persiaI guess.  I'm not sure I want to be subscribed to all of that, but I definitely like seeing the traffic regarding other stuff.00:00
hggdhpersia: what we found is we change the wiki, and nobody sees it. The changes I have been seeing are not excessive, anyway00:01
persiaI won't complain that much (I can filter, and I ignore mail a lot anyway), but I wonder if that might raise the perceived cost of subscription to the list, and I think there's a lot of discussion there that would be useful even to the casual triager.00:01
hggdhI agree -- and this is a trial, for all of that. But having the triagers Doing The Right Thingie (TM) is something we need00:03
hggdhand documentation goes straight into it00:03
hggdhpersia: I am not saying this is the best way...00:04
persiahggdh: Heh.  Yeah, well.  give it a shot.  I just have a deep-seated fear of information overload, and a memory of what happened before #ubuntu-bugs-announce00:08
persia(which volume got high enough finally to even drive me out)00:08
hggdhheh. I also remember it. I am not setting the subscription to trivial changes, anyway.00:09
* persia has to remember to check the "trivial" box more often00:09
hggdhLOL. You see, we are already changing our ways ;-)00:10
chrisccoulsoni'm trying to recreate the clipboard issue LimCore kept going on about earlier, but failing miserably00:17
chrisccoulsongtk applications work correctly00:18
hggdhthis is pretty good news, chrisccoulson00:19
chrisccoulsonhggdh - i can actually recreate it with firefox though00:20
chrisccoulsonbut it doesn't seem to be something that affects every application00:20
* chrisccoulson wonders what FF does differently00:20
chrisccoulsonit must clear the selection when it closes00:20
chrisccoulsoni'll run it through xtrace and find out00:20
hggdhchrisccoulson: micahg told me this will be resolved on next xul00:21
hggdhno. Mixing issues, sorry00:21
micahgchrisccoulson: hggdh: will be fixed in 3.700:21
chrisccoulsonmicahg, thanks00:22
chrisccoulsonso LimCore was making a big fuss over nothing00:22
micahgchrisccoulson: bug with patch is in there00:22
micahgchrisccoulson, not nothing, but something minor00:22
chrisccoulsonthe words "mountain" and "molehill" spring to mind00:23
hggdhwell, yes indeed.00:23
LimCorehey fellow bug fighters, who is using twitter?  Im on twitter limcore01:04
crimsunLimCore: probably denting (identi.ca)01:26
LimCorehttp://identi.ca/denting  no such user01:28
crimsunno, twitter -> "tweet"ing; identi.ca -> "dent"ing01:28
* micahg just dented about rebootless kernel updates01:31
zeroseven0183saw that... 30-day trial Ksplice01:32
LimCorewell then, what are your's identi.ca's IDs ;)  and can you controll it from jabber, like with tweet.im01:32
chrisccoulsoni had no idea what denting was until then01:33
chrisccoulsoni'm clearly no longer cool :(01:33
* LimCore points a cool'o'meter @ chrisccoulson01:33
chrisccoulsonheh ;)01:33
LimCoreyou have 50 megafonzies01:33
* LimCore http://multreality.com/wp-content/coolometer.png01:34
chrisccoulsonmicahg - gnome-control-center currently ships an entry for Firefox to be displayed in the default-applications capplet01:43
chrisccoulsonbut it seems firefox is shipping it's own xml file to add an entry there too01:43
chrisccoulsonis that intentional?01:43
micahgI thought that's how it's done?01:43
chrisccoulsonmicahg - for most applications, yes01:44
chrisccoulsonbut firefox is already in the g-c-c xml file01:44
micahgit is?01:45
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah01:46
micahgchrisccoulson: I don't think it's being used01:46
micahgthe one in the debian dir01:46
chrisccoulsonthe debian dir in the firefox packaging?01:47
micahgI don't see it being installed01:47
chrisccoulsonmicahg - on my system:01:47
chrisccoulsondpkg -S /usr/share/gnome-control-center/default-apps/firefox.xml01:47
chrisccoulsonfirefox-gnome-support: /usr/share/gnome-control-center/default-apps/firefox.xml01:47
micahgah, yeah01:49
chrisccoulsonno worries :)01:49
micahgI don't have that package installed right now01:49
chrisccoulsondo you want to remove that at some point? (no hurry)01:49
micahgand it's listed as firefox*.xml01:49
chrisccoulsoni'm just updating the gnome-control-center XML description to not rename the icon name to firefox-3.501:50
micahgyeah, are we sure it's not going to disappear from g-c-c01:50
micahgchrisccoulson: doesn't the firefox one say namoroka?01:50
chrisccoulsonmicahg - it's not going to disappear from g-c-c (not this cycle anyway)01:50
chrisccoulsonyeah, it says namoroka01:50
micahgchrisccoulson: so, does it show up as that in the menu?01:51
chrisccoulsonmicahg - it shows up as that in the default-applications dialog01:51
micahgah, see that's bad too01:51
micahgchrisccoulson: can you file a bug and assign to me01:51
chrisccoulsonyeah, can do01:52
micahgchrisccoulson: thanks01:53
micahgwe're doing a release sometime in the next day, I don't know if this will get in or now01:54
ddecatormicahg, sounds like your busy, but the OP for bug 518913 reinstalled karmic and doesn't have the problem anymore, and he just -thinks- java might have been to blame, but i'm guessing that there is nothing we can do to get enough info for devs...this may be redundant to ask, but idk how much info is needed for firefox reports02:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 518913 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox crashes constantly (affects: 1) (dups: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51891302:06
micahgddecator: yep, go ahead and close02:07
ddecatormicahg, thanks for the clarification02:07
kermiacbug 519616 would the standard "not an ubuntu package" response be applicable as ff 3.7 is not in the repos?03:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 519616 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Firefox 3.7a2pre crashes on start (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51961603:32
