[00:04] Riddell: soprano 2.4.0 [00:04] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/394059/soprano_2.4.0%2Bdfsg.1.orig.tar.gz [00:04] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/394059/soprano_2.4.0%2Bdfsg.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [00:04] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/394059/soprano_2.4.0%2Bdfsg.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [00:05] do we have qt 4.6.1 built anywhere? [00:05] In lucid archive and in karmic backport [00:05] Lex79: cool [00:06] I ran qmake --version [00:06] and it shows 4.6.0 [00:06] probly have to install 4.6.1. manually? [00:06] so next problem, how do I upgrade from the ninja PPA packages to the archive ones? :) [00:06] we should not use a or b in future [00:07] we have to use a and b when there are new tars, is needed to upload in ninja [00:08] neversfelde: download the packages from launchapd manually :) [00:08] Lex79: or wait for 4.4.1 :) [00:08] neversfelde: right :) [00:09] shtylman_: if you have karmic, Qt 4.6.1 is in backport ppa, so no need to install manualy, I hope :) [00:11] great job guy's :) (qt 4.6.1 and kde SC 4.4 final) [00:11] Lex79: and for lucid? [00:11] Lex79: nvm [00:12] I had stale package list :) [00:12] ok :) [00:30] here is a question for you - WTF IS THIS -> http://pastebin.ca/1793298 [01:54] apachelogger: got k-f-i all ported to c++ with the only caveat being that it won't load the stylesheet for some reason [01:54] evening [01:54] will be at https://code.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/kubuntu-firefox-installer/cplusplus once it's done being pushed [01:54] 4.4 is in staging correct? [01:59] poor shtylman [02:00] * JontheEchidna hands shtylman a can of reset-by-peer-b-gone [02:00] why poor shtylman? [02:01] his connection keeps resetting [02:02] jesus.... I dunno what is happening [02:02] I think my internet is rebelling [02:04] mine does as well [02:04] shtylman: if you can keep your connection for long enough, could you help me out with a Qt stylesheet problem I'm having please? [02:05] JontheEchidna: sure :) [02:05] * JontheEchidna figures asking the author of the stylesheet is a good bet ;-) [02:05] indeed [02:05] shtylman: I'm setting the stylesheet in main.cpp: https://code.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/kubuntu-firefox-installer/cplusplus [02:06] but stderr sez: "Could not parse application stylesheet" [02:07] right [02:07] cause what you want to do is not give it a filename [02:07] but actually the contents of the file [02:07] so you are gonna need to read the file [02:07] aah [02:07] into a string [02:07] :q [02:07] the ruby file had a .read thingy attached to the end of the filename [02:08] * shtylman makes note... konversation is not vim... [02:08] *ruby method [02:08] yea [02:08] that reads the file (iirc) [02:08] I thought that was just rubyness [02:08] don't know much about the ruby bindings tho [02:08] thanks [02:08] np [02:08] just in time :D [02:09] [21:08:45] <-- shtylman has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [02:09] [21:08:53] just in time :D [02:09] yea :) [02:09] I need to investigate this... but after food [02:15] whoa... black background with the stylesheet. interesting [02:17] ah, needed to apply debian/patches [02:17] yay, it all works now \o/ [02:17] apachelogger: ^ [02:24] I ran kde trunk today... feels faster [02:24] good improvements going into that too [02:25] I'm looking forward to the krunner optimizations [02:26] yea... everything feels more responsive [02:26] might just have been me imagining things tho :) [02:36] Quintasan: Sorry been out. What does the new runner do? [03:49] according to kubuntu.org kde 4.4 is at backports but not updating for me [05:23] after updating to 4.4 final from the 4.4RC I'm not getting a login screen.just garbled 8bit looking graphics. [07:23] JontheEchidna: sweet, now we just need to establish a do-not-create-apps-in-script-languages-policy :) [07:42] * jussi01 hugs those responsible for packaging 4.4 into the ppa, now I have 4.4 to show at the release party tonight :) [07:58] lovelyness [07:58] debian/rules:3: /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk: No such file or directory [07:59] I hope that I mentioned how silly those static paths are [07:59] who wants a