| seb128 | robert_ancell, btw I did add small changes to version to let specify a different regexp or url for some sources | 00:02 |
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| robert_ancell | seb128, sweet | 00:02 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, and I did add a lucid table | 00:02 |
| seb128 | so we can clean a bit the list | 00:02 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, where is the offical url now? I notice pittis one no longer works | 00:02 |
| seb128 | cf topic? :-) | 00:03 |
| robert_ancell | ha! | 00:03 |
| seb128 | hehe | 00:04 |
| seb128 | anyway enough work for today | 00:04 |
| seb128 | good night everybody! | 00:04 |
| robert_ancell | night! | 00:05 |
| chrisccoulson | vish - i understand what is going on with this gpm blanking issue now | 00:51 |
| bryceh | hey, from python how do you detect if a program is available in the path (i.e. equivalent of `which dkms`) | 01:22 |
| james_w | bryceh: I believe there is no standard library function | 01:27 |
| bryceh | ok, I'll just check for path existence | 01:28 |
| james_w | bryceh: you can subprocess.Popen it and catch OSError and check for errno.ENOENT, which is likely to be that the command isn't available | 01:28 |
| bryceh | I think checking existence of /var/lib/dkms is probably cleaner | 01:29 |
| chrisccoulson | vish - i fixed the blanking bug :) | 01:38 |
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| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, I can confirm 515155 | 03:43 |
| kklimonda | bug 515155 | 03:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 515155 in gnome-screensaver "unlocking screensaver hangs when ecryptfs is unmounted" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515155 | 03:43 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda, thanks | 03:44 |
| kklimonda | chrisccoulson, do you want stacktrace? | 03:45 |
| kklimonda | it doesn't crash but I've connected to the process itself | 03:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not going to look at that tonight though. i've spent all evening debugging a gpm race and i'm going to bed now :) | 03:45 |
| kklimonda | sure | 03:45 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, a backtrace would be useful | 03:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i suspect that it's not really a gnome-screensaver issue | 03:45 |
| chrisccoulson | anyway, i can look at that tomorrow sometime | 03:46 |
| kklimonda | if so I'll have to install more debug symbols :) | 03:46 |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 03:47 |
| chrisccoulson | anyway, me -> sleep | 03:47 |
| chrisccoulson | 'night! | 03:47 |
| kklimonda | good night | 03:47 |
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| === kermiac_ is now known as kermiac | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 06:40 |
| pitti | didrocks: bonjour | 06:50 |
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| kenvandine_ | good morning pitti | 07:13 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-1.png | 07:13 |
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| kenvandine | pitti, nice! | 07:14 |
| * kenvandine just uploaded (to my gnomex ppa) the first pass at merging the f-spot patch adding editing to view mode | 07:18 | |
| kwwii | pitti: morning! one question: if I want to update the humanity-icon-theme which package should I start from? In the meantime it is quite unclear to me what is in lucid and where that is in LP | 07:24 |
| pitti | kenvandine: ooh! | 07:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: as a backport, or trunk snapshot? | 07:25 |
| kenvandine | backport | 07:25 |
| kwwii | pitti: morning! one question: if I want to update the humanity-icon-theme which package should I start from? In the meantime it is quite unclear to me what is in lucid and where that is in LP | 07:25 |
| pitti | kwwii: Vcs-Bzr: says lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release | 07:26 |
| pitti | kwwii: that ought to be the authoritative place | 07:26 |
| kenvandine | there are a couple of crashers, but shouldn't be hard to work out | 07:26 |
| kenvandine | and we should make edit mode more discoverable | 07:26 |
| kenvandine | details :) | 07:26 |
| pitti | kwwii: lucid has 0.4.1ubuntu5, which is in that bzr as well, so it seems fine | 07:26 |
| pitti | even better: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-1-no-rsyslog-dd.png | 07:27 |
| kwwii | pitti: ok, cool...things are better than I thought. upstream as two repo's for it and someone has a ppa with new packages | 07:27 |
| pitti | (dropping rsyslog's dd process, which is on the plan for lucid) | 07:27 |
| kenvandine | pitti, that is pretty damn impressive | 07:27 |
| kwwii | pitti: thanks for the info, I'll merge things, review them and then get a package ready for upload | 07:27 |
| pitti | kenvandine: 11.5 s is quite good already \o/ | 07:28 |
| pitti | kenvandine: and we have didrocks' bg caching in the pipe still | 07:28 |
| * kenvandine drools | 07:29 | |
| * kenvandine should go get a little sleep before the little ones wake me :) | 07:30 | |
| kenvandine | good night folks! | 07:30 |
| pitti | kenvandine: sleep well! | 07:31 |
| pitti | kwwii: thanks | 07:31 |
| pitti | I need to run out for ~ 2 hours | 07:35 |
| ericjames | I'm having a bit of trouble registering acpi events. | 07:50 |
| ericjames | I've created an event file, and an action script. the acpi events are reported from acpi_listen, however, the script doesn't execute when the event occurs | 07:51 |
| ericjames | when I attempt to start, stop, or debug acpid i get the message: acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy | 07:51 |
| didrocks | good morning pitti | 08:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: I think I need some sponsoring for gnome-desktop, just grab the branch and it should be ok :) | 08:14 |
| huats | morning | 08:15 |
| didrocks | hey huats | 08:24 |
| huats | hello didrocks | 08:25 |
| huats | don't try to talk to me here :) | 08:25 |
| didrocks | :p | 08:25 |
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| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 09:06 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson, ready for your week-end? ;) | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks, yeah, i'm definately ready for the weekend. it was quite a late night again last night | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | are you ready for the weekend? | 09:07 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: tons of stuff to finish first, but yeah, it'll be again a FLOSS week-end :) | 09:09 |
| chrisccoulson | ooh, bbiab - breakfast has arrived :) | 09:10 |
| didrocks | enjoy ;) | 09:11 |
| baptistemm | heya | 09:12 |
| didrocks | salut baptistemm | 09:14 |
| baptistemm | salut didrocks | 09:15 |
| chrisccoulson | well, i could sleep after that :) | 09:29 |
| didrocks | heh | 09:34 |
| didrocks | ;) | 09:34 |
| didrocks | short Friday, isn't? | 09:34 |
| didrocks | wake up, go to work, breakfast and sleep :) | 09:35 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda: your gnome-screensaver backtrace misses quite a few symbols. also, was that the only thread running? (i expected to see the PAM stuff in another thread there) | 09:35 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks - yeah, short friday :) | 09:35 |
| chrisccoulson | then home to do some hacking ;) | 09:35 |
| chrisccoulson | i think i'm going to go the whole day without looking at anything gpm related today | 09:36 |
| didrocks | some kind of "gpm day" :) | 09:36 |
| didrocks | or gpm-free day | 09:36 |
| didrocks | rather :) | 09:36 |
| chrisccoulson | gpm-free day today ;) | 09:37 |
| didrocks | heh | 09:37 |
| chrisccoulson | after spending all last night investigating an issue with blanking | 09:37 |
| didrocks | asac: so, netbook-launcher-efl works well with netbook-launcher installed. Some packaging tweaks to remove the conflicts/replaces against netbook-launcher (not sure why there is a replaces btw as there is no common file) and so, creating a wrapper. That should be doable | 09:38 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 09:40 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 09:40 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you today? | 09:40 |
| seb128 | good! | 09:40 |
| seb128 | I overslept again ;-) | 09:40 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, on se couche toujours aussi tardivement ? :) | 09:40 |
| seb128 | you? | 09:40 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i overslept today too ;) | 09:40 |
| seb128 | didrocks, lut, ouais, mais on dors le matin pour compenser! | 09:40 |
| chrisccoulson | i had quite a late one again last night | 09:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: héhé. Ça t'a permi d'uploader seahorse-plugins vu qu'il a poussé sa branche à 22h30 :) | 09:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oui | 09:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, so you didn't manage to get your early night again? ;-) | 09:42 |
| geser | gir1.0-webkit-1.0 is currently build from two packages (webkit and gir-repository) which makes currently the build of gir-repository "Fail to Upload". Does somebody know which of those two packages should build it? | 09:43 |
| seb128 | geser, ignore that, I've it on my list | 09:44 |
| geser | ok | 09:44 |
| seb128 | geser, there is no difference between current gir and the new one | 09:44 |
| seb128 | so we don't really need it | 09:44 |
| seb128 | debian will drop webkit from gir in the next upload | 09:44 |
| seb128 | I pinged one of the debian guys about it some days ago | 09:44 |
| seb128 | so next upload will work | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - no, i didn't manage an early night this time. i've had 1 early night this week, so that's ok ;) | 09:49 |
| pitti | re | 09:53 |
| pitti | didrocks: yep, will do | 09:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks a lot ;) | 09:54 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 09:55 |
| pitti | seb128: bonjour! | 09:56 |
| pitti | seb128: not sure whether you saw the chart from this morning: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-1-no-rsyslog-dd.png | 09:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, no | 09:57 |
| pitti | this is with the rsyslog/dd thing fixed locally | 09:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm doing indicator-sound sponsoring | 09:57 |
| seb128 | waouh, 11.5 seconds? | 09:57 |
| pitti | seb128: :) | 09:58 |
| pitti | seb128: i-s> merci | 09:58 |
| * pitti tries some more shuffling | 09:58 | |
| seb128 | the bar seems misleading | 09:59 |
| seb128 | actual end of cpu use is around 13s | 09:59 |
| seb128 | you don't have g-s-d background tweaked there right? | 09:59 |
| pitti | seb128: no, not yet; I just sponsored that | 10:00 |
| pitti | will do another chart once that's built | 10:00 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, seems to do some lazy init later on | 10:00 |
| pitti | but that's pretty much what we do with gnome-screensaver, e-d-s, and the like | 10:01 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti | 10:01 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 10:02 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm good thanks, how are you? | 10:02 |
| pitti | I'm good, thanks! | 10:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, I will need you soon ;-) | 10:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, to NEW review indicator-sound | 10:08 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: is it still on your plan to speed up the xrandr plugin? or want me to look into that? | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: standing by | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, if you want to clean a wi too both didrocks and kenvandine have a gwibber mir listed | 10:09 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i can still look at that to see if there is anything we can do | 10:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, one can go | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, I see it on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-une-applications, but none on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-social-from-the-start | 10:11 |
