[08:51] <Speedy1> www.search2.net
[08:52] <vish> !ops , pls ban Speedy1 ^ he keeps posting that is several channels
[08:52] <vish> !ops
[08:53] <nigel_nb> vish, I told them
[08:53] <vish> nigel_nb: neato.. :)
[08:55] <persia> Often it's better to ask in #ubuntu-irc than to call ops for something so general (and it's being sorted)
[08:55] <persia> Calling ops in a channel is better reserved for flooding or inappropriate behaviour, etc., as it only grabs that specific channel's ops, rather than a wider set.
[08:56] <vish> persia: oh , -irc didnt know of that channel thanks.. what is the -ops for? or are both same
[08:57] <persia> vish: As I understand it, "ops" to notify the bot is local-channel emergency, #ubuntu-irc is kinda like IRC support for Ubuntu channels, and #ubuntu-ops is a chat channel for some of the more active ops.
[08:57] <persia> But not all ops idle on -ops, nor even on -irc.
[08:58] <vish> persia: err , yeah , just the -ops channel is a bit intimidating to enter , with their no idling policy :)
[08:59] <persia> -irc is better for 90% of cases.  The only times I end up in -ops is when I have questions about being an IRC op, rather than questions for IRC ops.
[08:59]  * persia is only op in a few channels
[09:00]  * vish learn't of a new -irc channel today \o/ 
[09:13] <czajkowski> vish: also #ubuntu-irc-helpers
[09:15] <vish> czajkowski: ooh.. thanks.   now isnt that one too many channels for irc ops ;) ..
[09:16] <czajkowski> vish: I thik the latter is to help and educate. rather handy to be honest
[09:18] <vish> k..
[09:20] <persia> This conversation is off topic though, and *lots* of people idle here.  -irc is a better place for the discussion.
[13:01] <asac> ok mono uploaded
[13:01] <asac> oops
[13:04] <persia> heh
[13:09]  * elky hands asac an asbestos suit.
[13:10] <asac> damage is already done ... i am contaminated
[13:57] <zul> morning
[13:58]  * stgraber waves
[13:58]  * mathiaz waves
[13:58]  * Daviey joins the mexican wave.
[13:59]  * persia thought it was more of a french wave
[13:59] <nijaba> o/
[13:59] <smoser> morning US/Eastern
[13:59]  * stgraber quickly looks at the LXC blueprint. Everything is done !!!
[13:59] <RoAkSoAx> morning all.. long time no see xD
[13:59]  * jjohansen waves
[14:00] <stgraber> persia: for the record, I'm not french ;)
[14:00] <zul> *cough* US Jr/Eastern as well
[14:00] <persia> stgraber: My apologies.
[14:00] <ttx> lets get cracking
[14:00] <alexm> o/
[14:00] <nijaba> stgraber: swiss, french speaking, right?
[14:00] <stgraber> nijaba: yup, living in Canada :)
[14:00] <zul> ah another wannabe
[14:01] <ttx> #startmeeting
[14:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is ttx.
[14:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:01] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[14:01] <ttx> Agenda ^
[14:02] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[14:02] <ivoks> (date on the meeting is wrong)
[14:02] <smoser> here
[14:02] <ttx> jib is not available so I'll chair this one
[14:02] <ttx> kirkland is scribe, though he is not available right now
[14:03] <ttx> mathiaz is probably on a plane somewhere
[14:03]  * mathiaz waves
[14:03] <ttx> hah
[14:03] <ttx> Good, so we have quorum :)
[14:03] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[14:03]  * nijaba hopes mathias does not make the plane wave
[14:03] <ttx> ACTION: ttx to announce papercuts nominations
[14:03] <ttx> done
[14:03] <ttx> ACTION: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement
[14:04] <zul> will do today
[14:04] <ttx> ACTION: zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist, outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3
[14:04] <zul> done
[14:04] <zul> i think the conensus of the community is to move to 5.3
[14:04] <ttx> zul: is that expected to generate an insane amount of work ?
[14:04] <zul> which means I have to start cracking ;)
[14:05] <mathiaz> zul: what the list of packages that will be broken by moving to 5.3?
[14:05] <zul> ttx: not really, some package s in universe will have to be updated
[14:05] <ivoks> + for 5.3
[14:05] <nijaba> mathiaz: none in main, hopefully
[14:05] <ttx> zul: ok, break them first
[14:05] <ttx> [TOPIC] Alpha3 progress review
[14:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Alpha3 progress review
[14:05] <zul> drupal is the big one big one but we already have drupal6
[14:06] <ttx> So we'll concentrate on prio 1 specs < 70% completion and prio 2 specs < 50%
[14:06] <ttx> uec-testing (mathiaz), quick update on status ?
[14:06] <kirkland> ttx: i plan on testing today's iso
[14:06] <mathiaz> ttx: I think we're in good shape there
[14:07] <mathiaz> ttx: most of the remaining items are about doing the tests
[14:07] <kirkland> ttx: i'll sync with mathiaz before commencing
[14:07] <ttx> kirkland: glad you could make it
[14:07] <ttx> kirkland, mathiaz: ack
[14:07] <ttx> mysql-5.0 (zul): ETA for mysql-cluster
[14:07] <kirkland> ttx: my bip proxy server crashed, OOM errors, kernel panic
[14:07] <zul> ttx: upload it today hopeflly
[14:07] <ttx> seeds (mathiaz): are we reaching a conclusion on RHCS ?
[14:08] <ttx> seeds (zul): did you forward the ctdb issues to Jelmer ?
[14:08] <mathiaz> ttx: hmmm
[14:08] <zul> ttx: not yet
[14:08] <mathiaz> ttx: I had a short talk with ivoks
[14:08] <mathiaz> nijaba: what's your position on rhcs in main for lucid?
[14:08] <ttx> [ACTION] zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF
[14:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF
[14:09] <ttx> [ACTION] zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement
[14:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement
[14:09] <ttx> (backlog)
[14:09] <nijaba> mth
[14:09] <nijaba> mathiaz: my position is simple: we should follow ivok's reco
[14:10] <RoAkSoAx> and that was the plan, to demote RHCS and include the new cluster stack
[14:10] <ttx> nijaba: if ivoks is maintaining it, it makes sense for it to be in universe ?
[14:10]  * Daviey wonders if anyone actually uses RHCS anyway
[14:11] <mathiaz> right - that's more the question - main versus universe
[14:11] <ttx> Daviey: ivoks does
[14:11] <mathiaz> After having talked with Fabio it seems to be a bad idea to keep all of rhcs in main for lucid
[14:11] <nijaba> ttx: that's another discussion, but yes, I am afraid it is the only solution for 10.04
[14:11] <ttx> my understanding is that it's difficult to have the new cluster stack in main without keeping most of RHCS i main
[14:11] <mathiaz> and the current cluster stack is still a moving part
[14:12] <mathiaz> so from an LTS perspective, maintenance for 5 years is also reduced
[14:12] <mathiaz> ttx: not really
[14:12] <mathiaz> ttx: most of the binary packages can be moved to universe
[14:13] <nijaba> we have to be conscious that we are introducing a gap in our feature coverage, but I don't think it really matters
[14:13] <ttx> mathiaz: ok
[14:13] <ttx> mathiaz: that thread should reach a conclusion soon, then
[14:13] <ttx> Maybe a little more discussion can't hurt
[14:13]  * mathiaz agrees
[14:14] <ttx> ok, moving on
[14:14] <ttx> daily-vcs (zul): quick update on status ?
