[00:00] <persia> I guess.  I'm not sure I want to be subscribed to all of that, but I definitely like seeing the traffic regarding other stuff.
[00:01] <hggdh> persia: what we found is we change the wiki, and nobody sees it. The changes I have been seeing are not excessive, anyway
[00:01] <persia> I won't complain that much (I can filter, and I ignore mail a lot anyway), but I wonder if that might raise the perceived cost of subscription to the list, and I think there's a lot of discussion there that would be useful even to the casual triager.
[00:03] <hggdh> I agree -- and this is a trial, for all of that. But having the triagers Doing The Right Thingie (TM) is something we need
[00:03] <hggdh> and documentation goes straight into it
[00:04] <hggdh> persia: I am not saying this is the best way...
[00:08] <persia> hggdh: Heh.  Yeah, well.  give it a shot.  I just have a deep-seated fear of information overload, and a memory of what happened before #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[00:08] <persia> (which volume got high enough finally to even drive me out)
[00:09] <hggdh> heh. I also remember it. I am not setting the subscription to trivial changes, anyway.
[00:09]  * persia has to remember to check the "trivial" box more often
[00:10] <hggdh> LOL. You see, we are already changing our ways ;-)
[00:17] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to recreate the clipboard issue LimCore kept going on about earlier, but failing miserably
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> gtk applications work correctly
[00:19] <hggdh> this is pretty good news, chrisccoulson
[00:20] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - i can actually recreate it with firefox though
[00:20] <chrisccoulson> but it doesn't seem to be something that affects every application
[00:20]  * chrisccoulson wonders what FF does differently
[00:20] <chrisccoulson> it must clear the selection when it closes
[00:20] <chrisccoulson> i'll run it through xtrace and find out
[00:21] <hggdh> chrisccoulson: micahg told me this will be resolved on next xul
[00:21] <hggdh> no. Mixing issues, sorry
[00:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hggdh: will be fixed in 3.7
[00:22] <chrisccoulson> micahg, thanks
[00:22] <chrisccoulson> so LimCore was making a big fuss over nothing
[00:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: bug with patch is in there
[00:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson, not nothing, but something minor
[00:23] <chrisccoulson> the words "mountain" and "molehill" spring to mind
[00:23] <micahg> indeed
[00:23] <hggdh> well, yes indeed.
[01:04] <LimCore> hey fellow bug fighters, who is using twitter?  Im on twitter limcore
[01:26] <crimsun> LimCore: probably denting (identi.ca)
[01:28] <LimCore> http://identi.ca/denting  no such user
[01:28] <crimsun> no, twitter -> "tweet"ing; identi.ca -> "dent"ing
[01:31]  * micahg just dented about rebootless kernel updates
[01:32] <zeroseven0183> saw that... 30-day trial Ksplice
[01:32] <zeroseven0183> interesting
[01:32] <LimCore> well then, what are your's identi.ca's IDs ;)  and can you controll it from jabber, like with tweet.im
[01:33] <chrisccoulson> i had no idea what denting was until then
[01:33] <chrisccoulson> i'm clearly no longer cool :(
[01:33]  * LimCore points a cool'o'meter @ chrisccoulson
[01:33] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[01:33] <LimCore> you have 50 megafonzies
[01:34]  * LimCore http://multreality.com/wp-content/coolometer.png
[01:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - gnome-control-center currently ships an entry for Firefox to be displayed in the default-applications capplet
[01:43] <chrisccoulson> but it seems firefox is shipping it's own xml file to add an entry there too
[01:43] <chrisccoulson> is that intentional?
[01:43] <micahg> yes
[01:43] <micahg> I thought that's how it's done?
[01:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg - for most applications, yes
[01:44] <chrisccoulson> but firefox is already in the g-c-c xml file
[01:45] <micahg> it is?
[01:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah
[01:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't think it's being used
[01:46] <micahg> the one in the debian dir
[01:47] <chrisccoulson> the debian dir in the firefox packaging?
[01:47] <micahg> yeah
[01:47] <micahg> I don't see it being installed
[01:47] <chrisccoulson> micahg - on my system:
[01:47] <chrisccoulson> dpkg -S /usr/share/gnome-control-center/default-apps/firefox.xml
[01:47] <chrisccoulson> firefox-gnome-support: /usr/share/gnome-control-center/default-apps/firefox.xml
[01:49] <micahg> ah, yeah
[01:49] <micahg> sorry
[01:49] <chrisccoulson> no worries :)
[01:49] <micahg> I don't have that package installed right now
[01:49] <chrisccoulson> do you want to remove that at some point? (no hurry)
[01:49] <micahg> and it's listed as firefox*.xml
[01:49] <micahg> :)
[01:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm just updating the gnome-control-center XML description to not rename the icon name to firefox-3.5
[01:50] <micahg> yeah, are we sure it's not going to disappear from g-c-c
[01:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: doesn't the firefox one say namoroka?
[01:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's not going to disappear from g-c-c (not this cycle anyway)
[01:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it says namoroka
[01:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, does it show up as that in the menu?
[01:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it shows up as that in the default-applications dialog
[01:51] <micahg> ah, see that's bad too
[01:51] <micahg> ok
[01:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you file a bug and assign to me
[01:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, can do
[01:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[01:54] <micahg> we're doing a release sometime in the next day, I don't know if this will get in or now
[01:54] <micahg> *not
[02:06] <ddecator> micahg, sounds like your busy, but the OP for bug 518913 reinstalled karmic and doesn't have the problem anymore, and he just -thinks- java might have been to blame, but i'm guessing that there is nothing we can do to get enough info for devs...this may be redundant to ask, but idk how much info is needed for firefox reports
[02:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 518913 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox crashes constantly (affects: 1) (dups: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518913
[02:07] <micahg> ddecator: yep, go ahead and close
[02:07] <ddecator> micahg, thanks for the clarification
[03:32] <kermiac> bug 519616 would the standard "not an ubuntu package" response be applicable as ff 3.7 is not in the repos?
