[00:00] <comawhite> Torch: hahahah
[00:03] <ddfire> that solved my problem!!!
[00:04] <ddfire> now i have a new one... "Could not create python ScriptEngine for the Plasmacon Widget"
[00:04] <kaddi> hi, i recently upgraded to kde 4.4. Now everytime I drag a window to the top left of my desktop it gets maximized. I find this seriously annoying but can't seem to find the setting to undo it. Anyone know?
[00:04] <kaddi> uh, make that top right
[00:05] <[GuS]> ohhh great.. since last updates now i cant log into a terminal (ctrl+alt+f1), has a buggy mix of colors... and i cant do nothing..
[00:05] <comawhite> kaddi: you can disable it
[00:05] <kaddi> comawhite: where?
[00:05] <inclement> kaddi: System settings, Desktop, Screen Edges
[00:05] <comawhite> System Settings -> Desktop ->Screen Edges -> Maximise
[00:06] <kaddi> oh
[00:06] <kaddi> what does "tile windows by dragging them to he side of the screen" do?
[00:07] <comawhite> kaddi: like an MDI client would do
[00:07] <comawhite> kaddi: you know the desktop switcher when you have 4 or more
[00:08] <kaddi> yes
[00:08] <comawhite> it will continue doing that each time you tile a window
[00:09] <comawhite> basically just like tiles in a bathroom wall
[00:09] <comawhite> xD
[00:09] <kaddi> uhm, that i don't understand...
[00:09] <kaddi> oh
[00:09] <kaddi> lol
[00:09] <comawhite> lol
[00:09] <comawhite> better?
[00:09] <comawhite> :P
[00:10] <kaddi> i just disabled it :p
[00:10] <comawhite> ;þ
[00:14] <ddfire> please any one... "Could not create python ScriptEngine for the <any widget> Widget"
[00:16] <Greenery> update to KDE SC 4.4, my sound can only play one application at a time. Example, if I play music on AMarok first then I open up dragonplayer to play a movie, Dragonplayer will not have sound and notification saying that sound playback doesn't work. Any idea how?
[00:16] <raid> lol KDE SC 4.4 update is fucking up for everyone
[00:17] <raid> there are so many threads about it in the kubuntu forums
[00:18] <comawhite> Greenery: try using xine instead of pulseaudio
[00:18] <comawhite> or gstreamer
[00:18] <Greenery> i'm using xine atm
[00:19] <crimsun> ...PA isn't shipped in Kubuntu. Please actually verify that PulseAudio is in fact running if you're going to suggest that!
[00:19] <comawhite> crimsun: I thought PA was
[00:20] <crimsun> comawhite: no, it isn't. If it were by default, I would have been the one to make it so.
[00:20] <rmrfslash> I upgraded to KDE 4.4 however when I login my display is black with t a hugemouse cursor. I have to switch toa VT then back to at least get to the desktop. That procedure seems to work reliably, but this is a mess
[00:20] <comawhite> crimsun: sorry?
[00:21] <crimsun> comawhite: PA isn't shipped by default in Kubuntu. I'm its primary maintainer in Ubuntu; there is much resistance to seeing it seeded by default in Kubuntu.
[00:21] <rmrfslash> can someone please help (if anyone knows how to help w/ this)
[00:21] <macintux> Hello Kubuntu IRC, Can someone assist me in remapping the keyboard keys? I want to make the right Apple button be a right click. I do not however want to make a script to run at login i would rather have it always be this way without having to run that script. Can someone assist me?
[00:21] <comawhite> crimsun: yeah that's why I assumed Kubuntu had it
[00:22] <crimsun> comawhite: nope. Neither Xubuntu, Kubuntu, nor Mythbuntu ship it by default.
[00:23] <rmrfslash> My VTs are useless
[00:23] <rmrfslash> just a bunch of colored lines
[00:23] <dmatt> rmrfslash:  i filed a bug for it https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226392 but it is only for kubuntu, so it should go to launchpad
[00:24] <rmrfslash> so should I file in launchpad?
[00:24] <rmrfslash> or can you just cut/past into launchpad?
[00:24] <jrmy> paquet installé
[00:24] <ddfire> rmrfslash, i solved something like that instaling desktop-plasma o plasma-desktop
[00:24] <rmrfslash> dmatt: is this the same behavior?
[00:24] <jrmy> je fait comment maintenant ?
[00:24] <rmrfslash> are your VTs completely useless?
[00:24] <macintux> Can Someone help me remap my keyboard in Kubuntu 9.10?
[00:25] <dmatt> rmrfslash: just color stripes
[00:25] <jrmy> francais  ?
[00:25] <Greenery> hmmm, I hope my sound playback is KDE SC 4.4 fault
[00:25] <rmrfslash> dmatt: do you need  to switch to a VT then back to F7 to see the desktop?
[00:25] <jrmy> do you speack french ?
[00:26] <rmrfslash> when you boot up?
[00:26] <dmatt> rmrfslash: I use ALT-E for kdm restart - but it is all written in that bug text
[00:26] <rmrfslash> This is a disaster/
[00:26] <rmrfslash> wtf.
[00:27] <rmrfslash> I had my machine working perfectly yesterday
[00:27] <jrmy> bonjour
[00:27] <rmrfslash> got all kinds of issues squared away, skype issues, sound issues
[00:27] <rmrfslash> then I was like "hey kde 4.4"........ f*cked
[00:27] <millun> Hi
[00:27] <jrmy> do you speak frnch N
[00:27] <jrmy> ?
[00:28] <millun> Trying to restore MBR but my /boot is sda5 and / is sda6
[00:28] <rmrfslash> and I def don't like the VMware logos splattered all over KDE 4.4 now
[00:28] <jrmy> francais
[00:28] <jrmy> ???
[00:29] <ddfire> rmrfslash, try installing plasma-desktop package
[00:29] <ddfire> apt-get install ....
[00:29] <dmatt> rmrfslash: same story here
[00:29] <rmrfslash> ddfire: plasma-desktop is already the newest version.
[00:29] <jrmy> do you speak french ???
[00:30] <rmrfslash> that's all I get from apt-get install plasma-desktop (though I'm not sure why it _woudn't_ be installed)
[00:30] <dmatt> !fr
[00:30] <inclement> dmatt: It looks like the bug report has been marked 'solved' as requiring just a reboot to fix, but this is wrong?
[00:30] <rmrfslash> that's not a solution
[00:30] <dmatt> inclement: I rebooted 10x at least
[00:30] <rmrfslash> me too
[00:31] <inclement> dmatt: I thought so, I have the same problem :)
[00:31] <rmrfslash> I send my bug report to Kubuntu with the little Send Bug Report thingie
[00:31] <dmatt> I saw two new upgrades if it doesnt help I open the same bug on launchpad
[00:31] <rmrfslash> probably just pipes the report to /dev/null
[00:32] <rmrfslash> I have no updates
[00:32] <dmatt> rmrfslash: it did work for me when I reported bug last time
[00:32] <macintux> Is there a way to turn off the touchpad on my laptop with a key combo??
[00:32] <rmrfslash> damn you kde... you're so beautiful yet so buggy
[00:32] <dmatt> I have kubuntu-default-settings
[00:33] <rmrfslash> I get nothign
[00:33] <rmrfslash> apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[00:33] <rmrfslash> nothing
[00:34] <rmrfslash> nothing in kpackagekit... though I assume it's a frontend to apt-get
[00:34] <dmatt> check current version dpkg -l|grep kubuntu
[00:35] <rmrfslash> I have a few things that show up when I run that cmd
[00:35] <rmrfslash> all say "ii" next to em
[00:36] <dmatt> what is the version of kubuntu-default-settings ?
[00:36] <rmrfslash> ii  kubuntu-default-settings                                    1:10.04ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1                      Default settings and artwork for the Kubuntu
[00:36] <rmrfslash> "for the Kubuntu" heheh
[00:37] <dmatt> so you already have that upgrade i will apply later
[00:38] <dmatt> I am going to reboot, upgrade and see what happens
[00:38] <rmrfslash> k
[00:38] <dmatt> and file bug mostly likely
[00:38] <rmrfslash> tell me how it goes
[00:38] <dmatt> yep
[00:41] <jrmy> yoooooooooooooooooo
[00:41] <jrmy> je suis francais sa va bien ?
[00:41] <kaddi> !fr
[00:42] <jrmy> re
[00:45] <macintux> Can someone help me with setting up a hotkey and a keyboard remap?
[00:52] <k4ever> hi all.  is there an software button or widget for kde 4 that will activate the cover switch or flip switch desktop effect like there is in windows vista?
[00:54] <Admiral_Chicago> having an install error...
[00:55] <darthanubis> k4ever: alt-tab?
[00:55] <Admiral_Chicago> as I update to Karmic. Kdebase runtime  won't install correctly
[00:55] <Admiral_Chicago>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/plasmapkg', which is also in package libplasma2
[00:55] <dmatt> rmrfslash: still the same.
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> k4ever: alt + tab?
[00:55] <rmrfslash> I figured
[00:55] <rmrfslash> it's s segfault somewhere
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> Admiral_Chicago: uninstall libplasma2, it's from kde 4.2  times
[00:55] <rmrfslash> is there a KDE log?
[00:56] <dmatt> /var/log/kdm.log i suppose
[00:56] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks JontheEchidna
[00:56] <vicent> hello
[00:56] <rmrfslash> yeah saw that
[00:57] <rmrfslash> no errors in it though
[00:58] <k4ever> i'm looking for a software button i can add to the panel that will do cover/flip switch.  i use the one in the panel for windows vista at work and its the only thing from vista i like
[00:58] <Admiral_Chicago> JontheEchidna: I removed it but its still throwin the error..... trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/plasmapkg', which is also in package libplasma2
[00:58] <dmatt> rmrfslash: could you pls check, if you have another .kde folder inside standard .kde folder?
[00:59] <jrmy> fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaancais ?
[00:59] <jrmy> francais
[00:59] <rmrfslash> dmatt: i don't
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> Admiral_Chicago: could you paste the full log at !pastebin please?
[00:59] <poggop> I am getting a weird acpi error in dmesg constantly, what does this mean? http://paste.ubuntu.com/374322/  Please help, me entire demsg is this.
[00:59] <rmrfslash> dmatt: you mean ~/.kde/.kde?
[00:59] <dmatt> yep
[01:00] <jrmy> je suis francais
[01:00] <Duskao> jrmy: nope
[01:00] <jrmy> hein ?
[01:01] <Duskao>  anyone know how to get konqueror to cooperate with getdeb/playdeb?
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> JontheEchidna: apparently, not.  Konqueror won't load with a http error...can I message it to you...
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> Admiral_Chicago: sure
[01:01] <kaddi> !fr | jrmy
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> Admiral_Chicago: ok, do a "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.3.2-0ubuntu4.1_i386.deb", which should allow kdebase-runtime to install leaving you to be able to remove libplasma2
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> still getting an error
[01:05] <rmrfslash> dmatt: no, I do not have a ~/.kde/.kde then
[01:12] <Duskao> so?
[01:13] <Duskao>  anyone know how to get konqueror to cooperate with getdeb/playdeb?
[01:13] <Duskao> or configure konqueror to use apturl-kde with those?
[01:18] <dmatt> rmrfslash: I filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/520762
[01:19] <rmrfslash> thanks... hopefully they solve it soon
[01:19] <rmrfslash> this is really a drag
[01:19] <rmrfslash> I'll second the bug
[01:19] <Duskao> rmrfslash: whats your issue?
[01:19] <dmatt> thanks
[01:19] <rmrfslash> Dusako: look @ the bug report dmatt filed
[01:20] <rmrfslash> we're both using fglrx
[01:20] <dmatt> rmrfslash: do you have virtualbox installed?
[01:20] <Duskao> rmrfslash: yeah, just did. I tried it before just reinstalled Kubuntu and I'm sticking with 4.3.2 for a bit
[01:20] <rmrfslash> no
[01:21] <Duskao> yeah, fglrx here as well, but I tried it with the regular config as well, got a similar problem that way.
[01:22] <Duskao> sorry, by regular config, I mean the open source drivers that come with the default kubuntu configuration.
[01:22] <Duskao> aka Radeon drivers
[01:24] <dmatt> Duskao: I wanted to test it now but if it did not work for you...
[01:24] <Duskao> dmatt: well, you can always try it, but I didn't have any luck with it.
[01:27] <rmrfslash> Dusakao: can you supplement the bug report to make it seem like it's a problem. They'll only take the bug seriously if a few ppl are experiencing it.
[01:27] <dmatt> I am sort of out of ideas what to try next...
[01:28] <rmrfslash> even if you just say "same here"
[01:28] <rmrfslash> maybe I should try reinstalling my graphics driver
[01:28] <rmrfslash> not that that would do anything
[01:28] <dmatt> I did that already
[01:29] <Duskao> dmatt: I got the command line for login. so I did so and tried to start the plasma-desktop from there, but it wouldn't work. Was saying I didn't have X11 installed, so I tried reinstalling it but with no avail
[01:29] <Duskao> rmrfslash: sure
[01:30] <rmrfslash> dmatt: you tried reinstalling the driver?
[01:30] <dmatt> Duskao: there should be some button "affects me too" or something similar
[01:30] <dmatt> rmrfslash: yes
[01:30] <dmatt> I tried older kernel too, same problem
[01:31] <rmrfslash> little concerning that this is fglrx users... not that this surprises me
[01:32] <Nishin> Wassup
[01:33] <Nishin> Certainly quieter in here than #ubuntu.
[01:33] <Duskao> posted
[01:34] <Nishin> While I'm here, I may as well ask for a little knowledge.
[01:34] <Duskao> Nishin: yep, usually is.
[01:34] <Nishin> Is anyone here familiar with Wubi?
[01:34] <Duskao> Nishin: negative
[01:34] <Nishin> Duskao: Dang.
[01:35] <Duskao> Nishin: I'm sure someone else is though :D
[01:35] <dmatt> Nishin: me little bit
[01:35] <Nishin> Well, I installed Kubuntu last night with it and it ran as if from a live CD.
[01:35] <Duskao> I'm glad that the kde 4.4 thing isn't only affecting me :d
[01:35] <Nishin> Uhhh...issat supposed to happen?
[01:36] <Duskao> Nishin: what do you mean? try to elaborate with that.
[01:36] <dmatt> Nishin: what is the problem?
[01:36] <Nishin> No settings/files/programs (etc) are saved on reboot.
[01:36] <Nishin> And it classes me as "Live session user" if I recall correctly.
[01:37] <Duskao> Nishin: you did this from wubi?
[01:37] <Nishin> My desktop's Wubi-ing Ubuntu as we speak.
[01:37] <Duskao> Nishin: you did remove the disk right?
[01:37] <Nishin> Duskao: Yes.
[01:37] <dmatt> Nishin: sounds like you forgot CD inside :)
[01:37] <Nishin> I never had a disk.
[01:37] <Duskao> Nishin: unmount the .sio
[01:37] <Duskao> Nishin: .iso...
[01:38] <Duskao> Nishin: you are likely still running off the disk.
[01:38] <dmatt> Nishin: if you boot into Wubi correctly, you should have boot menu with Ubuntu and windows at the beginning
[01:38] <Duskao> Nishin: or .iso as it may be.
[01:39] <Nishin> dmatt: The installation could have messed up considering I just left Wubi on overnight.
[01:40] <Duskao> Nishin: unlikely, but possible. It isn't necessary to leave it for a long period of time, should only take 10 to 15 min with a semi recent computer.
[01:40] <dmatt> Nishin: unlikely
[01:40] <Nishin> Duskao: Takes several hours for Wubi to download the ISO for the installation, though.
[01:41] <Duskao> Nishin: oh right.
[01:41] <Nishin> I guess I'll see how Ubuntu works.
[01:41] <Walzmyn> I just made the 4.4 upgrade and I've not got a second panel/taskbar (keep mine on top, this one is on bottom) is this normal?
[01:42] <Duskao> Nishin: you should have the ubuntu.iso already though I believe
[01:42] <Nishin> Duskao: I should? That's news to me.
[01:42] <olskolirc> I can't save my changes to kmenuedit
[01:42] <Duskao> Walzmyn: how did you upgrade to 4.4? you might have a mish mash of 4.3 and 4.4
[01:43] <olskolirc> ok wait
[01:43] <Duskao> Nishin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzomQf-N-X0    here's a tutorial for wubi
[01:43] <olskolirc> I'm on Intrepid Ibex, and I can't save my changes in my kmenuedit
[01:43] <Walzmyn> I enabled the repo from the website announcement and installed all upgrades
[01:44] <Duskao> Walzmyn: I mean, did you use kpackagekit? apt-get? aptitude? adept????
[01:44] <Nishin> Duskao: You'll have to forgive my lack of Linux knowledge. I've installed so many Windows packages but not even come near Linux.
[01:44] <Duskao> Nishin: everyone starts somewhere.
[01:44] <Duskao> Nishin: don't blame me if you get hooked :P
[01:45] <olskolirc> do we have a bot here to ask questions?
[01:45] <Walzmyn> I was just wondering if 4.4 was showing of something new with the new panel
[01:45] <Walzmyn> !hi | olskolirc
[01:45] <Duskao> olskolirc: there's a flood bot
[01:45] <olskolirc> I'm on Intrepid Ibex, and I can't save my changes in my kmenuedit
[01:46] <Walzmyn> Which one's Ibex, is that 9.10?
[01:46] <Nishin> Duskao: Hopefully, if I get a new laptop, I can dual boot Ubuntu, since my current 18.6 GB HDD won't do. I have to use my parents' computer for and Linux-ing.
[01:46] <olskolirc> 8.10
[01:47] <Walzmyn> olskolirc: mind if I ask why you're on 8.10?
