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[GuS]Torch: and is the only thing that works bad00:00
[GuS]others simbols like ñ are ok00:00
Torchoxymoron: i know what you mean. on the other hand, you should not have updated to 4.4 if you really want stability.00:00
rmrfslashi.e. you enter your uname/passwd, then when you hit enter it flips to some grey wallpaper with white bubbles on it. Looks a bit sloppy. Can I switch this? Is there some directory with wallpapers for the login process?00:00
Torchrmrfslash: there's a kdm theme and there's there's the login theme and there's the wallpaper you use for your user00:01
Torchrmrfslash: if all three match you get a "clean" look.00:01
Torchrmrfslash: if you upgraded from 4.3 chances are they don't match ;-900:01
rmrfslashSo I suppose I can configure this in Appearance Settings00:02
rmrfslashOK... in Manager for Splash Screen Themes if I click on Default and hit test theme... this is the splash screen I'm talking about00:03
rmrfslashit's inconsistent00:03
Torchrmrfslash: what do you mean?00:03
rmrfslashthe "thumbnail" shows something completely different00:03
Torchrmrfslash: then your install is maybe broken.00:04
oxymoronTorch: But KDE 4.3 was more unstable than 4.4 was so dont mock my decisions :P00:04
Torchoxymoron: hmm. 4.3 was rock stable for me the last six months.00:04
rmrfslashSystem Settings > Appearance > Splash Screen00:04
oxymoronTorch: Not for me.00:04
rmrfslashwdym it's broken00:04
Torchrmrfslash: alright, and default shows the 4.4 splash screen.00:04
oxymoronTorch: Crashes once here and there :P00:05
Torchrmrfslash: nothing inconsistant so far.00:05
rmrfslashno... shows 4.300:05
Torchrmrfslash: then you didn't properly upgrade to 4.,400:05
rmrfslashimpossible00:05
rmrfslashI used aptitude00:05
macintuxTouchfreeze doesn't work with my MacbookPro, It shows me typing/stop typing in konsole but does not stop the touchpad, though it will disable it if you check disable. Can someone help?00:05
rmrfslashit's not like I build 4.4 from source00:05
oxymoronTorch: I just wonder, is Kubuntu the best desktop environment for KDE? :P *buntu is good and widely accepted but wonder about other ones :P00:06
rmrfslashThis was a problem when I upgraded from 4.3.5 too, I had some blue bubbly splash screen00:06
rmrfslashnow it's grey00:06
rmrfslashthe actual login screen has the right "theme"00:07
rmrfslashthen it switches to the splash screen which is the wrong one00:07
rmrfslashit's not like this is a big deal, I could really give two sh*ts about a splash screen. just wondering if it's easy to fix00:07
rmrfslashif it's not then something is broke00:08
vbgunzrmrfslash: yeah you can change that00:10
vbgunzyou have a login screen. then you have the screen after you press enter (before) you get to your desktop00:10
rmrfslashRight now I'm poking around in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default00:10
rmrfslashsome of the resolutions have the right background00:10
vbgunzas someone mentioned before, if your login, splash and wallpaper matched and you can handle the fade to desktop on login effect, its pretty seamless00:11
rmrfslashone has a corrupt image it seems (can't load the file in gwenview)00:11
vbgunzrmrfslash: are you referring to seeing this bubble screen you speak of flash before your login screen?>00:11
rmrfslashthe one where the icons fade in: hard drive, networking, a couple others then the KDE logo00:12
rmrfslashthe splash screen that fades to the desktop00:12
rmrfslashthat's the one that's broke00:12
rmrfslashmy login screen is correct00:12
vbgunzgo to system settings > system > login manager00:12
vbgunzits in there00:12
rmrfslashmy wallpaper shouldn't mattert00:12
vbgunzyou can get new ones too00:12
vbgunzsorry rmrfslash, thats the kdm login screen you can mess with00:13
vbgunzthe splash is in appearance > splash screen00:14
rmrfslashI know00:14
rmrfslashthis is what I'm talking about00:14
rmrfslashnot the login screen00:14
rmrfslashthe splash screen00:14
rmrfslashwhen I click on Default and select "Test theme" it shows the wrong thing00:14
vbgunzyeah good stuff but you can change both to match each other and get a seamless looking login00:14
rmrfslashshows the one I see when I login00:14
vbgunzhmm00:14
rmrfslashwhicih is wrong00:15
rmrfslashit's some grey background w/ white bubbles00:15
vbgunzI had a problem of the default theme or wrong theme flashing before the actual login. I had not experienced your issue :(00:15
rmrfslashnow, when I go to  /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default00:15
Guest90325Air final update (plasma theme)   .....How to install blue theme  not black theme for kubuntu 9.1000:15
Torch(sorry, had some network problems with my hoster)00:15
rmrfslashI see a bunch of folders for different resolutions and some of them have the correct background.png00:15
vbgunzrmrfslash: I wouldn't know how to help you out. I am not sure about how it works. I am curious though. whats your resolution?00:16
rmrfslashwhen I try to open background.png for 1024x768 gwenview says it can't load the file00:16
Torchoxymoron: kubuntu is normally not considered to be in the top league for KDE. i still use it. other distros have other problems.00:16
rmrfslash1366 x 76800:16
Torch[01:07:32] <Torch> rmrfslash: what does this give you:  dpkg -l kdebase-workspace-data00:17
Torchrmrfslash: did this get though?00:17
rmrfslashmight be that there's no folder for my resolution00:17
Torchrmrfslash: it will downscale then00:17
rmrfslashii  kdebase-workspace-data      4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~pp00:18
vbgunzrmrfslash: not sure. really. was curious. I was and am at 1920x1080 and experienced a kdm bug similiar but not quite exact as yours00:18
vbgunzcould be the resolution if you feel like tinkering with it00:18
rmrfslashI can't open the 800x600 background.png either00:19
gorgonizerrmrfslash: I had a similar sounding issue, found that there were ksplash files lying around in /var/tmp/kdecache-[username]/ksplashx/00:19
rmrfslashgorgonizer: you might be right00:20
oxymoronTorch: Alright :) Well sometimes it seems other distros works, but I guess they have other serious problem instead :P00:20
rmrfslashthere's a file Default-1366x768-background.png and that's the image I see00:21
Torchoxymoron: opensuse is generally quoted as the "best" kde distro. it's okay, sure. but it has its own share of problems.00:21
rmrfslashI backed it up and deleted it00:21
