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[reed]http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/02/09/is-canonical-becoming-the-new-microsoft/00:02
[reed]"Next comes dumping GIMP, OOo and other much-loved applications from the default installation of versions of the forthcoming distribution."00:02
[reed]really?00:02
[reed]I hadn't heard that00:02
micahg[reed]: gimp won't be on teh regular cd and OOo won't be on the netbook CD from what I heard00:02
micahgbut both are installable00:03
[reed]interesting00:03
micahg[reed]: it's a matter of space for gimp and usage for netbooks00:03
asac[reed]: i am not really sure for UNE in general, but for arm we try to create a more lightweight image of une00:08
asacso we drop ooo for sure00:08
asacand try to come up with some weboffice integration by default00:08
[reed]sure00:08
asacyou can still install everything00:08
asaci think the idea for UNE in general came late and was born by what we do on arm somewhat00:08
asaci will have a call on that tomorow with the stakeholders00:09
asacfta: why did we go to 5.x for chromium?00:25
asacwas there ever a stable 4 release?00:25
asacoh it failed everywhere00:26
mbanaim following the emails asac.  so a fix isn't coming soon i take it00:35
micahgmbana: meeting on Thursday to discuss goals00:36
LLStarksasac, the font hinting bug you referenced is probably irrelevant.01:43
LLStarksthis is 3.6 we are talking about01:43
LLStarks3.6 in the repos. 3.6 in the umd.01:43
LLStarksno cairo hinting whatsoever01:44
LLStarks*subpixel hinting01:45
LLStarksbug 51261501:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 512615 in firefox "fonts are incorrectly rendered due to not using system cairo" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51261501:45
LLStarksthat's the one i'm talking about01:46
micahgasac: did you upload ff to lucid yet?01:52
micahgasac: if not, I have one more fix01:53
micahgLLStarks: meeting on Thursday01:56
LLStarksis that an invitation or statement?01:56
micahgLLStarks: both01:56
LLStarkstime and topics of discussion?01:56
micahgLLStarks: 1600 UTC, goals of mozilla team for lucid cycle01:57
LLStarksi should be able to attend.01:59
=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | Mailing List: ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com | to get firefox 3.6 run: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable" - then use update-manager to update your system | whats up with firefox + search + lucid: 1. search page will respect your search provider choice; 2. default will be Yahoo! - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-de
=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | Mailing List: ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com | to get firefox 3.6 run: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable" - then use update-manager to update your system | whats up with firefox + search + lucid: 1. search page will respect your search provider choice; 2. default will be Yahoo! - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-de
LLStarksmicahg, what will keyword default to?02:02
micahgLLStarks: ?02:02
LLStarkskeyword.URL02:02
micahgLLStarks: idk, my guess is yahoo02:02
LLStarksboth search and addressbar will not overwrite during upgrades, right?02:03
LLStarksthat is, google stays google from karmi to lucid.02:03
micahgLLStarks: if they're default, it will change to yahoo02:03
LLStarkswait. what.02:03
LLStarkswhy wouldn't it respect pre-existing user settings?02:04
=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | Mailing List: ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com | to get firefox 3.6 run: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable" - then use update-manager to update your system | whats up with firefox + search + lucid: 1. search page will respect your search provider choice; 2. default will be Yahoo! - http://is.gd/83e8U | Meeting Feb 11 2010 UT
=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | ML: ubuntu-mozillateam@lists.ubuntu.com | to get firefox 3.6 run: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable" - then use update-manager to update your system | whats up with firefox + search + lucid: 1. search page will respect your search provider choice; 2. default will be Yahoo! - http://is.gd/83e8U | Meeting Feb 11 2010 UTC 16:00 #u
* micahg gives up on the topic02:10
micahgLLStarks: default will stay default02:10
micahgdefault now is google default in Lucid will be yahoo!02:10