| pitti | seb128: or anywhere at http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-lucid-alpha-3.html#ken-vandine ? | 10:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, I pinged kenvandine about that yesterday he must have cleaned it already | 10:11 |
| seb128 | I'm not subscribed to this spec | 10:12 |
| seb128 | so I didn't get the diff to tell | 10:12 |
| pitti | ah, good | 10:12 |
| pitti | I remember that diff flying by | 10:12 |
| * pitti hmmms at http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-1-mutter-phase-init.png | 10:14 | |
| pitti | that could be something to consider (start mutter early on) | 10:14 |
| pitti | this is now _real_ 11.8 s (no lazy init) | 10:15 |
| pitti | and the CPU block looks almost perfect | 10:15 |
| pitti | no pause in between any more | 10:15 |
| pitti | it's funny how sensitive all of this is | 10:16 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-1-mutter-phase-wm.png is the "middle ground" between "application" and "init" phase, and it's much worse | 10:17 |
| seb128 | what did you change? | 10:17 |
| pitti | seb128: move mutter to autostart-phase=init | 10:17 |
| pitti | so that it starts with g-s-d | 10:17 |
| seb128 | ah right | 10:17 |
| pitti | I don't think it's using a theme or so | 10:17 |
| didrocks | pitti: there is still some "not 100% busy cycle" around gdm start time, weird | 10:20 |
| pitti | that's a needle eye indeed | 10:20 |
| pitti | one CPU is fully busy, the other is free | 10:21 |
| pitti | so there's a theoretical saving of .5 s there | 10:21 |
| didrocks | hum, sounds great if we can launch something in between :) | 10:21 |
| pitti | it's the I/O block of X.org and Xsession.d/ | 10:22 |
| didrocks | pitti: how do you see that? (and also that only one CPU is fully busy), on the bootchart? | 10:22 |
| pitti | but I think we should deal with that once the kernel fix lands, and the loadkeys.sh block goes away | 10:22 |
| pitti | because I bet it'll look differently again then :) | 10:23 |
| pitti | didrocks: it has two CPUs, thus if the CPU chart is at 50%, it means that one CPU is idle | 10:23 |
| pitti | gnome-desktop is built, installed locally | 10:23 |
| * pitti bootcharts | 10:23 | |
| pitti | didrocks: I just put a ruler on the point when it drops CPU usage, follow downwards, and see what happens at that time | 10:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, just from assumptions so, not from something strictely written in the bootchart :) | 10:24 |
| didrocks | ok | 10:24 |
| pitti | didrocks: well, it does enumerate the CPUs in the headers | 10:25 |
| pitti | ~/.cache/wallpaper/stretched_1024_600__usr_share_backgrounds_warty-final-ubuntu.png | 10:25 |
| pitti | \o/ | 10:25 |
| * pitti hugs didrocks | 10:25 | |
| * didrocks hugs pitti back ;) | 10:25 | |
| seb128 | pitti, should we use a -1 or -0ubuntu1 for dx indicator uploads? | 10:27 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't mind so much, but I'm slightly biased towards -0ubuntu1 | 10:28 |
| pitti | just for consistency | 10:28 |
| * seb128 is annoyed at debuild complaining about ubuntu revision but no ubuntu maintainer | 10:28 | |
| seb128 | which doesn't let me build it | 10:28 |
| seb128 | I can tweak DEBEMAIL to build but still annoying | 10:28 |
| pitti | DEBEMAIL= bzr bd -S ? | 10:28 |
| seb128 | right, what I just said | 10:29 |
| pitti | but oh well, why not set it to ubuntu-desktop@ or u-d-discuss@ | 10:29 |
| seb128 | we should not have to pay for being upstream | 10:29 |
| pitti | seb128: but it just checks for any @ubuntu.com address | 10:29 |
| seb128 | *shrug* | 10:29 |
| pitti | what is in the Maintainer: field right now? | 10:29 |
| seb128 | the email is a canonical one | 10:29 |
| pitti | ah | 10:29 |
| seb128 | Maintainer: Conor Curran <conor.curran@canonical.com> | 10:29 |
| didrocks | I saw some packages using the Original Maintainer when we are upstream and ubuntu-desktop@ as maintainer (a bit weird, but well…) | 10:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, I did tha | 10:32 |
| seb128 | yeah, I did that | 10:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-2-mutter-phase-init.png | 10:32 |
| pitti | that's with your caching patch | 10:32 |
| pitti | it's not faster in total, but we have some free CPU cycles left | 10:33 |
| pitti | so I'll shuffle the bits some more to get a compact chart again | 10:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, I'm a bit disappointed that the time is not used for anything else :) | 10:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: moving some bits to start earlier? | 10:33 |
| pitti | or later, I don't know | 10:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: you have the collector running, isn't it? | 10:34 |
| pitti | oh, hang on, this was the wrong one | 10:35 |
| pitti | it started mutter in phase=windowmanager, which is bad | 10:35 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's always running apparently | 10:35 |
| pitti | that's ureadahead | 10:35 |
| didrocks | but ureadahead isn't showed in the graph? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, what do we need to do to be able to push to lp:ubuntu/source? | 10:35 |
| didrocks | oh sorry, seeing it now :) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, we need to upload the source first right? | 10:35 |
| pitti | seb128: the package must be in any PPA, or in NEW | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: right, get it into NEW, push it to ~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/lucid/pkgname/lucid, and afterwards ping james_w to set that as the official branch | 10:36 |
| pitti | it's currently a bit complicated for new packages | 10:36 |
| seb128 | pitti, why not just ~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/source? | 10:37 |
| pitti | if that works | 10:37 |
| pitti | I thought you had to specify the full 5-component path | 10:37 |
| seb128 | we are there yet for the easy to use ;-) | 10:38 |
| seb128 | james_w, help, I'm being confused :p | 10:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, indicator-sound your way btw (just uploaded should hit NEW) | 10:40 |
| davmor2 | pitti: came across a weird issue last night. I did an upgrade from karmic to lucid and somehow it removed my broadcom sta driver, problem is I can't get it back on. Jockey log say /sys/module/wl/drivers does not exist, cannot rebind wl driver | 10:47 |
| pitti | davmor2: could it be bug 506816 ? | 10:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 506816 in dkms "wl missing after Karmic -> Lucid upgrade" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506816 | 10:47 |
| * davmor2 reads | 10:48 | |
| davmor2 | pitti: yeap | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | pitti: any more info you need for it? | 10:52 |
| pitti | I don't think so, it's pretty well triaged now, and easy to reproduce | 10:52 |
| davmor2 | okay cool | 10:53 |
| pitti | Qapla! | 10:53 |
| pitti | seb128, didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-2-mutter-phase-init_maximus-phase-app.png | 10:53 |
| pitti | purrrrfect | 10:53 |
| seb128 | what did you shuffle? | 10:54 |
| pitti | mutter -> phase init, maximus -> phase app (instead of wm) | 10:54 |
| chrisccoulson | niiiiiiiiiiiccccceeeeee! | 10:54 |
| pitti | so that maximus can spread out into the empty CPU ranges instead of blocking startup | 10:54 |
| chrisccoulson | 11 seconds isn't long enough to go and make a coffee though ;) | 10:54 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:54 |
| seb128 | hehe | 10:54 |
| * pitti ^5s seb128, didrocks, and chrisccoulson | 10:54 | |
| didrocks | sweet ;) | 10:54 |
| pitti | and Keybuk, too! | 10:55 |
| pitti | I'll reboot two or three times to see how it reproduces | 10:55 |
| seb128 | I've a friend who told me that the computer work he's using under win takes 7 minutes to start and finish activity | 10:55 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 10:55 | |
| pitti | minutes?? | 10:55 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:55 |
| pitti | that's with a million virus scanners surely? | 10:55 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - i've found that too with most company PC's | 10:55 |
| chrisccoulson | they put all sorts of rubbish on | 10:55 |
| chrisccoulson | hence the comment about not being long enough to go and make a coffee ;) | 10:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: it was 4 at my previous work. Time to go to bathroom, say hello to co-worker ;) | 10:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, likely yes | 10:56 |
| chrisccoulson | wow, in 2 weeks time i'll not have to use a windows machine again | 10:56 |
| Keybuk | pitti: I got 10.2s over the weekend with some fiddling | 10:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, feels good ;-) | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | as soon as I can get reliably dailies, I'm going to retest and if it still works, upload :D | 10:57 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: you'll see, it's very good. I'm addicted now ;) | 10:57 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - oh yes ;) | 10:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, plumber fiddling or desktop? | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | (removes almost a second from the kernel-X bit) | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | seb128: plumbing fiddling | 10:57 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:57 |
| pitti | Keybuk: rock, and that's not even with the recent bg caching and the autostart shuffling | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 10:57 |
| seb128 | so with the background cache + pitti tweaks we are on target | 10:57 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 10:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, btw what is happening with gdm to desktop? | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | you know, as soon as we hit 10s, I'm going to send an e-mail telling everyone to stop what they're doing, the release is DONE! :p | 10:58 |
| seb128 | will we get plymouth covering background during loading or something? | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | seb128: not sure what you mean? | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | yeah we should | 10:58 |
| seb128 | right now you can see the gnome-panel being drawned etc | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | there's some plymouth vt bugs with fixes pending | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | oh, that's DX's stuff | 10:58 |
| Keybuk | you'd have to ask Cody | 10:58 |
| * Keybuk will biab - got a hair cut | 10:59 | |
| pitti | meh, between two identical boots there's so much noise these days | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i really should get a bootchart from my laptop | 10:59 |
| seb128 | ("being drawn") | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | it definately isn't 11 seconds though ;) | 10:59 |
| seb128 | Keybuk, ok thanks | 10:59 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ssd? | 11:00 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - no, it's not ssd unfortunately | 11:00 |
| chrisccoulson | i might get a mini though | 11:00 |
| pitti | Keybuk: your daily charts are still killed by the broken ubiquity automation, I figure? | 11:00 |
| pitti | darn, the next boot takes 11.42 instead of 11.15 | 11:01 |
| pitti | but either way, we've come a loong ay | 11:01 |
| pitti | way, even | 11:01 |
| seb128 | yeah | 11:01 |
