[07:19] <ara> good morning all
[07:27] <thekorn> good morning ara
[07:28] <ara> morning thekorn!
[08:41]  * ara reboots
[13:37] <davmor2> morning fader_
[13:37] <fader_> Howdy davmor2 and everybody
[13:38] <davmor2> fader_: how's things stateside
[13:39] <fader_> davmor2: A bit cold, but at least my corner of the country didn't get anything like the snow we were promised
[13:39] <fader_> How's Wolverhampton?
[13:39] <davmor2> fader_: No that'll be along today dude :)
[13:40] <davmor2> wolves got a dusting lasting night looks all xmassy
[13:40] <fader_> Heh
[14:39] <dqueer> PLS tell me somebody how to login liveCD lucid?
[14:41] <davmor2> dqueer: user ubuntu no password
[14:43] <dqueer> Thanks
[14:43] <davmor2> dqueer: you should need to do that though so file a bug
[14:50] <davmor2> shouldn't even
[14:50] <davmor2> cr3: morning dude
[14:51] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude, how's life in isd?
[14:51] <davmor2> busy but fun
[15:20] <alexmoldovan> hello nagappan, i've heard you have the same problem with X when hitting ENTER
[15:23] <cr3> alexmoldovan: you might have to wait a bit for an answer because he's on the west coast, but he'll be around eventually
[15:27] <ara> cr3, alexmoldovan: what problem is that?
[15:29] <davmor2> alexmoldovan: that issue for me got fixed by todays kernel update.
[15:29] <alexmoldovan> i found that on some ATI and Nvidia models, hitting enter in the terminal blocks the system
[15:30] <davmor2> ara: it happened on login, if you hit enter at anytime on the desktop eg trigger update-manager type in your pass and hit enter, and so on
[15:30] <fader_> I thought that was a feature, to keep you from wasting too much time on your computer
[15:31] <davmor2> no danger there for you then dude ;)
[15:31] <persia> The workaround for the press-enter-to-freeze-the-machine-after-boot is to remove plymouth.
[15:31] <persia> But it ought get reinstalled later, because not having it can cause other issues.
[15:32] <fader_> persia: According to bug 516412 it's been fixed now
[15:32] <davmor2> persia: as I say todays update made it go away for me at least :)
[15:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 516412 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Pressing <Enter> causes X to freeze (affects: 70) (dups: 16)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516412
[15:32] <fader_> So you shouldn't even need to do that :)
[15:32] <persia> Oh good.
[15:33] <fader_> davmor2: You're able to upgrade cleanly today?  Update manager and apt-get are barfing on libgtk2 for me
[15:33] <fader_> Though my lucid machine is PPC, so I'm not entirely worried
[15:34] <davmor2> fader_: I did an install of 20100210 and then upgraded to the latest with no issues
[15:35] <fader_> Meh, I haven't updated my system in ~2 weeks, so I can wait another day to see if it gets fixed.
[15:35] <ara> I haven't had any issues, but I am using nvidia-driver-ppa
[15:35]  * fader_ really doesn't want to reinstall from scratch.
[15:41] <davmor2> fader_: out of curiosity what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-F1 login via the tty and then run apt-get/aptitude?
[15:42] <fader_> davmor2: I would assume the same thing that happens when I run it in a gnome-terminal:
[15:42] <fader_>  libgtk2.0-bin: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.19.5-1ubuntu2~ppa1) but 2.19.4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[15:42] <fader_> Why would running it on a vt make any difference?
[15:43] <davmor2> fader_: ah sorry I thought you said that it was gtk causing it not to work, rather than it not being installable
[15:43] <fader_> davmor2: Ah, gotcha.  I could have been clearer there :)
[15:44] <davmor2> so I was thinking cut out gtk end of issue :)
[15:59] <ara> fader_, did you try this: http://q-funk.blogspot.com/2010/02/ubuntulucid-recovering-from-yesterdays.html
[15:59] <davmor2> ara: just finished reading that :)
[16:00] <fader_> ara: No, but I'll give it a shot.  I'm skeptical, as it's apt-get that's barfing rather than dpkg
[16:00] <fader_> It's entirely possible that it's a result of some ppa I've got turned on too -- I haven't really dug into it yet
[16:06] <davmor2> ara: I don't know that fader_ comes in here like he owns the joint waffles about problems he hasn't even looked at, and then has the nerve to whinge about them. :D
[16:06] <fader_> :P
[16:06] <fader_> davmor2: All I did was ask if today's update worked for you!
[16:06] <ara> :D
[16:06]  * fader_ storms off in a huff muttering about Wolverines or something.
[16:07] <davmor2> :D lol
[16:08] <Q-FUNK> alexmoldovan: I'm told that you work in the testing lab?  could you test a boot of Lucid on all the AMD Geode-based hardware you have on hand?  LTSP support on Lucid is at stake. possible regressions since Hardy.
[16:10] <fader_> Q-FUNK: What issue are you looking to reproduce?