ddecatori love FF 3.7 =)03:32
kermiacty for your help with bug 515422 crimsun :)03:33
ubot4Launchpad bug 515422 in linux (Ubuntu) "Some ALC260 0x103c3012 variants need model=will (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51542203:33
ddecatorkermiac, you could ask him to try starting it in safe-mode to see if it still crashes. if it doesn't, then it's a settings problem03:34
ddecatoradd-ons aren't playing nice with ff 3.7 since they made it a2 >.>03:35
kermiacddecator: true, but I think this bug is actually invalid as we only have ff 3.6 in the repos03:37
ddecatorkermiac, idk what the policy is...i think it would be good to watch bugs in 3.7 since it will someday be in the repos, but you'd have to ask someone else about whether or not we're going to do that03:38
ddecatorof course, micah isn't on, and idk any other members of the mozilla team, so...03:38
* kermiac shrugs03:40
kermiacoh well, I'll just subscribe to the bug for now & check back later :)03:40
ddecatori did too. idk if we'll confirm it or not, but worst case scenario i'm going to comment to see if i can't at least help him out =p03:41
kermiacok, I'll let you handle it ddecator. I'm not a fan of ff bugs :)03:42
* ddecator plans on learning from micah and specializing if ff bugs03:42
kermiacyeah, I remembered that... that's another reason why I'm happy to step down & let you handle it :)03:43
kermiacI'm still trying to decide what I should specialise in. I'm kinda wondering around aimlessly triaging bugs wherever I can ;)03:46
ddecatorkermiac, that's what i'm doing for now. it's good to be able to handle various types of bugs =)03:46
ddecatorthere, i marked it incomplete until he gets back so it will be kinda hidden. if it's a real bug, i'll just point him to mozilla's bugzilla so he can report it there03:49
ChogyDanis `ubuntu-bug <package-name>` known to be not working in lucid?03:50
kermiacgood idea ddecator. I was just going to point him towards the mozilla BTS & mark it as invalid. The way you're handling it is nicer/better :)03:52
ddecatorkermiac, i sympathize with other firefox testers ;)03:52
kermiacChogyDan: no, it was working for me in lucid 2 days ago03:52
ChogyDanhmm, interesting.  I suppose I will just give it a week  :)  thanks03:53
ddecatormicah might tell me it's invalid, which i'm sure it is, but we'll deal with that once he reports back03:53
kermiacnp ChogyDan :)03:57
nigel_nbhggdh, hey.. can you help me debug the evo bug I had yday?04:00
ddecatorbug 518840, can someone please set to [medium, triaged]? (i'm thinking medium because it affects the functionality of a core app)04:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 518840 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Previous" button stops working after 4 seconds into a song (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51884004:06
ddecatorscratch that, i got a comment on the upstream report that might have a fix04:12
nigel_nbddecator, that is not a fix per se04:22
nigel_nb ;004:22
ddecatornigel_nb, true, but it would resolve the issue, haha04:23
* ddecator is learning new things every day04:23
nigel_nbme too!04:23
nigel_nbI'm playing with notify-osd now04:23
ddecatorwhat do you mean by "playing with"? working on bugs for it or actually dealing with the config?04:24
nigel_nbwell, both  ;)04:26
nigel_nbi'm dealing with config to understand what when wrong for a bug report04:26
ddecatorah, gotcha04:26
ddecatornever looked at the config04:26
nigel_nbme neither.  i just talked to a dev and I have some clue now04:27
ddecatorthat's how you learn, haha04:27
ddecatoror how you should learn i guess...04:28
ddecatori learned a few things the hard way in the past >.<04:28
ddecatormicahg, should ff 3.7 bugs technically be closed and pointed to bugzilla?04:34
micahgddecator: no04:34
micahgddecator: bug #?04:34
ddecatorbug 519616, kermiac and i weren't sure since there is no official firefox-3.7 package in the repos04:35
ubot4Launchpad bug 519616 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Firefox 3.7a2pre crashes on start (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51961604:35
micahgddecator: they should be tagged ppa, checked for dupes and upstreamed04:35
micahgddecator: and assigned to firefox right now04:35
ddecatorperfect, thanks =)04:36
micahgddecator: plus I think that guy's a spammer04:36
ddecatorthe nospammail thing?04:36
micahgddecator: no, but the user has added tasks/assignees to many bugs and is almost a nuisance04:36
ddecatormicahg, ah...well we'll see what happens. if he gets back and it's a bug then i'll check for dupes and everything04:37
ddecatordid you see that kermiac ?04:38
micahgddecator: my guess is that it's the flash OOPP issue04:39
kermiacyes, ty micahg & ddecator :)04:39
ddecatormicahg, what does OOPP stand for?04:39
micahgddecator: Out Of Process Plugins04:39
ddecatormicahg, oh yah, i disabled that so i forgot about it...04:40
micahgddecator: mozilla is working on fixing it this week hopefully for flash and java04:40
micahgor at least flash04:40
ddecatorgood, if they do i'll re-enable it04:40
ddecatormicahg, oh, thanks for adding the tag and comment, haha, i was just about to do that04:44
nigel_nbmicahg, how do we know if an app has apport hook ?04:46
micahgnigel_nb: dpkg -L PKG | grep apport04:46
micahgnigel_nb: basically you have to look04:47
micahgyou can check on packages.ubuntu.com as well04:47
nigel_nbit will be a file?04:47
nigel_nbmicahg, do you know how to write a hook?04:47
micahgnigel_nb: no04:48
micahgnigel_nb: you want to write one?04:49
nigel_nb anyone has adobe reader installed in ubuntu?05:16
