[00:00] <virtuald> so i guess it doesn't really need a manpage then
[00:00] <crimsun> depends how pedantic you wish to be, which is why I recommended the above sequence
[00:00] <crimsun> I'll happily review a patch if you submit one
[00:01] <virtuald> ok
[00:01] <virtuald> is it based on the old alsa-base init script?
[00:02] <crimsun> it /is/ the old alsa-base initscript
[00:02] <virtuald> ok
[00:03] <BUGabundo> crimsun: back. that didn't work very well... it killed half my running apps. restarted the laptop, everything fine now
[00:05] <crimsun> BUGabundo: _force_- anything doesn't imply graciously
[00:05] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:14] <virtuald> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic
[00:14] <virtuald> cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[00:14] <virtuald> anyone seen this?
[00:17] <RAOF> Yes, it's still bug 519855
[00:17] <kklimonda> virtuald, bug 519855
[00:17] <virtuald> thank you
[00:19] <virtuald> oh i'm using se.archive i guess that's why it hits me
[00:20] <virtuald> so i guess i just ln -s...dpkg...rm firmware.sh
[00:21] <crimsun> um
[00:21] <crimsun> or you could read the topic :-)
[00:22] <virtuald> hehe you never expect there to be anything interesting
[00:23] <crimsun> I changed it twice today explicitly because of the udev issue
[00:23] <virtuald> o.o
[00:25] <virtuald> i'd like to see shorter topics
[00:26] <crimsun> for what rationale?
[00:26] <crimsun> I always place important topics near the beginning
[00:26] <virtuald> tl;dr
[00:27] <crimsun> even with a screenreader, it's pretty efficient
[00:27] <virtuald> i'm in lots of channels there's a lot of noise
[00:28] <crimsun> sure. I'm in over three hundred, so I know the pain.
[00:28] <virtuald> i'm not in that many
[00:29] <kklimonda> crimsun, 300 irc channels?
[00:29] <virtuald> 30 is a lot to me
[00:29] <virtuald> crimsun: and you still get work done. amazing.
[00:30] <crimsun> virtuald: I mostly ignore people to get work done. It also helps that my day job is completely walled off, so I don't need to worry about irc. :-)
[00:31] <virtuald> crimsun: you don't work with computers?
[00:38] <xTheGoat121x> Question: the new "MeMenu" that I've read articles on... is it working?
[00:41] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:46] <xTheGoat121x> Then the next question is, is there any way to install it on Karmic?
[01:02] <coz_> so what's the deal now with plymouth?   has any fix been done with nvidia ?
[01:17] <coz_> anyone have an agp nvidia and tried to enable fastwrites and sba?   It doens work here
[01:19] <MWisBest> I have a problem. There's this ugly transparent CPU monitor thing in the upper right corner of my screen. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the whole "virtuoso-server" package thing. How do I get rid of it? Also, I'm in Kubuntu, and it's NOT a widget.
[01:21] <yofel> MWisBest: can't think of anything right now, can you get a screenshot?
[01:21] <MWisBest> How do I get a screenshot?
[01:22] <yofel> MWisBest: use ksnapshot
[01:22] <yofel> and then
[01:22] <yofel> !pastebin | MWisBest
[01:24] <MWisBest> I have the snapshot saved. Then what do I do?
[01:25] <yofel> MWisBest: see the imagebin link ubottu gave you
[01:26] <yofel> MWisBest: (and make sure there's no private information in the screenshot)
[01:26] <MWisBest> http://imagebin.org/84299
[01:27] <MWisBest> I'll be right back.
[01:29] <MWisBest> I'm back.
[01:31] <MWisBest> yofel: Any ideas?
[01:32] <yofel> nope, I've never seen anything like it, but if it's virtuoso related then I can't help as I can't get virtuoso to work here
[01:32] <MWisBest> Do you get like a, dependency loop error when you try to install it?
[01:33] <yofel> yes, remove all virtuoso packages, install virtuoso-nepomuk, then the other packages will install fine
[01:34] <MWisBest> Well I've uninstalled virtuoso...
[01:34] <MWisBest> All of it.
[01:35] <rww> What's the smartest way to obtain Kubuntu 10.04 right now? Installing from an Alpha 2 ISO and updating, or is there a daily CD somewhere or something?
[01:36] <yofel> there are dailies
[01:36] <MWisBest> The daily CD would be the best bet. That's how I got mine.
[01:36] <yofel> !daily
[01:36] <yofel> now to get the kubunt link...
[01:36] <MWisBest> Alpha 2 wouldn't fit on a CD, so I looked around and the daily build was 699MB that day.
[01:36] <yofel> rww: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:37] <rww> yofel: Ah, thank you :)
[01:37] <yofel> heh, the amd64 iso is oversized again ^^
[01:37] <rww> no problem, I'll just throw it through usb-creator and USB it.
[01:38] <MWisBest> I wonder how they're ever gonna fit all this onto a CD. I mean my main distro, Mepis, is barely getting 4.3.4 on a CD.
[01:38] <MWisBest> Now that it's 4.4.0 for Kubuntu... eww.
[02:43] <billybigrigger_> hey all
[02:43] <billybigrigger_> anyone here have any luck connecting an ipod touch to lucid?
[02:44] <billybigrigger_> or karmic for that matter i gues
[02:44] <billybigrigger_> guess
[03:30] <alex_mayorga> Hi, I've got this at boot "/ filesystem has errors [SIFM]" has my HD passed away?
[03:31] <arand> alex_mayorga: time to fsck?
[03:33] <alex_mayorga> arand, how-to?
[03:33] <arand> sudo touch /forcefsck
[03:33] <arand> then reboot
[03:33] <nigel_nb> whats the rhythmbox version on lucid?
[03:34] <nigel_nb> 0.12x ?
[03:34] <arand> !info rhythmbox
[03:34] <nigel_nb> thanks arand :)
[03:35] <alex_mayorga> arand, thanks, but when I go into recovery the screen goes blank, due to noveau I believe
[03:37] <arand> alex_mayorga: recovery opption in boot menu?