[14:14]  * Daviey would be highly suprised if any enterprise used lucid RHCS in >3 years anyway. So lack of being in main makes little difference.
[14:14] <zul> ttx: been working on the higher priority specs
[14:14] <ttx> puppet-etckeeper-integration (mathiaz, soren): any progress to report ?
[14:14]  * nijaba agrees with Daviey
[14:14] <zul> ttx: no progress though
[14:14] <ttx> Daviey++
[14:15]  * RoAkSoAx agrees with Daviey too
[14:15] <Daviey> Shhh!  We've moved on :)
[14:15] <mathiaz> ttx: waiting on merging 0.25.4 from debian
[14:15] <ttx> puppet-uec-ec2-integration (mathiaz): not started yet, is it in danger ?
[14:15] <ttx> soren ^is this under way ?
[14:15] <soren> Oh hai!
[14:15] <mathiaz> ttx: it's in unstable now
[14:16] <ttx> soren: o/
[14:16] <soren> No news, no.
[14:16] <mathiaz> ttx: ec2-integration: I'm planning to work on that this week
[14:16] <mathiaz> ttx: I don't see it in danger for alpha3
[14:17] <mathiaz> soren: 0.25.4 is in unstable now - it should be merged in lucid
[14:17] <ttx> soren: are you still on track to complete the etckeeper integration item ?
[14:17] <soren> mathiaz: Cool. I'll do that soon.
[14:17] <ttx> ok
[14:17] <soren> ttx: I believe so, yes.
[14:18] <ttx> Questions on alpha3 progress ?
[14:18] <ttx> Other things affecting alpha3 that anyone wants to report ?
[14:18] <ttx> Moving on.
[14:18] <ttx> [TOPIC] server-lucid-papercuts : Nomination review
[14:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  server-lucid-papercuts : Nomination review
[14:18] <ttx> Please see list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs
[14:19] <ttx> We'll go through them, quick +1 / +0 / -1 from those that reviewed the list
[14:19] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/24741
[14:19] <ttx> +1
[14:20] <kirkland> ttx: -1 on the password feedback one
[14:20] <ttx> just a sec :)
[14:20] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/56679
[14:20] <ttx> debian installer thing... +0
[14:20] <nijaba> ttx: move it to foundations?
[14:21] <kirkland> ttx: +0
[14:21] <ttx> well, its already in their realm, and they don't do papercuts :P
[14:21] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/165184
[14:21] <ttx> No clear agreed solution, +0
[14:22] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/194472
[14:22] <zul> why not redirect it to /dev/null?
[14:22] <zul> foundations again
[14:22] <ttx> highly contentious, -1
[14:22] <mathiaz> -1
[14:22] <zul> -1
[14:22] <Daviey> that is not a papercut :)
[14:22] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/211915
[14:22] <ttx> doc bug, +0
[14:22] <zul> +0
[14:23] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/229732
[14:23] <ttx> Not really server, +0
[14:23] <zul> -1
[14:23] <kirkland> ttx: definitely not really server
[14:23] <mathiaz> -1
[14:23] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/263442
[14:23] <ttx> +1
[14:23] <zul> more foundationsy
[14:24] <zul> +0
[14:24] <kirkland> ttx: yeah, +1, that could/should be fixed
[14:24] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/289087
[14:24] <zul> -1
[14:24] <mathiaz> -1: kernel
[14:24] <ttx> no easy solution : -1
[14:24] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/392377
[14:25] <ttx> not sure anything left todo, +0
[14:25] <mathiaz> ttx: where are the critiria for acceptance?
[14:25] <ttx> in the spec
[14:25] <soren> That should be fixed now.
[14:25] <kirkland> -0
[14:25] <ttx> easy solution, server package, < 2h work
[14:25] <zul> -1 based on soren's feedback
[14:25] <soren> Oh, wait.
[14:25] <soren> No, it's not.
[14:25] <zul> +1 then ;)
[14:25] <soren> It's fixed in debootstrap, not in vm-builder.
[14:25] <ttx> soren: exactly
[14:25] <soren> ubottu confused me by only mentioning debootstrap :)
[14:25] <kirkland> okay, yeah +1 then
[14:26] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/393888
[14:26] <soren> I'm expecting to fix that this week.
[14:26] <ttx> +1, if its really just a missing builddep
[14:26] <ttx> -µ1 if it required bump, since papercuts needs to be bugfixes, not something affected by FF
[14:26] <kirkland> ttx: yeah, +1 if only builddep
[14:26] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/406466
[14:26] <zul> -1
[14:26] <ttx> -1 / kernel issue, not even a bug methink
[14:27] <mathiaz> -1 : kernel issue
[14:27] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/428814
[14:27] <ttx> +1
[14:27] <zul> +1
[14:27] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/458203
[14:27] <kirkland> +1
[14:27] <ttx> +1
[14:27] <zul> +0
[14:27] <kirkland> ttx: that's mostly fixed
[14:27] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/460398
[14:27] <kirkland> ttx: in my last merge
[14:27] <ttx> +1
[14:27] <zul> +1
[14:27] <ttx> kirkland: cool :)
[14:27] <soren> +1
[14:27] <kirkland> +1
[14:27] <smoser> command line completion is mostly fixed, kirkland ?
[14:27] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/480460
[14:28] <ttx> +1
[14:28] <zul> +1
[14:28] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/495505
[14:28] <ttx> +1
[14:28] <zul> +0
[14:29] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/496554
[14:29] <ttx> +1 (?)
[14:29] <ttx> taht sounds like a rather outdated doc
[14:30] <ttx> if its completely rotten, might make sense to remove it rather than try to fix it
[14:30] <mathiaz> +1
[14:30] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508606
[14:30] <ttx> +1
[14:30] <zul> +1
[14:30] <ttx> A few other ones have been added recently, we'll review them next week
[14:31] <shattered> cool, my nominations went through :-)
[14:31] <ttx> I'll update the status of the bugs accordingly
[14:31] <ttx> shattered: yay !
[14:31] <shattered> not the usb keyboard one, though
[14:31] <ttx> I propose that we discuss bugfixing goals next week, when we have a better idea of how many bugs we are looking at
[14:32] <ttx> Gives a last chance for people to nominate their stuff :)
[14:32]  * nijaba propose not to discard doc bug, and make sure sommer knows about them
[14:32] <ttx> he is assigned to it, iirc
[14:33] <ttx> nijaba: agreed
[14:33] <shattered> debian install document has the same bug
[14:33] <shattered> if you're talking about 496554
[14:33] <ttx> I'll decline the -n, accept the +n, keep the +0 around
[14:33] <ttx> moving on...
[14:33] <ttx> unless there are any questions?
