[05:17] <jodie_> I not getting all of my files & folders uploaded. Any suggestions on what I can do?
[06:31] <jodie> any one around?
[08:10] <duanedesign> morning rye
[08:10] <rye> duanedesign, good mornings :)
[08:11] <duanedesign> rye: did they end up using your code for the zeitgeist logger?
[08:13] <rye> duanedesign, frankly speaking, i dont know. We have agreed upon the license and that was the last time I heard from them.
[08:13] <duanedesign> rye: ahh. I just was going over some logs on saome lists and saw the discussion about the telepathy observer
[08:14] <duanedesign> rye: either way good work
[08:15] <rye> duanedesign, nope, this does not work properly with muc, only p2p sessions, so nope, not a good work. can be done better
[08:15] <duanedesign> :
[08:16] <duanedesign> heh, that is a good trait to have, always looking to improve
[08:18] <rye> duanedesign, thanks, yes, a good trait until this causes the code to be trashed and started all over. It is not clear at this point whether rewrite is going to be actually finished.
[08:18] <rye> so i decided to output the code before I want to trash it :)
[08:32] <duanedesign> definetly. I have a couple of projects that I decided to go a different direction, so i will always save the original. Just in case the new direction is a dead end.
[08:35] <duanedesign> rye: i am working on a web interface for the Ubuntuone-client bug graphs. I hope to have that done today
[08:35] <duanedesign> i have a ton of graphs being plotted:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/complete-graphs/ubuntuone-client/plots/
[08:36] <duanedesign> i havent set the script to execute on the hour yet do those stats dont include the bug jam yesterday
[08:39] <rye> duanedesign, bug jam... right, i am still reading the bug reports for yesterday :)
[08:40] <duanedesign> rye: i noticed a lot of the 'low hanging fruit' has been taken care of. The ones left seem to require a bit more detective work
[08:40] <duanedesign> rye: did you ever make sense of the gedit/modification date issue
[08:40] <rye> duanedesign, yup
[08:41] <rye> duanedesign, nautilus plugin :)
[08:41] <rye> duanedesign, the only thing that nautilus plugin does since the karmic release is utime() the file that is being uploaded :)
[08:43] <rye> duanedesign, and nautilus does not need to be in this directory, dbus signal arrives, plugin handles it, utimes() the file (in order to refresh the emblem) and here's how we get updated versions of files
[08:45] <duanedesign> heh
[08:46] <rye> hm, bug 519569
[08:47] <rye> it is not fixed in stable releases...
[08:47] <rye> it is actually bug 498444
[08:54] <duanedesign> rye: what was it you were working on yesterday that had to do with a lot of metadata
[08:56] <duanedesign> oh yeah clicking the applet causing crash. But that was something to do with shares too
[14:28] <mattgriffin> leifal: hi leif
[14:54] <rye> who knows a trustworthy file upload service?
[14:54]  * rye wants the client to test upload on other service, not UbuntuOne to see what's wrong
[15:03] <CardinalFang> imgur?  anon ftp to some big site?
[15:04] <rodrigo_> standup?
[15:05] <vds> rodrigo_: yup, should have been started already...
[15:05] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:06] <rodrigo_> MEETING BEGINS/STARTS then
[15:06] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:06] <rodrigo_> me
[15:07] <vds> me
[15:08] <vds> beuno CardinalFang Chipaca jblount teknico urbanape, ready for the meeting?
[15:08] <CardinalFang> me
[15:09] <teknico> me
[15:10] <jblount> me
[15:11] <rodrigo_> isn't rye supposed also to be on this standup?
[15:12] <rye> rodrigo_, i can only say: DONE: bug triaging and investigation, TODO: more bug triaging and investigation, BLOCK: none
[15:12] <rodrigo_> :)
[15:12] <teknico> rye, ehi, don't jump the queue! ;-P
[15:13] <rye> me
[15:13] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll start then?
[15:13] <teknico> rye, and you're ops+ anyway, aren't you?
[15:13] <teknico> (the old "us and them" dynamic at play ;-) )
[15:13] <rye> teknico, right...
[15:14] <rye> not me
[15:16] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll start
[15:17] <rodrigo_> • DONE: On-call review. Force dependency on openssl on libu1. Made music store widget use relative URLs. Several tweaks on contacts picker widget. Attended statik's packaging talk. Move contacts picker to u1-client. GNOME upstream releases. geoip detection on music store. Added new API to couchdb-glib for missing CouchDB REST API features. Bug day. API docs for couchdb-glib. Contacts picker tweaks
[15:17] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Add jslint tests to check. Remove autosave code in notes web editor. U1 client interrogates library page to update download progress.
[15:17] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:17] <CardinalFang> lucid ate my keyboard!  one minute.
[15:17] <rodrigo_> next: vds
[15:17] <vds> DONE: sprinting! :) proposed branch to remove verification sms #519740. On the way to propose a branch to remove unused skip decorator #519876.
[15:17] <vds> TODO: more sprinting! :)
[15:17] <vds> BLOCKED: no
[15:17] <vds> CardinalFang: go go go
[15:17] <CardinalFang> skip me.
