelde: why not digikam version 1.1?
[19:07] <neversfelde> KDesk: well, someone has to backport it first, if it is already in Karmic
[19:09] <Trouble> Woo yay
[19:10] <neversfelde> s/Karmic/Lucid
[19:10] <Trouble> Upgraded from 4.4 rc2 to 4.4 stable successfuly
[19:10] <Trouble> +l
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: a bit busier than usual, but also the college'
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> s stupid IT dept. has a crapton of ports blocked
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> I guess I could try using... *shudder* web IRC
[20:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: well I hoped if you have some time you could help me with icecc
[20:14] <Quintasan> but I need to stop being lazy and fix network on the second machine
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> what do you need help with?
[20:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: icecc failed to connect somehow, I've tried changing IP of scheduler but that didn't help. I've got a new router and I have a different subnet but I was too lazy to fix it on other machine
[20:16]  * apachelogger is feeling like crap
[20:16] <apachelogger> oh, neversfelde did workspace \o/
[20:16] <Quintasan> lol, I read "apachelogger is feeling like carp"
[20:16] <apachelogger> soon we shall have 4.4
[20:17] <persia> JontheEchidna: ssh-over-port-80 :)
[20:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 2 thoughts on the port blockage: tunnel via ssh; throw with stones after the dept. members
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:17] <apachelogger> blocking irc is so silly
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> they block smtp too :/
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> which leads me to believe they have a stupid whitelist of ports or something
[20:18] <apachelogger> ssl'ed smtp too?
[20:18] <apachelogger> because that is also so silly
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> dunno, haven't messed with that
[20:18]  * apachelogger would block plain smtp for sure :P
[20:19] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> yeah, smtp + ssl
[20:19] <apachelogger> maybe the use microsoft's firewall solution of which I forgot the name
[20:20] <apachelogger> that thingy comes with a wonderful 100% lockdown and one must unlock all sorts of crap
[20:20] <Quintasan> >windows
[20:20] <apachelogger> fortunately for stuff like pop and smtp that is only a load of work, for everything else it is a shitload of work
[20:20] <Quintasan> :/
[20:21] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Forefront_Threat_Management_Gateway
[20:21] <KDesk> python-kde4 (from the staging repo) depends on python2.5. Why 2.5 and not 2.6?
[20:22] <apachelogger> hm
[20:23]  * apachelogger will not apply his python loving charm here :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> intersting indeed though
[20:26] <apachelogger> KDesk: might be inherited from debian
[20:27] <apachelogger> to me it seems like python-qt4 deps on 2.5, hence -kde4 deps on it as well
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> the kdebindings packaging was synec recently
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> *synced
[20:29] <apachelogger> well, I think someone should look at it
[20:29] <apachelogger> me being recently fallen in love with ecmascript is not that someone :P
[20:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, the plasma scripting stuff is total fun
[20:30] <apachelogger> I always found plasma to be a fun software
[20:30] <apachelogger> always the crashing and stuff :P
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[20:31] <apachelogger> but the limitations of that scripting is just about the most awesome bit :P
[20:31] <Riddell> python-kde4 and python-qt4 both depend on libpython2.6 and python >= 2.5 < 2.7
[20:31] <Riddell> so that's fine
[20:31]  * apachelogger has no clue how to script the adding of a tray widget AND the automagic enabling of widget embedding into said tray
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> I think Riddell was working with upstream to work out the tray widget magic
[20:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: see the script in kubuntu-default-settings
[20:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: where?
[20:32] <Riddell> in bzr
[20:33] <apachelogger> yeah, where :P
[20:33] <Riddell> assuming I committed it
[20:33] <Riddell> share/apps/plasma-desktop/init or something
[20:33] <apachelogger> nope
[20:33] <apachelogger> I commited something yesterday :P
[20:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: but how did you do the embedding? from what I have seen there is no solution to that?