tiny packaging bug in the ppa? [07:59] Unpacking replacement kdebase-workspace-data ... [07:59] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): [07:59] trying to overwrite '/usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.kde.ksysguard.processlisthelper.policy', which is also in package ksysguard 4:4.3.95-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 [07:59] ehm [08:00] that is interesting [08:01] neversfelde: maybe we fixed it the wrong way around [08:07] jussi01: would you mind installing libdb-ruby1.8 on jussi01.com? [08:08] apachelogger: coming right up. [08:08] jussi01: and pkg-kde-tools [08:08] * apachelogger cant fix the remaining file conflicts in the 4.4 backport with hospital traffic limtations :) [08:11] apachelogger: you can also ask tsimpson for anything on jussi01.com - he has full rights on there to do whatever is needed. [08:13] apachelogger: done :) [08:18] jussi01: thx [08:18] kubotu: hi [08:18] hey, apachelogger [08:18] neversfelde: oh my, indeed we replaced the wrong way around [08:18] -data needs to replace ksysgyard really [08:23] is nepomuk/strigi supposed to be full functional now? meaning is the tag database actually searchable in dolphin and gwenview? [08:25] harolddong: it should have already been working before KDE 4.4 [08:30] oh my [08:30] does the workspace diff need to be that big :S [08:32] jussi01, neversfelde: fix (hopefully) uploaded [08:38] I got an nvidia card. gtx 260. usiing nvidia binary driver 190.53 and 195.30 (now). effect performance has regressed in 4.4 from the ppa on a clean upgrade from 9.10. anyhow. im not here for support. anybody want to try and figure out my window tab grouping bug? [08:39] I don't expect support. but I can walk you through how the bug affects me? [08:39] vbgunz: you probably should talk to mgraesslin_ about that [08:39] and probably in #kwin if there is such a channel [08:40] ok [08:40] there is such a channel [08:40] and we received a bug report about it [08:40] mgraesslin_: is that you? [08:40] oh ok [08:40] it could be the animation in Oxygen decoration [08:40] is it in regards to automatic window grouping by same app? [08:41] mgraesslin_: And I don't know what you guys did in #kwin but kwin stopped killing all movement in X for me since RC2 [08:41] no I meant the effect performance [08:41] WEll so far [08:41] yeah effect performance got shot badly :( I don't expect support for the record *but* supposedly if you guys are up for it, I can try and let ya know whats happening? [08:42] anyhow, I have a window grouping issue in 4.4 [08:42] that you better ask in #kwin, as I have no idea about it [08:42] I have windows grouping automatically by app. it appears, once the second app is launched, the entire group becomes sort of borked [08:42] the menu options work though from the taskbar [08:44] I figure I do my good deed for the day. KDE 4.4 at this rate, I'll be doing good deeds for maybe weeks :) [08:47] nixternal: aaaargh, I blame you, I have an idea for next pic, perhaps something we can use for april (: [09:32] there you have it, good that we did not deploy the old crappy facebook kopete plugin :P\ [09:32] now facebook supports jabber and the old crappy plugin can be ported to become an overlay for the regular jabber plugin [09:32] muhahaha [09:32] apachelogger: ? [09:32] unity [09:32] http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php [09:32] yay! [09:33] great news [09:33] IMHO it really is time that kopete implements some magic to create overlays for existing plugins [09:33] so you can have a google talk and facebook in your list but both are just overlays for jabber and provide the necessary config defaults [09:47] apachelogger: provide me some funding (even small one do) just to silence my wife and I'll see what I can do (: === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [11:26] hey apachelogger [11:27] Oooo Facebook chat in Kopete - nice [11:27] Good ole' Jabber! [11:39] Trouble_: kopete-facebook? [11:45] freeflying: Not any more [11:46] Facebook supports Jabber now, and it works in Kopete! [11:46] Trouble_: how to do? [11:47] freeflying: http://old.nabble.com/Kopete-with-Facebook-XMPP-td27539606.html [11:48] Trouble_: thx [11:49] np! [11:50] Tm_T: I do have two mommies? [11:51] apachelogger: from now on, yes [11:51] talking