jpicheI'm having a problem and with Lucid, and am wondering if it's worth filing a bug report for. I've been with lucid for about a week now, but today (maybe after an upgrade), whenever I hit the enter key, the machine stops responding06:02
jpichei'm not sure if it's a kernel panic though because if i have music playing, it keeps playing06:03
trevI'm having a strange issue with files in vim/eclipse vs. gedit/bluefish06:43
trevedits to files in eclipse will show up in eclipse and vim but not gedit and bluefish06:43
trevIs it a bug or something I need to enable?06:44
kermiacjpiche: it sounds like a known issue. bug 51641206:50
ubot4Launchpad bug 516412 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> causes X to freeze (affects: 59) (dups: 13)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51641206:50
jpichekermiac: thank you very much06:51
kermiacnp jpiche :)06:51
kermiacshould function key/ hotkey bugs be filed against "gnome-settings-daemon" in Karmic?06:56
kermiacmore specifically the hotkeys that control volume06:56
ubot4Launchpad bug 519050 in netbook-launcher (Ubuntu) "netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_newv() (affects: 7) (dups: 3)" [Critical,Fix released]07:22
DamasceneI've had this or something like it07:23
Damascenenow the left panel blink all the time07:23
kermiacDamascene: did you try "killall gnome-panel" NOTE: this will reset all panels back to default (including icons, etc)07:33
kermiacso if you have highly customised panels you may not wish to do that07:34
nigel_nbpersia, at what point does apport hooks get added to a package? when they come into ubuntu?08:05
persiaI think you're asking a different question than the one that can be answered sanely, and likely a different one that you intend to ask.08:05
persiaSo, I'll answer a couple other questions, and after that, if you still want to ask that, I'll give it a shot :)08:06
nigel_nbpersia, sorry if I came out unclear08:06
nigel_nbpersia, I want to add a apport-hook to a package, do I add it upstream or downstream...package is notify-osd08:07
persiaFirstly: "How does apport know when to file bugs?": apport traps program crashes, and stores the coredump with various debugging information in a crash file.08:07
persiaOh, that's a completely different question than the usual class :)08:07
* persia aborts, and looks up the answer08:07
persiaRight.  Seems those are Ubuntu-specific patches.08:10
persiaI suspect the same sort of patches would be interesting to any other distribution that used apport, but I don't happen to know of any.08:10
persia(more from lack of research than anything else)08:10
nigel_nbpersia, so I'll open a bug and propose a patch?08:12
nigel_nb(or rather diff)08:13
persiaThat seems sane.08:13
nigel_nbthanks :)08:15
crimsunkermiac: (re: Fkeys/hotkeys) not necessarily08:22
crimsunkermiac: there are a couple of points, namely linux and whatever handles them in an X.Org session08:22
kermiacok, ty crimsun08:25
nigel_nbah, well here too!08:57
BUGabundo_remote{quick} morning09:35
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nigel_nbpedro_, shall I go ahead and set up a wiki page for the classes?11:17
nigel_nbsorry to be late getting back (had a hectic day)11:17
pedro_nigel_nb, sure! that'd be great11:17
nigel_nbin a few hours I'll set it up and announce :)11:17
pedro_btw didn't know you have an identi.ca account ;-)11:18
* pedro_ following you 11:18
pedro_nigel_nb, thanks!11:18
* nigel_nb has been out of identi.ca for quite some time :)11:18
nigel_nbpedro_, you need to dent more ;)11:21
* BUGabundo_remote has an account on another statusnet server. long live open Federation11:22
pedro_nigel_nb, yeah haven't used a lot identi.ca lately, just twitter11:22
* BUGabundo_remote feels twitter is evil11:22
* nigel_nb is with BUGabundo_remote on that one11:23
nigel_nbpedro_, link your identi.ca to twitter and move to status net11:23
* BUGabundo_remote is afraid of what google buzz will do to our lives11:23
nigel_nb+1 for me is groups... I dont have to follow everyone.  just the main groups11:23
BUGabundo_remotebrainbird.net actually PULLs your twitter timeline11:23
BUGabundo_remoteso you see everything in one place11:23
* BUGabundo_remote rumbles about groups still not being federated. expected on OMB spec 0.211:24
nigel_nbanother 30 mins and my lucid vm will be up-to-date :)11:25
BUGabundo_remote30 min??11:25
nigel_nbyeah, dist upgrade now11:26
BUGabundo_remote$ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade11:26
BUGabundo_remoteis so fast11:26
BUGabundo_remoteahhh do-release-upgrade11:26
BUGabundo_remotedone that 4 months ago11:26
nigel_nbactually I got alpha 111:26
nigel_nband now going to alpha 311:26
BUGabundo_remoteon lucid day two11:26
nigel_nb(or whatever is current)11:26
BUGabundo_remotefeel free to update us in #ubuntu+111:27
SwedeMikepython-pyatspi won't install currently.11:34
SwedeMikeCompiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py ...11:35
SwedeMike  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py", line 5011:35
SwedeMike    finally:11:35
SwedeMike          ^11:35
SwedeMikeSyntaxError: invalid syntax11:35
yofeler, wasn't that supposed to be fixed?11:35
SwedeMikeI just did dist-upgrade (last time was 3 hours ago or so) and got that error.11:35
yofelSwedeMike: workaround: remove python2.4 if you don't need it11:35
SwedeMikedpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python-pyatspi:11:36
SwedeMike gnome-orca depends on python-pyatspi (>= 1.22.0) | python-pyatspi2; however:11:36
SwedeMike  Package python-pyatspi is to be removed.11:36
SwedeMike  Package python-pyatspi2 is not installed.11:37
yofelSwedeMike: yes, you can't remove atspi, remove python2.4 instead (nothing should require it today)11:37
SwedeMikeyes, I removed it (and -dev), then what?11:38