[03:38] <alex_mayorga> now it's "UNEXPECTED INCONSITENCY run fsck manually", looks rather screwed
[03:38] <arand> alex_mayorga: do you get a shell there?
[03:38] <alex_mayorga> no, no shell, just failed mountall
[03:39] <arand> alex_mayorga: then run "fsck -fy /dev/sd##" from a livecd and hope for the best.
[03:39] <alex_mayorga> all the ttys are unresponsive at that point
[03:39] <alex_mayorga> let me try that
[03:40] <alex_mayorga> arand: thanks, I just have 9.10 Live CDs, does it matter?
[03:41] <arand> alex_mayorga: as long as it supports the filesystem it should be fine.
[03:41] <arand> alex_mayorga: Did you by ny chance do any hard shutdowns lately?
[03:43] <alex_mayorga> no that I can think of, all with shutdown menu
[03:45] <arand> alex_mayorga: Ah, I just managed to completely hoose an ext4 system with shutdowns that way, kind of scary..
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> does 9.10 support ext4?
[03:47] <rww> yes
[03:47] <arand> alex_mayorga: yea, even jaunty does
[03:47] <arand> 9.10 installs ext4 by default even
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> arand: there are sda, sda1, sda2 and sda5 which is the one I should pick?
[03:54] <arand> alex_mayorga: sudo fdisk -l should tell you which is the root "/" ext4
[03:54] <arand> Or simply have a look in gparted
[03:56] <alex_mayorga> 0.2% non-contigous, reboot?
[03:56] <alex_mayorga> it was sda1 it seems
[03:57] <arand> It should say "Filesystem was modified!!" and something, that should be finished then
[03:58] <alex_mayorga> yep, it does
[03:58] <alex_mayorga> cross fingers and restart? anything else that might help?
[03:59] <arand> alex_mayorga: not that I know of, I guess you could mount the partiton and look at it from the liveCD, if you wanted...
[04:01] <alex_mayorga> arnad: it booted again, thanks I owe you :)
[04:01] <alex_mayorga> now that I remember before I shutdown last time transmission was complaining /home was not writable, is that a clue?
[04:04] <arand> alex_mayorga: That most likely means "/" and hence /home (assuming you ahve them both on one partiton/filesystem), has been seeing errors, and hece have been remounted to read-only as a safety precaution..
[04:07] <foxbuntu> hey all, anyone here work with clutter?
[04:07] <arand> The filesystem goes acko-whacko, and the kernel responds with "fsck you, I ain't touching that"
[04:07] <alex_mayorga> arand: just confirming the toshiba drive on this vaio laptop is a lemon, thanks again, really appreciate your help
[04:07] <foxbuntu> I am trying to get clutter-cairo for lucid
[04:08] <arand> alex_mayorga: make sure you backup important stuff on the partition in question, should next time not be as lucky :)
[04:09] <alex_mayorga> arand: luckyly I don't have anything important in the computer :)
[04:10] <arand> alex_mayorga: Since you're running alpha, you'd better not :D
[04:10] <alex_mayorga> or so I believe, I certainly need one of those 1TB external disks just for fun, not toshiba, thats for sure
[04:10] <alex_mayorga> arand, so very true :)
[04:34] <Amaranth> I wonder what happened to clutter-cairo...
[04:35] <Amaranth> I think they may have just rolled it into the main clutter library...
[04:52] <F40PH> !ops
[04:59] <IngForigua> Hello
[04:59] <RAOF> Hello #ubuntu+1.  Who'd like to help me test for some Banshee crashes!
[05:00] <IngForigua> Someone try a open a pdf file with a password on evince and it crash?
[05:01] <crimsun> RAOF: I'd love to, but I'm completely the wrong person as I'm running master HEAD ;)
[05:01] <RAOF> No, that's fantastic.
[05:01] <crimsun> oh, ok. Have at it, then...
[05:01] <RAOF> Try to play a video in Banshee.  Any video.
[05:02] <crimsun> nice
[05:02] <crimsun> yeah, that's kinda boomish.
[05:02] <RAOF> Ok, so, that crashes due to gtk client-side windows.  Good.
[05:03] <RAOF> Now, let's try again, but setting the GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=yes environment variable.
[05:03] <RAOF> The video won't crash now, but I'd like you to try switching between video, starting a new song, and then going back to the “now playing” tab for the album art display.
[05:04] <RAOF> If it's anything like my copy of banshee, *that* will crash (eventually) in some impossible part of Cairo.
[05:06] <crimsun> any estimate on when it might crash? song change? after seeking forward some amount?
[05:07] <RAOF> Start playing some video, which'll take you to now-playing.  Then start some other song so there's a change in the now-playing display to the track information + coverart.
[05:07] <crimsun> interestingly enough, starting banshee-1 from a Terminal without GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=yes nondeterministically allows me to play the video
[05:08] <RAOF> It's the wonders of threading.
[05:08] <RAOF> Sometimes gdk doesn't die when you call gdk_x11_window_ensure_native in a random thread.
[05:09] <RAOF> Or possibly sometimes gstreamer picks the gdk thread as the thread to first call the relevent bit of banshee.
[05:10] <crimsun> well, playing the video definitely switches to now-playing, but selecting another song (and playing it) doesn't switch automatically. Is the latter supposed to switch automatically?
[05:11] <RAOF> You'll need to switch back to now-playing manually.
[05:11] <RAOF> And the crash should occur as it tries to switch back.
[05:11] <RAOF> (Eventually; this sometimes takes a couple of goes for me)
[05:11] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure the relevant transition is video->coverart
[05:12] <crimsun> can't reproduce it here, unfortunately
[05:13] <crimsun> I should amend that to "can't reproduce it here yet"
[05:13] <RAOF> Heh.
[05:13] <RAOF> Are you on i386 or x86-64?
[05:13] <crimsun> the latter.