oxymoronTorch: Dont misunderstand me though, I really have been migrating more and more too *buntu and KDE from Windows because it is really good :)00:21
rmrfslashlet me see now00:21
gorgonizerrmrfslash: if you remove that, you should get unified KDM theme/Ksplash/Wallpaper00:21
rmrfslashsweet00:21
oxymoronTorch: What problems has opensuse then?00:22
Torchoxymoron: it's rpm based. if you don't know what that means, good for you ;-)00:22
rmrfslashNope... that did it00:22
rmrfslashI didn't get an error, I got the right splash screen when I did the Test Theme again00:22
oxymoronTorch: It means its not debian based ... xD00:22
rmrfslash:)00:22
Torchoxymoron: also, it's branded to death. you can uninstall the branding, they even try to make that easy. problem is, if you do that. kdm theming breaks badly.00:22
gorgonizerrmrfslash: glad you got it working correctly :)00:23
rmrfslashI mean, the real question will be when I logout/login00:23
rmrfslashbut I figure that fixed it00:23
rmrfslashor at least those files were the issue00:23
gorgonizerI found that after I gt the Test working as I wanted, it worked on reboot :)00:23
rmrfslashgorgonizer: nice work brotha00:23
gorgonizerrmrfslash: glad to be of assistance :)00:24
rmrfslashI am fine tuning this installation.00:24
rmrfslashIt's so close to perfect... I can't imagine what else I need to fix00:24
rmrfslashI should work for Dell00:24
oxymoronTorch: Sighs ... I am the guy who wants an interesting and nice desktop with new features once in a while but without breaks on the way. I would rather wait one extra day to have it stable secured always before releasing packages.00:24
Torchoxymoron: don't get me wrong, opensuse is an important project and novell do a lot of important stuff for kde and the open source community. think suse studio, think the brilliant build service.00:24
gorgonizerstill getting used to the features added by 4.4 :)00:25
rmrfslashI got Kubuntu working on this laptop perfectly00:25
Torchoxymoron: kubuntu is fine for you then. don't upgrade kde in between kubuntu releases, though.00:25
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oxymoronTorch: Also I am curious, I like modern things :) I have been tried of Windows that never comes with something new ...00:25
rmrfslashright down to the last pixel00:25
oxymoron*tired00:25
gorgonizerI seem to have managed to get Nepomuk searches working as well, which is nice :)00:26
oxymoronTorch: Yeah, but I cant help my curiousity. If I know there is a new GOOD KDE version out there I want to test it :P00:26
rmrfslashYeah, after I installed Virtuoso my Nepomuk stopped complaining00:26
Torchoxymoron: that's understandable, but you really need to choose if you want stability or the latest-and-greatest ;-)00:27
oxymoronTorch: Alpha, Beta and Release Candidates is not stable I know, but why even bother release them if it does not work? :D00:27
Torchoxymoron: it's not so simple.00:27
Torchoxymoron: kde (i'm a dev) releases source code.00:27
rmrfslashThe only thing that doesn't work very well is hot-swap dual displays00:27
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oxymoronTorch: Why cant I have booth fresh and stable? :D00:27
Torchoxymoron: what kubuntu does with that source code is entirely up to them00:27
Torchoxymoron: they are very short on man power (who isn't). so packaging problems arise.00:28
oxymoronTorch: Its like my old mentor in web development said to me, choose between web development or web designing and then I decided to have both. One thing should not take out the other :P Security and Usability though is one thing you cannot escape, it is well synced and must be in balance :P00:29
rmrfslashand kwin effects are slow as balls00:29
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Torchoxymoron: that's all nice and true in theory and i agree with you. in practice, KDE is developed by many, many overworked people short on time and kubuntu is ran by another group of people short on time.00:29
Torchoxymoron: most of us aren't payed.00:30
rmrfslashoh come on, shuttleworth is paying them00:30
rmrfslashyou00:30
Torchrmrfslash: forget it.00:30
rmrfslashhahah00:30
rmrfslashI'm kidding00:30
rmrfslashI realize it's OSS00:30
rmrfslashbelieve me, I know what it's like00:30
Torchrmrfslash: novell pays quite a lot of KDE people.00:30
Torchrmrfslash: i don't think canonical pays any at all.00:31
rmrfslashCanonical is just support right?00:31
Torchrmrfslash: i don't know. ;-)00:31
rmrfslashheheh00:31
rmrfslashTorch: what do you do on the projecT?00:31
rmrfslashif I can ask that00:32
Torchrmrfslash: i couldn't care less about canonical, to be honest. i have nothing against them, but they don't play any major role anywhere as far as i can see.00:32
oxymoronTorch: People does a wonderful job itself though. I am sure developers for Kubuntu really gives it some love and effort. I think the problem is the competion of other distros and the rush all the time, the infrastructure and model flow inside the team could be better as well i guess even if its good for the moment I guess :) More protocols, standards and some kind of API and not chaos :P SHould be able to make *buntu modular so if00:32
oxymoronone developer break up lets say KDM it should not affect uhm Kwin :P00:32
Torchrmrfslash: i'm the author of KDE Partition Manager and contribute code and patches to the KDE core whenever i see the need and the opportunity.00:32
rmrfslashnice00:33
rmrfslashwjat's a partition?00:33
rmrfslashj/k00:33
Torchoxymoron: well, what you describe is mostly how it's supposed to be.00:33
JontheEchidnaThe author of Gwenview is paid by Canonical00:33
oxymoronTorch: And yes i really appreciate there is people who are willing to offer their spare time to make these wonderful OS:es and apps, I dont really expect anything I just use the best OS out there that I think for the moment. But you people have choosen to release this to public, in someway you enjoy it and I think you guys deserve applause but also I think you have some kind of obligation to our users to release things that works or00:34
oxymoronelse we will find someone who does the job better :D00:34
JontheEchidnawell, perhaps not author, but the current main gwenview dev00:35
JontheEchidnathe current printer applet and printer config System Settings module also wouldn't be around if canonical didn't exist00:35
Torchoxymoron: absolutely.00:35
Torchoxymoron: i completely agree with that. if KDE releases sth it should be as good as it can be.00:36