| pitti | but as long as we get one solid CPU block without pauses, we're good | 11:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, we still need the ubiquity hook for the bg cache, right? | 11:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, ubiquity and update-manager one | 11:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: that's why I didn't close the WI :) | 11:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: it won't be in u-m, but in the gnome-desktop postinst, I figure | 11:03 |
| pitti | we need a 5-line mini C program to refresh the background and trigger the caching, right? | 11:03 |
| didrocks | exactly | 11:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'll do those WIs explicitly | 11:03 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok. I'll complete them on Monday morning (I want to finish triaging and selecting bugs for UNE today) | 11:04 |
| pitti | didrocks: done | 11:05 |
| james_w | seb128, pitti: yeah, it has to be the full 5-part path for the first push: lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/lucid/package/lucid | 11:05 |
| pitti | didrocks: that's fine, it's not so urgent | 11:05 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks :) | 11:05 |
| seb128 | james_w, why? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | james_w, I used ~ubuntu-desktop/source/ubuntu that doesn't work? | 11:05 |
| james_w | seb128: that's what LP requires | 11:05 |
| seb128 | bah, sucker | 11:06 |
| james_w | seb128: that does work | 11:06 |
| seb128 | (not you) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | james_w, thanks ;-) | 11:06 |
| james_w | that's just not what you said earlier :-) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | james_w, can you get ~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-sound/ubuntu | 11:06 |
| seb128 | to be lp:ubuntu/indicator-sound? | 11:06 |
| james_w | yes | 11:06 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:06 |
| seb128 | james_w, ups, did I switch ubuntu and source again in the url? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | I tend to do that often ;-) | 11:07 |
| james_w | yeah :-) | 11:07 |
| didrocks | james_w: hey o/ btw, does the new plugin version/bzr are now available into lucid for merge-upstream command? | 11:08 |
| seb128 | james_w, sorry about that and thanks for looking into it ;-) | 11:08 |
| didrocks | james_w: (btw, I've converted two new branches to that workflow and it really rocks :-)) | 11:08 |
| pitti | didrocks: btw, I'm using lp:ubuntu/maxiums now (it doesn't have a Vcs-Bzr, and I didn't find a packaging branch) | 11:08 |
| didrocks | pitti: I've done that too IIRC, maybe the changes have been removed as it was in the time I encountered that issue | 11:09 |
| james_w | seb128: done | 11:09 |
| james_w | didrocks: nice | 11:10 |
| james_w | didrocks: no, I haven't done an upload yet | 11:10 |
| seb128 | james_w, thanks! | 11:10 |
| didrocks | james_w: ok thanks, I keep doing from the local checkout so ;) | 11:10 |
| * seb128 gently nudge pitti about NEW | 11:11 | |
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| seb128 | pitti, I would like to get that new indicator landing before weekend if possible ;-) | 11:11 |
| didrocks | james_w: oh, the only annoying issue is that for the first merge, I have always to bzr revert debian/ | 11:11 |
| seb128 | in case things break so somebody is still around working to fix it | 11:11 |
| james_w | didrocks: because all the dx branches use to have packaging in them? | 11:11 |
| pitti | seb128: doing, sorry | 11:12 |
| didrocks | james_w: I was thinking that too, but I'm sure not the last one | 11:12 |
| james_w | didrocks: if you find a case where they didn't then please file a bug | 11:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, np, thanks | 11:13 |
| didrocks | james_w: ok, will do :) | 11:13 |
| pitti | seb128: looks good except the wrong license in debian/copyright; can you please reupload with dropping the "or any later version"? | 11:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok | 11:20 |
| seb128 | sorry I overlooked that one | 11:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, done, bzr updated and source reuploaded | 11:24 |
| pitti | seb128: wrt. the bzr branch, I still don't know how to get pristine-tar manually | 11:29 |
| pitti | the auto-imports have those | 11:29 |
| pitti | seb128, kenvandine: so indicator-sound will replace gnome-volume-control in lucid already? | 11:29 |
| pitti | (source NEWed into main, FTR) | 11:29 |
| seb128 | pitti, yes, when you NEW the indicator I will comment gnome-media | 11:30 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok thanks | 11:30 |
| seb128 | doing the gnome-media autostart change now | 11:30 |
| pitti | gnome-volume-control uses a fair chunk of CPU; let's see how i-s will behave | 11:32 |
| seb128 | yeah | 11:32 |
| seb128 | I'm out of benchmarks land for now | 11:32 |
| seb128 | I don't want to reboot my work box all the time | 11:32 |
| seb128 | and cpu there is fast anyway so it doesn't behave the same way | 11:33 |
| seb128 | lunch time, bbl | 11:35 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll benchmark it, don't worry | 11:36 |
| pitti | enjoy lunch! | 11:36 |
| pitti | seb128: binary-NEWed, too | 11:43 |
| tjaalton | fun, bug 330766 haunts me, but on NFSv4 | 11:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 330766 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio hangs, prevents login, home as ntfs" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330766 | 11:46 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|pizza | ||
| tjaalton | doesn't hang, but fails to start | 11:46 |
| tjaalton | ok, saw why | 11:48 |
| asac | didrocks: coool. thanks | 11:50 |
| asac | didrocks: do you need anything from us? | 11:51 |
| asac | or will you just try to do the fallback? | 11:51 |
| * asac wonder if we have enough space for both launcher on UNE image | 11:52 | |
| didrocks | asac: I didn't look at the space. It brings a lot of depends | 11:57 |
| didrocks | asac: I think it's ok, I'll change the packaging for netbook-launcher-elf and try to run the fallback in that case | 11:59 |
| asac | didrocks: rock. | 12:06 |
| asac | didrocks: even if general UNE doesnt ship it that way we probably want to do that in our armel images | 12:07 |
| didrocks | asac: I think ship it directly will depend on size/speed of startup of the wrapper | 12:08 |
| cassidy | kenvandine, seb128: your libindicate patch introduced *another* weird crash which has been reported upstream and waste my time again... see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=609417#c9 | 12:08 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 609417 in General "Crash when I double click in notification icon (panel)" [Critical,Resolved: notabug] | 12:08 |
| didrocks | asac: but as you can now install UNE in a general desktop, that can be interested | 12:08 |
| asac | RIGHT | 12:08 |
| seb128 | cassidy, the tone is not really required or useful there | 12:08 |
| asac | oops | 12:08 |
| * asac fights with his keyboard being kind of broken | 12:08 | |
| cassidy | seb128, I'm a bit tired of those tbh | 12:08 |
| seb128 | cassidy, what do you suggest doing? | 12:09 |
| cassidy | especially as the patch here is obviously wrong | 12:09 |
| cassidy | be more careful before pushing patches? | 12:09 |
| seb128 | you really think people add bugs for the fun? | 12:09 |
| cassidy | I don't. But it's pretty frustrating for me to see that's the same patch adding bugs again and again | 12:11 |
| seb128 | what about getting the change upstream so it's maintained properly there? | 12:12 |
| seb128 | what about getting the change upstream so it's maintained properly there? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | ups | 12:13 |
| seb128 | cassidy, is there anything which was blocking that? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | I've not been following reviews and issues | 12:13 |
| seb128 | but I'm happy to help getting it in shape if work is still needed | 12:13 |
| cassidy | the plan was to re-implement the libindicate integration by using the proper Telepathy API; but this has been delayed to lucid+1 | 12:14 |
| seb128 | what can we do meanwhile to make things better? | 12:14 |
| cassidy | (partially because Empathy doesn't implement approvers either, so that's our fault too) | 12:14 |
| seb128 | I can understand it's annoying sometime for you | 12:15 |
| cassidy | as said, be more careful before pushing your patches. This hunk is obviously wrong, a simple review of the patch would have spot the issue | 12:15 |
| seb128 | on an another side it's not trivial to jungle with hundred of component for which you don't know the codebase well as a distributor either | 12:15 |
| seb128 | especially when you are under pressure to get a stack ported in a day for a transition | 12:16 |
| seb128 | (which is what happened for this one) | 12:16 |
| cassidy | :\ | 12:16 |
| seb128 | cassidy, I will have to look to the code but the libindicator api added timestamp now | 12:16 |
| seb128 | cassidy, and I guess the same callback is used for both codepath | 12:17 |
| cassidy | yeah but this is a GTK+ signal, not a libindicate one | 12:17 |
| seb128 | cassidy, and ken probably looked only at the indicator case | 12:17 |
| seb128 | cassidy, thanks for pointing it and we will try to do better, we have been talking about code review | 12:17 |
| cassidy | yeah he changed both cb | 12:18 |
| seb128 | cassidy, we had lucid broken due to the libindicator abi change though and had been in a hurry to fix things before travelling back from a sprint | 12:18 |
| seb128 | cassidy, note that I know it's not a justification, sorry about that, I will get it fixed today | 12:18 |
| cassidy | thanks | 12:19 |
| seb128 | hate bzr some days | 12:19 |
| seb128 | why does it say that things have diverged when I try to bzr pull on a checkout which I didn't touch | 12:20 |
| cassidy | so do I :) | 12:20 |
| seb128 | cassidy, it's nothing compared to how much I dislike git though ;-) | 12:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: someone used maybe --overwrite? | 12:20 |
| seb128 | at least pushing to a sftp is one command with bzr | 12:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I doubt it | 12:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I doubt somebody overwrote my revisions on the ubuntu-desktop copy | 12:21 |
| seb128 | I don't see a reason to do that | 12:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: still the same last revision? | 12:21 |
| seb128 | no, I'm trying to pull new revisions | 12:22 |
| didrocks | hum, strange, if your revision have been untouched… right | 12:22 |
| seb128 | in fact there was a revision missing | 12:25 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering what did kenvandine did | 12:25 |
| seb128 | and if he did overwrite my revision | 12:25 |
| seb128 | he did pulled in my change though | 12:26 |
| seb128 | but it doesn't appear has a commit on the online version | 12:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: should be that. I'm constantly playing with bzr (pushing to my server, getting from netbook -> laptop, server -> netbook) and so on. Never encountered such issue except from using --overwrite removing a revision of course | 12:28 |
| seb128 | can we see if that has been done somewhere? | 12:28 |
| didrocks | from the little knowledge I had reading the doc, --overwrite really rewrite the .bzr file from your source and remove the commit as they never existed. I don't know how it's handled with stacked branch | 12:29 |
| seb128 | lool, \o/ | 12:58 |
| seb128 | lool, thanks for fixing valgrind, I had that on my list of things to look at but didn't manage to come to it yet | 12:59 |
