[04:58]  * kwwii rubs the sleep out of his eyes
[05:45] <kwwii> vish: hey, I got approval to upload changes to the human theme
[05:46] <kwwii> vish: I thought about merging your and psyke83's changes and using that
[05:46] <kwwii> sound like a good idea?
[05:58] <vish> kwwii: sounds good
[06:11] <dashua> vish, Tweaks or bug fixes?
[06:13] <vish> dashua: what i uploaded were just bug fixes.. psyke did mod of theme
[06:13] <dashua> Oh nice
[06:34] <kwwii> so I'll merge them as best and upload today
[06:34] <kwwii> seb wants to stop hearing people complain :P
[06:40] <dashua> Any reason to keep Human-Clearlooks?
[06:41] <dashua> How about a murrine counterpart Human-Legacy or such.
[06:49] <dashua> kwwii, I proposed a merge request for the community-themes package.  Update three theme and added on for testing.   It build but if you could check the changelog when you get a chance?
[06:49] <dashua> Not sure if I did it correctly.
[06:52] <kwwii> dashua: yes, will do
[06:53] <kwwii> dashua: I wanted to add some new stuff to the community themes package as well
[06:53] <dashua> Ok cool
[06:53] <dashua> Any suggestions?
[06:54] <kwwii> homosapiens caught my eye
[06:59] <dashua> Nice, yeah that is very nice.
[07:00] <kwwii> :)
[07:01] <kwwii> I'll post something about that later today
[07:08] <dashua> kwwii, Ok great. :)
[07:10] <kwwii> dashua: if you are interested, I'll let you do the work and lead things and I'll back you up whenever needed
[07:11] <dashua> Ok, sounds good.  Just might need a little direction with packaging :)
[07:11] <kwwii> dashua: I'd like to see if we can get some others involved, etc
[07:11] <kwwii> maybe we can get another theme as well
[07:11] <kwwii> I promise I will help you and/or take care of the packaging
[07:11] <kwwii> otherwise I'd have to do it anyway :P
[07:12] <kwwii> it's quite simple, once you know what you are doing
[07:12] <dashua> How many themes do you think total?  There are 5 now.
[07:12] <dashua> I think I'm screwing up the dch part.
[07:12] <kwwii> well, it might be best to stick to 5...maybe there is something we could replace
[07:12] <dashua> It's placing my changelog below the present one.
[07:12] <kwwii> ideally, we could have a new package every release or two
[07:12] <kwwii> ouch
[07:12] <kwwii> funky
[07:13] <kwwii> which editor do you use?
[07:13] <dashua> nano
[07:13] <kwwii> and are you doing "dch -i"
[07:13] <dashua> Hrm
[07:13] <dashua> No just dch.
[07:13] <kwwii> -i tells it to increment the version number in a new entry
[07:13] <dashua> Maybe that is the issue.
[07:13] <kwwii> might be
[07:14] <dashua> Ah.  I'll try it again.  It built, but probably not correctly.
[07:14] <kwwii> version tracking is quite important :)
[07:15] <dashua> Yeah, still trying to get the packaging part down.
[07:16] <kwwii> the hardest thing is not making stupid mistakes :P
[07:16] <kwwii> I do that all the time
[07:16] <dashua> Does gnome-themes-ubuntu need any work too?  Update wise.
[07:16] <kwwii> but so does everyone
[07:16] <dashua> Ha yeah.
[07:16] <dashua> I'm assuming yes with the murrine update.
[07:17] <kwwii> gnome-themes-ubuntu is probably up to date but if not we should make it so
[07:17] <kwwii> we are going to have to update the murrine themes in it naturally
[07:17] <kwwii> if there are any
[07:17] <dashua> Ok, I think Dust needs to be updated.
[07:17] <kwwii> ahhh, yes...true
[07:18] <kwwii> I hadn't given it any thought (yet)
[07:18] <dashua> I'll take a look tomorrow.
[07:18] <dashua> Np
[07:18] <kwwii> I have a full plate atm, and things keep stacking up
[07:18] <kwwii> thnx
[07:18] <dashua> I understand.  I'm glad to help out where I can. :)
[07:18] <kwwii> I think that lucid is going to be pretty cool
[07:19] <kwwii> it's hard to see atm but I am sure we'll get there
[07:19] <dashua> Yeah, I'm digging the MeMenu thing.
