[02:59] <Durp> hi
[03:00] <Durp> I think there is a problem with my ban
[03:36] <Durp> Can anyone assist me?
[04:28] <bazhang> Durp, hi
[04:28] <bazhang> Durp, banned in what channel
[04:28] <Durp> hey
[04:28] <Durp> I am supposed to be banned in ubuntu, but for some reason I can get in
[04:29] <Durp> I thought maybe my ip address changed
[04:29] <bazhang> Durp, hang on a second, let me check; was this using the same nickname?
[04:29] <Durp> hmm, no I can't remember what nickname it was
[04:30] <Durp> I was banned for mentioning 'orgy'
[04:30] <Durp> and then being unrepentent, and continuing to message it
[04:33] <bazhang> Durp, dont see any listings for you; please take a moment to read the code of conduct and guidelines though please
[04:33] <bazhang> !coc
[04:33] <bazhang> !guidelines
[04:34] <Durp> I didn't repent or read the CoC again, so I was kind of surprised. I thought maybe the ban got lifted by mistake and had to be updated
[04:34] <bazhang> well please dont repeat that behaviour in the future and take a moment to read them both now, if you would.
[04:35] <Durp> wow, ok, cool
[04:36] <Durp> this is funny, you ban me when I feel it is unjustified, and unban me when I think i deserve it, haha
[04:36] <Durp> I guess I should stop messaging 'orgy' to maco every few weeks
[04:36] <bazhang> well we appreciate you coming forward and talking about it here; obviously you know that kind of behaviour shouldn't be repeated
[04:38] <bazhang> that is something you don't want to do, to any user. more than a ban in a channel would be the likely result
[04:39] <Durp> OK, since I am curious, could you elaborate on what more than a ban can be done?
[04:40] <Durp> I'm not doing it any more anyways, it's just to satisfy my curiosity
[04:51] <bazhang> Durp, markypants and / or muddleworth I am guessing, though there are no outstanding bans that I can see in #ubuntu
[04:53] <Durp> hmm it might have been draco1234
[04:53] <Durp> it was hard to track down on the logs
[04:54] <bazhang> Durp, yep I see that, and it has been removed.
[04:56] <Durp> ok so anyways, were you suggesting you would send an ubuntu virus to me and make my computer overheat?
[04:57] <bazhang> hmm? No, not that there is an Ubuntu virus anyways.
[04:57] <Seeker`> the people that run the network don't look too kindly on people spamming messages to other users
[04:57] <Durp> I am referring to the statement "more than a ban in a channel would be the likely result"
[04:58] <bazhang> oh, that was a reference to freenode staff getting involved, should it be something involving multiple channel disturbances and multiple unsolicited PMs harassing said users
[04:59] <Durp> oh so it would still be a ban, just from the server instead of a channel
[04:59] <bazhang> but as your ban has been removed, and you have moved on, knowing the channel guidelines and code of conduct
[04:59] <bazhang> yep
[05:00] <Durp> ok gotcha
[05:10] <Durp> thanks
[05:39] <Linux-CLI> hi
[05:39] <Linux-CLI> How do I make the following command list in reverse order? - find "$PWD" -follow -type f | sed -e "s|.|File:\t|"
[05:39] <bazhang> Linux-CLI, this is not #ubuntu
[05:39] <bazhang> whoops
[05:45] <rumpsy> May i know why i'm banned from #ubuntu
[05:45] <rumpsy> i can't join in #ubuntu'
[05:46] <rumpsy> Except this channel i can able to join many other, what's the problem with this channel and me
[05:50] <rumpsy> !ops
[05:52] <mneptok> rumpsy: stand by
[05:52] <mneptok> @login
[05:53] <rumpsy> mneptok: k . . i wait
[05:53] <bazhang> rumpsy, please dont keep calling ops in various channels
[05:53] <Amaranth> rumpsy: Because your regular IRC client is on a network with a router that is exploitable so the bot is forwarding you to #ubuntu-read-topic to fix it
[05:54] <rumpsy> No, it says, i'm banned, +b
[05:54] <mneptok> rumpsy: yes. you are banned. for the reason Amaranth told you.
