| Speedy1 | www.search2.net | 08:51 |
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| vish | !ops , pls ban Speedy1 ^ he keeps posting that is several channels | 08:52 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 08:52 |
| vish | !ops | 08:52 |
| ubottu | Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, LjL, ompaulafk, Keybuk, mdz, sabdfl, janimo, ogra, mdke, dholbach, or jono | 08:53 |
| nigel_nb | vish, I told them | 08:53 |
| vish | nigel_nb: neato.. :) | 08:53 |
| persia | Often it's better to ask in #ubuntu-irc than to call ops for something so general (and it's being sorted) | 08:55 |
| persia | Calling ops in a channel is better reserved for flooding or inappropriate behaviour, etc., as it only grabs that specific channel's ops, rather than a wider set. | 08:55 |
| vish | persia: oh , -irc didnt know of that channel thanks.. what is the -ops for? or are both same | 08:56 |
| persia | vish: As I understand it, "ops" to notify the bot is local-channel emergency, #ubuntu-irc is kinda like IRC support for Ubuntu channels, and #ubuntu-ops is a chat channel for some of the more active ops. | 08:57 |
| persia | But not all ops idle on -ops, nor even on -irc. | 08:57 |
| vish | persia: err , yeah , just the -ops channel is a bit intimidating to enter , with their no idling policy :) | 08:58 |
| persia | -irc is better for 90% of cases. The only times I end up in -ops is when I have questions about being an IRC op, rather than questions for IRC ops. | 08:59 |
| * persia is only op in a few channels | 08:59 | |
| * vish learn't of a new -irc channel today \o/ | 09:00 | |
| czajkowski | vish: also #ubuntu-irc-helpers | 09:13 |
| vish | czajkowski: ooh.. thanks. now isnt that one too many channels for irc ops ;) .. | 09:15 |
| czajkowski | vish: I thik the latter is to help and educate. rather handy to be honest | 09:16 |
| vish | k.. | 09:18 |
| persia | This conversation is off topic though, and *lots* of people idle here. -irc is a better place for the discussion. | 09:20 |
| === ogra_ is now known as ogra | ||
| asac | ok mono uploaded | 13:01 |
| asac | oops | 13:01 |
| persia | heh | 13:04 |
| * elky hands asac an asbestos suit. | 13:09 | |
| asac | damage is already done ... i am contaminated | 13:10 |
| === fader|away is now known as fader_ | ||
| zul | morning | 13:57 |
| * stgraber waves | 13:58 | |
| * mathiaz waves | 13:58 | |
| * Daviey joins the mexican wave. | 13:58 | |
| * persia thought it was more of a french wave | 13:59 | |
| nijaba | o/ | 13:59 |
| smoser | morning US/Eastern | 13:59 |
| * stgraber quickly looks at the LXC blueprint. Everything is done !!! | 13:59 | |
| RoAkSoAx | morning all.. long time no see xD | 13:59 |
| * jjohansen waves | 13:59 | |
| stgraber | persia: for the record, I'm not french ;) | 14:00 |
| zul | *cough* US Jr/Eastern as well | 14:00 |
| persia | stgraber: My apologies. | 14:00 |
| ttx | lets get cracking | 14:00 |
| alexm | o/ | 14:00 |
| nijaba | stgraber: swiss, french speaking, right? | 14:00 |
| stgraber | nijaba: yup, living in Canada :) | 14:00 |
| zul | ah another wannabe | 14:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 14:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is ttx. | 14:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:01 |
| ttx | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 14:01 |
| ttx | Agenda ^ | 14:01 |
| ttx | smoser: around ? | 14:02 |
| ivoks | (date on the meeting is wrong) | 14:02 |
| smoser | here | 14:02 |
| ttx | jib is not available so I'll chair this one | 14:02 |
| ttx | kirkland is scribe, though he is not available right now | 14:02 |
| ttx | mathiaz is probably on a plane somewhere | 14:03 |
| * mathiaz waves | 14:03 | |
| ttx | hah | 14:03 |
| ttx | Good, so we have quorum :) | 14:03 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 14:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 14:03 |
| * nijaba hopes mathias does not make the plane wave | 14:03 | |
| ttx | ACTION: ttx to announce papercuts nominations | 14:03 |
| ttx | done | 14:03 |
| ttx | ACTION: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement | 14:03 |
| zul | will do today | 14:04 |
| ttx | ACTION: zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist, outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3 | 14:04 |
| zul | done | 14:04 |
| zul | i think the conensus of the community is to move to 5.3 | 14:04 |
| ttx | zul: is that expected to generate an insane amount of work ? | 14:04 |
| zul | which means I have to start cracking ;) | 14:04 |
| mathiaz | zul: what the list of packages that will be broken by moving to 5.3? | 14:05 |
| zul | ttx: not really, some package s in universe will have to be updated | 14:05 |
| ivoks | + for 5.3 | 14:05 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: none in main, hopefully | 14:05 |
| ttx | zul: ok, break them first | 14:05 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Alpha3 progress review | 14:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha3 progress review | 14:05 |
| zul | drupal is the big one big one but we already have drupal6 | 14:05 |
| === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta | ||
| ttx | So we'll concentrate on prio 1 specs < 70% completion and prio 2 specs < 50% | 14:06 |
| ttx | uec-testing (mathiaz), quick update on status ? | 14:06 |
| kirkland | ttx: i plan on testing today's iso | 14:06 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I think we're in good shape there | 14:06 |
| mathiaz | ttx: most of the remaining items are about doing the tests | 14:07 |
| kirkland | ttx: i'll sync with mathiaz before commencing | 14:07 |
| ttx | kirkland: glad you could make it | 14:07 |
| ttx | kirkland, mathiaz: ack | 14:07 |
| ttx | mysql-5.0 (zul): ETA for mysql-cluster | 14:07 |
| kirkland | ttx: my bip proxy server crashed, OOM errors, kernel panic | 14:07 |
| zul | ttx: upload it today hopeflly | 14:07 |
| ttx | seeds (mathiaz): are we reaching a conclusion on RHCS ? | 14:07 |
| ttx | seeds (zul): did you forward the ctdb issues to Jelmer ? | 14:08 |
| mathiaz | ttx: hmmm | 14:08 |
| zul | ttx: not yet | 14:08 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I had a short talk with ivoks | 14:08 |
| mathiaz | nijaba: what's your position on rhcs in main for lucid? | 14:08 |
| ttx | [ACTION] zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF | 14:08 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF | 14:08 |
| ttx | [ACTION] zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement | 14:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement | 14:09 |
| ttx | (backlog) | 14:09 |
| nijaba | mth | 14:09 |
| nijaba | mathiaz: my position is simple: we should follow ivok's reco | 14:09 |
| RoAkSoAx | and that was the plan, to demote RHCS and include the new cluster stack | 14:10 |
| ttx | nijaba: if ivoks is maintaining it, it makes sense for it to be in universe ? | 14:10 |
| * Daviey wonders if anyone actually uses RHCS anyway | 14:10 | |
| mathiaz | right - that's more the question - main versus universe | 14:11 |
| ttx | Daviey: ivoks does | 14:11 |
| mathiaz | After having talked with Fabio it seems to be a bad idea to keep all of rhcs in main for lucid | 14:11 |
| nijaba | ttx: that's another discussion, but yes, I am afraid it is the only solution for 10.04 | 14:11 |
| ttx | my understanding is that it's difficult to have the new cluster stack in main without keeping most of RHCS i main | 14:11 |
| mathiaz | and the current cluster stack is still a moving part | 14:11 |
| mathiaz | so from an LTS perspective, maintenance for 5 years is also reduced | 14:12 |
| mathiaz | ttx: not really | 14:12 |
| mathiaz | ttx: most of the binary packages can be moved to universe | 14:12 |
| nijaba | we have to be conscious that we are introducing a gap in our feature coverage, but I don't think it really matters | 14:13 |
| ttx | mathiaz: ok | 14:13 |
| ttx | mathiaz: that thread should reach a conclusion soon, then | 14:13 |
| ttx | Maybe a little more discussion can't hurt | 14:13 |
| * mathiaz agrees | 14:13 | |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 14:14 |
| ttx | daily-vcs (zul): quick update on status ? | 14:14 |
| * Daviey would be highly suprised if any enterprise used lucid RHCS in >3 years anyway. So lack of being in main makes little difference. | 14:14 | |
| zul | ttx: been working on the higher priority specs | 14:14 |
| ttx | puppet-etckeeper-integration (mathiaz, soren): any progress to report ? | 14:14 |
| * nijaba agrees with Daviey | 14:14 | |
| zul | ttx: no progress though | 14:14 |
| ttx | Daviey++ | 14:14 |