[05:14] <RAOF> While you're here, want to test a patch to make deterministicly play video? :)
[05:15] <crimsun> -EPARSE
[05:15] <RAOF> IE: to fix the nondeterministic crashes in playing video.
[05:16] <RAOF> To make it work without GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS
[05:16] <crimsun> I can try in about 40 minutes
[05:17] <crimsun> lemme know round about then if you still need me to
[05:17] <RAOF> Ok.
[05:20] <DanaG> oh yeah, is all this fancy new rgba stuff what makes even static Flash objects hammer the cpu?
[05:33] <cwillu> DanaG, some days I think you'd be happier running redhat 5
[05:33] <cwillu> :)
[05:34] <DanaG> Bleh.
[05:34] <DanaG> Yum?  Yuck.  Bleh.
[05:34] <cwillu> it doesn't have the fancy new * stuff that makes * crappy :)
[05:42] <anniky> I just upgraded from karmic to lucid last night, and this morning networkmanager doesn't seem to want to work at all
[05:42] <anniky> I can't even connect with an ethernet cable
[05:42] <anniky> anyone know where I should start?
[05:43] <cwillu> anniky, dhclient from a terminal?
[05:43] <cwillu> start with doing things by hand
[05:43] <cwillu> you'll either succeed where the tool didn't (and thereby have an excellent guide to what the tool did wrong), or you'll fail (in which case you'll probably know why the tool failed :p)
[05:43] <anniky> right.. I tried ifconfig, forgot about dhclient
[05:44] <anniky> it worked, thanks
[05:45] <anniky> ok, next step. the network-manager daemon is up and running, but knetworkmanager is reporting "Network Management Disabled"
[05:45] <anniky> maybe I'll try nm-applet
[05:45] <cwillu> check if dbus is running
[05:46] <anniky> two instances of dbus-daemon
[05:46] <anniky> one of dbus-launch
[05:47] <anniky> ok, nm-applet also said networking disabled, but it allowed me to start it
[05:47] <anniky> so I guess that means that knetworkmanager has some problem?
[05:52] <anniky> hrmm... konversation is no longer part of kubuntu-desktop?
[05:53]  * anniky is now naught101
[05:53] <rww> anniky: correct. Quassel replaced it.
[05:53] <naught101> ok, cool
[05:53] <crimsun> RAOF: sorry, going to have to beg out this time. Have some high priority errands.
[05:54] <RAOF> crimsun: That's just fine.
[05:54] <rww> naught101: intrepid was the last version with Konversation in kubuntu-desktop
[05:54] <RAOF> crimsun: It's bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590085 if you want to chase it later.
[05:59] <naught101> rww: oh, right... soory, been under a rock :)
[06:22] <syn-ack> Hrm, I'm trying to file a bug against the trackpad driver, would anyone know which package is responsible for that off the top of their head?
[06:25] <rww> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, or something like that
[07:37] <crimsun> RAOF: ok, thanks
[07:46] <ZykoticK9> trying to get a Logitech Internet Keyboard's "Files" button to work.  xev show no input when button is pressed.  "tail -f /var/log/messages" says "Unknown key pressed" then released, and then states "use 'setkeycodes e005 <keycode>' to make it known"  following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=903190 suggests adding command to /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup < which doesn't currently exist on my system.  running "setkeycodes e005 144" gives "C
[07:46] <ZykoticK9> ouldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" - any suggestions?
[08:53] <Machtin> good morning - or whatever time it is where you live.. http://pastebin.com/d55d4f4a9 <- any thoughts on that?
[09:00] <Machtin> oh, got it - found the bug on launchpad
[09:30] <hyperstream> is the Emerald theme broken in lucid?
[09:32] <ZykoticK9> hyperstream, emerald is a no-longer support program think about dropping it.  But i have no idea, don't install it "anymore", it is sweet though ;)
[09:32] <hyperstream> ZykoticK9, ahh, yeah just trying to figure out how to install a decent theme, failed with theme packages for gtk2, any other engines worth attempting?
[09:33] <ZykoticK9> hyperstream, i "wish" i had a suggestion for you - i don't :(
[09:33] <hyperstream> Well ill guesss ill try and figure out how to install these compiz theme's lol
[09:41] <tolonuga> if I recompile something with "0.6.19-1ubuntu2" for karmic,so people can test the package, what should be the new version? "0.6.19-1ubuntu2~karmic1"?
[10:17] <diverse_izzue> hi all. i'm affected by the initramfs generation error. how do i recover?
[10:49] <nigelb> I'm trying to set up a chroot environment for lucid and ran into trouble
[10:49] <nigelb> some can help me point out whats going wrong?
[10:50] <raq> hi i have problem with 10.04
[10:50] <raq> freezee after use sudo or su
[10:51] <raq> any idea to correct it ?
[10:52] <raq> is someone here :P ?
[11:07] <ZykoticK9> is there some method of getting chromium-browser to use IcedTea/openjdk-6-jre in Lucid?  about:plugins show no java, tried to copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/ and start with "chromium-browser --enable-plugins"
[11:08] <RAOF> Nope; as far as I know, the Java plugin requires more NSAPI than chromium implements at this point; similarly, moonlight doesn't support chromium either.
[11:09] <ZykoticK9> RAOF, thanks
[11:10] <raq> RAOF are you useing lucid?
[11:32] <nigel_nb> just a doubt, when I'm trying to get schroot working inside karmic, debootstrap needs to built from the source for lucid?
[11:35] <vivid> how is the working state of lucid right now?
[11:40] <vivid> anyone? is it stable enough to test on a daily machine?
[11:46] <nigel_nb> vivid, plenty of people have tried.  Works fine for me though I didn't install yet
[11:46] <nigel_nb> I got a VM and also tried a live CD
[12:01] <KE1HA> Hello all. I want set up a Lucid box for bugs testing & documentation, anyone have a descent guide / link for setting up a dev environment for this purpose??