LLStarksif you are going to overwrite that default and ignore user settings, we are getting to get hell for it unless there is a meaningful way to change the keyword.URL without forcing about:config02:12
micahgLLStarks: no, not ignore user settings02:12
micahgjust modify the default02:12
=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | ML: http://is.gd/83fnr | to get firefox 3.6 run: "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable" - then use update-manager to update your system | whats up with firefox + search + lucid: 1. search page will respect your search provider choice; 2. default will be Yahoo! - http://is.gd/83e8U | Meeting: Feb 11 2010 UTC 16:00 #ubuntu-meeting
LLStarksbut let's say i'm a new ubuntu user and i ****ing hate yahoo.02:14
micahgLLStarks: if you choose wikipedia as your default, it will stay02:14
LLStarksi  can change the drop-down search engine default02:14
micahgLLStarks: if you didn't change from google, it will become yahoo02:14
LLStarksbut that doesn't change the keyword.url02:14
micahgLLStarks: you can change it right back to google02:14
micahgLLStarks: the awesomebar will use whatever you select as your search engine on teh right02:15
LLStarksif i choose google, and i'm a new user, my keyword.url is still yahoo.02:15
micahgLLStarks: no02:15
LLStarksright now, it doesn't do that.02:15
LLStarksi'm using 3.6 umd right now.02:15
LLStarksa query into the awesomebar will use google if i select yahoo as my default search engine02:16
micahgLLStarks: yes, I think we're changing that forl ucid02:16
LLStarksis it on launchpad? if not, i'll file it.02:16
micahgLLStarks: better to discuss it at the meeting on thursday02:17
micahgasac: karmic and jaunty xul191 and ff35 are ready, but I didn't pull in PIE from xul191.head05:11
* micahg also realized that we'll have to release 1.9.1.8 to lucid as well because of the apps that are using xulrunner...05:12
BUGabundo_remote{quick} morning09:35
asachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list14:31
=== asac_ is now known as asac
asacccheney: whats the status on libsoup?15:46
asacArneGoetje: did you get my mail with the perl expression to fix the devmode stuff?15:51
ArneGoetjeasac: yes, but I didn't have the time yet to look at it. I found another problem in the meantime. The install.rdf file which gets generated in firefox-3.6 for Lucid, has the wrong version numbers. It refers to firefox-3.0 instead of firefox-3.6. That's why all firefox translations in Lucid are currently broken.15:53
micahgI saw something like that in one of the packages15:53
micahgasac: did you do the upload yet15:53
micahgI can fix it15:53
ArneGoetjealso the minVersion field has 3.0 as value and the maxVersion is 3.6. I guess it should be 3.6 and 3.6.* respectively.15:54
micahgArneGoetje: yep15:55
ArneGoetjeI can hack this into the en-US.xpi on langpack-o-matic for Lucid and rebuild the latest langpacks. Then we don't need to wait for the next full export from rosetta.15:58
micahgArneGoetje: I fixed the rules file, I just need to know from asac if I need to bump the changelog16:02
ArneGoetjemicahg: ok, thanks16:02
ccheneyasac: almost done with i think, haven't had it put up any more large sets of unknown symbols recently16:03
micahgArneGoetje: I have it pulling whatever the current FF version is for the minimum and 3.6.* for the max16:03
ArneGoetjemicahg: ok16:04
ArneGoetjemicahg: the @firefox-3.0 has also been corrected?16:06
micahgArneGoetje: what do you mean?16:07
ArneGoetjemicahg: the language identifier string is langpack-en-US@firefox-3.0.ubuntu.com . This needs to be corrected to be firefox-3.6, otherwise the translations are not found.16:08
micahgah16:09
micahglet me make sure16:09
ArneGoetjemicahg: is that string supposed to be the template name in rosetta?16:09
micahgyes16:09
micahgI think so16:09
* micahg is checking the version file16:10
micahgArneGoetje: is that pulled from the EM_TRANSLATION_VERSION variable?16:11
ArneGoetjemicahg: I don't know16:12
asacccheney: cool16:14
asacmicahg: should be ... yes.16:14
asacits sed'ed in the rules file16:14
asaccheck that16:15
micahgasac: http://pastebin.com/f2135de16:15
ArneGoetjeasac: no, it's hardcoded in debian/translation-support/install.rdf.in16:15
micahgArneGoetje: no, we create that :)16:15
micahgoh16:16
micahgmaybe not :(16:16
* micahg needs to slow down16:16
asacok going for lunch16:16
asacout for a bit16:16
micahgasac: wait16:16
micahgdid you do the upload, or can I add thisw fix16:16
ccheneyasac: i think libsoup might be done today besides the part needing integration directly into glib16:17
