[05:30] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc's alive!
[05:31] <humphreybc> i am!
[05:31] <humphreybc> sorry had to change internet plans so internet was down for a few days
[05:31] <humphreybc> how's everything going?
[05:31] <godbyk> not too bad.  I've spent most the day playing with my new Nexus One phone.
[05:32] <godbyk> are there any major formatting things that need to be done before the alpha release?
[05:39] <humphreybc> not really, alpha is today isn't it?
[05:39] <humphreybc> technically whatever we have now becomes alpha
[05:39] <humphreybc> i think just clean anything up to "release" standard. but it's only alpha so not a biggie
[05:39] <humphreybc> we'll probably have a meeting this weekend to sort out the learning day and other stuff
[05:39] <humphreybc> oh and our goals for beta
[05:41] <godbyk> humphreybc: What needs to be done to 'release' alpha?
[05:41] <humphreybc> not a lot. tonight i'll just build the latest revision and stick it on our launchpad download thing
[05:41] <humphreybc> that should suffice for a "release"
[05:41] <humphreybc> i'll also email some media and tell them of the release
[05:42] <godbyk> I guess I'd better update the cover page real quick then. :-)
[05:42] <humphreybc> sure
[05:42] <humphreybc> what with?
[05:43] <humphreybc> or are you going to change the version to 0.3 alpha
[05:43] <godbyk> Yeah, there's a slightly modified version with the 0.3 alpha tag on it and the new title.
[05:43] <humphreybc> swell
[05:43] <humphreybc> yeah update that then
[05:44] <humphreybc> what have i missed the past couple of days anyway?
[05:45] <godbyk> Hmm.. not too much activity in the channel, I don't think.  Let me look real quick.
[05:46] <godbyk> Yeah, nothing of note here that I can see.
[05:52] <humphreybc> cool
[05:54] <godbyk> Gah! It'd be nice if inkscape did a better job converting SVGs to PDFs.
[05:54] <godbyk> I may have to use the PNG for now (so it doesn't look so ugly).
[06:02] <godbyk> humphreybc: Okay, It's using the new cover page now.  You might try compiling it real quick to make sure there aren't any problems
[06:02] <humphreybc> sweet
[06:04] <godbyk> I haven't looked at it or anything -- just made sure it compiled. :-)
[06:24] <humphreybc> new title with that font looks terible
[06:36] <godbyk> I haven't looked at it.
[06:36] <godbyk> I don't think that's going to be the final title page anyway.
[06:36] <godbyk> Just another interim (with the right version # and date on it).
[23:01] <humphreybc> okay who's here?
[23:01] <dutchie> o/
[23:01] <humphreybc> lol
[23:02] <dutchie> seamless transition
[23:02] <humphreybc> indeed
[23:02] <humphreybc> hmm
[23:02] <humphreybc> oh well i'll email the list
[23:08] <humphreybc> right well i'm going to get up and shower then grab some food. i'll be back in about an hour and i'll get some stuff done
[23:09] <dutchie> humphreybc: it's still today here...
[23:09] <humphreybc> hmm?
[23:09] <humphreybc> it's midday thursday here :D
[23:09] <dutchie> if you choose a timezone carefully, we can make the release on time
[23:10] <humphreybc> xD
[23:10] <humphreybc> we should totally time the manual release to the same hour as lucid
[23:11] <humphreybc> we'll have to create a website too... something like www.ubuntumanual.org
[23:11] <humphreybc> probably already taken
[23:11] <humphreybc> ah yes it is
[23:11] <humphreybc> http://ubuntumanual.com/
[23:12] <humphreybc> ugh
[23:12] <humphreybc> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. Use the missing command to see how.
[23:12] <humphreybc> Use the merge command to reconcile them.
[23:13] <dutchie> this is why I prefer git :)
[23:13] <humphreybc> how do I remedy it?
[23:13] <dutchie> read the list
[23:13] <humphreybc> oh is that what they are talking about
[23:13] <dutchie> the message marked "PLEASE READ THIS NOTICE" :)
[23:14] <humphreybc> yep
[23:14] <humphreybc> got it
[23:14] <humphreybc> lol
[23:14] <humphreybc> godbyk - thorwil should contact you at some point today or tomorrow with a new title page
[23:14] <humphreybc> replace the current one with his one, then we can let the media go nuts
[23:14] <godbyk> humphreybc: Okay.
