[00:00] so i guess it doesn't really need a manpage then [00:00] depends how pedantic you wish to be, which is why I recommended the above sequence [00:00] I'll happily review a patch if you submit one [00:01] ok [00:01] is it based on the old alsa-base init script? [00:02] it /is/ the old alsa-base initscript [00:02] ok [00:03] crimsun: back. that didn't work very well... it killed half my running apps. restarted the laptop, everything fine now [00:05] BUGabundo: _force_- anything doesn't imply graciously [00:05] eheh [00:14] update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic [00:14] cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh: Cannot stat: No such file or directory [00:14] anyone seen this? [00:17] Yes, it's still bug 519855 [00:17] Launchpad bug 519855 in udev "update-initramfs fails: ./lib/udev/firmware.sh does not exist" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519855 [00:17] virtuald, bug 519855 [00:17] thank you [00:19] oh i'm using se.archive i guess that's why it hits me [00:20] so i guess i just ln -s...dpkg...rm firmware.sh [00:21] um [00:21] or you could read the topic :-) [00:22] hehe you never expect there to be anything interesting [00:23] I changed it twice today explicitly because of the udev issue [00:23] o.o [00:25] i'd like to see shorter topics [00:26] for what rationale? [00:26] I always place important topics near the beginning [00:26] tl;dr [00:27] even with a screenreader, it's pretty efficient [00:27] i'm in lots of channels there's a lot of noise [00:28] sure. I'm in over three hundred, so I know the pain. [00:28] i'm not in that many [00:29] crimsun, 300 irc channels? [00:29] 30 is a lot to me [00:29] crimsun: and you still get work done. amazing. [00:30] virtuald: I mostly ignore people to get work done. It also helps that my day job is completely walled off, so I don't need to worry about irc. :-) [00:31] crimsun: you don't work with computers? [00:38] Question: the new "MeMenu" that I've read articles on... is it working? [00:41] Yes. [00:46] Then the next question is, is there any way to install it on Karmic? [01:02] so what's the deal now with plymouth? has any fix been done with nvidia ? [01:17] anyone have an agp nvidia and tried to enable fastwrites and sba? It doens work here [01:19] I have a problem. There's this ugly transparent CPU monitor thing in the upper right corner of my screen. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the whole "virtuoso-server" package thing. How do I get rid of it? Also, I'm in Kubuntu, and it's NOT a widget. [01:21] MWisBest: can't think of anything right now, can you get a screenshot? [01:21] How do I get a screenshot? [01:22] MWisBest: use ksnapshot [01:22] and then [01:22] !pastebin | MWisBest [01:22] MWisBest: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [01:24] I have the snapshot saved. Then what do I do? [01:25] MWisBest: see the imagebin link ubottu gave you [01:26] MWisBest: (and make sure there's no private information in the screenshot) [01:26] http://imagebin.org/84299 [01:27] I'll be right back. [01:29] I'm back. [01:31] yofel: Any ideas? [01:32] nope, I've never seen anything like it, but if it's virtuoso related then I can't help as I can't get virtuoso to work here [01:32] Do you get like a, dependency loop error when you try to install it? [01:33] yes, remove all virtuoso packages, install virtuoso-nepomuk, then the other packages will install fine [01:34] Well I've uninstalled virtuoso... [01:34] All of it. [01:35] What's the smartest way to obtain Kubuntu 10.04 right now? Installing from an Alpha 2 ISO and updating, or is there a daily CD somewhere or something? [01:36] there are dailies [01:36] The daily CD would be the best bet. That's how I got mine. [01:36] !daily [01:36] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [01:36] now to get the kubunt link... [01:36] Alpha 2 wouldn't fit on a CD, so I looked around and the daily build was 699MB that day. [01:36] rww: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [01:37] yofel: Ah, thank you :) [01:37] heh, the amd64 iso is oversized again ^^ [01:37] no problem, I'll just throw it through usb-creator and USB it. [01:38] I wonder how they're ever gonna fit all this onto a CD. I mean my main distro, Mepis, is barely getting 4.3.4 on a CD. [01:38] Now that it's 4.4.0 for Kubuntu... eww. [02:43] hey all [02:43] anyone here have any luck connecting an ipod touch to lucid? [02:44] or karmic for that matter i gues [02:44] guess === douglasawh is now known as testdouglasawh === testdouglasawh is now known as douglasawh === dmb is now known as d === d is now known as ______dmb [03:30] Hi, I've got this at boot "/ filesystem has errors [SIFM]" has my HD passed away? [03:31] alex_mayorga: time to fsck? [03:33] arand, how-to? [03:33] sudo touch /forcefsck [03:33] then reboot [03:33] whats the rhythmbox version on lucid? [03:34] 0.12x ? [03:34] !info rhythmbox [03:34] rhythmbox (source: rhythmbox): music player and organizer for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.6-1ubuntu8 (lucid), package size 1602 kB, installed size 15672 kB [03:34] thanks arand :) [03:35] arand, thanks, but when I go into recovery the screen goes blank, due to noveau I believe [03:37] alex_mayorga: recovery opption in boot menu? [03:38] now it's "UNEXPECTED INCONSITENCY run fsck manually", looks rather screwed [03:38] alex_mayorga: do you get a shell there? [03:38] no, no shell, just failed mountall [03:39] alex_mayorga: then run "fsck -fy /dev/sd##" from a livecd and hope for the best. [03:39] all the ttys are unresponsive at that point [03:39] let me try that [03:40] arand: thanks, I just have 9.10 Live CDs, does it matter? [03:41] alex_mayorga: as long as it supports the filesystem it should be fine. [03:41] alex_mayorga: Did you by ny chance do any hard shutdowns lately? [03:43] no that I can think of, all with shutdown menu [03:45] alex_mayorga: Ah, I just managed to completely hoose an ext4 system with shutdowns that way, kind of scary.. [03:45] does 9.10 support ext4? [03:47] yes [03:47] alex_mayorga: yea, even jaunty does [03:47] 9.10 installs ext4 by default even [03:53] arand: there are sda, sda1, sda2 and sda5 which is the one I should pick? [03:54] alex_mayorga: sudo fdisk -l should tell you which is the root "/" ext4 [03:54] Or simply have a look in gparted [03:56] 0.2% non-contigous, reboot? [03:56] it was sda1 it seems [03:57] It should say "Filesystem was modified!!" and something, that should be finished then [03:58] yep, it does [03:58] cross fingers and restart? anything else that might help? [03:59] alex_mayorga: not that I know of, I guess you could mount the partiton and look at it from the liveCD, if you wanted... [04:01] arnad: it booted again, thanks I owe you :) [04:01] now that I remember before I shutdown last time transmission was complaining /home was not writable, is that a clue? [04:04] alex_mayorga: That most likely means "/" and hence /home (assuming you ahve them both on one partiton/filesystem), has been seeing errors, and hece have been remounted to read-only as a safety precaution.. [04:07] hey all, anyone here work with clutter? [04:07] The filesystem goes acko-whacko, and the kernel responds with "fsck you, I ain't touching that" [04:07] arand: just confirming the toshiba drive on this vaio laptop is a lemon, thanks again, really appreciate your help [04:07] I am trying to get clutter-cairo for lucid [04:08] alex_mayorga: make sure you backup important stuff on the partition in question, should next time not be as lucky :) [04:09] arand: luckyly I don't have anything important in the computer :) [04:10] alex_mayorga: Since you're running alpha, you'd better not :D [04:10] or so I believe, I certainly need one of those 1TB external disks just for fun, not toshiba, thats for sure [04:10] arand, so very true :) [04:34] I wonder what happened to clutter-cairo... [04:35] I think they may have just rolled it into the main clutter library... [04:52] !ops [04:59] Hello [04:59] Hello #ubuntu+1. Who'd like to help me test for some Banshee crashes! [05:00] Someone try a open a pdf file with a password on evince and it crash? [05:01] RAOF: I'd love to, but I'm completely the wrong person as I'm running master HEAD ;) [05:01] No, that's fantastic. [05:01] oh, ok. Have at it, then... [05:01] Try to play a video in Banshee. Any video. [05:02] nice [05:02] yeah, that's kinda boomish. [05:02] Ok, so, that crashes due to gtk client-side windows. Good. [05:03] Now, let's try again, but setting the GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=yes environment variable. [05:03] The video won't crash now, but I'd like you to try switching between video, starting a new song, and then going back to the “now playing” tab for the album art display. [05:04] If it's anything like my copy of banshee, *that* will crash (eventually) in some impossible part of Cairo. [05:06] any estimate on when it might crash? song change? after seeking forward some amount? [05:07] Start playing some video, which'll take you to now-playing. Then