| * RoAkSoAx agrees with Daviey too | 14:15 | |
| Daviey | Shhh! We've moved on :) | 14:15 |
| mathiaz | ttx: waiting on merging 0.25.4 from debian | 14:15 |
| ttx | puppet-uec-ec2-integration (mathiaz): not started yet, is it in danger ? | 14:15 |
| ttx | soren ^is this under way ? | 14:15 |
| soren | Oh hai! | 14:15 |
| mathiaz | ttx: it's in unstable now | 14:15 |
| ttx | soren: o/ | 14:16 |
| soren | No news, no. | 14:16 |
| mathiaz | ttx: ec2-integration: I'm planning to work on that this week | 14:16 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I don't see it in danger for alpha3 | 14:16 |
| mathiaz | soren: 0.25.4 is in unstable now - it should be merged in lucid | 14:17 |
| ttx | soren: are you still on track to complete the etckeeper integration item ? | 14:17 |
| soren | mathiaz: Cool. I'll do that soon. | 14:17 |
| ttx | ok | 14:17 |
| soren | ttx: I believe so, yes. | 14:17 |
| ttx | Questions on alpha3 progress ? | 14:18 |
| ttx | Other things affecting alpha3 that anyone wants to report ? | 14:18 |
| ttx | Moving on. | 14:18 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] server-lucid-papercuts : Nomination review | 14:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: server-lucid-papercuts : Nomination review | 14:18 |
| ttx | Please see list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs | 14:18 |
| ttx | We'll go through them, quick +1 / +0 / -1 from those that reviewed the list | 14:19 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/24741 | 14:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 24741 in samba "Spurious "account_policy_get failed" messages on install" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:19 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:19 |
| kirkland | ttx: -1 on the password feedback one | 14:20 |
| ttx | just a sec :) | 14:20 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/56679 | 14:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 56679 in netcfg "provide a method to use a specified MAC-address as the installation device" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:20 |
| ttx | debian installer thing... +0 | 14:20 |
| nijaba | ttx: move it to foundations? | 14:20 |
| kirkland | ttx: +0 | 14:21 |
| ttx | well, its already in their realm, and they don't do papercuts :P | 14:21 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/165184 | 14:21 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 165184 in amavisd-new "amavisd-new + spamassassin: cronjob spams root user" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:21 |
| ttx | No clear agreed solution, +0 | 14:21 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/194472 | 14:22 |
| zul | why not redirect it to /dev/null? | 14:22 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 194472 in sudo "Entering password in Terminal gives no visual feedback" [Unknown,Fix released] | 14:22 |
| zul | foundations again | 14:22 |
| ttx | highly contentious, -1 | 14:22 |
| mathiaz | -1 | 14:22 |
| zul | -1 | 14:22 |
| Daviey | that is not a papercut :) | 14:22 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/211915 | 14:22 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 211915 in amavisd-new "Insecure dependency when using sql for Log Reporting" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:22 |
| ttx | doc bug, +0 | 14:22 |
| zul | +0 | 14:22 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/229732 | 14:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 229732 in initramfs-tools "USB Keyboard drivers not loaded in initramfs" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:23 |
| ttx | Not really server, +0 | 14:23 |
| zul | -1 | 14:23 |
| kirkland | ttx: definitely not really server | 14:23 |
| mathiaz | -1 | 14:23 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/263442 | 14:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 263442 in mc "mcedit is not longer the default editor" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:23 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:23 |
| zul | more foundationsy | 14:23 |
| zul | +0 | 14:24 |
| kirkland | ttx: yeah, +1, that could/should be fixed | 14:24 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/289087 | 14:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 289087 in linux "Missing linux-image-debug packages and metapackages since Intrepid" [High,Triaged] | 14:24 |
| zul | -1 | 14:24 |
| mathiaz | -1: kernel | 14:24 |
| ttx | no easy solution : -1 | 14:24 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/392377 | 14:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 392377 in debootstrap "building vm image on text console causes gettys to stop respawning" [Undecided,New] | 14:24 |
| ttx | not sure anything left todo, +0 | 14:25 |
| mathiaz | ttx: where are the critiria for acceptance? | 14:25 |
| ttx | in the spec | 14:25 |
| soren | That should be fixed now. | 14:25 |
| kirkland | -0 | 14:25 |
| ttx | easy solution, server package, < 2h work | 14:25 |
| zul | -1 based on soren's feedback | 14:25 |
| soren | Oh, wait. | 14:25 |
| soren | No, it's not. | 14:25 |
| zul | +1 then ;) | 14:25 |
| soren | It's fixed in debootstrap, not in vm-builder. | 14:25 |
| ttx | soren: exactly | 14:25 |
| soren | ubottu confused me by only mentioning debootstrap :) | 14:25 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 14:25 |
| kirkland | okay, yeah +1 then | 14:25 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/393888 | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 393888 in ruby1.9 "Ruby 1.9.0 curses Alt-key handling broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:26 |
| soren | I'm expecting to fix that this week. | 14:26 |
| ttx | +1, if its really just a missing builddep | 14:26 |
| ttx | -µ1 if it required bump, since papercuts needs to be bugfixes, not something affected by FF | 14:26 |
| kirkland | ttx: yeah, +1 if only builddep | 14:26 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/406466 | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 406466 in linux "2.6.31 - Can't see files in CIFS-mounted directories" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:26 |
| zul | -1 | 14:26 |
| ttx | -1 / kernel issue, not even a bug methink | 14:26 |
| mathiaz | -1 : kernel issue | 14:27 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/428814 | 14:27 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 428814 in amavisd-new "Removal of the package does not remove the cron.daily script" [Low,Triaged] | 14:27 |
| zul | +1 | 14:27 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/458203 | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 458203 in eucalyptus "euca_conf is missing command-line completion" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:27 |
| kirkland | +1 | 14:27 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:27 |
| zul | +0 | 14:27 |
| kirkland | ttx: that's mostly fixed | 14:27 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/460398 | 14:27 |
| kirkland | ttx: in my last merge | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 460398 in vm-builder "/etc/timezone is not set correctly" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:27 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:27 |
| zul | +1 | 14:27 |
| ttx | kirkland: cool :) | 14:27 |
| soren | +1 | 14:27 |
| kirkland | +1 | 14:27 |
| smoser | command line completion is mostly fixed, kirkland ? | 14:27 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/480460 | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 480460 in mcelog "mcelog: warning: record length longer than expected. Consider update." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:27 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:28 |
| zul | +1 | 14:28 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/495505 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 495505 in tomcat6 "server.number reports 6.0.0.0 not 6.0.X.0" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:28 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:28 |
| zul | +0 | 14:28 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/496554 | 14:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 496554 in installation-guide "Obsolete info in "Automatic Installation" section" [Undecided,New] | 14:29 |
| ttx | +1 (?) | 14:29 |
| ttx | taht sounds like a rather outdated doc | 14:29 |
| ttx | if its completely rotten, might make sense to remove it rather than try to fix it | 14:30 |