[12:02] <Coffe> i guess it might be the initramfs problem that made my grub say load kernel first ?
[12:03] <Coffe> is it possible from a live cd now . to rescue my system ?
[12:08] <benste> HI, know it's Feautre Freeze tomoroow, but who should be asked if I'd like to merge a new empathy version - cause of it's facebook integration ?
[12:14] <raq_> how raport bud into 10.04 bugs without lucid ?
[12:15] <raq_> i have now debian and i want raport lucid bug
[12:16] <benste> raq_: you may use launchpad to report it
[12:16] <raq_> where can i select distrubution ?
[12:17] <raq_> i raported but not tagged lucid
[12:18] <benste> raq_: could you pass me your bug ID ?
[12:18] <raq_> Bug #520393
[12:19] <raq_> it is my bug raport
[12:20] <benste> raq_: tagged your rEEEEEEEport with lucid :-)
[12:20] <raq_> thx
[12:20] <raq_> have someone similar problem with lucid ?
[12:20] <benste> didn't have it yet
[12:21] <benste> -> did you try in GUI and CLI ?
[12:22] <benste> raq_: in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/100686 you're asked to provide the output of "groups" - even if you didn't change soemthing it may behelpful to provide it
[12:24] <raq_> i know but i dont use lucid now
[12:26] <raq_> now i'm using debian sid and i'm waiting for maybe beta 1 of lucid
[12:29] <raq_> btw. was hal remove from lucid ?
[12:32] <marienz> raq_: somewhat. the libraries are still needed, but the actual daemon is left uninstalled by default.
[12:32] <marienz> I don't know what the plan for the remaining library dependencies is.
[12:33] <raq_> udev now must more do ?
[12:34] <marienz> udev, various devicekit things, yes.
[12:35] <raq_> thx bye
[12:36] <Milos__SD> Hi
[12:36] <Milos__SD> I need help
[12:36] <Milos__SD> I updated some packages from Lucid repo (libc6, mountall, ureadahead...)
[12:36] <Milos__SD> and now I can't boot my system... it says: mountall: can't connect to plymoth .... mountall: event failed - 2 times
[12:37] <Milos__SD> :(
[12:37] <Milos__SD> how can I fix that?
[12:38] <TheInfinity> single user mode and look whats the problem?
[12:38] <Milos__SD> how can I do that?
[12:42] <sburwood> I tried yesterday's daily live cd image.  The background still looks like 9.10
[12:43] <sburwood> I appreciated the work, but see that there is still a lot of work to do
[12:44] <sburwood> bravo to all who contribute to Ubuntu
[12:45] <sburwood> is alpha2 better than the live cd I got last night and can it be livecd?
[12:46] <Milos__SD> TheInfinity, I tried that single user mode
[12:46] <Milos__SD> and " mountall: event failed is the last thing I see :(
[12:46] <Milos__SD> and I can't do anything
[12:50] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: then you should repair it with an live disc and chroot
[12:51] <raq> i'm back
[12:51] <raq> better is use daily cd to install or alpha 2
[12:52] <Milos__SD> TheInfinity, how?
[12:53] <Milos__SD> I did chroot and tryed to downgrade, but it wants to remove all packages I have :S
[12:53] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: then find the dependency prob :)
[12:53] <Milos__SD> I did downgraded libc6 and mountall, but I had the same problem :S
[12:53] <Milos__SD> the only solution I see, is to install plymoth fully
[12:54] <Milos__SD> or do full upgrade to lucid
[12:54] <TheInfinity> uhh ...
[12:54] <TheInfinity> you have a partitial upgrade?
[12:54] <TheInfinity> wtf?
[12:54] <Milos__SD> I only updated Openoffice
[12:55] <Milos__SD> and it updated libc6, mountall and some other packages I can't remember right now ... :S
[12:55] <raq> if i install alpha 2 i can use sudo and su but if i upgrade i can't, so better is download and install daily ?
[12:56] <yofel> raq: huh? how did that happen, did you got removed from the 'admin' group?
[12:56] <raq> no
[12:56] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: you just made a course in "how to come into dependency hell - fast version"
[12:56] <raq> i was in sudo, admin
[12:56] <raq> ,raq
[12:56] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: -> NEVER use packages from different releases if you dont know exacly what you do
[12:57] <yofel> raq: well, if you run 'groups' in a terminal when you can't use sudo, does it list the 'admin' group?
[12:58] <yofel> as only the admin group has sudo rights
[12:58] <raq> when i use id write admin, sudo, raq and more groups
[12:59] <Milos__SD> I thought I  knew what I was doing... :)
[12:59] <yofel> raq: then you should be able to use sudo fine
[12:59] <raq> but it freezee screen :d
[13:00] <yofel> raq: wait, does it freeze the screen once you press ENTER?
[13:00] <raq> yes
[13:00] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: best idea would be complete reinstall
[13:00] <yofel> known bug, lemme get the bug #
[13:00] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: and using karmic open office
[13:00] <yofel> raq: bug 516412
[13:04] <Machtin> hm.. i could need some help: when i boot my box, it won't start.. i can enter my luks-key, which works, but before /dev/mapper/home is mounted to /home, the system doesn't continue booting.. i have to alt+print+k to get to a root shell.
[13:04] <Machtin> from there i can mount the device and "startx" with my user..
[13:05] <Machtin> however, i think a lot of the boot-procedure is missing.. resulting in things like i have no sound.. (i also have to pump -i eth0 to get networking working)
[13:06] <raq> what do plymouth ?
[13:07] <yofel> raq: boot splash (usplash replacement)
[13:07] <raq> if i remove it it should work ?
[13:08] <yofel> it should I guess, I have purged plymouth here and removed splash from the kernel boot line
[13:09] <raq> i'll try it
[13:10] <raq> i'll install lucid and write if it fix my problem
[13:11] <Milos__SD> TheInfinity, I can boot generic kernel, but can't boot my custom 2.6.33-rc7 kernel :S
[13:12] <Milos__SD> what can be the problem there? :S
[13:12] <TheInfinity> Milos__SD: you have to recompile it
[13:13] <Milos__SD> and it will work?