start some other song so there's a change in the now-playing display to the track information + coverart. [05:07] interestingly enough, starting banshee-1 from a Terminal without GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=yes nondeterministically allows me to play the video [05:08] It's the wonders of threading. [05:08] Sometimes gdk doesn't die when you call gdk_x11_window_ensure_native in a random thread. [05:09] Or possibly sometimes gstreamer picks the gdk thread as the thread to first call the relevent bit of banshee. [05:10] well, playing the video definitely switches to now-playing, but selecting another song (and playing it) doesn't switch automatically. Is the latter supposed to switch automatically? [05:11] You'll need to switch back to now-playing manually. [05:11] And the crash should occur as it tries to switch back. [05:11] (Eventually; this sometimes takes a couple of goes for me) [05:11] I'm pretty sure the relevant transition is video->coverart [05:12] can't reproduce it here, unfortunately [05:13] I should amend that to "can't reproduce it here yet" [05:13] Heh. [05:13] Are you on i386 or x86-64? [05:13] the latter. [05:14] While you're here, want to test a patch to make deterministicly play video? :) [05:15] -EPARSE [05:15] IE: to fix the nondeterministic crashes in playing video. [05:16] To make it work without GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS [05:16] I can try in about 40 minutes [05:17] lemme know round about then if you still need me to [05:17] Ok. [05:20] oh yeah, is all this fancy new rgba stuff what makes even static Flash objects hammer the cpu? [05:33] DanaG, some days I think you'd be happier running redhat 5 [05:33] :) [05:34] Bleh. [05:34] Yum? Yuck. Bleh. [05:34] it doesn't have the fancy new * stuff that makes * crappy :) [05:42] I just upgraded from karmic to lucid last night, and this morning networkmanager doesn't seem to want to work at all [05:42] I can't even connect with an ethernet cable [05:42] anyone know where I should start? [05:43] anniky, dhclient from a terminal? [05:43] start with doing things by hand [05:43] you'll either succeed where the tool didn't (and thereby have an excellent guide to what the tool did wrong), or you'll fail (in which case you'll probably know why the tool failed :p) [05:43] right.. I tried ifconfig, forgot about dhclient [05:44] it worked, thanks [05:45] ok, next step. the network-manager daemon is up and running, but knetworkmanager is reporting "Network Management Disabled" [05:45] maybe I'll try nm-applet [05:45] check if dbus is running [05:46] two instances of dbus-daemon [05:46] one of dbus-launch [05:47] ok, nm-applet also said networking disabled, but it allowed me to start it [05:47] so I guess that means that knetworkmanager has some problem? [05:52] hrmm... konversation is no longer part of kubuntu-desktop? [05:53] * anniky is now naught101 [05:53] anniky: correct. Quassel replaced it. [05:53] ok, cool [05:53] RAOF: sorry, going to have to beg out this time. Have some high priority errands. [05:54] crimsun: That's just fine. [05:54] naught101: intrepid was the last version with Konversation in kubuntu-desktop [05:54] crimsun: It's bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590085 if you want to chase it later. [05:54] Gnome bug 590085 in Playback "Playing video in queue crashes banshee" [Critical,Needinfo] [05:59] rww: oh, right... soory, been under a rock :) [06:22] Hrm, I'm trying to file a bug against the trackpad driver, would anyone know which package is responsible for that off the top of their head? [06:25] xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, or something like that [07:37] RAOF: ok, thanks [07:46] trying to get a Logitech Internet Keyboard's "Files" button to work. xev show no input when button is pressed. "tail -f /var/log/messages" says "Unknown key pressed" then released, and then states "use 'setkeycodes e005 ' to make it known" following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=903190 suggests adding command to /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup < which doesn't currently exist on my system. running "setkeycodes e005 144" gives "C [07:46] ouldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" - any suggestions? [08:53] good morning - or whatever time it is where you live.. http://pastebin.com/d55d4f4a9 <- any thoughts on that? [09:00] oh, got it - found the bug on launchpad [09:30] is the Emerald theme broken in lucid? [09:32] hyperstream, emerald is a