[20:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have to set the config variabled manually
[20:34] <Riddell> variables
[20:34] <Riddell> to match what would be in plasma-desktoprc
[20:34] <apachelogger> what would be in the rc is an applet itself from what I have seen today
[20:35] <apachelogger> [Containments][4][Applets][17][Configuration][Applets][45]
[20:36] <apachelogger> containment-id-trayapplet-id-confgurationoftrayapplet-subapplet-id
[20:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please commit something.... I have no clue how one would master something like that up with the limited API at hand
[20:38] <apachelogger> possibly one could hack the rc file manually and then trigger a config reload of the tray widget
[20:38] <apachelogger> but that also involves headache since one needs to get an appropriate id for the subapplet
[20:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: committed
[20:43] <Riddell> if possibly incorrectly
[20:44] <Riddell> so are we good for 4.4 in karmic now?
[20:45] <Riddell> no, waiting on -workspace to publish
[20:45] <apachelogger> neversfelde: is the nus good to go?
[20:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do not think that is save .... systray.currentConfigGroup = new Array("Applets", "1");
[20:47] <apachelogger> as I see it the id must be unique
[20:47] <Riddell> for a new one it should be safe
[20:47] <Riddell> upgrade lesss so
[20:47] <neversfelde> apachelogger: it probably needs some polishing. A Screenshot would be nice and a better explanation of this virtuosoconverter thing would be nice
[20:47] <neversfelde> I have some screenshots here http://people.ubuntu.com/~neversfelde/
[20:47] <Riddell> nus?
[20:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: well it does not get executed for updates anyway
[20:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: but unless plasma corrects the id automagically this should lead to applets with duplicated id shouldnt it?
[20:48] <neversfelde> they are for kubuntu-de.org, but I think it is no problem, if we use them here, too
[20:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: no but we need an upgrade script to move the relevant plasmoids into the systray
[20:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure we want to do that
[20:49] <apachelogger> far too high risk of failure + users might wanna eat us for touching their precious layout :S
[20:50] <Riddell> it should be possible to do it without risk of failure
[20:50] <apachelogger> what if 2 panels are present?
[20:50] <apachelogger> what if 2 trays in one panel?
[20:50] <apachelogger> what if 2 panels with 2 battery plasmoids? (say dual screen setup)
[20:51] <apachelogger> 2 trays too there
[20:51] <binarylooks> neversfelde: there is a crash report in the systray for the first screenshot. i think this is not good marketing :-)
[20:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you only touch the panel at pos 0 in the array it looks inconsitent and otherwise stuff might break
[20:52] <Riddell> for each panel, if it has a systray move battery/message indicator/device notifier plasmoids on that panel into the first systray
[20:52] <neversfelde> binarylooks: it is a development version, so this is no problem, I think :)
[20:52] <apachelogger> + the first panel might not even be the main panel, thus the one changes to would make least sense (again dual screen, I noticed plasma does not shift the main activity to the main screen but creates a new activity there
[20:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: serisouly, I would prefer to not temper with the upgrade magic for anything but the indicator
[20:53] <zegenie> +1 for not trying to mess with existing layouts
[20:53] <apachelogger> in fact I would prefer not do it at all
[20:54] <apachelogger> bad feelings I have about it
[20:54] <Riddell> you'd get to play with ecmascript :)
[20:54] <apachelogger> letz port them silly python plasmoids to ecmascript instead :P
[20:55] <apachelogger> less dangerous
[20:55] <Riddell> yo, -workspace is published
[20:55] <Riddell> we're good to go for 4.4?
[20:55] <apachelogger> yup
[20:55] <binarylooks> neversfelde: i think there should be a feeling of stability for the karmic people at least. Like a "i'm coming home" effect
[20:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: you happy for me to copy over to backports?
[20:56] <apachelogger> binarylooks: those people that know that icon, used pre-release kubuntu versions, hence I doubt they will care about unstability :P
[20:56] <neversfelde> Riddell: Blizzz is testing atm, we should wait for that
[20:57] <binarylooks> apachelogger: you're the boss :-)
[20:58] <Riddell> for asdf in akonadi attica digikam eigen2 gluon kde4libs kdeaccessibility kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepim kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils kdewebdev kipi-plugins kubuntu-meta libattica libdbusmenu-qt libmsn libssh oxygen-icons phonon-backends polkit-qt python-qt4 qscintilla2 qt4-x11 shared-desktop-ontologies sip4-qt3 sopra
[20:59] <Riddell> command is ready to go ^^
[20:59] <soee> just do it :)
[20:59] <apachelogger> no!