oxymoronTorch: It could be like that I think :) Not a perfect comparision, but in my web framework I do everything modular and break up every single module to be isolated from everything else. The only thing that MUST work is the core, that in this case should be the Linux core or Ubuntu Core maybe :P00:36
Torchoxymoron: that's a little over-simplified, though ;-)00:36
Torchoxymoron: double click next to a tab in dolphin on 4.3. dolphin will crash.00:37
Torchoxymoron: that's a qt 4.5 bug.00:37
rmrfslashreally?00:37
Torchoxymoron: what can we do?00:37
rmrfslashshould I try this?00:37
Torchrmrfslash: yes.00:37
rmrfslashlol00:37
rmrfslashno thanks00:37
Torchrmrfslash: in 4.3 with qt 4.500:37
rmrfslashwhat's 4.4?00:37
rmrfslashQT 4.6?00:37
Torchrmrfslash: huh?00:37
Torchrmrfslash: yes.00:37
rmrfslashok00:37
rmrfslashguess I coulda checked that00:38
rmrfslashWell, I can't complain about Kubuntu. I think you and the other developers are doing a hell of a job.00:38
mamalalahello everyone ... i'm having a strange problem with xorg + radeon in a dual-head setup on amd64 ... quite often when i move the mouse from the screen connected to DVI-0 into the screen connected to VGA-0, it shuts down the vga output00:38
rmrfslashBut I'll still bitch.00:38
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Torchrmrfslash: i'm not a kubuntu dev.00:39
rmrfslashthat's cuz ATI sucks00:39
rmrfslashwell, KDE00:39
rmrfslashI think KDE has come a long way00:39
oxymoronTorch: Yes I know, but I guess you understand what I mean :P System programmring is far more complicated then web programming :P I have been developed some tiny amateur C++, Ptyhon and Java stuff but personally I freaking hate that environment, its to messy ... And for that matter it needs better strucutre :P I think it should be possible to isolate apps in one place, theming and design in one place, monitor and graphics in one place00:39
oxymoronand so on and isolate them from each other and then they could be communicate thorugh each other around the core :P00:39
rmrfslashI used to be a gnome-boy00:40
rmrfslashuntil my co-worker turned me onto Kubuntu (the asshole) around 4.100:40
rmrfslashI knew Kubutntu was better but I was like holy shit is it buggy00:40
rmrfslashI've watched it mature00:40
rmrfslashvery fun ride00:41
Torchoxymoron: in theory... again ;-) you're right... in practice, this is an ideal that devs have aimed for for the last 40 years. we got closer, but not there yet.00:41
oxymoronTorch: And yes, there is QT who develop some things, Kubuntu their things, Grub their things, Alsa theirs, KDE theirs and so on :P I think the only "problem" is communcation :P00:41
rmrfslashfrustrating at times, but fun00:41
Torchrmrfslash: 4.1 was okay... should have seen 4.0 ;-)00:41
rmrfslashhahahah00:41
rmrfslashI did00:41
rmrfslashmy co-worker had it00:41
rmrfslashI think....00:41
rmrfslashwhatever he had made me laugh00:41
Torchoxymoron: the problem is how complex this stuff is. KDE has millions and millions of lines of code.00:42
rmrfslashI was using gnome at the time00:42
oxymoronTorch: I cant exactly understand the complexity of the whole Linux/*buntu mentality and code, but I think nothing is impossible.00:42
rmrfslashnever use gnome now.... kde is way to fricking awesome. The only thing that sold me on KDE was the power management00:42
Torchoxymoron: at least kde4 is a lot cleaner when it gets to design stuff than kde3 was.00:42
oxymoronTorch: And thats why KDE needs perfect structure from the beginning so it does not matter how many lines there are :P00:42
Torchoxymoron: hehe00:43
oxymoronTorch: Haha yeah thats for sure, I have been looking a LITTLE through the code and it looks a lot more cleaner :P00:43
Torchrmrfslash: yeah. powerdevil is awesome.00:43
rmrfslashGnome had like 2 power modes "use power" and "don't use power"00:43
rmrfslashKDE has "extreme powersave, powersave, presentation, performance, etc."00:43
rmrfslashand if your machine allows it you can shut off cores00:44
rmrfslashfricking ridiculous00:44
rmrfslashthe kde developers are really drilling down, I like that00:44
oxymoronTorch: But I think you can compare web frameworks with desktop systems like Gnome and KDE :P The principle is almost exaclty the same, I am absolutely sure you can use MVC-model as well :)00:45
rmrfslashZend Framework!00:45
rmrfslash:P00:45
rmrfslashI recently wrote a Zend Framework app w/ Google Web Toolkit frontend00:45
oxymoronrmrfslash: Yeah Zend Framework sucks I know :D00:45
rmrfslashnooooo00:45
rmrfslashcome on now.00:45
Torchoxymoron: all of qt4 is mvc (without the c, mostly)00:45
rmrfslashmvc++00:46
oxymoronTorch: Thats good, is everything else? :P00:46
oxymoronrmrfslash: No just kidding, well in some parts is actually good like validation, some vendor/service stuff and so on, but the core is REALLY messy and heavy bloated, extremely slow and bad performance.00:47
Torchoxymoron: qt4 forces you to use model-view00:47
rmrfslashagreed... it's slow00:47
Torchoxymoron: from that viewpoint (software design and architecture 101) we don't have a problem00:47
oxymoronTorch: I mean does QT follow MVC should other things do as well :P I would think QT4 as an View-layer inside Kubuntu though :P00:48
rmrfslashtheir goal is to make it faster. they've publicly said "ok, yeah.... we're a lot slower than codeignitor"00:48
rmrfslash"we need to do something about that"00:48
rmrfslashthey will00:48
rmrfslashI just use it for simple rest calls00:48
oxymoronrmrfslash: Yeah right ... they must think from the beginning and start over :P00:48
rmrfslashwell, wevb services00:48
rmrfslashnot rest calls, that makes no sense00:48
rmrfslashand if there's one thing Zend will do, is go back and rewrite00:49
rmrfslashnot like some languages developers that deny their lang needs a rewrite00:49
rmrfslash(not that ZF is a "language", but you know what I mean)00:50
oxymoronrmrfslash: My goal is to release the fastest framework soon though. I dont know for sure if its faster than DooPHP Framework, but has on other hand more features and is faster than CodeIgniter and Agavi :) You dont even need routes :P But this is offtopic, continue on #kubuntu-offtopic?00:50
rmrfslashu see Yii00:50
rmrfslash?00:50
rmrfslashfast benchmarks00:50
oxymoronrmrfslash: Huh?00:50
rmrfslashyii framework00:51
rmrfslashlook it up00:51
rmrfslashhttp://www.yiiframework.com/performance/00:51
rmrfslashlazy loading00:52
rmrfslashthat's what lazy loading gets you00:52