[14:34] <ttx> [TOPIC] server-lucid-apport-hooks  update (zul)
[14:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  server-lucid-apport-hooks  update (zul)
[14:34] <zul> all prior 1 are done except for openssh its pending a review with cjwatson
[14:35] <cjwatson> zul: it is?  I don't have mail about it
[14:35] <cjwatson> nor do I see a branch on LP
[14:35] <zul> cjwatson: hold on lemme pull it up
[14:35] <ttx> zul: Did you get any community feedback on the prio2 ones ?
[14:36] <zul> ttx: no :(
[14:36] <cjwatson> sorry if I missed it on IRC, but IRC is kind of unreliable
[14:36] <ttx> Hopefully you'll get some -- after the email you're going to send about it :)
[14:36] <zul> cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ubuntu/lucid/openssh/openssh-apport-hook
[14:36] <zul> ttx: heh
[14:36] <cjwatson> ah, now I see it, I was looking for upstream branches, sorry
[14:36] <cjwatson> I wonder why I didn't get a mail
[14:36] <zul> cjwatson: no probs
[14:37] <cjwatson> anyway, thanks, I'll review that now
[14:37] <ttx> As a general reminder, apport hooks are easy, and a great way of contributing your first patches/branches to Ubuntu :)
[14:37] <zul> and I dont bite
[14:37] <ttx> especailly with a core-dev standing by to sponsor your work :)=
[14:37] <RoAkSoAx> i might be able to help if the time allows me to do so :)
[14:37] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)
[14:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)
[14:38] <ttx> soren: howdy
[14:39] <ttx> soren: if nothing else, when is new guy starting ?
[14:39] <ttx> looks like we lost soren, we'll skip to...
[14:39] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[14:39] <ttx> jjohansen: howdy ?
[14:39] <smoser> new guy starts: 15th (which is a US holiday) so 16th
[14:40] <ttx> arh
[14:40] <jjohansen> new EC2 kernel is checked in
[14:40] <ttx> smoser: thx
[14:40] <smoser> and booted in daily build output too!
[14:40] <jjohansen> has the latest updates, and updated configs
[14:40] <jjohansen> sweet
[14:40] <ttx> smoser/jjohansen: so krd is complete now ?
[14:40] <jjohansen> yes
[14:40] <ttx> \o/
[14:40] <jjohansen> modulo any bugs
[14:40] <jjohansen> also Bug #519448
[14:40] <smoser> ttx, definitely complete for ec2. and no ramdisks are published right now for uec.
[14:40] <ttx> feature-complete, I should say
[14:41] <jjohansen> has been fixed for next proposed karmic
[14:41] <smoser> so we'll see for uec soon enough.
[14:41] <jjohansen> and those changes are being rolled into lucid as well
[14:41] <jjohansen> I think that is it
[14:42] <ttx> jjohansen: also I blamed kernel for recent lucid random freezes, and it was plymouth fault.
[14:42] <smoser> best bet is to always blame the kernel
[14:42]  * ttx beats himself with a big stick
[14:42] <jjohansen> heh, well I blamed the kernel too, at first
[14:42] <Daviey> plymouth on server shocker.
[14:42] <ttx> soren: are you back ?
[14:43] <soren> Sorry, yes.
[14:43] <ttx> Any other question for John ?
[14:43] <soren> I'm on my new laptop, and my IRC-notification thing seems to be malfunctioning. Sorry about that.
[14:43]  * soren catches up
[14:43] <ttx> ok, back to the future:
[14:43] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)
[14:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren)
[14:43] <soren> Ah.
[14:43] <soren> Um..
[14:44] <soren> I don't actually know when he'll be starting. I /think/ it's next week.
[14:44] <ttx> smoser answered that one
[14:44] <ttx> Feb 16th
[14:44] <soren> Other than that, I've handed over my automatic ISO testing stuff to the QA team. It'll be running in the DC soon.
[14:44] <smoser> i'm 98% certain on that. that is what marjo told me.
[14:44] <soren> smoser: That's probably true, then :)
[14:44] <soren> he should know :)
[14:44] <soren> I think that's all I have.
[14:44] <zul> heh he/she is going to be very very busy
[14:45] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review  (mathiaz)
[14:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review  (mathiaz)
[14:45]  * mathiaz pulls out the lists
[14:45] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:45] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[14:45] <mathiaz> anything SRU worth ^^?
[14:46] <ttx> i think bug 503180
[14:46] <ttx> kirkland: you planned a SRU /if/ the fix inlucid can also be applied to karmic, right ?
[14:46] <Daviey> bug 343870
[14:46] <kirkland> ttx: it should be a 2-liner
[14:46] <kirkland> ttx: i can prep the upload, and put it in a PPA
[14:47] <kirkland> ttx: if i could get some people to test it
[14:47] <kirkland> ttx: my rig is all Lucid
[14:47] <kirkland> ttx: i won't have much cycles to work on Karmic
[14:47] <ttx> Daviey: already nominated/accepted
[14:47] <Daviey> oops
[14:47] <ttx> kirkland: sounds like a plan.
[14:47] <nijaba> kirkland: ping me when you want to test, I have a setup ready for it
[14:47] <kirkland> ttx: action me to put an upload in a karmic ppa for testing
[14:47] <ttx> kirkland: also TeTeT could help
[14:48] <kirkland> ttx: as soon as 1 person verifies the ppa, i'll push to proposed
[14:48] <ttx> [ACTION] kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA
[14:48] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA
[14:48] <kirkland> ttx: or i can just push to propose, if you recommend
[14:48] <zul> i just like to point out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/SRUTracker (its still a work in progress)
[14:49] <ttx> we have no idea if the DB deadlock in karmic will be fully fixed by that... so I prefer PPA
[14:49] <kirkland> ttx: ack
[14:49] <ttx> mathiaz: that's all from me
[14:49] <mathiaz> great
[14:50] <mathiaz> anything else?
[14:50] <ttx> zul: cool
[14:50] <mathiaz> there is one bug nominated for jaunty|karmic: bug 364581
[14:50] <ttx> +1
[14:51] <ttx> "Low" being slightly underestimated
[14:51] <mathiaz> ok - accepting then
[14:51] <zul> shouldnt bugs be undecided before triaging them?
[14:51] <ttx> zul: no
[14:52] <mathiaz> that's all for the SRU review
[14:52] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[14:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[14:52] <ttx> Note that we no longer do a canonical-server-rteam bug review, as it brought little value to the contents of the meeting
[14:53] <Daviey> (\o/)
[14:53] <ttx> any blocking bug should be brought up in Open Discussion
[14:53] <ttx> (not just canonical's team ones)
[14:53] <Daviey> ooo, tftpd..
[14:54] <Daviey> is that being resolved stgraber ?
[14:54] <ttx> If we have some free time, lets see new papercuts nominations :)
[14:54] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508382
[14:54] <kirkland> tftpd-hpa in lucid sucks
[14:55] <Daviey> kirkland: it's always had some degree of suckness.. but now moreso.
[14:55] <stgraber> I'm still not sure about what to do here but I'm very tempted to restore the old behavior
[14:55] <kirkland> stgraber: or downgrade?
