[00:50] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: That's correct.  The thinking is that a new user could accidentally hit it, opening a terminal, and terminals are scary.
[03:11] <_diablo> mr_steve, hey, what's up?
[03:12] <mr_steve> _diablo, hey
[03:12] <mr_steve> just got home from school
[03:13] <_diablo> ouch. I got back around an hour ago
[03:27] <mr_steve> so _diablo, I probably won't be able to an ubuntu hour tomorrow, but I'm planning on next friday
[03:29] <_diablo> sounds good by me :)
[03:30] <mr_steve> I should be meeting with a couple buddies about some web site they want me to work on, so I'll scout another coffeeshop near the same area while I'm at it
[03:31] <mr_steve> and then once I have a location picked out, I'll be putting it on the website, as an every-other week thing I think
[03:31] <mr_steve> tonyyarusso, ^
[03:31] <mr_steve> I just don't want to add it until the location is determined
[03:49] <_diablo> yeah, I agree
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[04:05] <mr_steve> That said, I gotta go to bed in a most serious way. Class at 09:00.
[04:05] <_diablo> nn
[04:10] <Takyoji_> While I usually have to be at school at 8:10 am :P
[04:10] <Takyoji_> But luckily I don't have school tomorrow
[05:26] <Takyoji_> Didn't Skype release a library for the Skype protocol, so that a person could build a GUI on top of it?
[05:26] <Takyoji_> or integrate it
[05:27] <Takyoji_> That would actually be pretty nice if it was integrated into Pidgin or Empathy..
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> No, they released the GUI.
[05:28] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, but when you look at it, you can see how to integrate with the gui
[05:28] <Takyoji_> WOO http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/12/0158223/Facebook-Now-Supports-JabberXMPP
[05:28] <Takyoji_> And the villagers cheered in sheer joy!
[05:28] <_diablo> e.g. you can use skype chat in pidgin, but you have to have the program open as well
[05:29]  * Takyoji_ leaps with joy
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Bottom line:  Skype is still a proprietary protocol, so screw it.
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> (Not to mention the CIA appeasement and whatnot)
[05:29] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: Yes, WOO to that.  Although it's not federated, so muted woo.
[05:30] <Takyoji_> Meaning that isn't able to be used between servers, or?
[05:30] <tonyyarusso> Meaning that you can't use a GTalk account to chat with a Facebook user.
[05:31] <_diablo> correct
[05:35] <Takyoji_> Ahh
[05:43] <Takyoji_> Yay, Empathy fails to authorize
[05:44] <Takyoji_> Whether it be their server's implementation, or just the usual abnormal nature of Empathy
[05:56] <Takyoji_> and it's fun to think that authentication is handled using MD5
[05:56] <Takyoji_> and no TLS/SSL support
[05:58] <_diablo> ugh
[06:00] <Takyoji_> If I was a cryptologist, I'd just use ROT13 as encryption! :D
[06:00] <Takyoji_> [not]
[06:00] <Takyoji_> It'd be FLAWLESS
[06:01] <Takyoji_> :P
[06:01] <Takyoji_> How much processing overhead does TLS usually cause though?
[06:01] <Takyoji_> For like lets say 512-bit
[06:01] <Takyoji_> AES perhaps
[06:03] <Takyoji_> Oh stupid me, I was accidentally trying to create an account on the Facebook XMPP server
[06:53] <Takyoji_> Ooo fun, apparently work on mt-daapd ended like 2 years ago
[06:54] <tonyyarusso> Wait, really?
[06:55] <tonyyarusso> oh, I think I remember what replaced it - tangerine.
[06:57] <Takyoji_> Firefly is the new name for mt-daapd
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> https://edge.launchpad.net/tangerine/ - last release was in August.
[06:57] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji_: yeah, but Firefly hasn't been touched since 2008.
[06:57] <Takyoji_> ahh
[06:59] <Takyoji_> I just love the style of the GNOME iconset, or anything matching it's aesthetics norm
[16:31] <h00k> Are you guys doing anything planned yet for the Global Jam?
[16:32] <tonyyarusso> No?
[16:32]  * tonyyarusso doesn't even know when that is
[16:32] <tonyyarusso> I wonder what we would have the skills for.
[16:38] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I'll forward an email I got to the mailing list, if that's alright
[16:39] <tonyyarusso> h00k: sure.  Basically, "don't piss people off" is the rule of mailing lists :P
[18:26] <Takyoji> I wonder if OpenOffice 3.2 will be available in Lucid Lynx
[18:28] <_diablo> Takyoji, I hope so!
[18:28] <Takyoji> because I just have this feeling like it won't be available due some version freeze months ago or something
[18:29] <Takyoji> I just wish there was a simple method of installing a newer version of an application, rather than the main one associated with the distribution version.
[18:30] <_diablo> it's not hard.... I just did it in 10 minutes about a day ago
[18:31] <Takyoji> I know I've done it before; it just feels disorderly of installing from a PPA that doesn't even sign the packages
[18:32] <Takyoji> apparently as the new homepage screen for Firefox in the Lucid release: http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[18:33] <_diablo> and that's one of the many reasons why I won't be running Ubuntu on any of my machines after 9.10 fades
[19:05] <tonyyarusso> !info openoffice.org lucid
[19:05] <ubot3> openoffice.org: full-featured office productivity suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.1.1-5ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 5 kB, installed size 52 kB (Only available for armel i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 amd64 ia64 lpia ppc64 s390x sparc all arm)
[19:06] <tonyyarusso> oh yeah, ubot3 doesn't have lucid yet for some reason
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji, _diablo: openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): full-featured office productivity suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 4 kB, installed size 44  kB (Only available for armel i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 amd64 ia64 ppc64 s390x sparc hppa all arm)
[19:07] <mr_steve> yay fridays
[19:07] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: And all PPAs have package signing now.
[19:08] <tonyyarusso> _diablo: psssh, who actually uses the home page anyway?
[19:08] <Takyoji> done by Launchpad?
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: yup.
[19:09] <tonyyarusso> I believe the keys are per-PPA though.
[19:09] <mr_steve> Yep. per-PPA
[19:24] <_diablo> tonyyarusso, sigh. that's not the point I'm making and we all know it :)
[19:24] <_diablo> this argument has been hashed out in better places that here by better people than us.  We can agree to disagree ;)
[19:27] <_diablo> brb
[19:32] <Takyoji> When does Yahoo officially become Bing in some form?
[21:01] <Takyoji> Google Chrome seems to be under heavy fire of exploitation discovery it seems
[21:02] <Takyoji> Pretty much every time I check Secunia there's a slew of new vulnerabilities found