[03:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519616 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Firefox 3.7a2pre crashes on start (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519616
[03:32] <ddecator> i love FF 3.7 =)
[03:33] <kermiac> ty for your help with bug 515422 crimsun :)
[03:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515422 in linux (Ubuntu) "Some ALC260 0x103c3012 variants need model=will (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515422
[03:34] <ddecator> kermiac, you could ask him to try starting it in safe-mode to see if it still crashes. if it doesn't, then it's a settings problem
[03:35] <ddecator> add-ons aren't playing nice with ff 3.7 since they made it a2 >.>
[03:37] <kermiac> ddecator: true, but I think this bug is actually invalid as we only have ff 3.6 in the repos
[03:38] <ddecator> kermiac, idk what the policy is...i think it would be good to watch bugs in 3.7 since it will someday be in the repos, but you'd have to ask someone else about whether or not we're going to do that
[03:38] <ddecator> of course, micah isn't on, and idk any other members of the mozilla team, so...
[03:40]  * kermiac shrugs
[03:40] <kermiac> oh well, I'll just subscribe to the bug for now & check back later :)
[03:41] <ddecator> i did too. idk if we'll confirm it or not, but worst case scenario i'm going to comment to see if i can't at least help him out =p
[03:42] <kermiac> ok, I'll let you handle it ddecator. I'm not a fan of ff bugs :)
[03:42]  * ddecator plans on learning from micah and specializing if ff bugs
[03:42] <ddecator> haha
[03:43] <kermiac> yeah, I remembered that... that's another reason why I'm happy to step down & let you handle it :)
[03:46] <kermiac> I'm still trying to decide what I should specialise in. I'm kinda wondering around aimlessly triaging bugs wherever I can ;)
[03:46] <ddecator> kermiac, that's what i'm doing for now. it's good to be able to handle various types of bugs =)
[03:49] <ddecator> there, i marked it incomplete until he gets back so it will be kinda hidden. if it's a real bug, i'll just point him to mozilla's bugzilla so he can report it there
[03:50] <ChogyDan> is `ubuntu-bug <package-name>` known to be not working in lucid?
[03:52] <kermiac> good idea ddecator. I was just going to point him towards the mozilla BTS & mark it as invalid. The way you're handling it is nicer/better :)
[03:52] <ddecator> kermiac, i sympathize with other firefox testers ;)
[03:52] <kermiac> ChogyDan: no, it was working for me in lucid 2 days ago
[03:52] <kermiac> hehe
[03:53] <ChogyDan> hmm, interesting.  I suppose I will just give it a week  :)  thanks
[03:53] <ddecator> micah might tell me it's invalid, which i'm sure it is, but we'll deal with that once he reports back
[03:57] <kermiac> np ChogyDan :)
[04:00] <nigel_nb> hggdh, hey.. can you help me debug the evo bug I had yday?
[04:06] <ddecator> bug 518840, can someone please set to [medium, triaged]? (i'm thinking medium because it affects the functionality of a core app)
[04:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 518840 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Previous" button stops working after 4 seconds into a song (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518840
[04:12] <ddecator> scratch that, i got a comment on the upstream report that might have a fix
[04:22] <nigel_nb> ddecator, that is not a fix per se
[04:22] <nigel_nb>  ;0
[04:23] <nigel_nb> ;)
[04:23] <ddecator> nigel_nb, true, but it would resolve the issue, haha
[04:23] <nigel_nb> hehe
[04:23]  * ddecator is learning new things every day
[04:23] <nigel_nb> me too!
[04:23] <nigel_nb> I'm playing with notify-osd now
[04:24] <ddecator> what do you mean by "playing with"? working on bugs for it or actually dealing with the config?
[04:26] <nigel_nb> well, both  ;)
[04:26] <nigel_nb> i'm dealing with config to understand what when wrong for a bug report
[04:26] <ddecator> ah, gotcha
[04:26] <ddecator> never looked at the config
[04:27] <nigel_nb> me neither.  i just talked to a dev and I have some clue now
[04:27] <ddecator> that's how you learn, haha
[04:28] <ddecator> or how you should learn i guess...
[04:28] <ddecator> i learned a few things the hard way in the past >.<
[04:29] <nigel_nb> heh
[04:34] <ddecator> micahg, should ff 3.7 bugs technically be closed and pointed to bugzilla?
[04:34] <micahg> ddecator: no
[04:34] <micahg> ddecator: bug #?
[04:35] <ddecator> bug 519616, kermiac and i weren't sure since there is no official firefox-3.7 package in the repos
[04:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519616 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Firefox 3.7a2pre crashes on start (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519616
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: they should be tagged ppa, checked for dupes and upstreamed
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: and assigned to firefox right now
[04:36] <ddecator> perfect, thanks =)
[04:36] <micahg> ddecator: plus I think that guy's a spammer
[04:36] <ddecator> the nospammail thing?
[04:36] <micahg> ddecator: no, but the user has added tasks/assignees to many bugs and is almost a nuisance
[04:37] <ddecator> micahg, ah...well we'll see what happens. if he gets back and it's a bug then i'll check for dupes and everything
[04:38] <ddecator> did you see that kermiac ?
[04:39] <micahg> ddecator: my guess is that it's the flash OOPP issue
[04:39] <kermiac> yes, ty micahg & ddecator :)
[04:39] <ddecator> micahg, what does OOPP stand for?
[04:39] <micahg> ddecator: Out Of Process Plugins
[04:40] <ddecator> micahg, oh yah, i disabled that so i forgot about it...
[04:40] <micahg> ddecator: mozilla is working on fixing it this week hopefully for flash and java
[04:40] <micahg> or at least flash
[04:40] <ddecator> good, if they do i'll re-enable it
[04:44] <ddecator> micahg, oh, thanks for adding the tag and comment, haha, i was just about to do that
[04:46] <nigel_nb> micahg, how do we know if an app has apport hook ?
[04:46] <micahg> nigel_nb: dpkg -L PKG | grep apport
[04:47] <micahg> nigel_nb: basically you have to look
[04:47] <micahg> you can check on packages.ubuntu.com as well
[04:47] <nigel_nb> it will be a file?