| mathiaz | +1 | 14:30 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508606 | 14:30 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 508606 in command-not-found "Recommend tracepath for "traceroute" and "tracert"" [Undecided,New] | 14:30 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:30 |
| zul | +1 | 14:30 |
| ttx | A few other ones have been added recently, we'll review them next week | 14:30 |
| shattered | cool, my nominations went through :-) | 14:31 |
| ttx | I'll update the status of the bugs accordingly | 14:31 |
| ttx | shattered: yay ! | 14:31 |
| shattered | not the usb keyboard one, though | 14:31 |
| ttx | I propose that we discuss bugfixing goals next week, when we have a better idea of how many bugs we are looking at | 14:31 |
| ttx | Gives a last chance for people to nominate their stuff :) | 14:32 |
| * nijaba propose not to discard doc bug, and make sure sommer knows about them | 14:32 | |
| ttx | he is assigned to it, iirc | 14:32 |
| ttx | nijaba: agreed | 14:33 |
| shattered | debian install document has the same bug | 14:33 |
| shattered | if you're talking about 496554 | 14:33 |
| ttx | I'll decline the -n, accept the +n, keep the +0 around | 14:33 |
| ttx | moving on... | 14:33 |
| ttx | unless there are any questions? | 14:33 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul) | 14:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul) | 14:34 |
| zul | all prior 1 are done except for openssh its pending a review with cjwatson | 14:34 |
| cjwatson | zul: it is? I don't have mail about it | 14:35 |
| cjwatson | nor do I see a branch on LP | 14:35 |
| zul | cjwatson: hold on lemme pull it up | 14:35 |
| ttx | zul: Did you get any community feedback on the prio2 ones ? | 14:35 |
| zul | ttx: no :( | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | sorry if I missed it on IRC, but IRC is kind of unreliable | 14:36 |
| ttx | Hopefully you'll get some -- after the email you're going to send about it :) | 14:36 |
| zul | cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ubuntu/lucid/openssh/openssh-apport-hook | 14:36 |
| zul | ttx: heh | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | ah, now I see it, I was looking for upstream branches, sorry | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | I wonder why I didn't get a mail | 14:36 |
| zul | cjwatson: no probs | 14:36 |
| cjwatson | anyway, thanks, I'll review that now | 14:37 |
| ttx | As a general reminder, apport hooks are easy, and a great way of contributing your first patches/branches to Ubuntu :) | 14:37 |
| zul | and I dont bite | 14:37 |
| ttx | especailly with a core-dev standing by to sponsor your work :)= | 14:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | i might be able to help if the time allows me to do so :) | 14:37 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) | 14:37 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) | 14:37 |
| ttx | soren: howdy | 14:38 |
| ttx | soren: if nothing else, when is new guy starting ? | 14:39 |
| ttx | looks like we lost soren, we'll skip to... | 14:39 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 14:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 14:39 |
| ttx | jjohansen: howdy ? | 14:39 |
| smoser | new guy starts: 15th (which is a US holiday) so 16th | 14:39 |
| ttx | arh | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | new EC2 kernel is checked in | 14:40 |
| ttx | smoser: thx | 14:40 |
| smoser | and booted in daily build output too! | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | has the latest updates, and updated configs | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | sweet | 14:40 |
| ttx | smoser/jjohansen: so krd is complete now ? | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | yes | 14:40 |
| ttx | \o/ | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | modulo any bugs | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | also Bug #519448 | 14:40 |
| smoser | ttx, definitely complete for ec2. and no ramdisks are published right now for uec. | 14:40 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 519448 in linux "No XEN domU support in 32bit virtual flavour" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519448 | 14:40 |
| ttx | feature-complete, I should say | 14:40 |
| jjohansen | has been fixed for next proposed karmic | 14:41 |
| smoser | so we'll see for uec soon enough. | 14:41 |
| jjohansen | and those changes are being rolled into lucid as well | 14:41 |
| jjohansen | I think that is it | 14:41 |
| ttx | jjohansen: also I blamed kernel for recent lucid random freezes, and it was plymouth fault. | 14:42 |
| smoser | best bet is to always blame the kernel | 14:42 |
| * ttx beats himself with a big stick | 14:42 | |
| jjohansen | heh, well I blamed the kernel too, at first | 14:42 |
| Daviey | plymouth on server shocker. | 14:42 |
| ttx | soren: are you back ? | 14:42 |
| soren | Sorry, yes. | 14:43 |
| ttx | Any other question for John ? | 14:43 |
| soren | I'm on my new laptop, and my IRC-notification thing seems to be malfunctioning. Sorry about that. | 14:43 |
| * soren catches up | 14:43 | |
| ttx | ok, back to the future: | 14:43 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) | 14:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) | 14:43 |
| soren | Ah. | 14:43 |
| soren | Um.. | 14:43 |
| soren | I don't actually know when he'll be starting. I /think/ it's next week. | 14:44 |
| ttx | smoser answered that one | 14:44 |
| ttx | Feb 16th | 14:44 |
| soren | Other than that, I've handed over my automatic ISO testing stuff to the QA team. It'll be running in the DC soon. | 14:44 |
| smoser | i'm 98% certain on that. that is what marjo told me. | 14:44 |
| soren | smoser: That's probably true, then :) | 14:44 |
| soren | he should know :) | 14:44 |
| soren | I think that's all I have. | 14:44 |
| zul | heh he/she is going to be very very busy | 14:44 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) | 14:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) | 14:45 |
| * mathiaz pulls out the lists | 14:45 | |
| mathiaz | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 14:45 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html | 14:45 |
| mathiaz | anything SRU worth ^^? | 14:45 |
| ttx | i think bug 503180 | 14:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests (eucalyptus doesn't work after reboot or services restart issues due to upstart networking behavior)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180 | 14:46 |
| ttx | kirkland: you planned a SRU /if/ the fix inlucid can also be applied to karmic, right ? | 14:46 |
| Daviey | bug 343870 | 14:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 343870 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "php-cli segmentation fault with mysql extension" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343870 | 14:46 |
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| kirkland | ttx: it should be a 2-liner | 14:46 |
| kirkland | ttx: i can prep the upload, and put it in a PPA | 14:46 |
| kirkland | ttx: if i could get some people to test it | 14:47 |
| kirkland | ttx: my rig is all Lucid | 14:47 |
| kirkland | ttx: i won't have much cycles to work on Karmic | 14:47 |
| ttx | Daviey: already nominated/accepted | 14:47 |
| Daviey | oops | 14:47 |
| ttx | kirkland: sounds like a plan. | 14:47 |
| nijaba | kirkland: ping me when you want to test, I have a setup ready for it | 14:47 |
| kirkland | ttx: action me to put an upload in a karmic ppa for testing | 14:47 |
| ttx | kirkland: also TeTeT could help | 14:47 |
| kirkland | ttx: as soon as 1 person verifies the ppa, i'll push to proposed | 14:48 |
| ttx | [ACTION] kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA | 14:48 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA | 14:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests (eucalyptus doesn't work after reboot or services restart issues due to upstart networking behavior)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180 | 14:48 |
| kirkland | ttx: or i can just push to propose, if you recommend | 14:48 |
| zul | i just like to point out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/SRUTracker (its still a work in progress) | 14:48 |
| ttx | we have no idea if the DB deadlock in karmic will be fully fixed by that... so I prefer PPA | 14:49 |
| kirkland | ttx: ack | 14:49 |
| ttx | mathiaz: that's all from me | 14:49 |
| mathiaz | great | 14:49 |
| mathiaz | anything else? | 14:50 |
| ttx | zul: cool | 14:50 |
| mathiaz | there is one bug nominated for jaunty|karmic: bug 364581 | 14:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 364581 in mod-auth-mysql "Crash when logging in" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364581 | 14:50 |