about funding, if we had the resources, I would get us some sweet server to work remote on [11:51] would speed up uploads a lot :D [11:51] Tm_T: cool [11:52] apachelogger: you really should stay in dinner table longer and without earplugs [11:52] apparently I should [11:53] but for now I seek answer to the question of who will package rekonq 0.4 [11:53] 0.3.90 even [11:59] apachelogger: rekonq is not in sid? so we upload to ubunut repositary directly? [12:02] I doubt we want to upload a pre-release to the archives :P [12:02] more like beta ppa or something [12:10] apachelogger: I'll merge my c++ branch with trunk then :) [12:11] aighto [12:11] JontheEchidna: I hope you QAed :P [12:11] I went through an actual install [12:12] omg [12:12] that said [12:12] apachelogger: oh, I couldn't get KProcess to work with that --desktop file option for kdesudo. it kept thinking that all arguments after --desktop were meant for kdesudo [12:12] does firefox replace kfi yet? [12:12] so I just invoked the /usr/bin/kubuntu-firefox-installer [12:12] asked asac to introduce that the other day [12:13] JontheEchidna: --desktop is essential, otherwise kdesudo looks like the lord of crap and his evil minnions [12:13] JontheEchidna: so you better find a way to get that working :P [12:17] are the current lucid isos installable? (launchpad is down so I cannot see if the ubiquity python bug was fixed) [12:18] weh, getting that command to work will be fun [12:19] * JontheEchidna heads off to campus [12:27] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226263#c2 <- could it be that the "plasma-desktop" package is not installed during the KDESC4.4 upgrade ? [12:27] KDE bug 226263 in general "Plasma crash after KDE 4 4 upgrade in Kubuntu" [Crash,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo] === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [13:24] * jussi01 dances, I have maemo running here :D [13:34] Is there a schism between the versioning of the QtCurve on kde-look.org and the packages in the repositories, or is ours just old? kde-look.org has 1.0.2 (updated Feb 1) whereas our (lucid) packages are at 0.69.2. [13:42] Hello all, it seems all bug reports about kubuntu are now flagged invalid and must be reported to kdebugs instead, is this the new kubuntu bug reporting policy ? [13:45] nope [13:45] all kde bugs must be reported to kdebugs [13:46] whereas kubuntu bugs must be reported as such [13:46] ok so why is there in all kde application a trap to report bugs to lauchpad ? why not let them go to kdebugs instead [13:47] that is changed for lucid [13:47] it was a trial in karmic [13:47] humm that's better then :) [13:47] the bug triager did not like it [13:47] but pretty confusing [13:47] can we get rekonq 0.4 pretty please? [13:47] this could at least have wait for lucid real users [13:48] changing the policy in the middle of release life cycle without any warning is confusing :) [13:48] apachelogger: has that been discussed with KDE bugsquad people, like Dario Andres? [13:49] so its useless to declare kde bugs in launchpad even if I link them to kdebugs reports? [13:49] sebas: it was default up until karmic anyway [13:50] apachelogger: ah, still, Dario usually has good input on that [13:50] I'll tel jonny to talk to dario :) [13:50] PascalFR: if it's an upstream bug, it's not useful indeed [13:50] apachelogger: word :) [13:50] * apachelogger is wondering why plasma-desktop is not installed and suspects some meta package insanity [13:51] sebas: yes but I would avoid double work of reporting bugs if I knew not to report bugs in launchpad [13:51] only report kubuntu bugs in launchpad :P [13:51] if you're sure it's an upstream bug, file it upstream, otherwise launchpad I'd think [13:52] unsure -> launchpad, please :) [13:52] humm ok ok [13:52] i'll annoy kde teams first :) [13:52] rejection is lower there :) [13:52] bug rejection [13:53] PascalFR: that's not the point, bugreporters aren't exactly happy with downstream bugs [13:53] eeh, bug triagers [13:53] maybe [13:54] seems that there a re a lot more problems wehn upgrading from 4.3.5 to 4.4 [13:54] i'm not a dummy user rather very advanced but I imagine average bug reporters cannot themselves determine if an incident's origin is from kubuntu or kde [13:55] sebas: that does not work at