[04:47] <micahg> yep
[04:47] <nigel_nb> micahg, do you know how to write a hook?
[04:48] <micahg> nigel_nb: no
[04:48] <nigel_nb> hm
[04:49] <micahg> nigel_nb: you want to write one?
[04:49] <nigel_nb> yeah
[05:16] <nigel_nb>  anyone has adobe reader installed in ubuntu?
[06:02] <jpiche> I'm having a problem and with Lucid, and am wondering if it's worth filing a bug report for. I've been with lucid for about a week now, but today (maybe after an upgrade), whenever I hit the enter key, the machine stops responding
[06:03] <jpiche> i'm not sure if it's a kernel panic though because if i have music playing, it keeps playing
[06:43] <trev> I'm having a strange issue with files in vim/eclipse vs. gedit/bluefish
[06:43] <trev> edits to files in eclipse will show up in eclipse and vim but not gedit and bluefish
[06:44] <trev> Is it a bug or something I need to enable?
[06:50] <kermiac> jpiche: it sounds like a known issue. bug 516412
[06:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516412 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> causes X to freeze (affects: 59) (dups: 13)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516412
[06:51] <jpiche> kermiac: thank you very much
[06:51] <kermiac> np jpiche :)
[06:56] <kermiac> should function key/ hotkey bugs be filed against "gnome-settings-daemon" in Karmic?
[06:56] <kermiac> more specifically the hotkeys that control volume
[07:22] <Damascene> https://launchpad.net/bugs/519050
[07:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519050 in netbook-launcher (Ubuntu) "netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_newv() (affects: 7) (dups: 3)" [Critical,Fix released]
[07:23] <Damascene> I've had this or something like it
[07:23] <Damascene> now the left panel blink all the time
[07:33] <kermiac> Damascene: did you try "killall gnome-panel" NOTE: this will reset all panels back to default (including icons, etc)
[07:34] <kermiac> so if you have highly customised panels you may not wish to do that
[08:05] <nigel_nb> persia, at what point does apport hooks get added to a package? when they come into ubuntu?
[08:05] <persia> I think you're asking a different question than the one that can be answered sanely, and likely a different one that you intend to ask.
[08:06] <persia> So, I'll answer a couple other questions, and after that, if you still want to ask that, I'll give it a shot :)
[08:06] <nigel_nb> persia, sorry if I came out unclear
[08:07] <nigel_nb> persia, I want to add a apport-hook to a package, do I add it upstream or downstream...package is notify-osd
[08:07] <persia> Firstly: "How does apport know when to file bugs?": apport traps program crashes, and stores the coredump with various debugging information in a crash file.
[08:07] <persia> Oh, that's a completely different question than the usual class :)
[08:07]  * persia aborts, and looks up the answer
[08:08] <nigel_nb> :)
[08:10] <persia> Right.  Seems those are Ubuntu-specific patches.
[08:10] <persia> I suspect the same sort of patches would be interesting to any other distribution that used apport, but I don't happen to know of any.
[08:10] <persia> (more from lack of research than anything else)
[08:12] <nigel_nb> persia, so I'll open a bug and propose a patch?
[08:13] <nigel_nb> (or rather diff)
[08:13] <persia> That seems sane.
[08:15] <nigel_nb> thanks :)
[08:22] <crimsun> kermiac: (re: Fkeys/hotkeys) not necessarily
[08:22] <crimsun> kermiac: there are a couple of points, namely linux and whatever handles them in an X.Org session
[08:25] <kermiac> ok, ty crimsun
[08:57] <Speedy1> www.search2.net
[08:57] <nigel_nb> ah, well here too!
[08:57] <vish> ;)
[09:35] <BUGabundo_remote> {quick} morning
[11:17] <nigel_nb> pedro_, shall I go ahead and set up a wiki page for the classes?
[11:17] <nigel_nb> sorry to be late getting back (had a hectic day)
[11:17] <pedro_> nigel_nb, sure! that'd be great
[11:17] <nigel_nb> in a few hours I'll set it up and announce :)
[11:18] <pedro_> btw didn't know you have an identi.ca account ;-)
[11:18]  * pedro_ following you 
[11:18] <pedro_> nigel_nb, thanks!
[11:18]  * nigel_nb has been out of identi.ca for quite some time :)
[11:21] <nigel_nb> pedro_, you need to dent more ;)
[11:22]  * BUGabundo_remote has an account on another statusnet server. long live open Federation
[11:22] <pedro_> nigel_nb, yeah haven't used a lot identi.ca lately, just twitter
[11:22]  * BUGabundo_remote feels twitter is evil
[11:23]  * nigel_nb is with BUGabundo_remote on that one
[11:23] <nigel_nb> pedro_, link your identi.ca to twitter and move to status net
[11:23]  * BUGabundo_remote is afraid of what google buzz will do to our lives
[11:23] <nigel_nb> +1 for me is groups... I dont have to follow everyone.  just the main groups
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> brainbird.net actually PULLs your twitter timeline
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> so you see everything in one place
[11:24]  * BUGabundo_remote rumbles about groups still not being federated. expected on OMB spec 0.2
[11:25] <nigel_nb> another 30 mins and my lucid vm will be up-to-date :)
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> 30 min??
[11:26] <nigel_nb> yeah, dist upgrade now
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> is so fast
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> ahhh do-release-upgrade
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> done that 4 months ago
[11:26] <nigel_nb> actually I got alpha 1
[11:26] <nigel_nb> and now going to alpha 3
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> on lucid day two
[11:26] <nigel_nb> (or whatever is current)
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> feel free to update us in #ubuntu+1
[11:34] <SwedeMike> python-pyatspi won't install currently.
[11:35] <SwedeMike> Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py ...
[11:35] <SwedeMike>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/pyatspi/__init__.py", line 50
[11:35] <SwedeMike>     finally:
[11:35] <SwedeMike>           ^
[11:35] <SwedeMike> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[11:35] <yofel> er, wasn't that supposed to be fixed?
[11:35] <SwedeMike> I just did dist-upgrade (last time was 3 hours ago or so) and got that error.
