| mhall119|work | you could always just make a list of pages you want to include, and wget them from the wiki right before release | 00:23 |
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| mhall119|work | do a little URL re-writing so links to other offline pages point to them, while links to pages that weren't downloaded still point to the online wiki | 00:23 |
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| Ahmuck | i like wiki handbooks | 00:43 |
| Ahmuck | where is this wiki? | 00:43 |
| Ahmuck | a button to "update" wiki could be put there? | 00:44 |
| Ahmuck | and using wget just as above? | 00:44 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 02:18 |
| sbalneav | mhall119|work: Yeah, I suppose. I'd like something that's: | 02:20 |
| sbalneav | 1) Simple | 02:20 |
| sbalneav | 2) Doesn't require running a web server on the box to view | 02:20 |
| mhall119|work | if we wget the files, they can just be viewed in a browser | 02:44 |
| mhall119|work | btw, I'm going to try and get my LoCo to do a documentation jam around edu-games for the upcoming global jam | 02:45 |
| sbalneav | Another problem with the wiki idea is: translations. | 03:10 |
| alkisg | Bah we need to disable the "your X isn't configured properly, do you want to reconfigure it" dialog for fat clients... I wonder how that's called | 12:47 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:54 |
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| sbalneav | Dear Scott Balneaves, | 15:05 |
| sbalneav | We are pleased to inform you that you are now part of the GNOME | 15:05 |
| sbalneav | Foundation Membership. | 15:05 |
| sbalneav | \o/ | 15:05 |
| sbalneav | bbiab | 15:05 |
| stgraber | sbalneav: Congrats !!! | 15:14 |
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| highvoltage | sbalneav: awesome!!! well done | 16:37 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav, stgraber, alkisg, nixternal_: | 16:37 |
| highvoltage | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation/Developers | 16:38 |
| highvoltage | first draft based on Kubuntu policy as discussed. so far it's mostly s/kubuntu/edubuntu/g and s/kubuntu-dev/edubuntu-council/g | 16:38 |
| highvoltage | (just made a change so might be good idea to refresh) | 16:41 |
| * stgraber is looking | 16:51 | |
| alkisg | highvoltage: looks fine to me, except maybe that line needs a little explaining? "Able to upload Edubuntu packages" ==> where? | 16:51 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: to main and universe, but yes I'll add that | 16:51 |
| highvoltage | or I'll just say "ubuntu archives" instead | 16:52 |
| stgraber | to Ubuntu archive | 16:52 |
| stgraber | other than that small detail, looks good | 16:53 |
| alkisg | Maybe sometime in the future we'll make another wiki page with the details on how to do that, and link to it? | 16:53 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: you mean the technical details on how to do that? | 16:54 |
| stgraber | that's identical to a regular ubuntu archive upload | 16:54 |
| stgraber | and there's good documentation for that on the wiki already I believe | 16:55 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: afaik dput will automatically know where to upload it to, so we could link to some of the MOTU docs if you're refering to the technical parts | 16:55 |
| alkisg | OK, thanks, I'll search the wiki | 16:55 |
| highvoltage | https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-dev/+members | 16:56 |
| highvoltage | are we going to start over with that group? or keep laserjock? | 16:58 |
| highvoltage | I guess it's also enough just having Edubuntu Council as an administrator? | 17:00 |
| stgraber | I believe the team owner and admins are fine | 17:10 |
| stgraber | we may have to empty it though | 17:11 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: I'm not an admin, could you do that please? | 17:11 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: ? weird, the EC is the owner, you should have the right to | 17:11 |
| stgraber | and the EC is also an admin | 17:11 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: oh right, of course | 17:12 |
| highvoltage | ok I'll empty it because strictly speaking, it should be empty | 17:12 |
| highvoltage | (and we can just re-apply when everything is in place) | 17:12 |
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| nixternal | highvoltage: looks good... | 17:15 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: yep | 17:18 |