| ttx | +1 | 14:50 |
| ttx | "Low" being slightly underestimated | 14:51 |
| mathiaz | ok - accepting then | 14:51 |
| zul | shouldnt bugs be undecided before triaging them? | 14:51 |
| ttx | zul: no | 14:51 |
| mathiaz | that's all for the SRU review | 14:52 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 14:52 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 14:52 |
| ttx | Note that we no longer do a canonical-server-rteam bug review, as it brought little value to the contents of the meeting | 14:52 |
| Daviey | (\o/) | 14:53 |
| ttx | any blocking bug should be brought up in Open Discussion | 14:53 |
| ttx | (not just canonical's team ones) | 14:53 |
| Daviey | ooo, tftpd.. | 14:53 |
| Daviey | is that being resolved stgraber ? | 14:54 |
| ttx | If we have some free time, lets see new papercuts nominations :) | 14:54 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508382 | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 508382 in bacula "bconsole does not connect to bacula-director" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:54 |
| kirkland | tftpd-hpa in lucid sucks | 14:54 |
| Daviey | kirkland: it's always had some degree of suckness.. but now moreso. | 14:55 |
| stgraber | I'm still not sure about what to do here but I'm very tempted to restore the old behavior | 14:55 |
| kirkland | stgraber: or downgrade? | 14:55 |
| ttx | I'd say +1 on the bconsole bug thing | 14:55 |
| kirkland | stgraber: at the very least, please restore old behavior | 14:56 |
| ttx | though LDFLAGS=" " is almost certainly not the right way to fix it | 14:56 |
| stgraber | ideally I'd just revert to what we had in Karmic but it's not exactly easy to do if we want to be able to sync with Debian in the future | 14:56 |
| stgraber | (as in, reverting to the old version completely) | 14:56 |
| Daviey | stgraber: it wouldn't be a huge delta for us to carry, would it? | 14:57 |
| Daviey | to diverge and carry. | 14:57 |
| stgraber | so easiest is probably to tweak it so it works as before (inetd + /var/lib/tftpboot + no debconf) | 14:57 |
| ttx | stgraber: I'd revert to old behavior... and try to convince the debian maintainer of the value of the old system | 14:57 |
| stgraber | Daviey: I don't think so no | 14:57 |
| ttx | be it only for upgrade scenarios | 14:57 |
| ttx | I suppose debian server users also upgrade | 14:57 |
| ttx | stgraber: reverting to old version won't help in the long run | 14:58 |
| kirkland | ttx: let's solve this in #ubuntu-server | 14:58 |
| ttx | sure | 14:58 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time | 14:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time | 14:59 |
| ttx | That will be again same place same time, for at least one more week | 14:59 |
| kirkland | ttx: one hour later, please | 14:59 |
| ttx | kirkland: it's not in my power to change that | 14:59 |
| kirkland | ttx: should we just drop that last TOPIC item, then? | 14:59 |
| * Daviey checks the TOPIC | 14:59 | |
| kirkland | ttx: we always ask, and I always say "one hour later please" :-) | 15:00 |
| ttx | kirkland: but... if you convince jos /and/ send an email after having convinced him, I'm ok with one hour later | 15:00 |
| kirkland | ttx: okay | 15:00 |
| Daviey | any meeting date and time you chose, providing it is Wednesday at 2:00PM UTC -- Hnery Ford. | 15:00 |
| * mathiaz pushes for a different day | 15:00 | |
| ttx | mathiaz: that's an even more ambitious move ! | 15:00 |
| jiboumans | kirkland: probably in may, fyi | 15:00 |
| * jiboumans back to meeting & | 15:00 | |
| ttx | even more not in my little sphere of power | 15:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:01. | 15:01 |
| soren | Wow, you have a sphere of power? That sounds COOL! | 15:01 |
| ttx | soren: I used to have a sphere of influence, but it dodn't work that well | 15:01 |
| soren | What's the exchange rate from Spheres of Influence to Spheres of Power these days? | 15:02 |
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| ttx | soren: it's not so good. But back when I traded mine, it was good. I got a small Sphere of Power for my medium-sized speher of Influence | 15:04 |
| kirkland | ttx: soren: and how does a Sphere of Power relate to a Ring of Power? | 15:05 |
| kirkland | maybe that was what that giant marble was that Sauraman had... | 15:05 |
| ttx | A Ring of Power is mostly about your friends network. A Sphere of Power is centered around yourself. | 15:06 |
| soren | kirkland: I'm not sure. I don't even know how it compares to my Spear of DOOM! | 15:06 |
| persia | soren: How does that differ from the well advertised long pointy stick? | 15:06 |
| ttx | Spear of Doom ? like... being an admin of ubuntu-core-dev ? | 15:06 |
| fader_ | I haven't even managed to get a Web of Trust... I'm so far behind. :( | 15:07 |
| ttx | Sphere of Power only allows you to schedule UDS sessions, so it kinda sucks | 15:07 |
| soren | persia: Well, it's a spear, isn't it? So it's pointy by definition. The tip might break of the pointy stick, and then it'd just be a stick. | 15:07 |
| * ttx remembers the time of web rings | 15:08 | |
| persia | Ah, so the spear of DOOM! is cladded. That makes sense. | 15:10 |
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| cjwatson | hi folks | 16:00 |
| ev | hi | 16:00 |
| barry | howdy | 16:00 |
| mvo | hello | 16:01 |
| lool | Heya | 16:01 |
| __keybuk | Hai | 16:01 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| cjwatson | tremolux,james_w: ping | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | is doko on leave? | 16:02 |
| tremolux | hey! hi everyone | 16:02 |
| james_w | hi | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | ok, let's get started | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | #startmeeting | 16:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is cjwatson. | 16:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0210#Agenda | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0210#Agenda | 16:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0210#Agenda | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | silly parser, I swear it sometimes works | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Lightning Round | 16:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Lightning Round | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | order: slangasek,__keybuk,mvo,lool,james_w,tremolux,ev,barry,cjwatson | 16:06 |
| slangasek | fighting with plymouth, everyone can reproduce the bugs except me | 16:06 |
| slangasek | help wanted... :) | 16:06 |
| __keybuk | I have nothing to paste - first day back today | 16:06 |
| slangasek | (EOF) | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | __keybuk: *nod* | 16:07 |
| mvo | software-center missing feature, ratings&review, | 16:08 |
| mvo | upgrade tester (added stepmaker profiels for gui upgrade, that is pure love) | 16:08 |
| mvo | tie up loose ends from the sprint | 16:08 |
| mvo | fighting jetlag | 16:08 |
| mvo | (EOF) | 16:08 |
| lool | Lots of work on linux/versatile; worked on a bunch of ARM/qemu issues as well; some minor work on pycentral/pysupport tools. | 16:08 |
| lool | (done) | 16:08 |
| james_w | working on the bzr importer and putting features in to bzr-builddeb before next week. Not blocked on anything. | 16:09 |
| james_w | FIN | 16:09 |
| tremolux | I've been working on presentation of individual software | 16:09 |
| tremolux | sources in Software Center. Some finish work still to do there. | 16:09 |
| tremolux | Next up is back/forward navigation in the top level "Get Software" section. | 16:09 |
| tremolux | Hopefully other work items as time allows before feature freeze. | 16:09 |
| tremolux | P.S. Sprint was lots of fun, thanks everybody! | 16:09 |
| tremolux | (done) | 16:09 |
| ev | trying to untangle a debconf bug in casper, looking into a kde oem-config bug, looking into a bug in ubiquity/console-setup whereby its not selecting the right keyboard map, and polishing up and testing my ubiquity conversion to plugins branch in preparation for merging. | 16:09 |
| ev | EOF | 16:09 |
| barry | Sprinting. Computer Janitor refactoring; dbus service and cli completed. Will be working on updating the gtk ui next. Research on Launchpad Answers application for use by ratings-and-reviews. Submitted preliminary branch for review. That was approved so will land that today. Began work on next Launchpad branch in support of ratings-and-reviews in Software Center. Will have pre-imp discussion with Curtis on that today and should have | 16:09 |