[11:35] <yofel> SwedeMike: workaround: remove python2.4 if you don't need it
[11:36] <SwedeMike> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python-pyatspi:
[11:36] <SwedeMike>  gnome-orca depends on python-pyatspi (>= 1.22.0) | python-pyatspi2; however:
[11:36] <SwedeMike>   Package python-pyatspi is to be removed.
[11:37] <SwedeMike>   Package python-pyatspi2 is not installed.
[11:37] <yofel> SwedeMike: yes, you can't remove atspi, remove python2.4 instead (nothing should require it today)
[11:38] <SwedeMike> yes, I removed it (and -dev), then what?
[11:38] <SwedeMike> still won't go thru --reconfigure correctly
[11:39] <yofel> bug  506357
[11:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506357 in at-spi (Ubuntu) "package python-pyatspi 1.29.5-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: invalid syntax error for python2.4 (affects: 12) (dups: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506357
[11:41] <yofel> bug 507842
[11:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 507842 in python-central (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Does not honor XS-Python-Version if debian/control contains a empty line before the Source: line (affects: 4) (dups: 2)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507842
[11:44] <giantpune> hey boys,  i have another bug which i see has been mentioned already.  im just looking for a workaround
[11:45] <giantpune> i cannot install samba on ubuntu 9.10 AMD64 .  is there a workaround for it?
[11:45] <giantpune> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg23728.html
[11:45] <Laibsch> I just tried to subscribe motu sponsors to bug 515805, but got http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_5.png
[11:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 515805 in gjots2 (Ubuntu) "Sync gjots2 2.3.9-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515805
[11:46] <Laibsch> what's going on there?
[11:47] <persia> Laibsch: Ask in #launchpad.  That oughtn't happen.
[11:47] <Laibsch> ok
[12:23] <abhijit_> anybody online here?
[12:24] <abhijit_> how to solve the bug?
[12:24] <abhijit_> i am programmer
[12:24] <abhijit_> i want to help sove the bugs
[12:24] <abhijit_> whts the procedure?
[12:26] <pedro_> abhijit_, you might want to have a look at  : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix
[12:27] <SwedeMike> abhijit_: if you know about a bug and how to solve it, you can start by attaching patches to the launchpad bug report?
[12:28] <vish> abhijit_: also , you start with bugs which have been scheduled for Ubuntu 10.04 but havent been fixed yet > https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/lucid
[12:29] <vish> you can start*
[12:29] <pedro_> hello vish
[12:29] <vish> pedro_: hi..
[12:29] <persia> That isn't a complete list of bugs to be fixed by 10.04, and fixing nearly any other bug is also good.
[12:33] <vish> persia: what is the link for a complete list of scheduled bugs? [rather how do we grep those?]
[12:35] <persia> There isn't one.
[12:35] <persia> There's three or four different lists that people want to close, like the papercuts list, or the release-critical bugs list, or the miletoned list, etc.
[12:36] <persia> But most developers don't organise their work that way, rather just fixing bugs as they come.
[12:36] <persia> So, for instance, a developer might have an interest in some packages, and try to fix as many bugs as they can find there.
[12:36] <persia> Or some developer may have some bugs that bother them, and fix those first.
[12:37] <persia> Or some developer may monitor some set of test results, and try to fix bugs found there.
[12:37] <persia> etc.
[12:37] <vish> yeah..
[12:37] <persia> If a new developer wants to contribute, it's generally best for them to find bugs that they are interested in fixing, rather than trying to chase bugs from the various lists (most of which already have someone else interested in fixing them).
[12:38] <persia> There might be overlap, but if we tell all the developers to work on the same bugs, we end up with lots of bugs getting no attention.
[12:38] <vish> persia: we need to get dedicated devs for papercuts :D
[12:38] <vish> other projects have devs ;)
[12:38] <persia> Are there no papercut devs?
[12:39] <vish> nope.. the papercuts are just a design team tasks , the bugs need to be fixed by someone from the community
[12:39] <vish> task*
[12:40] <vish> persia: sometimes we ping the upstream devs , and they agree with the suggestions and fix them.. else someone reading blogs and other shout-outs pick them up and fix them
[12:41] <vish> and the patch it sent upstream as well [just mentioning ]
[12:41] <persia> Well then.  You do need to recruit.
[12:41] <persia> I'm not sure that every prospective developer should be pointed exclusively at the list, but I'll agree that having a couple people working on it would help.
[12:42] <persia> But of the papercuts I've seen, lots of them end up seeming simple but having deep complexities behind them.
[12:42] <persia> So I'm not sure they oughtn't be discussed upstream or with some developer who has significant experience in that area, rather than by somebody just trying to close papercuts.
[12:43]  * vish agrees
[12:46] <vish> persia: but those are rare.. some of them are still present [ex: the templates usage bug , forgot bug#]  we have those as well , and do discuss with upstream devs
[12:47] <persia> Yeah.  I probably only see them when they are messy :)  The smaller stuff is probably better done upstream anyway.
[13:11] <^arky^> can I mark this is triaged bug 512227
[13:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512227 in iputils (Ubuntu) "typos in tracepath manpage (patch included) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512227
[13:16] <^arky^> can I mark this is triaged bug 512227  bug 486823
[13:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 512227 in iputils (Ubuntu) "typos in tracepath manpage (patch included) (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512227
[13:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 486823 in openwsman (Ubuntu) "Typo in package description of libopenwsman-dev, libopenwsman1 and openwsman: "This packages" (affects: 1)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/486823
[15:00] <hggdh> bdmurray: please ping me when you are in
[15:52] <micahg> I just added our monthly meeting to the Fridge...should show up within a day
[16:23] <bdmurray> hggdh: hey
[17:06] <mulambo> hay guys i am testing the new ubuntu 10.04 pre release on my laptop
[17:07] <mulambo> My concern is when I install a new program, it appears in my applications menu, but any other users it is absent
[17:08] <mulambo> im sure that this is supposed to update automatically
[17:09] <mulambo> GNU paint......
[17:09] <mulambo> one example not working, or abiword
[17:09] <mulambo> they install, i can use them find but any other users cannot, i think this is a gnome problem?