[13:13] <Milos__SD> I'll try that :)
[13:13] <Milos__SD> do I need to set some extra CONFIG or?
[13:13] <TheInfinity> your system will get lots of problems if you use packages of two releaes
[13:13] <Milos__SD> last post from here
[13:13] <Milos__SD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/503212
[13:16] <Machtin> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle.  <- can i purge that package or do i need it?
[13:17] <yofel> Machtin: remove them, install virtuoso-nepomuk, then you can install them again
[13:18] <yofel> about needed or not: I don't really know how nepomuk works so I don't know
[13:19] <Machtin> okay
[13:19] <Machtin> thanks :)
[13:22] <petsounds> Machtin, i have the same problem. tell me if you find a way to  fix it. thanks
[13:26] <Machtin> petsounds: you mean the one from 14:04:09(CET) or 14:16:38? because yofel's suggestion worked perfectly.
[13:27] <Machtin> though i'm still unable to boot without interrupting via alt+print+k.
[13:27] <petsounds> Machtin, E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle.
[13:27] <Machtin> well.. 141751  yofel> Machtin: remove them, install virtuoso-nepomuk, then you can install them again <- that does the trick, petsounds
[13:28] <petsounds> Machtin, kk
[13:46] <Machtin> oh.. and i solved that other problem by removing plymouth.. though it was just a guess: thanks yofel :)
[14:13] <mesula> Is Banshee going to replace Rhythmbox?
[14:14] <JoshuaL> i hope not
[14:15] <mesula> JoshuaL: IIRC, when Karmic was in development, adoption of Banshee as the default music player was pushed back to Karmic+1
[14:32] <kklimonda> ikonia, why have you kicked him? just curious :)
[14:34] <ikonia> kklimonda: then part message is clear
[14:35] <kklimonda> ach - thanks
[14:36] <ikonia> kick message even
[14:36] <petsounds> Machtin, yofel so if i get E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle. error. i just remove and reinstall this package?
[14:39] <Q-FUNK> are the search engines for firefox packaged separately now?
[14:39] <genii> petsounds: The package virtuoso-opensource-6.0
[14:40] <petsounds> genii, when i run sudo apt-get virtuoso-opensource-6.0 it says the package is not installed. what did i miss?
[14:40] <petsounds> *remove
[14:41] <alex_mayorga> !virtuoso-opensource
[14:43] <alex_mayorga> n00b question: what's the best way to keep lucid up to date aptitude dist-upgrade/upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade
[14:45] <petsounds> genii, this the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/374004/
[14:45] <genii> petsounds: sudo apt-get install virtuoso-opensource-6.0
[14:45] <genii> petsounds: After that finishes the rest of the update will be un-stalled
[14:47] <petsounds> genii, should i enter the password for virtuoso configuration or just leave it empty?
[14:47] <genii> petsounds: Empty passwords are never a good idea
[14:57] <alex_mayorga> or should I just use the gui for lucid updates?
[14:57] <diverse_izzue> i was affected by the recent initramfs generation issue and now have a broken dpkg. how can i recover?
[14:58] <Q-FUNK> alex_mayorga: the gui update-manager tool is quite okay.
[14:58] <Q-FUNK> diverse_izzue: go visit the matchign bug and manually apply the patch that is seen there.
[14:58] <raq> plymouth works good why nvidia or not yet ?
[14:58] <Q-FUNK> diverse_izzue:  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch
[14:59] <Q-FUNK> diverse_izzue: alternately, temporarily make a symbolic link between the old and the new script, then run "sudo dpkg  -a --configure"
[15:00] <raq> ...good with nvidia..
[15:02] <alex_mayorga> Q-FUNK, what would be the proper command line, trying to automate the whole ordeal
[15:03] <Q-FUNK> wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch  && sudo patch -p0 < udev-firmware.patch
[15:03] <raq> use /nick raq
[15:03] <Q-FUNK> && sudo dpkg  -a --configure
[15:04] <Q-FUNK> argh.  split line
[15:04] <Q-FUNK> wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch  && sudo patch -p0 < udev-firmware.patch && sudo dpkg  -a --configure && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:05] <diverse_izzue> Q-FUNK, thanks, will do
[15:32] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:55] <metricpiano> what is the URL to read the channel?  I get the message but couldn't get the location
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> !logs
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> metricpiano: ^^^^^^
[15:59] <metricpiano> !logs
[15:59] <metricpiano> so what am I looking for if problems with last update?
[16:06] <metricpiano> bug 506717
[16:12] <metricpiano> I'm having the [ENTER] key lockup problems after the last update (within 24 hours), the last time it was when I was messing with video drivers for my ATI, and I'm wondering if something in the last update "fixed" nividia but broke mine... bascially every time I hit [ENTER] the sys freezed and I can't even CTRL+ALT+F2 to a prompt.  Also when booting I get black screen and have to switch to F2 screen then back to F7 to get GUI t
[16:12] <metricpiano> o render... which again is a symptom of video card problems... so is there a video update recently, and how do I roll it back if so?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> metricpiano, which driver?
[16:16] <metricpiano> i've been using whatever comes with 10.4 from a month ago, it works and when I tried to update things broke and I couldn't get them back... I know really useful... how do I find out?  Last time I just reinstalled to fix the video driver issues
[16:16] <metricpiano> that is when I tried to load ATI drivers and controllers things got bad, up until the last Update Manager update things were fine
[16:17] <BluesKaj> metricpiano, no nvidia won't break ati
[16:21] <metricpiano> also my ICEauthority wouldn't update after the update manager reboot... have no idea what ICEauth is so don't know if it is related.  fixed by chown and 644
[16:22] <metricpiano> the only thing I've come across in the IRC logs is some discussion of nividia and something about [ENTER] and plymoth so I'm shooting in the dark
[16:24] <raq> hi i'm back
[16:25] <raq> problem with nvidia and plymouth didn't resolve
[16:25] <raq> i purge plymouth and i can work normally
[16:26] <metricpiano> is your problem wiht plymouth that the [enter] key locks up the system?