[14:55] <ttx> I'd say +1 on the bconsole bug thing
[14:56] <kirkland> stgraber: at the very least, please restore old behavior
[14:56] <ttx> though LDFLAGS=" " is almost certainly not the right way to fix it
[14:56] <stgraber> ideally I'd just revert to what we had in Karmic but it's not exactly easy to do if we want to be able to sync with Debian in the future
[14:56] <stgraber> (as in, reverting to the old version completely)
[14:57] <Daviey> stgraber: it wouldn't be a huge delta for us to carry, would it?
[14:57] <Daviey> to diverge and carry.
[14:57] <stgraber> so easiest is probably to tweak it so it works as before (inetd + /var/lib/tftpboot + no debconf)
[14:57] <ttx> stgraber: I'd revert to old behavior... and try to convince the debian maintainer of the value of the old system
[14:57] <stgraber> Daviey: I don't think so no
[14:57] <ttx> be it only for upgrade scenarios
[14:57] <ttx> I suppose debian server users also upgrade
[14:58] <ttx> stgraber: reverting to old version won't help in the long run
[14:58] <kirkland> ttx: let's solve this in #ubuntu-server
[14:58] <ttx> sure
[14:59] <ttx> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[14:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[14:59] <ttx> That will be again same place same time, for at least one more week
[14:59] <kirkland> ttx: one hour later, please
[14:59] <ttx> kirkland: it's not in my power to change that
[14:59] <kirkland> ttx: should we just drop that last TOPIC item, then?
[14:59]  * Daviey checks the TOPIC
[15:00] <kirkland> ttx: we always ask, and I always say "one hour later please"  :-)
[15:00] <ttx> kirkland: but... if you convince jos /and/ send an email after having convinced him, I'm ok with one hour later
[15:00] <kirkland> ttx: okay
[15:00] <Daviey> any meeting date and time you chose, providing it is Wednesday at 2:00PM UTC -- Hnery Ford.
[15:00]  * mathiaz pushes for a different day
[15:00] <ttx> mathiaz: that's an even more ambitious move !
[15:00] <jiboumans> kirkland: probably in may, fyi
[15:00]  * jiboumans back to meeting &
[15:00] <ttx> even more not in my little sphere of power
[15:01] <ttx> #endmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:01.
[15:01] <soren> Wow, you have a sphere of power? That sounds COOL!
[15:01] <ttx> soren: I used to have a sphere of influence, but it dodn't work that well
[15:02] <soren> What's the exchange rate from Spheres of Influence to Spheres of Power these days?
[15:04] <ttx> soren: it's not so good. But back when I traded mine, it was good. I got a small Sphere of Power for my medium-sized speher of Influence
[15:05] <kirkland> ttx: soren: and how does a Sphere of Power relate to a Ring of Power?
[15:05] <kirkland> maybe that was what that giant marble was that Sauraman had...
[15:06] <ttx> A Ring of Power is mostly about your friends network. A Sphere of Power is centered around yourself.
[15:06] <soren> kirkland: I'm not sure. I don't even know how it compares to my Spear of DOOM!
[15:06] <persia> soren: How does that differ from the well advertised long pointy stick?
[15:06] <ttx> Spear of Doom ? like... being an admin of ubuntu-core-dev ?
[15:07] <fader_> I haven't even managed to get a Web of Trust... I'm so far behind. :(
[15:07] <ttx> Sphere of Power only allows you to schedule UDS sessions, so it kinda sucks
[15:07] <soren> persia: Well, it's a spear, isn't it? So it's pointy by definition. The tip might break of the pointy stick, and then it'd just be a stick.
[15:08]  * ttx remembers the time of web rings
[15:10] <persia> Ah, so the spear of DOOM! is cladded.  That makes sense.
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi folks
[16:00] <ev> hi
[16:00] <barry> howdy
[16:01] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <lool> Heya
[16:01] <__keybuk> Hai
[16:01]  * slangasek waves
[16:01] <cjwatson> tremolux,james_w: ping
[16:02] <cjwatson> is doko on leave?
[16:02] <tremolux> hey!  hi everyone
[16:04] <james_w> hi
[16:04] <cjwatson> ok, let's get started
[16:04] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:04. The chair is cjwatson.
[16:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:05] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0210#Agenda
[16:05] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0210#Agenda
[16:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0210#Agenda
[16:05] <cjwatson> silly parser, I swear it sometimes works
[16:05] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:06] <cjwatson> order: slangasek,__keybuk,mvo,lool,james_w,tremolux,ev,barry,cjwatson
[16:06] <slangasek> fighting with plymouth, everyone can reproduce the bugs except me
[16:06] <slangasek> help wanted... :)
[16:06] <__keybuk> I have nothing to paste - first day back today
[16:07] <slangasek> (EOF)
[16:07] <cjwatson> __keybuk: *nod*
[16:08] <mvo> software-center missing feature, ratings&review,
[16:08] <mvo> upgrade tester (added stepmaker profiels for gui upgrade, that is pure love)
[16:08] <mvo> tie up loose ends from the sprint
[16:08] <mvo> fighting jetlag
[16:08] <mvo> (EOF)
[16:08] <lool> Lots of work on linux/versatile; worked on a bunch of ARM/qemu issues as well; some minor work on pycentral/pysupport tools.
[16:08] <lool> (done)
[16:09] <james_w> working on the bzr importer and putting features in to bzr-builddeb before next week. Not blocked on anything.
[16:09] <james_w> FIN
[16:09] <tremolux> I've been working on presentation of individual software
[16:09] <tremolux> sources in Software Center.  Some finish work still to do there.
[16:09] <tremolux> Next up is back/forward navigation in the top level "Get Software" section.
[16:09] <tremolux> Hopefully other work items as time allows before feature freeze.
[16:09] <tremolux> P.S.  Sprint was lots of fun, thanks everybody!
[16:09] <tremolux> (done)
[16:09] <ev> trying to untangle a debconf bug in casper, looking into a kde oem-config bug, looking into a bug in ubiquity/console-setup whereby its not selecting the right keyboard map, and polishing up and testing my ubiquity conversion to plugins branch in preparation for merging.
[16:09] <ev> EOF
[16:09] <barry> Sprinting. Computer Janitor refactoring; dbus service and cli completed.  Will be working on updating the gtk ui next. Research on Launchpad Answers application for use by ratings-and-reviews. Submitted preliminary branch for review.  That was approved so will land that today.  Began work on next Launchpad branch in support of ratings-and-reviews in Software Center.  Will have pre-imp discussion with Curtis on that today and should have
[16:09] <barry> branch ready for review by EOW.  Updated PEP 3147 for supporting multiple installed Python versions.  Pycon 2010 prep.  EOT.
[16:09] <barry>  
[16:09] <barry>  
[16:09] <cjwatson> done: finished grub device-id work, at last; network initramfs issues for iscsi-root; other bits and pieces
[16:09] <cjwatson> blocked: live CD greeter from DX for foundations-lucid-gfxboot-update, but I talked with bratsche at the sprint so this is at least moving
[16:09] <cjwatson> todo: big dpkg merge once bzr-builddeb can handle .tar.bz2; debconf-dbus, still under discussion on packagekit list
[16:09] <cjwatson> EOF
[16:10] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:10] <cjwatson> there was one here, which was actually for the sprint agenda but I don't think that happened
[16:10] <cjwatson> mvo to add bug 506709 to sprint agenda
[16:10] <cjwatson> do you want to track that some other way?