[17:13] <mulambo> ...
[17:13] <mulambo> i'll check back if anyone cares to help a brotha out
[17:14] <hggdh> mulambo: yes, they should appear for all users
[17:15] <mulambo> so whats the next step to correct this?
[17:15] <mulambo> :)
[17:15] <mulambo> i think the new ubuntu should work ok on my old laptop
[17:15] <hggdh> heh. Open a bug on launchpad, and add documentation
[17:15] <mulambo> ok a custom one
[17:15] <hggdh> mulambo: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:16] <mulambo> alright thats good
[17:16] <mulambo> i'll do that thanks
[17:16] <hggdh> mulambo: welcome. Thank you for testing Lucid
[17:18] <mulambo> k, keep up the good work 8.04 is amazing on this thing, i am hoping by testing my hardware stays supported, thanks again.
[17:34] <BUGabundo_remote> n
[19:25] <komputes> Hi hggdh, I saw your name on the list of Bug Squad Mentors. Are you available for some guidance?
[19:32] <hggdh> komputes: yes, I am. Right now?
[19:32] <komputes> hggdh: sure, or whenever it is best for you
[19:33] <hggdh> I have some time now, so let's do it ;-)
[19:47] <hggdh> komputes: ^
[20:41] <qense> someone tell pedro he rocks
[20:42] <qense> He just did three quarter of the New nautilus bugs.
[20:42] <hggdh> heh. Well, he *does* rock
[20:43] <qense> he did spam my mailbox
[20:43] <qense> I knew I shouldn't have subscribed to nautilus :P
[20:44] <bdmurray> on lucid is 'look duplic' returning duplicate results for anyone else? ;-)
[20:45] <hggdh> bdmurray: not for me
[20:45] <bdmurray> great
[20:46] <qense> bdmurray: I haven't seen that here either
[20:46] <bdmurray> yes, I'm suspecting I'm special
[20:46] <hggdh> bdmurray: see http://pastebin.com/f6dd1dcbd
[20:47] <hggdh> well. You _are_ ;-)
[20:49] <bdmurray> hggdh: what pages is the team subscribed to?
[20:50] <qense> bdmurray: I already have a small diff of proposed changes to HowToTriage for adding empty bug watches when marked bug watches as Confirmed, but I can't get the links to paragraphs on a page work right. But my main question is: do you think that an addition to HowToTriage is all that's needed?
[20:50] <hggdh> bdmurray: /BugSquad/.* and /Bugs/.*
[20:50] <hggdh> er. take out the first '/'
[20:52] <hggdh> weird. the email with the update on the wiki page was sent to my personal email, *not* to the email I set as preferred for communications
[20:52] <hggdh> just got it (twice, one for my Ubunut-related account, and one for my personal account)
[20:53] <bdmurray> okay, I didn't see anything in the bug squad queue hence my question ;-)
[20:53] <bdmurray> qense: yes, that sounds fine
[20:53] <qense> bdmurray: OK, I hope to be able to send a diff to the mailist this evening.
[20:54] <hggdh> bdmurray: the email should have been sent to the account marked as peferred, right?
[20:55] <bdmurray> hggdh: I'd imagine but ...
[20:56] <hggdh> checking
[20:58] <hggdh> this is really weird. I am set, on this account, with the correct primary address (for contacts). But I am also being asked to confirm it
[20:58] <hggdh> bdmurray: you will receive another confirmation request. Please blame LP, not me ;-)
[20:59] <ADcomp> hello ..
[21:00] <ADcomp> some help for reporting a bug ?
[21:01] <ADcomp> not sure about the right package .. ( sorry for my poor english )
[21:02] <persia> ADcomp: No problem.  What's the issue?
[21:04] <ADcomp> ok .. I'm running Lucid. after upgrade : "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic"
[21:04] <ADcomp> "cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory"
[21:04] <ADcomp> /lib/udev/firmware.sh doesn't exist
[21:04] <ADcomp> but /lib/udev/firmware , yes ..
[21:04] <thekorn> this bug has already bee reported
[21:04] <thekorn> let me try to find it
[21:05] <persia>  bug 519855
[21:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519855 in udev (Ubuntu) "update-initramfs fails: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh does not exist (affects: 42) (dups: 8)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519855
[21:05] <persia> There's a patch in that bug that you can apply, or just wait a couple hours and dist-upgrade again.
[21:05] <ADcomp> ok .. sorry for disturb'
[21:05] <persia> rebooting in the meantime may or may not work, depending on your hardware.
[21:06] <thekorn> hmm, persia was faster, as always ;)
[21:06] <persia> ADcomp: You might also find #ubuntu+1 a useful channel : there's a lot of users of the development release there, who may have good answers to known issues.
[21:06] <ADcomp> I just make a symbolic link to firmware and "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[21:06] <ADcomp> work for me
[21:06] <persia> That works too, but you might want to remove the symbolic link before the next dist-upgrade.
[21:07] <ADcomp> yes .. for sure
[21:07] <ADcomp> anyway , thanks for your time :)
[21:10] <ADcomp> bye
[21:11] <qense> bdmurray: not going to get the wiki proposal done today, I'll have it ready tomorrow
[21:15] <JoshuaL> hello, i want to report a bug about unstable connections with wpa2-enterprise. what info is needed to fill in such bug report?
[21:16] <Bookman> I seem to be having a problem even searching to see if a bug exists in launchpad at the moment and I've reported that to launchpad.  I'm just trying to see if anyone has addressed the issue of Wicd no longer working with Ubuntu 10.04 after an update two days ago.  It will not obtain an IP address from a wired/wireless router anymore.
[21:19] <kklimonda> Bookman, you can try using http://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ and see if it works better
[21:19] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:20] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo
[21:20] <bdmurray> There was an issue with dchp3-client that has been resolved now
[21:20] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda
[21:20] <bdmurray> so it might have been that
[21:20] <BUGabundo> do you rememer how to restat pulseaudio?