[05:55] <mneptok> rumpsy: read the /topic in #ubuntu-read-topic and follow the instructions
[05:55] <Amaranth> Yeah, Floodbot apparently hasn't been updated for the new ircd
[05:55] <Amaranth> Either that or freenode webchat ignore forwards
[05:56] <rumpsy> Even i'm not forwarded to this channel, #ubuntu-read-topic
[05:56] <rumpsy> lemme join there now
[05:57] <Amaranth> Are you not at home right now?
[05:57] <Amaranth> You really need to fix the issue #ubuntu-read-topic tells you about on your home network otherwise you'll end up banned again.
[05:57] <rumpsy> This is office, and am in #ubuntu-read-topic..
[05:58] <rumpsy> test me, is not working..
[05:58] <Amaranth> That's because you aren't on the same connection as when you were banned
[05:59] <rumpsy> o_O
[05:59] <Amaranth> mneptok, bazhang: Should we let him in for now as long as he fixes the problem when he gets home?
[06:00] <rumpsy> i think i'm in port 6667 via freenode
[06:00] <rumpsy> am i?
[06:00] <Amaranth> Well right now you're using freenode webchat which doesn't have the problem.
[06:00] <rumpsy> oh
[06:00] <Amaranth> Once you get home you either need to update your router or start connecting to port 8001 instead.
[06:00] <bazhang> according to bansearch all gateway users are banned
[06:01] <Amaranth> hmm, when did that happen?
[06:01] <rumpsy> i donno
[06:01] <bazhang>  *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users
[06:01] <rumpsy> wait lemme check via chatzilla
[06:01] <rumpsy> brb
[06:01] <bazhang> June 8th last year
[06:02] <Amaranth> Could have sworn we were letting webchat folks in. Oh well
[06:03] <Amaranth> rumpsy: Chatzilla connecting to port 8001 would be perfect
[06:03] <mneptok> rumpsy: it seems you are now connecting from the IP range that was banned because of the vulnerability
[06:03] <rumpsy> mneptok: ya.. you are right
[06:04] <Amaranth> bazhang: bansearch also shows bans for webchat users as recently as last week
[06:04] <mneptok> rumpsy: who controls that router?
[06:04] <rumpsy> mneptok: my admin...
[06:04] <Amaranth> mneptok: It seems a lot of routers never got an update for it anyway
[06:04] <bazhang> sorry April 2008
[06:04] <mneptok> rumpsy: tell the admin to check for new router firmware, as the present firmware is subject to a know vulnerability
[06:04] <Amaranth> Easier to just connect to port 8001 so you know you're fine no matter what router you connect to
[06:05] <mneptok> rumpsy: and until the admin fixes it, connect via port 8001
[06:05] <rumpsy> oh, okay
[06:05] <rumpsy> so , what's port of webchat.freenode.net?
[06:05] <rumpsy> 6667?
[06:06] <rumpsy> if its 8001, why i'm not?
[06:06] <Amaranth> rumpsy: you want chatzilla to connect to chat.freenode.net port 8001
[06:06] <Amaranth> rumpsy: webchat is banned for other reasons
[06:07] <rumpsy> Amaranth: okay.. :) fine
[06:08] <rumpsy> if you don't mind, could you please tell me, where can i get those info...
[06:11] <mneptok> what info?
[06:23] <tsimpson> Amaranth: webchat is not banned, it's forwarded
[06:24] <Amaranth> tsimpson: webchat appears to ignore forwards
[06:24] <tsimpson> it does not
[06:24] <tsimpson> I used it a week ago just fine
[06:25] <ikonia> ahhh love it panarchy trying to ban dodge by changing his ip - got him covered though 03:47 -!- Linux-CLI [~Linux-CLI@123.208.239.164] has joined #ubuntu-ops then 05:39 -!- Linux-CLI [~GetLost@CPE-121-209-170-59.msxz1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has
[06:28] <tsimpson> and a client can't really ignore a forward, you automatically join the forwarded channel
[06:28] <ikonia> I know
[06:28] <tsimpson> the only difference is you get a 470 message before joining
[06:34] <Amaranth> tsimpson: I just tried webchat, it simply told me I was banned
[06:34] <Amaranth> tsimpson: so either the forward syntax has changed or webchat automatically sets the mode to ignore forwards
[06:39] <tsimpson> something strange with the migration, removing the forward and setting it again fixes it
[06:45] <rumpsy> Amaranth: i tried everywhere, for this type of modem wa300g4 there is no frimware update
[06:46] <rumpsy> I hate this brand, "Utstarcom"
[06:46] <rumpsy> if i find, i can suggest to my admin
[07:00] <mneptok> rumpsy: until then, use port 8001 to connect
[07:01] <rumpsy> k . .