[16:11] <mvo> cjwatson: I did not manage to discuss it o nthe sprint
[16:11] <mvo> I will just talk to people OOB (slangasek or keybuk)
[16:11] <mvo> its milestoned, so it should not get lost
[16:11] <cjwatson> right
[16:11] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:12] <cjwatson> we're a little early for this!  but perhaps it is a good time to ask if anyone expects to be requesting anything along those lines
[16:12] <cjwatson> eight days to FF
[16:13] <cjwatson> I am expecting to probably need to defer the ubiquity lvm/raid work, unfortunately
[16:13] <cjwatson> as well as btrfs, which isn't a huge surprise
[16:14] <ev> I'll in all likelihood be deferring the jockey integration in ubiquity
[16:14] <mvo> its not clear if archive based indexes will make it, we may have to do a workaround
[16:14] <slangasek> cjwatson: did you get a chance to talk with bratsche about the gfxboot stuff at the sprint and get that unblocked?
[16:15] <barry> cjwatson: heads up that the pitti burndown url is not responding
[16:15] <cjwatson> slangasek: I talked with him, and he said it was a couple of hours of work; I nagged again today and he said "today"
[16:15] <slangasek> ok
[16:15] <james_w> there's a bunch of bzr features we could make use of that won't happen in the next week, but I'm not sure they'll be for lucid anyway
[16:15] <cjwatson> barry: which one?  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-foundations-lucid-alpha-3.html WFM
[16:16] <cjwatson> mvo: which archive-based indexes?
[16:16] <cjwatson> barry: (note that it's moved a couple of times)
[16:16] <barry> cjwatson: ah, this wiki page is out of date: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[16:16]  * barry fixes...
[16:16] <cjwatson> aha, yes please
[16:16] <mvo> cjwatson: the idea to get rid of the app-install-data package and build that on package build time
[16:17] <cjwatson> ah.  consequence of deferring that is that we get to keep doing SRUs for things?
[16:18] <mvo> the consequenz is that external repos (like PPAs) do not benefit from the icons
[16:18] <mvo> unless we add hacks to the package file
[16:18] <mvo> maemo for example encodes the icon in the packages file
[16:19] <cjwatson> ah, the format isn't sufficiently nailed down yet that we can implement the client in advance of the server, then?
[16:19] <mvo> the other ugliness is that we have to maintian the app-install-data package wich is a bit of a pain, but for the main archive its fine
[16:19] <mvo> well, that is a possiblity
[16:19] <mvo> its just risky
[16:19] <cjwatson> icon in packages file> likely to bloat rather a lot, at least for the main archive :(
[16:19] <cjwatson> yeah
[16:19] <mvo> for the main archive ap-install-data is good enough for now
[16:19] <mvo> its really for 3rd party and PPA
[16:19] <cjwatson> ok, well let me know if I can do anything to push the server side along
[16:20] <mvo> and it would be nice to have a solution for this, going with a client-only implementation may well be the way forward
[16:20] <mvo> thanks
[16:21] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:21] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21445
[16:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21445
[16:21] <mvo> I got a bunch there
[16:23] <cjwatson> yeah, there's one casper bug which I think is related to plymouth, and the rest of the foundations ones seem to be in package management
[16:23] <cjwatson> I might hoover up a thumb2 bug or two if I can
[16:24] <persia> We've having a hacking session on that in about 22 hours in #ubuntu-arm
[16:25] <cjwatson> mvo: any particular ones you'd like to pass on?
[16:25] <cjwatson> or are you ok?
[16:26] <mvo> bug #506709 is one that i need help from someone with plymouth experience
[16:27] <mvo> for the software-center ones I will talk to tremolux if he can take some :)
[16:27] <tremolux> will do my best  :)
[16:27] <mvo> then it should be ok
[16:27] <mvo> thanks
[16:28] <barry> tremolux, mvo perhaps we can discuss ratings and reviews after this meeting?
[16:28] <tremolux> barry: fine for me
[16:28] <cjwatson> I'm going to skip targeted bugs for this week, and do a pass over them to see what needs to be milestoned
[16:28] <barry> (and s/c in general, if help is needed)
[16:28] <mvo> barry: yes
[16:29] <cjwatson> though don't let me stop you doing the same
[16:29] <cjwatson> sponsorship queue: weekly nag/guilt-trip :)
[16:29] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Good news
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good news
[16:29] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I feel no guilt ;)
[16:29] <cjwatson> Keybuk: such a rebel
[16:30] <cjwatson> ... gosh, you're all depressives this week
[16:31] <Keybuk> it's hard to feel good when two weeks ago it was the middle of summer, and I was wearing shorts and t-shirt
[16:31] <cjwatson> good news: MY OWN BED
[16:31] <mvo> stepmaker is good news
[16:31] <Keybuk> and now it's frakkin' snowing
[16:31] <mvo> gui upgrade testing automatic, unattended
[16:31] <barry> cjwatson: how about: 2nd huge snowstorm in less than a week?  blizzard conditions right outside my window
[16:31] <slangasek> good news: it's above freezing here (barely)
[16:31] <cjwatson> mvo: runnable in the datacentre now too, maybe? :)
[16:31] <lool> linux/versatile boots and is useful again!  (not uploaded yet)
[16:32] <mvo> cjwatson: almost!
[16:32] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:32] <lool> I wonder whether some people here would have time for MIRs?
[16:32] <cjwatson> was missing all but about three or four activity reports last I checked, gentle reminder
[16:32] <mvo> for last week?
[16:32] <mvo> my is "at the sprint"
[16:32] <cjwatson> oh, a few people had a bit of detail on what they did there. :)
[16:33] <cjwatson> "what I did on my holidays"
[16:33] <mvo> wehhh, ok. I will try to gather it, but without my gtimelog logs I'm usually lost :)
[16:33] <barry> mvo: me too! :)
[16:33] <Keybuk> cjwatson: didn't really keep track of what I did there
[16:34] <cjwatson> I had to go back and remind myself
[16:34] <cjwatson> well, we'll do what we can
[16:35] <cjwatson> lool: you asking existing ubuntu-mir folks, or for new volunteers?
[16:35] <cjwatson> we had a few new folks a few months ago, IIRC ...
[16:35] <cjwatson> is the volume rising rapidly?
[16:35] <lool> cjwatson: Both
[16:36] <lool> it's a been a couple of weeks that MIRs have backlogged
[16:36] <lool> and FF is usually a busy time for MIRs
[16:37] <cjwatson> the general sense I got at the sprint was that there was very little spare time available on this team, but perhaps those who have already volunteered for it can spend a bit of time on it this week?
[16:39] <cjwatson> seems like that's everything for this meeting, so thanks all
[16:39] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:39] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:39.
[16:39] <lool> Thanks
[16:39] <ev> thanks
[16:39] <slangasek> thanks
[16:39] <cjwatson> I'll do the release meeting this week
[16:39] <cjwatson> who wants to chair next week?