[15:17] <teknico> ok
[15:17] <teknico> DONE: discussed with Funambol support some issues around minimizing the phone setup web ui, and supporting multiple devices; landed a branch to fix phone sync from outside localhost (#517506); proposed a branch to disable autoprovisioning in the DS server (#519246 ); reviewed a branch to remove the old phone setup web ui (#519740)
[15:17] <teknico> TODO: more reviews; redoing a minimal phone setup web ui; more phone sync minisprint at vds'
[15:17] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:17] <teknico> next: jblount
[15:18] <jblount> DONE: Got lucid environment kinks ironed out, worked on bugs
[15:18] <jblount> TODO: Try to knock out some bugs before web team gets focused on new project next week
[15:18] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:18] <dobey> me
[15:19] <jblount> dobey: You :) (I'm not sure who's next)
[15:19] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Platform Sprint, Prefs app rename, App icon redux, ChangeUp hacking on plane, Bug Day
[15:19] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Expenses, ChangeUp release, Pkg branch reorg, Me menu integration, Initial control panel tabs
[15:19] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:20] <CardinalFang> DONE: triaged bug reports. reviewed patches.
[15:20] <CardinalFang> TODO: think about severity of d-c get_port-avoiding-dbus bug.  Perhaps package d-c for upload.
[15:20] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:24] <mandel> are you guys  done? can i interrupt?
[15:25] <rodrigo_> mandel, done I think
[15:25] <mandel> rodrigo_ cheers
[15:26] <mandel> CardinalFang, mind taking a look at this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/desktopcouch/fix_bug_519873/+merge/19018
[15:26] <CardinalFang> sure!
[15:27] <mandel> CardinalFang, thx :D
[15:29] <urbanape> oh, ho. Did we cut back to just wednesdays? No meetings yesterday or Monday.
[15:29] <urbanape> DONE: Got caught up, upgraded to Lucid, wrestled with packaging to get Bindwood 1.0(!) into at least the PPA, and hopefully into lucid.
[15:29] <urbanape> TODO: Finish packaging, start in on the funambol stuff for the web ui.
[15:29] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:30] <CardinalFang> Oh yeah, missing from my to-do list for today;  un-break my lucid update.
[15:30] <rodrigo_> urbanape, yeah, several days without standup
[15:31] <beuno> DONE: Fixed the bug I introduced on the file UI, landed a few fixed so files don't generally wrap in 2 rows, made a lot of CSS fixes
[15:31] <beuno> TODO: Finish my CSS branch and mattgriffin's, and land it
[15:31] <beuno> BLOCKED: Just on officially moving teams  :)
[15:31] <mattgriffin> +1 :)
[15:31] <beuno> should be solved by Monday
[15:36] <beuno> vds, so is standup 15 UTC every day?
[15:36] <vds> beuno: yup
[15:36] <vds> beuno: there is an event in the calendar already
[15:36] <beuno> vds, cool, I will add it to mine
[15:43] <rye> grrr, isp which routes ipv4 traffic is down...
[15:44] <rye> no, its lp hick-up :)
[15:45] <CardinalFang> mandel, still working on it.  You need some tests for .pop() and .pop(N)  Also remove and pop from empty lists.
[15:52] <mandel> CardinalFang, ups, I'll add them right away
[15:56] <mandel> CardinalFang, question, since MergeableList cannot be empty, do I have to test the method for those cases??
[15:57] <jblount> urbanape: Do you use Simplenote ?
[15:58] <rye> ok, 2 desktopcouch questions: 1) http://paste.ubuntu.com/373302/ is happening on lucid lynx now, 2) should desktopcouch-stop also shut down desktopcouch-service ?
[16:01] <CardinalFang> mandel, if it can't be empty and you're adding a way to make it empty, we should test *something*.
[16:03] <mandel> CardinalFang, mmm I  forgot to think about that case, I should ensure that the same exception that is raised when we arr creating an empty list is raised when we try to remove the last element and write a test to ensure that happens
[16:11] <mandel> rye, CUCH_EXEC_COMMAND ?? afaik it should be COUCH_EXE
[16:12] <mandel> rye, I mistyped the command in the pastebin but statement is correct :P
[16:12] <rye> mandel, pastebinit, no manual substitutions
[16:12] <mandel> rye, ok, give me a sec
[16:13] <rye> mandel, yup, it is clearly COUCH_EXEC_COMMAND in the script
[16:14] <mandel> rye, there you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/373319/
[16:15] <rye> mandel, erm,, is it the contents for the bug report?
[16:17] <mandel> error line from you pastebin is line 2, corrected line is 5, rest just points the code that sets it up, let me know the bug report and I'll take a look
[16:18] <mandel> CardinalFang, sorted, I updated the branch with a test in both methods that ensures that if len == 1 we raise an exception, unit tests have been added. ths for you input ;)
[16:19] <rye> mandel, i took your info and added to the bug 519922
[16:21] <mandel> rye, ok, I can get a patch for that in 10 min, ok?