no-longer support program think about dropping it. But i have no idea, don't install it "anymore", it is sweet though ;) [09:32] ZykoticK9, ahh, yeah just trying to figure out how to install a decent theme, failed with theme packages for gtk2, any other engines worth attempting? [09:33] hyperstream, i "wish" i had a suggestion for you - i don't :( [09:33] Well ill guesss ill try and figure out how to install these compiz theme's lol [09:41] if I recompile something with "0.6.19-1ubuntu2" for karmic,so people can test the package, what should be the new version? "0.6.19-1ubuntu2~karmic1"? [10:17] hi all. i'm affected by the initramfs generation error. how do i recover? [10:49] I'm trying to set up a chroot environment for lucid and ran into trouble [10:49] some can help me point out whats going wrong? [10:50] hi i have problem with 10.04 [10:50] freezee after use sudo or su [10:51] any idea to correct it ? [10:52] is someone here :P ? [11:07] is there some method of getting chromium-browser to use IcedTea/openjdk-6-jre in Lucid? about:plugins show no java, tried to copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/ and start with "chromium-browser --enable-plugins" [11:08] Nope; as far as I know, the Java plugin requires more NSAPI than chromium implements at this point; similarly, moonlight doesn't support chromium either. [11:09] RAOF, thanks [11:10] RAOF are you useing lucid? [11:32] just a doubt, when I'm trying to get schroot working inside karmic, debootstrap needs to built from the source for lucid? [11:35] how is the working state of lucid right now? [11:40] anyone? is it stable enough to test on a daily machine? [11:46] vivid, plenty of people have tried. Works fine for me though I didn't install yet [11:46] I got a VM and also tried a live CD [12:01] Hello all. I want set up a Lucid box for bugs testing & documentation, anyone have a descent guide / link for setting up a dev environment for this purpose?? [12:02] i guess it might be the initramfs problem that made my grub say load kernel first ? [12:03] is it possible from a live cd now . to rescue my system ? [12:08] HI, know it's Feautre Freeze tomoroow, but who should be asked if I'd like to merge a new empathy version - cause of it's facebook integration ? [12:14] how raport bud into 10.04 bugs without lucid ? [12:15] i have now debian and i want raport lucid bug [12:16] raq_: you may use launchpad to report it [12:16] where can i select distrubution ? [12:17] i raported but not tagged lucid [12:18] raq_: could you pass me your bug ID ? [12:18] Bug #520393 [12:18] Launchpad bug 520393 in ubuntu "10.04 Freezee screen after sudo or su" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520393 [12:19] it is my bug raport [12:20] raq_: tagged your rEEEEEEEport with lucid :-) [12:20] thx [12:20] have someone similar problem with lucid ? [12:20] didn't have it yet [12:21] -> did you try in GUI and CLI ? [12:22] raq_: in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/100686 you're asked to provide the output of "groups" - even if you didn't change soemthing it may behelpful to provide it [12:24] i know but i dont use lucid now [12:26] now i'm using debian sid and i'm waiting for maybe beta 1 of lucid [12:29] btw. was hal remove from lucid ? [12:32] raq_: somewhat. the libraries are still needed, but the actual daemon is left uninstalled by default. [12:32] I don't know what the plan for the remaining library dependencies is. [12:33] udev now must more do ? [12:34] udev, various devicekit things, yes. [12:35] thx bye [12:36] Hi [12:36] I need help [12:36] I updated some packages from Lucid repo (libc6, mountall, ureadahead...) [12:36] and now I can't boot my system... it says: mountall: can't connect to plymoth .... mountall: event failed - 2 times [12:37] :( [12:37] how can I fix that? [12:38] single user mode and look whats the problem? [12:38] how can I do that? [12:42] I tried yesterday's daily live cd image. The background still looks like 9.10 [12:43] I appreciated the work, but see that there is still a lot of work to do [12:44] bravo to all who contribute to Ubuntu [12:45] is alpha2 better than the live cd I got last night and can it be livecd? [12:46] TheInfinity, I tried that single user mode [12:46] and " mountall: event failed is the last thing I see :( [12:46] and I can't do anything [12:50] Milos__SD: then you should repair it with an live disc and chroot [12:51] i'm back [12:51] better is use daily cd to install or alpha 2 [12:52] TheInfinity, how? [12:53] I did chroot and tryed