oxymoronrmrfslash: But DooPHP has also their own, it is roughly misunderstandable and its different between different version of Apache (Apache Benchmark). I have been testing around myself and its REALLY confusing, you got completely different result every time you test it :P00:54
rmrfslashwell hey, I'm anxious to see your framework00:55
rmrfslashwhy do people take their shoes off on the train?00:56
rmrfslashjesus00:56
rmrfslashsome people just don't get "society"00:57
rmrfslashanyways, gotta run00:57
rmrfslashthanks for the help everyone00:57
oxymoronrmrfslash: Its not very wide featured though because its kind of alpha version with focus on the core and not modules like caching, i18n, ORM, ActivePattern, RBAC and so on even if I am looking forward to develop for that too :)00:57
ameliehi people!01:05
ameliei need help01:05
amelie:-P01:05
amelielost my account password01:06
amelieand don't know how to reset it01:06
amelieplease??01:06
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amelie:-(01:07
TSKamelie: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword01:10
Mac42DOHi! I have karmix an kde 4.4. How can I install the gtk-appearence settings into the system-settings?01:10
Mac42DOkarmic01:10
ameliethks TSK!01:10
ameliethanks tsk01:17
ameliei could reset my password01:17
ameliethanks thanks thanks01:17
amelie:D01:17
TSKGood deal.  Glad that worked.  :)01:17
TSKamelie: For future reference, the Google query I used to find that page was "how to reset a lost password in ubuntu".   It came up first in the list.  The secret I've learned about searching the web is to be quite specific about what you seek.  ;)01:20
ameliei'm used to make the same thing, and I tried on the ubuntu forums01:21
ameliebut01:21
ameliefor some reason, i couldn't find the right instructions01:22
TSKI guess I got lucky then.  :)01:23
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racecar56pidgin won't show up in the indicator applet, what's wrong? i'd be using kopete instead if it supported 100% HTML logging like pidgin does01:43
jrmyfrancais ?01:46
kaddi!fr01:47
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois01:47
tjmcwiz#quit02:29
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HOMIE_THA_KLOWNhow do i connect to other cervers on here?03:12
Daughain??????03:15
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNservers*03:17
DaughainDefine "here'.03:17
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNquassle IRC03:18
DaughainBTW, if you connect to another server, you arent "here". =)03:18
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNlol03:18
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNsrry i 4got people use other cleints03:18
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNlol03:18
DaughainXchat here.03:19
* Daughain grins.03:19
DaughainThough, you shoujld have a 'server' setting at the top of the page, I would think.03:19
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNim just usin whatever i could get to work for ubuntu03:19
DaughainOr under the right mouse click.03:19
Daughainquassel comes with the kde desktop install.03:20
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNi have to use the software center03:20
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNum new to ubuntu03:20
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNinstalled it a hour ago03:20
DaughainBut, try a right click on the server screen./03:20
* Daughain remembers those days....03:20
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNon a old windows e machine03:21
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNxD03:21
DaughainCOnsidering it was only two months ago, not too hard. =)03:21
DaughainEeeew.....emachine.03:21
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNwell it aint e macjine\03:21
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNits just a e machine harddrive03:21
* Daughain nods..03:21
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNits a compaq motherboard03:22
DaughainANyway, there are a few places to try.03:22
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNdell power supply03:22
* Daughain knows how it goes..03:22
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNwell is there a place for juggalos/juggalettes?03:23
DaughainNo clue. google??03:23
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNwell i tryed using the channels list03:24
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNbut03:24
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNit didnt bring up nuttin03:24
Daughainfreenode os pretty much more along the lines of linux help channels.03:24
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNwell this thing hates me03:25
* Daughain chuckles..03:25
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNi try to get the other server and03:25
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNfail03:25
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNlol03:25
DaughainYou sure you have the port numbers right?03:25
DaughainAnd the server names?03:25
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNya03:26
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNi had invision mIRC on windows and was a master at irc03:26
DaughainRemember, some servers have more restricted port lists than others.03:26
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNserver irc.juggaloirc.com03:26
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNoops03:26
DaughainUmmmm.....I write mirc bots as a hobby.03:26
HOMIE_THA_KLOWN4got the /03:26
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNwell that i suck at03:27
DaughainUsually oyu need something like this...:  irc.juggaloirc.com:666403:27
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNok ill try03:28
DaughainThough, xchat uses <server name>/<port>03:28
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNwere do i get yahoo messenger for ubuntu???03:29
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNin packege form03:29
tsimpson!im03:29
ubottuInstant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) supports MSN, Jabber, AIM, YIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and, in KDE 3, IRC. See also !Pidgin03:29
DaughainHeya, tsimpson03:29
tsimpsonyahoo have a very old and broken package for debian somewhere, but it's not worth it03:30
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNthanx03:30
DaughainI prefer pidgin, but all the same idea. =)03:30