[07:10] <mneptok> rumpsy: if you don't need anything else, this channel has a no-idle policy
[07:27] <mneptok> rumpsy: please do not idle in this channel
[07:51] <Mamarok> he is still around...
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[09:56] <Myrtti> tomaw: also did notice spam like Amantha at #ubuntu-women
[09:56] <Myrtti> (mclovin)
[09:56] <tomaw> Myrtti: ah, I wasn't keeping an eye on that channel
[09:57] <Myrtti> third occurance apparently, and their all doing it from Barbadosian ip addresses
[10:25] <Myrtti> idiots, they hurt my head
[10:26] <Myrtti> I have to give all the credit to the staff, I'm thinking I'm losing my sanity looking at #freenode. how can you do it day after day?
[10:26] <MenZa> heh
[11:06] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ever noticed they are not active there long time at once? (;
[14:34]  * genii sips
[14:50] <Myrtti> !away > shadenzo
[14:53] <jpds> ladiladila.
[14:53] <jpds> Looks like more Guadalinux people.
[15:11] <Mamarok> why don't you set the topic to "this channel is *not* in Spanish" in Spanish?
[15:12] <Myrtti> since when has anyone read topics?
[15:12] <Mamarok> true, that :(
[15:12] <Mamarok> or force the Guadalinex guys to set the #ubuntu-es as default
[15:12] <Myrtti> that's on the works, won't happen in an instant though
[15:39] <MenZa> Mamarok: They should be forced to not to refer to #ubuntu as an official Guada support ressource.
[15:40] <genii> Is Guadalinex some *buntu-based distribution?
[15:40] <genii> Guadalinux, rather
[15:41] <ikonia> I've never heard of it until a few lines above
[15:41] <Myrtti> genii: guadalinEx
[15:41] <Myrtti> yes.
[15:41] <Myrtti> it is
[15:42] <genii> Interesting
[15:46] <Mamarok> genii: and it exists since ages, I met the leader of the project at UDS in Paris, the local government of Andalucia is behind it
[15:46] <Mamarok> and UDS Paris was like... a very long time ago :)
[15:47] <Myrtti> I heard about it in 2006
[15:47] <Myrtti> I have the business card of one of the primus motors
[15:47] <Mamarok> Alberto da Cala IIRC
[15:48] <Pici> I think I might have a copy of it
[15:48] <Myrtti> antonio jose saenz albanes
[15:49]  * MenZa thinks
[15:49] <Pici> Perhaps the !lista people are from a similar Italian distro
[15:49] <Mamarok> I even have a light blue T-shirt that says Guadelinex
[15:49] <Mamarok> it's just a lot too small for me :)
[15:49] <MenZa> Well, one way of grabbing *some* users would be to do a quick check of the hostmask to determine if the tld in it is .es :p
[15:49] <MenZa> Speaking of, here's another one.
[16:35] <Seeker`> nalioth: ping
[17:17] <Herpies> all u motherfuckers are going to pay you are the ones who fuck your laptops. I am going to fuck you computer while you watch and cry like little whiney bitchesall u motherfuckers are going to pay you are the ones who fuck your laptops. I am going to fuck you computer while you watch and cry like little whiney bitchesall u motherfuckers are going to pay you are the ones who fuck your laptops. I am going to fuck you computer while you watch and cry like
[17:17] <Herpies> EFNET IS GOD
[17:17] <Myrtti> how charming.
[17:18] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I am, always
[18:13] <genii> Hopefully they don't live up to their nickname and become the gift that keep on giving
[18:59] <alienkid10> test me wouldn't work
[18:59] <alienkid10> can someone test me?
[19:00] <Pici> alienkid10: I don't see a ban set for you.
[19:00] <alienkid10> ok
[19:00] <Pici> alienkid10: Can you try joining #ubuntu ?