| barry | branch ready for review by EOW. Updated PEP 3147 for supporting multiple installed Python versions. Pycon 2010 prep. EOT. | 16:09 |
| barry | 16:09 | |
| barry | 16:09 | |
| cjwatson | done: finished grub device-id work, at last; network initramfs issues for iscsi-root; other bits and pieces | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | blocked: live CD greeter from DX for foundations-lucid-gfxboot-update, but I talked with bratsche at the sprint so this is at least moving | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | todo: big dpkg merge once bzr-builddeb can handle .tar.bz2; debconf-dbus, still under discussion on packagekit list | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | EOF | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | there was one here, which was actually for the sprint agenda but I don't think that happened | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | mvo to add bug 506709 to sprint agenda | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 506709 in unattended-upgrades "Should inform user if running during shutdown/reboot process" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506709 | 16:10 |
| cjwatson | do you want to track that some other way? | 16:10 |
| mvo | cjwatson: I did not manage to discuss it o nthe sprint | 16:11 |
| mvo | I will just talk to people OOB (slangasek or keybuk) | 16:11 |
| mvo | its milestoned, so it should not get lost | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | right | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions | 16:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Outstanding feature freeze exceptions | 16:11 |
| cjwatson | we're a little early for this! but perhaps it is a good time to ask if anyone expects to be requesting anything along those lines | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | eight days to FF | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | I am expecting to probably need to defer the ubiquity lvm/raid work, unfortunately | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | as well as btrfs, which isn't a huge surprise | 16:13 |
| ev | I'll in all likelihood be deferring the jockey integration in ubiquity | 16:14 |
| mvo | its not clear if archive based indexes will make it, we may have to do a workaround | 16:14 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: did you get a chance to talk with bratsche about the gfxboot stuff at the sprint and get that unblocked? | 16:14 |
| barry | cjwatson: heads up that the pitti burndown url is not responding | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: I talked with him, and he said it was a couple of hours of work; I nagged again today and he said "today" | 16:15 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:15 |
| james_w | there's a bunch of bzr features we could make use of that won't happen in the next week, but I'm not sure they'll be for lucid anyway | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | barry: which one? http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-foundations-lucid-alpha-3.html WFM | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | mvo: which archive-based indexes? | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | barry: (note that it's moved a couple of times) | 16:16 |
| barry | cjwatson: ah, this wiki page is out of date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid | 16:16 |
| * barry fixes... | 16:16 | |
| cjwatson | aha, yes please | 16:16 |
| mvo | cjwatson: the idea to get rid of the app-install-data package and build that on package build time | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | ah. consequence of deferring that is that we get to keep doing SRUs for things? | 16:17 |
| mvo | the consequenz is that external repos (like PPAs) do not benefit from the icons | 16:18 |
| mvo | unless we add hacks to the package file | 16:18 |
| mvo | maemo for example encodes the icon in the packages file | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | ah, the format isn't sufficiently nailed down yet that we can implement the client in advance of the server, then? | 16:19 |
| mvo | the other ugliness is that we have to maintian the app-install-data package wich is a bit of a pain, but for the main archive its fine | 16:19 |
| mvo | well, that is a possiblity | 16:19 |
| mvo | its just risky | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | icon in packages file> likely to bloat rather a lot, at least for the main archive :( | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | yeah | 16:19 |
| mvo | for the main archive ap-install-data is good enough for now | 16:19 |
| mvo | its really for 3rd party and PPA | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | ok, well let me know if I can do anything to push the server side along | 16:19 |
| mvo | and it would be nice to have a solution for this, going with a client-only implementation may well be the way forward | 16:20 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs | 16:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Milestoned bugs | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21445 | 16:21 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21445 | 16:21 |
| mvo | I got a bunch there | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | yeah, there's one casper bug which I think is related to plymouth, and the rest of the foundations ones seem to be in package management | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | I might hoover up a thumb2 bug or two if I can | 16:23 |
| persia | We've having a hacking session on that in about 22 hours in #ubuntu-arm | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | mvo: any particular ones you'd like to pass on? | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | or are you ok? | 16:25 |
| mvo | bug #506709 is one that i need help from someone with plymouth experience | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 506709 in unattended-upgrades "Should inform user if running during shutdown/reboot process" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506709 | 16:26 |
| mvo | for the software-center ones I will talk to tremolux if he can take some :) | 16:27 |
| tremolux | will do my best :) | 16:27 |
| mvo | then it should be ok | 16:27 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:27 |
| barry | tremolux, mvo perhaps we can discuss ratings and reviews after this meeting? | 16:28 |
| tremolux | barry: fine for me | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | I'm going to skip targeted bugs for this week, and do a pass over them to see what needs to be milestoned | 16:28 |
| barry | (and s/c in general, if help is needed) | 16:28 |
| mvo | barry: yes | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | though don't let me stop you doing the same | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | sponsorship queue: weekly nag/guilt-trip :) | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] Good news | 16:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Good news | 16:29 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: I feel no guilt ;) | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: such a rebel | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | ... gosh, you're all depressives this week | 16:30 |
| Keybuk | it's hard to feel good when two weeks ago it was the middle of summer, and I was wearing shorts and t-shirt | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | good news: MY OWN BED | 16:31 |
| mvo | stepmaker is good news | 16:31 |
| Keybuk | and now it's frakkin' snowing | 16:31 |
| mvo | gui upgrade testing automatic, unattended | 16:31 |
| barry | cjwatson: how about: 2nd huge snowstorm in less than a week? blizzard conditions right outside my window | 16:31 |
| slangasek | good news: it's above freezing here (barely) | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | mvo: runnable in the datacentre now too, maybe? :) | 16:31 |
| lool | linux/versatile boots and is useful again! (not uploaded yet) | 16:31 |
| mvo | cjwatson: almost! | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:32 |
| lool | I wonder whether some people here would have time for MIRs? | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | was missing all but about three or four activity reports last I checked, gentle reminder | 16:32 |
| mvo | for last week? | 16:32 |
| mvo | my is "at the sprint" | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | oh, a few people had a bit of detail on what they did there. :) | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | "what I did on my holidays" | 16:33 |
