[00:13] <Nafai> So, when g_object_unref is called, the finalizer for the object gets called?
[07:41] <jpetersen> Good Morning
[07:44] <smithj> morning? its 22:44 :-P
[09:43] <nigelb> MacSlow, hey... around?
[09:49] <MacSlow> nigelb, what's up?
[09:49] <nigelb> MacSlow, just wanted to talk about the notify-osd and network-manager :)
[09:50] <MacSlow> nigelb, feature-requests and bug-reports don't work on IRC :)
[09:50] <MacSlow> nigelb, that's what we have mailing-lists and launchpad for :)
[09:51] <nigelb> MacSlow, hehe, well its already on launchpad.  I triaged the bug earlier.  Just checking with you for details.. :)
[09:51] <MacSlow> nigelb, or is it about hacking up a integration-patch?
[09:52] <nigelb> well, the only thing I wanted to know is, is the bug upstream as of now? i.e. network manager?
[09:53] <MacSlow> nigelb, bug-upstream for network-manager ... ehm... Dan Williams from RedHat I'd say
[09:54] <nigelb> thank you :)
[09:54] <MacSlow> nigelb, cat /usr/share/doc/network-manager/AUTHORS
[09:54] <nigelb> It would be nice to know the facts before I claim so :)
[09:54] <nigelb> ah... oh..
[09:55] <MacSlow> nigelb, this "cat /usr/share/doc/<package>/AUTHORS" works for most pieces of software installed on your system
[09:56] <nigelb> thats great to know :)
[10:18] <invernizzi>  
[10:21] <vish> nigelb: the bug was forwarded upstream , but its not an upstream bug [its ubuntu specific]
[10:21] <nigelb> vish, it is an upstream task that first needs to be completed.. if i'm not wrong
[10:23] <vish> nigelb: upstream in nm ? noo.. as i mentioned in the bug , the way it has to be handled hasnt yet been decided... mpt might be the first person you need to consult
[10:24] <nigelb> vish, anyway.  All I wanted was a decent enough text to put in future bug reports ;)
[13:47] <Nafai> Good morning
[13:49] <jpetersen> Good morning Nafai 
[13:49] <Nafai> Hello, how are things going?
[13:52] <jpetersen> good here
[14:00] <Nafai> brb, rebooting
[14:08] <Nafai> back
[14:34] <seb128> hey Nafai
[14:34] <Nafai> Hey seb128
[14:34] <seb128> how are you?
[14:34] <Nafai> Doing well, and you?
[14:34] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[14:35] <seb128> do you run lucid? or trunk built for all the indicator stack?
[14:36] <Nafai> I'm on lucid
[14:38] <seb128> Nafai, and you get the indicator icon changing?
[14:39] <Nafai> Yeah
[14:39] <Nafai> I just did an update this morning and rebooted.  I'm recompiling and testing again to make sure it isn't broken again
[14:40] <seb128> ok, works now in fact
[14:41] <seb128> I probably didn't restart some service yesterday ;-)
[14:41] <Nafai> ah. awesome ;)
[14:56] <jcastro> jpetersen, I will create the upstream GNOME bug now, and then you can attach the patch right after
[14:56] <Nafai> cool, another patch going upstream!
[14:58] <jpetersen> jcastro, ok i will do
[14:59] <seb128> jcastro, hey
[15:00] <seb128> Nafai, jcastro: g-c-c uploaded now
[15:00] <Nafai> awesome!
[15:00] <Nafai> my first code in the distro!
[15:00] <seb128> ;-)
[15:01] <jcastro> \o/
[15:02] <jcastro> Nafai, seb128, I've also pinged Rodrigo to weigh on g-c-c
[15:04] <jcastro> jpetersen, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609654
[15:04] <ubot4> Gnome bug 609654 in applets "Support for application-indicators/StatusNotifierIcon" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]
[15:04] <jcastro> paste away!
[15:04] <jcastro> jpetersen, Nafai, smithj: I've also edited the workflow page to add the step of adding a "patch" tag in launchpad when you attach the patch.
[15:05] <jpetersen> jcastro, ok
[15:06] <Nafai> saw it :)
[15:07] <jcastro> woo hoo, 3 sent so far!
[15:17] <jpetersen> jcastro, patch attached
[15:17] <jpetersen> so I am off for today :) bye bye
[15:18] <jcastro> thanks!
[15:18] <jcastro> just got your report, woo!
[15:47] <Nafai> Morning jono
[16:20] <GogglesGuy> So how compatible are the two specs (kde status icon vs the gnome one). It seems the "menu" property is a requirement for gnome, but what about kde?
[16:30] <theoraforever> If Google gets a complete API out in time, is there a chance that Google Buzz support might be added to the MeMenu for Lucid?
[16:43] <theoraforever> Buzz isn't exactly mic
[16:43] <theoraforever> roblogging, but it is a "broadcast account".
[16:44] <theoraforever> And so would seem within the scope of the MeMenu.
[16:58] <GogglesGuy> Is there a online version of the dbusmenu spec?
[17:29] <tedg> GogglesGuy: We've added menu support into KDE as a patch, but I don't think it's in the spec yet.
[17:29] <tedg> GogglesGuy: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/spec/
[17:30] <tedg> GogglesGuy: I'd recommend not implementing it though :)  If you've got glib, you can use libdbusmenu-glib which has no GTK deps.
[17:31] <GogglesGuy> tedg: are you expecting the spec to change then?
[17:31] <tedg> GogglesGuy: I don't expect it to change that much, but it's not a simple one to implement.