[07:19] <dashua> Lots of indicator work too.
[07:19] <kwwii> ;)
[07:20] <dashua> So far so, so good for me.
[07:20]  * dashua keeps his fingers crossed
[07:20] <kwwii> lol, I hope that helps
[07:20] <vish> dashua: let me know when you get the theme started.. i'll try to do some metacity buttons for it
[07:21] <dashua> I added Human-Lucid to the community-themes with zacbarton's new buttons.
[07:21] <vish> ah , cool
[07:21] <kwwii> hrm, not sure about using that name
[07:21] <dashua> It's basically Human with the Homosapien buttons and a tweaked gtkrc.
[07:21] <kwwii> sounds very official
[07:21] <kwwii> HomoHuman ?
[07:21] <kwwii> :D
[07:22] <kwwii> sorry
[07:22] <vish> o.0
[07:22] <dashua> Ouch
[07:22] <kwwii> might be better to find a more appropriate name
[07:22] <vish> kwwii: i think we have offended a lot of them in the past few days ;p
[07:22] <kwwii> lol
[07:22] <dashua> I guess we can call it Homesapien as it's just a metacity theme now.
[07:22] <kwwii> whoever "they" are, I hope they excuse us
[07:23] <kwwii> dashua: right
[07:23] <kwwii> sabdfl saw and liked it, if that helps
[07:24] <dashua> Homosapien?
[07:24] <dashua> Nice
[07:24] <kwwii> yepp
[07:24] <dashua> Cool
[07:24] <kwwii> then again, the author emailed him ;)
[07:24] <kwwii> which automatically hits my inbox
[07:24] <dashua> Ha, I bet :)
[07:24] <kwwii> most of the art emails sent to mark get filtered by his secratary to myself or someone else on the design team
[07:25] <kwwii> I used to get them all, and it sucked
[07:25] <dashua> vish, zacbarton is idling here.  We were working on coming up with something.
[07:26] <dashua> Maybe together we tweak, combine the work, and come up with one unified theme.
[07:28] <vish> cool
[07:28]  * vish has to finish the damn N900 icon :/ [if only i had the phone i'd finish it faster ;p]
[07:28] <dashua> Hehe
[07:28] <dashua> Off to bed.  C ya'll tomorrow.
[07:28] <kwwii> night
[07:29] <dashua> I'l  be digging out two feet of snow tomorrow =/
[07:30] <kwwii> I might be doing that in a few hours
[07:49] <jessew> kwwii: I haven't managed to get a time to clarify with Ivana about the wallpaper licensing issues -- She asked if we could meet up on IRC, but it fell through, and I haven't heard back since then.  Any pointers?
[07:52] <kwwii> jessew: hrm, I guess ping her again?
[07:52] <kwwii> she isn't up yet
[07:52] <kwwii> I can mention something if I talk to her (she is a very busy person)
[07:55] <kwwii> jessew: what exactly do you want from her?
[08:12] <jessew> kwwii: I wanted to check what exact license she asked for when she directly spoke to people about the wallpapers, so we can put that in the package, and/or recontact anyone we got some odd license from.  She was willing to do it, but I think it just got lost in the flux of other things.
[08:13] <kwwii> yeah, most certainly...we were on a week long sprint last week
[08:13] <kwwii> and we are now all jet lagged :P
[08:16] <jessew> that completely makes sense.  this is certainly NOT urgent, although it is important to get to sometime.
[08:16] <kwwii> I'll ask later when she gets to the office
[08:16] <jessew> thanks
[08:16] <kwwii> from her first tweet this morning I don't think I want to piss her off today ;)
[08:17] <jessew> erps?  (I don't follow twitter...)
[08:17] <kwwii> "I am struggling with my mood this morning."
[08:18] <kwwii> best to let sleeping dogs lie
[08:18] <kwwii> erm, I guess I just called her a bitch in some indirect way...BAD, BAD, BAD
[08:19] <jessew> yes, that does suggest this might be a less than good day.  If you do talk to her, please do stress that I am NOT in any hurry.
[08:19] <kwwii> will do
[08:20] <kwwii> sorry it seems so hard, we'll take care of it
[08:20] <kwwii> and thanks ;)
[08:22] <kwwii> moin thorsten
[08:22] <thorwil> moin kenneth
[08:53] <jessew> kwwii: you are welcome; thanks for all your efforts on it.