| highvoltage | I'm also going to add developer-membership-board as a co-administrator as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation | 17:20 |
| highvoltage | ok invited, anyway :) | 17:21 |
| highvoltage | (and also ubuntu-core-dev) | 17:22 |
| highvoltage | stgraber, nixternal, sbalneav, alkisg: I'll send our request to the TB, is that ok? anything else I should add? | 17:30 |
| highvoltage | TB/Developer Board | 17:31 |
| nixternal | highvoltage: that will work | 17:31 |
| * alkisg agrees even though he doesn't completely understand all of it - but being able to upload to edubuntu packages will be a good thing :) | 17:32 | |
| highvoltage | alkisg: well, basically (and sorry if you allready know/understand this part) the old destinctions of motu's and core-devs are going to be replaced/supplemented (it's all still in progress) so that there is a more fine-grained control over who can upload packages where | 17:33 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: so what we're applying for here is that everyone who are trusted edubuntu developers would be able to upload any Edubuntu package whether it's in universe or main | 17:34 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: where previously you'd have to become a core-dev in order to be able to upload to main | 17:34 |
| alkisg | Ah, got it. I've heard of some of these things, but I didn't get the big picture - thanks for clearing it up! | 17:35 |
| highvoltage | you're welcome | 17:35 |
| alkisg | Hmm fat client users can't authenticate as themselves, because no passwd entry is generated for them | 17:39 |
| alkisg | So they can't even unlock gnome-screensaver | 17:40 |
| * alkisg looks at the LTSP user handling code... | 17:41 | |
| alkisg | Of course we could disable the screen locking, but in general, I think the user should be able to authenticate as himself... | 17:44 |
| sbalneav | highvoltage: Do I have to do something? I just got unsubbed from edubuntu-dev | 17:52 |
| highvoltage | sbalneav: read the scrollback of the last 40 lines or so, we're applying to make the edubuntu-dev a delegate of ubuntu-dev so we need to empty it first | 17:55 |
| alkisg | sbalneav: we got rid of you because you were too good looking and made us look ugly :) | 18:13 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: oh no! look what you did! | 18:14 |
| alkisg | Heh, bad timing :) | 18:14 |
| highvoltage | (probably just a co-incidence :p) | 18:14 |
| highvoltage | alkisg, stgraber, nixternal, Lns: this is what I'm sending: http://paste.ubuntu.com/374126/ | 18:15 |
| highvoltage | sending in 5 mins or so if no one objects :) | 18:15 |
| alkisg | Looks fine | 18:16 |
| Lns | looks good to me =) | 18:16 |
| nixternal | looks good to me | 18:18 |
| highvoltage | sent | 18:24 |
| alkisg | What exactly is allowed after feature freeze? E.g. would a fat client patch for disabling "lock screen" be allowed? | 18:42 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: bug fixes are allowed, so that should be fine | 18:46 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: it's clearly not a feature, at least | 18:46 |
| alkisg | Got it | 18:47 |
| alkisg | Thanks! | 18:47 |
| Lns | Is it possible to take source from someone's PPA (which was packaged for Intrepid+) and build it for Hardy? I really need Audacity to run on my thin clients by Friday...this guy's PPA (https://launchpad.net/~diwic/+archive/ppa/+packages) has one with the pulseaudio fix, but he hasn't built it for hardy | 18:48 |
| alkisg | Lns: doesn't stgraber have audacity on his ppa? | 18:49 |
| alkisg | Ah no, Intrepid... | 18:50 |
| Lns | :( | 18:50 |
| Lns | I don't want my kids to miss out on their first podcasting class :( | 18:50 |
| alkisg | Lns: I can try to copy it to my ppa, I don't know if it will compile | 18:50 |
| alkisg | But if it does, you should be good to go | 18:50 |
| Lns | alkisg: that would be *so* awesome, I would owe you big!! | 18:50 |
| alkisg | Which one do you want me to try? stgraber's or the other guy's? | 18:51 |
| Lns | Well I trust stgraber more than most...so ;) | 18:51 |
| alkisg | k | 18:51 |
| Lns | thank you alkisg !! | 18:51 |
| highvoltage | Lns: if you can get all the build-depends satisfied with the right versions on hardy (or in a chroot or pbuidler) then it's quite easy | 18:51 |
| Lns | highvoltage: yeah - it was depending on some fairly core sound libraries I didn't really want to touch | 18:52 |