[16:26] <raq> yes
[16:27] <metricpiano> because I have ATI and am having the same problem
[16:27] <BluesKaj> metricpiano, lucid 10.04 is an alpha release under development ..use the terminal to do your upgrades
[16:27] <metricpiano> how do I purge plymouth?
[16:27] <raq> sudo apt-get purge plymouth
[16:28] <raq> in recovery mode
[16:28] <BluesKaj> not a good idea!
[16:28] <raq> why ?
[16:28] <raq> but it works
[16:29] <BluesKaj> unless you know it will solve your problem , leave it alone , it's there for a reason , transition from boot to your login
[16:29] <metricpiano> how do I know it will solve the problem without removing it? :)
[16:30] <BluesKaj> exactly
[16:30] <raq> remove 'splash' in grub doesn't work
[16:31] <BluesKaj> go ahead , be my guest ...just be ready to reinstall gnome-desktop-environment if you can't get past the prompt
[16:31] <metricpiano> did plymouth get updated recently?  how to tell?
[16:32] <raq> reinstall resolve problem ?
[16:33] <metricpiano> the last time I reinstalled to solve a similar problem it worked, but because reinstalling rolled back to the CD version that worked for me... and the problem was introduced by my own manually trying to update the drivers so since then I've been fine
[16:33] <metricpiano> raq, did you have ICEauthority problems right before this?
[16:34] <raq> no, after upgrade from alpha2 to actual build
[16:35] <metricpiano> ok, I had an ICEauthority issue at the same time
[16:35] <metricpiano> when you booted did you have to switch terminal screens to get the GUI to render?
[16:36] <raq> no
[16:38] <metricpiano> where did you find info on purging plymouth?
[16:38] <raq> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" <- it maybe resolve problem without remove plymouth
[16:38] <raq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/510524
[16:40] <raq> i try reconfigure and i will back
[16:47] <metricpiano> it worked for me, updating bug report
[16:48] <metricpiano> raq, it worked for me
[16:48] <metricpiano> without purging
[16:48] <raq_> reconfigure ?
[16:48] <metricpiano> yeah: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[16:49] <raq_> where did you do it ?
[16:49] <metricpiano> ran it, rebooted and the GUI came up (a symptom of mine) and the [ENTER]  key no longer crashes
[16:49] <metricpiano> in terminal window
[16:50] <uffo> can someone tell why desktop wont boot anymore and stays blank if i remove akonadi, how i can safetly remove it??
[16:50] <metricpiano> not recovery mode... whatever normal is
[16:53] <metricpiano> uffo, when my desktop won't boot often I can get it by switching to a terminal (CTRL ALT F2) and then back (CTRL ALT F7)
[16:53] <BluesKaj> uffo, the safest method is to disable akonadi in settings
[16:53] <metricpiano> I don't know what akonadi is so can't help with that
[16:54] <raq_> i will try it
[16:54] <uffo> BluesKaj: i want to remove it but how i can force it to remove without taking desktop
[16:55] <Alexia_Death> uffo: if something has a dependency, its usally so for a reason.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> uffo, it's a default , so removing it will take most of your desktop with it , just disable it in system settings
[16:57] <uffo> Alexia_Death: akonadi is for those kde contacts, pim etc... but kde desktop should not be affected, developers should make possible to remove it in final 10.04
[16:58] <uffo> opensuse has removed it by default SO it is possible
[16:59] <Alexia_Death> uffo: often dependencies are created a t build tme.
[17:00] <Alexia_Death> uffo: if something is off by default is not the same as being able to remove it if it was default. Dings may have been built against it and wont work, even if left.
[17:06] <uffo> Akonadi is not needed by lot of people http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42728
[17:12] <raq_> for me works only purge plymouth
[17:13] <raq_> when i reconfigure and select my laptop (fl90) and reboot
[17:13] <metricpiano> did you put plymouth back before?  although if it works for you why mess you know
[17:13] <raq_> it doesn't work
[17:15] <raq_> what did you select when do you reconfigure consol-setup
[17:16] <metricpiano> all the defaults.. well the were defaults for me, USA, normal keyboard, tty [1-6]... I don't remember everything exactly, but the ones I looked through the options for, it seemed the best was already highlighted
[17:20] <raq_> i don't know
[17:20] <raq_> :)
[17:43] <Drakeson> you wouldn't know why invoke-rc.d scripts are not automatically "start"ed on reboot, would you?
[17:44] <Drakeson> maybe I have to dpkg-reconfigure a package but I don't know which one.
[17:51] <raq_> FL90 have problem with plymouth and reconfigure console-setup doesn't resolve problem with X freezee after [enter]
[17:57] <syn-ack> Anyone else expereincing the same thing as I am in bug 520288?
[18:14] <ikt> are there any changes coming up for empathy
[18:15] <ikt> I got a message from someone and didn't notice for an hour :///////
[18:22] <aboSamoor> Hi, how can I connect facebook in empathy ?
[18:49] <ZykoticK9> aboSamoor, it' MUCH easier to just juse Pidgin with the pidgin-facebook plugin (with empathy there are ways to hack the same pidgin plugin into empathy, but i have never gotten it working)  best of luck.
[18:53] <Killeroid> ZykoticK9: I assume you were talking about facebook support in pidgin? I'm pretty sure I saw something online about facebook enabling xmpp
[18:54] <ZykoticK9> Killeroid, yes facebook-chat + pidgin (or empathy) -- i'm not sure what xmpp is
[18:55] <ZykoticK9> Killeroid, oh - interesting
[18:55] <Killeroid> ZykoticK9: its an open messaging protocol
[18:55] <ZykoticK9> Killeroid, news from yesterday :)
[18:56] <Killeroid> ah, thats why i remembered it so quickly
[18:56] <coz_> any changes in plymouth?