SwedeMikestill won't go thru --reconfigure correctly11:38
yofelbug  50635711:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 506357 in at-spi (Ubuntu) "package python-pyatspi 1.29.5-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: invalid syntax error for python2.4 (affects: 12) (dups: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50635711:39
yofelbug 50784211:41
ubot4Launchpad bug 507842 in python-central (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Does not honor XS-Python-Version if debian/control contains a empty line before the Source: line (affects: 4) (dups: 2)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50784211:41
giantpunehey boys,  i have another bug which i see has been mentioned already.  im just looking for a workaround11:44
giantpunei cannot install samba on ubuntu 9.10 AMD64 .  is there a workaround for it?11:45
LaibschI just tried to subscribe motu sponsors to bug 515805, but got http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_5.png11:45
ubot4Launchpad bug 515805 in gjots2 (Ubuntu) "Sync gjots2 2.3.9-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51580511:45
Laibschwhat's going on there?11:46
persiaLaibsch: Ask in #launchpad.  That oughtn't happen.11:47
abhijit_anybody online here?12:23
abhijit_how to solve the bug?12:24
abhijit_i am programmer12:24
abhijit_i want to help sove the bugs12:24
abhijit_whts the procedure?12:24
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pedro_abhijit_, you might want to have a look at  : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix12:26
SwedeMikeabhijit_: if you know about a bug and how to solve it, you can start by attaching patches to the launchpad bug report?12:27
vishabhijit_: also , you start with bugs which have been scheduled for Ubuntu 10.04 but havent been fixed yet > https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/lucid12:28
vishyou can start*12:29
pedro_hello vish12:29
vishpedro_: hi..12:29
persiaThat isn't a complete list of bugs to be fixed by 10.04, and fixing nearly any other bug is also good.12:29
vishpersia: what is the link for a complete list of scheduled bugs? [rather how do we grep those?]12:33
persiaThere isn't one.12:35
persiaThere's three or four different lists that people want to close, like the papercuts list, or the release-critical bugs list, or the miletoned list, etc.12:35
persiaBut most developers don't organise their work that way, rather just fixing bugs as they come.12:36
persiaSo, for instance, a developer might have an interest in some packages, and try to fix as many bugs as they can find there.12:36
persiaOr some developer may have some bugs that bother them, and fix those first.12:36
persiaOr some developer may monitor some set of test results, and try to fix bugs found there.12:37
persiaIf a new developer wants to contribute, it's generally best for them to find bugs that they are interested in fixing, rather than trying to chase bugs from the various lists (most of which already have someone else interested in fixing them).12:37
persiaThere might be overlap, but if we tell all the developers to work on the same bugs, we end up with lots of bugs getting no attention.12:38
vishpersia: we need to get dedicated devs for papercuts :D12:38
vishother projects have devs ;)12:38
persiaAre there no papercut devs?12:38
vishnope.. the papercuts are just a design team tasks , the bugs need to be fixed by someone from the community12:39
vishpersia: sometimes we ping the upstream devs , and they agree with the suggestions and fix them.. else someone reading blogs and other shout-outs pick them up and fix them12:40
vishand the patch it sent upstream as well [just mentioning ]12:41
persiaWell then.  You do need to recruit.12:41
persiaI'm not sure that every prospective developer should be pointed exclusively at the list, but I'll agree that having a couple people working on it would help.12:41
persiaBut of the papercuts I've seen, lots of them end up seeming simple but having deep complexities behind them.12:42
persiaSo I'm not sure they oughtn't be discussed upstream or with some developer who has significant experience in that area, rather than by somebody just trying to close papercuts.12:42
* vish agrees12:43
vishpersia: but those are rare.. some of them are still present [ex: the templates usage bug , forgot bug#]  we have those as well , and do discuss with upstream devs12:46
persiaYeah.  I probably only see them when they are messy :)  The smaller stuff is probably better done upstream anyway.12:47
^arky^can I mark this is triaged bug 51222713:11
ubot4Launchpad bug 512227 in iputils (Ubuntu) "typos in tracepath manpage (patch included) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51222713:11
^arky^can I mark this is triaged bug 512227  bug 48682313:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 512227 in iputils (Ubuntu) "typos in tracepath manpage (patch included) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51222713:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 486823 in openwsman (Ubuntu) "Typo in package description of libopenwsman-dev, libopenwsman1 and openwsman: "This packages" (affects: 1)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48682313:16
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hggdhbdmurray: please ping me when you are in15:00
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micahgI just added our monthly meeting to the Fridge...should show up within a day15:52
bdmurrayhggdh: hey16:23
mulambohay guys i am testing the new ubuntu 10.04 pre release on my laptop17:06
mulamboMy concern is when I install a new program, it appears in my applications menu, but any other users it is absent17:07
mulamboim sure that this is supposed to update automatically17:08
