[00:54] <lifeless> is there any supported way to do an automated install of sun java without the licence prompt?
[00:54] <persia> lifeless: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/KnowledgeBase
[00:55] <lifeless> \o/
[00:55] <persia> wikis are wonderful things
[00:56] <persia> But don't do that unless you *really* must.  default-jre and default-jdk are almost always preferable.
[00:57] <lifeless> except that there is a bundled and renamed class in sun-java6
[00:57] <lifeless> that isn't like that in openjdk-java6
[00:57] <lifeless> which makes openjdk-java6 buggered for a nontrivial number of apps
[00:58] <lifeless> I can dig up the bug # if you like
[00:58] <lifeless> http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6876736
[01:02] <persia> lifeless: Aha.  I'd call that a bug in hudson, but YMMV :)
[01:03] <lifeless> hudson, openoffice, ... - depending on what sun shipped for years.
[01:03] <persia> Well, more deeply, it's probably a bug in Sun, but that's a different matter :)
[01:03] <lifeless> could argue it either way
[01:03] <persia> I'll always argue against code bundling.
[01:03] <lifeless> *cough CD image cough*
[01:04]  * persia wanders off, whistling innocently
[01:07]  * lifeless waits for hudson to fire off another VM
[20:49] <lifeless> persia: http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/using-uec-instead-of-ec2/ is what I needed the sun java workaround for
[20:52] <persia> lifeless: Cool.  I do suggest you add a note that indicates that you should really read the Sun license prior to adding the debconf hint.
[20:53] <persia> Because adding that is considered equivalent to accepting the license, which is a bit questionable if one hasn't read it.
[20:53] <persia> (not that everyone reads licenses, but people should at least have to pretend they have done so)
[20:53] <lifeless> you should see what hudson (a sun product) does :>
[20:53] <lifeless> it just batch installs a copy from s3
[20:54] <persia> Yeah, well.
[20:54] <persia> Something I learned when working with Sun in other areas is that different bits of Sun don't always talk to each other as well as one might hope.
[20:55] <persia> But I understand that had been improving, although the current news seems to contain lots of uncertainty.
[20:56] <lifeless> :>
[20:59] <persia> Anyway, as with everything else, when wearing "Ubuntu" hats, we do best at helping that integration happen even if upstreams aren't doing it themselves.
[21:00] <lifeless> :)
[21:01] <lifeless> one can argue that ignoring unenforcable things is a good idea. I'm not sure it is.
[21:01] <lifeless> I've added a reply noting that there was some sleight of hand there.
[21:02] <persia> Yeah, the idea was just to avoid confusion.
[21:34] <rzr> persia: hi
[21:34] <rzr> i just saw that you built swt
[21:34] <persia> rzr: Yep.
[21:34] <rzr> I am waiting at it to rebuild tuxguitar
[21:35] <rzr> when will it be uploaded
[21:35] <rzr> seems the build is over now
[21:35] <persia> It's been uploaded.
[21:35]  * persia checks if it's stuck
[21:35] <rzr> published i mean
[21:35] <rzr>  Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the repository.
[21:35] <persia> Yeah, it's caught in binary NEW.  I'll bug an archive-admin in a bit.  Maybe 3-5 hours, if I'm lucky.
[21:36] <rzr> ok
[21:36] <rzr> thx
[21:36] <rzr> last question
[21:36] <rzr> why +versionbump ?
[21:37] <rzr> it's unclear for me
[21:37] <rzr> upstream debian one never went into archive , did it ?
[21:38] <rzr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swt-gtk/+bug/519994
[21:38] <rzr> ok
[21:51] <persia> rzr: I tried to get Debian synced, but it ended up blacklisted.
[21:51] <persia> Adding +versionbump let it be accepted, and that bug unblacklists.
[21:51] <persia> We should be able to be in sync with the next new upstream.
[21:52] <persia> The issue was just leftovers from when eclipse was providing swt.