[18:56] <Killeroid> aboSamoor: http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php
[18:56] <ZykoticK9> aboSamoor, possibly ignore what i said - you 'might' be able to get empathy going with facebook MUCH easier then i thought
[19:08] <raq_> no a i have fl90 and problem with plymouth
[19:58] <Zorael> Do I have to make any special symlinks to get IcedTea to work with Chromium?
[20:00] <ZykoticK9> Zorael, it doesn't :(  I was asking about that last night in this channel, and got it on GOOD authority it won't work
[20:15] <taneli> why is the wallpaper not spread on two monitors like it used to be?
[20:15] <taneli> how to make it like it was in karmic ...
[20:16] <ZykoticK9> taneli, i'm certainly experiencing the same thing with my Twinview setup - thought i was going crazy actually, good to know i'm not alone ;)
[20:17] <taneli> ach, but no solution then? btw, are your screens all the same size?
[20:17] <ZykoticK9> taneli, yup
[20:17] <taneli> alridy, mine are of different sizes, i was kind-of guessing that might have been the issue...
[20:18] <Volkodav> I have it spread on my laptop and second monitor
[20:18] <Volkodav> they are different sizes and rez
[20:20] <ZykoticK9> taneli, I thought it might be caused by not using a dual-monitor wallpaper (which i wasn't), but now when i switch to a dual-monitor sized wallaper it's still doing the 2 wallapers and looks all messed up :(  now i want this fixed too!
[20:22] <taneli> Volkodav, what does "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/background" show for you?
[20:25] <Laumonier> im trying to run on lucid lynx but when im launching it i just have a black screen is there any solution for it???
[20:26] <Volkodav> taneli: That laptop is at work
[20:27] <Volkodav> I can only tell you tomorrow
[20:27] <Volkodav> I wish I could ssh in it but I turned it off
[20:27] <taneli> yeah, if I'm still hanging around
[20:27] <coz_> hey guys.. anyone here play with compiz animatioin.xml and libanimation.so to get the genie effect on lucid?  I have tried several times and each time it removes the animation plugin from compiz
[20:29] <arand> coz_: Oh, it's gone in LL?
[20:30] <coz_> arand,  it seems to be ... I have had to reinstall the plugins main to get it back
[20:30] <coz_> three times :)
[20:30] <coz_> checking on compiz-dev now also
[20:30] <coz_> however this is a lucid issue
[20:31] <ZykoticK9> taneli, my googling of twinview backgrounds on lucid isn't turning anything up?  any luck on your end?  my "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/background" just shows the background image being used, but no resolution or technical display info
[20:33] <taneli> hmmm, yeah my only guess wrt gconf settings was that there's an extra option to picture_options that makes it work
[20:38] <DanaG> hmm, is kde 4.4 network manager thingy SUPPOSED to not list any wifi networks at all, ever?
[20:40] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, I'm getting the impression that KDE might be having a little more issues then Gnome on Lucid right now - there seems to be more errors with ? DBUS or something similar?
[20:41] <DanaG> oh, and kde netbook thingy sucks, compared to both the gnome netbook thingy and kde regular.  =þ
[20:41] <Volkodav> KDE is always and everywhere more issues
[20:41] <Volkodav> lol
[20:41] <DanaG> Ugh, and damn xorg developers have the X server lie about DPI, so I end up with really tiny text.
[20:42] <DanaG> The text in my konsole
[20:42] <DanaG> is literally 2 millimeters tall.
[20:42] <DanaG> er, 3 millimeters.
[20:46] <dupondje> google gone from search enginges ?
[20:47] <kklimonda> dupondje, default has been changed to yahoo
[20:48] <kklimonda> dupondje, but google wasn't removed - you can change to it yourself
[20:50] <DanaG> argh, brightness control also doesn't work in kde.  back to gnome I go.
[21:03] <alex_mayorga> So how do I add Facebook into Empathy? http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=297991732130
[21:36] <DanaG>   * ALSA: ice1724 - Patch for suspend/resume for ESI Juli@
[21:36] <DanaG> wow, that's a lame product name.
[21:36] <taneli> Volkodav, when did you last update your system? or more specifically, nautilus or gnome-desktop?
[21:36] <DanaG> Juliat.
[21:36] <DanaG> Lame.
[21:36] <DanaG> =þ
[21:45] <ZykoticK9> could anyone suggest what package to file a bug under dealing with how Gnome's "Appearance Preferences" is rendering backgrounds on a dual monitor setup?
[21:47] <taneli> aZykoticK9, did you have this problem for a long time? It probably broke in a update two days ago, can you confirm?
[21:48] <arand> ZykoticK9: Isn't the background handled by nautilus in some way?
[21:48] <ZykoticK9> taneli, i cannot confirm it is has been since i install lucid, or an update recently - sorry
[21:49] <ZykoticK9> arand, yes actually - i can turn the background off using gconf setting
[21:49] <taneli> gnome-desktop-2.9.90 has changes that could explain the bad behaviour
[21:49] <taneli> changelog says it was uploadad 09 Feb
[21:50] <taneli> 2010
[21:50] <taneli> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=303111fc48a74addbf408ddd47d6d88ca43b5e45
[21:50] <ZykoticK9> taneli, but i'm not sure if the problem existed before!
[21:50] <ZykoticK9> taneli, OH thanks!
[21:59] <ZykoticK9> arand, /app/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop if unchecked, and Compiz is allowed to draw the wallpaper works as expected - so Yes it's certainly "handled by autilus"
[22:00] <ZykoticK9> s/autilus/nautilus
[22:01] <taneli> ZykoticK9, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603551
[22:02] <ZykoticK9> taneli, that was EXACTLY the link I have been looking for - thanks so much
[22:03] <taneli> you welcome, i go sleep
[22:04] <Zorael> What could cause KNetworkManager to just say "Unmanaged" and "Network Management disabled"? It's really refusing to do anything.