| mvo | wehhh, ok. I will try to gather it, but without my gtimelog logs I'm usually lost :) | 16:33 |
| barry | mvo: me too! :) | 16:33 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: didn't really keep track of what I did there | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | I had to go back and remind myself | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | well, we'll do what we can | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | lool: you asking existing ubuntu-mir folks, or for new volunteers? | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | we had a few new folks a few months ago, IIRC ... | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | is the volume rising rapidly? | 16:35 |
| lool | cjwatson: Both | 16:35 |
| lool | it's a been a couple of weeks that MIRs have backlogged | 16:36 |
| lool | and FF is usually a busy time for MIRs | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | the general sense I got at the sprint was that there was very little spare time available on this team, but perhaps those who have already volunteered for it can spend a bit of time on it this week? | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | seems like that's everything for this meeting, so thanks all | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:39. | 16:39 |
| lool | Thanks | 16:39 |
| ev | thanks | 16:39 |
| slangasek | thanks | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | I'll do the release meeting this week | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | who wants to chair next week? | 16:39 |
| Keybuk | I can chair | 16:39 |
| Keybuk | it feels like it might be my turn again | 16:40 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | ok :) | 16:40 |
| james_w | thanks | 16:43 |
| * ara waves | 16:59 | |
| pedro_ | hello folks | 16:59 |
| * fader_ waves. | 17:00 | |
| fader_ | marjo is out today and asked me to chair | 17:00 |
| fader_ | So, let's see if this works | 17:00 |
| fader_ | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is fader_. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| fader_ | w00t | 17:00 |
| fader_ | Agenda: | 17:00 |
| fader_ | * SRU testing -- sbeattie | 17:00 |
| fader_ | * Bugday highlights -- pedro | 17:00 |
| fader_ | Short agenda today | 17:01 |
| fader_ | sbeattie: How's SRU testing look? | 17:01 |
| karlheg | [LURK] | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | SRU Activity report for the past two weeks (since 2010-01-27): | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | * karmic: 9 new packages in -proposed (cups, devicekit-power, foomatic-filters, gnome-games, gnome-power-manager, gscan2pdf, linux, metacity, psyco), and 6 packages pushed to -updates (devicekit-power, gnome-power-manager, gtk+2.0, kopete-facebook, ubuntuone-client, ubuntuone-storage-protocol) | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | * jaunty: 2 new package in -proposed (psyco, squirrelmail) | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | * intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (squirrelmail) | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | * hardy: no new packages in -proposed and 7 packages pushed to -updates (base-files, debian-installer, ganeti, klibc, language-packs, moodle, sun-java5) | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | * dapper: no SRU activity | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | Thanks to Miklos Juhasz, Moneta Funzionata, Novecento, glass.dimly, Colin Whittaker, Christian Loos, Joshua Hoover, erlguta, Tonnerre, papukaija, Roman Yepishev, Szebenyi Bálint, Stew Ellis, Ian Hutchinson, Tybion, and Paul Elliott. | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | ... for testing out packages in -proposed. | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | Also, thanks to everyone who helped test SRUs and isos for the 8.04.4 release. | 17:02 |
| sbeattie | That's all I've got for this week. | 17:03 |
| fader_ | Any word on how 8.04.4 went? I didn't hear any major disaster stories so I assume everything went well :) | 17:03 |
| sbeattie | AFAIK it went well, there was a couple of minor issues that crept in that I've forgotten the details of. | 17:03 |
| fader_ | Cool... I always assume no news is good news. | 17:04 |
| fader_ | Any questions/comments/concerns from anyone about SRU testing? | 17:04 |
| sbeattie | davmor2 might remember if he were here. | 17:04 |
| fader_ | Heh, he's too important to hang out with us today apparently :) | 17:05 |
| fader_ | [TOPIC] Bugday highlights | 17:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bugday highlights | 17:06 |
| fader_ | pedro_: ^^ | 17:06 |
| pedro_ | well there's no highlights from past bug day since we didn't have one | 17:06 |
| pedro_ | but... tomorrow we're having a great bug day based on pitivi | 17:06 |
| pedro_ | yes, the video and audio editor | 17:06 |
| pedro_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100211 | 17:07 |
| fader_ | Neat... seems like a good one as it's going to be in lucid by default | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | the plan is to help the desktop team to clean up the product and to provide more reports to the upstream developers in order to have a better package for lucid | 17:07 |
| pedro_ | so if you have some spare minutes, please consider on join us that day ;-) | 17:08 |
| pedro_ | also special thanks to Fagan for helping out with the organization | 17:08 |
| fader_ | Thanks pedro_. Any questions for pedro_? | 17:09 |
| pedro_ | seems he's not around either, probably he's hanging around with davmor2 :-P | 17:09 |
| fader_ | Hehe | 17:09 |
| fader_ | [TOPIC] Any other business? | 17:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business? | 17:10 |
| ara | yes, I had one topic in the wiki | 17:10 |
| ara | one small one :) | 17:10 |
| fader_ | ara: You snuck it in after I checked this morning :) | 17:11 |
| ara | yes, late one :D | 17:11 |
| fader_ | [TOPIC] nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing | 17:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing | 17:11 |
| fader_ | ara: please go ahead! :) | 17:11 |
| ara | I just wanted to remind people that we are testing ATI & nVIDIA proprietary drivers on a weekly basis | 17:11 |
| ara | if you have one of these graphics cards and want to participate, you can read the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram | 17:11 |
| ara | we are starting next week! | 17:12 |
| fader_ | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram | 17:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram | 17:12 |
| * fader_ is all signed up and ready to test. | 17:12 | |
| fader_ | Thank you ara | 17:13 |
| ara | OK, and that's all from me | 17:13 |
| fader_ | Anything else? | 17:13 |
| fader_ | Going once... | 17:13 |
| fader_ | Going twice... | 17:14 |
| fader_ | Okay, looks like that's it. | 17:14 |
| fader_ | Thanks everyone! | 17:14 |
| fader_ | #endmeeting | 17:14 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:14. | 17:14 |
| pedro_ | thanks | 17:15 |
| YokoZar | QA meeting 40 minutes ago? | 17:39 |
| YokoZar | (no logs on wiki) | 17:39 |
| persia | YokoZar: It started and finished (took about 15 minutes) | 17:41 |
| persia | irclogs.ubuntu.com ought have it in about 20 minutes if the wiki isn't updated. | 17:42 |
| YokoZar | Guess I didn't miss anything interesting while I was trying to connect with bad proxy settings | 17:42 |
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| highvoltage | *** Edubuntu meeting about to commense | 19:00 |
| persia | Quick, you only have a few seconds less to start it ... | 19:01 |
| persia | Aw, too late. | 19:01 |
| * stgraber waves | 19:01 | |
| alkisg | Hi all | 19:01 |
| * mgariepy waves | 19:01 | |
| mgariepy | hi | 19:01 |
| highvoltage | hi everyone! | 19:01 |
| highvoltage | I just deleted some of the old agenda items but we'll probably do a bit more: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda | 19:02 |
| highvoltage | Lucid Release Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 19:02 |
| stgraber | FF is next thursday | 19:02 |
| Lns | hi | 19:03 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: we should probably add LTSP live ? | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | daily builds are working again (thanks to stgraber who fixed *several* broken langauge packs in ubuntu) | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: *nod* | 19:03 |