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNhow do install programs that are in floders?03:31
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNfolders*03:31
Daughain????? tarballs?03:31
tsimpson!source03:31
ubottuYou can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html03:31
tsimpson!compile03:31
ubottuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)03:31
* tsimpson pets ubottu 03:31
* Daughain chuckles.03:31
somekoolhello everyone03:33
somekoolanyone succeeded to run kde 4.4 under kubuntu 9.10 with standard packages?03:34
somekooli just upgraded from 4.3.5 and plasma is crashing03:34
somekoollike it is not completly installed or something like that03:34
HOMIE_THA_KLOWNis there a programs to emulate windows? like cuz i have to deskyops i can have windows on one and ubuntu on the other03:36
Daughainwine03:40
Daughainsudo apt-get install wine03:40
[GuS]HOMIE_THA_KLOWN: you should try to Virtualize the OS(windows in this case), with VirtualBox for example03:54
somekoolsynergy is cool too if you have multiple computers04:03
geniiReactOS04:04
islI'm new !04:18
islHow to use this ?04:19
geniiisl: If you have some question ask04:22
islThanks but to testing this chat , thanks genii04:23
DarkriftXearlier someone told me to dpkg --get-selections to make a list of packages on this laptop (migrating to new one). how do i use that list to install those packages on the new one? --set-selections doesnt seem to like that file04:25
genii!cloning04:27
ubottuTo replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate04:27
DarkriftXwow04:27
DarkriftXthats awesoem04:27
* genii sips04:27
DarkriftXthx04:27
geniinp04:27
* scunizi sips as well.. clear over ice 04:27
sirspyr0hello everyone04:30
scunizihello hello04:30
DarkriftXgot about a few thousand errors about package "install" not found04:30
DarkriftXwhen running the second command04:30
sirspyr0tryying to get something going, wondering if someone has a few moments of time04:30
scuniziDarkriftX: did you install any .bin files?04:30
DarkriftXfresh 9.04 install04:31
DarkriftXnothing has been installed yet04:31
sirspyr0i recently installed ubuntu 9.10 and it came with kernel 2.6.19 x6404:31
scuniziDarkriftX: did you do a *full* sys upgrade?  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ... dist-upgrade will *not* take you to the next release04:31
DarkriftXits not an upgrade04:32
DarkriftXnew laptop04:32
islubottu: If I want to do that , I will using synaptic . by save selected - save complete status . this will build a file for you , open it with synaptic on new pc04:32
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)04:32
DarkriftXi want all the same apps installed on there04:32
scuniziDarkriftX: no.. the upgrade line upgrades the system you just installed04:32
sirspyr0i wanted to know how to update it to the 2.6.26 kernel04:32
DarkriftXthen im going to copy my home folder over (per suggestion in here)04:32
DarkriftXi didnt do the upgrade line04:32
scunizipackages, versions but not the release04:32
DarkriftX sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages04:32
DarkriftXthat failed04:32
DarkriftXoh, did i do it wrong?04:32
sirspyr0some driver patches i want to use that were made for 2.6.2604:33
sirspyr0not real sure how to go about doing it04:33
scuniziDarkriftX: looks like it04:34
sirspyr0oh im in the wrong channel04:34
sirspyr0im so sorry04:34
sirspyr0i need the ubuntu channel, right?04:34
sirspyr0sorry about that04:34
DarkriftXerm04:34
DarkriftXif the first aptitude command is failing, why would it matter?04:35
scunizihere .. there.. where-ever sirspyr0 .. either may give you the answer.04:35
sirspyr0hehe okie scunizi04:35
DarkriftXyeah, as i thought, same error a couple thousand times again04:35
scuniziDarkriftX: this line?  aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages04:36
DarkriftX"Couldnt find package "install". However, the following packages contain "install" in their name:04:36
DarkriftXthat one was correct04:36
DarkriftXit was copied and pasted04:36
DarkriftXthe other one (done on the new laptop) was typed exactly also04:36
sirspyr0now i wonder if i can skip the kernel update altogether if i had another way to patch my broadcom for injection04:36
scuniziwith the << >> at the ends of the lines?04:36
scunizisirspyr0: you on 9.04 or 9.10?04:37
DarkriftXno...04:37
sirspyr09.104:37
scunizibrb04:37
sirspyr0o.004:37
islDarkriftX: do not copy packge direct from old to new pc , that will make a problem for you if the kernal or some main library are diffrents04:38
islyou can use synaptic04:38
DarkriftXdamn04:39
islit is more easy to do that, but with loading from internet04:39
islyou can copy deb files from old /var/cache/apt/archeve to new laptop04:40
DarkriftXisnt there a list somewhere of non system packages?04:41
islthat will helpping synaptic to ignore same deb from redownload04:41
DarkriftXi c04:41
DarkriftXdamn04:41
DarkriftXthey made it sound a lot easier the last 3 times i asked04:41
isldo you have synaptic ?04:42
juacom99could someone please help me restore my grub. this is my fdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/375225/  and thishttp://paste.ubuntu.com/375226/ is my menu.lst04:42
juacom99i been trying all day04:43
islfile - save selected04:43
DarkriftXi do in a min04:43
DarkriftXapt-getting it04:43
islcheck complete status04:43
scuniziisl: isn't there a commnad for DarkriftX that builds a text file that can be used to reinstall packages from the internet on a different machine?04:43
DarkriftXscunizi: i was doing that, then was told that it might be bad04:43
DarkriftXwhich makes sense04:43
DarkriftXsome of thsoe packages might be drivers04:43
scunizitoo bad it can't be filtered for just "user installed" packages..04:45
islscunizi: I do not know ? but I use synaptic for like this stauts04:45
islIn synaptic no need to select any thing, Just save ... complet status04:48
sirspyr0quick question if i'm running 2.6.31 kernel, can i use a driver patch made for 2.6.26?04:53
resoIs there exist a shoutcast's program like SHOUTcast Radio DSP from winamp? for kubuntu04:54
scunizireso: maybe streamtuner04:57
resoscunizi: ok04:58
xjjkanyone have KDE 4.4 with Karmic and use Konsole? can they test something for me05:00
juacom99could someone please help me restore my grub. this is my fdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/375225/  and thishttp://paste.ubuntu.com/375226/ is my menu.lst05:01
juacom99i don't know what is wong the boot screen load ok but when i select an option nothing happens05:02