[21:21] <BUGabundo> mine some how died
[21:21] <bdmurray> bug 519206
[21:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519206 in dhcp3 (Ubuntu) "if closure missing in dhclient--script of dhcp3-client_3.1.3-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb (affects: 3) (dups: 2)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519206
[21:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, start-pulseaudio-x11 ?
[21:21] <hggdh> JoshuaL: what is your Ubuntu version?
[21:21] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:21]  * BUGabundo tries
[21:21] <JoshuaL> hggdh, 9.10
[21:21] <BUGabundo> $ start-pulseaudio-x11
[21:21] <BUGabundo> Connection failure: Connection refused
[21:21] <BUGabundo> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused
[21:21] <BUGabundo> not good
[21:21] <Bookman> kklimonda, same error
[21:22] <kklimonda> Bookman, yes, I get it on the main page too - I just never really use it :)
[21:22] <hggdh> JoshuaL: server or desktop?
[21:22] <kklimonda> Bookman, see if it's a bug that bdmurray linked to
[21:22] <Bookman> kklimonda, I'm giving up on it all....too hard to submit/search for a bug
[21:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, and can't you just run pulseaudio from terminal?
[21:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, it should detach just fine
[21:24] <JoshuaL> hggdh, desktop
[21:26] <hggdh> you can open a bug with 'ubuntu-bug network-manager'; it will populate the bug with some basic data. The n-m triagers may then ask you for something special
[21:26] <hggdh> JoshuaL: ^
[21:27] <JoshuaL> hggdh, thanks :)
[21:27] <hggdh> JoshuaL: welcome
[22:14] <plars> bdmurray: is there a bug tag (or any other mechanism) to tell from an lp bug whether a fix is available for it?
[22:15] <persia> There isn't.
[22:15] <persia> The closest is the various patch tags
[22:15] <plars> bdmurray: looking for the existence of a patch attached to the bug, or fix-committed state isn't always enough.  There are some where the fix is a pointer to an email archive with a description of the fix or a patch attached
[22:16] <plars> persia: I saw the patch-* tags in w.u.c/Bugs/Tags, but I also saw him using just a generic "patch" tag, which I was wondering if maybe that was the intent of it
[22:16] <persia> plars: Yes, but "patch", "patch-needswork" and "patch-refused" don't cover the case you want :)
[22:16] <persia> "patch" is old.  I used to use it to indicate that someone had a not-attached patch available.
[22:16] <plars> persia: right
[22:17] <persia> But I got complaints about it a few times, and stopped.
[22:17] <persia> I think the trick is to just not use it for stuff the desktop team is watching.
[22:17] <plars> persia: in that case, it could also cover things like links to patches in a mailing list archive, no?
[22:17] <persia> Because they tend to be extra-sensitive to extra bugmail for the tag being attached.
[22:18] <persia> I used to use it that way, but like I said, I got complaints, because it added to some people's bugmail for bugs they were already watching.
[22:18] <persia> plars: Given the various automation tools that are being developed around patches, I think current best practice is to go grab the referenced patches, verify they apply to current code, and attach them.
[22:19] <persia> Make sure to add enough information about the source of the patch so that someone can complete the DEP3 header for it.
[22:19] <persia> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-fixing-bugs-with-patches is the current blueprint about this stuff.
[22:20] <persia> awe_: Hey.  Are you following bug 510481 ?  I remember you were interested in this.
[22:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510481 in jack-audio-connection-kit (Ubuntu) "[MIR] Jack-audio-connection-kit (affects: 5)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510481
[22:20] <arand> Recent invalidation of Bug #510571 , I think incorrectly, am I right on that?
[22:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 510571 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "-11 & later kernels won't boot with acpi, -10 works, Lucid (affects: 8)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510571
[22:20] <awe_> persia, nope, hadn't seen it.  been heads down on oem work...
[22:21] <persia> awe_: "busy at $work" is always a good excuse :)  Anyway, you might want to subscribe just to know the outcome if it happens/doesn't happen.
[22:21] <awe_> sure, thanks for the heads-up!
[22:22] <plars> persia: fair enough, but I suspect there may be other cases I'm not thinking of at the moment for "fix-available", other than actually having a patch out there that we could harvest and attach
[22:23] <persia> arand: I think the "linux (Ubuntu)" task being set to Invalid is probably correct.  I don't think that the triage was complete though, because there's no virtualbox task to track that work.  It probably needs a virtualbox task, or to be marked duplicate to some existing virtualbox bug.
[22:24] <arand> But the fact is that it broke between kernel versions not virtualbox version.
[22:25] <persia> plars: There's actually lots of cases of that.  However, over the past while Ubuntu Developers have been deplorably bad about actually looking for available fixes for arbitrary bugs, so there's already more stuff that has a proposed potential solution than is getting reviewed.
[22:25] <persia> I don't think we're yet starved enough for already available fixes that using a fix-available marker helps.
[22:25] <persia> Generally, the push has been to encourage those who have the skills to determine that a fix is available to join the ranks of Ubuntu Developers in order to get it reviewed.
[22:26] <nigelbabu> under what package does gnome-display-tools come under?
[22:26] <persia> I'm becoming ever more convinced this is a bad workflow, but I'm not sure that adding more fix-available things helps right now :)
[22:26] <plars> persia: this is more for bug tracking purposes than for locating bugs that have an available fix, however nothing should prevent people from using it to find bugs that have a *known* available fix
[22:27] <persia> plars: Can you give me an example?
[22:27] <plars> persia: for instance, for the release status where often times we have a list of bugs that are "fix-available"
[22:29] <plars> nigelbabu: gnome-control-center has gnome-display-properties
[22:29] <nigelbabu> thanks plars :)
[22:29] <nigelbabu> I've been trying to check 2 to 3 sources now :)
[22:29] <plars> nigelbabu: assuming it's gnome-display-properties that you're looking for
[22:29] <persia> nigelbabu: apt-file may be a useful tool for you.
[22:30] <plars> or dpkg -S
[22:30] <nigelbabu> persia, yes indeed.  I need to learn to use tools that i have instead of looking at sources of guessed packags
[22:30] <persia> plars: So the idea is to be able to generate a report on some set of bugs to indicate "these are untriaged", "these we understand", "these have some proposed fix", "these have been fixed"?