[20:59] <apachelogger> testing comes first! :P
[20:59] <soee> ok :]
[20:59] <binarylooks> is QA really assured ?
[21:00] <apachelogger> QAA?
[21:00] <binarylooks> QA (=quick action) in this case :-)
[21:01] <apachelogger> that I said
[21:02]  * apachelogger tries to get some nice drug for his cough
[21:03]  * Mamarok slides some cough medicine down the bar for apachelogger
[21:04]  * Mamarok ponders making an ubottu factoid for "when is KDE 4.4 ready?"
[21:07] <apachelogger> Mamarok: thx
[21:12] <Mamarok> gah, these kids in #kubuntu are really impatient to get KDE SC 4.4 :)
[21:12] <maco2> aptitude full-upgrade gets unhappy about libkabcommon4 but apt-get dist-upgrade is fine
[21:12] <Riddell> I conclude that apt-get is better
[21:13] <apachelogger> it so much is :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> oh
[21:15] <apachelogger> on the other hand
[21:16] <apachelogger> maco2, Riddell: if there was an intermediate file conflict it would be disappearing at second rund
[21:16] <apachelogger> s/rund/run
[21:17] <maco2> running aptitude full-upgrade again still gets:
[21:17] <maco2>   libkabcommon4: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed.
[21:17] <apachelogger> silly beast
[21:18] <maco2> well i guess its doing the right thing to offer to remove it as thats a now-obsolete package, but maybe it shouldnt pretend that such is breakage
[21:19] <nixternal> anyone else experiencing horrid fonts in 4.4?
[21:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: anywhere in particular?
[21:20] <nixternal> konsole/yakuake
[21:20] <nixternal> I have used ProFontWindows for years, and it was absolutely perfect, small text
[21:20] <nixternal> now, it is bigger, and everything tends to get cut off
[21:20] <apachelogger> uh
[21:20] <apachelogger> cutting there is indeed
[21:21] <nixternal> it does it with iconsolata and droid as well
[21:21] <nixternal> liberation mono is fine
[21:21] <apachelogger> dejavu here
[21:21] <maco2> oh no, and youre having me install this??
[21:21] <nixternal> liberation mono looks like shit though
[21:21] <Riddell> !language
[21:21] <apachelogger> someone should go talk with upstream... ;)
[21:22] <nixternal> ouch, dejavu looks shitty too
[21:22] <apachelogger> sadly dejavu is default
[21:22] <Riddell> ooh nixternal, you'll make maco make me do the bot thing again!
[21:22] <nixternal> Riddell: I can't see everything you are saying, as the text is getting cut off
[21:22] <Riddell> ubuntu desktop is installing liberation in lucid I believe
[21:22] <nixternal> see something about you, maco, and a bot...sounds kinky to me
[21:23] <nixternal> I am using karmic here
[21:23] <Mamarok> :)
[21:23] <Riddell> ?!
[21:23]  * maco2 would like to note that there is no bot in bed with us right now
[21:24] <maco2> !  i wasnt actually going to send that, but Riddell reached over and smacked the return key
[21:26] <maco2> Riddell: good job now you silenced the channel
[21:28] <apachelogger> maco2: are you upgrading already?
[21:29] <Riddell> she is
[21:29] <apachelogger> ok
[21:29]  * Quintasan got smooth update
[21:29] <apachelogger> Blizzz ran into troubles, though we were unable to debug because he used silly aptitude and all :P
[21:29] <Quintasan> maybe because I moved .kde and copied only KTorrent data
[21:30] <Quintasan> Anyone is using Yakuake?