[01:47] <olskolirc> this is the only version that works with my virtualbox.  the others make my vbox audio sound like its under water
[01:48] <Duskao> brb guys
[01:48] <Walzmyn> olskolirc: ok.
[01:49] <Nishin> Duskao: Righto.
[01:49] <olskolirc> how do I save my kmenu Walzmyn
[01:49] <Duskao> nvm, not leaving yet... :P
[01:49] <Walzmyn> olskolirc: if the save button at the top of the editor dosn't work, i've no idea
[01:50] <Duskao> Walzmyn: I wonder if he somehow lost control of it and will have to use chmod for it. I don't know enough aboutit though to help.
[01:50] <dmatt> olskolirc: if it is system file, it can be edited only if you run editor wit sudo
[01:50] <olskolirc> its a program i downloaded
[01:50] <olskolirc> I can't save no changes in my menu to none of my programs dmatt
[01:50] <Duskao> Nishin: honestly, I would just install kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu/lubuntu off a live disk anyway, seems easier to me, but whatever.
[01:51] <dmatt> what exactly means change in menu? explain more what you trying to do
[01:51] <diablodf> discovering password archive .xls?
[01:53] <Walzmyn> olskolirc: what program did you download?
[01:54] <Nishin> Duskao: It seems I did what the guy didn't recommend and had Wubi download the ISO.
[01:54] <Duskao> Nishin: could have been part of the issue I suppose
[01:54] <Nishin> Guess I'll torrent that .
[01:54] <Duskao> Nishin: I would
[01:54] <olskolirc> Second Life
[01:55] <olskolirc> I had this problem before Walzmyn but I don't remember the bug fix
[01:55] <Walzmyn> olskolirc: why's second life trying to edit kmenu?
[01:55] <Walzmyn> olskolirc: oh, yer trying to put second life into your kmenu?
[01:59] <olskolirc> anything I untar Walzmyn
[02:00] <olskolirc> I just did a reinstall and forgot to save the link about the kmenuedit fix
[02:04] <Duskao> now I'll brb
[02:05] <Nishin> k
[02:11] <dmatt> I am leaving, only 4 precious hours left for sleep
[02:12] <Nishin> righto
[02:13] <CPrgmSwR2> I am having issues with sound only comming out of headphones jack
[02:13] <dmatt> well, we have another 36 upgrades rolled out now
[02:13] <CPrgmSwR2> I do not have sound out of speakers
[02:15] <dmatt> I give it a try
[02:16] <RelookNA> evening all
[02:17] <Nishin> ahoy
[02:17] <RelookNA> Anybody know why if I accidentally hit "print screen" key , it will give me 10's of snapshots?
[02:18] <RelookNA> All I can do is hit the reset button , it will never stop popping new snapshots
[02:18] <Nishin> I've no idea. It's a shame our two experts aren't present.
[02:18] <RelookNA> ok, tks
[02:18] <RelookNA> I'll sit around an wait :)
[02:18] <Nishin> Sorry, I'm kinda useless when it comes to Linux. [/newb]
[02:20] <RelookNA> me too in alot of ways
[02:21] <RelookNA> linux sat receivers got me hooked on linux originally
[02:21] <Nishin> I have a desktop downstairs that's Wubi-ing Ubuntu as we speak.
[02:22] <Nishin> Unfortunately, I went about Kubuntu the wrong way and messed up the Wubi installation
[02:24] <RelookNA> i used to multiboot this desktop, but now a full kubuntu with wine instead
[02:24] <RelookNA> left the oother desktop as winblows for the wife :)
[02:25] <Nishin> I'm using Wubi to see how Linux is.
[02:25] <Nishin> I''m a long-time user of Windows (XP FTW).
[02:25] <RelookNA> yep, dunno till you test it out :)
[02:29] <dmatt> last upgrade did not solve KDM login issue
[02:37] <CPrgmSwR2> I have a Nvidia sound card Codec: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) and I cannot get sound to come out of my speakers
[02:39] <kaddi> hi, eversince the update to kernel 31-19 my fans seem to be constantly running. Is there anything I can do to reduce that? (lower temp or reduce fan rotation? )
[02:43] <macintux> Anyone know why Amarok doesn't work with LastFM? - "Paying subscription needed"
[02:44] <macintux> This place seems empty
[02:49] <Duskao> macintux: pretty sure you need a subscription
[02:49] <macintux> Duskao: It's free on LastFM's client. And I'm in the USA, I think only non US need subscript.
[02:49] <Duskao> macintux: guess thats why I need one.
[02:50] <macintux> Duskao: You know how to remap keys in Kubuntu or how to change the appearance of Amarok back to the older version?
[02:53] <Duskao> macintux: you have to download the themes for amarok. Check out settings... trying to remember where the key bindings are in there...
[02:54] <macintux> Duskao: I need to remap the Apple's Eject button, the Right apple key to F12/Mouse Right Click.
[02:54] <bobbob1016> I went to 4.4 and I now have some weird artifacting at the top of my left screen:  http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-1_1.1265943175.png  I have an Nvidia card with closed drivers and compiz running, but I still get the artifacting with kwin, any ideas?
[02:55] <Duskao> macintux: settings -> keyboard & mouse might have what you are looking for.
[02:56] <Duskao> bobbob1016: I would submit a bug. There are still lots of bugs with kde 4.4. Us poor ati users can't even get past the kdm...
[02:56] <macintux> Duskao: That doesn't work sadly, I tried that already, =( You wouldnt happen to know how to disable my touchpad temporarily either would you>
[02:56] <Hellmark[S10e]> Duskao, what bug are you having?
[02:56] <Duskao> macintux: sorry man. I don't run linux on a mac. No clue.
[02:57] <macintux> Duskao: I'm definately not a mac person either. I had two laptop die on me and this was sitting around. Its a PITA xD I'm used to running Linux on a Desktop. I havent really used (k)ubuntu since 6.x
[02:58] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: when I upgraded to 4.4 I would get a black screen, then freeze. Then after restart cli. after trying to start plasma-desktop from cli it would say that X11 isn't installed (it is) tried reinstalling it. Didn't work. Tried with fglrx and Radeon drivers.
[03:00] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: I already commented on a bug on lauchpad.
[03:01] <Hellmark[S10e]> Duskao, I had something similar.
[03:01] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: you fixed it?
[03:01] <Hellmark[S10e]> black screen, then it puked a message bitching about low resolution mode.
[03:01] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: yeah, some others have had that as well.
[03:02] <Hellmark[S10e]> cursor wouldn't move, keyboard nonresponsive.
[03:02] <Hellmark[S10e]> had to do a hard reset
[03:02] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: exactly
[03:02] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: how'd you fix it?
[03:02] <Hellmark[S10e]> I upgraded every single package, and I can get KDE to start now,
[03:02] <Hellmark[S10e]> but
[03:03] <Hellmark[S10e]> I still get the random freezes
[03:03] <Duskao> Hellmark[S10e]: yeah, still lots of fixed need to be done for 4.4 I'm amazed it's released to be honest.
[03:03] <Hellmark[S10e]> ditto
[03:04] <Hellmark[S10e]> Right now, I said fuck it, and just dropped on IceWM
[03:04] <Duskao> lol
[03:04] <Duskao> well, I gotta run. Catch you later.
[03:09] <twoten_> I just installed Kubuntu 9.04 on my machine, and all the sytem dialogs are being rendered in a totally unreadable font, how can I change this when all the dialogs are gibberish?
[03:40] <deadduck> i'm having a problem. I just upgraded my kubuntu to kde 4.4 and now as soon as kdm loads the computer turns itself off immediately unless i run startx as root. anyone have any ideas how I can debug this?
[03:43] <RaNdY> Hi, I was updating to bash 4.1 when I've accidentally deleted /bin/bash which was my default. And now I can't login to the system, any ideas on how to enter the system again?
[03:44] <deadduck> RaNdY, restore it from the live cd maybe
[03:46] <RaNdY> Will that work fine? Because system is still online now, maybe other ways to enter it?
[03:54] <Planetary> I am soo sick of flash not being smooth
[04:01] <lucitu> hi..where can I change the default image for the caps?
[04:01] <rex_> testing testing
[04:14] <satepc> I installed 4.4, and now my network manager won't open..
[04:20] <satepc> of buzz off 242 users on,everyons afk
[04:26] <snarkfish> anyone else having issues with adding printers in kde4.3
[04:27] <snarkfish> i cant seem to remove printer after they are installed
[04:28] <snarkfish> the printers that are installed dont work anymore
[04:30] <snarkfish> when i go to add a new printer it shows HP_LaserJet_5SiMX @ (server name) with this showing in the Device URL dnssd://HP_LaserJet_5SiMX%20%40%20Max._ipp._tcp.local/cups
[04:45] <snarkfish> anyone alive in here?
[05:02] <rafase282> hello
[05:03] <rafase282> can someone help me with my hdd?
[05:23] <rmrfslash> dmatt: you there?
[06:12] <vbgunz> any solution to the nepomuk agent disabled? nepomuk not running?
[06:12] <vbgunz> also any fix for tty 1 thorugh 6?
[06:12] <vbgunz> I can no longer access those tty
[06:17] <vbgunz> gonna try something
[06:19] <xjjk> hello, anyone else using Konsole with KDE 4.4? I'm having a font rendering problem
[06:20] <xjjk> http://caligula.rhombic.net/~xjjk/konsole-clipped.png <- that, stuff is clipped with certain fonts (Inconsolata on the left, DejaVu Sans mono on the right)
[06:20] <xjjk> can someone confirm?
[06:41] <user___> hello
[06:41] <user___> I've got a big problem
[06:41] <user___> I need kde 4.3 under jaunty
[06:41] <user___> but the backports doesn't contain anymore 4.3
[06:41] <user___> or do they?
[06:43] <Zoot365> hi room
[06:44] <Zoot365> I read this in a set of instructions I wes following: $ sudo gedit /etc/rc.local
[06:44] <Zoot365> You can put the following blue line to /etc/rc.local (before the "exit 0" line) so it's set at boot up:
[06:45] <Zoot365> when he says blue line, is he just talking out of idiom.
[06:46] <robwlo531> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 9.10 and had the beta repository active for getting the latest KDE SC. How can I "upgrade" to the KDE SC 4.4 in the backports now?
[06:47] <user___> look at www.kubuntu.org. I tried to upgrade yesterday and my system crashed.
[06:51] <robwlo531> user: looked at that page before and also have the backports repo active. but i don't get the SC 4.4 packages listed as updates to my beta packages.
[06:53] <user___> konsole: sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:53] <user___> and konsole: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:53] <user___> but i wouldn't do it
[06:53] <user___> a lot of users have problems with kdm
[06:54] <robwlo531> user: tried it, but still there's nothing to update
[06:54] <robwlo531> user: i just want to update amarok ;-)
[06:54] <user___> :-)
[06:55] <user___> first a sudo apt-get update and then upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[06:55] <robwlo531> user: exactly, but no updates occur
[06:56] <user___> you have really added the backports? I mean you can see an active backport source in kpackagekit?
[06:57] <robwlo531> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-backports restricted main multiverse universe
[06:57] <robwlo531> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[06:57] <robwlo531> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu karmic main
[06:57] <robwlo531> user: this is how the last lines look in my sources.list
[06:58] <poyntz> the last upgrade killed plasma desktop
[06:58] <poyntz> can anyone help me get it back?
[06:58] <spacitymedic> help!!!! hOW DO I install software for lightscribe that i just downloaded... i have the rpg file thing...
[06:58] <user___> you don't have the right one i think
[06:59] <robwlo531> user: which one is the right one then?
[06:59] <user___> try this: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main
[07:00] <user___> poyntz: problem with kdm?
[07:00] <spacitymedic> anyone have some advice on how to install software?
[07:00] <robwlo531> user: okay that looks a bit different, however poyntz just scared me ;-)
[07:00] <spacitymedic> i know i ahve to go to terminal... but i cant remember what i put in there.. sudo apt-get something... right?
[07:00] <user___> yeah there is a problem with kdm. Some graphic problem
[07:01] <user___> sud apt-get install
[07:01] <user___> sudo apt-get install
[07:01] <spacitymedic> ok and then the full file name with the extention?
[07:01] <devslashcore> sudo apt-get install <name of package>
[07:02] <spacitymedic> DO I USE THE <> brackets?
[07:02] <user___> no
[07:02] <spacitymedic> and i saved the package in my documents folder
[07:02] <spacitymedic>  is there any specific place I need to put it?
[07:03] <poyntz> user___: possibly. i'm trying a sudo aptitude dist-upgrade at the mo, seeing if it fixes the issue...
[07:03] <poyntz> user___: ot
[07:03] <user___> no with this method you won't dowonload it at any place
[07:03] <poyntz> user___: it's a plasma worspace issue
[07:03] <spacitymedic> i already went to the lacie's website and downloaded it.
[07:04] <spacitymedic> im trying to install the linux version of lightscribe so i can do direct disk labelling
[07:04] <devslashcore> is it a .so executable?
[07:04] <user___> spacitymedic: if you have a .deb package you can just click on it and it will install
[07:04] <devslashcore> or a package like .deb .rpm etc
[07:04] <spacitymedic> i dont though....
[07:05] <spacitymedic> i have rpm
[07:05] <user___> spacitymedic: wrong package you ned .deb. so breakfast. nice day
[07:05] <dmatt> poyntz: what exactly is yoyr problem?
[07:06] <devslashcore> rpm packages are for Red Hat based distros
[07:06] <poyntz> dmatt: lost plasma desktop on the last update
[07:06] <devslashcore> Kubuntu is based on Debien (deb)
[07:06] <devslashcore> Might be possible to convert it...never tried
[07:06] <devslashcore> And I heard Synaptic can handle rpms
[07:06] <dmatt> poyntz: what happens when you boot , where it breaks?
[07:07] <robwlo531> poyntz: once you have the deb package you do: dpkg -i <package-name>
[07:08] <robwlo531> user: it worked. I just updated amarok only and disabled that repository again
[07:08] <robwlo531> thnx
[07:10] <burrell> нид хелп, комрады :)
[07:10] <poyntz> dmatt: it breaks after log in. kde wallet starts up, nepomuk, virtuoso-server, but plasma workspace crashes
[07:10] <robwlo531> okay, amarok still has that bug not allowing to scroll the lyrics
[07:10] <robwlo531> burrell: LOL
[07:10] <poyntz> !rus|burrell
[07:10] <vish> !rus | burrell
[07:11] <burrell> better in english?
[07:11] <vish> yup
[07:11] <robwlo531> poyntz: that is in english letter-by-letter: need help, comrads
[07:12] <dmatt> poyntz: have you upgraded to KDE 4.3.5, 4.4 or some regular update?
[07:13] <poyntz> dmatt: it was a regular update
[07:15] <poyntz> dmatt: i'm gunna reboot now n see if the dist-upgrade fixed it
[07:15] <poyntz> brb
[07:15] <burrell> i'am want to edit my login screen - automatic log in by my default profile. So i've run  manager and saw innactive controls  except Unlock button - I'am pressing this button but there is no effect. What shall i do ?
[07:16] <burrell> sorry for my english )
[07:22] <poyntz> k literally all i've lost
[07:22] <poyntz> is the plasmoids
[07:22] <poyntz> and plasma desktop
[07:22] <poyntz> when i try to run plasma-desktop
[07:22] <poyntz> it says it's not installed. install it by installing...
[07:22] <poyntz> no idea why
[07:22] <poyntz> given i had it before i had the update
[07:23] <poyntz> so... do i reinstall plasma desktop?
[07:23] <poyntz> what do i do?
[07:24] <vbgunz> I created a whole new profile and nepomuk is still shot with disabling itself. in other words, no moving of the .kde//nepomuk folder is gonna help there. anyone know whats up?
[07:25] <poyntz> vbgunz: you might need to install virtuoso-opensource, but i'm not really sure..
[07:45] <poyntz> ok lit, everyone who was here
[07:45] <poyntz> the last update i did, removed plasma-desktop
[07:45] <poyntz> so it may happen to you...
[07:45] <poyntz> if it does, just install it again
[07:45] <poyntz> ie, sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop
[07:46] <poyntz> i was wondering how to make the quick launch prog (ie, Alt+F2) appear in the centre of the screen
[07:47] <xjjk> poyntz: it's in the options
[07:47] <xjjk> poyntz: select "floating"
[08:08] <tamran> hello everyone
[08:09] <tamran> I've broken my system trying to do the backports update of kde4 :)
[08:09] <tamran> so I'm stuck in console and I'm sort of a dumb-dumb with aptitude
[08:09] <tamran> it said I had to use aptitude or synaptic to fix my package dependencies issue
[08:10] <tamran> can anyone give me any hints of how to fix such dependencies in aptitude (the console version)?
[08:10] <tamran> many thanks in advance
[08:11] <esdaniel> tamram: have you run aptitude again using --full-upgrade ? i.e. sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[08:11] <tamran> esdaniel: ok, I'll do that in the other console
[08:12] <tamran> esdaniel: it's chugging away now
[08:12] <tamran> esdaniel: thanks for that
[08:16] <tamran> well, let's see if that fixed everything
[08:18] <human_> Gentlemen!
[08:18] <tamran> errr, ok, one more question
[08:19] <human_> I have just found how to set the kubuntu desktop as normal desktop from 3.5 KDE
[08:19] <tamran> is there a quick way to go back to the kde login prompt, I'm stuck in console mode (I clicked console login from the kde login panel because I had broken my system)?
[08:19] <human_> sudo killlall -9 Xorg
[08:19] <human_> it kills X Server
[08:20] <human_> and restarts kdm login window
[08:20] <human_> How do you in IRC from console
[08:20] <esdaniel> sudo service kdm restart
[08:21] <tamran> human_: I've already killed the Xorg client when it booted me to the console
[08:21] <tamran> what is the executable name for the kde login thingy?