[19:00] <alienkid10> sure
[19:00] <alienkid10> works
[19:01] <Pici> alienkid10: How did you get into #ubuntu-read-topic ?
[19:01] <alienkid10> no clue
[19:01] <alienkid10> I tried joining #ubuntu ad it dropped me there
[19:01] <alienkid10> *and
[19:02] <alienkid10> should I leave this chan now?
[19:02] <Pici> alienkid10: Weird.  Yes, if you have no further business.
[19:29] <ikonia> checking if  is ban dodging in ubuntu
[19:29] <Pici> who?
[19:29] <ikonia> mkanyicy
[19:29] <ikonia> I think he is
[19:30] <ikonia> ubottu is responding........slow
[19:30] <ikonia> oh Tm_T removed it
[19:35] <Tm_T> what when
[19:36] <ikonia> not to worry
[19:36] <ikonia> just removed a ban
[19:36] <Tm_T> (:
[19:37] <Tm_T> I can remove all bans again...
[19:46] <Pici> /csremove mneptok you should know better
[19:46] <mneptok> Pici: paste buffer fail. i *hate* the non-persistent buffer in Linux DEs.
[19:49] <topyli> primary selection? i find it very useful
[19:50] <Tm_T> Klipper is my friend
[19:52] <Tm_T> google is not
[19:55] <jussi01> klipper rocks
[19:59] <ikonia> PancakeStaffer: serve them up
[20:01] <PancakeStaffer> ikonia: That'd be WaitressStaffer
[20:01] <ikonia> ah
[20:01] <ikonia> cook them up ?
[20:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, I just wanted to get a few more opinions with a question. No problem, but it'd be great to get another opinion or two. The question: Is it okay to ask if anyone needs help in the channel if the only things going on are questions currently being asked? I have a couple points why I think it's okay, but I understand if I shouldn't ask said question.
[20:15] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: my point to you in my private message is that you ask a lot "hey any one needs questions asking" as you can see people in the channel are asking questions, they don't need prompting, it's a busy channel and fishing for more questions isn't helpful
[20:15] <jussi01> SpaceGhostC2C: generally Id say its never right to ask that - especially if its in #ubuntu. if peole need help, they ask. thats why the channel is there and if you ask that it just adds to the channle traffic
[20:20] <SpaceGhostC2C> Even if there aren't any new questions being asked? My personal experience, as unimportant it may be to you, is that many users have reasked their questions, and when they are frusterated, as they often get, they rephrase their question and ask again. I guess if one line is too much chatter for you, I understand those sensitivities.
[20:20] <ikonia> it's not sensitives
[20:20] <ikonia> and it's not one line
[20:20] <ikonia> you ask a lot
[20:20] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, the way you worded your initial response was somewhat offensive.
[20:20] <ikonia> really ?
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can I get some time stamps of messages, showing how often it is?
[20:21] <ikonia> really ???
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> just the quoted part.
[20:21] <ikonia> you want to walk down this path
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> if you don't want to, that's cool. It's nothing personal.
[20:21] <ikonia> the logs are public
[20:21] <ikonia> you're welcome to trawl the logs looking for it
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> Just letting you know the way you decided to quote me was offensive.
[20:21] <ikonia> the fact that I've noticed it
[20:21] <ikonia> I decided to quote you is offensive ???
[20:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> you're the one stating that I "ask it a lot"
[20:22] <ikonia> yes I did
[20:22] <ikonia> I didn't say you said you asked a lot
[20:22] <ikonia> I said you asked a lot
[20:22] <jussi01> SpaceGhostC2C: in any case, I dont think its useful at all.
[20:22] <ikonia> hence why I mention it
[20:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, you didn't quote me word for word
[20:22] <ikonia> I didn't quote you at all
[20:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, well then you made me sound like an idiot for no reason bud. It's fine, just letting you know I was offended.
[20:23] <ikonia> I didn't make you sound like an idiot
[20:23] <ikonia> I responded to you stating it's "sensitive" - which it's not, and it's one line, it's not
[20:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> As per the logs, you're the one claiming I asked my question a lot, shouldn't you be the one to back up what you say?
[20:24] <ikonia> you came in here and wanted other opinions, you got them
[20:24] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I don't have to back it up, I was simpley asking you to stop
[20:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> This was my single line question : "<SpaceGhostC2C> Hello. Anyone need some help."