[08:55] <thorwil> kwwii: your new COO worries me: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10448883-16.html
[08:59] <kwwii> thorwil: hehe, yeah
[09:29]  * vish pokes darkmatter with "read what thorwil thinks of document vs apps" stick  ;p
[09:30] <vish> rather which needs to be a first level access
[09:31] <thorwil> on the gnome usability list
[09:31] <thorwil> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2010-February/msg00011.html
[09:31]  * vish disagrees with thorwil though :)
[09:32] <thorwil> vish: on which point?
[09:35] <vish> thorwil: the "share/backup/restore" can be done from within each app , without exposing the user to the concept of filesystem   , its not necessary to expose the filesystem for those
[09:35] <darkmatter> vish:  application are archaic, and hierarchical navigation is over exposed
[09:36] <vish> yeah
[09:36] <thorwil> vish: if you have to grant access to all files, you end up exposing the file-system. that's the case for at least backup/restore
[09:38] <vish> thorwil: not necessarily , the filesystem hierarchy can work like a kernel , user doesnt need to be exposed to it but it just is there..
[09:40] <darkmatter> vish: and the idea isn't new. even though the technology of today is higher. I can show you gui's (some highly antiquated) that if you look at how they approach managing data/activities are very much superior to what we have today, the reason they sputtered out is the same as why we don't have web convergence today
[09:40] <thorwil> vish: doesn't work once you have to know where files actually are. as is the case for backup/restore ;)
[09:41] <darkmatter> the tchnology at the time was.. well.. not there. and many never could have guessed how effen huge the OS would become as a uber bloaty entity
[09:42] <darkmatter> you don't need to know where the files are for backup/restore. you need to know 'wha' they are (gotta find them :P). the where can be abstracted
[09:42] <vish> thorwil: not necessarily , if i want an inkscape backup , i could just bring it from inkscape itself , and the backend does all the rest of the work.. [but I'm just giving an half-arsed response , multitasking here  :) ]
[09:44] <vish> heh , darkmatter same replies :)
[09:44] <darkmatter> half arsed is right :P
[09:45] <thorwil> vish: sure. if i want a backup of all my documents, i sure would like to make my way through a bitmap drawing app, a vector one, 3d, text editor ...
[09:45] <darkmatter> in the end it's about the organizational metaphor presented to the user
[09:46] <thorwil> anyway, who seriously thinks the iPad would be a good model for everything is a complete idiot :)
[09:47] <vish> ipad == a bigger iphone [and apple is milking everyone twice ;p ]
[09:47] <darkmatter> thorwil: oh. it was comparing to the iPodXXL? my bad. I thought it was referring to abstracting stuff
[09:47] <darkmatter> vish: no, an iPhone would still have a webcam :P
[09:48] <vish> lol
[09:48] <vish> darkmatter: apple will introduce it in ipad v2 and make users buy again ;)
[09:48] <thorwil> darkmatter: the staring point was http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2010-February/msg00010.html
[09:48] <thorwil> starting, even
[09:49] <darkmatter> but regardless, if done right you do not need to expose the filesystem and applications are obsolete.
[09:50] <darkmatter> but god no. the whole 'iClone' thing needs to die before it can be birthed
[09:52] <thorwil> yeah, that's why i said the new COO worries me. what a great addition to a mac-using design team
[09:53] <darkmatter> lol: "we're  fortunate to have people who specialize in Usability and User  Experience" <--- quit lying post-guy-whoever-you-are. cause every specialist who has *EVER* tried to help change linux has been told a "but.... it's too hard, and you're not paying us, so fuck off" sorta thing. be it ux, code, or other
[09:55] <darkmatter> the gnome/kde/whatever guys are only interested in enlisting the aid of crack-head anal-retentive fanboi's with delusions of grandeur. well, with the exception of the guys who poorly rip of osx :P
[09:58] <darkmatter> and this whole 'open specific apps to access <blah> because that's like the real world" is a good definition of 'Crackhead" xD
[09:59] <darkmatter> since that's the complete opposite of reality. in reality you know what you want out of your stuff, and you semi-instinctively fetch it. because it's your stuff the steps in between are abstracted
[10:02] <vish> darkmatter: the post guy is " wers "  ;)
[10:03] <wers> vish, hi
[10:03] <wers> what's up?