[22:31] <plars> persia: something like that, yes
[22:31] <yofel> nigelbabu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage has good instructions for that
[22:31] <persia> plars: I'd probably use the "patch" tag for that, because it doesn't imply that the available "fix" actually fixes the issue.
[22:32] <bdmurray> plars: the kernel team uses cherry-pick for bugs with a commit id
[22:32] <persia> plars: Just be warned that if you add that to too many bugs with certain subscribers, there may be complaints (but you'd get that for any tag to meet your use case)
[22:32] <bdmurray> I'd rather a tag other than patch was used though as that is supposed to mean a rather specific thing
[22:33] <plars> persia: noted, which is one reason why I'm looking to see if there is already another mechanism of doing this
[22:33] <persia> bdmurray: Well, why not patch, assuming that there is a referenced patch available?
[22:34] <bdmurray> because it isn't attached to the bug?  I guess it would work though
[22:35] <plars> bdmurray: so normally the patch tag would have what specific meaning?
[22:36] <bdmurray> well a patch is attached but that's a separate launchpad search so have the tag mean either a patch is attached or linked to seems fine
[22:36] <persia> I used to also use it in cases where a patch was in text in a comment, before I stopped using it.
[22:41] <plars> bdmurray: ok, so should this be added to w.u.c/Bugs/Tags?
[22:42] <plars> currently only patch-needswork and patch-refused are listed there
[22:42] <bdmurray> plars: yeah, that'd be awesome
[22:43] <plars> bdmurray: ok, thanks!
[22:43]  * persia cheers the restoration of the patch tag, and intends to start using it again, now that it's on the wiki again.
[22:44] <bdmurray> also feel free to subscribe ubuntu-reviwers to bugs with patches
[22:47] <micahg> bdmurray: there's a reviewers team now?
[22:47] <bdmurray> http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=64
[22:48] <bdmurray> :-(
[22:48] <persia> The reviewers team just doesn't get enough press.  It needs more hands.
[22:48] <micahg> bdmurray: sorry, I'm a little behind on blog posts
[22:49] <bdmurray> I was gonna e-mail ubuntu-devel about it too
[22:50] <persia> Please do.
[22:50] <persia> back through Intrepid or so we tended to be good about it, and somewhere around there just stopped grabbing patches and uploading them.
[22:50] <bdmurray> Well, I'd hoped that everybody just read my blog. ;-)
[22:50] <nigelbabu> I did :)
[22:51] <nigelbabu> but didn't you already send out a mail about it?
[22:51] <persia> I mostly read blogs on planet, and I'm sure I miss posts because I don't read it often enough (some days seem to be special blog days)
[22:52] <nigelbabu> persia, add it to thunderbird?
[22:53] <persia> nigelbabu: At one point I was using liferea for a similar purpose, but ended up not reading any blogs at all that way.
[22:53] <nigelbabu> persia, thunderbird checks feeds along with your mail, so you end up reading.  trust me ;)
[22:54] <persia> nigelbabu: You obviously have never sent me mail :)
[22:54] <nigelbabu> persia, dont tell me you get mails for all gnome packages ;)
[22:54]  * persia already doesn't read that in a reliable fashion
[22:54] <persia> No, but I get more than I can read.
[22:54] <nigelbabu> ah, then you're out of luck.  Too much to read
[22:56]  * micahg has a similar problem...90k unread RSS feed entries
[22:57] <persia> At least with planet, I can check it every once in a while and catch up on stuff in a way that doesn't block anything else (what's one more browser pane)
[22:57] <nigelbabu> micahg, "ouch"
[23:00] <bdmurray> jibel: can we write a pattern for bug 519882
[23:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519882 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with CacheExceptionDpkgInterrupted in __init__() (affects: 25) (dups: 23)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519882
[23:01] <jibel> bdmurray, let me see
[23:01] <hggdh> bdmurray: did you get a wiki update to relase to the ML?
[23:05] <bdmurray> hggdh: I've approved a couple
[23:06] <nekohayo> hello folks, I am one of the upstream bug triagers and testers for PiTiVi
[23:06] <hggdh> bdmurray: so it is working! Good
[23:06] <nekohayo> tomorrow I'm at home, so hopefully I should be able to help in the bug day
[23:06]  * micahg is getting duplicates now :)
[23:06]  * hggdh also
[23:07] <bdmurray> nekohayo: that'd be great!
[23:08] <nekohayo> so if you folks need help/info, I'm always sitting in #pitivi (I may take a look at #ubuntu-bugs once in a while tomorrow I guess, but you will need to poke me if you have a question)
[23:17] <jibel> bdmurray, I can do something, but it will be a rather generic pattern.
[23:17] <jibel> bdmurray, There's no specific error reported by u-m and the only source for the pattern is the Traceback.
[23:18] <jibel> bdmurray, anyway I give it a try.
[23:20] <bdmurray> jibel: there is nothing in aptlog?
[23:21] <bdmurray> or maybe add the libudev version in dependencies
[23:25] <nigelbabu> anything more I should be doing for bug 519335
[23:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519335 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "misspelling when hovering the display-icon in the notification area (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519335
[23:25] <bdmurray> micahg: did you read about bughugger?
[23:26] <micahg> bdmurray: I think so
[23:26]  * micahg remembers talking to you about it
[23:26] <bdmurray> I have some pre-ran json searches for you! http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/package/
[23:27] <bdmurray> You could load those in bughugger
[23:27] <micahg> bdmurray: thanks :)
[23:28] <micahg> bdmurray: this is a current list or a query?
[23:28] <micahg> ah, just a list, but I can sort my quickly I suppose
[23:29] <jibel> bdmurray, aptlog is not always attached and doesn't log the failing installation. dependencies is only attached to very few reports.
[23:30] <LimCore> I would really like to see which bugs have most affected people
[23:30] <persia> nigelbabu: Inthe past, for bugs like that, I've sought a native speaker to confirm, made sure the locale affected was documented, and submitted the correction to Rosetta for review.