[08:21] <human_> kdm
[08:21] <human_> the name is kdm
[08:21] <tamran> ahhh
[08:21] <tamran> ok, brb
[08:22] <tamran> thanks human_
[08:22] <tamran> human_: to do irc in the console, install irssi ... it's the best irc app EVER! :)
[08:22] <human_> ok)))
[08:24] <human_> I can use the desktop without the "Show folder" widget
[08:25] <human_> I had to set "Show Folder" instead of "Desktop" in the "Room" settings!
[08:25] <human_> What for a terminology is that?
[08:25] <poyntz> xjjk: thanks. that did it! :)
[08:25] <poyntz> ciao folks
[08:33] <tamran> ok ... I've officially broken my system
[08:33] <tamran> I tried to upgrade to kde4.4 and the packages are broken
[08:34] <tamran> is there an aptitude command to "agressively" fix such dependency problems?
[08:38] <xjjk> if they're broken
[08:38] <xjjk> it means they can't be fixed automatically
[08:38] <xjjk> that's what broken means
[08:38] <xjjk> er, not fixed without breaking something you've fixed previously
[08:38] <xjjk> tamran: what's the problem in particular
[08:39] <tamran> xjjk: I tried to install kde4.4 using the backports repository ...
[08:39] <xjjk> okay...
[08:39] <xjjk> you're using aptitude, which is good
[08:40] <xjjk> fixing dep problems with synaptic and kpackagekit is a painful chore
[08:40] <tamran> well, I'm using aptitude now because I'm stuck in console :P
[08:40] <xjjk> haha, okay
[08:40] <xjjk> what's broken?
[08:40] <tamran> I'm not sure which ones
[08:40] <xjjk> with aptitude
[08:40] <xjjk> hit '/'
[08:41] <tamran> ok, you mean inside the program?
[08:41] <xjjk> and then '~b'
[08:41] <xjjk> tamran: yes
[08:41] <tamran> ok, it brought up a search window
[08:41] <tamran> it says kdelib5
[08:41] <xjjk> that should highlight the first broken package
[08:41] <tamran> with a BuA in front of it
[08:42] <tamran> B means "broken" I take it?
[08:42] <xjjk> in the bottom half of the window
[08:42] <xjjk> it should say what the problem is
[08:42] <tamran> ok, one sec
[08:42] <xjjk> this or that conflicts with kdelibs5
[08:42] <xjjk> or vice versa
[08:43] <tamran> hmm, it just describes the program in the bottom.  do you mean in the red part?
[08:43] <xjjk> no
[08:43] <xjjk> hrm, if it's not saying
[08:44] <xjjk> just hit '+' in the package list view
[08:44] <xjjk> to force installing it
[08:44] <xjjk> it may break more packages, or fewer packages
[08:44] <xjjk> see the status bar along the top
[08:44] <tamran> ok
[08:44] <xjjk> keep doing that for all the broken packages
[08:44] <xjjk> till the number of broken packages or down
[08:45] <xjjk> or look for a description saying why things are broken
[08:45] <tamran> it showed two lines in the bottom when I pressed +
[08:45] <xjjk> tamran: also... in the status column, where you saw the 'B'
[08:45] <xjjk> is the presence of 'A'
[08:45] <xjjk> which means automatic
[08:46] <xjjk> which is probably the problem here
[08:46] <xjjk> there's some package that should be automatic
[08:46] <xjjk> but is set to manually installed
[08:46] <tamran> ahh
[08:46] <xjjk> so, aptitude treats manually installed packages are more important
[08:46] <tamran> so, am I going to have to go through and manually fix each problem ?
[08:46] <xjjk> yah
[08:46] <xjjk> the best strategy is to look through all the broken packages
[08:46] <xjjk> and find a broken one that isn't automatically installed
[08:46] <tamran> is there any way to get an output of all the errors?
[08:47] <tamran> I could pipe it
[08:47] <tamran> just to give a better understanding
[08:47] <xjjk> probably, I don't know how off the top of my head
[08:47] <tamran> ok, no problem
[08:47] <xjjk> it's the kind of thing you want to fix interactively
[08:47] <xjjk> also, once you've gotten the number of broken packages done
[08:47] <xjjk> hit 'g'
[08:47] <tamran> when I've got a package selected, what is the key to "uninstall" it?
[08:47] <xjjk> and aptitude will run its solver
[08:47] <xjjk> and try to automatically fix everything
[08:48] <xjjk> you probably have only one or two packages you need to fix
[08:48] <xjjk> it's not that much work
[08:48] <tamran> I see
[08:48] <xjjk> tamran: '-' means uninstall, '_' means purge
[08:48] <xjjk> '?' for help
[08:49] <xjjk> tamran: should mention, you probably don't want to mess with libraries like kdelibs
[08:49] <xjjk> those are typically automatically installed, and if they're not
[08:49] <xjjk> hit 'M'
[08:49] <xjjk> if it's not required, aptitude will automatically mark it for uninstallation
[08:49] <tamran> ok, so I hit - and it shows purple instead of red now
[08:49] <xjjk> that means uninstall
[08:50] <tamran> and then how to uninstall it?
[08:50] <tamran> g?
[08:50] <xjjk> yes, g means apply solver
[08:50] <xjjk> it'll show the changes it's about to make
[08:50] <xjjk> then hit g again to go
[08:50] <xjjk> download/remove/install/etc
[08:50] <xjjk> you should really read the help before messing with most of this, BTW
[08:52] <tamran> xjjk: yeah, I should read the help ... I'm assuming you mean man file?
[08:53] <xjjk> tamran: no, the stuff under '?'
[08:53] <tamran> ok, I think I know what I should do ... perhaps remove the ppa repository?
[08:53] <xjjk> or perhaps the aptitude online manual
[08:53] <xjjk> the man page is pretty worthless
[08:53] <xjjk> tamran: I'd not do that, the problem is probably simple to fix
[08:53] <tamran> ok
[08:53] <xjjk> you'll have more headaches trying to go back
[08:53] <xjjk> no one tests downgrading/going back
[08:54] <tamran> B means blocked? b means broken?
[08:54] <xjjk> B is broken I think, not sure what 'b' is
[08:54] <tamran> oh, ok, I just found a lot of "B"s
[08:54] <xjjk> yah
[08:54] <tamran> butt loads of 'em :)
[08:54] <xjjk> how many
[08:54] <xjjk> you want to try to find the problem package
[08:55] <xjjk> if there are a lot of them, they probably depend one thing
[08:55] <xjjk> and that one thing may be the problem
[08:55] <xjjk> and it may conflict with something else
[08:55] <xjjk> hrm, also
[08:56] <tamran> yeah, a lot of them say "xxxx is only partially installed"
[08:56] <xjjk> yah, it means what it says
[08:56] <tamran> and they're not in red
[08:56] <xjjk> leave those alone
[08:56] <tamran> thanks a lot for your time by the way, I promise to pay it forward
[08:56] <xjjk> they'll install themselves whenever the problem is fixed
[08:56] <xjjk> tamran: NP... fixing dependency problems is a skill to learn
[08:57] <tamran> ok, going to other window for a few
[08:57] <xjjk> sure
[08:57] <tamran> only 2 packages show in red
[08:57] <xjjk> oh, good
[08:57] <xjjk> do you mind me asking, what are they?
[08:57] <audra> HOW CAN I GET DESKTOP EFFECTS TO WORK IN KUBUNTU? I TRIED COMPIZ FUZION AND I STILL DONT SEE HOW TO GET MY DESKTOP TO MAKE THE CUBE..... help?
[08:58] <audra> HELP?? ANYONE ?
[09:03] <tamran> xjjk: ok, I think for sure it's kdelib5-dev ... it's stuck on the old version.  When I find it using / and ~b, it has BuA.  If I type m it removes the A.  Then I press g and it goes to a purple screen with some details.  then press g again and it all resets with the same errors
[09:04] <tamran> yeah, the only one in red is kdelib5-dev, version 4.3.5 ... which is the old version
[09:07] <tamran> now it gives me elaborate instructions ...
[09:10] <georg_> is here anyone having trouble with nepomuk after upgrade to kde4.4 too
[09:11] <tamran> ok, it was kdevelop-dev 4.3.99
[09:11] <tamran> dunno why I had that installed
[09:11] <tamran> georg_: what's nepomuk?
[09:12] <georg_> that the indexing server
[09:12] <georg_> semantic desktop search
[09:14] <tamran> yay, no more broken packages
[09:14] <tamran> but I should reboot now
[09:14] <tamran> bbl
[09:21] <tamran> uggg, I finally got all the kde 4.4 stuff install (from console) but when I get to kdm, it says it can't find the oxegyn theme and then kicks me back to console
[09:21] <tamran> anyone else get that problem?
[09:28] <human_> tamran, you have to install the oxygen themes
[09:29] <human_> I have not install 4.4
[09:29] <human_> but last time I have lost my system after installing updates. So I have now no-updated but working system, installed from CD
[09:37] <koltroll> Guys. I kinda fucked up... so I wanted to activate wobbly windows right. Cause it's so great. But I went to advance settings and drag some thing up to 100, belive it was called "Stiffness" or something like that. Now shit is totally crazy. :>
[09:38] <koltroll> Is there some file where these settings are saved so I can get into consol and fix it?
[09:38] <koltroll> If someone wants to get some silly effects all over the screen I deeply recommend this.
[09:44] <Torch> koltroll: $HOME/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[09:44] <Torch> koltroll: each effect has its own section, you should be able to find it
[09:46] <koltroll> Torch, found it. thanks a lot!
[10:08] <tim> hi, i am trying to set up kontact for using a kolab groupware server without much success ... `add address book' contains an entry `kolab groupware server', but i cannot select it ... any idea, why?
[10:08] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[10:08] <phoenix__> what is a blocked update
[10:09] <phoenix__> it shows up in the kpackagekit
[10:09] <phoenix__> hello
[10:14] <voicu> I think it's an update that would need you to upgrade some critical parts like the kernel
[10:14] <voicu> do this: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <bottiger> When I log into kde plasma-desktop doesn't start - what could prevent this? When I start plasma-desktop manually it works fine
[10:15] <koltroll> How do I get this thing where the window automatically get's maximized when I drag it to the top of the screen? Like in WIn7.
[10:15] <phoenix__> i recently i enabled the backports and pre releases options
[10:15] <koltroll> I saw it on the kde4.x screencast the other day, but I can't find how to activate it. Also I don't know what it's called so I don't know what to search for.
[10:15] <koltroll> I'd be very glad if I just got the help to find out what it's beeing called :)
[10:16] <Mitschel> koltroll: are you using kde 4.4.x or 4.3.x?
[10:16] <koltroll> Mitschel, The one that shipped with 9.10
[10:16] <voicu> phoenix__: then that's the thing, you need to use dist-upgrade
[10:16] <phoenix__> ok i will try that
[10:17] <Mitschel> thats 4.3.x you need 4.4.x for that feature
[10:17] <koltroll> ooh that makes sense :)
[10:17] <phoenix__> started the process
[10:17] <Mitschel> check www.kubuntu.org for an instruction how to update your kde
[10:17] <koltroll> And it's kinda recommended to do that update anyways, isn't it Mitschel ?
[10:17] <Mitschel> depends ;-)
[10:18] <koltroll> :) Well I mean it's ought to be stable
[10:18] <phoenix__> how can i know what was changed and what been installed newly
[10:18] <Mitschel> 4.4 just hit the "final" stage
[10:18] <phoenix__> 4.4 due reliese in april?
[10:18] <koltroll> great :) I'll check out kubuntu on how to update kde. Thanks alot Mitschel
[10:18] <Mitschel> yeah it should be stable, but a lot people have some problems me included ;-)
[10:18] <voicu> did they fix the issue with the shortcuts in konqueror? :P
[10:19] <koltroll> Mitschel, what sorts of problems ?
[10:20] <Mitschel> i have still some problems with akonadi and nepomuk (nepomuk doesnt run flawlessly)
[10:21] <Mitschel> my sound driver is crashing often
[10:21] <Mitschel> and i had some problems during booting due to some misssing files in the main theme, but that seems to be fixed
[10:22] <DoDi> I have problems with multi-monitor setup
[10:22] <koltroll> DoDi, really? Cause that's a HUGE thing for me. I use two monitors.
[10:22] <koltroll> And I need it to work
[10:22] <DoDi> me2
[10:22] <phoenix__> there is some problem with the nvidia driver . for every kernel update you have you reinstall the driver
[10:23] <DoDi> problem with nvidia driver or setup. 2 monitors working, but only as clones
[10:23] <koltroll> I've got ati radeon 4770
[10:23] <Torch> DoDi: the nvidia driver has nothing to do with kde, though.
[10:24] <Mitschel> if you want a stable version of kubuntu, i'd say stay with kde 4.3 and wait till 10.04 to use 4.4
[10:25] <fatum> I just bricked my ubuntu installation (kde 4.4 was on the installation).  I'm going to get gparted, and format down again.  It was very easy to update to 4.4, and I really liked 4.4.  Will this be easy if I just use the kubuntu 9.10 installation image?
[10:27] <Mitschel> its really easy to update from a vanilla 9.10 to kde 4.4 fatum but no guarantee that it runs without any problems afterwards
[10:27] <fatum> kde 4.4 was working out great for me.  Thanks for the input, I'll give it a shot!
[10:27] <DoDi> Torch: System Settings, Multiple Monitors says: You do not appear to have this configuration
[10:28] <Torch> DoDi: right.
[10:28] <Torch> DoDi: if you have nvidia, you can't use that
[10:28] <Torch> DoDi: the nvidia driver doesn't support it.
[10:28] <Torch> DoDi: just use nvidia's tool.
[10:31] <DoDi> Torch: which tool?
[10:31] <Mitschel> nvidid
[10:31] <Torch> DoDi: nvidia-settings
[10:31] <koltroll> Mitschel, is it really easy to downgrade to 4.3 as well? :)
[10:31] <Torch> DoDi: works fine.
[10:31] <DoDi> Torch: no such tool :-(
[10:32] <Torch> DoDi: install it. the package has the same name.
[10:33] <raymears> not sure whether this is the right place to ask questions regarding kde 4.4 from backports, but... i'm experiencing some really annoying issues here. could anyone perhaps help me out?
[10:33] <koltroll> :)
[10:33] <raymears> may i ask  my questions?
[10:34] <koltroll> "don't ask to ask, just ask"
[10:34] <Torch> raymears: just ask.
[10:34] <phoenix__> the problem is not with the nvidia setup
[10:34] <raymears> okydoke, here goes the problem:
[10:35] <phoenix__> after i upgrade my kernel,the kde wont start
[10:35] <raymears> plasma-desktop does not start automatically, i always have to start it by hand; also i can't change the workspace styles. it click apply.. and nothing happens
[10:35] <phoenix__> i have to reinstall the driver to get the kde back
[10:35] <Kolia> i get problem each time i upgrade the kernel too.. nvidia card here too :S
[10:36] <raymears> before 4.4 came out, i used the RCs from the BETA repository
[10:36] <Torch> raymears: try it with a new user.
[10:36] <erinaceus_> Morning, quick question, what parameter das chmod need so it changes the premissions of a folder and all that is in that folder?
[10:36] <Torch> erinaceus_: -R
[10:36] <phoenix__> kolia reinstall the driver each time u upgrade the kernel
[10:36] <erinaceus_> Torch: thx
[10:36] <Torch> erinaceus_: also, "man chmod" ;-)
[10:36] <raymears> Torch: i tried removing .kde, i thought that would perhaps do the trick
[10:37] <raymears> it didn't
[10:37] <Torch> raymears: yeah, that should get you the same effect
[10:37] <erinaceus_> Torch: Heh
[10:37] <Torch> raymears: then your installation is probably broken
[10:37] <raymears> Torch: but aptitude is ok with everything
[10:37] <raymears> should i purge kubuntu-desktop?
[10:38] <koltroll> is it not possible to mount a iso-file from within dolphin?
[10:39] <Torch> koltroll: i don't think so. the feature is being worked on iirc.
[10:39] <koltroll> meh :/ Could you recommend some program to use for it Torch ?
[10:40] <Torch> koltroll: sorry, no. i just mount isos from the shell.
[10:40] <koltroll> you hacker!
[10:41] <raymears> Torch: don't mean to intrude or anything, but... how does one go about fixing a broken installation of which the package manager isn't actually aware of?
[10:42] <Torch> raymears: hard to tell because it's not clear IF the installation is broken in your case and if so WHICH PART is broken.
[10:42] <Torch> raymears: you might try reinstalling all kdebase and kdelibs packages, but that's just an unfounded shot in the dark, really.
[10:43] <raymears> Torch:
[10:44] <raymears> Torch: i'll just try and purge kubuntu-desktop and see what happens after i reinstall. doing that equates to starting from scratch, kde-wise
[10:45] <raymears> Torch: thanks for your help
[10:45] <Torch> raymears: i have no experience with the graphical pacackers... on the shell, purging kubuntu desktop with apt-get will not help. it's a meta package, afaik.
[10:55] <ct529> hi there. Today I get a strange error: akonadi server not registered at d--bus .... but until yesterday everything was fine.
[10:56] <ct529> any clue?
[11:04] <Eruaran> Problem affecting kubuntu boot after updating to KDE SC 4.4 has been fixed
[11:04] <Eruaran> I can now boot normally without having to resort to ctrl+alt+F8 & ctrl+alt+F7
[11:05] <DoDi> Torch, now I can use both monitors, but saving to X config file fails (parse error)
[11:05] <Kolia> DoDi: did you ran it with sudo?
[11:05] <Kolia> (nvidia settings) ^
[11:07] <DoDi> Kolia, no, from history. do I need a terminal for running with su/sudo?