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| seb128 | pitti, bug #494561 | 13:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494561 in libimobiledevice "[mir] libiphone should be promoted in lucid" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494561 | 13:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, the build issue has been fixed now, anything else was blocking it? | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, damn... sorry about that | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | hummm | 13:08 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, looks fine now, hang on | 13:08 |
| pitti | seb128: approved | 13:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 13:09 |
| kenvandine | seb128, which package lots your changelog? | 13:09 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, empathy | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | i didn't use --overwrite | 13:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it didn't lost my changelog but my r85 which was fixing a new line issue in the indicator patch | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | no idea what could have happened | 13:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I might have forgotten to push | 13:10 |
| seb128 | and did the same change to fix the build when you worked on it | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | ah... was it the one in the glade file? | 13:10 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:10 |
| kenvandine | ok, i fixed it too | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | i wondered how you got it to build :) | 13:11 |
| seb128 | it was just a stupid editor error | 13:11 |
| seb128 | well, I fixed, commited and probably didn't push | 13:11 |
| seb128 | sorry about that | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | ok | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | np | 13:11 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I'm fixing the crasher cassidy indicated btw | 13:11 |
| lool | seb128: eh np | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | cool | 13:11 |
| kenvandine | thx | 13:11 |
| seb128 | was cleaning some bugs on the way | 13:11 |
| lool | seb128: I didn't actually test it, just that it builds with new libc | 13:11 |
| seb128 | np | 13:11 |
| seb128 | lool, ok, let's see if it makes it happy too | 13:11 |
| seb128 | lool, right now valgrind ls lists thousand errors and exit | 13:12 |
| seb128 | ls or any software | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i got that f-spot patch backported | 13:12 |
| lool | upstream only committed a patch to configure WRT to glibc 2.11, so I'd be surprized if more is needed | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | it is a little crashy | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | and i want to change a few things about the behavior | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | but it kind of works :) | 13:12 |
| lool | seb128: Probably the suppression file not being set correctly | 13:12 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh, nice | 13:12 |
| seb128 | lool, yes, it seemed to be something like that | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | but i don't have any crashers that aren't in sde's branch :) | 13:12 |
| kenvandine | i'll try to get those worked out today | 13:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, indicator-sound is in lucid btw | 13:13 |
| kenvandine | they all seem to be the editor no being happy it isn't in the library view | 13:13 |
| kenvandine | thx! | 13:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I made indicator-applet recommends it too | 13:13 |
| kenvandine | excellent | 13:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, and stopped the gnome-media autostart | 13:13 |
| seb128 | so we should be set | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | sweet! | 13:14 |
| seb128 | works great there | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | did you get it pushed to lp:ubuntu/indicator-sound? | 13:14 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | thx | 13:14 |
| pitti | seb128: what will pull in indicator-sound? | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | indicator-applet | 13:14 |
| pitti | is that a dependency of something? or do we need to seed? | 13:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, cf 5 lines up | 13:14 |
| pitti | ah, sorry | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | it's a recommends | 13:14 |
| pitti | nice timing, I'm just typing the weekly report for release meeting | 13:14 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | :) | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it actually doesn't work for me... but it looks pretty :) | 13:14 |
| lool | pitti: In the FTBFS list which Lucas just posted, there's the latest version of apport | 13:15 |
| pitti | heh | 13:15 |
| kenvandine | i am experiencing the bug dbarth was talking about | 13:15 |
| lool | pitti: You might want to take a look if you have some time | 13:15 |
| pitti | lool: oh, I will (last version built fine on the buildds, hmm) | 13:15 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it works there, mutting and sound slider | 13:15 |
| lool | yeah I've seen that it built on the buildd, that puzzled me a bit | 13:15 |
| seb128 | and preference entry | 13:15 |
| lool | I guess something related to icons or debhelper changed or something | 13:15 |
| kenvandine | for me muting and slider are disabled | 13:15 |
| seb128 | pulseaudio is running? | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:16 |
| lool | http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/64/apport_1.12-0ubuntu5_llucid64.buildlog | 13:16 |
| seb128 | ok, I guess a bug for ronoc then | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | yeah, well i think it has something to do with pulse's status when the service starts | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | we'll work it out :) | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | feature is in :-p | 13:16 |
| didrocks | asac: speaking about that, netbook-launcher-efl is FTBFS from lucas' list too, I know what the fix is and I'll upload it on Monday as well as removing C/R, moving .deskop file, and so on :) | 13:16 |
| lool | didrocks: I poked yesterday and JamieBennet is working on that one | 13:17 |
| lool | didrocks: You might want to check with him before working on it | 13:17 |
| lool | didrocks: What do you think the fix is BTW? | 13:18 |
| lool | I'm not sure that just changeing liblauncher-0.1 to 0.3 will allow it to build, it might need some porting | 13:18 |
| didrocks | lool: it's just changing liblauncher-dev by liblauncher-0.1-dev | 13:18 |
| lool | or we might need an old source package | 13:18 |
| lool | Oh we still have liblauncher-0.1-dev | 13:18 |
| lool | fine | 13:18 |
| didrocks | lool: there is a new source with 0.1 that was uploaded few days ago | 13:18 |
| lool | didrocks: That sounds fine indeed; didn't see we had a liblauncher-0.1 source already | 13:19 |
| didrocks | JamieBennett: ^ (but I can handle it, I have other changes to land on Monday) | 13:19 |
| lool | seb128: still loads of errors with new valgrind I'm afraid | 13:20 |
| seb128 | :-( | 13:21 |
| asac | didrocks: cool. | 13:21 |
| asac | didrocks: does -efl really build with the new -dev? | 13:22 |
| asac | i doubt it does | 13:22 |
| didrocks | asac: no only, with 0.1, cf ^ | 13:22 |
| asac | what does cf stand for? | 13:23 |
| asac | Cystic Fibrosis. CF | 13:23 |
| asac | ;) | 13:23 |
| lool | asac: aha valgrind tip has nice work on an arm port! | 13:23 |
| asac | cool | 13:23 |
| lool | asac: confere | 13:23 |
| lool | latin for "see also" | 13:24 |
| asac | oh | 13:24 |
| asac | nevermind ;) | 13:25 |
| lool | seb128: Upstream valgrind doesn't have the issue, I guess I should package a new snapshot | 13:33 |
| seb128 | lool, $beers++ for you at next uds if you do that one ;-) | 13:34 |
| pitti | kenvandine: do you know the status of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-ubuntu-one-client-app ? | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | pitti, they still say in time for feature freeze... | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ^^ | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | i harassed josh about it wednesday and he was going to get more detailed status for me | 13:41 |
| * kenvandine needs to run out for a few, bbiab | 13:42 | |
| pitti | kenvandine: ok, thanks; I was just curious | 13:42 |
| pitti | lool, asac: did the nautilus change help in bug 512959? It looks like lool's upload intended to fix it, but it's still open, and there are no followups | 13:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 512959 in gvfs "nautilus assert failure: *** stack smashing detected ***: nautilus terminated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512959 | 13:46 |
| lool | pitti: I uploaded a workaround which was confirmed as hiding the issue | 13:47 |
| lool | pitti: But I kept the bug open because it's apparently a toolchain issue | 13:47 |
| lool | (the workaround is dropping -Wl,-O1 from LDFLAGS) | 13:47 |
| pitti | right, the binutils task | 13:47 |
| lool | And the gvfs task is to revert the hack once that's fixed | 13:47 |
| pitti | lool: but I guess we can at least close the karmic task from gvfs then | 13:47 |
| pitti | (it's not alpha-3 critical any more) | 13:48 |
| lool | Ack | 13:48 |
| pitti | lool: merci | 13:48 |
| lool | pitti: (You're doing it or shall I?) | 13:48 |
| pitti | I'm doing it | 13:49 |
| lool | thanks | 13:50 |
| asac | do we need to kep the gvfs task open? | 13:51 |
| asac | e.g. if its binutils its covered | 13:52 |
| asac | but i dont mind in either way | 13:52 |
| seb128 | asac, it's a reminder to drop the workaround | 13:52 |
| pitti | ^ right | 13:55 |
| pitti | but not as an RC task | 13:55 |
| seb128 | not questioning that ;-) | 13:56 |
| seb128 | a low importance triaged task should do | 13:56 |
| pitti | that's what I did | 13:57 |
| asac | sure that -O1 isnt a workaround in first place? | 14:02 |
| asac | in my book dropping a special flags reset stuff to "normal" ;) | 14:02 |
| seb128 | asac, you mean we should use -O1 by default? | 14:04 |
| asac | oh ... nevermind. thought it was the other way around | 14:05 |
| asac | misremembered | 14:06 |
| Nafai | Good morning all | 14:09 |
| seb128 | hey Nafa | 14:09 |
| seb128 | hey Nafai | 14:09 |
| dobey | kenvandine, pitti: yes, feature freeze :) | 14:14 |
| lool | seb128: valgrind PDF manual (which is installed in the package) can't build due to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566591 I'm stuck on that one to update valgrind | 14:16 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 566591 in texlive-latex-base "supp-pdf.mkii: cannot use macro parameter character # in horizontal mode" [Normal,Open] | 14:16 |
| seb128 | lool, ok, thanks for trying and letting me know! | 14:17 |
| seb128 | could people there install indicator-sound | 14:29 |
| seb128 | and restart gnome-panel | 14:29 |
| seb128 | (or dist-upgrade which should install it) | 14:29 |
| seb128 | and tell me if the indicator is working for them | 14:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: ^ | 14:30 |
| pitti | doing | 14:30 |
| didrocks | doing as well | 14:30 |
| pitti | on the mini, anyway (I currently need my session) | 14:30 |
| cedric_ | This worked for me works well | 14:30 |
| seb128 | cedric_, thanks, the slider is active and the mute button? | 14:31 |
| Nafai | seb128: works for me too | 14:32 |
| Nafai | now if the sound icon in the notification area would go away :) | 14:32 |
| seb128 | Nafai, it will when you dist-upgrade and restart the session | 14:33 |
| seb128 | Nafai, did you try the mute and slider? | 14:33 |
| Nafai | weird, I did restart | 14:33 |
| Nafai | yeah, both work great | 14:33 |
| seb128 | Nafai, you probably didn't get the gnome-media update yet | 14:33 |
| didrocks | hum, indicator applet is dying for me | 14:33 |
| cedric_ | everything is good for me | 14:33 |