xjjkhttp://identi.ca/attachment/8727628 is what I'm seeing with Konsole05:03
xjjkif I'm not using DejaVu Sans, the font is clipped05:03
scunizixjjk: wow.. how'd you get the color?05:06
xjjkscunizi: er, what color05:06
scunizixjjk: in the link you posted of cli..05:06
xjjkscunizi: do you mean the terminal's ASCII colorscheme?05:06
scunizixjjk: yes05:06
xjjkscunizi: funny you mention... that's a long-standing konsole bug (to add color schemes that don't suck) to konsole05:07
xjjkscunizi: they're on kde-look.org, it's the tango konsole color scheme05:07
xjjkoxygen is also good05:07
xjjkmakes the CLI look *good*05:07
scuniziyea.. I like it05:07
scunizixjjk: I think in the .bashrc file there is mention of it.. you have to uncomment lines to get it active..05:08
xjjkscunizi: hrm? for color schemes? the color scheme has nothing to do with bash05:08
scunizihumm. ok.. but I saw something like that mentioned in the file..05:09
xjjkscunizi: pretty sure that's something else05:10
scunizimentions xterm color prompts05:10
xjjkscunizi: once you install the new color schemes, you can select them under Konsole's settings under the Appearance tab05:10
xjjkscunizi: yah, that's to give a color prompt (as I have)05:11
xjjkis that what you meant?05:11
scunizihttp://pastebin.com/f3870d14b  take a look..05:12
xjjkscunizi: I believe you.. anyone, are you using KDE 4.4?05:12
scuniziis it the same?.. no.. 4.3.xx. but right now I'm on a gnome laptop05:12
xjjkcan you confirm that font problem I'm having?05:12
xjjkhrm, OK05:13
scunizixjjk: wasn't really paying attention to that .. what kind of problem?05:13
xjjkscunizi: see the konsole to the left05:13
xjjkit's a different font05:13
xjjkwhen konsole renders it, it's clipped05:13
xjjkwith characters invisible05:13
xjjksee the first directory "apache-access-logs"05:14
scunizican you post the link again.. I lost it.05:14
xjjkit's clipped to only "apache-access-lo" in the screenshot05:14
xjjkhttp://identi.ca/attachment/872762805:14
scuniziI see what you mean.. weird05:15
xjjkit happened after upgrading to the 4.4final05:15
xjjkthe RCs were fine05:15
scuniziso what's the difference between the left and right?05:15
scunizifont?05:15
xjjkdifferent font05:15
scunizior 4.3 vs 4.405:15
xjjkthe left is Inconsolata, the right is DejaVu Sans (default)05:15
xjjkthey are both 4.405:15
scunizinever heard of Inconsolata.. obviously an issue there.05:16
xjjkit's not installed by default, but it's pretty popular05:16
xjjkit's in the package ttf-inconsolata05:16
scunizilooks like one I'd avoid05:17
xjjkit's not just Inconsolata, it's several other fonts05:17
xjjkand none of them had a problem before Kubuntu's KDE 4.4 final05:17
scunizixjjk: did you file a bug yet?  maybe they were built wrong.. but in thinking about it, they don't rebuild fonts05:18
xjjkscunizi: I'm trying to find someone who can confirm the bug before filing05:18
scunizixjjk: you try searching the bug list yet?05:19
xjjkscunizi: not there as of yesterday05:19
scunizihave you seen this list? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=fonts&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_p05:20
xjjkno, I hadn't checked launchpad...05:21
* genii thinks about tinyurl05:21
scunizigenii: yea.. would have been better.. oops05:21
pepeehi05:29
genii!hi05:31
ubottuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!05:31
pepeeI updated today, and then changed my keyboard configs. after that, kde4 was reconfigured and I've lost various configs, including the keyboard settings...05:33
pepeenow I don't know how to recover the kb settings :(05:34
pepeethis configuration is very strange for me05:34
yotuxcan anyone offer assistance on connecting to hidden SSID05:53
agnitsi have a really dumb question: how can i use strigi? the search service has tons of stuff indexed, nepomuk store size is over 100MB but i can't figure out how to search it05:55
xjjkagnits: I usually use krunner06:01
xjjkor dolphin06:01
xjjkthere isn't a dedicated search client anymore06:02
agnitsjust enter query into krunner?06:03
agnitswhat kind of data does it index? could i search for exif data for example?06:04
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jpmaidensomebody help me please?06:14
genii!anyone06:14
ubottuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?06:14
jpmaidenhow install xmpp 1.0 for kopete facebook chat?06:15
apersonhi, I just updated my desktop (I have the kubuntu-ppa/backports repo enabled), and I'm just getting a black screen on boot06:35
apersonI noted two programs segment faulting (I'd have to check what they were again)06:36
apersonI also noted one broken package on installation06:37
apersonplasma-widget-kimpanel has unmet dependencies06:37
apersonplasma-desktop segment faults06:38
apersonok, an aptitude install plasma-desktop gives me a desktop again06:53
apersonbut now kde4-window-decorator segment faults06:53
dividehello06:57
apersonhowdy06:57
dividewe have kubuntu on a public access terminal in a cafe and I was wondering whether we could get any promo materials and CDs to put next to the machine so that anybody liking the OS could take it home06:58
apersonyou'll have to consult shipit.kubuntu.org06:59
divideaperson: so it's just best to write to info@shipit and ask about it?07:00
apersondivide, I'd assume so, I swear they used to have a form to request bulk cds for lugs and such07:01
apersonok, I just recently upgraded to 4.4.00, the only issue I'm having at this point is that kde4-window-decorator segment faults on boot, does anyone have a remedy to this?07:03
sirspyr0hello everyone07:06
divideaperson: ok, thanks07:07
apersondivide, yep, good luck :)07:07
sirspyr0i've been steadily researching the broadcom 4311 and am getting very mixed information about it07:07
sirspyr0is anyone experienced with this particular device?07:07
DarkriftXanyone know the package name for shiretoko?07:08
petsoundsDarkriftX, firefox 3.5?07:09
DarkriftXok, i thought it was a diff package07:09
sirspyr0hrm...07:10
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roothi, is anyone there?07:37
roothello?07:37
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Guest23339hello?07:38
Guest23339I just wanted to know if there was a new version of Showcock going to be released, please let me know thanks everyone :)07:38
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Guest23339hello?07:40
geniiGuest23339: I don't believe "Showcock" is some valid application07:41