[10:03] <darkmatter> vish: cool
[10:03] <vish> wers: nah , nothing we were just discussing your mail to the usability ML
[10:03] <vish> wers: btw , Hi
[10:04] <vish> :)
[10:04] <wers> oh. ok cool. hehe
[10:06] <darkmatter> damn. no coffee left. guess that means I make some darjeeling
[10:07] <wers> just read the log. lol
[10:07]  * darkmatter runs to kitchen before he dries of and starts flaking away
[10:07]  * wers goes back to work
[10:13]  * darkmatter throws legos at vish :o
[10:14]  * thorwil hands darkmatter some duplos
[10:15] <darkmatter> \o/
[10:16]  * vish starts building a fort 
[10:18] <darkmatter> vish: once I was bored and built a BeBox out of my sons legos. :D
[12:34] <thorwil> snowing again. nasty white matter only causing additional work
[12:55] <zniavre_> widget "new-tooltip-style"  style "murrine-tooltips"  that is good into gtkrc?
[12:57] <thorwil> the next one will be new-new-tooltip-style?
[13:03] <zniavre_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gtk+2.0/2.19.5-1ubuntu1
[13:36] <zniavre_> is it possible to put the border_colors around menu itself ?
[13:37] <zniavre_> and / or notebook
[13:45] <zniavre_> http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5087/capture1rk.png   > menus are readable this way or i can forgot this idea ?
[13:45] <kwwii> vish: so your branch fixes the bugs in both human and darkroom right?
[13:46] <vish> kwwii: yup
[13:46] <kwwii> ok, I'll take that for now. Psyke83's stuff had other changes
[13:46] <kwwii> at least this will fix the bug for now ;)
[13:48] <kwwii> w00t All changes applied successfully.
[13:49] <kwwii> ouch, but you borked the changelog :P
[13:55] <kwwii> vish: ok, I approved the merge, merged the branch, set teh bug to fix commited, uploaded it to my ppa
[13:55] <kwwii> vish: once it builds on the ppa and we test it once, I will ping seb and get him to upload it
[13:55]  * vish cries
[13:55] <kwwii> tears of joy, I hope
[13:55] <vish> kwwii: was the space the problem?
[13:56] <vish> in the changelog?
[13:56] <kwwii> vish: yes, you had an extra space in two entries
[13:56]  * vish head-desks
[13:56] <kwwii> using dch -i is better
[13:56] <kwwii> I'll do the human-netbook theme now
[13:57] <vish> kwwii: that would have the same space too :( [/me still head-desking ]
[13:57] <kwwii> no worries ;)
[13:57] <vish> :)
[13:58] <thorwil> poor desk. hope it has no dent already :)
[13:59] <kwwii> it all depends on how hard your head is :P
[14:01]  * thorwil leaves the his dent-less but also coffee-less desk to go where the 2nd doesn't apply
[14:01] <darkmatter> I prefer listening to soft skulls head-desk. it's quite entertaining
[14:08] <kwwii> vish: hey, can you add a panel volume icon in humanity and humanity dark which don't have *any* level indicators?
[14:08] <vish> kwwii: already there .. there was a bug ara reported,
[14:09] <kwwii> vish: can you point me to that bug?
[14:09] <kwwii> it's for the new volume menu?
[14:09] <vish> kwwii: Humanity/status/24/stock_volume-0.svg
[14:09] <kwwii> vish: sweet, does that humanity package need to get into lucid?
[14:10] <vish> kwwii: its been there since karmic :D , but not used by the menu
[14:10] <kwwii> vish: erm, I want one without any level stuff at all
[14:10]  * vish finds bug#
[14:10] <kwwii> so just the speaker
[14:11] <vish> for volume=0 right , or for a speaker
[14:11] <kwwii> let me find the wiki page to explain
[14:14] <kwwii> vish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundMenu
[14:15] <vish> hmm , thats not right :(
[14:16] <vish> kwwii: compare > stock_volume-0.svg , stock_volume-max.svg if we have a speaker with bars at one end , wouldnt it require one without bars? , also gtk messes up the icon if it occupies less space
[14:17] <vish> wouldnt it require one with fewer bars*
[14:19] <kwwii> vish: we need one with no bars and with full bars...the one with no bars needs to be centered in the space
[14:21] <vish> kwwii: Bug #513714 , if the icon doesnt occupy space we already have a bit of blurriness.. , it isnt a problem doing the icon.. what name do you want it as ?