[16:22] <rye> mandel, erm... ok
[16:23] <urbanape> jblount: I do
[16:26] <jblount> urbanape: Are you working on a Simplenote to TomBoy syncing magical thing yet?
[16:27] <jblount> s/TomBoy/Tomboy (I'm still recovering from the dot bomb)
[16:42] <urbanape> negatory, but that sounds kinda cool.
[16:50] <jodie> Have had U1 running on my Ubuntu system at work and at home. Put 5+ gig of files and folders from work and expected after 3 days the system at home would sync to the files/folders. U1 files/folders only report 47meg.. Client reports they are synced. Any suggestions on how I can get the rest of the stuff to sync?
[16:52] <mandel> thisfred, CardinalFang, mind approving https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/desktopcouch/fix_bug_519922/+merge/19029
[16:53] <thisfred> mandel: it's on my list, I'm on review duty today, so I will get to it
[16:54] <duanedesign> hello jodie
[16:54] <jodie> hi
[16:54] <mandel> thisfred, great :D
[16:55] <duanedesign> jodie: in your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/ directory do you have a syncdaemon-exception.log file
[16:56] <jodie> yes. syncdaemon-exceptions.log is reporting ERROR - MakeFile share:''node:'a39ae816-bffa-41f9-b68d-a2817196c4d6'
[16:57] <jodie> im jodie here and another user at home. Humm
[16:57] <duanedesign> jodie: ahhh
[16:58] <duanedesign> jodie: i was just experiencing something similar. I was trying to sync my etc/ directory and it didnt go so well
[16:58] <duanedesign> jodie: the file being owned by another user
[16:59] <duanedesign> rye: honk
[16:59] <jodie> work computer no. jodie is master in the U1 folder
[17:02] <duanedesign> jodie: ok. let me see if i can find more info for you
[17:02] <jodie> Ran across a thread in the mail archives that some times killing the U1 process(s) and restarting will clear things up. How does one restart U1. There are 2 process(s)
[17:03] <jodie> Machine was re-booted this morning and it didn't make any difference
[17:03] <beuno> rebooting absolutely restarts everything  :)
[17:03] <beuno> the servers are under heavy load at the moment
[17:03] <beuno> maybe it's just being super slow?
[17:04] <jodie> Thats why I gave it 3 days..
[17:04] <beuno> right
[17:04] <duanedesign> jodie: yeah. For future reference though if you quit the client from the panel and run: u1sdtool -q
[17:04] <beuno> jodie, lets try to dig a bit more
[17:04] <beuno> what version of Ubuntu are you running on the machines?
[17:05] <jodie> 9.10 a few updates are on the list didn't notice if U1 was one of em
[17:06] <jodie> when you say quit the client from the panel do you really mean disconnect?
[17:07] <duanedesign> jodie: r-click > quit
[17:07] <jodie> Oh.. That one got by me some how.
[17:08] <rye> duanedesign, erm... pong
[17:09] <jodie> is this normal output for u1sdtool -q ... ubuntuone-syncdaemon still running.
[17:10] <jodie> i checked for pids after click on quit and there weren't any
[17:11] <duanedesign> rye: i was just helping our friend jodie here and thought you might be of better service to him than i :)
[17:12] <duanedesign> jodie: does your excption.log have a lot of the <akefile entries
[17:12] <duanedesign> *Makefile
[17:14] <jodie> cat .cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log |grep akefile |wc -l ... returns 0
[17:15] <rye> jodie, could you please run the script from bug 488232
[17:16] <jodie> sure will take me a few to get to that point. Will return as soon as I can
[17:16] <jodie> Thank you.
[17:16] <rye> jodie, it is not going to fix it, but it will show what files are not synced
[17:16] <rye> in case syncdaemon failed to get ...
[17:17] <rye> jodie, what does apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client say?
[17:18] <rye> jodie, a glance on syncdaemon.log will be helpful as well, if it does not contain any sensitive file names
[17:19] <duanedesign> rye: i came across bug |wc -l
[17:19] <duanedesign> oops
[17:19] <duanedesign> bug 407762 today while trying to back up my /etc directory
[17:21] <rye> duanedesign, yes, I have faced this as well, but I made chmod 000 file :)
[17:25] <duanedesign> rye: also i came across a few bugs today with- BadTransition: State READY_WAITING_WITH_BOTHQ
[17:26] <jodie> bunch of .. KeyError: '/home/jodie/Ubuntu One/Photos/2001.u1conflict/07/20/MVC-003F-2.JPG' .. It appears to have gone out to lunch
[17:26] <duanedesign> havent had a chance to look at them much deeper, just thought i would mention it in case it was something you were familiar with
[17:26] <rye> jodie, ok, great. It means that syncdaemon was not able to advance to them
[17:27] <rye> duanedesign, no, I haven't touched state transitions... yet.
[17:27] <rye> jodie, ok, so you syncdaemon takes all cpu cycles, right?
[17:27] <rye> *your
[17:28] <jodie> not according to top
[17:28] <rye> hm...
