[00:07]  * tonyyarusso is doubtful
[00:08] <tonyyarusso> Superbowl ads are intended to generate a return on investment.  Unless you can convince a firm that spending 50 million to run the ad will bring them 100 million in additional profits (not gross revenue), they won't bother.
[00:08] <Takyoji_> Otherwise my system "froze". Apparently the wireless LED was off (which it normally isn't). Tried to switch to a terminal, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, Ctrl+Alt+Del, and so on. No reaction.
[00:08] <Takyoji_>  Yet the cursor could move.
[00:08] <Takyoji_>  When I tried switching to a terminal I had done Ctrl+Alt+F5
[00:10] <tonyyarusso> Sorry, apparently a 30-second spot "only" runs 3 million, so your bar is a little lower.
[00:11] <_diablo> lol
[00:18] <Takyoji_> Woo
[01:02] <Takyoji_> I wonder how much a typical school district's budget is spent towards software and operating system costs.
[01:02] <Takyoji_> I have quite a feeling that it would be a mortifying number
[01:08] <Alpha_Cluster> Takyoji_, actually its probably not as bad as you think
[01:08] <Takyoji_> Well my school supposedly pays like 10000/year for a web filter solution
[01:08] <Alpha_Cluster> i am sure they can weasle some good deals
[01:08] <Takyoji_> Or something in that general ballpark
[01:08] <Alpha_Cluster> really?
[01:08] <Alpha_Cluster> they can get that through opendns for like way less
[01:09] <Takyoji_> It's not DNS-based
[01:09] <Alpha_Cluster> ...
[01:09] <Alpha_Cluster> then its worthless
[01:09] <Takyoji_> All connections go through the system
[01:09] <Alpha_Cluster> oh so its a box?
[01:10] <Takyoji_> And if it even sees a blacklisted website's IP, it resets the connection to the server, and sends an error to the client
[01:10] <Alpha_Cluster> http://www.opendns.com/start/
[01:10] <Alpha_Cluster> oh look $2k a year with special school pricing
[01:10] <Alpha_Cluster> sounds like a steal
[01:11] <Takyoji_> and the filtering solution is also very restrictive
[01:11] <Takyoji_> Anything blog-like in nature is even blocked.
[01:11] <Alpha_Cluster> oh they always do that
[01:11] <Takyoji_> Even wikiversity is blocked for being a "blog"
[01:11] <Alpha_Cluster> before i graduated from HS they were blocking myspace
[01:11] <Alpha_Cluster> course you could get to porn sites accedentally still
[01:11] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[01:12] <Takyoji_> then opensourcecinema.com is blocked for "video sharing"
[01:12] <Takyoji_> So then is sharing a bad thing or what?
[01:12] <Takyoji_> It's just pathetic
[01:12] <Takyoji_> The solution is called 8e6 R3000
[01:13] <Alpha_Cluster> in america sharing can only mean illegal terrorist supporting activies remember
[01:13] <Takyoji_> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1532787,00.asp
[01:14] <Alpha_Cluster> why the hell would you use this when opendns would solve the issue i dont get it
[01:14] <Alpha_Cluster> do people not get how the internet works?
[01:14] <kermit> opendns would solve what?
[01:14] <Alpha_Cluster> 99% of school filtering that they feel is need
[01:14] <Alpha_Cluster> remember we must "protect" the children
[01:15] <Alpha_Cluster> god forbid they learn about this crazy sharing concept
[01:15] <Takyoji_> spreadfirefox is also blocked
[01:15] <Alpha_Cluster> again sharing
[01:15] <Alpha_Cluster> we wouldnt want to allow that
[01:15] <Alpha_Cluster> or choice
[01:15] <Alpha_Cluster> god forbid you use a none IE browser
[01:16] <kermit> i still havent figured out what opendns even does
[01:16] <Alpha_Cluster> kermit, opendns is just a dns solution
[01:16] <kermit> i guess it's like facebook.. you just have to use it to understand.
[01:16] <kermit> solution.. to what probelm?
[01:16] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[01:16] <Alpha_Cluster> well if your isp has a crapy dns it can speed up your dns lookups
[01:16] <kermit> usingy our ISP's DNS is dumb
[01:16] <Alpha_Cluster> also if you want to say block porn you can configure opendns to block it
[01:17] <Alpha_Cluster> lol exactly
[01:17] <Alpha_Cluster> i use opendns instead
[01:17] <Takyoji_> mozillazine
[01:17] <Takyoji_> ideastorm
[01:17] <Takyoji_> ostatic
[01:17] <Takyoji_> wikihow
[01:17] <Alpha_Cluster> plus i get nice stats
[01:17] <Takyoji_> games.slashdot.com (but not Slashdot; man it probably has games on it!)
[01:17] <Takyoji_> legaltorrents is also blocked
[01:17] <Takyoji_> The Microformats specification is blocked
[01:17] <Takyoji_> etc
[01:17] <Alpha_Cluster> Takyoji_, of course they could learn nothing from a game
[01:17] <kermit> so opendns is for blocking sites by name?
[01:17] <Takyoji_> But yea, that's just how my school district works with the very "apt" (who tried to have both Apache and IIS bind to specifically port 80 on the exact same server) district technologists
[01:18] <Takyoji_> (and didn't know why Apache couldn't start with IIS actively running bound to port 80..)
[01:18] <Alpha_Cluster> well it can it does it by catagories too
[01:18] <Alpha_Cluster> also kermit its just a good alternate dns
[01:19] <Takyoji_> WOT is also useful
[01:19] <kermit> alternate? it resolves different names?