[20:24] <jussi01> ok, can we move on? I think we have established that it shouldnt be done, so lets leave it?
[20:24] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it's not single - you do it a lot
[20:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, I'd like to see some proof and timestamps.
[20:24] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: the logs are public
[20:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> a lot as in over a few hours?
[20:24] <ikonia> I'm not tracking you
[20:25] <ikonia> the fact that I've noticed it means it happens more than I'd expect
[20:25] <ikonia> I'm not tracking individual events
[20:25] <ikonia> bottom line is - it's not needed
[20:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, so you state something as fact and just don't back it up with proof. Just you noticing over a few days doesn't mean it's a lot.
[20:25] <ikonia> please don't do it
[20:25] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: ok - lets do it this way
[20:25] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: you've been told not to do it - don't do it
[20:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, I'm not talking about permission to do it.
[20:26] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: - don't do it, disucssion done
[20:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> I already found my answer. I'm just saying, you're claiming I do something a lot, but aren't willing to prove it.
[20:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> Often, maybe.
[20:26] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I'm not willing to twal through logs, because I've seen it happen "more time than I would like" so I spoke to you about it
[20:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> I doubt it could be seen as spam.
[20:26] <ikonia> it's not spam
[20:26] <ikonia> I didn't say it was
[20:26] <ikonia> stop trying to make something out of me asking you to stop
[20:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> So it comes down to personal preference. Got it. Thanks, I have my answer. No offense meant ikonia, just learning how things really work around here.
[20:28] <ikonia> no-offense meant - nonsense
[20:30] <Pici> ikonia: probably best to just let it go
[20:30] <Pici> re -offtopic
[20:31] <ikonia> no, I'm fed up of people being able to say what they want about people in public
[20:31] <ikonia> yes, I've pulled him up on it now and if it continues he'll be removed
[20:32] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: what's up ?
[20:32] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, after this discussion, I was in offtopic and all I said was, "<SpaceGhostC2C> Sillly ops. Whatever. Hey funkyHat got something funny for me to laugh at?"
[20:32] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: yes
[20:33] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can I get another op or two? With just ikonia here it's like I'm wasting my time.
 SpaceGhostC2C: why silly ops ?
 ikonia, it's my silly opinion. Please don't read into it, I'm not going to divulge anymore of my opinion. Thanks.
[20:33] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: would you like it if I joined #ubuntu-offtopic and said "stupid spaceghosts, hey anyone got something to distract me"
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> Obviously I'm just venting a bit, but in a safe way. I even moved on after the initial comment
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, so, calling someone silly == stupid?
[20:34] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it's not safe at all
[20:34] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: yes it is
[20:34] <ikonia> are you saying the decisiosn made by the operators are silly ?
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> Oh wow. Seriously can I get another op?
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, It seems we have a language barrier.
[20:34] <ikonia> no, I speak english very well
[20:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> obviously. I'll just wait for another op to help me.
[20:35] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: there was zero need to pass any comment
[20:35] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: if you have a problem with the ops decision we are happy to discuss it futher, but joining #ubuntu-offtopic and making comments about it is not helpful
[20:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, it was offtopic, I can talk about it there. Tell me where I broke any rule.
[20:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> A single comment, I said you were silly. Oh my god, I'm so sorry I offended you.
[20:36] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's a conflict of interest talking to you here ikonia. I'll wait for another op.
[20:36] <ikonia> it's not a conflict of interest
[20:36] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: if you have a problem with an operator decision you're free to discuss it with us
[20:36] <Pici> I'd just like to mention that making any commentary about operator decisions in other channels invites people to start talking about it.
[20:36] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: not join #ubuntu-offtopic and make comments about it
[20:37] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pici, it was a single comment saying, "silly ops."
[20:37] <SpaceGhostC2C> It wasn't even the whole of the line.
[20:37] <ikonia> then don't make any comment
[20:37] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: and ikonia responded, but it could very well have been any other of our regular users.  I think we should just move on at this point, though.
