[08:51] www.search2.net [08:52] !ops , pls ban Speedy1 ^ he keeps posting that is several channels [08:52] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [08:52] !ops [08:53] Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, LjL, ompaulafk, Keybuk, mdz, sabdfl, janimo, ogra, mdke, dholbach, or jono [08:53] vish, I told them [08:53] nigel_nb: neato.. :) [08:55] Often it's better to ask in #ubuntu-irc than to call ops for something so general (and it's being sorted) [08:55] Calling ops in a channel is better reserved for flooding or inappropriate behaviour, etc., as it only grabs that specific channel's ops, rather than a wider set. [08:56] persia: oh , -irc didnt know of that channel thanks.. what is the -ops for? or are both same [08:57] vish: As I understand it, "ops" to notify the bot is local-channel emergency, #ubuntu-irc is kinda like IRC support for Ubuntu channels, and #ubuntu-ops is a chat channel for some of the more active ops. [08:57] But not all ops idle on -ops, nor even on -irc. [08:58] persia: err , yeah , just the -ops channel is a bit intimidating to enter , with their no idling policy :) [08:59] -irc is better for 90% of cases. The only times I end up in -ops is when I have questions about being an IRC op, rather than questions for IRC ops. [08:59] * persia is only op in a few channels [09:00] * vish learn't of a new -irc channel today \o/ [09:13] vish: also #ubuntu-irc-helpers [09:15] czajkowski: ooh.. thanks. now isnt that one too many channels for irc ops ;) .. [09:16] vish: I thik the latter is to help and educate. rather handy to be honest [09:18] k.. [09:20] This conversation is off topic though, and *lots* of people idle here. -irc is a better place for the discussion. === ogra_ is now known as ogra [13:01] ok mono uploaded [13:01] oops [13:04] heh [13:09] * elky hands asac an asbestos suit. [13:10] damage is already done ... i am contaminated === fader|away is now known as fader_ [13:57] morning [13:58] * stgraber waves [13:58] * mathiaz waves [13:58] * Daviey joins the mexican wave. [13:59] * persia thought it was more of a french wave [13:59] o/ [13:59] morning US/Eastern [13:59] * stgraber quickly looks at the LXC blueprint. Everything is done !!! [13:59] morning all.. long time no see xD [13:59] * jjohansen waves [14:00] persia: for the record, I'm not french ;) [14:00] *cough* US Jr/Eastern as well [14:00] stgraber: My apologies. [14:00] lets get cracking [14:00] o/ [14:00] stgraber: swiss, french speaking, right? [14:00] nijaba: yup, living in Canada :) [14:00] ah another wannabe [14:01] #startmeeting [14:01] Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is ttx. [14:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [14:01] Agenda ^ [14:02] smoser: around ? [14:02] (date on the meeting is wrong) [14:02] here [14:02] jib is not available so I'll chair this one [14:02] kirkland is scribe, though he is not available right now [14:03] mathiaz is probably on a plane somewhere [14:03] * mathiaz waves [14:03] hah [14:03] Good, so we have quorum :) [14:03] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [14:03] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [14:03] * nijaba hopes mathias does not make the plane wave [14:03] ACTION: ttx to announce papercuts nominations [14:03] done [14:03] ACTION: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement [14:04] will do today [14:04] ACTION: zul to raise php5.3 update on -server and -devel mailinglist, outline which apps are currently not working with 5.3 [14:04] done [14:04] i think the conensus of the community is to move to 5.3 [14:04] zul: is that expected to generate an insane amount of work ? [14:04] which means I have to start cracking ;) [14:05] zul: what the list of packages that will be broken by moving to 5.3? [14:05] ttx: not really, some package s in universe will have to be updated [14:05] + for 5.3 [14:05] mathiaz: none in main, hopefully [14:05] zul: ok, break them first [14:05] [TOPIC] Alpha3 progress review [14:05] New Topic: Alpha3 progress review [14:05] drupal is the big one big one but we already have drupal6 === jamalta-afk is now known as jamalta [14:06] So we'll concentrate on prio 1 specs < 70% completion and prio 2 specs < 50% [14:06] uec-testing (mathiaz), quick update on status ? [14:06] ttx: i plan on testing today's iso [14:06] ttx: I think we're in good shape there [14:07] ttx: most of the remaining items are about doing the tests [14:07] ttx: i'll sync with mathiaz before commencing [14:07] kirkland: glad you could make it [14:07] kirkland, mathiaz: ack [14:07] mysql-5.0 (zul): ETA for mysql-cluster [14:07] ttx: my bip proxy server crashed, OOM errors, kernel panic [14:07] ttx: upload it today hopeflly [14:07] seeds (mathiaz): are we reaching a conclusion on RHCS ? [14:08] seeds (zul): did you forward the ctdb issues to Jelmer ? [14:08] ttx: hmmm [14:08] ttx: not yet [14:08] ttx: I had a short talk with ivoks [14:08] nijaba: what's your position on rhcs in main for lucid? [14:08] [ACTION] zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF [14:08] ACTION received: zul to forward issues about ctbd to jelmer to see if those can be lifted before FF [14:09] [ACTION] zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement [14:09] ACTION received: zul to do another call to action for the apport hooks involvement [14:09] (backlog) [14:09] mth [14:09] mathiaz: my position is simple: we should follow ivok's reco [14:10] and that was the plan, to demote RHCS and include the new cluster stack [14:10] nijaba: if ivoks is maintaining it, it makes sense for it to be in universe ? [14:10] * Daviey wonders if anyone actually uses RHCS anyway [14:11] right - that's more the question - main versus universe [14:11] Daviey: ivoks does [14:11] After having talked with Fabio it seems to be a bad idea to keep all of rhcs in main for lucid [14:11] ttx: that's another discussion, but yes, I am afraid it is the only solution for 10.04 [14:11] my understanding is that it's difficult to have the new cluster stack in main without keeping most of RHCS i main [14:11] and the current cluster stack is still a moving part [14:12] so from an LTS perspective, maintenance for 5 years is also reduced [14:12] ttx: not really [14:12] ttx: most of the binary packages can be moved to universe [14:13] we have to be conscious that we are introducing a gap in our feature coverage, but I don't think it really matters [14:13] mathiaz: ok [14:13] mathiaz: that thread should reach a conclusion soon, then [14:13] Maybe a little more discussion can't hurt [14:13] * mathiaz agrees [14:14] ok, moving on [14:14] daily-vcs (zul): quick update on status ? [14:14] * Daviey would be highly suprised if any enterprise used lucid RHCS in >3 years anyway. So lack of being in main makes little difference. [14:14] ttx: been working on the higher priority specs [14:14] puppet-etckeeper-integration (mathiaz, soren): any progress to report ? [14:14] * nijaba agrees with Daviey [14:14] ttx: no progress though [14:14] Daviey++ [14:15] * RoAkSoAx agrees with Daviey too [14:15] Shhh! We've moved on :) [14:15] ttx: waiting on merging 0.25.4 from debian [14:15] puppet-uec-ec2-integration (mathiaz): not started yet, is it in danger ? [14:15] soren ^is this under way ? [14:15] Oh hai! [14:15] ttx: it's in unstable now [14:16] soren: o/ [14:16] No news, no. [14:16] ttx: ec2-integration: I'm planning to work on that this week [14:16] ttx: I don't see it in danger for alpha3 [14:17] soren: 0.25.4 is in unstable now - it should be merged in lucid [14:17] soren: are you still on track to complete the etckeeper integration item ? [14:17] mathiaz: Cool. I'll do that soon. [14:17] ok [14:17] ttx: I believe so, yes. [14:18] Questions on alpha3 progress ? [14:18] Other things affecting alpha3 that anyone wants to report ? [14:18] Moving on. [14:18] [TOPIC] server-lucid-papercuts : Nomination review [14:18] New Topic: server-lucid-papercuts : Nomination review [14:18] Please see list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bugs [14:19] We'll go through them, quick +1 / +0 / -1 from those that reviewed the list [14:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/24741 [14:19] Ubuntu bug 24741 in samba "Spurious "account_policy_get failed" messages on install" [Wishlist,Triaged] [14:19] +1 [14:20] ttx: -1 on the password feedback one [14:20] just a sec :) [14:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/56679 [14:20] Ubuntu bug 56679 in netcfg "provide a method to use a specified MAC-address as the installation device" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [14:20] debian installer thing... +0 [14:20] ttx: move it to foundations? [14:21] ttx: +0 [14:21] well, its already in their realm, and they don't do papercuts :P [14:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/165184 [14:21] Ubuntu bug 165184 in amavisd-new "amavisd-new + spamassassin: cronjob spams root user" [Medium,Triaged] [14:21] No clear agreed solution, +0 [14:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/194472 [14:22] why not redirect