large, kubuntu got one triager right now, so if all bugs would go launchpad there would be like 300000 unhappy kde users because kubuntu doesnt get the bugs triaged [13:55] though in the long run the idea is to get more triagers and pipe everything through launchpad [13:55] apachelogger: only unsure ones [13:55] neversfelde: I would imagine so [13:55] neversfelde: what other problems are there [13:56] sebas: for a regular user everything is unsure ;) [13:56] we should really do more testing [13:56] apachelogger: that's an obligation that comes with patching upstream packages IMO [13:56] sebas: besides, even unsure might be downstream due to silly patching and stuff [13:56] apachelogger: http://forum.kubuntu-de.org/index.php?topic=13405.msg92762;topicseen#new [13:56] that's my point [13:56] sebas: hence I am all for a super restrictive patch policy :D [13:56] see the posts from Vadamir and PTS [13:56] apachelogger: yea, "none" would be preferable :) [13:57] I've been getting a bt last night about a plasma crasher with functions and linenumbers that aren't even there [13:57] humm [13:57] * apachelogger is all against touching plasma for that matter :P [13:57] Not funny if I have to spend my free time on code someone else has altered without me being sure about that [13:57] (It was not kubuntu, though) [13:58] so if lucid do not divert bug reports to kubuntu it will be ok [13:58] neversfelde: it is not about more testing, but about broader testing, I explained that to Xand3r yesterday, for a new kde release there are at least 3 test upgrade scenarios [13:58] in fact there would be one for each version that was deployed between backport target's kde and the new one [13:59] apachelogger: btw, do you get nepomuk search results? [13:59] I don't, completely reindexed my files, nepomuk and everything's running correctly it seems [13:59] with the 4.4.0 packages [14:00] hm [14:00] dont get no results either [14:00] brrr. :/ [14:01] That sucks. Nepomuk in 4.4 is utterly cool [14:01] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(1709)" Error in thread 3075345264 : "SQLExecDirect failed on query 'sparql select distinct ?r where { { { ?r ?v1 ?v2 . ?v2 bif:contains "'blah*'" . } UNION { ?r ?v1 ?v3 . ?v3 ?v4 ?v2 . ?v4 . ?v2 bif:contains "'blah*'" . } . { ?r a ?v5 . ?v5 .semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nfo#FileDataObject> . } UNION { ?r a ?v6 . ?v6 . } . } . }' (iODBC Error: [OpenLink][Virtuoso iODBC Driver][Virtuoso Server]SQ200: Table referenced in contains does not have a text index)" [14:01] sebas: I think in Gentoo we figured out that we need to build redland with iodbc (but without virtuoso) support to make things work [14:01] sweetness [14:02] Sput: ah ... I hope some packaging guru listens :) [14:02] apachelogger: that's a known problem, you're sure you have the latest kdebase? [14:02] it has a last minute bugfix [14:02] not saying that's not the case in kubuntu, I have no idea how it's packaged there :) but we did have the problem of all searches silently failing if iodbc wasn't present in redland [14:03] virtuosoconverter probably needs to reindex that [14:03] or you nuke your index and start anew (not nice, but should work) [14:03] hm. virtuosoconverter works for you guys? [14:03] ah headache :D [14:03] Sput: would be good if someone checked though [14:03] we haven't found anybody who got it working [14:03] it worked for me the second time [14:03] I've got it working with source installs on my kubuntu [14:03] neversfelde: vadarmir's issue is a corner case, easily fixed ... qt 3 conflicts qt 4, so the dbg packges should conflict and replace [14:04] for me it started the old virtuoso, but didn't continue to do anything [14:04] the conversion doesn't happen automatically [14:04] that whole virtuoso stuff is so sad [14:04] Hm, it's nice weather, I could walk to the shop [14:04] well, I get a popup with a progress bar in "undecided" mode [14:04] so [14:05] sebas: how to invoke the conversion, just disable nepomuk and run virtuosoconverter? [14:05] * Sput needs to file knetworkmanager bugs [14:05] apachelogger: actually, it makes nepomuk really usable (modulo setup problems) [14:05] how was that? kill nepomuk, run converter, start nepomuk, get happy? [14:05] markus___: yes, essentially [14:05] make sure virtuoso-t is not