| Nafai | So, when g_object_unref is called, the finalizer for the object gets called? | 00:13 |
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| jpetersen | Good Morning | 07:41 |
| smithj | morning? its 22:44 :-P | 07:44 |
| nigelb | MacSlow, hey... around? | 09:43 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, what's up? | 09:49 |
| nigelb | MacSlow, just wanted to talk about the notify-osd and network-manager :) | 09:49 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, feature-requests and bug-reports don't work on IRC :) | 09:50 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, that's what we have mailing-lists and launchpad for :) | 09:50 |
| nigelb | MacSlow, hehe, well its already on launchpad. I triaged the bug earlier. Just checking with you for details.. :) | 09:51 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, or is it about hacking up a integration-patch? | 09:51 |
| nigelb | well, the only thing I wanted to know is, is the bug upstream as of now? i.e. network manager? | 09:52 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, bug-upstream for network-manager ... ehm... Dan Williams from RedHat I'd say | 09:53 |
| nigelb | thank you :) | 09:54 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, cat /usr/share/doc/network-manager/AUTHORS | 09:54 |
| nigelb | It would be nice to know the facts before I claim so :) | 09:54 |
| nigelb | ah... oh.. | 09:54 |
| MacSlow | nigelb, this "cat /usr/share/doc/<package>/AUTHORS" works for most pieces of software installed on your system | 09:55 |
| nigelb | thats great to know :) | 09:56 |
| invernizzi | 10:18 | |
| vish | nigelb: the bug was forwarded upstream , but its not an upstream bug [its ubuntu specific] | 10:21 |
| nigelb | vish, it is an upstream task that first needs to be completed.. if i'm not wrong | 10:21 |
| vish | nigelb: upstream in nm ? noo.. as i mentioned in the bug , the way it has to be handled hasnt yet been decided... mpt might be the first person you need to consult | 10:23 |
| nigelb | vish, anyway. All I wanted was a decent enough text to put in future bug reports ;) | 10:24 |
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| Nafai | Good morning | 13:47 |
| jpetersen | Good morning Nafai | 13:49 |
| Nafai | Hello, how are things going? | 13:49 |
| jpetersen | good here | 13:52 |
| Nafai | brb, rebooting | 14:00 |
| Nafai | back | 14:08 |
| seb128 | hey Nafai | 14:34 |
| Nafai | Hey seb128 | 14:34 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 14:34 |
| Nafai | Doing well, and you? | 14:34 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 14:34 |
| seb128 | do you run lucid? or trunk built for all the indicator stack? | 14:35 |
| Nafai | I'm on lucid | 14:36 |
| seb128 | Nafai, and you get the indicator icon changing? | 14:38 |
| Nafai | Yeah | 14:39 |
| Nafai | I just did an update this morning and rebooted. I'm recompiling and testing again to make sure it isn't broken again | 14:39 |
| seb128 | ok, works now in fact | 14:40 |
| seb128 | I probably didn't restart some service yesterday ;-) | 14:41 |
| Nafai | ah. awesome ;) | 14:41 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, I will create the upstream GNOME bug now, and then you can attach the patch right after | 14:56 |
| Nafai | cool, another patch going upstream! | 14:56 |
| jpetersen | jcastro, ok i will do | 14:58 |
| seb128 | jcastro, hey | 14:59 |
| seb128 | Nafai, jcastro: g-c-c uploaded now | 15:00 |
| Nafai | awesome! | 15:00 |
| Nafai | my first code in the distro! | 15:00 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:00 |
| jcastro | \o/ | 15:01 |
| jcastro | Nafai, seb128, I've also pinged Rodrigo to weigh on g-c-c | 15:02 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609654 | 15:04 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 609654 in applets "Support for application-indicators/StatusNotifierIcon" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] | 15:04 |
| jcastro | paste away! | 15:04 |
| jcastro | jpetersen, Nafai, smithj: I've also edited the workflow page to add the step of adding a "patch" tag in launchpad when you attach the patch. | 15:04 |
| jpetersen | jcastro, ok | 15:05 |
| Nafai | saw it :) | 15:06 |
| jcastro | woo hoo, 3 sent so far! | 15:07 |
| jpetersen | jcastro, patch attached | 15:17 |
| jpetersen | so I am off for today :) bye bye | 15:17 |
| jcastro | thanks! | 15:18 |
| jcastro | just got your report, woo! | 15:18 |
| Nafai | Morning jono | 15:47 |
| GogglesGuy | So how compatible are the two specs (kde status icon vs the gnome one). It seems the "menu" property is a requirement for gnome, but what about kde? | 16:20 |
| theoraforever | If Google gets a complete API out in time, is there a chance that Google Buzz support might be added to the MeMenu for Lucid? | 16:30 |
| theoraforever | Buzz isn't exactly mic | 16:43 |
| theoraforever | roblogging, but it is a "broadcast account". | 16:43 |
| theoraforever | And so would seem within the scope of the MeMenu. | 16:44 |
| GogglesGuy | Is there a online version of the dbusmenu spec? | 16:58 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: We've added menu support into KDE as a patch, but I don't think it's in the spec yet. | 17:29 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/spec/ | 17:29 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: I'd recommend not implementing it though :) If you've got glib, you can use libdbusmenu-glib which has no GTK deps. | 17:30 |
| GogglesGuy | tedg: are you expecting the spec to change then? | 17:31 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: I don't expect it to change that much, but it's not a simple one to implement. | 17:31 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: And I'd always recommend using tested code :) | 17:32 |