[21:30] <neversfelde> yes
[21:30] <binarylooks> apachelogger: I also used aptitude, but never again. I forsake aptitiude from hereon
[21:30] <Quintasan> I'd like to report a bug but I'm not sure anyone can reproduce it
[21:30] <Quintasan> neversfelde: try setting a different profile for Yakuake
[21:30]  * apachelogger hands binarylooks a cookie
[21:30] <Quintasan> neversfelde: close it and the open Konsole
[21:31] <Quintasan> neversfelde: Try messing with transparaency cause that's easy to notice
[21:31] <binarylooks> oooo, my first cookie :-)
[21:31] <Quintasan> neversfelde: the problem I have is that Yakuake uses Konsole's profile not matter what I change in Yakuake
[21:31] <Quintasan> binarylooks: help us more and you will get more
[21:31]  * Quintasan is good at handing cookies
[21:32] <Quintasan> I'm just watching apachelogger do the hard work and then give him cookies
[21:32] <Quintasan> 'P
[21:32] <Quintasan> ;P
[21:32] <neversfelde> Quintasan: no problem here
[21:32] <Quintasan> neversfelde: mind doing a screenshot?
[21:34] <Quintasan> damn it, the most important thing now is not working, wtf I'm doing wrong
[21:34] <Quintasan> brb
[21:34] <Quintasan> maybe restart will help
[21:35] <binarylooks> Quintasan: i'll try
[21:36] <Quintasan> :S
[21:37] <neversfelde> Quintasan: http://imagebin.ca/view/gPwZnEP.html
[21:37] <Quintasan> neversfelde: thanks, mind telling me what hacks did you use?
[21:38] <neversfelde> Quintasan: I simply created a new profile and use it
[21:38] <Quintasan> neversfelde: do you change to it manually?
[21:38] <neversfelde> Quintasan: yes
[21:38] <Quintasan> that's what I want to avoid
[21:38] <Quintasan> :S
[21:39] <Quintasan> neversfelde: can you try setting the different profile in Yakuake as default and restart it?
[21:39] <neversfelde> Quintasan: it was defaukt
[21:39] <neversfelde> s/defaukt/default
[21:39]  * apachelogger is waiting for maco2 or Riddell to say something about that upgrade
[21:39] <apachelogger> <- nervous wreck
[21:40] <soee> ;]
[21:41] <nixternal> apachelogger: upgrade went fine on both lucid and karmic, except for the fonts
[21:41] <nixternal> they look like shite
[21:41] <apachelogger> possibly they are tied up with their bot :D
[21:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: no file conflicts on karmic?
[21:41] <Riddell> maco is logging in now
[21:41] <nixternal> kinkier
[21:41]  * binarylooks changed keybindings for refresh to F6...F5 exists no more
[21:41] <nixternal> apachelogger: none
[21:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: no file conflicts?
[21:41] <Riddell> nope
[21:41] <apachelogger> in that case
[21:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.4 is ready to go to backports ppa
[21:41] <neversfelde> :)
[21:42] <nixternal> oh, this is annoying...fonts in gtk apps are bad as well
[21:42] <Quintasan> damn
[21:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: might be Qt problem
[21:42] <nixternal> W M <- these 2 letters are blurry as hell
[21:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: considering you use qtcurve
[21:42] <nixternal> I don't use qtcurve
[21:43] <nixternal> err, for gtk apps
[21:43] <apachelogger> then it is the weird
[21:43]  * Riddell runs the copy command
[21:43] <nixternal> yeah, it is qtcurve for gtk
[21:43] <nixternal> but the fonts are insanely large
[21:44] <apachelogger> neversfelde: the news is on kubuntu.org already?
[21:44] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes
[21:44] <apachelogger> I mean in the cms
[21:44] <apachelogger> cool
[21:44] <Quintasan> neversfelde: I don't really get it, if you close yakuake and run it again you still have solid color background and when you run konsole it's transparent WITHOUT changing profiles?