running [14:05] ah [14:05] sebas: so, ive to kill it? [14:05] sebas: yes, it makes nepomuk faster, but my machine slower :P [14:05] or not start it, depends on your situation right now :D [14:05] we have [14:06] mysql for akonadi [14:06] virtuoso for nep [14:06] mysql embedded for amarok [14:06] apachelogger: that's the beauty, I don't notice *any* slowdown due to it [14:06] akonadi and nepomuk might share storage in the future [14:06] hopefully [14:06] and amarok could use nepomuk really [14:07] s/could/should/ [14:07] I recon bangarang is coming along quite nicely [14:07] would solve the issue of lack of capable db devs :/ [14:07] and/or the current mess in the codebase [14:07] hmmm... [14:08] * Sput just figured out that the nm applet *does* work, it just has stopped loading its kded module automatically again [14:08] ehm [14:08] that used to work [14:08] sebas: converter says that I am already at database format 6 [14:08] apachelogger: if you wouldn't be, the error would've be different [14:09] virtuoso clearly states that it won't start up due to the database being too old in that case, not fail with obscure sparql errors [14:09] oh my [14:09] headache [14:10] sebas: ps aux shows no nepomuk and virtuoso. virtuosoconverter says Could not find a valid Virtuoso installation (same output on three different machines all running rc2 before the upgrade) [14:10] apachelogger: yeah, you need to start with v5 db layout obviously [14:10] which assumes you have backups, which you probably don't. D'oh! [14:10] nuke! [14:10] :D [14:10] where is my data [14:10] markus___: I haven't tried the packaged vconverter, so dunno [14:11] .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/... [14:11] there it goes [14:12] sebas: ok, thanks :-/ [14:19] sebas: if I delete everything in .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/... , will nepomuk and strigi build a full new database and index? [14:19] yes [14:19] sebas: then i'll do that [14:19] You lose your tags and index though [14:19] sebas: thats ok [14:20] sebas; thanks [14:20] yeah, but it's not good to not mention it [14:20] ;-) [14:20] like in that blogentry: How to make Nepomuk work? - delete your data ... URGH. [14:20] lol [14:32] sebas: even after rebuilding the repository I still cant search... I suppose our packages are missing that kdebase patch [14:40] I saw some people complaining about a not starting kontact. Probably kdepim should be uploaded: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu [14:44] sebas: that it does not seem to be :S [14:53] can someone set bug 507990 to Won't fix again? [14:53] Launchpad bug 507990 in kdepim "Please include the old Kaddress book in KDE SC 4.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507990 [14:54] seems that I cannot do this. Which team do I have to join for it? [14:54] neversfelde: I would be very much tempted to ask for that, too [14:55] the new one is just not usable [14:55] the layout is a disaster [14:57] Mamarok: there is imho no way a distro can change this, probably best to use 4.3 until 4.5 arrives, if kadressbook is unusable for you in 4.4 [14:57] just updated to kde 4.4 and enjoying it [14:57] great job guys [14:57] neversfelde: I know, send this report upstream :) [14:59] to be honest, I am not happy with the new kaddressbook, too :) [15:02] * sebas notes that the bugreport is crap, too unspecific to fix [15:02] apachelogger: do you still get the missing text index error in your nepomukserver output? [15:02] that one is indeed fixed with a last-minute patch [15:02] I still don't get results, though, but also not the 'missing index' error [15:06] no, dont have the error anymore [15:07] need to look at it in detail [15:08] neversfelde, Mamarok: it is no report, it is whining IMHO [15:09] apachelogger: I didn't even look at it :) [15:10] oh wellz [15:10] gotta rest a bit [15:25] apachelogger: you're one problem further then :) [15:26] same as mine now, let's hug [16:59] hey [16:59] am I the only one who gets a knotes crash on close ? === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [17:14] Tm_T: what are you blaming me for? [17:15] nixternal: I have whacky idea, will tell later as soon as daughter is in sleep [17:16] groovy :) === jonathan__ is now known as jjesse [17:58] Helo JontheEchidna [17:59] JontheEchidna: I have recibed some messages from Launchpad, Launchpad thinks I have added Spanish translation templates to Kubuntu-notification-helper [17:59] EagleScreen: yeah, it's dumb like that. [17:59] what happened? [17:59] this is its first upload since it was moved to main, so it thinks that whoever uploads the package gets credit for the new template imports [18:00] oh [18:00] i have seen that Spanish .po is added, but it is incomplete [18:00] did you translate it? [18:01] what little I could, yes [18:02] it's not my first language [18:02] i can send you more complete translation tomorrow, Spanish is my native languaje. [18:03] if you only want the .po i can send it now, if you need a bazr diff patch, i will do it tomorrow [18:04] EagleScreen: The .po is fine. Thanks for translating :) [18:04] ok, will send to your mail now [18:06] thanks [18:39] JontheEchidna: btw in case you see a lot of "Amarok crashes on start since I upgraded to KDE 4.4", this is most likela a 3rd-party script causing problem. See also bug 219441 upstream [18:39] Launchpad bug 219441 in lazr.restful "Every resource that supports GET should also support HEAD" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219441 [18:40] nope, that one: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219441 [18:40] silly ubottu [18:40] KDE bug 219441 in general "Crashes all the time, after update to KDE 4 4 Beta" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [18:41] oo, javascript crashes. not fun [18:41] thanks. I'll keep my eyes out for that one [18:41] erasing $HOME/.kde/share/config/amarokrc or editing it to disable UltimateLyrics script does the trick [18:43] also the script is already fixed in http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Ultimate+Lyrics?content=108967 [18:43] so idealy people shoul upgrade the script before ;) [18:44] should* [19:08] hi i would like to report bug where after 4.4 upgrade just before login screen everything goes black and it is not possible to login. lot of people /if not all/ with similar problem discuss this problem on kubuntu channel now. what files shall I include in report on bugs.kde.org? [19:16] Riddell: what should we do about that ethais merge? [19:52] shtylman: we should merge it [19:52] shtylman: actually aren't you a kubuntu member? [19:52] Riddell: no idea... I don't think I am [19:53] Riddell: I agree we should merge it... it says there is a conflict tho [19:53] which seems weird to me [19:53] shtylman: seems you're not a member [19:54] right [19:54] im working on that process :) [19:55] seele_: so I still need to think up something to talk about? [20:06] Riddell: commited to playground/base the print code, the queue needs just a few addons.. :) [20:07] is this the start of some new printer dialog goodness? [20:07] no [20:07] ;( [20:07] new printer-applet [20:07] ahh [20:08] thats good too :) [20:08] "* Split kdelibs5 into separate library packages" Debian makes like difficult [20:08] dantti: still need kstatusnotifieritem portage? [20:08] JontheEchidna: sure, I don't have kded 4.4 on debian, but you can start working on it if you like [20:09] JontheEchidna: try that code to see the queue there also a README to ilustrate how I plan for things to comunicate.. [20:10] hmm, I guess websvn needs a few minutes to update so that I can see which dir it is [20:10] JontheEchidna: /playground/base/print-manager [20:10] thx [20:11] got to go home now [20:11] cya guys later.. [20:31] Riddell: yes [20:34] seele: this being a restaurant type place will I just be standing at the end of a table talking without projector? [20:35] Riddell: yeah.. although it is more like a cafe than a restaurant. Justin's laptop has a 15in screen and maybe someone will have a larger screen if you want [20:35] also he just did a fresh install with the 4.4 upgrade that you can show off [20:36] can someone have a look at this https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu. I saw at least one report, that the patch I added is not working. No problems here, so I am not sure. [20:36] propably I made a mistake somewhere [20:43] hmmm upgrading to 4.4 wants to install 4.3.5-0ubuntu1~karmic1 versions of bindings [20:43] is that safe? [20:43] and kdetoys and ktux are held back [20:43] it's nonsensicle [20:43] looks like it yes [20:46]