mulamboGNU paint......17:09
mulamboone example not working, or abiword17:09
mulambothey install, i can use them find but any other users cannot, i think this is a gnome problem?17:09
mulamboi'll check back if anyone cares to help a brotha out17:13
hggdhmulambo: yes, they should appear for all users17:14
mulamboso whats the next step to correct this?17:15
mulamboi think the new ubuntu should work ok on my old laptop17:15
hggdhheh. Open a bug on launchpad, and add documentation17:15
mulambook a custom one17:15
hggdhmulambo: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs17:15
mulamboalright thats good17:16
mulamboi'll do that thanks17:16
hggdhmulambo: welcome. Thank you for testing Lucid17:16
mulambok, keep up the good work 8.04 is amazing on this thing, i am hoping by testing my hardware stays supported, thanks again.17:18
komputesHi hggdh, I saw your name on the list of Bug Squad Mentors. Are you available for some guidance?19:25
hggdhkomputes: yes, I am. Right now?19:32
komputeshggdh: sure, or whenever it is best for you19:32
hggdhI have some time now, so let's do it ;-)19:33
hggdhkomputes: ^19:47
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qensesomeone tell pedro he rocks20:41
qenseHe just did three quarter of the New nautilus bugs.20:42
hggdhheh. Well, he *does* rock20:42
qensehe did spam my mailbox20:43
qenseI knew I shouldn't have subscribed to nautilus :P20:43
bdmurrayon lucid is 'look duplic' returning duplicate results for anyone else? ;-)20:44
hggdhbdmurray: not for me20:45
qensebdmurray: I haven't seen that here either20:46
bdmurrayyes, I'm suspecting I'm special20:46
hggdhbdmurray: see http://pastebin.com/f6dd1dcbd20:46
hggdhwell. You _are_ ;-)20:47
bdmurrayhggdh: what pages is the team subscribed to?20:49
qensebdmurray: I already have a small diff of proposed changes to HowToTriage for adding empty bug watches when marked bug watches as Confirmed, but I can't get the links to paragraphs on a page work right. But my main question is: do you think that an addition to HowToTriage is all that's needed?20:50
hggdhbdmurray: /BugSquad/.* and /Bugs/.*20:50
hggdher. take out the first '/'20:50
hggdhweird. the email with the update on the wiki page was sent to my personal email, *not* to the email I set as preferred for communications20:52
hggdhjust got it (twice, one for my Ubunut-related account, and one for my personal account)20:52
bdmurrayokay, I didn't see anything in the bug squad queue hence my question ;-)20:53
bdmurrayqense: yes, that sounds fine20:53
qensebdmurray: OK, I hope to be able to send a diff to the mailist this evening.20:53
hggdhbdmurray: the email should have been sent to the account marked as peferred, right?20:54
bdmurrayhggdh: I'd imagine but ...20:55
hggdhthis is really weird. I am set, on this account, with the correct primary address (for contacts). But I am also being asked to confirm it20:58
hggdhbdmurray: you will receive another confirmation request. Please blame LP, not me ;-)20:58
ADcomphello ..20:59
ADcompsome help for reporting a bug ?21:00
ADcompnot sure about the right package .. ( sorry for my poor english )21:01
persiaADcomp: No problem.  What's the issue?21:02
ADcompok .. I'm running Lucid. after upgrade : "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic"21:04
ADcomp"cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory"21:04
ADcomp/lib/udev/firmware.sh doesn't exist21:04
ADcompbut /lib/udev/firmware , yes ..21:04
thekornthis bug has already bee reported21:04
thekornlet me try to find it21:04
persia bug 51985521:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 519855 in udev (Ubuntu) "update-initramfs fails: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh does not exist (affects: 42) (dups: 8)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51985521:05
persiaThere's a patch in that bug that you can apply, or just wait a couple hours and dist-upgrade again.21:05
ADcompok .. sorry for disturb'21:05
persiarebooting in the meantime may or may not work, depending on your hardware.21:05
thekornhmm, persia was faster, as always ;)21:06
persiaADcomp: You might also find #ubuntu+1 a useful channel : there's a lot of users of the development release there, who may have good answers to known issues.21:06
ADcompI just make a symbolic link to firmware and "sudo dpkg --configure -a"21:06
ADcompwork for me21:06
persiaThat works too, but you might want to remove the symbolic link before the next dist-upgrade.21:06
ADcompyes .. for sure21:07
ADcompanyway , thanks for your time :)21:07
qensebdmurray: not going to get the wiki proposal done today, I'll have it ready tomorrow21:11
JoshuaLhello, i want to report a bug about unstable connections with wpa2-enterprise. what info is needed to fill in such bug report?21:15
BookmanI seem to be having a problem even searching to see if a bug exists in launchpad at the moment and I've reported that to launchpad.  I'm just trying to see if anyone has addressed the issue of Wicd no longer working with Ubuntu 10.04 after an update two days ago.  It will not obtain an IP address from a wired/wireless router anymore.21:16
kklimondaBookman, you can try using http://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ and see if it works better21:19
kklimondahey BUGabundo21:20
bdmurrayThere was an issue with dchp3-client that has been resolved now21:20
BUGabundohey kklimonda21:20
bdmurrayso it might have been that21:20
BUGabundodo you rememer how to restat pulseaudio?21:20
BUGabundomine some how died21:21
bdmurraybug 51920621:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 519206 in dhcp3 (Ubuntu) "if closure missing in dhclient--script of dhcp3-client_3.1.3-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (affects: 3) (dups: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51920621:21