[11:08] <Kolia> DoDi: sudo nvidia-settings from a terminal yep
[11:08] <Torch> DoDi: open konsole. run "kdesudo nvidia-settings"
[11:08] <Kolia> DoDi: you can't save to X if you don't run it as sudo
[11:08] <Kolia> DoDi: because it save a file in /etc/ which belongs to root.
[11:09] <Mitschel> saving to X with nvidia settings brings always a seg fault on my other pc no matter if im root or not
[11:10] <raymears_> Torch: remember me from 20 minutes ago? :) i removed everything kde-related and still, no cigar. got any other ideas as to what i might try to get a normal instance of kde?
[11:10] <Kolia> Mitschel: nvidia-settings has always been reliable here. (i know, it doesn't help you :p )
[11:11] <DoDi> Kolia, many errors from sudo: xorg.conf incomplete, undefined device (Null), Segmentation fault
[11:11] <funcrush> hi all!
[11:11] <Torch> raymears_: not really. the problem should be properly diagnosed and i know too little about the startup process and plasma to help you with that. i'd suggest asking on #kde.
[11:12] <raymears_> Torch: oh, so you think it's not a packaging issue, but rather a kde related problem?
[11:12] <Kolia> DoDi: sudo nvidia-xconfig (to have a fresh xorg.conf file)
[11:12] <Kolia> and then nvidia-settings
[11:12] <Torch> ryanakca: no, i wouldn't say that. it's not clear what it is. hence the need to diagnose it.
[11:12] <Kolia> usuall it makes the trick here
[11:12] <funcrush> I played a Movie but after play amarok, the movie doesn't sound! how can i fix it?
[11:13] <raymears_> Torch: cause i think the people on #kde will tell me to go screw myself, since they don't care about distro-specific issues
[11:13] <Kolia> raymears_: your problem is?
[11:13] <Torch> raymears_: they might.
[11:13] <raymears_> Kolia: my problem is that plasma-desktop doesn't startup, i have to start it manually
[11:13] <Kolia> raymears_: you're sure you updated everything?
[11:14] <raymears_> Kolia: aaaand... i cannot apply different themes in kde
[11:14] <Kolia> when you run apt-get upgrade it doesn't complain about some packages not going to be installed, or blocked?
[11:14] <raymears_> nono. it runs smoothly but.. a bit of history here:
[11:14] <raymears_> i've been using the RCs for 4.4 since... the beginning..  from the BETA repository
[11:15] <raymears_> i've always had slight dependency issues, every time i updated.. but i fixed them...
[11:15] <Kolia> raymears_: i was running it from BETA too
[11:15] <raymears_> the issue of plasma-deskop not starting actually arose.. before 4.4 came out
[11:15] <Kolia> and it went rather fine
[11:16] <raymears_> before i switched to backports again
[11:16] <raymears_> but the dependencies are ALL satisfied.
[11:16] <Kolia> weird
[11:17] <raymears_> first thing i tried to fix things was to remove the .kde directory. didn't do squat
[11:17] <DoDi> Kolia, same problems :-(
[11:17] <DoDi> Kolia, the xorg.conf file seems to be okay - what should it contain?
[11:17] <Kolia> raymears:and you said you even tried to remove .kde ?
[11:17] <Kolia> DoDi: i don't know the details sorry :)
[11:17] <raymears_> Kolia:  yes yes. not only that.. but 20 minutes ago.. after a brief chat with Torch, i remove everything kde-related
[11:17] <raymears_> and reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <raymears_> Kolia: so it is not a packaging issue. the problem lies somewhere deeper, but i still think it's distro-specific
[11:19] <Torch> DoDi: something like that: http://pastebin.ca/1794480
[11:19] <Torch> DoDi: the twinview and metamodes lines are crucial
[11:19] <DoDi> I'll try Ubuntu now, it showed similar problems. cu
[11:20] <raymears_> Kolia: http://pastebin.ca/1794481 here you are, if you still don't believe me :P
[11:21] <Kolia> raymears_: i do believe you
[11:22] <raymears_> Kolia: this shit is weird! why would it behave like this even AFTER i reinstalled kde?
[11:23] <Kolia> raymears_: yep :/
[11:24] <jrmy> salut les gens sa va bien ?
[11:24] <raymears_> what can i do to really start from scratch? to ditch everything and take it from the top. cleanly?
[11:24] <Kolia> raymears_:  did you ask in #kde finally?
[11:24] <jrmy> hein ?
[11:24] <Kolia> jrmy: !fr
[11:24] <jrmy> tu baise ? :
[11:24] <jrmy> j'aime pas l'anglais
[11:24] <Torch> !fr
[11:24] <raymears_> i could.. but i think they'll just flame me out...
[11:25] <Torch> raymears_: ask how you can diagnose it. don't ask to have it fixed for you ;-)
[11:28] <raymears_> Torch: ok. thanks for the hint.
[11:40] <ct529> I get a strange error: akonadi server process not registered at d--bus. What does that mean?
[11:45] <Torch> ct529: probably that akonadi isn't running. maybe it couldn't start or crashed.
[11:45] <delphine> hello
[11:45] <ct529> Torch: well, yes of course .... :D .... but I need to know the error source to fix it
[11:45] <delphine> I have a very strange problem since updating to KDE 4.4
[11:46] <delphine> ie. I can't type any composed characters in KDE applications
[11:46] <delphine> ¨a
[11:46] <Torch> ct529: try "akonadictl start" from a shell
[11:46] <delphine> French keyboard, system French
[11:46] <Torch> delphine: set your keyboard map to non-deadkeys
[11:46] <ct529> Torch: yes, already done same problem
[11:47] <delphine> Torch: thanks, how?
[11:47] <ct529> Torch: I have also tried the jacob steelsmith patch but does not work
[11:47] <Torch> delphine: systemsettings -> regional & language -> keyboard layout
[11:47] <delphine> ¨o
[11:48] <Torch> ct529: what's the output when you run that command?
[11:50] <delphine> ¨a
[11:50] <soee> hi
[11:50] <delphine> Torch: not working :(
[11:51] <delphine> note it really only affects KDE applications
[11:51] <delphine> all otehrs are ok
[11:51] <delphine> *others
[12:08] <Soul_Sample_> whenever i install an update that's related to KDE (kdelibs, plasma or such) my x crashes and I have to restart my pc. is this normal behaviour when updating kde lol?
[12:09] <otswim> what would be a good voip application for kde?
[12:11] <otswim> to make calls to phones
[12:11] <Soul_Sample_> skype?
[12:12] <otswim> Soul_Sample_: skype doesn't allow free calls to landline phones i think
[12:13] <Soul_Sample_> otswim: i'm not sure anyone allows free calls
[12:13] <otswim> Soul_Sample_: there are free calls for some destinations, on windows i use this one http://www.voipcheap.com/en/index.html and it works
[12:14] <otswim> hm, it seems x-lite is the linux equivalent
[12:20] <Soul_Sample_> did anyone have crashing issues after updating to kde 4.4
[12:24] <Eruaran> Soul_Sample_: yes, Plasma kept crashing
[12:25] <Soul_Sample_> Eruaran: i get crashes even when I install updates. x crashes so hard i have to restart
[12:26] <Eruaran> Soul_Sample_: I backed up my .kde folder and it was ok after that... I had one crash after the last round of updates and notifications duplicated near the top right corner of my desktop
[12:26] <Eruaran> Soul_Sample_: I'm just going to keep updating
[12:27] <Soul_Sample_> Eruaran: i'll try with the .kde folder backup if it happens again, i just hope it won't
[12:28] <Eruaran> Soul_Sample_: a lot of changes in 4.4... renaming my .kde so it wouldn't be used made a lot of issues go away
[12:28] <Soul_Sample_> Eruaran: i will try that, thanks
[12:29] <Soul_Sample_> Eruaran: what settings are stored there? I mean - what will I lose and have to do over?
[12:30] <ct529> orgh! where is akonadi konsole in kde 440 sc????
[12:30] <Eruaran> Soul_Sample_: custom settings like Plasma widgets and wallpaper settings etc... email and stuff... but nothing you cant change later
[12:34] <kaddi> hi my firefox segfaults whenever I maximize a video in youtube. How can I get more information about the error to make a good bug report? eg get a trace or something for FF?
[12:35]  * Malin_ testet en usb-pinne med remix på bærbaren her
[12:35] <Malin_> ting funket jo :) hehe
[12:49] <Mamarok> kaddi: run it with gdb for example
[12:58] <Dario_Andres> Simple question, is "libdbusmenu-qt" a Kubuntu technology ?
[13:03] <delight> were can I file a bug about kubuntu-ppa/backports kde sc 4.4 ?
[13:05] <delight> anyways ... just for the record "User Management" in systemsettings is not working in KDE SC 4.4 on ubuntu 9.10
[13:05] <keekdown> есть кто русский
[13:07] <Torch> Dario_Andres: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/index.html
[13:08] <Dario_Andres> Torch: nice, we have a bug report about it... I should probably assign aurelian and mark as downstream
[13:08] <Dario_Andres> aurelien*
[13:08] <Torch> Dario_Andres: sounds reasonable
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:08] <Dario_Andres> Torch: thanks  :)
[13:09] <Torch> Dario_Andres: yw ;-)
[13:15] <koltroll> Is it possible to choose to always use nautilis instead of konqueror in kde?
[13:15] <Mamarok> Dario_Andres: assign riddell and agateau
[13:15] <Dario_Andres> Mamarok: oki
[13:16] <tiresias> hello, does anyone know where is the option to disable the logging notifications in quassel (i.e. messages from the server like "sbdy has joined #kubuntu")
[13:16] <kaddi> Mamarok: can you help me with gdb? I'm having a stupid moment (once again). I installed gdb, debugging symbols for FF, but when I type gdb firefox-bin and then type run it says: /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:16] <binarylooks> koltroll: system settings > default applications
[13:16] <binarylooks> tiresias: right click on the channle and see under "hide events"
[13:17] <koltroll> binarylooks, thanks alot. Can I get any problems by doing this?
[13:17] <kaddi> do I need to link the libraries explicizely?
[13:17] <binarylooks> koltroll: none at all except a slightly strange integration look :-)
[13:17] <tiresias> binarylooks: omg you're my hero! thanks!!!
[13:17] <Mamarok> kaddi: try just typing gdb firefox
[13:17] <koltroll> binarylooks, alright =) Thanks
[13:17] <binarylooks> tiresias,koltroll: np
[13:18] <kaddi> Mamarok: it says: "/usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox": not in executable format: File format not recognised. I'm using FF 3.6
[13:19] <Mamarok> hm, then it is most likely another name, let me check
[13:19] <Torch> kaddi: that's because firefox is a script
[13:19] <Torch> kaddi: run firefox normally, then attach to the process with gdb
[13:19] <Torch> kaddi: get the pid of firefox and run gdp -p <pid>
[13:19] <Torch> gdb, even
[13:19] <Mamarok> kaddi: what does namoroka tell you?
[13:20] <Mamarok> this is the current name of Firefox-3.6 IIRC
[13:21] <kaddi> Mamarok: that is not a defined command for me. I'm getting my FF from here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu karmic main And when run gdb firefox-bin it loads the debuging symbols, but then breaks on the loaded libraries
[13:22] <Mamarok> hm
[13:22] <kaddi> Torch that worked. Thanks :)
[13:24] <kaddi> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[13:25] <kaddi> 0x053ccbf9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[13:25] <kaddi> that is not in FF is it?
[13:25] <Torch> kaddi: no, that's opengl
[13:31] <kaddi> so I do a bugreport against opengl?
[13:34] <binarylooks> hmmm,krunner crashes quite a lot in sc4.4 from the backports. I didn't have this with rc2. Am I the only one?
[13:36] <Peace-> binarylooks: mm
[13:37] <Peace-> i think packages are not really nice
[13:40] <grappa> does anyone knows from where i can get NeoPwn
[13:40] <par> Hi all - I've just installed a load of packages (suggested updates and bug fixes) and the plasma-desktop is broken (on boot it fails with a SIGSGEV).  Any ideas how to deal with this?
[13:42] <Peace-> mmm
[13:42] <Peace-> wow
[13:42] <par> (sorry - I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 on a Thinkpad T400)
[13:43] <Peace-> par: well i have heard a lots of people here with your problem... i guess bad packager in
[13:43] <kaddi> par can you try to log into tty and move .kde to .kde-backup. This will move all your settings. I got a crashing plasma-desktop after upgrading to 4.4 RC2 and that fixed it for me.
[13:43] <par> Peace: Oh dear - so I guess no magic solutions yet then?
[13:44] <par> kaddi:  I'll give it a go..
[13:45] <kaddi> just make sure you move it instead of deleting it, so you have a backup of your settings
[13:45] <Peace-> kaddi: good idea
[13:46] <par> kaddi : No joy - same failure
[13:46] <par> Final error message :
[13:46] <par> plasma-desktop(2733): Communication problem with  "plasma-desktop" , it probably crashed.
[13:46] <par> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.plasma-desktop was not provided by any .service files" "
[13:47] <Peace-> mmm i will not upgrade my kde ...
[13:48] <Peace-> i think packager has made some mistake .... too much people with prblems
[13:48] <Peace-> packagers
[13:48] <Peace-> have
[13:50] <par> Hmm - any idea how downgrade backwards?
[13:53] <Kolia> par: are you sure you upgraded everything?
[13:55] <kaddi> ok, i think the world is trying to keep me from filing a bug today. XD
[13:55] <kaddi> does this mean that ubuntu-bug is broken on my install:
[13:55] <par> kolia: Not sure - basically I accepted everything suggested by the software updates tool...
[13:55] <kaddi> ubuntu-bug mesa
[13:55] <kaddi> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:55] <kaddi>   File "/usr/share/apport/apport-kde", line 28, in <module>
[13:55] <kaddi>     from PyKDE4.kdecore import (ki18n, KAboutData, KCmdLineArgs,
[13:55] <FloodBotK1> kaddi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:55] <kaddi> RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyKDE4.kdecore module requires API v6.0
[13:56] <Kolia> par: what does sudo apt-get upgrade says (in a console) ?
[13:56] <Galvatron> Hi
[13:56] <Galvatron> I'm working on automatic mounting of NTFS partition
[13:57] <kaddi> hi Galvatron
[13:57] <kaddi> :)
[13:57] <kaddi> what is the problem?
[13:57] <par> Kolia : Tells me that 'Klipper' will be upgraded, and also lists a whole load of packages that have been kept back.
[13:57] <Kolia> par: here you are :)
[13:57] <Kolia> par: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:58] <par> kolia: OK giving it a go now
[13:58] <Galvatron> NTFS Configuration Tools shows error: "An error occured while trying to configure /media/Dysk lokalny"
[13:59] <Galvatron> And I cant check "Write support for internal devices"
[14:01] <kaddi> Galvatron: have you tried mounting it through command line or the device notifier widget?
[14:01] <allee-k> par: FYI: [14:56] <a|wen> allee-k: gah, it was moved in lucid with 4.3.3 (but in karmic 4.3.5 it is still not moved), that is why the replaces doesn't work
[14:01] <Galvatron> I can mount it manually
[14:01] <Galvatron> But I need it to auto-mount
[14:01] <kaddi> Galvatron: have you tried editing your fstab for it?
[14:02] <Galvatron> No
[14:02] <Galvatron> I don't remember how to create an entry
[14:02] <allee-k> par:  [15:01] <a|wen> allee-k: committed to bzr, so should be fixed next time someone uploads kdebase-workspace
[14:02] <kaddi> Galvatron: i added a line such as: "/dev/sda2       /media/windows ntfs     utf8    0       0" to my fstab and it's been working fine. You just need to know the dev and the name to which you want it mounted
[14:03] <binarylooks> kaddi: could'nt he use the removabe devices kcm in system settings? My internal drives are listed there?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> kaddi, like this: /dev/sda1 /media/Windows ntfs defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0 0
[14:04] <kaddi> binarylooks: very probably yes. I wasn't aware of it
[14:04] <kaddi> BluesKaj: why? Not challenging what your saying, just curious?
[14:04] <binarylooks> kaddi: I also am so used to fstab that I just now thought about it. maybe its for a different use cse
[14:05] <binarylooks> s/cse/case
[14:05] <BluesKaj> kaddi, merely an example that works :)
[14:05] <Galvatron> BRB (reboot)
[14:05] <allee-k> kaddi: is there somewhere a FAQ that shows how to fix the mysql/akonadi upgrade trouble with KDE 4.4?
[14:07] <kaddi> not that I know of, I didn't have any trouble luckily. Only problem was my plasma-desktop-appletsrc that I had to trash to get plasma-desktop to run
[14:07] <par> kolia :  Great! Looks like that's sorted it.  Thanks for the help.
[14:07] <par> allee-k: Thanks for the info.
[14:07] <Kolia> par: remember it for next time ;)
[14:12] <mermshaus> is it just me or is there no "switch workspace" widget in kde 4.4?
[14:13] <par> kolia : Will do - am writing it into my little spell book now
[14:17] <Biosftw> I cant connect to facebook via jabber protocoll with kopete :/ any suggestions
[14:17] <Galvatron> Thankd Auto-mount works
[14:17] <Galvatron> But I have another annoying issue
[14:18] <Galvatron> Opera takes 2-3 min. o start and in this time the HDD is working hardly
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Biosftw, what's wrong with using a browser?
[14:22] <Biosftw> well i only want to use the im tool of facebook and kopete is using less perfomance than kopete+browser
[14:28] <Kolia> mermshaus: "switch workspace" ?
[14:30] <mermshaus> Kolia: thank you! the widget is named "Pager" but a search for "switch" helps.