[16:39] <Keybuk> I can chair
[16:40] <Keybuk> it feels like it might be my turn again
[16:40] <mvo> thanks
[16:40] <cjwatson> ok :)
[16:43] <james_w> thanks
[16:59]  * ara waves
[16:59] <pedro_> hello folks
[17:00]  * fader_ waves.
[17:00] <fader_> marjo is out today and asked me to chair
[17:00] <fader_> So, let's see if this works
[17:00] <fader_> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is fader_.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <fader_> w00t
[17:00] <fader_> Agenda:
[17:00] <fader_> * SRU testing -- sbeattie
[17:00] <fader_> * Bugday highlights -- pedro
[17:01] <fader_> Short agenda today
[17:01] <fader_> sbeattie: How's SRU testing look?
[17:02] <karlheg> [LURK]
[17:02] <sbeattie> SRU Activity report for the past two weeks (since 2010-01-27):
[17:02] <sbeattie> * karmic: 9 new packages in -proposed (cups, devicekit-power, foomatic-filters, gnome-games, gnome-power-manager, gscan2pdf, linux, metacity, psyco), and 6 packages pushed to -updates (devicekit-power, gnome-power-manager, gtk+2.0, kopete-facebook, ubuntuone-client, ubuntuone-storage-protocol)
[17:02] <sbeattie> * jaunty: 2 new package in -proposed (psyco, squirrelmail)
[17:02] <sbeattie> * intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (squirrelmail)
[17:02] <sbeattie> * hardy: no new packages in -proposed and 7 packages pushed to -updates (base-files, debian-installer, ganeti, klibc, language-packs, moodle, sun-java5)
[17:02] <sbeattie> * dapper: no SRU activity
[17:02] <sbeattie> Thanks to Miklos Juhasz, Moneta Funzionata, Novecento, glass.dimly, Colin Whittaker, Christian Loos, Joshua Hoover, erlguta, Tonnerre, papukaija, Roman Yepishev, Szebenyi Bálint, Stew Ellis, Ian Hutchinson, Tybion, and Paul Elliott.
[17:02] <sbeattie> ... for testing out packages in -proposed.
[17:02] <sbeattie> Also, thanks to everyone who helped test SRUs and isos for the 8.04.4 release.
[17:03] <sbeattie> That's all I've got for this week.
[17:03] <fader_> Any word on how 8.04.4 went?  I didn't hear any major disaster stories so I assume everything went well :)
[17:03] <sbeattie> AFAIK it went well, there was a couple of minor issues that crept in that I've forgotten the details of.
[17:04] <fader_> Cool... I always assume no news is good news.
[17:04] <fader_> Any questions/comments/concerns  from anyone about SRU testing?
[17:04] <sbeattie> davmor2 might remember if he were here.
[17:05] <fader_> Heh, he's too important to hang out with us today apparently :)
[17:06] <fader_> [TOPIC] Bugday highlights
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugday highlights
[17:06] <fader_> pedro_: ^^
[17:06] <pedro_> well there's no highlights from past bug day since we didn't have one
[17:06] <pedro_> but... tomorrow we're having a great bug day based on pitivi
[17:06] <pedro_> yes, the video and audio editor
[17:07] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100211
[17:07] <fader_> Neat... seems like a good one as it's going to be in lucid by default
[17:07] <pedro_> the plan is to help the desktop team to clean up the product and to provide more reports to the upstream developers in order to have a better package for lucid
[17:08] <pedro_> so if you have some spare minutes, please consider on join us that day ;-)
[17:08] <pedro_> also special thanks to Fagan for helping out with the organization
[17:09] <fader_> Thanks pedro_.  Any questions for pedro_?
[17:09] <pedro_> seems he's not around either, probably he's hanging around with davmor2 :-P
[17:09] <fader_> Hehe
[17:10] <fader_> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[17:10] <ara> yes,  I had one topic in the wiki
[17:10] <ara> one small one :)
[17:11] <fader_> ara: You snuck it in after I checked this morning :)
[17:11] <ara> yes,  late one :D
[17:11] <fader_> [TOPIC] nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  nVIDIA & ATI proprietary drivers testing
[17:11] <fader_> ara: please go ahead! :)
[17:11] <ara> I just wanted to remind people that we are testing ATI & nVIDIA proprietary drivers on a weekly basis
[17:11] <ara> if you have one of these graphics cards and want to participate, you can read the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram
[17:12] <ara> we are starting next week!
[17:12] <fader_> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram
[17:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/WeeklyProgram
[17:12]  * fader_ is all signed up and ready to test.
[17:13] <fader_> Thank you ara
[17:13] <ara> OK, and that's all from me
[17:13] <fader_> Anything else?
[17:13] <fader_> Going once...
[17:14] <fader_> Going twice...
[17:14] <fader_> Okay, looks like that's it.
[17:14] <fader_> Thanks everyone!
[17:14] <fader_> #endmeeting
[17:14] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:14.
[17:15] <pedro_> thanks
[17:39] <YokoZar> QA meeting 40 minutes ago?
[17:39] <YokoZar> (no logs on wiki)
[17:41] <persia> YokoZar: It started and finished (took about 15 minutes)
[17:42] <persia> irclogs.ubuntu.com ought have it in about 20 minutes if the wiki isn't updated.
[17:42] <YokoZar> Guess I didn't miss anything interesting while I was trying to connect with bad proxy settings
[19:00] <highvoltage> *** Edubuntu meeting about to commense
[19:01] <persia> Quick, you only have a few seconds less to start it ...
[19:01] <persia> Aw, too late.
[19:01]  * stgraber waves
[19:01] <alkisg> Hi all
[19:01]  * mgariepy waves
[19:01] <mgariepy> hi
[19:01] <highvoltage> hi everyone!
[19:02] <highvoltage> I just deleted some of the old agenda items but we'll probably do a bit more: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
[19:02] <highvoltage> Lucid Release Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[19:02] <stgraber> FF is next thursday
[19:03] <Lns> hi
[19:03] <stgraber> highvoltage: we should probably add LTSP live ?
[19:03] <highvoltage> daily builds are working again (thanks to stgraber who fixed *several* broken langauge packs in ubuntu)
[19:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: *nod*
[19:03] <stgraber> well, actually they are broken again ;)
[19:03] <stgraber> due to some KDE issues
[19:04] <highvoltage> ohno :(
[19:04] <highvoltage> daily builds are available from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/ if anyone is interested
[19:04] <stgraber> I'm hoping that they'll get auto-resolved tonight or I'll have to nag some KDE people ;)
[19:04] <stgraber> good thing Tonio_ works for Revolution Linux too and is some 2m away from me :)
[19:04] <highvoltage> I installed yesterdays daily build today, it's down to 1.5GB. We have some new packages that we're installing from universe
[19:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh! nice to have some kde people we can nag on board :)
[19:06] <highvoltage> on the Lucid netbook item,
[19:06] <sbalneav> Present
[19:06] <highvoltage> I'll install it today (as in after the meeting) and check that it installs and works properly
[19:06] <highvoltage> howdy sbalneav
[19:07] <stgraber> great
[19:07] <stgraber> highvoltage: just wondering, testing the new image, did you see anything in the boot menu that shouldn't be there ? (boot menu == gfxboot)
[19:08] <highvoltage> mgariepy: edubuntu menu editor is about to go into main right?