to downgrade, but it wants to remove all packages I have :S [12:53] Milos__SD: then find the dependency prob :) [12:53] I did downgraded libc6 and mountall, but I had the same problem :S [12:53] the only solution I see, is to install plymoth fully [12:54] or do full upgrade to lucid [12:54] uhh ... [12:54] you have a partitial upgrade? [12:54] wtf? [12:54] I only updated Openoffice [12:55] and it updated libc6, mountall and some other packages I can't remember right now ... :S [12:55] if i install alpha 2 i can use sudo and su but if i upgrade i can't, so better is download and install daily ? [12:56] raq: huh? how did that happen, did you got removed from the 'admin' group? [12:56] no [12:56] Milos__SD: you just made a course in "how to come into dependency hell - fast version" [12:56] i was in sudo, admin [12:56] ,raq [12:56] Milos__SD: -> NEVER use packages from different releases if you dont know exacly what you do [12:57] raq: well, if you run 'groups' in a terminal when you can't use sudo, does it list the 'admin' group? [12:58] as only the admin group has sudo rights [12:58] when i use id write admin, sudo, raq and more groups [12:59] I thought I knew what I was doing... :) [12:59] raq: then you should be able to use sudo fine [12:59] but it freezee screen :d [13:00] raq: wait, does it freeze the screen once you press ENTER? [13:00] yes [13:00] Milos__SD: best idea would be complete reinstall [13:00] known bug, lemme get the bug # [13:00] Milos__SD: and using karmic open office [13:00] raq: bug 516412 [13:00] Launchpad bug 516412 in plymouth "Pressing causes X to freeze" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516412 [13:04] hm.. i could need some help: when i boot my box, it won't start.. i can enter my luks-key, which works, but before /dev/mapper/home is mounted to /home, the system doesn't continue booting.. i have to alt+print+k to get to a root shell. [13:04] from there i can mount the device and "startx" with my user.. [13:05] however, i think a lot of the boot-procedure is missing.. resulting in things like i have no sound.. (i also have to pump -i eth0 to get networking working) [13:06] what do plymouth ? [13:07] raq: boot splash (usplash replacement) [13:07] if i remove it it should work ? [13:08] it should I guess, I have purged plymouth here and removed splash from the kernel boot line [13:09] i'll try it [13:10] i'll install lucid and write if it fix my problem [13:11] TheInfinity, I can boot generic kernel, but can't boot my custom 2.6.33-rc7 kernel :S [13:12] what can be the problem there? :S [13:12] Milos__SD: you have to recompile it [13:13] and it will work? [13:13] I'll try that :) [13:13] do I need to set some extra CONFIG or? [13:13] your system will get lots of problems if you use packages of two releaes [13:13] last post from here [13:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/503212 [13:13] Ubuntu bug 503212 in mountall "mountall crashed with SIGSEGV in main() without initramfs" [High,Fix released] [13:16] E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle. <- can i purge that package or do i need it? [13:17] Machtin: remove them, install virtuoso-nepomuk, then you can install them again [13:18] about needed or not: I don't really know how nepomuk works so I don't know [13:19] okay [13:19] thanks :) [13:22] Machtin, i have the same problem. tell me if you find a way to fix it. thanks [13:26] petsounds: you mean the one from 14:04:09(CET) or 14:16:38? because yofel's suggestion worked perfectly. [13:27] though i'm still unable to boot without interrupting via alt+print+k. [13:27] Machtin, E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle. [13:27] well.. 141751 yofel> Machtin: remove them, install virtuoso-nepomuk, then you can install them again <- that does the trick, petsounds [13:28] Machtin, kk [13:46] oh.. and i solved that other problem by removing plymouth.. though it was just a guess: thanks yofel :) [14:13] Is Banshee going to replace Rhythmbox? [14:14] i hope not [14:15] JoshuaL: IIRC, when Karmic was in development, adoption of Banshee as the default music player was pushed back to Karmic+1 [14:32] ikonia, why have you kicked him? just curious :) [14:34] kklimonda: then part message is clear [14:35] ach - thanks [14:36] kick message even [14:36] Machtin, yofel so if i get E: Couldn't configure pre-depend virtuoso-opensource-6.0-bin for virtuoso-opensource-6.0, probably a dependency cycle. error. i just remove and reinstall this package? [14:39] are the search engines for firefox