[16:11] <Q-FUNK> fader_: two things: 1) on some LX800-based hardware I have, kernels since Karmic don't boot anymore.  there's a regression in the ACL code that makes the kernel crash loudly. I need to verify whether it affects only this platform or some other Geode-based products.
[16:11] <Q-FUNK> it could easily be a BIOS issue on this particular hardware vendor's platform.
[16:12] <fader_> Most of the stuff we have in the lab is Intel-based... I'll see if we have anything with an AMD Geode
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> 2) there seems to be regressions, possibly cause by recent changes in X server core that result in pixmap support being broken on xserver-xorg-video-geode.  again, I need to check whether this only affects this ION603, or all Geode-based products.
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> fader_: the thin clients you have are all geode-based.
[16:13] <fader_> Q-FUNK: Cool, I was just about to ask if you could narrow it down to a type of hardware, as I'm not familiar with Geode
[16:13] <Q-FUNK> some with a Geode GX, others with a Geode LX.  cr3 might remember which one has which.
[16:13]  * fader_ nods.
[16:14] <fader_> cr3: ^^^ off the top of your head do you remember if/where we have anything like this?
[16:14] <Q-FUNK> afaik you should have one ThinCan DBE61-PXE, plus a large collection of no-name products based on the old AMD reference designs.
[16:15] <Q-FUNK> I gave one dbe61 to cr3 in UDS Prague to keep as a reference in the lab.
[16:16] <Q-FUNK> you had some other Geode-based sample products from customers who had paid for certification.
[16:17] <fader_> Cool, should be a matter of just getting cr3 to take a look and tell us where they are :)
[16:17] <Q-FUNK> :)
[16:17] <fader_> He's promised device searching is coming so in the future we won't have to bug him to go scrape the db for us :D
[16:18] <Q-FUNK> smal black boxes the size of a small stack of CD, some of them in a small stand to keep them vertical on the desktop.
[16:19] <fader_> Unfortunately I'm not in Montreal so I can't look, but with that description maybe alexmoldovan can
[16:19] <fader_> alexmoldovan: ^^^
[16:19] <Q-FUNK> yes, hence why it had been suggested that alexmoldovan might be able to help.
[16:19] <fader_> Right :)
[16:19] <fader_> The description of the devices should help a great deal
[16:20] <cr3> alexmoldovan is currently in the lab, he should be in here shortly
[16:46] <alexmoldovan> I'm here
[16:49] <Q-FUNK> ah :)
[16:50] <alexmoldovan> so, what do you guys need...?
[16:53] <Q-FUNK> please scroll up
[16:57] <persia> Q-FUNK: Would you mind replacing your blog script with somethinng like "sudo sed -i 's#copy_exec /lib/udev/firmware.sh#copy_exec /lib/udev/firmware#' ?
[16:57] <persia> We try not to encourage users to run sudo against arbitrary download stuff.
[16:57]  * persia credits Rhonda with the snippet
[16:58] <Q-FUNK> I would. I don't condone anonymous arrogance.
[16:58] <persia> anonymous arrogance?
[16:59] <Q-FUNK> and this topic doesn't belong this this channel.
[17:00]  * persia only mentioned it because of backscroll 60 minutes ago referencing the post
[17:00] <persia> Q-FUNK: Ah, sorry.  That was 7 minutes before your join.  My apologies for confusion.
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> persia: just that the tone of whichever anonymous coward who posted that snipet as a comment on my blog was totally uncalled for.  the snipet itself is fine.
[17:03] <persia> Q-FUNK: Makes perfect sense.
[17:04] <Q-FUNK> besides, the above substitution could probably be made shorter.
[17:04] <Q-FUNK> but again, it's off-topic for this channel, IMHO.
[17:04] <persia> Indeed.  I just did `sed -i s/ware.sh/ware/` myself, although that's probably technically less correct.
[17:05] <persia> And fixed so that the current recommendation is `apt-get dist-upgrade` :)
[17:09] <alexmoldovan> Q-FUNK: we have 4 small thin clients here in Montreal. 2 with geode, the other 2 i don't know
[17:12] <Q-FUNK> I didn't dare put apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade.  it can easily remove too much stuff, especially when packages are constantly in transition.
[17:12] <persia> True, but I'm even more inclined to agree with you that we're drifting from topic : for a friendly suggestion, that's fine, but for a debate, I think it's not worth it :)
[17:13] <Q-FUNK> indeed
[17:15] <Q-FUNK> alexmoldovan: IIRc all the thin clients you have in MTL have a geode.
[17:16] <Q-FUNK> differnet geode generations but all geodes anyhow
[17:16] <alexmoldovan> ok
[17:16] <alexmoldovan> I'll see what i can do
[17:16] <Q-FUNK> thanks!
[19:19] <nagappan> alexmoldovan, yes :)
[19:20] <nagappan> alexmoldovan, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/519505
[19:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519505 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Pressing Enter or using sudo command with NVidia driver hangs / reboots the system (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[19:20] <nagappan> thanks cr3 :)
[20:15] <alexmoldovan> right, I'm on the machine