[19:08] <highvoltage> stgraber: I specifically checked it, it's perfect
[19:08] <highvoltage> stgraber: I also checked whether the F4 Install LTSP option is still there, and it isn't
[19:09] <stgraber> great
[19:09] <mgariepy> highvoltage, edubuntu-menueditor will stay in universe.
[19:10] <mgariepy> and will be included on the dvd.
[19:10] <sbalneav> Super!
[19:10] <stgraber> Edubuntu can depend directly on universe packages now and support timeframe is the same in main and universe for it
[19:10] <highvoltage> mgariepy: great!
[19:10] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah I thought I saw you dent about a MIR about it before, I was probably mistaken
[19:11] <highvoltage> alpha 3 is scheduled for February 25
[19:11] <highvoltage> sbalneav: would you be up for hosting another bug day on february 23?
[19:12] <sbalneav> Yessir
[19:12] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'll book the both of us in Zimbra too
[19:12] <highvoltage> great! It's actually just around the corner so we should probably start to announce
[19:12] <sbalneav> I will gladly spend a day smacking bugs.
[19:12] <highvoltage> thanks stgraber :)
[19:12] <sbalneav> Want me to post to -devel & -discuss?
[19:13] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes it will be appreciated
[19:14] <sbalneav> K, last time we sort of focused on LTSP bugs.  I haven't tested for about a week, but as of last week, LTSP seemed to be a-ok-#1
[19:14] <sbalneav> Should we focus on APP bugs this time?
[19:14] <highvoltage> I think so
[19:14] <highvoltage> also new things like live ltsp
[19:14] <sbalneav> stgraber: your feeling on the state of LTSP?
[19:14] <highvoltage> (which isn't implemented yet but soon will be)
[19:15] <highvoltage> I think it's important to look at some of the new apps we install by default now
[19:15] <stgraber> I hope to have 5.2 released early next week and uploaded to Ubuntu
[19:15] <stgraber> we currently have a 15s boot time
[19:15] <stgraber> including 2s of DHCP and 1s due to bootchart
[19:15] <stgraber> so a CPU usage of 12s which is really good ;)
[19:16] <stgraber> we also started using fat client at Revolution Linux for testing
[19:16] <stgraber> and mgariepy seems to survive using it so it should be quite good
[19:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: did you give one to BSA to try? he was quite eager :)
[19:16] <sbalneav> 5.2 will have the nbd proxy in it, right?
[19:16] <stgraber> sbalneav: yep
[19:17] <stgraber> sbalneav: we just need to do a quick test with VBox to see exactly what's going on
[19:17] <stgraber> my tests showed that we can kill all nbd-server processes every second and still boot and use a thin client just fine
[19:17] <mgariepy> fat client work quite fine on a atom 270 with 2G of ram, it's quite impressive i think. beside the login time though ;)
[19:17] <alkisg> stgraber, a friend of mine also had this problem on a live pc - so that vbox testing would be nice...
[19:17] <stgraber> with the network speed going from 100Mb/s when nbd-server is up all the time to 20Mb/s when it's killed every second :)
[19:17] <highvoltage> I'm busy setting up ltsp in vbox on the latest build
[19:18] <alkisg> Yeah the login time for fat clients takes too long... is that an sshfs problem?
[19:18] <stgraber> highvoltage: make sure to use my PPA, I know current Lucid is a bit broken
[19:18] <highvoltage> I kind of lack focus today but sometimes it's good to jump around a bit... after the meeting I'll spend some dedicated energy and test it
[19:18] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, will do
[19:18] <mgariepy> alkisg, haven't took time to take a look yet.
[19:18] <stgraber> alkisg: not sure, the tests we made show that it's not really downloading much at session open but we'll need more profiling to know exactly what's happening there
[19:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: cool
[19:20] <highvoltage> I'm just trying to think of any Edubuntu Council issues we may have to discuss. We haven't had en EC meeting in quite a time
[19:20] <highvoltage> but we haven't really had a need for one yet
[19:20] <stgraber> I'd propose making mgariepy a member ;)
[19:20] <highvoltage> afaict there hasn't been any member applications
[19:21] <highvoltage> yes he should apply :)
[19:21] <highvoltage> I've updated our team reports to include the reports for December and January: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/TeamReports
[19:22] <highvoltage> perhraps we should take turns to do it, every month someone else :)
[19:22] <highvoltage> on second thought making a turn system sounds like too much work ;)
[19:22] <stgraber> ;)
[19:23] <sbalneav> I'd second mgariepy being an edubuntu-member
[19:24] <stgraber> I just pasted him the link to an example wiki page, so he can prepare one for next meeting
[19:24] <highvoltage> sounds good.
[19:24] <stgraber> IIRC we need to follow the same standards as regular Ubuntu membership including the wiki page
[19:24] <highvoltage> so we'll make the next meeting an EC meeting as well?
[19:24] <stgraber> yep
[19:24] <highvoltage> yes I would insist on that
[19:24] <stgraber> anyway, it's pretty much only EC members here :)
[19:25] <Lns> at least we have a dedicated council! =)
[19:25] <alkisg> :)
[19:25]  * highvoltage pokes nixternal with a sharp stick
[19:26] <highvoltage> I'd like a website update from Hedgemadge and dhillion-v10 as well, they don't seem to have been online much the last week
[19:26] <highvoltage> I think dhillion-v10 mentioned that he'll be away for a few days due to exams
[19:27] <highvoltage> we'll probably have a decent website update next week, I'll ask them to send it to the edubuntu-devel list
[19:27] <stgraber> sounds good
[19:28] <stgraber> do we have any update on artwork ?
[19:28] <highvoltage> it would be nice to have the website up and running by the end of the month. I don't think there are any blockers at this stage
[19:28] <stgraber> highvoltage: +1
[19:28] <sbalneav> I approached Digital Blasphemy.  After receiving an initial email, I haven't heard anything since.
[19:28] <highvoltage> I'm going to update the artwork packages to include Mads's wallpaper. he sent me a Gimp source file that can be used to generate other artwork we might need
[19:29] <Lns> generating artwork?
[19:29] <highvoltage> It's very usable, although if we get anything better we can use it
[19:29] <stgraber> ok, sounds good. Poke me when you have something I can upload.
[19:29] <sbalneav> Did anyone look at my update to gartoon? Gartoon-redux?
[19:29] <highvoltage> Lns: well, as in, we can remove elements that we don't need
[19:29] <sbalneav> it's in my ppa
[19:29] <Lns> highvoltage: ah
[19:29] <stgraber> sbalneav: I've put that on highvoltage's todo list ;)
[19:29] <highvoltage> sbalneav: it's on my todo list to... yes what stgraber said
[19:29] <sbalneav> hahaha
[19:30] <highvoltage> sbalneav: can you send me the links to it? My job is to take screenshots to send to the list
[19:30] <sbalneav> It does seem to fix a couple of the gartoon bugs we had.