| seb128 | Nafai, it disable the autostart under GNOME | 14:33 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | well, this is fun | 14:33 |
| pitti | seb128: it does upgrade and install i-sound, but it doesn't upgrade gnome-media | 14:33 |
| Nafai | probably not | 14:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, uploaded a publisher run later | 14:33 |
| Nafai | chrisccoulson_g1; IRCing from your G1? | 14:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, sorry about that | 14:33 |
| pitti | no prob | 14:34 |
| pitti | I'll just wait for 20 mins | 14:34 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | Nafai - yeah, I'm stuck in my car | 14:34 |
| Nafai | heh | 14:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, is the indicator working? | 14:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson_g1, oh? :-( | 14:34 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | I'm blocked in by a fire appliance and some police cars :( | 14:34 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | there's a car on fire nearby | 14:34 |
| chrisccoulson_g1 | interesting afternoon ;) | 14:35 |
| didrocks | bah, indicator applet is crashing everytime now :/ | 14:35 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can I get a stacktrace? | 14:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson_g1, sucks :-( | 14:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'll try to remove it first to ensure it's the cause | 14:36 |
| * pitti uploads udisks | 14:37 | |
| seb128 | wououh | 14:38 |
| pitti | seb128: well, it's there | 14:38 |
| pitti | seb128: but I can't operate the slider | 14:38 |
| seb128 | oh, suck | 14:38 |
| pitti | opening the dialog works, though | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | pitti, same thing i am getting | 14:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, confirming, removing I got no pb, but I bring it back, I have a failure again. How do you get a stacktrace for the indicators, btw? gdb gnome-panel --replace? | 14:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, apport? | 14:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what is crashing, | 14:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the applet should not take the panel down | 14:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: I have no apport crash report. Just the panel telling me "can't load the indicator" | 14:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, which one? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | can you give the exact error | 14:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: "Can't load the OAFFID:GNOME_IndicatorApplet" | 14:44 |
| didrocks | do you want to remove the applet… | 14:44 |
| didrocks | hence my "indicator applet is dying" (the whole applet can't be added to gnome panel) | 14:45 |
| seb128 | didrocks, gdb /usr/lib/indicator-applet/indicator-applet | 14:45 |
| seb128 | (gdb) run | 14:45 |
| seb128 | and then click "reload" on gnome-panel dialog | 14:45 |
| seb128 | you need to run it on a command line first | 14:46 |
| seb128 | ls | 14:46 |
| seb128 | ups | 14:46 |
| seb128 | run it on a command line then add it on the gnome-panel or reload it there if it waits on crash dialog | 14:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok | 14:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: no stacktrace really, but at least an undefined symbol: http://pastebin.com/f108fe4c2 | 14:48 |
| didrocks | (I have to change pastebinit in my netbook to post on pastebin.ubuntu.com btw) | 14:49 |
| pitti | ugh | 14:50 |
| pitti | my box seems to be pretty broken now, I get gnome-session segfaults | 14:50 |
| seb128 | what did you do to it? | 14:51 |
| pitti | dist-upgrade | 14:51 |
| seb128 | what got upgraded? | 14:51 |
| pitti | but no to the new gnome-media yet | 14:51 |
| seb128 | do you have a bt for the crash? | 14:51 |
| seb128 | I blame udisk ;-) | 14:51 |
| pitti | indicator-sound | 14:51 |
| pitti | udisks isn't even running :) | 14:51 |
| pitti | but purging indicator-sound doesn't help either | 14:52 |
| * pitti tracks down | 14:52 | |
| pitti | bbl | 14:52 |
| kenvandine | so who is our firefox guy now? | 14:54 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, you? ;-) | 14:57 |
| * kenvandine hides | 14:57 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine, chrisccoulson, but officially not yet | 14:57 |
| pitti | seb128: sorry, PEBCAK; I chmodded nautilus to 0 | 14:57 |
| pitti | (for running the udisks test suite) | 14:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, and that makes gnome-session segfault? | 14:57 |
| * pitti )#*$#)$ at respawning | 14:58 | |
| chrisccoulson | hey | 14:58 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | i saw my name mentioned there | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | did i miss something? ;) | 14:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: managed to go home? | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson: hey... the u1 guys have a new version of bindwood that needs uploading to universe | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm back now. they let me out :) | 14:58 |
| seb128 | <kenvandine> so who is our firefox guy now? | 14:58 |
| pitti | seb128: I got a suspend during dist-upgrade, did several VT switches, and probably otherwise had a pretty bad state; all well after reboot | 14:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: ^ | 14:58 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson: want to look over it and reject or upload? | 14:58 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine - yeah, i can do. how urgent is it? | 14:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok good | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | looks pretty straight forward, the awesome asac did most of the initial packaging | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | :) | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson: i doubt it is super urgent... | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, that's ok then. i need to get a drink before i do anything else :) | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | lp:~urbanape/firefox-extensions/bindwood.ubuntu-lucid | 14:59 |
| asac | is there a problem with bindwood? | 14:59 |
| kenvandine | no | 15:00 |
| kenvandine | new version | 15:00 |
| kenvandine | 1.0 | 15:00 |
| kenvandine | imagine that... open source software with a 1.0 :) | 15:00 |
| asac | ok. if you have questions please check in mozillateam | 15:00 |
| asac | please check if it really is based on the latest we have in ~ubuntu-dev | 15:00 |
| seb128 | asac, do you know if somebody is working on making search entry have something else than ask.com too? | 15:00 |
| kenvandine | ok | 15:00 |
| asac | seb128: its fix committed | 15:01 |
| seb128 | asac, ok thanks | 15:01 |
| asac | did that today | 15:01 |
| seb128 | you rock ;-) | 15:01 |
| asac | bug 520682 | 15:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 520682 in firefox "Only search provider is Ask.com" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520682 | 15:01 |
| * pitti gratefully sees that indicator-sound is much nicer CPU-wise than gnome-volume-control-applet | 15:03 | |
| kenvandine | asac, up ... merges cleanly too | 15:03 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson: ^^ | 15:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, nice | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | cool:) | 15:04 |
| james_w | which package provides the GNOME file chooser? | 15:04 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - gtk? | 15:04 |
| james_w | thanks | 15:05 |
| didrocks | bb in a couple of hour, have an appointment | 15:06 |
| rickspencer3 | good morning all | 15:07 |
| pitti | Mr. Spencer! | 15:07 |
| seb128 | hey rick! | 15:07 |
| pitti | kenvandine: would you mind updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for DX integration? | 15:08 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, so if I do a dist-upgrade now, I get the new sound indicator? | 15:08 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, are you up again, or still up? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, yes | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, kenvandine great, can | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | t wait to try it | 15:09 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I like it | 15:09 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, and pitti testing says it uses less cpu than the GNOME one | 15:09 |
| seb128 | so it's all good ;-) | 15:09 |
| rickspencer3 | that's Connor's first contribution, right? | 15:10 |
| seb128 | yes | 15:10 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, didrocks and pitti landed background caching too today | 15:10 |
| pitti | guys, check this out: | 15:10 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-3.png | 15:10 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, and scott said that with some plumper tweaking he was down to 10.5s boot | 15:10 |
| rickspencer3 | ! | 15:10 |
| * rickspencer3 cries tears of joy | 15:10 | |
| rickspencer3 | keep going guys! | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | just 1 more week left | 15:11 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:11 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: and that didn't even include the stuff that landed today (bg caching, and autostart shuffling) | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | huh | 15:11 |
| pitti | that chart above has 11.09 s | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you reinstall the mini or do you still have my patched nm-applet there | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm literatly shaking a bit! | 15:11 |
| pitti | seb128: no, it's lucid's nm-applet | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, hum ok, no cpu use anymore, weird | 15:11 |
| pitti | but my chart already has the rsyslog/dd fix locally applied | 15:11 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti last night on my non-SSD dell mini 10v, I noticed that it was starting up really fast | 15:11 |
| pitti | seb128: it seems to be pretty random; it does occur, just two seconds later when the chart stops | 15:12 |
| rickspencer3 | I did a dist-upgrade, went to get something, and when I came back I assumed that it hadn't rebooted | 15:12 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: right, it does; now it's "really fast" to "amazingly fast" :) | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's not there on this chart | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, and the chart goes 3 seconds after the line | 15:12 |
| chrisccoulson | i need to invest in a mini so i can enjoy this fast booting :) | 15:12 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: invest in a ssd for your laptop | 15:13 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: just buy an SSD | 15:13 |
| pitti | cheaper, and it'll be even faster | 15:13 |
| seb128 | people get faster boot than this now | 15:13 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i suppose i could do that too ;) | 15:13 |
| seb128 | cpu sucks on the mini | 15:13 |
| seb128 | with decent cpu and ssd some people do 7 seconds | 15:13 |
| seb128 | or 8 seconds | 15:13 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: you so much don't want to endure this abdomination of a touchpad | 15:13 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i hate touchpads anyway ;) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | +1 | 15:14 |
| seb128 | tseliot, I guess you are too busy to work on this "disable touchpad" option for lucid? | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | i can work on that if it's wanted and noone else wants to take it | 15:14 |
| chrisccoulson | it should be easy shouldn't it? (we used to have the option before) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | having the option in the capplet would be nice | 15:15 |