Guest23339i use it to update my twitter statuses and stuff.07:42
DarkriftX!compiz07:44
ubottuCompiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz07:44
Guest23339ubottu: can u show me about showcock?07:45
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)07:45
Guest23339oh :(07:45
avihay!showcock07:45
DarkriftXlol07:45
avihay!info showcock07:45
ubottuPackage showcock does not exist in karmic07:46
Guest23339:(07:46
Guest23339how do i get a real name like you guys do?07:46
avihayso, well, anyway ubottu, don't sell yourself short. intelligent or not, you've been a real help to everyone around here07:46
Guest23339i want to be cool :D07:47
genii!info choqok07:47
ubottuchoqok (source: choqok): KDE Micro-Blogging Client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.6-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 233 kB, installed size 1352 kB07:47
DarkriftXlol07:47
avihayuse /name The_CoOlEsT_NaMe_EvEr    (only please something more modest)07:47
DarkriftX!find compiz-icon07:48
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ubottuFile compiz-icon found in cairo-dock-plug-ins, cairo-dock-plug-ins-data07:48
DarkriftXhrmmm07:48
sup3r_133toh cool07:48
DarkriftXif yo have to ask how to change your nick on irc, you arent allowed to use l33t in your nick :P07:49
sup3r_133tgenii: is that the same thing as showcock? I heard someone on a radio show call it that. that's a weird spelling07:49
sup3r_133tDarkriftX: oh :( is there any place where these rules are written?07:50
DarkriftXit was a joke07:50
DarkriftXbut im sure someone has written it somewhere07:50
sup3r_133toh, i get it, haha07:50
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geniisup3r_133t: Thats the one, yes. Phonetically it's spelt as you did it. Please now desist with using the term "showcock" in the channel now that we know07:51
sup3r_133tokay, thank you for your help :D07:52
geniiYou're welcome07:52
DarkriftXok.... i used fusion-icon to restart compiz (even though it wasnt started yet) and apparently that was not as good of an idea as it seeemed like. now I get a white screen (contents are there, cursor cahnges when i hover over invisible stuff). how would i reload kwin?07:54
DarkriftXkwin --replace?07:54
geniiDarkriftX: Yes, with alt-f2 and not in Konsole07:54
DarkriftXoh07:54
DarkriftXoops07:54
DarkriftXlol07:54
sup3r_133tquit07:56
sup3r_133texit07:56
sup3r_133thmm, how do i leave?07:56
DarkriftX /quit07:56
sup3r_133toh, thanks :D07:56
aperson/quit07:56
DarkriftXor the pretty X on your window07:56
apersonor /join 007:56
apersonor /exit07:56
DarkriftXid almost guess he was trolling07:56
geniiHm "root@"07:56
apersonDarkriftX, I'd assume so07:57
DarkriftXfrom mirc /echo $quit07:57
DarkriftX:P07:57
apersonburn it with fire!07:57
apersonot aside...07:57
geniiDarkriftX: Yes, they couldn't help saying "showcock" as often as possible07:57
Guest84113Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.1007:58
DarkriftXis there a command line method to enable restricted drivers? the "activate" button in the gui does not do anything for me07:59
apersonDarkriftX, I like to use envyng, though that isn't the 'recommended' way08:00
DarkriftXwell, that doesnt seem to work for me08:05
DarkriftXI am getting graphical glitches now though08:05
apersonDarkriftX, what graphics card?08:06
DarkriftXnvidia, lemme find model08:06
DarkriftXnvidia geforce g210m08:07
DarkriftXi think08:07
DarkriftX· NVIDIA GeForce G 210M 512MB08:08
DarkriftXit shows my driver in the restricted app, just that the activate button does nothing08:09
DarkriftXahh, worked this time08:09
DarkriftX4 tries later08:09
leogis not able to install splash themes08:12
leoghas any1 faced a similar issue?08:13
DarkriftXwhy do 10 of the last 15 ppl to join have "quassel" as their ident?08:14
FeasibilityStudyBecause Quassel rules the world08:15
Guest84113Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.1008:15
geniiDarkriftX: Quassel is the default Kubuntu IRC client08:17
apersonok, I have most of my issues fixed (removed compiz for now), but now I have two sets of notifications08:17
apersonthey're duplicates08:18
apersonoh, I seem to have an extra panel now08:18
FeasibilityStudyaperson: I had that problem too earlier today.  Just deleted the panel and it's been fine since.08:20
leogI click on install n after sometime it just displays uninstall but the theme is not installed ....tried googling but did find anything08:20
apersonFeasibilityStudy, yeah, I just did that as well, now if only compiz wouldn't cause problems08:20
leogKDE 4.3.2 is this a perms issue as it does not as for the password?08:22
peppinois there a way to start a distro fom a directory instead / ?08:25
geniipeppino: You want to boot from some subdirectory of another installed distribution?08:27
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peppinogenii: want i want to do is place entire ditro under a sub directoory instead partition root....i tried it manipulating more than one time grub but nothing....im not able to tells to kernel that the root should be a directory08:29
geniipeppino: I haven't done this, but in theory... you have a shared /boot with all dists vmlinuz initrd and so on... then in the grub stanza something like set root=(hdX,X)/subdirectoryname08:32
peppinogenii: thank a lot.... i tried it but nothing08:34
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geniipeppino: In addition you would need fstab entries with some kind of funky / mount, maybe a bind if it's seeing the underlying fs directory hierarchy08:35
peppinogenii: i know08:36
geniipeppino: Why not instead use grub to boot the iso file and use a persistent install08:37
peppinogenii: some people in the ird told me that is not possible to have a position for the distro different from /,,,,,,,,, they said that all links, etc are linked to /08:37
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peppinogenii: are you still here?08:47
geniipeppino: Barely. 3:47AM where i am08:48
peppinogenii: ops08:48
peppinogenii: for what is concerning lucid problem....which is the channel to address the problems?08:54
genii!lucid08:54
ubottuLucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+108:54
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peppinogenii: do you have an idea for these two errors:08:58
peppinoError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-mauri" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 008:58
peppinoError: "/tmp/kde-mauri" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 008:58