[21:44] <apachelogger> now if only I had the login data :D
[21:44] <apachelogger> ah, maybe I do after all
[21:47] <apachelogger> I think the news should be spiced up :P
[21:47] <apachelogger> good enough for now though
[21:51] <NCommander> Riddell: thanks for the upload of kdebindings; glad I could help sort that out
[21:55] <apachelogger> wwaaaaah
[21:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: backports is exploding
[21:55] <apachelogger> Repository size:
[21:55] <apachelogger> 10.1 GiB (100.00%) of 10.0 GiB
[21:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should drop the jaunty stuff?
[21:56] <Riddell> fine with me
[21:59] <Quintasan> damn you Yakuake
[22:00] <Riddell> shall I publish the news story neversfelde?
[22:00] <Riddell> I added an image
[22:01] <neversfelde> Riddell: if it is ok for you, publish it :)
[22:02] <KDesk> Riddell: but python-kde4 also depends on python2.5 (>= 2.5). It installs python2.5, and I already have python2.6
[22:03] <Riddell> KDesk: hmm right, so it does
[22:03] <Riddell> well it still runs fine so we'll not worry immediately
[22:07] <Riddell> ta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4 !
[22:07] <Riddell> well done all
[22:08] <Mamarok> Riddell: I was doing the same :)
[22:09] <Quintasan> awesome
[22:09]  * Quintasan hands cookies to everyone
[22:09] <Mamarok> congrats everyone :)
[22:09] <binarylooks> yay, my second cookie :-)
[22:09] <Riddell> Mamarok: you win :)
[22:09] <soee> nice, gratz all :)
[22:09] <Riddell> "KDevelop4 Beta8 uploaded" no rest for us!
[22:10] <Quintasan> wat
[22:10] <Quintasan> :3
[22:10] <soee> ;>
[22:10] <binarylooks> we should get the "Doctor"
[22:10] <neversfelde> and kbluetooth 0.4.1
[22:11] <neversfelde> oh, it is already in Lucid :)
[22:11] <Quintasan> awesome
[22:11] <Quintasan> I was just about to grab the source
[22:11]  * apachelogger goes back to being sick
[22:11]  * Quintasan gives apachelogger tea
[22:12]  * daskreech gives apachelogger love
[22:16] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:16] <markey> yay guys
[22:16] <markey> congrats for packages :)
[22:16] <Quintasan> I really wonder wth they added Kopete runner when it doesn't work
[22:16] <markey> and thanks :)
[22:16]  * markey hugs apachelogger, in a manly way
[22:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ya using Kopete?
[22:20] <Quintasan> nvm
[22:20] <Quintasan> he's sick :P
[22:20] <Quintasan> markey: are you using kopete?
[22:20] <markey> Quintasan: not currently
[22:21] <Quintasan> markey: okay, if you have some time to spare I'd like to test something
[22:21] <markey> spare time is rare atm, sorry
[22:22] <Quintasan> no problems, minor issue though
[22:25] <nixternal> hrmm, not bad. Switched to Liberation Mono at 5.4 :)  nice and small, and it actually looks someone decent
[22:32] <daskreech> Quintasan: It works
[22:33] <daskreech> it just works in a profundly stupid way
[22:33] <daskreech> nixternal: Who is the someone?
[22:33] <nixternal> somewhat decent
[22:34] <Quintasan> daskreech: how come?
[22:34] <Quintasan> daskreech: I type contact name and it doesn't work
[22:34] <Quintasan> :/
[22:34] <Quintasan> while the one I packaged (plasma-runner-kopete) works
[22:34] <nixternal> dolphin would be slick if you could create plugins for it like you could do for konqueror
[22:35] <daskreech> Quintasan: it does you just have to wait like a minute
[22:35] <Quintasan> lol
[22:36] <Quintasan> daskreech: plasma-runner-kopete works in a matter of seconds and I contacted upstream for it and he said he has more speed improvements in GIT
[22:36] <daskreech> The Kopete interface doesn't allow querys of a string so it has to pull every single possible contact from Kopete (for each letter you type) then order them and do substring searches on the entire list after it gets delivered over dbus
[22:37] <seele> Riddell: Chuck is going to move the CALUG/MD Loco meeting to Friday at Fudruckers during the 4.4 release party
[22:38] <nixternal> ooh fudruckers...i totally hate that place
[22:39] <Quintasan> daskreech: I do belive that they should go to hell with that type of runner
[22:44] <soee> guys any idea when kubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 will be released ?