packaged separately now? [14:39] petsounds: The package virtuoso-opensource-6.0 [14:40] genii, when i run sudo apt-get virtuoso-opensource-6.0 it says the package is not installed. what did i miss? [14:40] *remove [14:41] !virtuoso-opensource [14:43] n00b question: what's the best way to keep lucid up to date aptitude dist-upgrade/upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade [14:45] genii, this the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/374004/ [14:45] petsounds: sudo apt-get install virtuoso-opensource-6.0 [14:45] petsounds: After that finishes the rest of the update will be un-stalled [14:47] genii, should i enter the password for virtuoso configuration or just leave it empty? [14:47] petsounds: Empty passwords are never a good idea [14:57] or should I just use the gui for lucid updates? [14:57] i was affected by the recent initramfs generation issue and now have a broken dpkg. how can i recover? [14:58] alex_mayorga: the gui update-manager tool is quite okay. [14:58] diverse_izzue: go visit the matchign bug and manually apply the patch that is seen there. [14:58] plymouth works good why nvidia or not yet ? [14:58] diverse_izzue: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch [14:59] diverse_izzue: alternately, temporarily make a symbolic link between the old and the new script, then run "sudo dpkg -a --configure" [15:00] ...good with nvidia.. [15:02] Q-FUNK, what would be the proper command line, trying to automate the whole ordeal [15:03] wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch && sudo patch -p0 < udev-firmware.patch [15:03] use /nick raq [15:03] && sudo dpkg -a --configure [15:04] argh. split line [15:04] wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch && sudo patch -p0 < udev-firmware.patch && sudo dpkg -a --configure && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [15:05] Q-FUNK, thanks, will do [15:32] howdy [15:55] what is the URL to read the channel? I get the message but couldn't get the location [15:56] !logs [15:56] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [15:56] metricpiano: ^^^^^^ [15:59] !logs [15:59] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [15:59] so what am I looking for if problems with last update? [16:06] bug 506717 [16:06] Launchpad bug 506717 in plymouth "[Lucid] plymouth does not display when using nvidia drivers" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506717 [16:12] I'm having the [ENTER] key lockup problems after the last update (within 24 hours), the last time it was when I was messing with video drivers for my ATI, and I'm wondering if something in the last update "fixed" nividia but broke mine... bascially every time I hit [ENTER] the sys freezed and I can't even CTRL+ALT+F2 to a prompt. Also when booting I get black screen and have to switch to F2 screen then back to F7 to get GUI t [16:12] o render... which again is a symptom of video card problems... so is there a video update recently, and how do I roll it back if so? [16:13] metricpiano, which driver? [16:16] i've been using whatever comes with 10.4 from a month ago, it works and when I tried to update things broke and I couldn't get them back... I know really useful... how do I find out? Last time I just reinstalled to fix the video driver issues [16:16] that is when I tried to load ATI drivers and controllers things got bad, up until the last Update Manager update things were fine [16:17] metricpiano, no nvidia won't break ati [16:21] also my ICEauthority wouldn't update after the update manager reboot... have no idea what ICEauth is so don't know if it is related. fixed by chown and 644 [16:22] the only thing I've come across in the IRC logs is some discussion of nividia and something about [ENTER] and plymoth so I'm shooting in the dark [16:24] hi i'm back [16:25] problem with nvidia and plymouth didn't resolve [16:25] i purge plymouth and i can work normally [16:26] is your problem wiht plymouth that the [enter] key locks up the system? [16:26] yes [16:27] because I have ATI and am having the same problem [16:27] metricpiano, lucid 10.04 is an alpha release under development ..use the terminal to do your upgrades [16:27] how do I purge plymouth? [16:27] sudo apt-get purge plymouth [16:28] in recovery mode [16:28] not a good idea! [16:28] why ? [16:28] but it works [16:29] unless you know it will solve your problem , leave it alone , it's there for a reason , transition from boot to your login [16:29] how do I know it will solve the problem without removing it? :) [16:30]