ccheneyi only have a few more macro expansion copies to do, each are quite a few functions16:17
micahgArneGoetje: you are correct, hardcoded :)16:18
micahgI think I'll fix that...16:18
ArneGoetjemicahg: wait... let me check something16:19
ArneGoetjemicahg: yes, it's the template name in rosetta... which gives us a little problem now. We need to make a decision here...16:25
micahgoh, so there's a different template for 3.0 and 316:26
micahg3.5?16:26
ArneGoetjemicahg: the template for 3.6 is supposed to be the final template for all further firefox versions, right?16:26
ArneGoetjemicahg: yes, that's part of the problem.16:26
micahgArneGoetje: well, what does the template say?16:27
ArneGoetjemicahg: we have the template 'firefox' for 3.0, 'firefox-3.5' for 3.5 and now 'firefox-3.6' for 3.6. I planned to rename it to 'firefox' once we have 3.6 in all releases and obsolete older versions...16:29
micahgah, well, yes, it will be called firefox from now on in releases, but asac should have final say16:29
ArneGoetjemicahg: ok, so it should be 'firefox' for all further releases16:30
micahgyes, at least for the stable version16:30
micahgArneGoetje: do I still need to make it be firefox-3.6 in the install.rdf?16:30
ArneGoetjemicahg: that means, for now we need to hardcode firefox-3.6 in the install.rdf, because that's the current name of the template in rosetta (and that one is used in po2xpi to determine the installation path). ONce we rename the template to 'firefox' the install.rdf and po2xpi need to be fixed accordingly.16:31
* BUGabundo_remote is in a passive aggressive mood16:33
BUGabundo_remote>On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 16:28, Wayne Mery (vn) <vseerror@lehigh.edu> wrote:16:33
BUGabundo_remote>BUGabundo do you still plan to create a followup bug?16:33
BUGabundo_remote>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49023416:33
BUGabundo_remoteNa...16:33
BUGabundo_remoteI'll just not user TB....16:33
BUGabundo_remoteKMail suits me well enough.16:33
BUGabundo_remoteIf an email client (even if in alpha) can accept accounts, it isnt very usefull for my test abilities.16:33
BUGabundo_remoteKeep up the hard work16:33
ubottuMozilla bug 490234 in Account Manager "[autoconfig] New Quick Account doesn't support Google Apps" [Normal,New]16:33
micahgArneGoetje: so maybe I'll leave it hardcoded then16:39
ArneGoetjemicahg: yes, but change it to 'firefox-3.6' for now.16:39
micahgArneGoetje: k16:39
ArneGoetjemicahg: when we rename the template in rosetta, we need to change this string accordingly.16:40
micahgArneGoetje: just ping me when you do and I'll make the change16:40
ArneGoetjemicahg: will do, thanks :)16:41
ArneGoetjemicahg: do we remove the branding from the en-US.xpi?17:03
micahgArneGoetje: idk17:03
ArneGoetjemicahg: who does know?17:06
micahgArneGoetje: asac17:17
micahgI'll be back in about an hour17:20
shanghi all, if I don't want to save any of my password in FF3.0, is there an entry in about:config (pref.js) that I can set??17:21
asacArneGoetje: i dont think we remove that ... why?17:22
ArneGoetjeasac: because it's missing17:23
asacsince 3.6?17:23
asacor before as well?17:23
asacin the end the branding isnt really translatable ... does it break completely?17:23
ArneGoetjeasac: there are references in other .dtd files which source branding/locale/brand.dtd ... I need to check further...17:24
asacyes17:25
asacbut that should fall back to the en-US brand.dtd17:25
asacusually if a complete file is missing its not a problem17:25
ArneGoetjeasac: ok, just want to make sure if it's a problem at all17:26
asaci dont think its a problem17:29
asacArneGoetje: you can check by opening about -> help17:29
asacetc.17:29
asacthats where you can branding strings17:29
asacif its completly broken the dialog should be dead17:29
asacalso having the Mozilla Firefox in the title of each window is a good indication that all is fine17:29
ArneGoetjeasac: ok, looks fine17:30
ArneGoetjeasac: your perl snippet also works. Now need to find a way to put this into po2xpi17:36
asacyeah ;)17:37
ArneGoetjeasac: for entityline in `grep ENTITY.*%.*SYSTEM $dtdfile`; do <- shouldn't this grep for any SYSTEM .dtd and not only for the current filename?17:50
ArneGoetjeasac: oh sorry... I', too tired. ;)17:51
ArneGoetjeI'm17:51
asacArneGoetje: i think ... the idea was to preprocess the full .dtd with that perl thing17:52
asacthat would (iirc) merge all multiline entities into one line17:52