[14:30] <mermshaus> phew. That drove me crazy. :)
[14:30] <Kolia> mermshaus: huh? i did nothing, but ok, you're welcome :p
[14:31] <mermshaus> Kolia: well, you did solve my problem. :)
[14:34] <BusMaster> is there a cpu frequency selector widget for the panel in the default list?
[14:40] <mermshaus> Kolia: oh, okay. I just got it. heh :) -- I was looking for the "Pager" widget (the on with the little workspace icons) but haven't been able to find it. I thought your answer meant it's called "switch workspace" so I tried to search for that string and pager turned up.
[14:41] <Kolia> mermshaus: it was just a question, but glad it accidentally helped you ;)
[14:41] <mermshaus> Kolia: Before that, I did just search for "desktop" or "workspace" or something which didn't help. kind of funny. :)
[14:57] <BusMaster> when I click on an mp3 file in Dolphin, I get an error message saying Unable to create ghb. Internal error. Can someone tell me how i can fix this? I'm using kde 4.4
[14:58] <oxymoron> Does somebody know how to enable gfxmenu in grub2?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-add-a-splash-image-to-grub-2-on-ubuntu-9.04  ..it works on 9.10 too
[15:00] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, is that what you meant ?
[15:00] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I want to apply this theme: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE+4+gfxboot+theme?content=75443
[15:01] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I have been googling three hours how to do it, but I dont find any resolution for grub2 package.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> dunno I just use a background , i haven't tried to change the actual menu
[15:02] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, looks like a grub2 replacement
[15:03] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: It is possible with grub1 I think :P Then I also tried to install grub 1.97.1.2 and I think I fucked up some files, is it possible to rollback to "stable" release?
[15:06] <genii> BusMaster: Let me make a wild guess... you have Handbrake installed and it's supposed to be the app to open your mp3s in?
[15:08] <BusMaster> genii, i have handbrake installed yes. But I need to check if its thedefault app. Since I didn't change anything, i thought amarok would be the kde default
[15:08] <BluesKaj> grub2 wouldn't have altered any files other than boot and grub menu
[15:09] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Alright :) I think I was able to restore to 1.97~ beta4 now :)
[15:10] <BusMaster> genii, respect!! Handbrake _is_ the default app. should I simply change it to somethign else and all will be fine?
[15:10] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I think you are enable to edit /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme but I dont know how to do it ... :P
[15:10] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Only thing I know is to enable splashimage, but I dont want that, I want a gfxmenu :P
[15:11] <BusMaster> genii, why does handbrake break things?
[15:12] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I have experimental branch from grub2 version 1.97.1.2 but dont know if it works :P
[15:13] <genii> BusMaster: Yes, Handbrake is broken on 9.10 - some info here on that: http://www.jonathanmoeller.com/screed/?p=1190
[15:17]  * oxymoron just want to thank developers for fixing the KDM bug :) Now it is flawless, but a new problem appeared instead ... Now does Lancelot not work xD
[15:17] <jaguar123321> do anyone know how do I reconfig KDE 4.4 kicker?
[15:18] <BusMaster> i used the system settings to make Amarok the default application for .mp3 files. Then I click apply and I momentarily get a dialog saying Updating system settings..but nothing changes and Amarok still isn't the default app. what do I do now?
[15:18] <jaguar123321> seems to be a bug in kde 4.4. kicker does not autoadjust icons if height is readjusted. Damn. Left with giant icons.
[15:19] <WaY_> hello
[15:20] <WaY_> what happends to the clock on kubuntu lucid in the kde bar?
[15:20] <WaY_> is a bug or something?
[15:21] <jaguar123321> Way_: Many UI bugs in otherwise cool 4.4
[15:21] <Peace-> +1
[15:21] <Peace-> |+1
[15:21] <Peace-> !+1
[15:21] <Peace-> !lucid | WaY_
[15:21] <WaY_> ok thanks Peace-
[15:21] <WaY_> xD
[15:22] <jaguar123321> but I am facing unadjustible panel bug in Karmic
[15:22] <jaguar123321> the new kde 4.4 won't autoadjust the panel
[15:22] <BusMaster> gah! its only for mp3 files that the default apps won'
[15:22] <BusMaster> t get change
[15:23] <genii> BusMaster: Do you have package kubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[15:24] <BusMaster> genii, erm, no. is that the reason?
[15:25] <genii> BusMaster: That is the package which gives the mp3 codecs
[15:25] <zegenie> jaguar123321: what do you mean it won't auto adjust?
[15:26] <sathis> the panel dooesnt hide while playing videos in vlc..
[15:27] <jaguar123321> zegenie: I open panel settings, change the height(made it slightly big) but did not like it so brought down the height
[15:27] <jaguar123321> zegenie: but the icons, taskbar etc did not readjust to the panel as in previous releases
[15:27] <BusMaster> genii, I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras but the KDE system settings still doesn't change the default application :(
[15:27] <koltroll> Guys, I've got kubuntu 9.10, kde 4.3 and a radeon 4770 with the drivers recommended by kubuntu. I have two screens and all I get is that they clone eachother. I can't change any settings under "multiple monitors"
[15:28] <jaguar123321> zegenie: so now I have half visible panel. ideally, icons, things displayed must sync with panel size. it does not anymore in kde 4.4
[15:28] <BusMaster> genii, I am migrating from ubuntu and i had ubuntu-restricted-extras. I can play mp3 files if I right click and select open with amarok. but when I try to make it the default app for mp3's in system-settings, nothing happens. I still have my old settings
[15:28] <jrmy> fraaaaaaaaaancais
[15:29] <zegenie> jaguar123321: it seems to auto-adjust but only up to a certain size
[15:29] <genii> BusMaster: Did you close then re-open Dolphin after you changed default app?
[15:29] <genii> !fr | jrmy
[15:29] <zegenie> if you make it smaller and smaller, you'll see the icon auto-adjust downwards, and then make it bigger, it'll autoadjust up until a certain size
[15:30] <BusMaster> genii, no, but after hitting "Apply", I see a momentary window saying Updating system settings and then in the system settings I see the same order of applications, where amarok is somewhere near the bottom again
[15:30] <aapzak> koltroll: you might need to use the command line interface to xrandr, I've had some trouble with that GUI too
[15:30] <frewo64> jrmy: je voudrais couchez avec votre femme ce soir,,,,,,;)
[15:30] <koltroll> aapzak, any good reading on the subject for me?
[15:30] <frewo64> jrmy: thats all i remember from school....
[15:30] <aapzak> not by head, it's called xrandr
[15:31] <BusMaster> genii, and restarting dolphin isn't helping
[15:31] <aapzak> koltroll: ever used cli?
[15:31] <oxymoron> Has somebody figured out how you group windows, I have been looking everywhere and the video on kde.org does not explain how to do it.
[15:31] <koltroll> aapzak, no I don't think so
[15:31] <oxymoron> And middle button does not work at all, nothing happens.
[15:31] <koltroll> aapzak, oh sorry
[15:31] <aapzak> koltroll: a terminal. like konsole
[15:31] <koltroll> aapzak, yea I have :)
[15:32] <aapzak> aight, run xrandr
[15:32] <koltroll> as normal user?
[15:32] <aapzak> see what screens you have
[15:32] <aapzak> yeah, just as yourself
[15:32] <koltroll> DFP1 and DFP3 is connected
[15:33] <koltroll> aapzak, so I see both screens there
[15:33] <aapzak> koltroll: in my case I think it works like this: xrandr --output DFP1 --right-of DFP3
[15:33] <koltroll> I'll gladly try :p
[15:33] <olskolirc> how do I enable 3rd party sources in karamic?
[15:34] <koltroll> aapzak, xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3840x1080)
[15:35] <arie> ----------totally confused, how do I change IRC channels?
[15:35] <aapzak> koltroll: ok, this goes further than I ever went
[15:35] <aapzak> arie: depends on your client :)
[15:35] <arie> You mean the Quassel IRC one?
[15:35] <kaddi_> arie you can type /join #channelname to join another channel
[15:35] <aapzak> arie: in mine, I use alt-1, 2, 3 etc
[15:35] <arie> lol
[15:36] <aapzak> koltroll: you probably have to investigate how ATI does xinerama
[15:36] <koltroll> aapzak, could it help to download official ati drivers?
[15:36] <aapzak> koltroll: on my intel that one command was enough
[15:37] <aapzak> koltroll: dunno
[15:37] <aapzak> koltroll: haven't used ATI quite a while :)
[15:37] <genii> BusMaster: Apologies on lag, work is very busy right now. You may want to add instead in Dolphin settings under Services a right-click context to open the file in Amarok
[15:38] <oxymoron> Has somebody figured out how you group windows, I have been looking everywhere and the video on kde.org does not explain how to do it?
[15:38] <koltroll> oxymoron, do you got kde 4.4?
[15:39] <oxymoron> koltroll: Yes :)
[15:39] <BusMaster> genii, thanks I'll try that
[15:39] <MWisBest> oxymoron: What to you mean by group, like on the taskbar?
[15:40] <oxymoron> MWisBest: No, tab grouping in the window/title bar?
[15:40] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Oh. Let me dig around a minute or two.
[15:41] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Thank you :) And what I have heard you shall click with the middle button, I guess they mean scroll wheel, but does not work for me so :P Right click and move to group does not work either :P
[15:41] <MWisBest> marcos: from MepisLovers?
[15:43] <oxymoron> MWisBest: MepisLovers?
[15:44] <MWisBest> oxymoron: it's a forum for people that use Mepis. Mepis is a Debian based KDE distro.
[15:45] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Not anything I have heard of but alright :) I prefer Kubuntu
[15:45] <MWisBest> oxymoron: go into System Settings >> Window Behavior. Then on the left choosee Window Behavior. Check the setting under "Titlebar & Frame"
[15:46] <MWisBest> oxymoron: It's really easy to use. It was my first Linux distro.
[15:47] <MWisBest> oxymoron: set the right button to what the middle button is set to. I think that should work.
[15:47] <oxymoron> MWisBest: I am inside systemsettings->window behavior -> windowbehavior but does not found the setting titlebar and frame
[15:48] <MWisBest> oxymoron: oooh. On the top, on all the tabs, hit "Titlebar Actions"
[15:48] <MWisBest> oxymoron: I missed that part :( .
[15:48] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Ah there we have it :) But I want show window menu? :P
[15:49] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Oh. I didn't understand what you meant I guess :P Still.
[15:50] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Also on the top of that tab there is a setting for "Titlebar wheel event:" I don't know if that might be something you're looking for, but I thought I'd point it out to ya.
[15:50] <oxymoron> MWisBest: ANd it does not work at all anyway even if I choose right button instead for window group moving
[15:51] <MWisBest> Wait a second... did you change the selection of what the middle button does? I think you have to do that to get whatever the middle button is set to.
[15:51] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Yes I changed that.
[15:51] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Nevermind. I'm retarded.
[15:52] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Did you hit apply?
[15:52] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Yes I did apply ...
[15:52] <olskolirc> how do I see my version of Kubuntu?
[15:52] <olskolirc> I don't know what I have :-(
[15:52] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Sorry again. I'm retarded. As you know.
[15:52] <donwINO> Anyone using Open Office on Kubuntu 9.10 AMD?  Does it work ok?
[15:53] <oxymoron> MWisBest: I think they have been disable that feature ... xD I cant get same option as they do in the video tutorial/showoff :P
[15:53] <MWisBest> donwlNO: Sorry, couldn't tell ya. I'm on 10.04, which is total pwnage.
[15:54] <oxymoron> MWisBest: You should be able to get window properties by rightlicking in the titlebar and then selsct move window to goup, but it is no.
[15:54] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Do you have 2 windows open?
[15:55] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Yes?
[15:55] <MWisBest> oxymoron: It works for me.
[15:55] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Weird :S Gah, what is the problem then for me? :S
[15:55] <MWisBest> oxymoron: On the top it shows the tabs. Jeez, I didn't even know this feature. It's ******* awesome!
[15:56] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Yes it is awesome and I want to use it :D
[15:56] <dmatt> olskolirc: lsb_release -a
[15:56] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Maybe it has something to do with if Compositing is enabled.
[15:56] <olskolirc> thanks dmatt
[15:57] <oxymoron> MWisBest: How do I check that, or I mean where?
[15:57] <MWisBest> oxymoron: I have to figure that out myself!
[15:58] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Under Desktop Effects, in System Setting. Should be a huge Green Check mark on the left.
[15:59] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Hahahaha LOL I didnt even had that package installed ....
[15:59] <MWisBest> oxymoron: What package?
[15:59] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Compiz engine ...
[16:00] <MWisBest> oxymoron: I don't think it's a package...
[16:00] <koltroll> Guys, no one in here with a dual screen setup that uses ati? I've got a radeon 4770 and just don't know how to get it to work
[16:00] <oxymoron> MWisBest: COmposite is active it says
[16:01] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Well I'm stumped.
[16:01] <koltroll> I just got a ghost pointer on my right screen
[16:01] <koltroll> black background
[16:01] <koltroll> can't do anything in there
[16:01] <MWisBest> oxymoron: I wonder if it's any different since I'm in Lucid and started out with KDE4.4, not having to upgrade from KDE4.3.
[16:02] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Gah this really sucks ... I am using Karmic btw ...
[16:02] <MWisBest> yofel and yofel_... why 2 yofels? (users)
[16:03] <oxymoron> MWisBest: ANyway I have to go now, thanks for your help anyway :)
[16:04] <MWisBest> oxymoron: You helped me more than I helped you!
[16:04] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Now I figured out how to get the Cube enabled!
[16:05] <BluesKaj> ctrl+F11 ?
[16:05] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Hehe your welcome ;)
[16:05] <MWisBest> BluesKaj: I had to enable the effect in Desktop Effects.
[16:05] <oxymoron> Is it possible to enable cube when alt+shift+tab?
[16:06] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's not quite as simpla as compiz , but i prefer it ...compiz is a bit of a hog
[16:07] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Yep. Just change the key combination. Under Desktop Effects then Tab All Effects.
[16:07] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Click the wrench across from "Desktop Cube"
[16:08] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Now it won't work. WTF?
[16:09] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Cube is cool, but it's really bogging down my performance on this tiny ATi Radeon X300SE.
[16:10] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Sweet! Now I have a triangular prism!
[16:11] <MWisBest> oxymoron: I set my desktops to 3 XD.
[16:11] <oxymoron> MWisBest: Does not work for me with alt+tabular
[16:11] <Henson_D> has anyone got Nepomuk and Strigi working with the new KDE 4.4.0 packages, or had any issues with it?  It seems as though Strigi and Nepomuk work, but when searching in Dolphin I get zero results for any search I do.  But if I hit Alt+F2 and type "nepomuksearch:/blahblah" it will work properly and find results.
[16:11] <MWisBest> oxymoron: Yeah I just realized that.
[16:12] <oxymoron> Cube does work switching desktops though ...
[16:12] <oxymoron> Got to go, cya later
[16:13] <BusMaster> how can I prevent apps from minimizing to the taskbar? I prefer to use AWN so I don't want minimized windows occupying taskbar real estate
[16:14] <FeasibilityStudy> Henson_D: works fine here.
[16:14] <MWisBest> BusMaster: Can't you just change the widgets so that you have a separate panel for "Task Manager"?
[16:14] <genii> BusMaster: You could always just remove the Task Manager Applet from the bar
[16:15] <MWisBest> BusMaster: That too.
[16:15] <olskolirc> how do I see my version of Kubuntu please?
[16:15] <koltroll> I want me dual monitors setup to rock!
[16:15] <MWisBest> BusMaster: Also, there is a widget in KDE4.4 (dunno about 4.3) called Window List.
[16:15] <koltroll> I'm a bit scared of installing the official ati-drivers.. which I guess doesn't make sense.
[16:16] <Vroomfondle> olskolirc: lsb_release -a
[16:16] <Henson_D> FeasibilityStudy: yeah, I don't know what it's issue is.  When running "nepomukserver" manually both methods seem to be doing the same sort of queries.  Maybe it's a problem with Dolphin.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, lsb_release -a
[16:16] <MWisBest> BusMaster: You could put that on your desktop and under settings for it (the wrench by it) change it so a keyboard shortcut is assigned to it. Then you get a list of windows whenever you want.
[16:17] <genii> olskolirc:For KDE version info ,  Kmenu...Help...From the KDE Help Center menu choose again Help and then About KDE
[16:17] <olskolirc> that only shows me ubuntu I want to know if I'm on 4.4 or not
[16:17] <donwINO> Anyone using Open Office on Kubuntu 9.10 AMD?  Does it work ok?
[16:17] <olskolirc> great thanks genii
[16:17] <genii> olskolirc: np
[16:18] <olskolirc> wow I have 4.2 how do I get 4.4
[16:18] <olskolirc> on the command line
[16:18] <BusMaster> MWisBest, genii ok, thanks. I am currently figuring out how to remove the Task Manager applet..I have many apps running so I can't seem to right click somewhere that is _not_ a minimized app
[16:18] <newbie123abc> hi all
[16:18] <rmrfslash> anyone else noticing that when you click on the network manager system tray icon (kde 4.4) the drop down appears on the other side of the desktop
[16:18] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, KDE SC 4.4 in the Kubuntu Backports PPA: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4
[16:18] <newbie123abc> After kde 4.4 update: ´ai ´c ~a
[16:19] <newbie123abc> What happen?
[16:19] <newbie123abc> to my layout?
[16:19] <MWisBest> BusMaster: right-click on the pannel, Panel Options >> Add Widgets. Find Task Manager and remove it.
[16:19] <FeasibilityStudy> Henson_D: are you saying you cant get it to work at all?