kklimondaBUGabundo, start-pulseaudio-x11 ?21:21
hggdhJoshuaL: what is your Ubuntu version?21:21
* BUGabundo tries21:21
JoshuaLhggdh, 9.1021:21
BUGabundo$ start-pulseaudio-x1121:21
BUGabundoConnection failure: Connection refused21:21
BUGabundopa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused21:21
BUGabundonot good21:21
Bookmankklimonda, same error21:21
kklimondaBookman, yes, I get it on the main page too - I just never really use it :)21:22
hggdhJoshuaL: server or desktop?21:22
kklimondaBookman, see if it's a bug that bdmurray linked to21:22
Bookmankklimonda, I'm giving up on it all....too hard to submit/search for a bug21:22
kklimondaBUGabundo, and can't you just run pulseaudio from terminal?21:22
kklimondaBUGabundo, it should detach just fine21:22
JoshuaLhggdh, desktop21:24
hggdhyou can open a bug with 'ubuntu-bug network-manager'; it will populate the bug with some basic data. The n-m triagers may then ask you for something special21:26
hggdhJoshuaL: ^21:26
JoshuaLhggdh, thanks :)21:27
hggdhJoshuaL: welcome21:27
plarsbdmurray: is there a bug tag (or any other mechanism) to tell from an lp bug whether a fix is available for it?22:14
persiaThere isn't.22:15
persiaThe closest is the various patch tags22:15
plarsbdmurray: looking for the existence of a patch attached to the bug, or fix-committed state isn't always enough.  There are some where the fix is a pointer to an email archive with a description of the fix or a patch attached22:15
plarspersia: I saw the patch-* tags in w.u.c/Bugs/Tags, but I also saw him using just a generic "patch" tag, which I was wondering if maybe that was the intent of it22:16
persiaplars: Yes, but "patch", "patch-needswork" and "patch-refused" don't cover the case you want :)22:16
persia"patch" is old.  I used to use it to indicate that someone had a not-attached patch available.22:16
plarspersia: right22:16
persiaBut I got complaints about it a few times, and stopped.22:17
persiaI think the trick is to just not use it for stuff the desktop team is watching.22:17
plarspersia: in that case, it could also cover things like links to patches in a mailing list archive, no?22:17
persiaBecause they tend to be extra-sensitive to extra bugmail for the tag being attached.22:17
persiaI used to use it that way, but like I said, I got complaints, because it added to some people's bugmail for bugs they were already watching.22:18
persiaplars: Given the various automation tools that are being developed around patches, I think current best practice is to go grab the referenced patches, verify they apply to current code, and attach them.22:18
persiaMake sure to add enough information about the source of the patch so that someone can complete the DEP3 header for it.22:19
persiahttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-fixing-bugs-with-patches is the current blueprint about this stuff.22:19
persiaawe_: Hey.  Are you following bug 510481 ?  I remember you were interested in this.22:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 510481 in jack-audio-connection-kit (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Jack-audio-connection-kit (affects: 5)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51048122:20
arandRecent invalidation of Bug #510571 , I think incorrectly, am I right on that?22:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 510571 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "-11 & later kernels won't boot with acpi, -10 works, Lucid (affects: 8)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51057122:20
awe_persia, nope, hadn't seen it.  been heads down on oem work...22:20
persiaawe_: "busy at $work" is always a good excuse :)  Anyway, you might want to subscribe just to know the outcome if it happens/doesn't happen.22:21
awe_sure, thanks for the heads-up!22:21
plarspersia: fair enough, but I suspect there may be other cases I'm not thinking of at the moment for "fix-available", other than actually having a patch out there that we could harvest and attach22:22
persiaarand: I think the "linux (Ubuntu)" task being set to Invalid is probably correct.  I don't think that the triage was complete though, because there's no virtualbox task to track that work.  It probably needs a virtualbox task, or to be marked duplicate to some existing virtualbox bug.22:23
arandBut the fact is that it broke between kernel versions not virtualbox version.22:24
persiaplars: There's actually lots of cases of that.  However, over the past while Ubuntu Developers have been deplorably bad about actually looking for available fixes for arbitrary bugs, so there's already more stuff that has a proposed potential solution than is getting reviewed.22:25
persiaI don't think we're yet starved enough for already available fixes that using a fix-available marker helps.22:25
persiaGenerally, the push has been to encourage those who have the skills to determine that a fix is available to join the ranks of Ubuntu Developers in order to get it reviewed.22:25
nigelbabuunder what package does gnome-display-tools come under?22:26
persiaI'm becoming ever more convinced this is a bad workflow, but I'm not sure that adding more fix-available things helps right now :)22:26
plarspersia: this is more for bug tracking purposes than for locating bugs that have an available fix, however nothing should prevent people from using it to find bugs that have a *known* available fix22:26
persiaplars: Can you give me an example?22:27
plarspersia: for instance, for the release status where often times we have a list of bugs that are "fix-available"22:27
plarsnigelbabu: gnome-control-center has gnome-display-properties22:29
nigelbabuthanks plars :)22:29
nigelbabuI've been trying to check 2 to 3 sources now :)22:29