| stgraber | well, actually they are broken again ;) | 19:03 |
| stgraber | due to some KDE issues | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | ohno :( | 19:04 |
| highvoltage | daily builds are available from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/ if anyone is interested | 19:04 |
| stgraber | I'm hoping that they'll get auto-resolved tonight or I'll have to nag some KDE people ;) | 19:04 |
| stgraber | good thing Tonio_ works for Revolution Linux too and is some 2m away from me :) | 19:04 |
| highvoltage | I installed yesterdays daily build today, it's down to 1.5GB. We have some new packages that we're installing from universe | 19:04 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: heh! nice to have some kde people we can nag on board :) | 19:05 |
| highvoltage | on the Lucid netbook item, | 19:06 |
| sbalneav | Present | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | I'll install it today (as in after the meeting) and check that it installs and works properly | 19:06 |
| highvoltage | howdy sbalneav | 19:06 |
| stgraber | great | 19:07 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: just wondering, testing the new image, did you see anything in the boot menu that shouldn't be there ? (boot menu == gfxboot) | 19:07 |
| highvoltage | mgariepy: edubuntu menu editor is about to go into main right? | 19:08 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I specifically checked it, it's perfect | 19:08 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I also checked whether the F4 Install LTSP option is still there, and it isn't | 19:08 |
| stgraber | great | 19:09 |
| mgariepy | highvoltage, edubuntu-menueditor will stay in universe. | 19:09 |
| mgariepy | and will be included on the dvd. | 19:10 |
| sbalneav | Super! | 19:10 |
| stgraber | Edubuntu can depend directly on universe packages now and support timeframe is the same in main and universe for it | 19:10 |
| highvoltage | mgariepy: great! | 19:10 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ah I thought I saw you dent about a MIR about it before, I was probably mistaken | 19:10 |
| highvoltage | alpha 3 is scheduled for February 25 | 19:11 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: would you be up for hosting another bug day on february 23? | 19:11 |
| sbalneav | Yessir | 19:12 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: I'll book the both of us in Zimbra too | 19:12 |
| highvoltage | great! It's actually just around the corner so we should probably start to announce | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | I will gladly spend a day smacking bugs. | 19:12 |
| highvoltage | thanks stgraber :) | 19:12 |
| sbalneav | Want me to post to -devel & -discuss? | 19:12 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: yes it will be appreciated | 19:13 |
| sbalneav | K, last time we sort of focused on LTSP bugs. I haven't tested for about a week, but as of last week, LTSP seemed to be a-ok-#1 | 19:14 |
| sbalneav | Should we focus on APP bugs this time? | 19:14 |
| highvoltage | I think so | 19:14 |
| highvoltage | also new things like live ltsp | 19:14 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: your feeling on the state of LTSP? | 19:14 |
| highvoltage | (which isn't implemented yet but soon will be) | 19:14 |
| highvoltage | I think it's important to look at some of the new apps we install by default now | 19:15 |
| stgraber | I hope to have 5.2 released early next week and uploaded to Ubuntu | 19:15 |
| stgraber | we currently have a 15s boot time | 19:15 |
| stgraber | including 2s of DHCP and 1s due to bootchart | 19:15 |
| stgraber | so a CPU usage of 12s which is really good ;) | 19:15 |
| stgraber | we also started using fat client at Revolution Linux for testing | 19:16 |
| stgraber | and mgariepy seems to survive using it so it should be quite good | 19:16 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: did you give one to BSA to try? he was quite eager :) | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | 5.2 will have the nbd proxy in it, right? | 19:16 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: yep | 19:16 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: we just need to do a quick test with VBox to see exactly what's going on | 19:17 |
| stgraber | my tests showed that we can kill all nbd-server processes every second and still boot and use a thin client just fine | 19:17 |
| mgariepy | fat client work quite fine on a atom 270 with 2G of ram, it's quite impressive i think. beside the login time though ;) | 19:17 |
| alkisg | stgraber, a friend of mine also had this problem on a live pc - so that vbox testing would be nice... | 19:17 |
| stgraber | with the network speed going from 100Mb/s when nbd-server is up all the time to 20Mb/s when it's killed every second :) | 19:17 |
| highvoltage | I'm busy setting up ltsp in vbox on the latest build | 19:17 |
| alkisg | Yeah the login time for fat clients takes too long... is that an sshfs problem? | 19:18 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: make sure to use my PPA, I know current Lucid is a bit broken | 19:18 |
| highvoltage | I kind of lack focus today but sometimes it's good to jump around a bit... after the meeting I'll spend some dedicated energy and test it | 19:18 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ok, will do | 19:18 |
| mgariepy | alkisg, haven't took time to take a look yet. | 19:18 |
| stgraber | alkisg: not sure, the tests we made show that it's not really downloading much at session open but we'll need more profiling to know exactly what's happening there | 19:18 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: cool | 19:19 |
| highvoltage | I'm just trying to think of any Edubuntu Council issues we may have to discuss. We haven't had en EC meeting in quite a time | 19:20 |
| highvoltage | but we haven't really had a need for one yet | 19:20 |
| stgraber | I'd propose making mgariepy a member ;) | 19:20 |
| highvoltage | afaict there hasn't been any member applications | 19:20 |
| highvoltage | yes he should apply :) | 19:21 |
| highvoltage | I've updated our team reports to include the reports for December and January: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/TeamReports | 19:21 |
| highvoltage | perhraps we should take turns to do it, every month someone else :) | 19:22 |
| highvoltage | on second thought making a turn system sounds like too much work ;) | 19:22 |
| stgraber | ;) | 19:22 |
| sbalneav | I'd second mgariepy being an edubuntu-member | 19:23 |
| stgraber | I just pasted him the link to an example wiki page, so he can prepare one for next meeting | 19:24 |
| highvoltage | sounds good. | 19:24 |
| stgraber | IIRC we need to follow the same standards as regular Ubuntu membership including the wiki page | 19:24 |
| highvoltage | so we'll make the next meeting an EC meeting as well? | 19:24 |
| stgraber | yep | 19:24 |
| highvoltage | yes I would insist on that | 19:24 |
| stgraber | anyway, it's pretty much only EC members here :) | 19:24 |
| Lns | at least we have a dedicated council! =) | 19:25 |
| alkisg | :) | 19:25 |
| * highvoltage pokes nixternal with a sharp stick | 19:25 | |
| highvoltage | I'd like a website update from Hedgemadge and dhillion-v10 as well, they don't seem to have been online much the last week | 19:26 |
| highvoltage | I think dhillion-v10 mentioned that he'll be away for a few days due to exams | 19:26 |
| highvoltage | we'll probably have a decent website update next week, I'll ask them to send it to the edubuntu-devel list | 19:27 |
| stgraber | sounds good | 19:27 |
| stgraber | do we have any update on artwork ? | 19:28 |
| highvoltage | it would be nice to have the website up and running by the end of the month. I don't think there are any blockers at this stage | 19:28 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: +1 | 19:28 |
| sbalneav | I approached Digital Blasphemy. After receiving an initial email, I haven't heard anything since. | 19:28 |
| highvoltage | I'm going to update the artwork packages to include Mads's wallpaper. he sent me a Gimp source file that can be used to generate other artwork we might need | 19:28 |
| Lns | generating artwork? | 19:29 |
| highvoltage | It's very usable, although if we get anything better we can use it | 19:29 |
| stgraber | ok, sounds good. Poke me when you have something I can upload. | 19:29 |
| sbalneav | Did anyone look at my update to gartoon? Gartoon-redux? | 19:29 |
| highvoltage | Lns: well, as in, we can remove elements that we don't need | 19:29 |
| sbalneav | it's in my ppa | 19:29 |