| GogglesGuy | tedg: perhaps the spec is too complicated then if it's not a simple one to implement. | 17:32 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: heh, well, if you can recommend things to drop, I'm all for it. But, the fact of the matter is that menus are complicated :( | 17:33 |
| tedg | It's not a lot of code, but it gets abused through everything menus do. | 17:33 |
| GogglesGuy | tedg: Not suggesting that :) I only need a very basic menu | 17:35 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: If you look at any of the indicators (indicator-session is a good one) they create simple menus with dbusmenu-glib | 17:36 |
| GogglesGuy | Would I need a glib mainloop if I use dbusmenu-glib? | 17:37 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: Yeah, you would. | 17:38 |
| tedg | You really need a mainloop to use dbus. | 17:38 |
| GogglesGuy | tedg: unfortunately, that would be a no go. | 17:38 |
| tgpraveen12 | hey what does gnome-media indicator mean? i mean what will it show. | 17:38 |
| tgpraveen12 | currently gnome-media does not have any notification icon right? | 17:38 |
| tedg | tgpraveen12: I believe that entry was talking about the mixer applet. | 17:39 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: What mainloop are you using? | 17:39 |
| tgpraveen12 | tedg: mixer applet? u mean sound volume control? | 17:40 |
| GogglesGuy | I use FOX (www.fox-toolkit.org), and integrated dbus into the FOX event handling system | 17:40 |
| GogglesGuy | (it's somewhat primitive, but it works for me) :) | 17:40 |
| Nafai | Just got some good feedback from rodrigo | 17:44 |
| tedg | GogglesGuy: Wow, hadn't heard of that one. So yeah, you'll have to implement a dbusmenu-glib like thing. You could steal the testsuite from dbusmenu, that'd probably help. | 17:45 |
| tedg | tgpraveen12: I'm not sure. | 17:45 |
| GogglesGuy | tedg: That's why I like dbus. It makes it really easy to communicate between two totally different applications :) | 17:46 |
| jono | Nafai, btw, expect #519625: to be fixed today by bratsche, who clearly rocks the house | 18:50 |
| Nafai | jono: Awesome! I saw that he changed it to in-progress. :) | 18:50 |
| jono | :) | 18:50 |
| bratsche | Nafai: I actually changed it to In Progress only so it's easier to track. When I'm on my LP homepage there's a box that shows all the stuff that I have in progress. I wish there were such a box for everything that's assigned to me, that would make things easier. | 19:19 |
| bratsche | But I'll do it today. | 19:19 |
| Nafai | Ok :) | 19:21 |
| Nafai | thanks and let me know if there is anything I can do to help out | 19:21 |
| Nafai | lunch time! | 19:29 |
| GogglesGuy | Does the indicator-application service do any logging? It seems to crash whenever I specify a menu... | 20:02 |
| Nafai | GogglesGuy: Look in ~/.cache/indicator-applet.log | 20:21 |
| GogglesGuy | Nafai: found that one... nothing usefull though... | 20:28 |
| Nafai | sorry, that's all I know about it right now :) | 20:29 |
| Nafai | bratsche, kenvandine: I know today is probably hugely busy for y'all, but if you might have a chance to take a look at the e-mail I sent with questions on how to approach brasero/vino best, especially for upstream, I'd appreciate it | 21:57 |
| kenvandine | Nafai, in the morning... sorry | 22:05 |
| kenvandine | busy :/ | 22:05 |
| Nafai | I understand :) | 22:05 |
| kenvandine | unless someone else can help :) | 22:06 |
| Nafai | Oh, another thing. :) | 22:06 |
| Nafai | For someone. I noticed that the wonderful packages seb128 made didn't have the dependencies updated (neither build-dep or Dependencies) and so appindicator support didn't get compiled in | 22:06 |
| seb128 | urg | 22:07 |
| seb128 | Nafai, fixing that now | 22:07 |
| seb128 | somewhat I took that as a sponsoring request | 22:07 |
| seb128 | applied the patch and uploaded ;-) | 22:08 |
| Nafai | no, that's okay | 22:08 |
| Nafai | I realized I wasn't clear | 22:08 |
| Nafai | Ken was going to fully update the packaging for me | 22:08 |
| Nafai | If I'm working on things that have packaging branches, i can also provide those in the future for sponsoring purposes if ken gets busy | 22:08 |
| GogglesGuy | So regarding the application status. I've got a media player that used have the following functionality: left mouse click => toggle visibility of main window. right mouse click => show context menu. Is that still possible with the ApplicationIndicators? If not, what would be the suggested behaviour? | 22:17 |
| Nafai | GogglesGuy, Probably add the toggle visibility as a menu item | 22:18 |
| Nafai | application indicators are designed to be uniform, so they offer only a standard menu you get from left-click | 22:18 |
| Nafai | Have you seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines | 22:19 |
| GogglesGuy | Yes, I quickly glanced through it. Is KDE going to follow the same standard? | 22:22 |
| Nafai | My hunch is yes, but I'm not the one to answer that | 22:24 |
| GogglesGuy | To me it looks like all the usefull functionality was stripped from KDE Application Indicators spec.... | 22:30 |
| Nafai | I don't know anything about the KDE spec. | 22:31 |
| Nafai | tedg or mpt or jono might be ones to bug about it | 22:31 |
| seb128 | Nafai, those packaging details are things I do all week, I was just doing several things at the same time and didn't stop to think about this one ;-) | 22:41 |
| Nafai | heh, that's okay. :) | 22:42 |
| GogglesGuy | I guess I'm confused now. The actual proposed spec (http://www.notmart.org/misc/statusnotifieritem/) is somewhat different than what https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines describes.. | 22:43 |
| GogglesGuy | or what is being implemented in the application-indicator service. | 22:44 |
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