[23:15] <humphreybc> oh cool you're actually there
[23:15] <godbyk> I am. :-)
[23:15] <godbyk> Just had to summon me. :)
[23:16] <humphreybc> swell. also, could you fix the URL wrap on the first page of the license? it's bugging me...
[23:16] <humphreybc> :D
[23:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: Anything for you!
[23:17] <humphreybc> haha
[23:17] <humphreybc> i'm talking to jono bacon tomorrow over skype
[23:17] <humphreybc> (ubuntu community manager)
[23:17] <dutchie> I don't think you needed to clarify that
[23:17] <dutchie> everyone knows who jono is \o/
[23:17] <humphreybc> i'm not sure kevin does
[23:18] <dutchie> he even eclipses all the other jonos
[23:18] <humphreybc> do you godbyk?
[23:18] <godbyk> I know who Jono is, yeah.
[23:18] <humphreybc> anyway, what are the main things from the backend that i need to tell him?
[23:19] <humphreybc> what can we output to besides pdf?
[23:20] <humphreybc> are translations automated yet?
[23:20] <dutchie> you can build them independently
[23:21] <humphreybc> and does rosetta get updated automatically when we update the branch?
[23:21] <dutchie> if we update the pot file
[23:21] <dutchie> which I haven't done for a while
[23:21] <humphreybc> hmm okay
[23:21] <humphreybc> so that stuff about the strings getting overwritten, is that our fault or rosetta?
[23:22] <dutchie> probably more ours
[23:22] <dutchie> but mainly because quite a lot has been changing
[23:22] <humphreybc> okay
[23:24] <dutchie> hmm, po4a has decided not to work
[23:24] <godbyk> Right now it's PDF only for output.
[23:24] <godbyk> Translations are semi-automated.  There's still a lot of work to go into them.
[23:24] <godbyk> Especially for non-Latin scripts.
[23:24] <humphreybc> okay cool. what outputs are we aiming to produce by the final?
[23:25] <godbyk> I'd say just PDF for now.
[23:25] <humphreybc> and is it possible to output to docbook or ASCII?
[23:25] <humphreybc> okay cool. roadmap for future outputs - HTML5?
[23:25] <godbyk> There is some TeX -> HTML conversion tools that we can play with, but I think that PDF should be the priority.
[23:25] <humphreybc> yep sweet
[23:26] <humphreybc> jono will want to know how we're going to integrate with other projects that use different tools
[23:26] <godbyk> What kind of integration?  What other projects?
[23:27] <humphreybc> ubuntu learning is the main one, i think they use ascii
[23:27] <humphreybc> and possibly the docs project down the track which use docbook
[23:27] <godbyk> It seems to me that the ubuntu manual project has a fairly simple focus: to produce a great 'getting started' manual that can be printed (or purchased as a printed book).
[23:28] <humphreybc> yep but if we actually do produce something that's really cool, we want to be able to share it with other projects that are interested
[23:28] <humphreybc> because _good_ content is valuable :)
[23:30] <godbyk> I think someone overwrote or reverted some of my recent changes.
[23:30] <dutchie> why do useful things only ever happen late at night for me?
[23:30] <dutchie> :(
[23:31] <humphreybc> godbyk: oh no!
[23:31] <humphreybc> you can revert to previous revisions though
[23:31] <humphreybc> something like bzr revert 205
[23:31] <godbyk> yeah, they weren't big changes.. just the cover page, I think.
[23:31] <humphreybc> where 205 is the revision number, obviously
[23:32] <godbyk> Let me see how far back things went.
[23:36] <godbyk> hmm.. weird.  did I just not push or something?  I don't see it listed in main branch.
[23:36] <godbyk> oh well, let me fix this and push again.
[23:49] <godbyk> humphreybc: Okay, I just pushed the title page update I had previously (not the one I'm waiting for thorwil on) and fixed the URL in the license.
[23:49] <godbyk> humphreybc: If you find any other bugs, feel free to ping me with them.
[23:59] <humphreybc> neat
[23:59] <humphreybc> yep i'm going to comb through the manual today and do a bit of a spit and polish
[23:59] <dutchie> OK, definitely time for bed
[23:59] <dutchie> night all