[17:28] <jodie> 3.7%
[17:29] <jodie> i'll do a ctrl-c
[17:29] <rye> is it possible for you to paste your syndaemon.log to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[17:29] <rye> or better yet
[17:29] <rye> stop the script
[17:29] <rye> restart syncdaemon
[17:30] <rye> i.e. quit syncdaemon, restart applet, wait for ERROR messages to appear and then paste the log to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:44] <rye> jodie, ^
[17:52] <rye> wow
[17:52] <rye> http://ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com/
[17:53] <rye> IPv6-only torrents
[17:56]  * jblount makes a note to look up why IPv6 is interesting
[18:01] <jodie> hum tail -f didn't scroll after starting.. I'll
[18:02] <jodie> sorry im getting pulled away try and be back as soon as I can
[18:06] <rye> great, my main ISP seems to be worse than backup one, PPP now fails with "Failed to authenticate ourselves to peer". The backup ISP seems to become main one in a while
[18:10] <CardinalFang> Okay, mandel, reviewed.  Two more complaints.
[18:11] <mandel> CardialFang, tell me :)
[18:12] <CardinalFang> mandel, 1) empty is not like lists  2) enumerate()
[18:16] <mandel> 1) I know, but that is a constraint given my the RecordData. if you try to create an empty list and add it to it you will get an exception. I would love to be able to remove the list which would be a nicer way to do it, but how do I get the reference of the correct container
[18:16] <mandel> 2) agree
[18:30] <mandel> CardinalFang, shall I just fix 2 ^ 'cause all the ideas I have for  are horrible hacks...
[18:35] <mandel> CardinalFang, check this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktopcouch/+bug/510232
[18:46] <deadguys> hi all.  my ubuntuone client seems to have stopped syncing.  are there any logs I can dig through?
[18:50] <jodie> rye are you still there?
[18:50] <rye> jodie, yup
[18:50] <jodie> here is the log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/373416/
[18:51] <deadguys> jodie: may I ask where you found that log?
[18:51] <rye> deadguys, this is ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[18:52] <jodie> ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[18:52] <jodie> I did make some changes to protect privie stuff. Messages remain the same
[18:53] <jodie> its pretty bad uh?
[18:55] <jodie> rye.. I've got to slip away again. Will get back as soon as I can. Thanks.
[18:56] <rye> jodie, browsing the log
[18:57] <rye> jodie, 2010-02-10 10:36:11,518 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - WARNING - connection lost: Connection was closed cleanly.
[18:58] <jodie> about the time i pressed quit
[18:58] <rye> jodie, your client is not connected but it does not realise that.
[18:58] <jodie> so do quit and then reconnect?
[18:59] <rye> jodie, try u1sdtool -q and then reconnect using the applet, bug #487257
[18:59] <jodie> the cloud icon is showing and says every thing is synced but there is only 40meg on the U1 drive
[19:00] <rye> jodie, it has synced every file it knew of...
[19:01] <rye> jodie, ok, I'll stuff my mozilla profile to my u1 directory
[19:01] <rye> deadguys, ok, so, what has happened to your client?
[19:02] <jodie> it reports u1sdtool -q ... ubuntuone-syncdaemon still running.
[19:02] <jodie> cloud icon went away
[19:03] <jodie> rye.. they are screaming at me. I'll get back soon.
[19:05] <deadguys> rye:  looks like it lost track of my dbus session.  guess that's what I get for running xmonad.  is running gnome-settings-daemon before starting ubuntuone-client-applet enough, or are there other deps?
[19:07] <deadguys> oops spoke too soon. got a "failure INTERNAL_ERROR"
[19:10] <rye> deadguys, is INTERNAL_ERROR preceded by some kind of other message?
[19:10] <CardinalFang> mandel, ah, good.  I didn't know that bug existed.  You don't have to solve it.
[19:11] <deadguys> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/373439/
[19:12] <mandel> CardinalFang, I can take a look but I do not know if  aquarius has done anything about it
[19:12] <CardinalFang> mandel, you don't have to do anything about it.  Raise exception as you do, and expect aq to fix that later.
[19:15] <rye> awesome, put mozilla profile tree to Ubuntu One folder and... START_STANDOFF_WAITING_WITH_NETWORK_WITH_BOTHQ
[19:15] <mandel> CardinalFang, ok, then unless you have more comments about that branch I'm done with it :D
[19:15] <CardinalFang> Great.
[19:33] <rye> deadguys, is there any info about server disconnect, etc? in the log file?
[19:35] <deadguys> rye: no, and it continues after the errors, but they're occurring quite regularly now
[19:44] <rye> deadguys, ah, yeah, right, debug...
[19:45] <mandel> thisfred, ping
[19:45] <thisfred> mandel: pong
[19:46] <mandel> thisfred, if relying on the form of the keys is removed there web client will not have to have a 500 error when the key does not match the uuid patter, right?