plarsnigelbabu: assuming it's gnome-display-properties that you're looking for22:29
persianigelbabu: apt-file may be a useful tool for you.22:29
plarsor dpkg -S22:30
nigelbabupersia, yes indeed.  I need to learn to use tools that i have instead of looking at sources of guessed packags22:30
persiaplars: So the idea is to be able to generate a report on some set of bugs to indicate "these are untriaged", "these we understand", "these have some proposed fix", "these have been fixed"?22:30
plarspersia: something like that, yes22:31
yofelnigelbabu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage has good instructions for that22:31
persiaplars: I'd probably use the "patch" tag for that, because it doesn't imply that the available "fix" actually fixes the issue.22:31
bdmurrayplars: the kernel team uses cherry-pick for bugs with a commit id22:32
persiaplars: Just be warned that if you add that to too many bugs with certain subscribers, there may be complaints (but you'd get that for any tag to meet your use case)22:32
bdmurrayI'd rather a tag other than patch was used though as that is supposed to mean a rather specific thing22:32
plarspersia: noted, which is one reason why I'm looking to see if there is already another mechanism of doing this22:33
persiabdmurray: Well, why not patch, assuming that there is a referenced patch available?22:33
bdmurraybecause it isn't attached to the bug?  I guess it would work though22:34
plarsbdmurray: so normally the patch tag would have what specific meaning?22:35
bdmurraywell a patch is attached but that's a separate launchpad search so have the tag mean either a patch is attached or linked to seems fine22:36
persiaI used to also use it in cases where a patch was in text in a comment, before I stopped using it.22:36
plarsbdmurray: ok, so should this be added to w.u.c/Bugs/Tags?22:41
plarscurrently only patch-needswork and patch-refused are listed there22:42
bdmurrayplars: yeah, that'd be awesome22:42
plarsbdmurray: ok, thanks!22:43
* persia cheers the restoration of the patch tag, and intends to start using it again, now that it's on the wiki again.22:43
bdmurrayalso feel free to subscribe ubuntu-reviwers to bugs with patches22:44
micahgbdmurray: there's a reviewers team now?22:47
persiaThe reviewers team just doesn't get enough press.  It needs more hands.22:48
micahgbdmurray: sorry, I'm a little behind on blog posts22:48
bdmurrayI was gonna e-mail ubuntu-devel about it too22:49
persiaPlease do.22:50
persiaback through Intrepid or so we tended to be good about it, and somewhere around there just stopped grabbing patches and uploading them.22:50
bdmurrayWell, I'd hoped that everybody just read my blog. ;-)22:50
nigelbabuI did :)22:50
nigelbabubut didn't you already send out a mail about it?22:51
persiaI mostly read blogs on planet, and I'm sure I miss posts because I don't read it often enough (some days seem to be special blog days)22:51
nigelbabupersia, add it to thunderbird?22:52
persianigelbabu: At one point I was using liferea for a similar purpose, but ended up not reading any blogs at all that way.22:53
nigelbabupersia, thunderbird checks feeds along with your mail, so you end up reading.  trust me ;)22:53
persianigelbabu: You obviously have never sent me mail :)22:54
nigelbabupersia, dont tell me you get mails for all gnome packages ;)22:54
* persia already doesn't read that in a reliable fashion22:54
persiaNo, but I get more than I can read.22:54
nigelbabuah, then you're out of luck.  Too much to read22:54
* micahg has a similar problem...90k unread RSS feed entries22:56
persiaAt least with planet, I can check it every once in a while and catch up on stuff in a way that doesn't block anything else (what's one more browser pane)22:57
nigelbabumicahg, "ouch"22:57
bdmurrayjibel: can we write a pattern for bug 51988223:00
ubot4Launchpad bug 519882 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with CacheExceptionDpkgInterrupted in __init__() (affects: 25) (dups: 23)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51988223:00
jibelbdmurray, let me see23:01
hggdhbdmurray: did you get a wiki update to relase to the ML?23:01
bdmurrayhggdh: I've approved a couple23:05
nekohayohello folks, I am one of the upstream bug triagers and testers for PiTiVi23:06
hggdhbdmurray: so it is working! Good23:06
nekohayotomorrow I'm at home, so hopefully I should be able to help in the bug day23:06
* micahg is getting duplicates now :)23:06
* hggdh also23:06
bdmurraynekohayo: that'd be great!23:07
nekohayoso if you folks need help/info, I'm always sitting in #pitivi (I may take a look at #ubuntu-bugs once in a while tomorrow I guess, but you will need to poke me if you have a question)23:08
jibelbdmurray, I can do something, but it will be a rather generic pattern.23:17
jibelbdmurray, There's no specific error reported by u-m and the only source for the pattern is the Traceback.23:17
jibelbdmurray, anyway I give it a try.23:18
bdmurrayjibel: there is nothing in aptlog?23:20
bdmurrayor maybe add the libudev version in dependencies23:21
nigelbabuanything more I should be doing for bug 51933523:25
ubot4Launchpad bug 519335 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "misspelling when hovering the display-icon in the notification area (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51933523:25
bdmurraymicahg: did you read about bughugger?23:25
micahgbdmurray: I think so23:26
* micahg remembers talking to you about it23:26
bdmurrayI have some pre-ran json searches for you! http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/package/23:26
bdmurrayYou could load those in bughugger23:27
micahgbdmurray: thanks :)23:27
micahgbdmurray: this is a current list or a query?23:28
micahgah, just a list, but I can sort my quickly I suppose23:28