[20:38] <Pici> Both of you are a bit on edge./
[20:38] <ikonia> agreed
[20:38] <SpaceGhostC2C> I guess ops may be held to different standards, but I'm just not sure about where those statnads are above or below others. I only want ikonia to not follow me about spanking me on everything I might do that doesn't make him happy.
[20:38] <ikonia> I'm in the channel, not following you
[20:39] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: Understood.
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia is more than just a ubuntu op, right?
[20:39] <ikonia> I was in it before you join, I'm an op in the channel,
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, I know. I'm calling you a stalker, I'm saying you're personally involved.
[20:39] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: Thats a bit harsh.
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> You must miss a lot of other things and decide to focus in on that.
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm not*
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> I totally missed the not!
[20:39] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I would say the same to anyone disucssing -ops
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> Sorry.
[20:39] <ikonia> I knew you meant not
[20:40] <Pici> oops.
[20:40] <ikonia> I have said the same to others in the past
[20:40] <SpaceGhostC2C> So, now I can't have any opinion. Great.
[20:40] <ikonia> you can
[20:40] <ikonia> opinion is fine and if you disagree, you're welcome to talk to us about it, I personally don't make the right decision all the time
[20:40] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's not like I started a flame war. I just made light of a situation so my nerves don't get too tight.
[20:40] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it invites others to discuss it
[20:40] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it undermines decisions
[20:41] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, the decision never made me upset. It was the fact stating without being willing to provide a fact. I mean, we are human, sorry I don't have a punching bag to take out a bit of frustration on.
[20:41] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: And us ops go to -offtopic to relax, so we're not really following anyone around, or looking out for behavior from people we just spoke with.
[20:42] <Pici> But when we see it, its not something that we can easily ignore, we're not picking on you, just happening to notice it.
[20:42] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pici, it is just my opinon, I knew he was in the channel. I figured that he wouldn't be that anal about it if I made a non-descript comment about it. Just blowing off steam, not starting a fight or anything. I had moved on completely. Talking to some other users who tend to say funny things.
[20:43] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pici, <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: then don't make your comments in public
[20:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> That obviously isn't the best way to go about saying not to say anything negative with the word op in it. He was personally involved and was ruder than he should have been.
[20:44] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: -offtopic does not exist for you to vent your frustrations with Ubuntu ops. that's for this channel.
[20:44] <ikonia> I was not rude in the slightest
[20:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok, I wasn't venting frusterations. I said silly ops.
[20:44] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: you said you where venting earlier ?
[20:44] <mneptok> 13:34 < SpaceGhostC2C> Obviously I'm just venting a bit, but in a safe way.
[20:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, not my frusterations, I was venting.
[20:45] <Pici> Gentlemen, I think this has progressed far enough.
[20:45] <ikonia> I would agree
[20:45] <SpaceGhostC2C> I would too.
[20:45] <Pici> No point in beating a dead horse.
[20:45] <Pici> or something.
[20:45] <SpaceGhostC2C> It was just my opinion that, for an op, he got a bit too personal about things. Just my opinion.
[20:46] <Pici> Everyone is welcome to their own opinions :)
[20:46] <ikonia> I'm out - I'm fed up of being accused of things
[20:46] <topyli> let's go back to -ot and concentrate on lolcat links please
[20:46] <ikonia> offensive, rude, personal, miss-quoting
[20:46] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli, has anyone posted any? I asked for some.
[20:46] <topyli> you first!
[20:47] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, it's subjective. I felt that it was those things, doesn't mean they are. I'm not important enough to cause a stir. You're still epic ikonia, I just got offended and wanted to talk it out and explain my side.
[20:48] <SpaceGhostC2C> Speaking of talking op problems to offtopic, semitones is talking about me talking to you.
[20:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli, My scrolling stopped. The channel looked dead until I scrolled down.
[20:49] <Myrtti> SpaceGhostC2C: and he's not anymore
[20:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> So, I say something, and I get talked to. But not him? Not even not to let him know in the future?
[20:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hmm, whatever. I'll drop it. Have a good day.
[20:56] <Tm_T> free hugs to everyone!
[20:59] <topyli> llua in pm, i'm trying to convince him to change the quit message (currently "NIGGA"). no response yet
[21:00] <Myrtti> oh dear
[21:04] <topyli> banned
[21:04] <Tm_T> forward or not?