| seb128 | I use external mouses | 15:15 |
| seb128 | and keep touching the pad by error | 15:15 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, me 2 | 15:15 |
| tseliot | seb128: I'm too busy to work on anything other than the boot experience, I guess ;) but I can work on that disable touchpad thing after alpha 3 | 15:15 |
| seb128 | tseliot, thanks, we will see if somebody else do it before | 15:15 |
| pitti | the gnome-keyring-a... (ctivation-something) process is still pretty heavy | 15:15 |
| seb128 | seems chrisccoulson is interested | 15:15 |
| pitti | I guess that wouldn't appear on Scott's charts, though | 15:16 |
| seb128 | urg, make me thing I still have the new gnome-keyring to land at some point | 15:16 |
| seb128 | I packaged it this week | 15:16 |
| seb128 | but I've some issues with it | 15:16 |
| chrisccoulson | is it not getting a bit late to introduce that now? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | we are not to ff yet | 15:16 |
| seb128 | the lib is api compatible | 15:16 |
| baptistemm | chrisccoulson: YOU SHOULD BUY A SSD !!!! | 15:16 |
| baptistemm | :) | 15:16 |
| seb128 | it's a drop in replacement | 15:16 |
| tseliot | seb128: ok, if no one does it, feel free to ping me again after alpha 3 | 15:16 |
| * baptistemm join the ring | 15:17 | |
| seb128 | tseliot, will do, thanks | 15:17 |
| * chrisccoulson goes to look at SSD prices | 15:17 | |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: but yeah, it's either before alpha3 or not | 15:17 |
| seb128 | one thing they did is to split the services | 15:17 |
| seb128 | so you have several process started now | 15:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, I might ping you to try what difference that makes on bootchart next week | 15:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, or do you want to test that on the mini today? | 15:18 |
| seb128 | they have services for each component now | 15:18 |
| seb128 | like ssh is a service with its autostart | 15:18 |
| seb128 | etc | 15:18 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm happy to do some charts if there's a package to test | 15:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've i386 debs, one minute I scp those | 15:19 |
| chrisccoulson | vish - my gpm change to (hopefully) fix your issue has been committed :) | 15:20 |
| vish | chrisccoulson: yeah , just noticed :) [/me keeping fingers crossed :D ] | 15:21 |
| chrisccoulson | hopefully people will never see that silly tray icon again | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, yeah... i am up :) | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i have 3 kids, then ensure i never sleep past 6-6:30am | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, i got the edit in view mode patch for f-spot backported | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | it's a little crashy | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | will work on it more today :) | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, yeah! | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | I should sleep an extra hour every morning | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | I wake up ... | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | new sound indicator | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | :) | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | boot time is approaching the goal | 15:24 |
| kenvandine | boot time is rocking! | 15:24 |
| rickspencer3 | image editing is being worked on | 15:24 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I uploaded libgpod with iphone support too | 15:25 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, it's a good desktop day so far I think ;-) | 15:25 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm meeting eeejay in 2.5 hours | 15:26 |
| rickspencer3 | we're going to look into making empathy APIs easier to use | 15:26 |
| seb128 | oh, nice | 15:26 |
| * rickspencer3 tries desperately to appear to be contributing | 15:26 | |
| seb128 | lol | 15:27 |
| * seb128 hugs rickspencer3, don't worry you do great work too | 15:27 | |
| seb128 | the team wouldn't run the same way without you ;-) | 15:27 |
| pitti | if everyone/everything is working so well, this is obviously the result of a great team leader! | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:28 |
| pitti | (I'm actually serious) | 15:28 |
| * pitti hugs rickspencer3 | 15:28 | |
| kenvandine | yup! | 15:28 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i just marked 4 items done on the dx-integration blueprint | 15:28 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| * pitti hugs kenvandine | 15:28 | |
| chrisccoulson | there's a lot of love in here this afternoon :) | 15:29 |
| jcastro | pitti, is policykit-1-gnome still called "policykit-gnome" in upstream bugzilla? | 15:30 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - yeah | 15:30 |
| pitti | jcastro: yes, I think it is | 15:30 |
| jcastro | that's what I thought | 15:30 |
| * rickspencer3 sniff | 15:30 | |
| * chrisccoulson finds that a bit confusing | 15:30 | |
| pitti | now that it's gone from KDE as well, we can hopefully eventually rename them back | 15:31 |
| pitti | it has always been meant to be a temporary name fork, to have two ABIs | 15:31 |
| chrisccoulson | has anyone got any experience with buying SSD's? | 15:34 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, seb128, kenvandine hey, so codecs + music store + pitivi .... | 15:35 |
| rickspencer3 | I'm putting together a call next week so we can hammer it out on the phone | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, libubuntuone will be ready today | 15:35 |
| rickspencer3 | shall I invite all three of you? | 15:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: not me, but baptistemm and jcastro do | 15:35 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, sure | 15:35 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, works for me | 15:35 |
| chrisccoulson | cool, thanks :) | 15:35 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: ack | 15:36 |
| baptistemm | I bought mine on ebay for 350€ free of charge | 15:36 |
| baptistemm | which 70€ less expensive than any shop in EU | 15:36 |
| seb128 | urg | 15:36 |
| seb128 | that's expensive | 15:36 |
| baptistemm | yeah :) | 15:36 |
| baptistemm | it is my christmas present | 15:36 |
| seb128 | you can get 2 minis for that price | 15:36 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm, which model did you get? (and what storage capacity?) | 15:37 |
| baptistemm | I took a 160GB intel x25m | 15:37 |
| seb128 | 160G, that's why I guess | 15:37 |
| baptistemm | 80 GB is twice cheaper | 15:37 |
| jcastro | chrisccoulson, you want the intel x25-m g2. They go for about $289 US. | 15:37 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, that's pretty big | 15:37 |
| baptistemm | I tooka g2 too) | 15:37 |
| chrisccoulson | jcastro - thanks. will have a look :) | 15:38 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: tseliot postponed some 5 WIs, you added two for ArneGoetje, but we have more than yesterday; how can that be.. | 15:46 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I have no idea | 15:48 |
| rickspencer3 | can we query the database? | 15:49 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: we can, yes | 15:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, we need daily diffs ;-) | 15:52 |
| pitti | oh, I added two more to startu-speed | 15:53 |
| seb128 | that still doesn't make for the 5 | 15:53 |
| seb128 | I did close 2 yesterday I think too | 15:53 |
| seb128 | and the gwibber duplicate got closed too | 15:53 |
| seb128 | we should have dropped by 8 or something | 15:54 |
| pitti | ah, and some more from https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-xorg-triaging-diagnosis got assigned from canonical-qa back to us | 15:54 |
| pitti | anyway, I'll have a closer look later on (meeting starts soon) | 15:54 |
| chrisccoulson | does anybody in here use multiple keyboard layouts? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: I do yes | 16:03 |
| pitti | o/ | 16:03 |
| Nafai | Can do you a different layout per keyboard? | 16:03 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I think we are going to just punt the rest of those xorg triaging work items to Lucid + 1 | 16:03 |
| Nafai | i.e., one for my built-in one and one for my external? | 16:04 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - is there any way of switching layouts other than using the layout switcher in the notification area? | 16:04 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: well, it's some time spent now which could help us to save lots of time later on | 16:04 |
| pitti | this is why I was a bit hesitant to postpone it | 16:04 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you can configure the keybing for that in the capplet | 16:04 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I know | 16:04 |
| rickspencer3 | please discuss with bryce | 16:04 |
| pitti | *nod* (already did) | 16:04 |
| rickspencer3 | I believe that he has picked the low hanging fruit and is still working on some | 16:04 |
| pitti | still keeping it as target of opportunity for alpha-3 | 16:05 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - ah, ok. thanks. so, it would be a reasonable request to provide a way to hide the layout switcher? | 16:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: I think default is both alt together | 16:05 |
| rickspencer3 | but I want us to stop blueprint work on the 18th! | 16:05 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: yes | 16:05 |
| * rickspencer3 repeats mantra | 16:05 | |
| rickspencer3 | 1. find and fix the worst bugs | 16:05 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks | 16:05 |
| rickspencer3 | 2. ensure a smooth upgrade experience | 16:05 |
| rickspencer3 | 3. integrate the latest and greatest from Dx | 16:05 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: that probably will contribute to 1. :) | 16:05 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, understood | 16:05 |
| rickspencer3 | I think he's on track to do the right work items for Lucid | 16:06 |
| rickspencer3 | they aren't *all* necessary to help with 1 | 16:06 |
| pitti | *nod* | 16:06 |
| rickspencer3 | anyway, I trust that bryceh will be able to make the right trade offs | 16:06 |
| rickspencer3 | he always has in the past | 16:06 |
| rickspencer3 | but seriously, this bears repeating ... | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | everyone finish up your blueprint work for A3!! | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | we need to switch gears to quality mode!! | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | the users will appreciate that more than one or two more features | 16:08 |
| * rickspencer3 gets off soap box | 16:08 | |
| * rickspencer3 stops preaching to choir | 16:08 | |
| rickspencer3 | ;) | 16:08 |
| baptistemm | does someone experience black display after booting, i don't see GDM greeter but I hear ubuntu login sound | 16:17 |
| baptistemm | If I switch to vt1 and do "restart gdm", gdm works fine | 16:18 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, try ctrl-alt-f1 and ctrl-alt-f7 | 16:18 |
| seb128 | do you have plymounth installed? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | bah | 16:18 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, no cookie for you! | 16:18 |
| baptistemm | I guess so, is it installed by default in lucid (My computer is at home) | 16:19 |
| seb128 | baptistemm, you can try to apt-get remove it | 16:19 |
| baptistemm | I installed my new disk with the A2 cd or a daily one but afterA2 | 16:19 |
| seb128 | it fixes issues for quite some users | 16:19 |
| baptistemm | just remove it | 16:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:19 |