| Lns | highvoltage: ah | 19:29 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: I've put that on highvoltage's todo list ;) | 19:29 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: it's on my todo list to... yes what stgraber said | 19:29 |
| sbalneav | hahaha | 19:29 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: can you send me the links to it? My job is to take screenshots to send to the list | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | It does seem to fix a couple of the gartoon bugs we had. | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | Do you want a screenshot of my box? | 19:30 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: that would be nice | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | or the gartoon-redux site? | 19:30 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: that would be ideal | 19:31 |
| highvoltage | the folder icon in gartoon has been the #1 complaint about it | 19:31 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: ok, I'll make one tonight. I'll make sure to take the current goat-porn background I've got off :) | 19:31 |
| highvoltage | perhaps it's something we could fix as well at some point. at least that's something doable beyond FF | 19:31 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: thanks! | 19:32 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: ideally, I'd have one screenshot of each icon theme showing a nautilus window + the gnome menu. | 19:32 |
| sbalneav | Got a link to one of Mad's new backgrounds? That way I could show off "the complete package" | 19:32 |
| stgraber | so we can easily compare | 19:32 |
| highvoltage | (re the goat pr0n) | 19:32 |
| joerg | hi | 19:32 |
| highvoltage | hi joerg | 19:32 |
| sbalneav | hello joerg | 19:32 |
| joerg | hello edubuntu people :) | 19:32 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: I haven't uploaded it yet, only sent to the list. I'll upload it to the wiki and send you a link | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | We prefer the term "Edubuntuoids" :) | 19:33 |
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| highvoltage | oh we're recognised! | 19:33 |
| highvoltage | oh right artwork | 19:34 |
| sbalneav | As in: "How many edubuntuoids does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Just one, but you have to keep checking the lightbulb's PPA for updates" | 19:34 |
| highvoltage | (my little brain is fried) | 19:34 |
| sbalneav | badum-bum. | 19:34 |
| sbalneav | <high hat> | 19:34 |
| highvoltage | I also want to give a bash at modifying a nice gtk/metacity theme from an existing nice one for edubuntu | 19:35 |
| highvoltage | it's nice to have some diffirentiation from a standard ubuntu install | 19:35 |
| Lns | As long as we're on artwork, I'd like to propose possibly creating gtk+/gnome themes based on grade level | 19:35 |
| sbalneav | Nobody? Not even a chuckle? Geez, I'm slipping | 19:36 |
| Lns | with iconsets, etc. that reflect the age group | 19:36 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: heh :) | 19:36 |
| Lns | I've never "done" themes before but i could look into it | 19:36 |
| highvoltage | Lns: we could do it by the tasks there are currently. I think there are 3 differentl levels atm | 19:36 |
| highvoltage | Lns: realistically finding more than 3 icons sets would also be pretty much impossible :) | 19:37 |
| Lns | well we could also have a standard ubuntu iconset so if people don't want a mocked-up educational look/feel, and stick with ubuntu's look, they can | 19:37 |
| highvoltage | Lns: perhaps we can put some more effort into that for lucid+1. for now gartoon, human and breathe should provide a reasonable selection | 19:37 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: yep, but I'm not sure you want gartoon for tertiary for example | 19:37 |
| highvoltage | Lns: indeed | 19:38 |
| Lns | stgraber: yeah | 19:38 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: so primary could have gartoon and secondary and tertiary could have breather | 19:38 |
| highvoltage | *breathe | 19:38 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: yep | 19:38 |
| stgraber | and they would still be able to switch if they want one or the other anyway | 19:38 |
| stgraber | that's just suggested default | 19:38 |
| Lns | that would be the coolness | 19:39 |
| highvoltage | yep. I don't think I have anything else | 19:39 |
| sbalneav | My desk is clear | 19:40 |
| highvoltage | any other business? | 19:40 |
| sbalneav | When the heck do I get a free Porche? I was promised one for joining this outfit? | 19:41 |
| * highvoltage tasks sbalneav to come up with something amusing to say at the end of every meeting from now on | 19:41 | |
| sbalneav | Beatcha | 19:41 |
| highvoltage | (obviously- not that I needed to) | 19:41 |
| stgraber | also on highvoltage's todo (though we can probably give that to someone else if someone wants to) is having edubuntu-dev approved for uploads | 19:41 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: Was that ogra who promised you that ? ;) | 19:42 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ah I should've added that to the agenda, I have some questions about that but I'll ask after I get to the other stuff | 19:42 |
| Lns | lol | 19:42 |
| highvoltage | put if someone else beats me that would be awesomeness | 19:42 |
| sbalneav | stgraber: thought it was you :) | 19:42 |
| sbalneav | ogra would have promised me his motorbike ;) | 19:42 |
| highvoltage | porches come to those who wait | 19:43 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: btw, still planning an Edubuntu hackfest ? | 19:43 |
| sbalneav | Yeah! Need to get my *ss in gear on that. | 19:43 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: just wait until the ice starts to melt please :) | 19:43 |
| sbalneav | I'm taking spring break week off to finish the rumpus room out at the cottage. | 19:43 |
| highvoltage | rumpus room? | 19:44 |
| sbalneav | rec room? | 19:44 |
| highvoltage | aah | 19:44 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: no hurry, highvoltage isn't there yet (though it's getting closer and closer ;)) | 19:44 |
| highvoltage | I think I just learned another canadian word | 19:44 |
| sbalneav | What do they call the room in the basement where you can watch tv and make noise in SA | 19:44 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: we generally don't have basements! | 19:45 |
| sbalneav | WHAT?! | 19:45 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: I think I've only ever seen 1 house with a basement | 19:45 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: I guess it might be since we don't have tornadoes to hide from :) | 19:45 |
| sbalneav | Neither do we :) We just have floods, and you don't want to be in the basement when that happens :) | 19:45 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, rumpus room, double-double, bear-claws, social, oh, you have many canadianisms to learn. | 19:46 |
| highvoltage | I watch a show called How I Met Your Mother where there's a Canadian woman and they make lots of fun aboot her | 19:47 |
| highvoltage | I already learned some Canadianisms there | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | yeah, americans love making fun of Canadians. | 19:47 |
| highvoltage | heh, seems like we're about done with the meeting? I'll give it another two minutes and hit the meeting done bong unless something else comes up | 19:48 |
| stgraber | I also remember some NCIS episode where they say: "It can fly as fast as 400km/h" and the other answers "Sorry, I don't speak Canadian!". These americans ... | 19:48 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: yep, and everybody loves to make fun of the americans :) | 19:48 |
| stgraber | yeah, I guess we are good for that meeting ;) | 19:49 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I'm sure I saw a clip of that somewhere! | 19:49 |
| highvoltage | yep we managed to cover everything and talked some smack and we still have 10 minutes to spare | 19:49 |
| highvoltage | thanks everyone! | 19:49 |
| * ogra wraps his spare porsche in cellophane and tags a UPS sticker on it .... | 19:49 | |
| highvoltage | Meeting Ended. *bong* | 19:49 |
| ogra | where do i have to ship it ? | 19:49 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: wow that was easy! hopefully ogra won't charge you shipping costs | 19:50 |
| ogra | nah, i'll send the bill to revolutionlinux :) | 19:50 |
| stgraber | ouch ;) | 19:51 |
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