[01:19] <Alpha_Cluster> eh somewhat
[01:19] <Alpha_Cluster> kermit, no it just is something other then a ISP's dns
[01:19] <kermit> its just another isp's dns
[01:20] <kermit> why use any third party dns?
[01:20] <Alpha_Cluster> cause its faster
[01:20] <Alpha_Cluster> most isps dns's are shit
[01:20] <kermit> using a third party dns is not faster
[01:20] <Takyoji_> They have filtering capabilities and so on
[01:20] <Alpha_Cluster> um yes it generally is
[01:20] <kermit> an isp's dns is a third party
[01:20] <kermit> opendns is a third party
[01:20] <kermit> using either is not faster than not using a third party
[01:21] <Alpha_Cluster> um... what do you mean?
[01:21] <Alpha_Cluster> do you host your own dns?
[01:21] <Alpha_Cluster> and what dns does taht point to :p
[01:21] <kermit> 'host my own dns' ?
[01:21] <kermit> i dont use my isp's dns, i dont use opendns
[01:21] <Alpha_Cluster> then your still using a third parties
[01:22] <kermit> who?
[01:22] <Alpha_Cluster> domains dont just work out of air
[01:22] <kermit> i know how dns works, the impression i'm under is that most opendns customers dont.
[01:22] <Alpha_Cluster> ... op top domain for my netowkr is *.l.google.com then time.apple.com waht does that mean about me?
[01:23] <Alpha_Cluster> um i understand how it works as well
[01:23] <Alpha_Cluster> do you like to a higher up dns? Cause last i checked that is kinda considered rude liek downloading form a root sync server
[01:24] <kermit> you think it's rude to not use a third party dns?
[01:25] <kermit> the TTL on TLDs is 2 days
[01:25] <Alpha_Cluster> i know
[01:25] <Alpha_Cluster> trust me i understand the internt
[01:25] <Alpha_Cluster> Internet
[01:26] <Alpha_Cluster> now if i could just spell :(
[01:28] <kermit> i don't think it's rude to query authoratative servers, they can set the TTL higher if they want.
[01:28] <Alpha_Cluster> it really isnt its just third party dns's exist for a reason
[01:28] <kermit> or get more hardware, dont the TLD servers make a fortune anyway.
[01:28] <Alpha_Cluster> to relieve congestion on the authoriative ones
[01:29] <kermit> if a billion computers rebooted every day, that averages to 1200 requests per second accross the root servers
[01:30] <kermit> a pentium 133MHz could handle that easily
[01:30] <kermit> bind is fast
[01:30] <Alpha_Cluster> i know
[01:33] <Alpha_Cluster> i just would rather use opendns anyways since they have good services
[01:33] <Alpha_Cluster> i like knowing the stats for my dns stuff
[01:33] <Alpha_Cluster> but i am also thinking of seting up a caching proxy server again
[01:37] <kermit> i run one on my openwrt router
[01:49] <Alpha_Cluster> ahh
[02:59] <Takyoji_> So; what would be our next step of world domination?
[03:00] <Takyoji_> next step to world domination*
[03:01] <tonyyarusso> good question
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> I see them as falling into two categories:
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> 1)  Energizing our existing base, and getting people active.
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> 2)  Raising awareness externally.
[03:04] <Takyoji_> Woo: I'm in the 538th position of the Ubuntu Folding@Home team
[03:05] <Takyoji_> I feel very [un]important. :D
[03:05] <Takyoji_> http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=45104
[03:23] <Takyoji_> Folding@Home supposedly is partially open source
[03:23] <Takyoji_> http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-OpenSource
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, but boinc is fully open source, so they'll get any computing power I'm going to give.
[03:37] <Takyoji_> ahh
[03:41] <Takyoji_> Does it utilize the GPU as well, or not?
[03:45] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[03:48] <h00k> tonyyarusso: thanks again.
[04:11] <Takyoji_> So in what ways are OAuth and OpenID different?
[04:18] <Takyoji_> In terms of purpose
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> I understand OpenID.  I don't really understand OAuth.  :P
[04:34] <tonyyarusso> However, I *think* they go sort of in opposite directions.
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> One is for a human to log into a site using an external source, the other is for a site to get data from an external source for the human.
[04:41] <Takyoji_> ahh
[05:20] <Takyoji_> leaving for the night
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> Check out our new web site shiny:  http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/content/ubuntu-hour-st-paul
[07:10] <tonyyarusso> Somebody remind me to enable proper caching on the web site in a month or two so our performance doesn't suck once I've done most of the early fiddling.
[16:32] <h00k> Sweet! shiny, shiny!
[20:16] <tonyyarusso> Hey, if any TC folks are free, come join us at the Roseville Barnes & Noble in a little over an hour.
[20:17] <tonyyarusso> ( mr_steve, exigraff, bdunnette ? )
[20:21] <mr_steve> ooh I wish I could but I gotta be leaving for class around then :(
[20:21] <tonyyarusso> Class is overrated.
[20:22] <tonyyarusso> (Well, at least the one I'm in right now is)
[20:26] <mr_steve> tell me about it. Tonight is my 3:30 long world history class
[21:28] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I concur.
[21:34] <Takyoji_> Apparently I noticed that the coloration of the background is inconsistent with the color of the background image on my web design; upon viewing it on a different screen today..
[22:45] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: you should create an Event (content type) on the site for your Ubuntu Hour this week.
[23:25] <Takyoji_> So I take it that there's no keyboard shortcut for opening a terminal window with a vanilla installation of Ubuntu?
[23:27] <mr_steve> Takyoji_: not that I know of
[23:51] <Takyoji_> They should associate a key combination for that eventually..