[16:20] <Henson_D> koltroll: I'm using a dual monitor setup with the official ati drivers.  I tried the 64-bit versions and they didn't work properly with merged framebuffers (necessary for dual-screen OpenGL effects).  So I re-installed the 32-bit version of Kubuntu and used the 32-bit drivers, and it worked perfectly.
[16:20] <BusMaster> MWisBest, I found the task manager. It has a little tick mark on the icon (which shows that it is running) but how do I remove it? Right click, and middle click does nothing. I double clicked and got yet another taskbar..now the panel is a mess
[16:21] <Henson_D> FeasibilityStudy: manually searching using "nepomuksearch:/blahblah" works fine, but Dolphin's search bar never returns any matches, either for Strigi information or for Nepomuk tags.
[16:21] <BusMaster> MWisBest, s/taskbar/task manager
[16:21] <FeasibilityStudy> Henson_D: I had to add an empty folder as a workaround to get it to work.  It didn't work ootb.
[16:21] <MWisBest> BusMaster: I'm working on it hold on a second ok?
[16:21] <FeasibilityStudy> I had to add the empty folder "redland"
[16:21] <BusMaster> MWisBest, sure. thanks in advance
[16:22] <rmrfslash> Hey, they fixed my login krash bug
[16:22] <rmrfslash> cool
[16:22] <koltroll> Henson_D, oh that sounds like a hustle to make a complete reinstall :/
[16:22] <rmrfslash> I keep getting a Nepomuk disabled error
[16:22] <koltroll> Henson_D, when you say "official" do you mean the ones from ati/amd's website?
[16:22] <rmrfslash> Nepomuk indexing has been disabled.
[16:23] <BusMaster> MWisBest, I am using kde 4.4, if that is any help
[16:23] <MWisBest> BusMaster: Just right click on where the Task Manager is on your panel and select remove this task manager.
[16:23] <MWisBest> BusMaster: I am too, but I'm on Lucid.
[16:23] <rmrfslash> and I have a notification "Nepomik Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server to store it's data. Installing the Virtuoso Soprano plugin is mandatory for usin Nepomuk
[16:23] <FeasibilityStudy> Henson_D: Now that i try it in Dolphin, it doesnt work for me either.  Usually I use Krunner.
[16:23] <rmrfslash> how do I install this
[16:23] <donwINO> Anyone know if Open Office 3.2 will work ok on Kubuntu 9.10 64bit?  Will it mess up KDE?
[16:24] <newbie123abc> plz
[16:24] <newbie123abc> help mr
[16:24] <rmrfslash> Open Office works
[16:24] <rmrfslash> im on kubuntu 9.10 64-bit w/ kde 4.4
[16:24] <pucko-> rmrfslash, try installing virtuoso-nepumuk package.
[16:24] <Henson_D> koltroll: yeah, the drivers from ati's web site.  Using the ati open source or xorg radeon driver's won't give you dual screen OpenGL awesomeness.  The official ati drivers were the only ones I could find that would do dual screen and OpenGL at the same time.
[16:24] <donwINO> rmrfslash, the new version 3.2 not 3.1 which is the default package in the repos now.
[16:25] <Henson_D> koltroll: the 64 bit drivers would segfault and totally freeze the computer.  When I switched to 32-bit kubuntu and drivers, it worked fine without any hassles.
[16:25] <rmrfslash> I'm running apt-get install virtuoso-nepomuk now
[16:25] <MWisBest> koltroll: Are you using sgfxi to install these drivers? Might be a good idea.
[16:25] <rmrfslash> we'll see next time I reboot
[16:26] <rmrfslash> can someone click on the system tray network manager icon and tell me if the dropdown is not appearing under the icon
[16:27] <Henson_D> FeasibilityStudy: how do you invoke a search from krunner?  Using the "nepomuksearch:/" method works for me, but is there a shorter way of getting it to search?  Also can you do complex searched with tags, dates, sizes, etc like you can from Dolphin? (if dolphin worked).
[16:27] <MWisBest> koltroll: This is a guide on how to use sgfxi: http://mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Smxi
[16:27] <FeasibilityStudy> Henson_D: Alt+F2
[16:27] <BusMaster> MWisBest, perfekt! It all works now. thanks a lot :)
[16:27] <MWisBest> koltroll: it'll install the drivers for you really easy.
[16:28] <genii> olskolirc: From command-line: echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu  karmic main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 2836CB0A8AC93F7A && gpg --export --armor 2836CB0A8AC93F7A | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade)
[16:28] <MWisBest> BusMaster: No problem! Glad I could help.
[16:28] <koltroll> MWisBest, hm I did try something other named EnvyNG. But I think it only used the ones from ubuntu
[16:29] <koltroll> MWisBest, this one will get the "offical" drivers and set them up and so on?
[16:29] <MWisBest> koltroll: It's supposed to.
[16:29] <genii> olskolirc: If you are on Lucid substitute name accordingly, etc
[16:29] <koltroll> MWisBest, I'll give it a shot. Thanks alot :)
[16:29] <[GuS]> Hi guys, before todays updates of the ppa (related to kde4.4) i was available to fix this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/520408 like suggested there. Now the bug appear again and that fix does not work anymore for me.
[16:30] <MWisBest> koltroll: No problem! I've tried it before but it didn't work because I needed the legacy drivers and they aren't compatable with such and such kernel...
[16:31] <MWisBest> koltroll: Make sure you follow the directions for SGFXI, not SMXI. SGFXI is towards the bottom.
[16:31] <koltroll> yea right.Allready read it through once :)
[16:31] <olskolirc> quick! how do I see my version of X?  my friend has no gui and he has nvidia on karamik
[16:32] <olskolirc> sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-?
[16:32] <genii> olskolirc: No
[16:32] <olskolirc> ok genii
[16:33] <genii> olskolirc: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg
[16:33] <olskolirc> what does that do genii
[16:34] <olskolirc> ok i see genii
[16:34] <MWisBest> I'm gonna get going. I want to try installing Gnome (oh boy).
[16:34] <olskolirc> how does he fix his black screen on karamik he said he can get to a terminal
[16:35] <genii> optionally with:  | grep  Installed
[16:35] <olskolirc> what genii ?
[16:36] <olskolirc> my friends desktop segfaults on him when he logs in
[16:36] <olskolirc> plasma crashes
[16:36] <olskolirc> every time
[16:37] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, your friend needs to install a nvidia driver that works with his nvidia card , which card is it ?
[16:38] <olskolirc> ok BlueKaj let me ask
[16:38] <BluesKaj> more than likely olskolirc , the driver will need to be nvidia-current
[16:39] <olskolirc> how can he get that from the command line BluesKaj
[16:39] <BluesKaj> or nouveau
[16:39] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, lspci | grep VGA
[16:41] <AlexZion> hi guys , I have a problem trying to capture the audio using kdenlive , someone can help me ?
[16:42] <jussi01> AlexZion: just ask the question...
[16:42] <olskolirc> ok hold on
[16:43] <AlexZion> jussi01: , I just tried to record my screen and audio , using kdenlive , but it records perfectly the video , but nothing to do with the audio ..., so I don't know if I have to chenge some settings
[16:43] <olskolirc> he has nvidia geforce mx 420
[16:43] <olskolirc> BluesKaj,
[16:44] <AlexZion> jussi01:  I already tried to change "oss" with "alsa" on the settings panel , but without results
[16:46] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, hang on ...gonn acheck
[16:46] <olskolirc> ok
[16:49] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, he needs to install the nvidia-glx-96 driver , if that's one already installed then he needs to update his kernel
[16:51] <olskolirc> ok BluesKaj
[16:51] <jrdnyquist> In KDE 4.4 (Ubuntu Karmic backports), I see the "Plasma Widgets Explorer" feature has been completed for "Install widgets from file, Google Gadgets and GHNS", but there's no option to install a GG widget from a local file. Is there a certain package needed for that to show up in the widget explorer?
[16:57] <olskolirc> is lucid stable?
[17:03] <genii> jrdnyquist: On my Add Widgets..Get New Widgets menu I see an option to install a widget from a file
[17:03] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, not yet, if you install kubuntu Lucid , you 'll need to monitor it closely be prepared to work on it after upgrades
[17:04] <buckfast> Should I upgrade to KDE4.4 on 9.10 Karmic?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> buckfast, the same goes for kde 4.4 as I just posted about lucid
[17:05] <jrdnyquist> genii, I do as well, and when I choose that option I get an "install new widget from file" menu that only has "Plasmoid: Native plasma widget" as an option, no google gadget option
[17:06] <buckfast> BluesKaj: I need to upgrade my kernel?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> buckfast, kde will determine that , depends on what you have installed
[17:08] <buckfast> So in other words, its not a good idea to upgrade KDE right now
[17:08] <buckfast> I was hoping maybe the desktop effects problems were fixed in the new KDE
[17:09] <rmrfslash> what desktop effects? the 9 seconds it takes to maximize a window?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> buckfast, it may well be a good idea , it's hard to predict
[17:10] <rmrfslash> gives you plenty of time to make a cup of coffee
[17:10] <BluesKaj> rmrfslash, looks like you do need an upgrade
[17:11] <rmrfslash> I think it's not too bad. I upgraded from 4.3.5 to 4.4 and admittedly last night I was experiencing a lotta bugz, but now the only bug it the network manager drop down thing
[17:11] <rmrfslash> the fixed the bug whereas I needed to switch to a alternate tty and back to actually have the desktop display properly
[17:12] <rmrfslash> that was annoying
[17:12] <olskolirc> is lucid stable?
[17:12] <rmrfslash> and why does the login window flip to a different background when you hit enter?
[17:12] <rmrfslash> this has been happening forever
[17:13] <rmrfslash> but I'm ok w/ that bug. doesn't elicit any powerful emptions
[17:14] <[GuS]> Does someone has a fix for this guys? I can´t work right with this bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/520408
[17:14] <rmrfslash> I have to say though, I'm really impressed w/ 4.4
[17:14] <rmrfslash> long way from 4.1
[17:14] <rmrfslash> :::shivers:::
[17:15] <buckfast> BluesKaj: I enabled backports from KPackageKit and it found updates, am I supposed to install all of them?
[17:15] <Flutiju`> Yeah [GuS], same thing here :/
[17:16] <jmichaelx> rmrfslash: ditto on your sentiments viz a viz 4.4 *and* 4.1.... i try to not even think about 4.0
[17:16] <Combatjuan> What can I use to determine why my hard drive is continuously grinding?  I'd like something like the sys internals program "procmon" on windows.
[17:16] <[GuS]> Flutiju`: :(
[17:16] <orion_> !help
[17:16] <rmrfslash> If all I'm complaining about is a login window background change.... I'm happy
[17:17] <p1erre> Hi folks. I just upgraded to KDE 4.4.0 and I had the following issue(s): the icons of the buttons of Krunner and widgets are not shown.
[17:17] <Combatjuan> Nevermind.  I want lsof it sounds like.
[17:19]  * buckfast is upgrading to KDE 4.4
[17:19] <[GuS]> damn bug...
[17:19] <Flutiju`> [GuS] : I'll try the command explained in your bug report (sudo im-switch -s default-xim) and it now works for me
[17:20] <Flutiju`> :/
[17:20] <Administrator_> can anyone think of a better word to say this: de-govern?
[17:20] <genii> jrdnyquist: Hm. I couldn't get GG to install from any widget method. I did instead: sudo apt-get install google-gadgets-qt    then alt-f2 and ran ggl-qt      whereby I got it on my systray where it has now right-click options to add desktop gadgets from
[17:21] <serge> Привет
[17:21] <Pici> !ru | serge
[17:22] <buckfast> my firefox freezed when i tryed to browse a m$ webpage :S
[17:24] <rc1> I have a problem in KDE 4.4 final on 9.10?
[17:24] <rmrfslash> Combatjuan: you know there are lotsa plasmoids for stuff like this
[17:24] <rmrfslash> rather, there is a plasmoid
[17:24] <Guest13098> help
[17:25] <Guest13098> problem in KDE 4.4 final on 9.10
[17:25] <genii> Guest13098: A better description of your problem might be helpful :)
[17:25] <rmrfslash> I have a few on my desktop all the time, namely the ones that check temp sensors, memory/swap usage, and I think disk usage
[17:25] <rmrfslash> oh yeah, and CPU usage
[17:26] <rc1> To those who have KDE 4.4 final: Do you have problem with User Management module?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> buckfast, if you want to keep karmic updated, yes
[17:28] <buckfast> BluesKaj: I think I messed up, 'Unsupported updates' isn't really the backports repository?
[17:30] <BluesKaj> buckfast, sorry i don't use KPackageKit , I just add repos to my sources.list for apps that I want to install whether they are in the backports or not
[17:31] <BluesKaj> anyway , time for my daily walk ..bb in an hr or so.
[17:42] <melomane> how can i use --download-only in apt? it must be used with install?
[17:44] <genii> melomane: thats how I usually do it, although it may work with other directives like source
[17:44] <melomane> genii: so id i use install with -d, it wont install it?
[17:44] <genii> melomane: Correct
[17:44] <melomane> genii:  tanx
[17:44] <genii> melomane: np
[17:48] <melomane> where is the away option in quassel?
[17:51] <genii> melomane: Settings...Configure Quassel...Misc...Identities... "Away" tab in right pane
[17:52] <melomane> genii:  thanks again, but how can i set to away?
[17:52] <genii> melomane: Just type in: /away
[17:52] <melomane> genii: oh thanks ;)
[17:52] <slow-motion> hi
[17:53] <genii> melomane: and: /back              when you return
[17:53] <melomane> genii:  i c, thanks
[17:56] <[GuS]> Hi again, is there a way to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/520408. The suggested fix does not work for me.
[17:57] <ToxinPowe> 1.install qtconfig-qt4.
[17:58] <ToxinPowe> 2. qtconfig
[17:58] <ToxinPowe> 3. change input methos to XIM
[17:58] <ToxinPowe> 4. save
[17:58] <ToxinPowe> 5. remove plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus and plasma-widget-kimpanel
[17:58] <ToxinPowe> 6. restart KDE
[17:59] <ToxinPowe> qt4-qtconfig*
[18:06] <[GuS]> ToxinPowe: ok, i will restart kde now
[18:08] <[GuS]> ToxinPowe:  that didnt fixed :(
[18:08] <ToxinPowe> no? works for me and others
[18:08] <[GuS]> :(
[18:08] <ToxinPowe> sry then :/
[18:08] <[GuS]> before today updates sudo im-switch -s default-xim was working
[18:08] <[GuS]> now does not :S
[18:09] <rmrfslash> I fixed the misplaced networkmanager system tray listbox by moving the spacer arbitrarily then putting it back
[18:10] <rmrfslash> I think my system is actually, for once completely up to date and not showing signs of any bugs. holy cow.
[18:10] <rmrfslash> I have skype working, chrome, my IDE, etc. all actually working
[18:11] <rmrfslash> playin music
[18:11] <rmrfslash> watching videos
[18:11] <rmrfslash> dare I say i feel like I'm on os x again.
[18:11] <rmrfslash> :D
[18:11] <fabio123> chrome?
[18:11] <rmrfslash> browser
[18:11] <rmrfslash> screw FF
[18:11] <rmrfslash> I'm done w/ FF
[18:12] <rmrfslash> chrome is the best browser in the world right now hands down
[18:12] <fabio123> compiz or kwin?
[18:12] <rmrfslash> javascript is blazingly fast
[18:12] <rmrfslash> kwin + desktop effects
[18:12] <rmrfslash> though those could use some work
[18:13] <rmrfslash> takes too long to maximize windows w/ effects on
[18:13] <rmrfslash> but I keep em on anyways
[18:13] <person_> fabio123: Compiz for showing off and being awe-struck; kwin for doing stuff :P
[18:13] <fabio123> this is a little OT i konw but compiz is a lot better, i'm using it on kde 4.4
[18:13] <person_> fabio123: Might depend on your mood
[18:13] <fabio123> kwin is slower
[18:13] <person_> orly? I find that odd.
[18:13] <rmrfslash> I like sticking w/ the standard stuff
[18:13] <person_> Maybe with desktop effects.
[18:13] <rmrfslash> compiz I thought was a gnome thing
[18:14] <fabio123> it0s not a gnome thing.
[18:14] <person_> I reckon I've found compiz buggy in the past.
[18:14] <person_> Yeah it's not
[18:14] <rmrfslash> i know you can install it on kde but I'm not sure how it works
[18:14] <petsounds> rmrfslash, google chrome beta?
[18:14] <rmrfslash> yep
[18:14] <fabio123> compiz kicks kwin ass and will do for a long time
[18:14] <person_> Gnome has no browser per se as far as I'm aware, though it's usually distributed with metacity
[18:14] <rmrfslash> awesome browser
[18:14] <Daughain> Whats a good app for mounting .iso images in kubuntu?
[18:14] <fabio123> Daughain: mount
[18:14] <fabio123> with the -o loop
[18:14] <person_> Heh I was about to say that
[18:14] <rmrfslash> well, ff is in gtk
[18:15] <rmrfslash> so you can call that "gnome"
[18:15] <fabio123> rmrfslash: nope sorry
[18:15] <petsounds> rmrfslash, yeah but sadly i never have openjdk working in google chrome
[18:15] <Daughain> fabio123: Thanks
[18:15] <rmrfslash> no java no work in chrome
[18:15] <fabio123> chrome has got a great potential, but sucks compared to firefox
[18:15] <rmrfslash> but whatever
[18:15] <person_> rmrfslash: Unfortunately, I haven;'t got Chrome yet because I'm scared of agreements :P
[18:15] <rmrfslash> I rarely encounter applets that I give a shit about
[18:15] <rmrfslash> person_: just get it
[18:16] <rmrfslash> you won't be sorry
[18:16] <rmrfslash> fast as HELL
[18:16] <person_> rmrfslash: Probably not worth it. You don't know what I'm like :P
[18:16] <rmrfslash> well, suit yourself (that's the linux mantra)
[18:16] <person_> It's not just a matter of Free Software zealotry; it's about the feeling of uncleanliness and insecurity that I might get :P
[18:16] <fabio123> what about konqueror browser
[18:16] <person_> Yeah I like Konqueror
[18:16] <rmrfslash> I go w/ chrome and it's fast and awesome and I hop of FF when I do GWT development and I wanna die
[18:17] <fabio123> now it's useless im my opinion
[18:17] <rmrfslash> Konqueror?!?!!?