| baptistemm | I mean I won't have the real boot process | 16:20 |
| baptistemm | so I can't test | 16:20 |
| baptistemm | okay | 16:20 |
| didrocks | re | 16:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, wb | 16:22 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oh btw I had an idea about your cheese crasher | 16:24 |
| seb128 | didrocks, is your source online somewhere or do you want to try something ? | 16:24 |
| desrt | nice! | 16:25 |
| desrt | i'm in a coffee shop and the people behind me are discussing google's "don't be evil" motto | 16:25 |
| didrocks | desrt: heh, what kind of coffee shop are you in? ;) | 16:26 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 16:26 |
| desrt | william's coffee pub | 16:27 |
| desrt | across the street from a university | 16:27 |
| chrisccoulson | whats happened to the volume osd notification? | 16:34 |
| chrisccoulson | does it work for anyone else? | 16:34 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, brightness is not working here either | 16:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, is notify-osd working for you? | 16:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: sorry, I was rollbacking the channel's log. let me scp it :) | 16:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: I can have a try if you want | 16:36 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i'm seeing message notifications | 16:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: fredp told me yesterday that he doesn't have this issue on debian | 16:36 |
| chrisccoulson | but the synchronous notifications are busted | 16:36 |
| didrocks | (maybe related to udev, as I don't have the crash on my box without webcam?) | 16:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I've a feeling I know what the issue is there... | 16:37 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmmm | 16:38 |
| chrisccoulson | they're working now | 16:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you me to try something or I just push the branch? | 16:39 |
| chrisccoulson | brb, session restart | 16:39 |
| slomo | seb128: thanks for syncing all the gstreamer packages :) | 16:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, | 16:39 |
| seb128 | +LDFLAGS=$(shell echo $$LDFLAGS | sed -e 's/-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions//') | 16:39 |
| seb128 | +export LDFLAGS | 16:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, add that to the rules | 16:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok thanks, doing :) | 16:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, before the includes | 16:39 |
| james_w | could someone review http://paste.ubuntu.com/374830/ please? | 16:39 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, <james_w> could someone review http://paste.ubuntu.com/374830/ please? | 16:43 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I think you know a bit this code? | 16:43 |
| seb128 | james_w, looking at it too, but diff of diff is hard, I will apply that to the source :-p | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - yeah, i will take a look shortly. i took a look at this a little while ago | 16:44 |
| james_w | I'm not sure it's the right fix, and I'd want to run with it for a while | 16:45 |
| james_w | seb128: no kidding :-) | 16:45 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - i've actually got a feeling that there are 2 code paths which don't set a GError (when they should be doing) | 16:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i vaguely remember that from when i looked at it before | 16:45 |
| james_w | hmm | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | but i will take a look shortly | 16:46 |
| james_w | possibly | 16:46 |
| james_w | I was going on what was in the upstream report | 16:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: you ROCK! | 16:47 |
| * didrocks hugs seb128 | 16:47 | |
| pitti | ccheney: hey, good morning | 16:47 |
| * seb128 hugs didrocks | 16:47 | |
| pitti | ccheney: do you know if there is a more precise release roadmap for OO.o 3.2.1 by now? | 16:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: even looking at ld, I have no idea about what this option in LDFLAGS is doing (and what it's doing wrong, in fact :)) | 16:48 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, did you say you had reviewed the gpm appindicator patch? | 16:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the same symbol is defined in 2 binaries there | 16:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the binary and the library probably | 16:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, that leads to such crashes when using -Bsymbolic | 16:49 |
| seb128 | we had the issue with gnome-bluetooth previously | 16:49 |
| seb128 | I know it by now ;-) | 16:49 |
| pitti | seb128: did you want me to test new keyring packages? I. e. did I miss an IRC ping of your's or so? | 16:50 |
| seb128 | our toolchain has -Bsymbolic-function by default | 16:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh right, not I just finished other stuff and forgot | 16:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh ok, make sense :) btw how to know what are the default flags? (it's something loaded by make, I guess) | 16:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gnome-keyring | 16:52 |
| seb128 | it's copying | 16:52 |
| seb128 | one minute | 16:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, not sure right now how to do that, I know this one is on though | 16:52 |
| seb128 | there is a wiki page with the toolchain option we activate | 16:53 |
| seb128 | but I don't want to search for it now, busy with other things | 16:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I'll try to find it, good to know, thanks :) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | np | 16:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, feel free to comment on the upstream bug saying it happens only with -Bsymbolic-function and it's probably a symbol defined in 2 binaries | 16:54 |
| seb128 | you might want to look at which one | 16:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, online | 16:54 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks, testint | 16:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 16:54 |
| pitti | bah, Friday evening tpying :) | 16:54 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - can we do a SRU for bug 160862? | 16:54 |
| didrocks | seb128: yep, I finish some bug triaging first and then cheese upload + report upstream | 16:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 160862 in gnome-system-tools "users-admin (System->Administration->Users and Groups) overwrites group file" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160862 | 16:54 |
| chrisccoulson | it's only a 1 liner :) | 16:55 |
| pitti | seb128: anything I should test in particular? (so far I only have wifi password here, but I can also test ssh easily) | 16:55 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: without looking at the bug, the title very much suggests SRUability | 16:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, well you can test if it works for you, but I was rather interested by bootchart on the mini | 16:55 |
| pitti | ah | 16:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, be careful if you install that on your session it will break libgnome-keyring customers until gnome-keyring restart | 16:56 |
| seb128 | or session restart | 16:56 |
| seb128 | ie searhose if you run it will tell you it can't connect to the gnome-keyring daemon | 16:56 |
| seb128 | I get empathy crashing with it too which I didn't investigate yet | 16:56 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks. would you mind adding targets for hardy, jaunty and karmic? (i suspect it's probably not worth effort fixing on intrepid) | 16:56 |
| seb128 | or rather mission-control | 16:56 |
| pitti | np, I don't have anythign on that box | 16:56 |
| seb128 | cassidy, do you know if there is some known issue between mission control and keyring 2,29? | 16:57 |
| cassidy | seb128, yes, a crash has been reported | 16:58 |
| cassidy | let me find it | 16:58 |
| cassidy | seb128, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608709 | 16:58 |
| seb128 | cassidy, thanks! | 16:58 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 608709 in libgnome-keyring "Can't create a new account on 2.29.6" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] | 16:58 |
| cassidy | which is a dup of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608510 | 16:58 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 608510 in libgnome-keyring "assertion failure when item is not in keyring" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 16:58 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: done | 16:59 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - thanks | 17:11 |
| pitti | seb128: the new one uses more CPU | 17:19 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-2.png | 17:20 |
| pitti | (old) | 17:20 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100212-5-new-gnome-keyring.png | 17:20 |
| pitti | (new) | 17:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, is that enough that you would consider it an issue? | 17:21 |
| seb128 | I'm still pondering what to do there | 17:21 |
| pitti | seb128: if we want the new one for functional reasons, I'm happy to take a look at it and see what we can optimize | 17:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've having some email exchange with upstream about it | 17:23 |
| seb128 | he wrote recently | 17:23 |
| seb128 | " * Better startup, controlling which components launch through | 17:23 |
| seb128 | 'Startup Applications' | 17:23 |
| seb128 | * Locking keyrings after a certain amount of idle time." | 17:23 |
| seb128 | as new features | 17:23 |
| seb128 | and "The two versions use the same file formats, and are completely | 17:23 |
| seb128 | compatible with one another" | 17:23 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - on the subject of SRU's, hughsie is considering backporting this commit back to gpm 2.28: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-power-manager/commit/?id=7380ab4e13db76cb5be2e1bc4a42a810a5261fd4 | 17:23 |
| seb128 | the said the code has been refactored and should be nicer | 17:23 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure if we want to consider that for karmic too | 17:24 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: uh, sorry, what's the effect in plain English? | 17:24 |
| seb128 | I will pay $beers to whoever fix gpm not coming back to the brighness level it should go to before lucid | 17:24 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - the status icon appears in the notification area telling you that your display is broken, and the display blanks whilst you're working | 17:25 |
| pitti | seb128: if you think we should update, as part of 2.30, you have my support for that | 17:25 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: eww; sounds worth fixing indeed | 17:25 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've no strong opinion, what we have is known and works | 17:25 |
| seb128 | new version didn't break compatibility though | 17:25 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - he's going to run it for a while just to make sure it really fixes the issue | 17:26 |
| seb128 | they splitted the lib and added those dbus interfaces | 17:26 |
| seb128 | and some modularity | 17:26 |
| chrisccoulson | and i'll upload it to lucid too | 17:26 |
| seb128 | but those are not really must have for lucid | 17:26 |
| seb128 | what other people take would be on this one? | 17:26 |
| pitti | seb128: *nod*; so that could also be considered a "potential source of regressions without major benefits"? | 17:26 |
| pitti | seb128: don't other GNOME components make use of those new APIs sooner or later? | 17:27 |