[22:04] <Zorael> The network-manager service is running, and stopping it causes KNetworkManager to change its icon (so it's not completely detached from reality).
[22:08] <tux__> hey did anyone elses recent updates bork their X ?
[22:09] <ZykoticK9> Zorael, have you set something in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[22:09] <Zorael> ZykoticK9: No, this is a fairly fresh installation, interfaces only has the vanilla 'auto lo' entry
[22:10] <ZykoticK9> Zorael, i have no idea then.  best of luck.
[22:13] <tux__> anyone?
[22:15] <DanaG> hmm, what benefit does the new "preempt" kernel flavor give?
[22:17] <arand> !rt
[22:17] <arand> DanaG: is it not that ^ ?
[22:19] <DanaG> ah, yeah.  Is it useful at all for non-audio-production type of stuff?
[22:20] <tux__> hi
[22:22] <arand> DanaG: Have no idea, never looked into it...
[22:44]  * maxb crosses fingers, prepares for lucid upgrade
[22:48] <maxb> *sigh*
[22:48] <maxb> I wish there was a way to stop release-upgrader reinstalling mono on every release
[22:48] <BUGabundo> maxb: ahaha
[22:48] <BUGabundo> welcome to the future
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:13] <BUGabundo> 2nd lucid freeze to crash
[23:13] <BUGabundo> rebooted into 2.6.33 and nouveau only works at 800px.
[23:13] <BUGabundo> w00t
[23:13]  * BUGabundo goes back to 2.6.32
[23:14] <kklimonda> 2.6.33?
[23:14] <kklimonda> why would you use it?
[23:15] <kklimonda> and complain about nouveau? :P
[23:15] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:15] <BUGabundo> I got it some how in the last updates :\
[23:15] <kklimonda> afair mainline kernels from ppa are built without staging so they shouldn't even have ouveau kernel bits
[23:15] <kklimonda> isn't it -13 ?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> not MY FAULT
[23:15] <BUGabundo> err
[23:16] <BUGabundo> let me check
[23:16] <kklimonda> 2.6.32-13
[23:16]  * BUGabundo is tired
[23:16] <BUGabundo> 2.6.32-13-generic
[23:20] <BUGabundo> do we still need to disable ACPI in VB?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> I'm making a new ubuntu karmic VB for my FLOSS class in Saturday
[23:20] <BUGabundo> yofel_: kklimonda: ^^
[23:20]  * BUGabundo tries
[23:21] <charlie-tca> Far as I know we do, BUGabundo
[23:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, bug 510571
[23:22] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: when did it fail?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> so far vb is booting live cd
[23:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, or you can install a newer version of vb
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I got the last one available in the repos
[23:22] <kklimonda> (some beta probably)
[23:22] <kklimonda> yeah - it isn't yet uploaded anywhere
[23:22] <dupondje> weird, enabling ubufox gives me only ask.com as search engine, disabling gives all search enginges
[23:22] <dupondje> something broke ?
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Couple of weeks ago is the last time I tried with ACPI
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I can change it after install?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> by kernel parm, right?
[23:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, yes - by adding acpi=off to kernel command line (you can even edit /etc/default/grub and use update-grub)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> thanks
[23:24] <arand> BUGabundo: Or use the 3.1.4 beta2/svn virtualbox, apparently..
[23:25] <BUGabundo> arand: ppa or something ?
[23:25] <arand> I'm just a bit worried how we're going to get the fix into all vbox versions currently, since I think all fail with lucid.. not good.
[23:26] <kklimonda> arand, SRU if it's worth it
[23:26] <arand> BUGabundo: don't know, I know that the svn failed to build with dependency error when I was messing with it and pbuilder..
[23:26] <BUGabundo> thanks
[23:26] <BUGabundo> keep me posted
[23:26] <arand> kklimonda: I'm not even sure what the appropriate patch is...
[23:26] <BUGabundo> might need it up to Saturday :p
[23:27] <BUGabundo> does it make sense a SWAP in a VB ?
[23:28] <arand> Probably, especially since you tend to have a lack of memory..
[23:28] <BUGabundo> host has 4GB, vm 1.5G
[23:30] <arand> BUGabundo: not sure but afaik, the same argument as with normal swap would apply..
[23:33] <BUGabundo> quick OT poll: what topics would you like to see mention or would talk about in a introduction to Open Source desktop apps, running of a Ubuntu Karmic install ? . feel free to PVT me with ideas
[23:35] <charlie-tca> ease of installation of software
[23:36] <charlie-tca> no need to install hardware drivers
[23:36] <BUGabundo> _coufg_
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Sotware Center is a MUST... and still ppl don't know about it
[23:37] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, I'd talk about why there is so little support from Software Vendors ;)
[23:37] <rww> BUGabundo: as you know, #ubuntu-offtopic exists for questions like that :)
[23:37] <kklimonda> right
[23:37] <BUGabundo> just teach a new user about it today... her admiration: "don't I need to go look in the internet?"
[23:37]  * BUGabundo follows rww hint
[23:39] <BUGabundo> ahahahh the VM default size screen is too small for ubiquity installer :)
[23:41] <charlie-tca> just maximize ubiquity
[23:45] <BUGabundo> no maximize button
[23:50] <arand> BUGabundo: alt+f8 and move towards the edge to be resized
[23:50] <arand> BUGabundo: or alt+ middlemouse
[23:51] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:51] <BUGabundo> I did it
[23:51] <BUGabundo> only missed the toolbar
[23:51] <arand> Always annoying in vms, update manager is to long as well :/
[23:57] <BUGabundo> hey... the new VM booted fine
[23:57] <BUGabundo> without touching ACPI
[23:58] <BUGabundo> arand: kklimonda: ^^^^
[23:58]  * BUGabundo tests vb utils
[23:58] <arand> BUGabundo: Karmic vm?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> VB
[23:59] <arand> Whats the guest?
[23:59] <arand> Only Lucid fails *inside* a vm