[22:44] <freinhard> hi!
[22:44] <Quintasan> freinhard: \o
[22:44] <freinhard> anyone with a umts/3g/whatever-modem round?
[22:44] <tsimpson> soee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[22:45] <soee> thank you tsimpson
[22:47] <freinhard> had to kick knetworkmanager because it didn't do anything upon klicking on a connection did setup before.
[22:47] <freinhard> nm-applet kinda works, but well.. gnome in kde? that's not what i call beautiful ;)
[22:48] <neversfelde> freinhard: do you speak german?
[22:49] <freinhard> neversfelde: jepp
[22:49] <neversfelde> freinhard: http://wiki.kubuntu-de.org/Kubuntu_benutzen/Tipps_und_Tricks/Aldi_UMTS_Stick_mit_Kubuntu_benutzen
[22:49] <neversfelde> there is a workaround for the problem with knetworkmanager
[22:50] <harolddong> there are way more virtuoso packages.  do I only need to install the virtuoso-nepomuk package or others as well?
[22:50] <freinhard> neversfelde: tried that in 4.4? i'm currently on 4.3.95 and can't update
[22:51] <neversfelde> freinhard: works for me in 4.4 and 4.3
[22:51] <neversfelde> with 4.3.95 also afair
[22:51] <Blizzz> i think i tried it out and it also worked with 4.3.95
[22:54] <Quintasan> WTF
[22:54] <Quintasan> no sound after restart
[22:54] <Quintasan> grrrr
[22:54] <freinhard> knetworkmanager is somehow strange, the popupwindow that you get when you click on the systray icon appears in the upper left corner (wtf!)
[22:54] <freinhard> but since 1GB=50$ i guess i won't upgrade kde
[22:55] <neversfelde> freinhard: it is fixed in 4.4
[22:56] <NCommander> freinhard: I have one
[22:56] <NCommander> No SIM card in it at the moment but I can fix it
[22:56] <NCommander> s/it/that/g
[22:58] <Quintasan> there is something wrong with Phonon
[22:59] <Quintasan> after restart it stopped seeing my sound output and uses only Rear speakers
[22:59] <Quintasan> seriously wtf
[23:06] <Quintasan> something is really wrong, KDE fails to use my device but it is present and SMPlayer works
[23:06] <neversfelde> we need a new koffice package in the backports ppa, krita-kde4 and digikam/gwenview aren't installable side by side
[23:06] <Quintasan> same for VLC player :(
[23:09] <EagleScreen> will also Kubuntu lucid start to use plymouth?
[23:10] <Quintasan> HNGH
[23:10] <Quintasan> Lex79, Riddell: did we update phonon-backend-xine?
[23:10] <Lex79> no need
[23:10] <Quintasan> I think there is since sound doesn't works for me anymore
[23:10] <Quintasan> let me try
[23:10] <Lex79> works here
[23:10] <Quintasan> Lex79: where I can grab the newest source?
[23:11] <Lex79> there is no new source :)
[23:11] <Quintasan> Lex79: my Sound Blaster suddenly blacked out in Phonon KCM after restart
[23:11] <Quintasan> :(
[23:11] <Quintasan> then how the hell this happened
[23:11] <Lex79> maybe something is wrong in your configuration
[23:12] <Quintasan> I didn't change anything
[23:12] <Quintasan> just reboot after update to 4.4.0
[23:14] <Lex79> no bug reports for now from my testers in the forum about karmic, dunno why
[23:14] <Mamarok> hm, I have packages kept back: kdeartwork kdetoys kscreensaver ktux
[23:15] <Quintasan> :/
[23:18] <Quintasan> strange, also it seems I can't compile anything using Qt dev libs
[23:18] <Quintasan> fails to find them during compiling
[23:18] <Quintasan> no, even at cmake
[23:19] <neversfelde> Lex79: no one uses koffice ;)
[23:19] <Lex79> neversfelde: why? :P
[23:20] <neversfelde> Lex79: it is broken, because of libkdraw7-dev, I switch it to libkdraw8-dev
[23:20] <KDesk> I'm curious, which is the cause for knetworkmanager to crash on logout?