[21:04] <topyli> crap
[21:05] <topyli> no forward
[21:06] <topyli> i wonder if that worked :\
[21:07] <Myrtti> did you want it or not?
[21:07] <Myrtti> I can do it for you if you want a forward
[21:07] <topyli> i tried to set the forward after the fact
[21:07] <Myrtti> to this channel?
[21:08] <topyli> yes
[21:08] <Myrtti> do you want me to put it on #ubuntu too?
[21:08] <topyli> yeah, the problem is going to be the same there
[21:09] <topyli> @mark llua #ubuntu-offtopic has an offensive quit message, ban can be removed after message is changed
[21:09] <Myrtti> thank you
[21:10] <topyli> thank *you* for fixing my incompetent banning :)
[21:11] <Myrtti> I looked it up specially today after #maemo had a person that excess flooded himself in and out ten times in two minutes
[21:11] <Myrtti> helped someone else to forward them off
[21:13] <topyli> ah. wanna share? :)
[21:14] <Myrtti> the old method had !#channel
[21:14] <Myrtti> new is $#channel
[21:14] <topyli> oh. *makes notes*
[21:37] <topyli> hi llua
[21:38] <llua> and you are?
[21:38] <Tm_T> hi llua, he is topyli
[21:38] <topyli> i'm topyli, i'm an operator on -offtopic
[21:38] <llua> k...
[21:38] <llua> why the highlight?
[21:39] <topyli> llua, you are forwarded here because you did not respond to my request for quit message change in pm
[21:39] <llua> and the point of the hightlight yet again.
[21:39] <topyli> i would like to repeat the request now, and require that you do it in order to let you back in to -offtopic
[21:45] <topyli> llua, if you don't feel like talking, i'm going to have to ask you to part this channel, as we don't allow idling (please read the topic)
[21:45] <topyli> if you feel like responding at a later time, feel free to join us here again
[21:45] <llua> highlight again...
[21:45] <llua> didnt you just say YOU redirected me?
[21:45] <llua> i didnt join
[21:46] <llua> was forced by you.
[21:46] <topyli> llua, yes, as this is where we can help you get your ban removed
[21:48] <Myrtti> you could start by changing your quit message
[21:54] <topyli> llua, since you're not interested, please part this channel now. come back when you feel like resolving the issue
[22:16] <Myrtti> ok, there's some MS comic chat idiocy going on in #freenode, and one already slipped in #ubuntu
[22:16] <Myrtti> keep your heads up
[22:17]  * ikonia raises his head
[22:17] <Myrtti> telltale sign is them saying "# Appears as <charactername>" right after they've joined channel
[22:17] <Myrtti> lieelow is first
[22:18] <Myrtti> highly annoying
[22:18] <ikonia> ahh I see it
[22:18] <Myrtti> I'm heading to bed via tooth scrub
[22:18] <ikonia> night
[22:19] <Myrtti> nini bunnywunnies ♥
[22:20] <ikonia> sleep well
[22:23] <Tm_T> good night Myrtti, have a good sleep
[22:44] <jussi01> ikonia: please put some background info on the background page for your item on the council agenda
[22:44] <ikonia> jussi01: ok
[22:48] <jussi01> bed time
[22:49] <ikonia> night to you too
[22:55] <ikonia> hello dabaR thank you for joining
[22:56] <dabaR> Look ikonia, I mean, honestly, although I am not an A-R guy, and will not "demand" an apology, I think you would be a greater person if you did apologize for acusing me of what you did acuse me of.
[22:56] <dabaR> Hello, and thank you for joining as well.
[22:56] <ikonia> I'm not going to apologise for anything
[22:56] <dabaR> I don't care.
[22:56] <dabaR> Like I said, I am not gonna demand it.
[22:56] <ikonia> I'm asking you, to please control the way you speak to people in #ubuntu a little better
[22:56] <dabaR> I just hope you will at least realize your mistake.
[22:57] <ikonia> I understand %100 that you didn't mean to be-little or be rude towards the person in question
[22:57] <ikonia> but asking people if they cry about fixing issues on there PC is not the way to communicate with people within #ubuntu channels
[22:57] <dabaR> Nonono
[22:57] <dabaR> let me do a little paste for you.