[19:30] <sbalneav> Do you want a screenshot of my box?
[19:30] <highvoltage> sbalneav: that would be nice
[19:30] <sbalneav> or the gartoon-redux site?
[19:31] <highvoltage> sbalneav: that would be ideal
[19:31] <highvoltage> the folder icon in gartoon has been the #1 complaint about it
[19:31] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ok, I'll make one tonight.  I'll make sure to take the current goat-porn background I've got off :)
[19:31] <highvoltage> perhaps it's something we could fix as well at some point. at least that's something doable beyond FF
[19:32] <highvoltage> sbalneav: thanks!
[19:32] <stgraber> sbalneav: ideally, I'd have one screenshot of each icon theme showing a nautilus window + the gnome menu.
[19:32] <sbalneav> Got a link to one of Mad's new backgrounds?  That way I could show off "the complete package"
[19:32] <stgraber> so we can easily compare
[19:32] <highvoltage> (re the goat pr0n)
[19:32] <joerg> hi
[19:32] <highvoltage> hi joerg
[19:32] <sbalneav> hello joerg
[19:32] <joerg> hello edubuntu people :)
[19:33] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I haven't uploaded it yet, only sent to the list. I'll upload it to the wiki and send you a link
[19:33] <sbalneav> We prefer the term "Edubuntuoids" :)
[19:33] <highvoltage> oh we're recognised!
[19:34] <highvoltage> oh right artwork
[19:34] <sbalneav> As in: "How many edubuntuoids does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Just one, but you have to keep checking the lightbulb's PPA for updates"
[19:34] <highvoltage> (my little brain is fried)
[19:34] <sbalneav> badum-bum.
[19:34] <sbalneav> <high hat>
[19:35] <highvoltage> I also want to give a bash at modifying a nice gtk/metacity theme from an existing nice one for edubuntu
[19:35] <highvoltage> it's nice to have some diffirentiation from a standard ubuntu install
[19:35] <Lns> As long as we're on artwork, I'd like to propose possibly creating gtk+/gnome themes based on grade level
[19:36] <sbalneav> Nobody?  Not even a chuckle?  Geez, I'm slipping
[19:36] <Lns> with iconsets, etc. that reflect the age group
[19:36] <highvoltage> sbalneav: heh :)
[19:36] <Lns> I've never "done" themes before but i could look into it
[19:36] <highvoltage> Lns: we could do it by the tasks there are currently. I think there are 3 differentl levels atm
[19:37] <highvoltage> Lns: realistically finding more than 3 icons sets would also be pretty much impossible :)
[19:37] <Lns> well we could also have a standard ubuntu iconset so if people don't want a mocked-up educational look/feel, and stick with ubuntu's look, they can
[19:37] <highvoltage> Lns: perhaps we can put some more effort into that for lucid+1. for now gartoon, human and breathe should provide a reasonable selection
[19:37] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, but I'm not sure you want gartoon for tertiary for example
[19:38] <highvoltage> Lns: indeed
[19:38] <Lns> stgraber: yeah
[19:38] <highvoltage> stgraber: so primary could have gartoon and secondary and tertiary could have breather
[19:38] <highvoltage> *breathe
[19:38] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep
[19:38] <stgraber> and they would still be able to switch if they want one or the other anyway
[19:38] <stgraber> that's just suggested default
[19:39] <Lns> that would be the coolness
[19:39] <highvoltage> yep. I don't think I have anything else
[19:40] <sbalneav> My desk is clear
[19:40] <highvoltage> any other business?
[19:41] <sbalneav> When the heck do I get a free Porche?  I was promised one for joining this outfit?
[19:41]  * highvoltage tasks sbalneav to come up with something amusing to say at the end of every meeting from now on
[19:41] <sbalneav> Beatcha
[19:41] <highvoltage> (obviously- not that I needed to)
[19:41] <stgraber> also on highvoltage's todo (though we can probably give that to someone else if someone wants to) is having edubuntu-dev approved for uploads
[19:42] <stgraber> sbalneav: Was that ogra who promised you that ? ;)
[19:42] <highvoltage> stgraber: ah I should've added that to the agenda, I have some questions about that but I'll ask after I get to the other stuff
[19:42] <Lns> lol
[19:42] <highvoltage> put if someone else beats me that would be awesomeness
[19:42] <sbalneav> stgraber: thought it was you :)
[19:42] <sbalneav> ogra would have promised me his motorbike ;)
[19:43] <highvoltage> porches come to those who wait
[19:43] <stgraber> sbalneav: btw, still planning an Edubuntu hackfest ?
[19:43] <sbalneav> Yeah!  Need to get my *ss in gear on that.
[19:43] <highvoltage> sbalneav: just wait until the ice starts to melt please :)
[19:43] <sbalneav> I'm taking spring break week off to finish the rumpus room out at the cottage.
[19:44] <highvoltage> rumpus room?
[19:44] <sbalneav> rec room?
[19:44] <highvoltage> aah
[19:44] <stgraber> sbalneav: no hurry, highvoltage isn't there yet (though it's getting closer and closer ;))
[19:44] <highvoltage> I think I just learned another canadian word
[19:44] <sbalneav> What do they call the room in the basement where you can watch tv and make noise in SA
[19:45] <highvoltage> sbalneav: we generally don't have basements!
[19:45] <sbalneav> WHAT?!
[19:45] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think I've only ever seen 1 house with a basement
[19:45] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I guess it might be since we don't have tornadoes to hide from :)
[19:45] <sbalneav> Neither do we :)  We just have floods, and you don't want to be in the basement when that happens :)
[19:46] <sbalneav> Yeah, rumpus room, double-double, bear-claws, social, oh, you have many canadianisms to learn.
[19:47] <highvoltage> I watch a show called How I Met Your Mother where there's a Canadian woman and they make lots of fun aboot her
[19:47] <highvoltage> I already learned some Canadianisms there
[19:47] <sbalneav> yeah, americans love making fun of Canadians.
[19:48] <highvoltage> heh, seems like we're about done with the meeting? I'll give it another two minutes and hit the meeting done bong unless something else comes up
[19:48] <stgraber> I also remember some NCIS episode where they say: "It can fly as fast as 400km/h" and the other answers "Sorry, I don't speak Canadian!". These americans ...
[19:48] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yep, and everybody loves to make fun of the americans :)
[19:49] <stgraber> yeah, I guess we are good for that meeting ;)
[19:49] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm sure I saw a clip of that somewhere!
[19:49] <highvoltage> yep we managed to cover everything and talked some smack and we still have 10 minutes to spare
[19:49] <highvoltage> thanks everyone!
[19:49]  * ogra wraps his spare porsche in cellophane and tags a UPS sticker on it .... 
[19:49] <highvoltage> Meeting Ended. *bong*
[19:49] <ogra> where do i have to ship it ?
[19:50] <highvoltage> sbalneav: wow that was easy! hopefully ogra won't charge you shipping costs
[19:50] <ogra> nah, i'll send the bill to revolutionlinux :)
[19:51] <stgraber> ouch ;)