[19:46] <rye> deadguys, could you please perform the steps listed in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Bugs#Running%20syncdaemon%20in%20debug%20mode
[19:46] <mandel> thisfred, which I think it looks a little hacky (I have not seen the code but feels like it :P)
[19:47] <thisfred> mandel: as I say in the bug, I would keep the restriction in place, just not use it to check whether or not we're dealing with a mergeable list
[19:48] <mandel> thisfred, I'm just trying to convince you an remove it hehe
[19:48] <thisfred> mandel: we definitely want  to enforce uuids as keys in mergeable lists, and yes, doing that by the pattern of dashes is hacky, but I know of no better way
[19:49] <thisfred> mandel: perhaps try with aquarius first, he's a much more reasonable person than I am :D
[19:51] <mandel> thisfred, hehe you will be surprise
[19:51] <jodie> rye.. I'm back.
[19:52] <mandel> thisfred, I like your solution or at least it will make the rest of the work better since the use of dict are far too much overhead when dealing with lists... lets talk with him before we touch the code
[19:52] <mandel> thisfred, also with rodrigo_ since he has code for that in his evolution lib and may be a pain in the ass for him
[19:53] <thisfred> mandel: yeah, sounds good. I think it will also make the code simpler, since we can some of the magic. The checking on a _is_mergeable_list key is slightly magic, but less so and more explicit
[19:54] <thisfred> yeah of course, we'll try to break as little API as possible.
[19:55] <thisfred> we'll have to do a data migration step, which is painful, but it'll be good to get infrastructure to those in place
[19:58] <mandel> thisfred, mm so who uses the API, tomboy notes, evolution and ubuntuone, I think that if no one sees a problem in ubuntu-one it would be a good improvement
[19:58] <mandel> thisfred, i do not know the internal steps you guys follow or this, so I relay on you ;)
[20:00] <rye> jodie, ok, so, has the client restart helped?
[20:01] <jodie> rye.. I'll get it restarted
[20:02] <jodie> rye.. cloud icon says the files are up to date
[20:04] <thisfred> mandel: also gwibber, and perhaps others we don't know of. Keeping the API as stable as possible should be a goal, and if we're gonna break it, do it as early as possible, and make a lot of noise about it
[20:04] <rye> jodie, can you check the logs? Is there anything different now?
[20:05] <mandel> thisfred, although I'm thinking if removing the excessive usage of MergeableLists is going to take a long time we might as well merge the remove branch and then look
[20:05] <mandel> thisfred, I forgot about gwibber, do they use this record format: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Gwibber/DesktopCouch
[20:06] <jodie> rye.. this one stands out... cat syncdaemon-exceptions.log |grep ERROR
[20:06] <jodie> 2010-02-10 11:26:15,527 - pyinotify - ERROR - The path /home/jodie/Ubuntu One/Seamonkey/Profile/Cache of this watch <Watch wd=15 mask=3064 auto_add=False proc_fun=None path=/home/jodie/Ubuntu One/Seamonkey/Profile/Profile/Cache dir=True > must not be trusted anymore
[20:08] <thisfred> mandel: not 100% sure what format they use, CardinalFang may know as he helped them I think
[20:08] <jodie> rye.. syncdaemon.log is just showing INFO entries
[20:09] <rye> jodie, ok, is applet connected?
[20:09] <CardinalFang> thisfred, mandel, gwibber has at least three kinds of records.  I toyed with an accounts record long ago, and I suspect it's replaced by now.
[20:09] <jodie> just got a explamation mark in the cloud ican when clicked it says connect
[20:09] <jodie> what applet?
[20:10] <jodie> let me check the pids
[20:11] <jodie> pids for /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon and /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/ubuntuone-client-applet are running
[20:11] <thisfred> mandel: ok, so not sure, but it doesn't matter really, we will need to provide a data upgrade path if we mess with the format of mergeable lists. I'm thinking desktopcouch can do a check when starting up. We'll store a dataformat version document in the system db or so
[20:12] <jodie> rye.. click cloud icon and selected connect pids are the same
[20:13] <rye> jodie, the logs are rotated when they reach certain size, therefore tail -f on the log file might not be enough
[20:14] <jodie> rye.. see what you mean syncdaemon-exceptions.log is empty
[20:14] <rye> jodie, yes, that may not be an exception
[20:14] <rye> what is the last line of syncdaemon.log file ?
[20:15] <mandel> thisfred, ok, sounds like you have a plan, just let me know if you need any help (email me or something), need to go now, leters!
[20:15] <thisfred> mandel: later!
[20:15] <jodie> rye.. last line is 2010-02-10 13:14:42,586 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.sync - INFO - T:LOCAL:F a2eb321d-74ad-4fac-8eb1-c20c446e29cb [root:0b90c782-a4cb-4d46-b329-10a61eabfd6a] ''Ubuntu One/Seamonkey/Profilee/urlbarhistory.sqlite'' | Called new_local_file_created (In: T:LOCAL:F)
[20:16] <jodie> who is mandel?
[20:16] <rye> jodie, ok, i it is still working on metadata
[20:16] <jodie> rye.. that is good to hear.
[20:17] <CardinalFang> jodie, ask him tomorrow.  He should be back.
[20:18] <jodie> ok.. I'll check back tomorrow
[20:21] <duanedesign>  progress making the ubuntuone-client bug graphs accesible by web interface. http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/complete-graphs/ubuntuone-client/index.interface.html
[20:23] <duanedesign> plenty of empty slots in the interface if you guys see any benefit to adding other U1 packages
[20:27] <rye> duanedesign, hm, how do you detect the number of, say, open bugs for the previous periods? (I haven't hacked lp library much)
[20:28] <duanedesign> rye: good question. I was only able to get the last month. Let me look...