[23:21] <Lex79> neversfelde: so now is fixed? or are you going to fix?
[23:21] <neversfelde> Lex79: I am going to fix it
[23:22] <Lex79> awesome
[23:23] <Quintasan> this is no fun :(
[23:23] <Lex79> Quintasan: I asked in my forum about sound problems, no problems there with vlc or something like
[23:24] <Lex79> are you sure you did a full upgrade? :/
[23:24] <Quintasan> Lex79: there is NO problem with VLC or SMPlayer
[23:25] <Quintasan> only KDE fails to use my default device
[23:25] <Lex79> oh, ok
[23:25] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/3VZBXq.html
[23:25] <Quintasan> it went like this after restart
[23:25] <Quintasan> :/
[23:27] <nixternal> KDesk: when you find out, let me know as well :)  though, with 4.4.0, I just logged out a little while ago, and I don't remember it crashing...I will have to pay attention next time, especially since I have grown accustomed to keeping my finger near 'Esc' when shutting down
[23:28] <KDesk> nixternal: hehe, i also keep my finger near Esc. But it only crashed onces, then I can logout and in many times without crashes until y restart the os.
[23:29] <Quintasan> hmm I get some more upgrades
[23:29] <Quintasan> brb
[23:32]  * freinhard whises .deb packages would use a better compression alg.
[23:37] <Quintasan> Lex79: lol automagically fixed
[23:37] <Quintasan> I did nothing and it started to work
[23:37] <Lex79> uhhmmmm :D
[23:37] <Quintasan> KDE == magic
[23:37] <Quintasan> back to cpp I guess
[23:38] <Lex79> Quintasan: nah... Qt+phonon packaging by lex is magic
[23:38] <Lex79> lol
[23:38]  * Quintasan hands Lex79 cookies
[23:38] <Lex79> :-*
[23:38]  * Quintasan hugs Lex79
[23:38] <Lex79> :)
[23:39] <Quintasan> brilliant
[23:39] <Quintasan> awesome release
[23:39] <Quintasan> I see KDE SC taking over the world
[23:39] <Quintasan> well, time to learn about...
[23:39] <Quintasan> prototypes?
[23:40] <Lex79> "I see KDE SC taking over the world", Canonical doesn't see :P
[23:41] <Quintasan> Ain't it right time to take over Canonical?
[23:41]  * Quintasan calls for insurgency
[23:41] <Lex79> lol
[23:41]  * Quintasan prepares torches and some other "tools"
[23:42] <Quintasan> I might delay my plans if someone buys me a new keyboard with wrist support
[23:42] <Quintasan> :3
[23:44] <Lex79> sabdfl ^^^
[23:45] <Lex79> uhm he's not here
[23:45] <Quintasan> lol
[23:45] <Quintasan> Trouble: still there? please go over to Lex79
[23:45] <Quintasan> :P
[23:46] <Quintasan> what a shame, this could produce some lulz
[23:46] <Quintasan> Lex79: sabdfl has wrong timings to leave our chan :<
[23:47] <Lex79> or maybe not :)
[23:47]  * Trouble creeps over to Lex79
[23:48] <Quintasan> maybe, I can't quiet imagine him shaking over me coming for Canonical with pitchfork
[23:48] <Quintasan> :P
[23:48]  * Trouble presents himself to Lex79
[23:48] <Lex79> Hi Trouble :)
[23:49]  * Quintasan notes Lex79 was really asking for trouble
[23:49] <Quintasan> :P
[23:49] <Trouble> o/
[23:49] <Trouble> lolz
[23:49] <Lex79> lol
[23:49] <Trouble> *fanfare*
[23:58] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: do you have the power to upload soprano? I don't remember..
[23:59] <JontheEchidna> That's one of the ones I can't :(
[23:59] <Lex79> uff