[22:57] <ikonia> he didn't take it offensivly so no harm done, but it would be helpful if you could just be thoughtful of it
[22:57] <dabaR> Since you don't seem to like to scroll
[22:58] <dabaR> 16:49 < Nozy> hmmm update to 9.10 from 9.04 am I going to cry =)
[22:58] <ikonia> I understand that
[22:58] <ikonia> I did see it
[22:58] <dabaR> 16:50 < dabaR> Nozy: Maybe, maybe not. Are you prone to crying when there are problems with your computer?
[22:58] <dabaR> Do you still think that was something rude?
[22:58] <ikonia> it can be seen as rude
[22:58] <dabaR> Or in any way inappropriate?
[22:58] <ikonia> thats why I contacted you in private to just ask you to tone it down a little
[22:58] <dabaR> No, you first started in the channel telling me I am rude, and what not
[22:58] <dabaR> Let me paste that for you too.
[22:59] <dabaR> 16:50 < ikonia> dabaR: stop it
[22:59] <ikonia> I %100 understand your intention wasn't bad
[22:59] <dabaR> 16:50 < ikonia> dabaR: the smart/be-littling problems
[22:59] <ikonia> dabaR: yes, as you'd made a comment earlier that spaceghost was a bit upset about, then moved onto the next guy
[22:59] <dabaR> Anyway, I don't really mind, but you were wrong.
[22:59] <ikonia> I told you to stop it to stop you doing it while I talked to you in pm
[22:59] <dabaR> I was right, I hope you understand.
[22:59] <ikonia> dabaR: if that's your attitdue you'll be removed from the channel as that is not acceptable
[22:59] <dabaR> I was giving the guy a compliment.
[23:00] <ikonia> he didn't take it as one
[23:00] <ikonia> which as I said, I understand wasn't your intention
[23:00] <ikonia> which is why I contacted you in private, just to ask you to tone it down a little
[23:00] <ikonia> I know you're not trying to be rude, no question
[23:00] <dabaR> You did not take my fine reply to nozy as a fine comment either, but I can not control what people misunderstand.
[23:01] <ikonia> I didn't see you say "fine" and I didn't say anything else in public after I asked you to stop
[23:01] <ikonia> it's not a problem, I'm just asking that you think a little harder before making fun comments
[23:01] <dabaR> ikonia: look, I was on #ubuntu when there were 40 users.
[23:01] <ikonia> that doens't matter
[23:01] <dabaR> You are the one that is disrispectful.
[23:01] <dabaR> s/i/e
[23:01] <ikonia> I'm not, as I'm asking you politley
[23:01] <dabaR> But that is OK, since you can't expect much better.
[23:02] <dabaR> Anyway, I made my point.
[23:02] <ikonia> dabaR: if you can just agree to control your comments there will be no problem
[23:02] <dabaR> I can also go on on my merry way
[23:02] <dabaR> Which is what I will do
[23:02] <ikonia> if you wish to leave the channels you're welcome to do so
[23:02] <dabaR> My comments are controlled already.
[23:02] <dabaR> I am also going to come back whenever I want as well.
[23:02] <ikonia> however if you could please agree to control your comments, it would be most appriciated
[23:02] <dabaR> I have signed the CoC.
[23:02] <ikonia> you're not banned - you're welcome any time
[23:03] <ikonia> you don't have to sign the coc
[23:03] <dabaR> I have
[23:03] <dabaR> Years ago
[23:03] <ikonia> it's not a requirement
[23:03] <ikonia> sorry, you said you have
[23:03] <ikonia> I thought you said you hadn't
[23:03] <dabaR> Right, so I am not going to agree to nothing here with you on your prompt.
[23:03] <ikonia> as long as you agree to the channel rules/coc it's not a problem
[23:04] <dabaR> I am going to suggest that if you don't like my behavior, and believe it is in discord with the CoC, you can take the usual process about it.
[23:04] <ikonia> which you have done by signing up, so no issue
[23:04] <ikonia> I have done
[23:04] <dabaR> Right.
[23:04] <ikonia> which is contact you
[23:04] <dabaR> True.
[23:04] <dabaR> OK, Anyway, sorry to give you a hard time.
[23:04] <dabaR> I wonder what made me do it!
[23:04] <ikonia> it's not an issue