[23:30] <micahg> LimCore: you can do that in the LP interface
[23:30] <LimCore> but LP can't handles such a (huge) sort with join apparently, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-users_affected_count&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&
[23:30] <LimCore> field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[23:30] <nigelbabu> persia, I confirmed with a locale speaker
[23:30] <LimCore> micahg: no, it times out always on this query
[23:30] <persia> nigelbabu: Didn't see that in a comment :)
[23:31] <persia> nigelbabu: What locale is it?
[23:31] <nigelbabu> persia, de
[23:31] <bdmurray> this won't time out ;-) http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/bugs-with-most-users-affected.html
[23:31] <micahg> LimCore: LP seems to be having issues in general with bugs at the distro level for ubuntu
[23:31] <nigelbabu> persia, oh, I have to ask another locale person to comment?
[23:31] <persia> I doubt that.  Likely de_AU.utf8 or de_DE.utf8 or something.
[23:31] <bdmurray> jibel: dependencies would be attached to any apport bug and that's what patterns are used for right?
[23:32] <LimCore> micahg: simply raising timeouts and query cache perhaps would be enough to help?
[23:32] <LimCore> npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV 	- 1917
[23:32] <LimCore> lolololol
[23:32] <micahg> LimCore: nothing is simple WRT LP infrastructure
[23:32] <persia> nigelbabu: That's one way, sure.  Another would be to install the locales on your machine and see which ones were affected.
[23:32] <LimCore> that is true, flash is the biggest FAIL :)
[23:32] <nigelbabu> persia, oh, well, I'm getting the po file
[23:32]  * LimCore hates flash with passion
[23:33] <micahg> LimCore: that bug is nspluginwrapper and maybe should be closed...it's on my list
[23:33] <LimCore> micahg: you mean its fixed? it crashes all the time for me too
[23:33] <LimCore> on 9.10
[23:33] <persia> nigelbabu: That works too :)
[23:33] <micahg> LimCore: well, not exactly fixed
[23:33] <micahg> but there are 3 of them...
[23:33] <nigelbabu> persia, well, it seems I got the wrong po.  I'm not which package that thing comes into.  I took gnome control center and its not there :(
[23:34]  * LimCore imagines a world with no flash and no silvershit.  Mmmmmm.
[23:34] <micahg> and I don't think it's under active development anymore...
[23:34] <micahg> LimCore: HTML5 :)
[23:34] <persia> nigelbabu: It's in the langpacks, which you seemed to rightly understand by adding the Ubuntu Translations task, rather than an upstream task.
[23:34] <persia> So the po files are overridden by Rosetta.
[23:34] <LimCore> HTML5, bringing lost of anonimization to a computer near you ;)
[23:34] <persia> !ohmy
[23:34] <ubot4> Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.
[23:35] <LimCore> s/silver/grey-colored
[23:35] <persia> heh
[23:35] <LimCore> micahg: but with proper browsers, it will be super cool, in example YT in native ffox :)
[23:36] <micahg> LimCore: if the gstreamer backend is ever implemented...
[23:36] <micahg> LimCore: YT is using h.264
[23:36] <LimCore> esp if they do each tab in separate tab + resource usage limiting + pausing of idle tabs
[23:36] <jibel> bdmurray, no, I checked all duplicates and seen it attached only twice.
[23:36] <LimCore> it would seem, flash can be responsible for like 50% higher computer bills, really
[23:37] <nigelbabu> persia, um, so how do I suggest a correction?
[23:37] <LimCore> flash can suck all the cpu power you have, always
[23:37] <persia> nigelbabu: I haven't used the interface in years, and suspect it has changed.
[23:37] <persia> I'll recommend asking in #ubuntu-translators , but I'll see if I can find a good URL
[23:37] <nigelbabu> persia, is there a channel for translations?
[23:38] <nigelbabu> persia, you seem to be reading my mind :)
[23:38] <LimCore> someone should localize to Klingon, how cool would that be
[23:38]  * persia wants automatic URL redirection in malone for centre/center
[23:38] <bdmurray> jibel: hrmm, that sounds like a problem with apport somehow
[23:39] <bdmurray> okay, I'll just unsubscribe bug control from that bug then
[23:40] <persia> nigelbabu: I've been caught by a silly LP bug, but I think it's somewhere under https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[23:40] <micahg> LimCore: it's being discussed
[23:40] <bdmurray> since it's fixed a pattern might be unnecessary
[23:40] <nigelbabu> persia, thanks :)
[23:40] <LimCore> bdmurray: cool.  Looking at first 4 positions in that list, I see a dupe btw ;) shouldnt that be merged
[23:40] <jibel> bdmurray, I'm testing the pattern against a bunch of reports right now. It should be ready soon.
[23:42] <LimCore> micahg: or at least rename them into separate threads
[23:46] <LimCore> micahg: I could go and mark all of this bugs dupes if someone would want
[23:46] <micahg> LimCore: nah
[23:46] <micahg> anyone notice this Gerry C.?
[23:47] <LimCore> who?
[23:47] <micahg> hggdh: ^^
[23:47] <micahg> bdmurray: at what point do bug comments become a nuisance?
[23:47] <micahg> *modifiers
[23:47] <LimCore> hmm how about.. paying some devels to fix the most common bugs in ubuntu like this listed there
[23:49] <bdmurray> micahg: I'm not quite certain what you mean.
[23:49]  * LimCore watches the crowd go wild.  Noone thinks this idea is awesome?
[23:49] <micahg> bdmurray: people assigning and adding bug tasks that they shouldn't
[23:50] <micahg> LimCore: if you're writing teh checks, sure :)
[23:50] <LimCore> ok
[23:57] <bdmurray> micahg: well, I'd try contacting the user first it might be an honest mistake
[23:58] <bdmurray> micahg: Launchpad is rather confusing ;-)
[23:58] <micahg> bdmurray: I sent a message, but no response yet
[23:58] <micahg> I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this poster
[23:58] <micahg> I've had 3 or 4 incorrect actions taken by the person...I'm wondering if there are a lot more out ther
[23:58] <micahg> I only watch about 10 packages
[23:59] <micahg> actually, probably closer to 20