[18:17] <petsounds> i like arora more
[18:17] <rmrfslash> good LORD
[18:17] <rmrfslash> you're a glutton for punishment
[18:17] <Daughain> fabio123: That didnt seem to work.....
[18:17] <person_> Well, it's not so good with flash
[18:17] <fabio123> Daughain: mount file.iso /media/folder -o loop
[18:17] <fabio123> make sure /media/folder exists
[18:18] <fabio123> also sudo that
[18:18] <rmrfslash> anyone who doesn't use chrome has a reason not to.... like, you work for Mozilla or something. if you don't have a compelling reason, it's the objvious choice
[18:18] <rmrfslash> that's my HO
[18:18] <bobbob1016> rmrfslash, Seriously, if there was any way to qualify "best browser" then whichever was "best" would be used.  I personally don't like chrome because I can't use extensions in private mode, I see their reason, but my computer does what I want, not what they want.  Should say "Using extensions in private mode doesn't ensure privacy, are you sure?" not just deny the option.
[18:18] <rmrfslash> LP
[18:18] <rmrfslash> :P
[18:18] <fabio123> rmrfslash: i need firefox
[18:18] <[GuS]> damn... I´ ve cleaned KDE configs, did the mentioned fix and still xim input does not work
[18:18] <rmrfslash> I hear ya
[18:19] <Daughain> fabio123: Do I have to use /media/folder, or can I use another path?
[18:19] <fabio123> Daughain: what you want
[18:20] <Daughain> fab I was just asking if I have to mount the .iso in /media/folder, or if I could use another location to mount it, since I don't seem to have that location.
[18:20] <KDesk> hi, in kde 4.4, there is a the printer applet, with a nice new tray icon. But I don't need it, should only be started when I am sogin to print, like it was before. How can I make that it doesn't start every time?
[18:21] <fabio123> Daughain: sorry, i didn't meant that, the location is unimportant
[18:21] <olskolirc> anyone using Lucid?  Is it any good?  Stable?
[18:22] <fabio123> olskolirc: it can't be any good so soon in my opion
[18:22] <Daughain> fabio123: Cool, thanks. =) I hate being a newb. =)
[18:22]  * Daughain grins
[18:23] <ToxinPowe> olskolirc: 25/02 Alpha 3 ;)
[18:23] <bobbob1016> Daughain, Usually it wouldn't be "stable" until it is released.
[18:23] <olskolirc> is karamik stable?
[18:24] <fabio123> KDesk:
[18:24] <bobbob1016> olskolirc, What is karamik?
[18:25] <bandicoot_> bobbob1016: koarmic :)
[18:25] <olskolirc> koala?
[18:25] <olskolirc> lol
[18:25] <bobbob1016> bandicoot_, koarmic?
[18:26] <bobbob1016> olskolirc, you mean Karmic Koala?  I think it's stable, but "Is (insert program name here) stable?" is completely dependent on your setup and everything.
[18:27] <olskolirc> ok bobbob1016
[18:27] <olskolirc> karmic lagged the audio in my virtualbox
[18:27] <KDesk> fabio123: ?
[18:27] <olskolirc> it only works on ubuntu and I hate ubuntu
[18:28] <bobbob1016> olskolirc, ???  You mean Ubuntu vs Kubuntu?  "I hate ubuntu" is a bit generic, "I hate gnome" would be better.  Try changing the audio settings, I recently went to 4.4 and had to tweak my audio settings a lot before it worked.
[18:31] <KDesk> olskolirc: yep, that is odd, becasue the main diff between ubuntu and kubunut y gnome and kde, so the sound should work in both. Only that Ubuntu uses pulseaudio by default. You could try installing PA if you like, and if you have problem, remove it.
[18:32] <Daughain> Neat, I jjust managed to permaf**k dolphin.
[18:35] <fabio123> the font to use for you KDE: Segoe UI from Vista
[18:36] <esdaniel> fabio123: I prefer Liberation, on principle
[18:37] <rmrfslash> This is a message to anyone working on the Kubuntu project: Nice job with 9.10 KDE 4.4. I'm always the first one on here bitching about Kubuntu, but this is definitely the closest I've seen Linux to supplanting "mainstream OSes". This is fine attention to detail sitting in front of me. Couple rough edges here and there, but I got bug fixes all last night and today. That's incredible determination to make this OS better than just "Ok". To think that I
[18:37] <rmrfslash>  randomly downloaded this OS a couple years ago -- for FREE -- it's unbelievable.
[18:38] <giuseppe_> cool
[18:38] <giuseppe_> hello
[18:44] <bobbob1016> Something seems to have frozen my panel, any way I can figure out what, and why?  More specifically, it froze my time, and I can click tasks, but since the positions have changed, they open different tasks
[18:52] <tentacle> Hello! Does anyone know why isn't the new knetworkmanager widget of KDE 4.4 included in the backport packages for Karmic?
[18:53] <kaddi> tentacle: maybe it changed name again?
[18:54] <tentacle> kaddi: I don't know, if it did I can't find it :) I tried to search for it with apt-cache.
[18:56] <kaddi> tentacle: if you searched for it with apt-cache it should have shown at least the "default one" from kde 4.3. It's called plasma-widget-network-manager
[18:58] <ArGGu^^> hello is there way to disable all notifications and then enable all?
[18:59] <Peace-> ArGGu^^: systemsettings...
[18:59] <ArGGu^^> because it is annoying when the notification popup while I am playing something
[18:59] <Peace-> ArGGu^^: systemsettings...
[18:59] <tentacle> kaddi: Yes, I've found that one and also found plasma-widget-networkmanagement, they're both installed. But it's the old one and according to apt-cache showpkg it has dependencies to some kde libs with version 4.3.2. When I wrote I can't find it with apt-cache I meant I can't find the new one :)
[19:01] <tentacle> kaddi: anyway, thank you for your help. Actually it's not so important to have it, I just thought it worth a question :)
[19:01] <kaddi> tentacle: i don't use kde 4.4 from backports yet and I don't use network-manager as a network client, so I'm taking guess.. just trying to help out
[19:01] <ArGGu^^> Peace- yes but I havent found option that disables all notifications only that I can disable every notification separately
[19:01] <vbgunz> I created a new account in 4.4. grouping windows seems to work in that account *but* not in my old account. anyone know what file needs to be reset to get kwin grouping windows correctly?
[19:02] <tentacle> kaddi: thank you very much
[19:06] <kaddi> tentacle: maybe check out the content of the network package in the kubuntu backport, maybe you'll find it there: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=network&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[19:08] <tentacle> kaddi: thanks, I'll look into it :)
[19:24] <nenad> after upgrading to 4.4  the icons on the desktop revert to their default size. other plasmoids, such is folder view work ok, it's the shortcuts to programs that act strangely. also, the position and rotation are remembered, it's only the size that's reverted to default.... any ideas?
[19:31] <vbgunz> I think the performance of kwin has certainly improved over the last couple days for KDE 4.4
[19:33] <kaddi> would you advise to switch from kde 4.4 rc2 to final right now, or should I wait a little? I would switch from the beta-repository to the backport one
[19:34] <georg> does anyone have problems with nepomuk desktopsearch after upgrading to 4.4?
[19:35] <georg> because I get  an error message an searching does not work
[19:39] <vbgunz> georg how do you do a nepomuk search?
[19:40] <nenad> georg, look here http://is.gd/8eQeW
[19:41] <DarkriftX> how do i go about duplicating installed apps on this laptop onto my new one?
[19:41] <DarkriftX> someone said there was a command that would write an install script
[19:41] <DarkriftX> (for apt-get)
[19:41] <vbgunz> DarkriftX: you can try dpkg --get-selections on the notebook you trying to replicate
[19:41] <DarkriftX> on the source or destination?
[19:41] <vbgunz> on the source
[19:41] <DarkriftX> k
[19:42] <vbgunz> you need to feed that file to the destination
[19:42] <DarkriftX> do i need to send that to a file or does it write one automatically?
[19:42] <DarkriftX> seems to just output to screen
[19:43] <vbgunz> yeah try dpkg --get-selections > tofile
[19:43] <DarkriftX> k
[19:43] <esdaniel> georg: did you see the thing about upgrading virtuoso using virtuosoconverter?
[19:43] <georg> nenad: thx, that entry was not there in the morning
[19:47] <vbgunz> nothing I try to fix the nepomuk error works for me, I still get a nepomuk indexing agents have been disabled
[19:49] <muhammad_> hi all, sound stopped working on my ubuntu 9.10 out of no where...
[19:49] <muhammad_> i installed some software from ubuntu softwre enter but i dont know which software caused the problem, any help please
[19:51]  * meteor needs help
[19:54] <nenad> after upgrading to 4.4  the icons on the desktop revert to their default size. other plasmoids, such is folder view work ok, it's the shortcuts to programs that act strangely. also, the position and rotation are remembered, it's only the size that's reverted to default.... any ideas?
[19:56] <tentacle> meteor: I don't know where can you find it in ubuntu, but you should check the sound mixer, maybe it's muted.
[19:56] <meteor> no its not muted tentacle.
[19:57] <james_l> meteor: Do you have something like a front channel? If not, is there anything related to sound in dmesg.
[19:58] <tentacle> meteor: are you using pulseaudio? if you are, you should check it's settings too.
[19:59] <meteor> guys, out of now where i just got a dialog that says KDE has detected that audio device was removed
[20:03] <newbie123abc> Hi all
[20:03] <newbie123abc> is fancy panel broken?
[20:04] <jrmy> salut ca va ?
[20:05] <jrmy> salut
[20:05] <jrmy> il y a quelqu'un ?
[20:06] <jrmy> fucked up nazi
[20:10] <mauri> I need to change the root path but i dont know how :linux   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-19-generic root=UUID=8427388d-977c-4e10-a6e2-5 ro   quiet splash
[20:10] <esdaniel> meteor: let the channel know a bit more such as backend (xine or gstreamer), contents of /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc and of course that's on assumption you're using ALSA
[20:11] <esdaniel> mauri: try this guide: http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/01/02/how-to-find-your-uuids-for-devices-in-ubuntu-and-other-debian-based-distros/
[20:12] <gmathews> hi there. I am trying to use Kubuntu as a media server, but the video on my Bravia 40 is choppy at fast motion scenes..even SD video!
[20:12] <gmathews> can anyone help?
[20:12] <jrmy> francais svp
[20:12] <esdaniel> jrmy: sois gentil et je vais essayer
[20:13] <genii> jrmy: /join #kubuntu-fr aussi
[20:13] <esdaniel> jrmy: il a raison ;-)
[20:14] <jrmy> nan mais le lien xD
[20:15] <jrmy> il me faut le lien pour allé sur l'IRC francais ^^
[20:15] <genii> !fr
[20:15] <esdaniel> jrmy: un instant, pm
[20:16] <genii> esdaniel: merci
[20:21] <esdaniel> gmathews: is the spec up to the job?
[20:22] <mauri> esdaniel: is there a way to change a root with a directoy?
[20:22] <esdaniel> gmathews: my own experiences have told me I need at least 1GB of on-board video memory for  24bit 1920x1200
[20:23] <ossrawa> Hi all
[20:24] <nenad> after upgrading to 4.4  the icons on the desktop revert to their default size. other plasmoids, such is folder view work ok, it's the shortcuts to programs that act strangely. also, the position and rotation are remembered, it's only the size that's reverted to default.... any ideas?
[20:24] <esdaniel> mauri: interesting q mate - the directory is the first part i.e. /boot/....etc and the device where that dir is located is represented by the UUID so I'm a little lost about what you want to attempt, can you elaborate?
[20:25] <gmathews> esdaniel: okay fair enough ;[ but sd video is choppy too! thought it was a kubuntu thing..oir a gstreamer thing
[20:25] <esdaniel> nenad: write permissions on a config file perhaps? guessing of course
[20:26] <esdaniel> gmathews: do you have good experiences with other distros that give you the impression it is a kubuntu/gstreamer thing?
[20:27] <mauri> esdaniel: my goal is to have 2 differents distros on the same partitions.....each of them located in a different directory
[20:27] <gmathews> esdaniel: no :( wish i did tho.. so u reckon its my laptop video card hey?
[20:28] <esdaniel> gmathews: I've got an old Acer Aspire, from back in 2000 and I have the same video performance as you do - when I ran two gt6600 in SLI things were better and once I'd got to a 7900gts it became acceptable @ 1200x1084 (i.e. flash stuff)
[20:28] <esdaniel> gmathews: the gts were in an athlon x2 rig btw
[20:29] <gmathews> esdaniel: looks like i need a gfx card update then
[20:29] <gmathews> esdaniel: thing im going to read up on setting up a media server
[20:29] <gmathews> esdaniel: gfx card first tho ;) thanks for ur time!
[20:30] <esdaniel> gmathews: if running dekstop media center then a good card, what i use is, an ati hd4870 - though, linux nvidia drivers are better than ATI so might be worth checking out equivalent Nivida (cost c. £120)
[20:31] <gmathews> esdaniel: will do. any suggestions on a media center application in linux?
[20:31] <esdaniel> gmathews: there's 3 to look at, can't remember their names - LMS is one I think but best to google, they're all quite similar
[20:32] <gmathews> esdaniel: cheers mate! will do..
[20:33] <esdaniel> mauri: that's doable, you need to share grub then and create your initrd stuff accordingly - i'd google for a how-to that does exactly this to help you get what you want, i've not done that yet myself, prefer to use dedicated parts of virtual appliances for multi-booting
[20:33] <mauri> esdaniel: tnk
[20:40] <esdaniel> mauri: on relfection while it's possible you will have a nasty time of it, thinking about fact of sharing /var /etc /usr etc.. - even if the distros are debian based you'll run amuck with the conf files in /etc for example - use partitions, it's much safer
[20:43] <mauri> esdaniel: if i well understood all path are absolut and not relative.....I supposed that defined the root all the other path started from it
[20:43] <mauri> esdaniel: i was wrong so
[20:46] <joh6nn> i just upgraded to KDE4.4, but the window tabbing feature doesn't appear to be available for me; is there something i need to do to enable it?
[20:47] <esdaniel> mauri: there is some flexibility via /etc/fstab to mount to particular locations i.e. you could share your /home across distros but be careful what else you try to achieve
[20:47] <newbie123abc> my keyboard stops to work
[20:47] <newbie123abc> accents and cedilla
[20:47] <newbie123abc> after kde 4.4 update
[20:48] <newbie123abc> us intl doesn´ t work properly
[20:49] <mauri> esdaniel: I know....in fact i tried to canged also the root directory in fstab.....but nothing
[20:50] <mauri> esdaniel: I have to learn how the linux works
[20:50] <esdaniel> mauri: you might want to think about using logical volumes as well
[20:50] <mauri> esdaniel: may you give me an example
[20:51] <esdaniel> mauri: quick tip you might already be doing, have a base system that is stable and use KVM to play with a virtual environment - safe way to experiment without killing your core tools
[20:51] <mauri> esdaniel: ah ok.... virtualbox for example
[20:52] <esdaniel> mauri: yep, here's some background on why logicals are 'useful' http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/142673
[20:52] <mauri> esdaniel: but was not i wante3d to do.....
[20:52] <esdaniel> mauri: i know but you could have tried to do it on a virtual machine in any case
[20:53] <esdaniel> mauri: i.e. when doing trial and error method of learning the ability to snapshot a VM is the same as the concept of 'save game' in gaming - do it often ;-)
[20:54] <mauri> esdaniel: thanks a lot for your time and your suggestions
[21:14] <kirasirrr> Привет народ. Не подскажите чего с форумом http://forum.ubuntu.ru/
[21:37] <baer__> Hi Everyone, I could really use some help with getting Network Manager to See my usb wifi adapter
[21:38] <Kage> baer__: the KNetworkManager sucks... I have to use the console
[21:40] <baer__> Kage, Im Using Ubuntu, it believe is just the normal NetworkManager.
[21:40] <baer__> Kage, what do you do in the console to get it to see wifi adapters??
[21:41] <mauri> is there a possibility to merge more than one pdf file?
[21:41] <blah569> Plasma Workspace chrashes as soon as I login, what can I do about that?  Is there anything to troubleshoot it or start it up?
[21:41] <mauri> using which utility?
[21:42] <blah569> is it possible to start plasma workspace?
[21:46] <blah569> "Restart application" is also greyed out
[21:47] <zegenie> blah569: you can't restart it directly from the crash dialog, no
[21:47] <zegenie> but you can hit alt+f2 and then just run "plasma-desktop"
[21:48] <zegenie> if nothing helps, the best tip is to run konsole, and then delete the plasma configuration from your home directory:
[21:49] <zegenie> rm -rf ~/.kdeshare/config/plasm*
[21:49] <zegenie> sorry, rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*
[21:49] <blah569> zegenie:  Thanks!  Chrases after that too though.  After deleting plasma, is it possible to get it back?  Might work after getting it back?
[21:49] <zegenie> that will reset any plasma desktop configuration back to default
[21:49] <zegenie> it only deletes any local configuration you might have
[21:50] <zegenie> so next time you log in, it will start with a "blank" configuration - the defaults from kde
[21:50] <zegenie> if that doesn't help either, you should try to "rm -rf ~/.kde"
[21:51] <zegenie> but that will also remove all kde settings, so unless you want to set up your fonts, desktop wallpaper, kopete kontacts, kmail emails etc over again, avoid it ;)
[21:53] <blah569> should I restart after the "/rm -rf ~/.kde/share/config/plasm*" ?