it to /dev/null? [14:22] Ubuntu bug 194472 in sudo "Entering password in Terminal gives no visual feedback" [Unknown,Fix released] [14:22] foundations again [14:22] highly contentious, -1 [14:22] -1 [14:22] -1 [14:22] that is not a papercut :) [14:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/211915 [14:22] Ubuntu bug 211915 in amavisd-new "Insecure dependency when using sql for Log Reporting" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:22] doc bug, +0 [14:22] +0 [14:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/229732 [14:23] Ubuntu bug 229732 in initramfs-tools "USB Keyboard drivers not loaded in initramfs" [Undecided,In progress] [14:23] Not really server, +0 [14:23] -1 [14:23] ttx: definitely not really server [14:23] -1 [14:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/263442 [14:23] Ubuntu bug 263442 in mc "mcedit is not longer the default editor" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:23] +1 [14:23] more foundationsy [14:24] +0 [14:24] ttx: yeah, +1, that could/should be fixed [14:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/289087 [14:24] Ubuntu bug 289087 in linux "Missing linux-image-debug packages and metapackages since Intrepid" [High,Triaged] [14:24] -1 [14:24] -1: kernel [14:24] no easy solution : -1 [14:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/392377 [14:24] Ubuntu bug 392377 in debootstrap "building vm image on text console causes gettys to stop respawning" [Undecided,New] [14:25] not sure anything left todo, +0 [14:25] ttx: where are the critiria for acceptance? [14:25] in the spec [14:25] That should be fixed now. [14:25] -0 [14:25] easy solution, server package, < 2h work [14:25] -1 based on soren's feedback [14:25] Oh, wait. [14:25] No, it's not. [14:25] +1 then ;) [14:25] It's fixed in debootstrap, not in vm-builder. [14:25] soren: exactly [14:25] ubottu confused me by only mentioning debootstrap :) [14:25] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:25] okay, yeah +1 then [14:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/393888 [14:26] Ubuntu bug 393888 in ruby1.9 "Ruby 1.9.0 curses Alt-key handling broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:26] I'm expecting to fix that this week. [14:26] +1, if its really just a missing builddep [14:26] -µ1 if it required bump, since papercuts needs to be bugfixes, not something affected by FF [14:26] ttx: yeah, +1 if only builddep [14:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/406466 [14:26] Ubuntu bug 406466 in linux "2.6.31 - Can't see files in CIFS-mounted directories" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:26] -1 [14:26] -1 / kernel issue, not even a bug methink [14:27] -1 : kernel issue [14:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/428814 [14:27] +1 [14:27] Ubuntu bug 428814 in amavisd-new "Removal of the package does not remove the cron.daily script" [Low,Triaged] [14:27] +1 [14:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/458203 [14:27] Ubuntu bug 458203 in eucalyptus "euca_conf is missing command-line completion" [Wishlist,Triaged] [14:27] +1 [14:27] +1 [14:27] +0 [14:27] ttx: that's mostly fixed [14:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/460398 [14:27] ttx: in my last merge [14:27] Ubuntu bug 460398 in vm-builder "/etc/timezone is not set correctly" [Medium,Triaged] [14:27] +1 [14:27] +1 [14:27] kirkland: cool :) [14:27] +1 [14:27] +1 [14:27] command line completion is mostly fixed, kirkland ? [14:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/480460 [14:27] Ubuntu bug 480460 in mcelog "mcelog: warning: record length longer than expected. Consider update." [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:28] +1 [14:28] +1 [14:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/495505 [14:28] Ubuntu bug 495505 in tomcat6 "server.number reports 6.0.0.0 not 6.0.X.0" [Medium,Triaged] [14:28] +1 [14:28] +0 [14:29] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/496554 [14:29] Ubuntu bug 496554 in installation-guide "Obsolete info in "Automatic Installation" section" [Undecided,New] [14:29] +1 (?) [14:29] taht sounds like a rather outdated doc [14:30] if its completely rotten, might make sense to remove it rather than try to fix it [14:30] +1 [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508606 [14:30] Ubuntu bug 508606 in command-not-found "Recommend tracepath for "traceroute" and "tracert"" [Undecided,New] [14:30] +1 [14:30] +1 [14:30] A few other ones have been added recently, we'll review them next week [14:31] cool, my nominations went through :-) [14:31] I'll update the status of the bugs accordingly [14:31] shattered: yay ! [14:31] not the usb keyboard one, though [14:31] I propose that we discuss bugfixing goals next week, when we have a better idea of how many bugs we are looking at [14:32] Gives a last chance for people to nominate their stuff :) [14:32] * nijaba propose not to discard doc bug, and make sure sommer knows about them [14:32] he is assigned to it, iirc [14:33] nijaba: agreed [14:33] debian install document has the same bug [14:33] if you're talking about 496554 [14:33] I'll decline the -n, accept the +n, keep the +0 around [14:33] moving on... [14:33] unless there are any questions? [14:34] [TOPIC] server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul) [14:34] New Topic: server-lucid-apport-hooks update (zul) [14:34] all prior 1 are done except for openssh its pending a review with cjwatson [14:35] zul: it is? I don't have mail about it [14:35] nor do I see a branch on LP [14:35] cjwatson: hold on lemme pull it up [14:35] zul: Did you get any community feedback on the prio2 ones ? [14:36] ttx: no :( [14:36] sorry if I missed it on IRC, but IRC is kind of unreliable [14:36] Hopefully you'll get some -- after the email you're going to send about it :) [14:36] cjwatson: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ubuntu/lucid/openssh/openssh-apport-hook [14:36] ttx: heh [14:36] ah, now I see it, I was looking for upstream branches, sorry [14:36] I wonder why I didn't get a mail [14:36] cjwatson: no probs [14:37] anyway, thanks, I'll review that now [14:37] As a general reminder, apport hooks are easy, and a great way of contributing your first patches/branches to Ubuntu :) [14:37] and I dont bite [14:37] especailly with a core-dev standing by to sponsor your work :)= [14:37] i might be able to help if the time allows me to do so :) [14:37] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) [14:37] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) [14:38] soren: howdy [14:39] soren: if nothing else, when is new guy starting ? [14:39] looks like we lost soren, we'll skip to... [14:39] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:39] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [14:39] jjohansen: howdy ? [14:39] new guy starts: 15th (which is a US holiday) so 16th [14:40] arh [14:40] new EC2 kernel is checked in [14:40] smoser: thx [14:40] and booted in daily build output too! [14:40] has the latest updates, and updated configs [14:40] sweet [14:40] smoser/jjohansen: so krd is complete now ? [14:40] yes [14:40] \o/ [14:40] modulo any bugs [14:40] also Bug #519448 [14:40] ttx, definitely complete for ec2. and no ramdisks are published right now for uec. [14:40] Launchpad bug 519448 in linux "No XEN domU support in 32bit virtual flavour" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519448 [14:40] feature-complete, I should say [14:41] has been fixed for next proposed karmic [14:41] so we'll see for uec soon enough. [14:41] and those changes are being rolled into lucid as well [14:41] I think that is it [14:42] jjohansen: also I blamed kernel for recent lucid random freezes, and it was plymouth fault. [14:42] best bet is to always blame the kernel [14:42] * ttx beats himself with a big stick [14:42] heh, well I blamed the kernel too, at first [14:42] plymouth on server shocker. [14:42] soren: are you back ? [14:43] Sorry, yes. [14:43] Any other question for John ? [14:43] I'm on my new laptop, and my IRC-notification thing seems to be malfunctioning. Sorry about that. [14:43] * soren catches up [14:43] ok, back to the future: [14:43] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) [14:43] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (soren) [14:43] Ah. [14:43] Um.. [14:44] I don't actually know when he'll be starting. I /think/ it's next week. [14:44] smoser answered that one [14:44] Feb 16th [14:44] Other than that, I've handed over my automatic ISO testing stuff to the QA team. It'll be running in the DC soon. [14:44] i'm 98% certain on that. that is what marjo told me. [14:44] smoser: That's probably true, then :) [14:44] he should know :) [14:44] I think that's all I have. [14:44] heh he/she is going to be very very busy [14:45] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [14:45] New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [14:45] * mathiaz pulls out the lists [14:45] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:45] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html [14:45] anything SRU worth ^^? [14:46] i think bug 503180 [14:46] Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests (eucalyptus doesn't work after reboot or services restart issues due to upstart networking behavior)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180 [14:46] kirkland: you planned a SRU /if/ the fix inlucid can also be applied to karmic, right ? [14:46] bug 343870 [14:46] Launchpad bug 343870 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "php-cli segmentation fault with mysql extension" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/343870 === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:46] ttx: it should be a 2-liner [14:46] ttx: i can prep the upload, and put it in a PPA [14:47] ttx: if i could get some people to test it [14:47] ttx: my rig is all Lucid [14:47] ttx: i won't have much cycles to work on Karmic [14:47] Daviey: already nominated/accepted [14:47] oops [14:47] kirkland: sounds like a plan. [14:47] kirkland: ping me when you want to test, I have a setup ready for it [14:47] ttx: action me to put an upload in a karmic ppa for testing [14:47] kirkland: also TeTeT could help [14:48] ttx: as soon as 1 person verifies the ppa, i'll push to proposed [14:48] [ACTION] kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA [14:48] ACTION received: kirkland to propose a karmic fix for bug 503180 in PPA [14:48] Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests (eucalyptus doesn't work after reboot or services restart issues due to upstart networking behavior)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180 [14:48] ttx: or i can just push to propose, if you recommend [14:48] i just like to point out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/SRUTracker (its still a work in progress) [14:49] we have no idea if the DB deadlock in karmic will be fully fixed by that... so I prefer PPA [14:49] ttx: ack [14:49] mathiaz: that's all from me [14:49] great [14:50] anything else? [14:50] zul: cool [14:50] there is one bug nominated for jaunty|karmic: bug 364581 [14:50] Launchpad bug 364581 in mod-auth-mysql "Crash when logging in" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/364581 [14:50] +1 [14:51] "Low" being slightly underestimated [14:51] ok - accepting then [14:51] shouldnt bugs be undecided before triaging them? [14:51] zul: no [14:52] that's all for the SRU review [14:52] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [14:52] New Topic: Open Discussion [14:52] Note that we no longer do a canonical-server-rteam bug review, as it brought little value to the contents of the meeting [14:53] (\o/) [14:53] any blocking bug should be brought up in Open Discussion [14:53] (not just canonical's team ones) [14:53] ooo, tftpd.. [14:54] is that being resolved stgraber ? [14:54] If we have some free time, lets see new papercuts nominations :) [14:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/508382 [14:54] Ubuntu bug 508382 in bacula "bconsole does not connect to bacula-director" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:54] tftpd-hpa in lucid sucks [14:55] kirkland: it's always had some degree of suckness.. but now moreso. [14:55] I'm still not sure about what to do here but I'm very tempted to restore the old behavior [14:55] stgraber: or downgrade? [14:55] I'd say +1 on the bconsole bug thing [14:56] stgraber: at the very least, please restore old behavior [14:56] though LDFLAGS=" " is almost certainly not the right way to fix it [14:56] ideally I'd just revert to what we had in Karmic but it's not exactly easy to do if we want to be able to sync with Debian in the future [14:56] (as in, reverting to the old version completely) [14:57] stgraber: it wouldn't be a huge delta for us to carry, would it? [14:57] to diverge and carry. [14:57] so easiest is probably to tweak it so it works as before (inetd + /var/lib/tftpboot + no debconf) [14:57] stgraber: I'd revert to old behavior... and try to convince the debian maintainer of the value of the old system [14:57] Daviey: I don't think so no [14:57] be it only for upgrade scenarios [14:57] I suppose debian server users also upgrade [14:58] stgraber: reverting to old version won't help in the long run [14:58] ttx: let's solve this in #ubuntu-server [14:58] sure [14:59] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time [14:59] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time [14:59] That will be again same place same time, for at least one more week [14:59] ttx: one hour later, please [14:59]