[14:24] <kwwii> vish: something like stock_speaker or such
[14:24] <kwwii> not sure exactly what it should be named
[14:24] <kwwii> did you see where it goes on that wiki page?
[14:24] <vish> kwwii: k... did mpt see the present icon? he was the one who recommended it so
[14:25] <kwwii> vish: look at that wiki page to understand where it goes first
[14:25] <kwwii> vish: and I think part of the reason that icon is blurry is because it is being scaled
[14:26] <vish> yeah , it scales , because gtk scales it , thats what upstream devs mention
[14:27] <kwwii> vish: does the icon not exist at all sizes?
[14:27] <kwwii> and are the svg's really at the correct size for each size needed?
[14:28] <vish> yup
[14:28] <vish> it is there in the 16,22 , 24px sizes..
[14:28] <vish> kwwii: i saw the wiki icon  [but the present icon was how mpt suggested he wanted the volume=0 , maybe he forgot >  Bug #444548 ]
[14:28] <vish> comment #12
[14:30] <vish> kwwii: the present icon will be consistent with the notify-osd icon too
[14:30] <kwwii> vish: look at the pic on the wiki page...we need an icon for the little speaker in the drop-down
[14:30] <kwwii> mpt drew that mockup
[14:31] <darkmatter> kwwii: the problem is gtk doesn't scale consistently. it doesn't jump sizes. if you're at 23 pixel's for a panel, for example, it will scale down the 24 instead of just plugging in the 22. also it does weird crap from tray applet to tray applet. like scaling down the largest available icon instead of using one of an applicable size
[14:31] <kwwii> darkmatter: well, that is not exactly true
[14:32] <kwwii> darkmatter: it depends on how the theme is setup and which sizes the icons are really made at
[14:32] <darkmatter> it's a part of the trend I refer to as 'GNOME sucks"
[14:32] <kwwii> lol
[14:33] <vish> kwwii: hmm , i have no probs adding the new icon :)   .. but i had this discussion with mpt during karmic release.. he mentioned that the notify-osd icon and the panel icon *need* to be similar  ... i think he forgot [kindly remind him].. I'll add the icon in the mean time
[14:33] <kwwii> vish: ok, I will bring it up with him then
[14:33] <kwwii> see what he says
[14:34] <vish> kwwii: also , when the user changes the volume , and when volume=0  , the icon in the panel wont match the icon in the drop-down
[14:34] <darkmatter> kwwii: not entirely. you can have a theme that is idealy constructed and still have issues. there's applets that try to use 48x48 on a 32 pixel panel for crying out loud. and I know for a fact the icon theme's I use have all sizes covered pixel perfect, because I'm OCD and meticulously fix things until time ends :P
[14:36] <darkmatter> some is gtk's fault, some is the fault of app(let) devs. I care not who is to blame in any specific case. just fix it ;o
[14:37] <kwwii> darkmatter: yes, I agree
[14:37] <kwwii> vish: ok, I asked mpt ;)
[14:38] <kwwii> he says that the 0% icon should have no waves coming out of it at all
[14:38] <vish> ;)
[14:38] <kwwii> whereas the mute should be the same but red
[14:38] <kwwii> so the current humanity icons need to change
[14:39] <kwwii> actually it's not that hard really
[14:39] <vish> kwwii: red as in the speaker turns red? o.0
[14:39] <kwwii> I can do it if you don't want to or don't have the time
[14:39] <kwwii> vish: yes, again, it is all on the wiki page under "Artwork Requirements"
[14:39] <vish> kwwii: heh , not a problem.. i was just making sure :)
[14:42] <darkmatter> I like the basic volume control spec. it's kinda similar to the designs I've been working on for any 'I live in teh icon!' functions (exposing what should be exposed instead of hiding it on right-click menus
[14:42] <darkmatter> you going to fully integrate it with pulse? (individual app sliders)
[14:44] <kwwii> no
[14:44] <kwwii> it is a main slider
[14:44] <darkmatter> k
[14:44] <kwwii> if your computer has good hardare it will know when you plug in a headphone
[14:45] <kwwii> and then it auto switches to that device
[14:45] <kwwii> if you have shit, you get a main slider and that is all
[14:45] <kwwii> audiophiles (such as myself) install the pulse stuff to get full control
[14:46] <vish> kwwii: 16px icon or 24px?