asacmaybe try that and see if anything gets lost17:52
asace.g. especially things like %blabla;17:52
ArneGoetjeasac: the perl snippet only searches for SYSTEM lines17:53
ArneGoetjeasac: I think only relace that grep statement with the perl snippet... will try that17:53
asacArneGoetje: right. that might be it17:54
asacgood17:54
ArneGoetjeasac: ok, I will build new Lucid langpacks over night and see if the changes have solved the issue18:01
micahgasac: am I ok to fix ff translation version before upload?18:36
asacmicahg: sure ... i havent uploaded yet ;)18:40
micahgasac: k18:41
micahgasac: I'm hardcoding the template name since there will only be one more change to it18:42
micahgasac: pushed18:44
micahgoops, I did the translation version and template change in the same commit18:44
ftahttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/07/heineken-bot-does-what-it-says-on-the-keg-soon-to-be-mans-new/19:19
asacmicahg: thats ok if its in the commit message19:29
micahgasac: yep20:29
micahgasac: I goofed the changelog, do I still have time to fix (wrote debian rules instead of debian/rules)20:34
asacmicahg: sure20:50
asaci wont upload until i have finished dinner ;)20:50
* micahg wonders how many times I can uncommit and commit the same release tag ;)20:51
BUGabundoevening21:19
ftaasac, sent chromium from the last dev channel to lucid21:34
BUGabundofta: at least is better then last night :\21:36
ftaBUGabundo, ?21:36
BUGabundoyesterday it would explode and close it self21:37
ftathe dev channel? or trunk?21:37
BUGabundotrunk21:41
asacfta: wondered if there was a beta release in between (because they bumped to 5.*)?22:56
ftaasac, nope, the beta version is lower than the 1st version we uploaded23:24
asacright23:39
asacjust wondered based on what the major version was bumped23:39
ArneGoetjeasac: \o/ current FF translations for Lucid look good!!! :)23:40
micahgwe didn't respin yet, did we?23:40
ArneGoetjemicahg: I'm uploading the new langpacks now23:41
micahgArneGoetje: yeah, but the ff version with the fixes wasn't uploaded, does that matter?23:41
asacArneGoetje: very good. i will merge your branch soon too ;)23:41
asacsorry for the delay23:41
ArneGoetjemicahg: no, it doesn't, I fixed the same issues locally23:42
ArneGoetjemicahg: that is, for the latest full-export for Lucid23:42
ArneGoetjeasac: ok, I will commit the perl snippet change to my branch23:42
ArneGoetjeasac: it indeed fixes the problem23:43
asacyeah thats good i guess23:43
asacnice23:43
asacnext thing we need to tackle is inclusion of searchplugins in langpack production ;)23:43
micahgasac: ?23:43
asacwe want to ship localized searchplugins23:43
micahgoh, localized23:43
asaclike what you get with upstream localized builds23:44
asacjust that we do that in a multi-lang build (which doesnt work upstream)23:44
asacwell it would work i guess ;) ... its just that they have no form to distribute those in an .pxi23:44
micahgasac: can we create a package like tb-locales and generate them?23:44
asacArneGoetje: so the idea is that we add a for the common_xpi/firefox*/LANGCODE/searchplugins directory23:45
asacand then just ship that as /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/LANGCODE/23:45
asacmicahg: we use langpack-o-matic for firefox23:45
ArneGoetjeasac: that one doesn't get exposed to rosetta, right?23:46
ftaasac, because 4.* was released as stable for windows23:46
asacArneGoetje: no. its just on rookery (or howver its called)23:46
asacfta: :(23:46
asacok23:46
ArneGoetjeasac: ok... static23:46
asacArneGoetje: so we inject it to the lang tarballs23:46
ArneGoetjeasac: ok, shouldn't be a big deal23:46
asacnot sure which scripts would be the bet place to do that23:46
asacbut I have the feeling that should be an easy pick ;)23:47
asacArneGoetje: oh ... and we need that by monday ;)23:47
* ccheney many hundreds of lines later still not done with libsoup2.4 (!#$!*23:47
ArneGoetjeasac: !!!23:48
asacArneGoetje: so we can push that up for a3 still23:48
* ccheney is at 6K lines now23:48
asacaslong as it gets better ;)23:48
* micahg needs to make sure xul192 gets into a323:49
micahgwait, that'll be in universe, so no matter23:49
asacits not on CD so its really bound by a freeze23:49
asacyes.23:49
asacbut having that as a milestone target makes sense anyway23:49
ccheney176K+ of source, yuck23:49
ArneGoetjeasac: if I am supposed to hack that into po2xpi, can you please give me a work item? I'm already behind schedule with my language-selector work... :(23:58

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