[21:55] <blah569> I'll try it out.  Thanks for the help!
[21:55] <zegenie> blah569: it's enough to just log out and back in
[21:56] <blah569> hmm, it still chrases after that.
[21:56] <blah569> crashes *
[21:56] <zegenie> and not "/rm", drop the slash
[21:56] <zegenie> then I would try to start with a fresh .kde folder
[21:56] <zegenie> but instead of removing it, just move it
[21:57] <blah569> ahh yeah man, I dropped the slash on that.  hmm
[21:57] <zegenie> "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old"
[21:57] <zegenie> then log out and back in
[21:57] <zegenie> what version of kde/kubuntu are you running, btw?
[21:58] <blah569> Thanks!  Moved it, going to try loging back in now.  I'm using KDE 4.4 and kubuntu 9.10
[21:59] <blah569> Ahh, plasma still crashes.
[22:00] <zegenie> hmm, did you install 4.4 only when it was released, or did you also use the RCs?
[22:00] <blah569> I installed it only when it was released
[22:01] <zegenie> weird - does it crash as soon as you log in?
[22:01] <blah569> it chrases as soon as I login, I can still open up windows, but only from alt + f2
[22:01] <blah569> well, not all applications
[22:01] <Goliath> [23:59] <Goliath> i downloaded a rapidshare ebook with opera, and it finished ok
[22:01] <Goliath> [00:00] <Goliath> then is it 100% that it was downloaded correctly?
[22:01] <Goliath> [00:00] <Goliath> does opera have some type of has check?
[22:02] <blah569> it was working fine on kde 4.3
[22:03] <blah569> but I wanted to upgrade to 4.4 because I used it on regular ubuntu, and it worked out fine.
[22:03] <blah569> I downloaded the kubuntu 9.10 image
[22:05] <bob_> quick question about the kubuntu 'add widgets' box: what do the gold  "star" and the red 'minus sign indicate?  I thought they were add / remove, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[22:05] <zegenie> blah569: if you really want to try and fix the issues, try dropping into #plasma
[22:05] <zegenie> they'll probably be best to know what's going on
[22:08] <mql069> jhkjh
[22:09] <jeims> ola
[22:14] <David_hII> after a fresh install to ubuntu 9.10 from opensuse i cannot achieve a screen resolution of 1024x768 can anyone help me out?
[22:15] <iconmefisto> !resolution
[22:15] <iconmefisto> David_hII: have you tried that link?
[22:16] <David_hII> let me look
[22:19] <slow-motion> n8
[22:21] <bob_> quick question about the kubuntu 'add widgets' box: what do the gold  "star" and the red 'minus sign indicate?  I thought they were add / remove, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[22:25] <iconmefisto> the minus removes them. if you see one, it means that widget is in use somewhere
[22:26] <iconmefisto> the star adds it to the widgets "favourites"
[22:28] <DavidH2> well no it didnt fix the resolution
[22:29] <iconmefisto> you can double-click to automatically add a widget from the list
[22:31] <twoten> can anyone here me?
[22:31] <twoten> ear
[22:31] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: xrandr doesn't change resolution?
[22:31] <DavidH2> when i try to do the --newmode it errors
[22:32] <bob_> quick question about the kubuntu 'add widgets' box: what do the gold  "star" and the red 'minus sign indicate?  I thought they were add / remove, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
[22:33] <twoten> I just installed Kubuntu 9.10!
[22:33] <oxymoron> twoten: Good for you :)
[22:33] <iconmefisto> bob_: I answered that ^^
[22:34] <twoten> when I edit text in a word processor or web page, the down arrow key and the End key do nothing
[22:34] <twoten> what gives?
[22:34] <codenamenos> i want to copy whole website of lyrics any idea how i gonna do that?
[22:34] <bob_> iconmefisto: thanks.  Is there a FAQ you can point me to?
[22:36] <DavidH2> ok. so i got the new resoution made. now how do i save it. so it will be perm  and will showup in the display settings when i reboot?
[22:38] <iconmefisto> bob_: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/guide.php
[22:40] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: on the same page, under  "Setting xrandr commands in kdm/gdm startup scripts"
[22:40] <DavidH2> ok
[22:40] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: basically, put the xrandr command in /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[22:43] <DavidH2> i put it in etc/gdm/init
[22:44] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: that will work for gnome, but not kde
[22:44] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: at least I think it won't work in kde
[22:44] <DavidH2> humm.. what enviorment am i in then
[22:45] <DavidH2> i thought i was in gnome
[22:45] <Torch> (gdm is gnome's login manager, kdm is kde's... both can be used to log into kde or gnome)
[22:45] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: you have kubuntu installed, or ubuntu?
[22:45] <DavidH2> ubuntu
[22:46] <iconmefisto> DavidH2: ok, then you would have gnome by default
[22:46] <DavidH2> ok i iwll brb restarting
[22:46] <twoten> how can I assign keyboard keys in kde?
[22:47] <Torch> twoten: systemsettings -> keyboard and mouse -> global keyboard shortcuts
[22:50] <david__HII> it seems that it didnt work. still only 600x800 & 640x480 is avail
[22:50] <valorie> hi folks
[22:51] <valorie> I'm having a problem updating
[22:51] <twoten> Torch: I need to define a key system wide, my down arrow and end keys aren't working, but I checked them in xev so I know they're there
[22:52] <valorie> synaptic choked three times, so I did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:52] <twoten> updating: finding a better mate for Valentine's Day
[22:52] <valorie> and when that didn't work, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f
[22:52] <james_l> david__HII: What driver are you using? Have you specified any particular modes?
[22:52] <valorie> and get this error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375051/
[22:52] <valorie> any advice?
[22:53] <valorie> I'm a bit worried about restarting
[22:53] <david__HII> james im really new to this. i need somone to lead me through it
[22:53] <Torch> valorie: apt is confused. uninstall phonon-dbg, it's not a required package anyway.
[22:53] <valorie> would that be the best solution?
[22:53] <Torch> valorie: no.
[22:54] <valorie> well, I'm helping with Amarok debugging
[22:54] <Torch> valorie: you need to get this fixed.
[22:54] <valorie> so it sorta is necessary
[22:54] <Torch> valorie: you may install it again later.
[22:54] <valorie> OK
[22:55] <valorie> uninstalled it
[22:57] <valorie> then did apt-get -f install
[22:57] <valorie> sheesh, I think I'm still getting the same erro
[22:57] <valorie> r
[22:58] <david__HII> all i have done is created a new mode and copied it to /etc/gdm/init/default
[22:59] <valorie> gads: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375056/
[22:59] <valorie> I think I'm in a loop
[23:00] <oxymoron> COuld someone tell me what the heck is going on with the Kwin effects like group windows and split windows?
[23:01] <Torch> valorie: i still think you should just uninstall the two problematic packages.
[23:02] <valorie> trying that
[23:04] <valorie> ok, finally they are gone
[23:04] <valorie> and dist-upgrade reports no problems
[23:04] <valorie> :-)
[23:05] <valorie> thanks very much Torch
[23:05] <Torch> valorie: yw
[23:07] <david__HII> i dont know
[23:07] <aftertaf> kde 4.4 SC latest updatebreaks kdm. anyone else noticed?
[23:08] <Guest90325> help
[23:08] <Guest90325> svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/desktoptheme/air
[23:08] <Guest90325> bash: svn: command not found
[23:10] <six> sudo apt-get install svn
[23:10] <six> bzw subversion
[23:11] <Guest90325> six ok
[23:11] <ToxinPowe> kopete has support for webcam on msn?
[23:13] <Kage> ToxinPowe: I think so
[23:13] <ToxinPowe> I can see me on Preferences/Video, but I don't see any button to use it on chat
[23:14] <oxymoron> Torch: Whats status on KDM, Kwin and so on? Latest update ppa7 has made Lancelot does not work at all and window effects neither. Then the aweseom feature with dragging window to edges does not work either, now it changes desktop instead so I put the window in another desktop, wtf?! :S Except that everything works awesome, but I REALLY want that functionality, especially window tab gropuing in titlebars :)
[23:14] <david__HII> icon, you still there
[23:14] <Torch> oxymoron: huh? go slow... this is confusing ;-)
[23:15] <oxymoron> Torch: Alright ... first of all the KDM bug seems to be solved in latest package update, the screen of black :D But at the same time it affected other packages like Kwin and they have changed the some awesome features or settings for some eye candy.
[23:16] <aftertaf> kdm : dependency issue with kdebase-greet package
[23:16] <aftertaf> ive switched to gdm until fixed
[23:16] <oxymoron> Torch: Middle-click on titlebar and drag it to another for window gropuing does not work at all, WHen I click on lancelot menu it does not open and drag a window to the top edge does not maximize it for instance.
[23:17] <Torch> oxymoron: the latter works for me.
[23:17] <Torch> oxymoron: lemme check the grouping
[23:17] <oxymoron> Torch: Do you use Karmic or Lucid?
[23:17] <Torch> oxymoron: this is karmic.
[23:17] <valorie> yikes, why do I now have two overlapping taskbars?
[23:17] <oxymoron> Torch: And which ppa version in backport do you use?
[23:19] <Torch> oxymoron: 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa7 for kde-window-manager
[23:19] <Torch> oxymoron: the grouping doesn't work right now... checking if it needs to setting.
[23:19] <oxymoron> Torch: Alright, same as me. Okay then, something is very wrong somewhere.
[23:19] <Torch> oxymoron: i remember having it on svn-trunk a while ago. but i think i needed to set something in systemsettings to make it active or something like that...
[23:20] <oxymoron> Torch: I have been trying to find the setting to enable it completely but I dont find it and should work.
[23:21] <Torch> oxymoron: you need to activate it in systemsettings
[23:21] <oxymoron> Torch: its not neccessary but I really looked forward to it when I saw it in the KDE 4.4 release and got used to that maximize and split window view when draggin to edges. I must have that, its freaking awesome.
[23:21] <oxymoron> Torch: WHERE exactly do I enable it, its many settings in there :P
[23:21] <Torch> oxymoron: window behaviour -> window behaviour -> titlebar actions -> middle button
[23:22] <Torch> oxymoron: set it to "start window tab drag"
[23:22] <Torch> (which is probably the default UNLESS updating from 4.3)
[23:23] <oxymoron> Torch: I have it enabled, does not work ..
[23:23] <Torch> oxymoron: it does. it's a little tricky.
[23:23] <Torch> oxymoron: the window needs to be active when you start the drag.
[23:23] <Torch> oxymoron: also, you can only group windows of the same app type iirc.
[23:23] <Torch> oxymoron: my test case is two konsole windows.
[23:24] <oxymoron> Torch: And middle button means scroll wheel right?
[23:24] <Torch> oxymoron: right.
[23:24] <oxymoron> Torch: No. nothing happens at all :(
[23:25] <Torch> oxymoron: well, maybe something's broken indeed with your install.
[23:25] <inclement> oxymoron: You are using the 'oxyegen' theme, right?
[23:25] <inclement> *Oxygen
[23:25] <oxymoron> inclement: Not sure, I have been changing around with some themes :P COuld be that. I use AirOxygen theme for the windows :P
[23:26] <oxymoron> inclement: But should be Air theme though
[23:26] <inclement> oxymoron: You have to use the 'Oxygen' them exactly for it to work
[23:26] <inclement> I think
[23:26] <oxymoron> Torch: But other things work I think :P When I recently turned on desktop effects, the Compiz engine I mena.
[23:26] <Torch> oxymoron: huh? compiz?
[23:26] <inclement> AirOxygen is something different?
[23:27] <oxymoron> inclement: Wtf? :S Do I HAVE to use Oxygen for it to work? :S
[23:27] <Torch> oxymoron: not as far as i know.
[23:27] <oxymoron> Torch: App tray => system => desktop effects
[23:27] <inclement> oxymoron: I believe the effects and styles that it uses are built into oxygen
[23:27] <inclement> And no other style yet
[23:27] <oxymoron> Torch: I uninstalled it afterwards though.
[23:27] <inclement> It may be worth switching to oxygen (in both 'style' and 'windows' of the appearance menu) to see if it then works
[23:28] <oxymoron> inclement: Sorry my language, but WHAT a FUCK?! Why on earth is it binded to theme style? :O
[23:28] <Torch> inclement: this is a feature of kwin. why do you think it's related to a plasma theme?
[23:28] <inclement> Torch: Because I read it somewhere (I forget where) and it only works in oxygen for me
[23:28] <Torch> inclement: fair enough. i'll check with a different theme ;-)
[23:28] <inclement> But perhaps I am wrong :)
[23:29] <oxymoron> At least I want Air theme, the other one sucks
[23:29] <inclement> With other themes, I just have no grouping options
[23:29]  * Torch picks plastique style.
[23:29] <Torch> yuck.
[23:30] <Torch> hmm. where did they move the plasma-theme-setting stuff?
[23:30] <oxymoron> If it is theme binded, why is it so? Isnt the effects independent on the theme? :S
[23:32] <Torch> inclement: alright, just for you... picked plastique style and aya theme... looks... interesting ;-)
[23:32] <Torch> inclement: and of course window grouping still works.
[23:32] <inclement> Torch: Window grouping does not work in anything but oxygen for me, I also just tested it
[23:32] <oxymoron> Torch, inclement: WHile weyre still at it, why this error in apt-get: ": Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ppa_backports_ubuntu_dists_karmic_main_binary-i386_Packages)"
[23:32] <inclement> So maybe it's meant to, but has some problems for not just me :D
[23:33] <Torch> oxymoron: well, do you have duplicate entries?
[23:34] <oxymoron> Torch: No it should not be ... I cant find any duplicates
[23:34] <Torch> oxymoron: looked in /etc/apt/sources.list AND all files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
[23:35] <oxymoron> Torch: sources.list.d? :S
[23:36] <Torch> oxymoron: the idea is to leave sources.list itself alone and add any additional repos by creating separate files under sources.list.d
[23:36] <Torch> oxymoron: much cleaner. i don't know what the GUIs like kpackage do, however.
[23:37] <oxymoron> Torch: Eh okay? :S Well KPackage and Adept store them inside etc/apt/sources.list but seems like somtimes Aptitude uses the folder instead ...
[23:37]  * Torch mumbles sth incomprehensible about stupid guis.
[23:40] <oxymoron> Torch: I am confused and dont know what to do ...
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> when you add stuff with the sources.list gui it goes to a file in sources.list.d
[23:41] <oxymoron> Torch: In sorces.list.d: What is the difference between *.save and *.list?
[23:42] <Torch> oxymoron: well, do you find duplicate entries when taking the sources.list.d dir into account?
[23:42] <Torch> oxymoron: there shouldn't be any .save entries, these are backups created by guis (or aptitude, i don't use it)
[23:42] <oxymoron> Torch: Yes, I have two of them, but one is .list and the other one .save
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> (both tools launch software-properties when you hit the button)
[23:42] <Torch> oxymoron: delete the .save one
[23:43] <oxymoron> Torch: Gah same error! :'(
[23:43] <Torch> oxymoron: don't panic ;-)
[23:44] <oxymoron> Torch: No, but I hate this, I just want it to work flawless out of the box. The developers should use same standard protcol but nobody do, everybody do as they wish, it sucks.
[23:44] <oxymoron> Some consistency would be nice.
[23:45] <Torch> oxymoron: trying not to sound harsh, but the package guis all just suck.
[23:45] <oxymoron> Torch: Yes, I use only the apt-get CLI now :P
[23:45] <Torch> oxymoron: if you just stick to apt-get and dpkg on the shell it all works fine... seems like 1996, but at least it works.
[23:46] <Torch> oxymoron: clean up your sources.list and sources.list.d/* files by hand. make backups first.
[23:47] <oxymoron> Torch: Define cleanup?
[23:48] <Torch> oxymoron: if you still get the error, ther has to be a duplicate entry.
[23:48] <Torch> oxymoron: go through the entries one by one and see if you need them at all. and remove duplicates.
[23:49] <oxymoron> Torch: *Sighs* Awesome ... I never got this error before ...
[23:50] <Torch> oxymoron: the alternative to your frustation is to use kubuntu 9.10 like it's shipped and never add a repo ;-)
[23:50] <ilumi> need open src video conferencing that's secure, anything out there?
[23:50] <oxymoron> Torch: Well I need dropbox, zend studio and backports for KDE 4.4
[23:51] <[GuS]> hey guys, sorry to disturb again with the same thing... i can´ t yet fix this bug, even when i tried many times the suggested workaround (was working before latest updates) https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/520408
[23:51] <oxymoron> Torch: I think it is the backport slot that breaks everything :P
[23:52] <Torch> oxymoron: i didn't mean this seriously... just to help you get over the frustration that stuff doesn't work as expected.
[23:55] <oxymoron> Torch: Yes I appreciate that :) I just sigh and try to be patient.
[23:56] <Torch> oxymoron: you're doing fine ;-)
[23:58] <oxymoron> Torch: The only thing I want is as I said flawless desktop experience. If it was possible I would reach a special KDE and Kubuntu version of every package that works perfect and then lock the whole system forever :D
[23:58] <Torch> [GuS]: i don't have a solution, but i can reproduce.
[23:58] <oxymoron> Torch: With lock I mean keep the same state forever :P
[23:58] <[GuS]> Torch: :(
[23:59] <rmrfslash> When you login to Kubuntu, why does the background image flip to some grey image with bubbles on it?
[23:59] <[GuS]> i hard to work, i use spanish and most of the time i use accented characters
[23:59] <[GuS]> is*