[20:35] <rye> jodie had inotify problem as well...
[20:38] <rye> bug
[20:38] <rye> web ui
[20:39] <rye> click on file info, the link is set to go to '#'. In case file not on the first screen (i.e. scrolling is required) the page jumps up (#) and displays file info
[21:07] <dobey> yay. snacks secured
[21:21] <duanedesign> rye: looks as though the bug stats are monitored by the QA team for projects of a substantial size. Beyond that I believe it is up to the teams to track them if they want them.
[21:21] <duanedesign> if i stumble on to something to the  conrary, like a way to use the Launchpad library, i will let you know
[21:22] <duanedesign> s/conrary/contrary
[21:22] <rye> duanedesign, thanks :)
[21:22] <duanedesign> rye: oh and off topic
[21:22] <duanedesign> rye: i went to your photo accout to look at a screen schot or something and ended up browsing soomw pictures
[21:23] <duanedesign> there were some great pictures of an old fort those were awesome
[21:23] <rye> duanedesign, old fort?
[21:23] <duanedesign> lol
[21:23] <duanedesign> probablly not a good description
[21:23] <rye> ah, Poland ?
[21:24] <duanedesign> must be. I was going to ask where they might be taken at. I am so jealous of the history in Europe. the US does not have much like that
[21:25] <duanedesign> rye: lol, yep. I guess i should of been more observant as they are labeled Poland2009
[21:25] <rye> yep, those were nice, I live in Kiev, which is also full of historic places but it is like something casual. The buildings there raise completely different feelings
[21:26] <rye> or rise
[21:26] <rye> invoke :)
[21:27] <Bookman> Has it been figured out and corrected on how to get UbuntuOne to work with Wicd insteat of Network Manager yet?
[21:30] <rye> Bookman, if network manager is not responding or not installed then ubuntuone will try connect anyway. This is fixed in the latest SRU, which is now available as karmic upgrade
[21:30] <rye> ok, guys, it seems that i have switched to a dumb mode, therefore it looks like i need to have some sleep :)
[21:31] <duanedesign> ok cya rye
[21:31] <rye> good night everyone
[21:31] <Bookman> Ok, it is not fixed up to 10.04
[21:31] <duanedesign> i need to look at some thing other than the screen myself :)
[21:31] <Bookman> Still broken on one 9.10 and one 10.04 installation
[21:32] <rye> Bookman, hm... Is NetworkManager running on 9.10 ?
[21:32] <Bookman> No, Wicd on both
[21:32] <Bookman> Network Manager does not work on both installations
[21:32] <rye> Bookman, ok, what version is installed on 9.10 ?
[21:32] <rye> of ubuntuone-client
[21:33] <Bookman> I'm not there now.  Whatever the latest was as of last week.
[21:33] <Bookman> I uninstalled and installed
[21:35] <rye> Bookman, the update was uploaded to karmic-updates on 2010-02-05
[21:36] <rye> duanedesign, yep, it turns out that there's whole world to explore :)
[21:36] <Bookman> ok, then just my machines.
[21:37] <rye> Bookman, i will find out about the state for Lucid, but this will be tomorrow
[21:37] <Bookman> No rush, I will check back in a later release.
[21:37] <rye> Bookman, thanks!
[21:38] <Bookman> Not ready for primetime yet!  Keep at it.
[21:38] <rye> we are working to make it really shine.
[21:38] <Bookman> Get sleep, you will need it.
[21:38] <rye> ok, shutting down :)
[21:44] <dobey> eh
[21:45] <dobey> the nm fix is in lucid already
[21:59] <dobey> Bookman: the nm dependency issue is already fixed in lucid
[21:59] <dobey> the 1.1.0 package has the fix i believe
[22:01] <Bookman> dobey, I stand corrected.  I just powered my 10.04 machine up and yes, indeed it is fixed!
[22:01] <Bookman> I seem to have to eat a poop sandwich on that one!  I swear it did not work but 3 days ago.
[22:02] <Bookman> But still not with 9.10
[22:03] <dobey> it's fixed in the 1.0.3 update on karmic
[22:03] <dobey> which is now in karmic-updates
[22:03] <Bookman> What date, the 5 th?
[22:05] <dobey>      1.0.3-0ubuntu1 0
[22:05] <dobey>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates/main Packages
[22:05] <dobey> that one, from apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client-gnome
[22:06] <dobey> it of course needs to be restarted for the change to take effect, which is most easily done by logging out and back in
[22:06] <rodrigo_> thisfred, not sure I follow what you were discussing with mandel about the mergerable lists, so what is the change you're planning?
[22:08] <thisfred> rodrigo_: there are two changes: 1. make the use of regular lists possible in desktopcouch, 2. to do that, change the JSON format of mergeable lists slightly, so that they have a _is_mergeable_list key, or something
[22:08] <rodrigo_> ah, so just adding that field to the list itself?