jibelbdmurray, aptlog is not always attached and doesn't log the failing installation. dependencies is only attached to very few reports.23:29
LimCoreI would really like to see which bugs have most affected people23:30
persianigelbabu: Inthe past, for bugs like that, I've sought a native speaker to confirm, made sure the locale affected was documented, and submitted the correction to Rosetta for review.23:30
micahgLimCore: you can do that in the LP interface23:30
LimCorebut LP can't handles such a (huge) sort with join apparently, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-users_affected_count&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&23:30
nigelbabupersia, I confirmed with a locale speaker23:30
LimCoremicahg: no, it times out always on this query23:30
persianigelbabu: Didn't see that in a comment :)23:30
persianigelbabu: What locale is it?23:31
nigelbabupersia, de23:31
bdmurraythis won't time out ;-) http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/bugs-with-most-users-affected.html23:31
micahgLimCore: LP seems to be having issues in general with bugs at the distro level for ubuntu23:31
nigelbabupersia, oh, I have to ask another locale person to comment?23:31
persiaI doubt that.  Likely de_AU.utf8 or de_DE.utf8 or something.23:31
bdmurrayjibel: dependencies would be attached to any apport bug and that's what patterns are used for right?23:31
LimCoremicahg: simply raising timeouts and query cache perhaps would be enough to help?23:32
LimCorenpviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV - 191723:32
micahgLimCore: nothing is simple WRT LP infrastructure23:32
persianigelbabu: That's one way, sure.  Another would be to install the locales on your machine and see which ones were affected.23:32
LimCorethat is true, flash is the biggest FAIL :)23:32
nigelbabupersia, oh, well, I'm getting the po file23:32
* LimCore hates flash with passion23:32
micahgLimCore: that bug is nspluginwrapper and maybe should be closed...it's on my list23:33
LimCoremicahg: you mean its fixed? it crashes all the time for me too23:33
LimCoreon 9.1023:33
persianigelbabu: That works too :)23:33
micahgLimCore: well, not exactly fixed23:33
micahgbut there are 3 of them...23:33
nigelbabupersia, well, it seems I got the wrong po.  I'm not which package that thing comes into.  I took gnome control center and its not there :(23:33
* LimCore imagines a world with no flash and no silvershit. Mmmmmm.23:34
micahgand I don't think it's under active development anymore...23:34
micahgLimCore: HTML5 :)23:34
persianigelbabu: It's in the langpacks, which you seemed to rightly understand by adding the Ubuntu Translations task, rather than an upstream task.23:34
persiaSo the po files are overridden by Rosetta.23:34
LimCoreHTML5, bringing lost of anonimization to a computer near you ;)23:34
ubot4Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.23:34
LimCoremicahg: but with proper browsers, it will be super cool, in example YT in native ffox :)23:35
micahgLimCore: if the gstreamer backend is ever implemented...23:36
micahgLimCore: YT is using h.26423:36
LimCoreesp if they do each tab in separate tab + resource usage limiting + pausing of idle tabs23:36
jibelbdmurray, no, I checked all duplicates and seen it attached only twice.23:36
LimCoreit would seem, flash can be responsible for like 50% higher computer bills, really23:36
nigelbabupersia, um, so how do I suggest a correction?23:37
LimCoreflash can suck all the cpu power you have, always23:37
persianigelbabu: I haven't used the interface in years, and suspect it has changed.23:37
persiaI'll recommend asking in #ubuntu-translators , but I'll see if I can find a good URL23:37
nigelbabupersia, is there a channel for translations?23:37
nigelbabupersia, you seem to be reading my mind :)23:38
LimCoresomeone should localize to Klingon, how cool would that be23:38
* persia wants automatic URL redirection in malone for centre/center23:38
bdmurrayjibel: hrmm, that sounds like a problem with apport somehow23:38
bdmurrayokay, I'll just unsubscribe bug control from that bug then23:39
persianigelbabu: I've been caught by a silly LP bug, but I think it's somewhere under https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu23:40
micahgLimCore: it's being discussed23:40
bdmurraysince it's fixed a pattern might be unnecessary23:40
nigelbabupersia, thanks :)23:40
LimCorebdmurray: cool.  Looking at first 4 positions in that list, I see a dupe btw ;) shouldnt that be merged23:40
jibelbdmurray, I'm testing the pattern against a bunch of reports right now. It should be ready soon.23:40
LimCoremicahg: or at least rename them into separate threads23:42
LimCoremicahg: I could go and mark all of this bugs dupes if someone would want23:46
micahgLimCore: nah23:46
micahganyone notice this Gerry C.?23:46
micahghggdh: ^^23:47
micahgbdmurray: at what point do bug comments become a nuisance?23:47
LimCorehmm how about.. paying some devels to fix the most common bugs in ubuntu like this listed there23:47
bdmurraymicahg: I'm not quite certain what you mean.23:49
* LimCore watches the crowd go wild. Noone thinks this idea is awesome?23:49
micahgbdmurray: people assigning and adding bug tasks that they shouldn't23:49
micahgLimCore: if you're writing teh checks, sure :)23:50
bdmurraymicahg: well, I'd try contacting the user first it might be an honest mistake23:57
bdmurraymicahg: Launchpad is rather confusing ;-)23:58
micahgbdmurray: I sent a message, but no response yet23:58
micahgI'm wondering if anyone else has seen this poster23:58
micahgI've had 3 or 4 incorrect actions taken by the person...I'm wondering if there are a lot more out ther23:58
micahgI only watch about 10 packages23:58
micahgactually, probably closer to 2023:59

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