| alkisg | Lns: https://launchpad.net/~alkisg/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=hardy | 18:52 |
| Lns | woah!! it's done? | 18:52 |
| alkisg | Nope, it's in queue for compiling | 18:52 |
| Lns | oh. ;) | 18:52 |
| alkisg | If it compiles, you're ok, if not, it'll need some love... | 18:53 |
| Lns | well thank you!! I'll refresh every so often today.. | 18:53 |
| Lns | I compiled the original audacity source on my server yesterday,j all it needed was wxwidgets.. but the sound preferences only gave me options for OSS..I figured i had to modify the makefile, and at that point I had to leave, so... | 18:54 |
| alkisg | apt-get source gets you the source, apt-get build-dep gets you the dependencies, and debuild -b -tc -uc builds it ;) | 18:54 |
| Lns | oh yeah? No modifying anything? No dependancy hell? | 18:56 |
| alkisg | Well if the dependencies are not satisfiable, you'll have to change the sources... | 18:56 |
| alkisg | But in a normal case, with those commands you're able to build a .deb package locally. | 18:57 |
| * Lns needs a good lesson on the more intricate features of apt | 18:59 | |
| alkisg | Lns: failed to build, sorry... | 18:59 |
| Lns | :( | 19:00 |
| Lns | Thanks anyway! | 19:00 |
| alkisg | make[3]: *** [src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.lo] Error 1 | 19:00 |
| alkisg | src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c:1366: error: 'SND_PCM_TSTAMP_ENABLE' undeclared (first use in this function) | 19:01 |
| Lns | hmm | 19:01 |
| Lns | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/10.04/alpha-2/ - latest ISO or no? Wasn't there a much newer version than from jan 14th? | 19:04 |
| Lns | stgraber: any comments on the audacity conversation above? | 19:04 |
| Lns | oh nm, found the latest build | 19:04 |
| Lns | Also, we should look at "bambam" (posted to the list last night about it) and possibly including it in lucid+1 | 19:06 |
| Lns | pretty simple but neat keyboard mashing program for toddlers | 19:07 |
| Lns | http://code.google.com/p/bambam/ | 19:10 |
| alkisg | stgraber: I want to add 2 gconf files (defaults and mandatory settings) for the fat client plugin, e.g. something like this: http://alkisg.pastebin.com/d2cbaea2f | 19:58 |
| alkisg | Should they be packaged as part of e.g. ltsp-client-core, or should they be generated on the fly by the fat client script (which will then be much bigger?) | 19:58 |
| alkisg | /me would prefer the former... | 19:58 |
| alkisg | They'll end up in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/gconf/defaults & mandatory, and I expect them to grow over time... | 20:06 |
| sbalneav | Afternoon all | 20:34 |
| stgraber | alkisg: you can use gconftool-2 to set these instead of writting the xml directly | 20:54 |
| alkisg | stgraber: yes, but wouldn't it be more elegant to provide files instead? | 20:54 |
| stgraber | alkisg: in your case, it'll be 4 gconftool-2 calls instead of writting the whole gconf | 20:54 |
| stgraber | no, because if something else changes gconf, you'd override it. If you use gconftool-2, then it'll merge that with the existing schema | 20:55 |
| stgraber | which is usually a lot better | 20:55 |
| alkisg | By providing files, you can also have priorities (the number) | 20:55 |
| alkisg | By gconftool-2 you just directly modify the database, you don't leave the admin any choice... | 20:56 |
| alkisg | That's why most packages have gconf files instead of code, afaik.. | 20:56 |
| alkisg | I don't mind in either case - I just thought that was the way to go | 20:56 |
| stgraber | hmm, right, I guess we'll have to carry these as part of the ubuntu packaging for now, lacking a better place to put it upstream | 20:57 |
| alkisg | Should I mail them directly to you when I'm done? | 20:58 |
| stgraber | yep | 21:01 |
| alkisg | Thanks! :) | 21:01 |
| stgraber | though the tricky part will be to install them only when running a fat client | 21:01 |
| alkisg | Why? | 21:01 |
| stgraber | or does that also work for regular thin client ? | 21:01 |
| alkisg | Thin clients don't have gconf, so it shouldn't matter if the files are there | 21:02 |
| alkisg | Thin clients with localapps also don't have gconf | 21:02 |
| alkisg | Thin clients with many many localapps which have gconf by an admin's mistake, should also have those gconf files | 21:02 |
| alkisg | So I think we're ok in shipping them in any case... | 21:02 |
| stgraber | ok | 21:02 |
| joerg | hey | 23:58 |
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