| seb128 | not this cycle | 17:27 |
| seb128 | they plan to rework the store system etc | 17:27 |
| seb128 | and will deprecate libgnome-keyring | 17:27 |
| seb128 | but that didn't happen this cycle | 17:27 |
| seb128 | store -> storage | 17:27 |
| seb128 | I think they are working toward dbus method and a freedesktop storage | 17:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-keyring-list/2010-January/msg00007.html | 17:29 |
| pitti | seb128: the only thing which I want to avoid is to update to it late (after beta-2 or so) because a newer gnome version depends on it | 17:29 |
| pitti | if that's very unlikely, staying on 2.28 sounds fine to me | 17:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, chrisccoulson: ^ opinion? | 17:29 |
| pitti | if we stay at 2.28, I'd like us to disable the "allow access to keyring" question, though | 17:30 |
| pitti | (but that should be easy) | 17:30 |
| seb128 | right | 17:30 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think it's worth updating it this cycle, especially if nothing else in GNOME needs it just yet | 17:30 |
| seb128 | well I'm not decided between staying on a known codebase | 17:30 |
| seb128 | or going with somebody which will be easier to maintain and an uptodate plateform for those use lucid for work | 17:30 |
| seb128 | somebody -> something | 17:31 |
| didrocks | seb128: I agree too, staying at 2.28 seems fine for an LTS | 17:31 |
| chrisccoulson | i think we've probably already got plenty of bugs to start working on, without introducing lots of new ones | 17:31 |
| didrocks | (we can use the same flag "too many changes" than the one for evolution) | 17:31 |
| seb128 | right, that's one way to see it | 17:31 |
| seb128 | the other way is that the version you use is deprecated and upstream will not fix bugs on it | 17:31 |
| seb128 | and some people might want to use the lts to hack and need an uptodate platform | 17:32 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's true too | 17:32 |
| chrisccoulson | it's a difficult choice really | 17:32 |
| seb128 | I will put it in the desktop team ppa now I think | 17:32 |
| seb128 | and ask for testing | 17:32 |
| didrocks | good idea | 17:33 |
| pitti | that'd be nice | 17:33 |
| seb128 | and we can upload next week or decide against | 17:33 |
| pitti | then I can test it on my amd64 laptop as well, with ssh and everything | 17:33 |
| seb128 | thanks everybody | 17:33 |
| * didrocks adds "test heavily gnome-keyring from ppa" as next week task :) | 17:33 | |
| seb128 | should I use ubuntu-desktop ppa for that? | 17:35 |
| seb128 | or use a gnome-keyring ppa there? | 17:35 |
| ccheney | pitti: not yet, no | 17:38 |
| ccheney | pitti: i'm not even sure if it is still going to be produced as 3.3 is expected by around June | 17:39 |
| ccheney | pitti: there are only two bugs on 3.2.1 currently so if they decide to release it could be pretty quick | 17:39 |
| ccheney | pitti: 3.2.0 was officially released yesterday | 17:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: there is a gnome-keyring ppa? maybe ubuntu-desktop is better, no? (to make it "more official about what we want to test/integrate") | 17:42 |
| ccheney | pitti: it looks like ooo-build and debian aren't caught up with yesterdays release yet though, but probably will be by early next week | 17:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, but you can create different ppas, I was pondering using the default ubuntu-desktop one or a subone named gnome-keyring still under ubuntu-desktop | 17:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh ok, I have no strong opinion if a new ppa is needed :) | 17:43 |
| kenvandine | whew... had to fsck / from a livecd again | 17:48 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, i had to do that a couple of days ago too | 17:48 |
| kenvandine | happened to me last week as well | 17:49 |
| chrisccoulson | eeeeek, not good | 17:49 |
| kenvandine | yeah... time to shop for a drive | 17:49 |
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| kenvandine | or re-install for real | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | this is a ext4 filesystem that was created by jaunty alpha1 | 17:50 |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, this is a brand new install and it breaks too | 17:51 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't remember what the error was when it broke, as it remounted read-only | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | same here | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | well there is no error | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | both times it happened while the screen was locked | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | trying to login on a VT just says it is mounted read-only | 17:53 |
| kenvandine | so no access to the errors | 17:53 |
| * kenvandine looks at the logs | 17:53 | |
| chrisccoulson | kenvandine, i got a load of ext4 related errors at the end of dmesg, and the message telling me it had remounted read-only | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | but they don't get saved | 17:53 |
| chrisccoulson | as the volume was read-only ;) | 17:53 |
| kenvandine | oh sigh | 17:53 |
| seb128 | asac, pitti: bug #494549 is good to go? | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494549 in usbmuxd "usbmuxd required in main for libiphone" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494549 | 17:53 |
| seb128 | asac, pitti: we need to have those promoted now if we want the current libgpod to build | 17:54 |
| jjardon | Hello, seems that the yelp version shipped with lucid is the webkit branch, but this is not a officially supported branch, Is this intentional? | 18:01 |
| Nafai | So what's the best way to handle when you upgrade things like indicator applet and such without having to log out and back in? | 18:04 |
| Nafai | just kill the process and let the panel re-load it? | 18:06 |
| pitti | seb128, asac: it seems that the issues were addressed | 18:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, there is a new upstream version available I will upload it so we get the fixes in lucid | 18:06 |
| pitti | promoted | 18:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 18:07 |
| pitti | ccheney: "two bugs on 3.2.1" -> that is, to bugs in 3.2.0 which are regressions and to be addressed? | 18:07 |
| pitti | ccheney: that'd be pretty good | 18:07 |
| ccheney | pitti: there are two targeted bugs for 3.2.1 which would be what would block its release if they decide to make it | 18:09 |
| ccheney | pitti: of course as new major bugs are found the count will go up but not bad so far | 18:10 |
| * pitti waves goodnight | 18:33 | |
| didrocks | dinner time, bbl :) | 18:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, enjoy | 18:41 |
| seb128 | pedro_, gvfs seems to have quite some crashes duplicates if you want to clean it one day | 18:56 |
| pedro_ | seb128, will have a look into it | 18:57 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 18:57 |
| seb128 | pedro_, btw how did the pitivi bug day go? | 18:57 |
| pedro_ | my pleasure ;-) | 18:57 |
| pedro_ | seb128, pretty fine! the product is looking very clean | 18:58 |
| pedro_ | we also had some input from the pitivi folks so now it's just time to wait for the reporters feedback on what we did | 18:58 |
| seb128 | nice | 18:58 |
| pedro_ | no major issues though, just little annoyances with gstreamer crashing in the middle while you're editing something and things like that | 18:59 |
| seb128 | I should open a bug at some point, pitivi seems to just do nothing on the video I tried | 18:59 |
| seb128 | it the bar at the bottom doesn't get signal etc | 18:59 |
| rickspencer3 | hey kenvandine ... I'm looking for some sample code for exporting a dbus service in a real app | 19:03 |
| rickspencer3 | do you know off hand where I should look in gwibber? | 19:04 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, dispatcher.py | 19:06 |
| kenvandine | gwibber/microblog/dispatcher.py | 19:06 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks kenvandine | 19:06 |
| kenvandine | np | 19:06 |
| asac | pitti: seb128: ack. thx. fine if we have the new upstream (or are sure we will get them) | 19:10 |
| Nafai | kenvandine: Did you see my gwibber bug? :) | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | Nafai, not yet | 19:11 |
| Nafai | not high priority, I filed it a couple days ago. can't get stuff from friendfeed | 19:11 |
| kenvandine | ? | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | bug number please? | 19:12 |
| * kenvandine doesn't have it in bug folder | 19:12 | |
| Nafai | just a sec | 19:12 |
| Nafai | 520537 | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | thx | 19:12 |
| Nafai | np | 19:12 |
| kenvandine | bug 520537 | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 520537 in gwibber "Cannot load a FriendFeed account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520537 | 19:12 |
| Nafai | ah, I'll be sure to write bug before it next time ;) | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | Nafai, we might not fix it until after feature freeze :) | 19:13 |
| Nafai | that's fine | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | Nafai, nifty huh? | 19:13 |
| kenvandine | :) | 19:13 |
| Nafai | twitter and facebook work better for me | 19:13 |
| Nafai | rather, are more important | 19:13 |
| Nafai | :) | 19:13 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, what version of telepathy-gabble shall we deliver in Lucid? | 20:17 |
| kenvandine | we should talk to upstream | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, ^^ | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | opinions? | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | it would be nice to ship with the facebook chat feature :) | 20:19 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, tbh, I'm sitting next to eeejay right now | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | haha | 20:19 |
| rickspencer3 | eeejay is thinking that maybe there is a good reason we are still on .8 | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | oh... well .9 is the unstable series | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | is .10 planned soon? | 20:20 |
| kenvandine | or soon enough for lucid? | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, dunno | 20:23 |
| rickspencer3 | prolly not it sounds like | 20:23 |
| kenvandine | cassidy, ^^ | 20:23 |
| eeejay | the facebook thingie will be in lucid no matter what | 20:26 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, we are using what cassidy recommended when I ask him about what we should use... | 20:28 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, okay, cool | 20:28 |
| seb128 | when I asked | 20:28 |
| seb128 | rather | 20:28 |
| seb128 | I'm happy to revisit that if they come with a new stable serie | 20:28 |
| rickspencer3 | me and eeejay are just trying to get some tubey pythony code working | 20:28 |
| rickspencer3 | and just want to make sure we are hacking with the versions intended to land in lucid | 20:29 |
| rickspencer3 | (and that we both have the same versions ;) ) | 20:29 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks seb128 | 20:29 |
| seb128 | np | 20:29 |
| lool | seb128: O'm dedicating this special upload for you, have a good weed-end ;-) | 20:31 |
| lool | s/O/I | 20:31 |
| seb128 | waouh | 20:31 |
| seb128 | lool did fix the gtk bug | 20:31 |
| seb128 | and updated valgrind | 20:31 |
| seb128 | lool, you made my end of week ;-) | 20:31 |
| seb128 | lool, enjoy your weekend! | 20:32 |
| lool | you too! | 20:32 |
| * seb128 hugs lool | 20:32 | |
| jcastro | hey chrisccoulson you were handling g-p-m with app indicators right? | 22:54 |
| * didrocks has finished to triaged all UNE bugs for the last 1 year and half \o/ | 23:45 | |
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