[14:46]  * vish adding now
[14:46] <darkmatter> was just curious since some apps have inconsistent sound output
[14:46] <kwwii> vish: it will need to be at 16, 22 and 24 at least
[14:46] <kwwii> as will all the panel icons
[14:47] <vish> k..
[14:47] <kwwii> probably even 32 for big resolutions/high dpi
[14:47] <kwwii> but that can wait
[14:47] <kwwii> the ubuntu panel currently uses 22x22 icons, btw
[14:48] <vish> not all icons ;) are 22px  , the volume is 24 and the nm is 24 :(
[14:48] <vish> that was the problem in karmic , but yay app indicators
[14:49] <kwwii> vish: ahh, right...bad applets
[14:49] <kwwii> I wish there was some kind of leadership in the gtk design world
[14:50] <kwwii> ok, I have a meeting in 10min, taking a short break
[14:50] <kwwii> bbl
[14:50] <vish> kwwii: the app indicators are actually using 16px icons not 22px :(   /me wishes they used bigger icons
[14:50] <kwwii> well, once we get simplified icons everywhere it will look better with small icons
[14:51] <vish> yeah
[15:10] <vish> kwwii: those two are in the theme now..
[15:10]  * vish afk
[15:10] <kwwii> killer ;)
[15:12] <vish> kwwii: dont forget to mention to mpt i was swearing at him ;p , these icons without bars where how it was earlier for low.. he insisted it to have lighter bars ;p
[15:12]  * vish now really afk
[16:55] <troy_s> thorwil: Ping.
[16:56] <thorwil> troy_s: gnip
[16:56] <troy_s> thorwil: That doesn't look right backwards.
[16:56] <troy_s> thorwil: How are things? Making hay?
[16:57] <thorwil> troy_s: no. currently working on my personal wiki page, so i can apply for ubuntu membership
[16:57] <thorwil> troy_s: that so i can get on planet ubuntu
[16:57] <troy_s> thorwil: What do you want that for?
[16:59] <thorwil> troy_s: to talk about design thinking. added visibility
[16:59] <troy_s> thorwil: Ah.
[17:50] <thorwil> kwwii: would you be so kind to add a "testimonial" to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThorstenWilms to help me with my membership application?
[17:51] <kwwii> thorwil: naturally!
[17:51] <kwwii> I cannot believe you don't already have membership
[17:53] <thorwil> kwwii: i don't like the idea of asking, having someone judging me. i consider myself a member by action. but now i want to have the option of reaching more people via the planet ;)
[17:53] <kwwii> thorwil: I can understand that
[17:53] <kwwii> thorwil: tell me where I should put it
[17:53] <kwwii> just at the end?
[17:54] <thorwil> kwwii: yes, end. with a == Testimonials == heading, i guess
[17:58]  * thorwil notes vish scheduled on the AsiaOceania board
[18:09] <thorwil> kwwii: thank you :D
[18:10] <kwwii> thorwil: you are very welcome
[18:27] <vish> thorwil: only now you are doing that o.0  ... now i'm ashamed :s  [well,another member asked me why i havent applied, so i thought why not]
[18:43] <dashua> kwwii, community-themes should be ready for review :)
[18:43] <dashua> Please let me know what I screwed up =/
[18:53] <thorwil> vish: pah, you have been more active since a while now and i explained the reason in my case ;p
[18:54] <vish> thorwil: hehe.. no blogs for me though ;)
[18:55] <vish> thorwil: as you are already aware , i have two left hands :D
[19:25] <psyke83> hi
[19:59] <vish> kwwii: around?
[22:13] <darkmatter> my current working music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0
[22:13] <darkmatter> let us see how trippy my next design will be ;o
[22:20] <kwwii> vish: hey
[22:20] <kwwii> vish: there were some problems with the version changes in the theme packages
[22:20] <kwwii> but seb uploaded them anyway
[22:20] <kwwii> the bzr history and such
[22:37] <darkmatter> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV4GAlI4C_Q
[22:41] <darkmatter> the  rant in the middle is funny, and awesome