[17:32] <tedg> GogglesGuy: And I'd always recommend using tested code :)
[17:32] <GogglesGuy> tedg: perhaps the spec is too complicated then if it's not a simple one to implement.
[17:33] <tedg> GogglesGuy: heh, well, if you can recommend things to drop, I'm all for it.  But, the fact of the matter is that menus are complicated :(
[17:33] <tedg> It's not a lot of code, but it gets abused through everything menus do.
[17:35] <GogglesGuy> tedg: Not suggesting that :) I only need a very basic menu 
[17:36] <tedg> GogglesGuy: If you look at any of the indicators (indicator-session is a good one) they create simple menus with dbusmenu-glib
[17:37] <GogglesGuy> Would I need a glib mainloop if I use dbusmenu-glib?
[17:38] <tedg> GogglesGuy: Yeah, you would.
[17:38] <tedg> You really need a mainloop to use dbus.
[17:38] <GogglesGuy> tedg: unfortunately, that would be a no go.
[17:38] <tgpraveen12> hey what does gnome-media indicator mean? i mean what will it show.
[17:38] <tgpraveen12> currently gnome-media does not have any notification icon right?
[17:39] <tedg> tgpraveen12: I believe that entry was talking about the mixer applet.
[17:39] <tedg> GogglesGuy: What mainloop are you using?
[17:40] <tgpraveen12> tedg: mixer applet? u mean sound volume control?
[17:40] <GogglesGuy> I use FOX (www.fox-toolkit.org), and integrated dbus into the FOX event handling system
[17:40] <GogglesGuy> (it's somewhat primitive, but it works for me) :)
[17:44] <Nafai> Just got some good feedback from rodrigo
[17:45] <tedg> GogglesGuy: Wow, hadn't heard of that one.  So yeah, you'll have to implement a dbusmenu-glib like thing.  You could steal the testsuite from dbusmenu, that'd probably help.
[17:45] <tedg> tgpraveen12: I'm not sure.
[17:46] <GogglesGuy> tedg: That's why I like dbus. It makes it really easy to communicate between two totally different applications :)
[18:50] <jono> Nafai, btw, expect #519625: to be fixed today by bratsche, who clearly rocks the house
[18:50] <Nafai> jono: Awesome!  I saw that he changed it to in-progress. :)
[18:50] <jono> :)
[19:19] <bratsche> Nafai: I actually changed it to In Progress only so it's easier to track.  When I'm on my LP homepage there's a box that shows all the stuff that I have in progress.  I wish there were such a box for everything that's assigned to me, that would make things easier.
[19:19] <bratsche> But I'll do it today.
[19:21] <Nafai> Ok :)
[19:21] <Nafai> thanks and let me know if there is anything I can do to help out
[19:29] <Nafai> lunch time!
[20:02] <GogglesGuy> Does the indicator-application service do any logging? It seems to crash whenever I specify a menu...
[20:21] <Nafai> GogglesGuy: Look in ~/.cache/indicator-applet.log
[20:28] <GogglesGuy> Nafai: found that one... nothing usefull though...
[20:29] <Nafai> sorry, that's all I know about it right now :)
[21:57] <Nafai> bratsche, kenvandine: I know today is probably hugely busy for y'all, but if you might have a chance to take a look at the e-mail I sent with questions on how to approach brasero/vino best, especially for upstream, I'd appreciate it
[22:05] <kenvandine> Nafai, in the morning... sorry
[22:05] <kenvandine> busy :/
[22:05] <Nafai> I understand :)
[22:06] <kenvandine> unless someone else can help :)
[22:06] <Nafai> Oh, another thing. :)
[22:06] <Nafai> For someone.  I noticed that the wonderful packages seb128 made didn't have the dependencies updated (neither build-dep or Dependencies) and so appindicator support didn't get compiled in
[22:07] <seb128> urg
[22:07] <seb128> Nafai, fixing that now
[22:07] <seb128> somewhat I took that as a sponsoring request
[22:08] <seb128> applied the patch and uploaded ;-)
[22:08] <Nafai> no, that's okay
[22:08] <Nafai> I realized I wasn't clear
[22:08] <Nafai> Ken was going to fully update the packaging for me
[22:08] <Nafai> If I'm working on things that have packaging branches, i can also provide those in the future for sponsoring purposes if ken gets busy
[22:17] <GogglesGuy> So regarding the application status. I've got a media player that used have the following functionality: left mouse click => toggle visibility of main window. right mouse click => show context menu. Is that still possible with the ApplicationIndicators? If not, what would be the suggested behaviour? 
[22:18] <Nafai> GogglesGuy, Probably add the toggle visibility as a menu item
[22:18] <Nafai> application indicators are designed to be uniform, so they offer only a standard menu you get from left-click
[22:19] <Nafai> Have you seen this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines
[22:22] <GogglesGuy> Yes, I quickly glanced through it. Is KDE going to follow the same standard?
[22:24] <Nafai> My hunch is yes, but I'm not the one to answer that
[22:30] <GogglesGuy> To me it looks like all the usefull functionality was stripped from KDE Application Indicators spec....
[22:31] <Nafai> I don't know anything about the KDE spec.
[22:31] <Nafai> tedg or mpt or jono might be ones to bug about it
[22:41] <seb128> Nafai, those packaging details are things I do all week, I was just doing several things at the same time and didn't stop to think about this one ;-)
[22:42] <Nafai> heh, that's okay.  :)
[22:43] <GogglesGuy> I guess I'm confused now. The actual proposed spec (http://www.notmart.org/misc/statusnotifieritem/) is somewhat different than what https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines describes..
[22:44] <GogglesGuy> or what is being implemented in the application-indicator service.