[22:08] <thisfred> this makes regular lists possible, which are smaller and simpler, and makes things less magical.
[22:08] <dobey> verterok: ping
[22:09] <thisfred> rodrigo_: well to the json dictionary that represents a mergeable list yes
[22:09] <rodrigo_> thisfred, yeah, right, ok
[22:09] <Bookman> dobey, I just did a standard update and it does not work.  I'm not interested in custom repositories.
[22:09] <rodrigo_> thisfred, so sounds good to me, and just needs a little change for couchdb-glib, so all ok :-)
[22:09] <dobey> Bookman: it's not a custom repository.
[22:09] <thisfred> rodrigo_: ok, good to hear
[22:09] <dobey> Bookman: what version do you have installed?
[22:10] <Bookman> dobey, then it does not work.  How to tell the current version from the command line?
[22:10] <dobey> dpkg -l ubuntuone-client-gnome
[22:11] <Bookman> 1.1.1+r321-0ub
[22:11] <dobey> so you're running the version from the beta ppa
[22:11] <dobey> which is actually newer than the version on lucid
[22:11] <dobey> and you are probably experiencing another bug
[22:11] <Bookman> I have no idea.
[22:12] <dobey> what does dpkg -l python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol say?
[22:13] <Bookman> python-ubuntuo 1.1.1+r82-0ubu
[22:13] <dobey> hrmm
[22:14] <dobey> does ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaaemon-exceptions.log have anything in it?
[22:16] <Bookman> Yes
[22:17] <Bookman> Ok to pastebin that here?
[22:21] <dobey> yeah, pastebin.ubuntu.com if it's more than a couple of lines
[22:21] <Bookman> http://pastebin.ca/1793136
[22:23] <dobey> Bookman: hrmm. looks like your metadata is corrupt
[22:23] <dobey> verterok: ^^
[22:24] <Bookman> Do I need to see a Dr about that?
[22:24] <Bookman> Maybe a cream would solve that?
[22:24] <Bookman> I'm only on a SSH session with the target machine.
[22:25] <dobey> Bookman: if you quit the applet, mv ~/.local/share/ubuntuone ~/.local/share/ubuntuone-broken, then try to start the applet again, it should work
[22:26] <Bookman> And to quite the applet/restart the applet how via ssh?
[22:27] <dobey> Bookman: probably better to wait at that machine. doing all that over ssh will be quit complicated due to dbus/X/etc... needs
[22:27] <dobey> wait until you're at that machine, i mean
[22:27] <Bookman> I thought so.
[22:28] <Bookman> I can do the fix and ask the remote user to reboot though.  Not an issue.
[22:29] <dobey> ok
[22:30] <Bookman> Should I just kill the service then?
[22:36] <dobey> is ubuntuone-syncdaemon running?
[22:38] <Bookman> yes, under two users
[22:39] <Bookman> ubuntuone-login running
[22:39] <dobey> are all the users seeing the same problem?
[22:39] <Bookman> ubuntuone-client-applet running
[22:39] <Bookman> yes, all users
[22:39] <dobey> weird
[22:39] <Bookman> Not for me!
[22:40] <dobey> well they shouldn't all have the same metadata
[22:40] <Bookman> Lets solve one at a time.
[22:41] <dobey> and ubuntuone-login should only be running while it's associating the computer with the u1 account
[22:42] <Bookman> Ok, obviously more problems with this program than I can solve.  I will just remove and move on to something else.
[22:43] <dobey> i assume each user on that pc has a separate ubuntuone account?
[22:43] <Bookman> Yes
[22:45] <Bookman> Let me see if dropbox works for me.
[22:45] <dobey> i want to solve your issues. i think it's best if we can debug one at a time, with someone physically at the computer, with only one user logged in at a time, will be easiest to determine where the problems are
[22:48] <Bookman> Ok, I'm installing dropbox in the background.  What would you like me to try.  I need the computer to have two users at all times.  I can log everyone out and reboot but the machine has to stay productive.
[22:49] <dobey> moving the broken metadata out of the way, and restarting the service as I mentioned before
[22:50] <Bookman> maybe I missed it...how to restart the service?
[22:51] <Bookman> Holy cow, Dropbox works with no mods....
[22:51] <Bookman> Sorry.
[22:51] <dobey> u1sdtool --quit should work, but again, it requires dbus, so will probably not work over ssh
[22:52] <Bookman> Ok, I will try but Dropbox works for now.  Keep working!
[22:53] <Bookman> Ok, stopped
[22:58] <Bookman> There is something really wrong with UbuntuOne.  Even this local machine that is supposed to work has tons of files with red x's on them in Nautilus.
[22:58] <beuno> Bookman, the servers have a high load at the moment
[22:58] <beuno> we're working to solve some issues
[22:58] <beuno> to be able to scale more for Lucid  :)
[22:58] <beuno> it should be back to normal in a few days
[22:58] <Bookman> I'll bet
[22:59] <beuno> __lucio__ will make sure
[22:59] <beuno> sorry for the delays
[22:59] <Bookman> I'm thinking you need to remove all installations and start from scratch!
[22:59] <Bookman> Dropbox just works.  Period.  Copy that!
[23:00] <Bookman> And it is not even a Ubuntu/Linux app!
[23:00] <dobey> this isn't #dropbox
[23:00] <beuno> we're a little bit more ambitious than that *wink*
[23:00] <Bookman> dobey, I understand that and I'm really trying to use open source here.
[23:01] <beuno> Bookman, things will fall into place soon
[23:01] <dobey> and dropbox has been beta for like 4 years
[23:01] <beuno> it's not there *now*, but it should be by Lucid
[23:01] <dobey> i'm sure you would have complained about some of the same things 4 years ago when it came out, if you were able to get in the private beta
[23:02] <Bookman> I just hate that Dropbox works in Ubuntu, but Ubuntu's own does not work in Ubuntu.  No, I would not have complained that an add on to Windows did not work in Windows.
[23:02] <beuno> Bookman, of course
[23:02] <Bookman> There you go.  That is my argument.
[23:03] <Bookman> Maybe wrong of course!
[23:03] <beuno> there's a lot of people working on this day and night
[23:03] <Bookman> I know you guys are and I'm sorry to vent here.
[23:03] <dobey> then please don't complain that we aren't dropbox. constructive criticism is welcome, but "please be someone else" isn't helpful
[23:03] <beuno> we have a few rough edges to polish
[23:03] <beuno> and we're working  on a lot of new features
[23:03] <Bookman> dobey, you are correct.
[23:03] <beuno> it shou[1~Lucid should be a pleasure to use with ubuntuone
[23:03] <Bookman> Sorry.
[23:04] <dobey> and we're trying to help you solve your problems
[23:04] <Bookman> Yes you are.
[23:04] <Bookman> Again, venting.  This all actually used to work well!  Until Network Manager no longer worked with DSL
[23:05] <beuno> Bookman, I hear you, I've been struggling all week with problems
[23:06] <beuno> luckily, facundobatista sent me a patch today that fixed it
[23:06] <beuno> so once the servers are back to normal, life will be good again
[23:06] <dobey> beuno is the king of making u1 not work
[23:06] <beuno> and proud of it!  :)
[23:07] <beuno> I should of pursued a carrier in QA
[23:08] <Bookman> Well, let's just hope that this is something that you can get working and maybe make Canonical some much needed money.
[23:08]  * dobey wonders where that bug rye filed the other day is... if he actually filed it
[23:08] <beuno> Bookman, we will
[23:08] <beuno> there's no doubt
[23:08] <Bookman> Have at it!
[23:09] <Bookman> I am waiting to test but unfortunately I have to go with what works for me today.
[23:10]  * dobey grumbles at web companies changing the meaning of "beta" to be "stable"
[23:12] <Bookman> You know what, with your enthusiasm, I would accept a hack to get it working.  I never do that.
[23:13] <dobey> i am not sure you need a hack
[23:13] <dobey> looks like some metadata just got corrupted for some reason, so moving it out of the way and restarting should be enough
[23:14] <Bookman> Then that is even better.  Get Crack-A-Lackin then
[23:14] <Bookman> I tried that
[23:16] <dobey> and you have the same problem? you didn't say anything about it working or not.
[23:17] <Bookman> I believe I did.  It did not work.
[23:20] <beuno> Bookman, so have you filed a bug about this?
[23:20] <beuno> if you have, I'll point our QA guy to it tomorrow so he can help you through it
[23:20] <Bookman> Don't get me started about this bug system.
[23:20] <beuno> I won't
[23:20] <dobey> ok, I have to go now. must get food
[23:20] <Bookman> IT does not work.  Not for manual reports.  I've been through the whole system.
[23:21] <beuno> Bookman, so you don't have a bug #?
[23:21] <Bookman> No way.  I tried.
[23:21] <beuno> ok, so in about 8 hours, our QA guy, Roman is going to be around
[23:22] <beuno> he can help you through it
[23:22] <Bookman> So, I assume without a bug #, no help, correct?  Like the  Canadian Government?  An excuse?
[23:22] <Bookman> Nah, it is ok
[23:22] <Bookman> Carry on developing.  You have a long way to go though.!
[23:22] <Bookman> No couple of months and then make revenue.
[23:23] <beuno> no, it's just hard to track across timezones and different problems
[23:23] <Bookman> You said it yourself.  the other guys took 4 years.
[23:23] <beuno> we're less abosessed about revenue, and more about ptting the right infrastructure into place to support the whole Ubuntu community
[23:23] <Bookman> Yes, but you have one guy in one timezone.
[23:24] <Bookman> Not good
[23:24] <beuno> that's more than dropbox has  ;)
[23:24] <beuno> anyway
[23:24] <Bookman> But it works
[23:24] <Bookman> In Ubuntu
[23:24] <beuno> sure, so our resources are better spent fixing things  *wink*
[23:25] <beuno> I'm off to bed
[23:25] <Bookman> I tried here.
[23:25] <beuno> see y'all in 8 hours!
[23:25] <Bookman> For a second time.
[23:26] <Bookman> I am not without trying.