geniipeppino: I have an idea but it would take too long to elaborate on it in the time left before i go comatose08:59
tsimpsonpeppino: don't use sudo with GUI apps08:59
tsimpsonuse kdesudo08:59
tsimpsongenii: nice and short answer ;)08:59
* genii passes coffee to tsimpson08:59
peppinotsimpson: tnk09:00
buckfastHey. I upgraded to KDE 4.4 from backports. The upgrade didnt go so good, a lot of dependecy trouble. Finally managed to get everything installed with -f option. Did any of you guys have 2 panels after the upgrade?09:07
buckfastI'm wondering if I messed it up09:08
Guest84113Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.1009:09
izmailiveADA ORANG INDONESIA GA EUY?09:12
Guest84113Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.1009:20
Guest84113help09:20
neboneboh1 ! :D09:29
ubuntubjour09:32
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ubuntujai un souci09:32
rork!fr | ubuntu09:33
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ginbuntukde 4.4 is still sluggish. do I need a better gfx card?10:00
apersonhow can I set dolphin to hide hidden files globally?  I apparently can only do it on a per-folder basis it seems, kde 4.410:03
jussi01aperson: view -> dhow hidden files should sort you, no?10:05
apersonthat seems to only work per-folder10:06
apersonas I'll go to a new directory, and see .directory files10:06
jussi01aperson: configure dolphin -> general -> view properties -> use common view properties for all folders10:08
jussi01Im guessing that should do it10:08
apersonlets see10:08
apersonthanks10:09
jussi01:D10:09
apersonthough view>adjust view properties> uncheck show hidden files and select apply for all folders seems to be the better solution10:10
apersondang kde ans it's million configuration options10:10
apersonI appreciate the help though :)10:10
giuseppe_cool10:23
giuseppe_!list10:23
ubottuThis is not a file sharing channel (or network); be sure to read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot »10:23
ExilantDoes anyone know wether kubuntu's kde geolocation dataengine somehow works with gpsd or geoclue or something like that?10:35
simonahi!10:55
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petsoundssimona, hi10:59
simonaanyone here?10:59
simonahi10:59
simonacan i ask you a question?11:00
petsoundsask your question11:01
simonaWhat's is the best programming IDE for KDE4?11:01
esdanielsimona: it's kind of weird but the protocol is "just ask" to avoid lots of "hai, can I..." etc11:01
simonaoh...i'm sorry...11:02
FeasibilityStudyYeah simona, get with the program! :)11:02
esdanielsimona: what's your poison, what's the need - KDevelop good for doing KDE stuff, Eclipse good for Java and lots of other things but needs a good spec machine11:02
simonait's the first time that i join this channel!11:02
simona:)11:02
Exilantsimona: try kdevelop. No clue if it's finished yet11:02
esdanielsimona: no need to be sorry, got to learn by participation, there's no other way11:03
Exilantkate is also really nice, but it's no ide11:03
FeasibilityStudyNotice we're only nice because you are likely a chick, something we don't see in these geek chats very much.11:03
esdanielsimona: are you a mature programmer i.e. do you use code versioning, test unit frameworks, build tools etc.,11:03
esdaniellol11:03
simonaI tried kdevelop, but it seemed not very stable11:04
Exilanti thought we were nice because of the ubuntu code of conduct?11:04
simonaesdaniel, not really...i'm an "amateur" programmer!:P11:05
tsimpsonyou can use qtcreator if you want to work with Qt/KDE programming11:05
esdanielsimona: ok, eclipse is a bit 'heavy' but really versatile - in terms of programming language do you have a preference, what's your exisitng knowledge of programming, what can you code in or would like to code in?11:06
simonai want to program first of all in C,C++...11:06
esdanielsimona: what kind of apps you want to write - local stuff or something that runs on a web server ?11:06
simonalocal stuff11:07
esdanielsimona: what was unstable about kdevelop?11:07
simonai tried eclipse when I used Gnome...11:07
simonabut on KDE4 it carries with it a lot of Gnome dependencies11:07
simonaI'm searching for a native KDE4 IDE11:08
esdanielsimona: i use eclipse via the download from eclipse.org, i run it in it's own dir under my account perms11:08
tsimpson!ide11:08
ubottuProgramming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, pida, monodevelop, geany - Others: eclipse, netbeans, qtcreator11:08
esdanielsimona: i do not use the versions in repos11:08
tsimpsoneclipse still uses GTK+11:09
simona(sorry for my english...i'm italian and I'm not speek english very well!)11:09
Torchsimona: kdevelop?11:09
esdanielsimona: kdevelop would be logical choice i.e. closest to the kde community preferred ide for kde stuff11:10
Peace-simona: italian like me11:10
Peace-!it | simona11:10
ubottusimona: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (click col tasto destro sul nome del canale per entrare)11:10
simonakdevelop is a really good program, but, IMHO, it's not stable yet!11:11
Torchsimona: also have a look at qtcreator11:11
Peace-qt creator11:11
Peace-simona: vieni in canale italiano... se non te la cavi con english11:11
simonagrazie ubottu!ci proverò, ma mi piace l'idea di comunicare con una comunity internazionale!:)11:12
Peace-e vabbe11:12
simonaTorch, thx11:12
simonai try it as soon as possible11:13
simonathx to all! I'll try all your advice...then I'll let you know how it went!11:15
simonahave a nice day!11:16
simonabye11:16
oxymoronAh this is awesome, now file extension does not work in Kubuntu ... which means when I open a textfile IT SHOULD open in Kate but it does not and I cannot even associate filetypes anymore, the option is gone xD11:25
oxymoronnvm, it was only for some system files, but still :P11:26
Mamarokoxymoron: it works here11:26
oxymoronMamarok: I tried with linux.img and grub.cfg, in /boot/grub and those cannot be associated with any application :P Not that it had to, but I wanted to check the inside of the files :P11:27
oxymoronMamarok: I guess it because they are empty? xD11:28
oxymoronMamarok: But hmm should /boot/grub/grub.cfg be empty? xD11:29
Mamarokoxymoron: it is because those are system files you are not supposed to handle anyway11:29
Mamarokjust another security level to prevent silly edits11:30
Mamarokand you don't need an editor to see the content of files, use less11:30
oxymoronMamarok: When you need to edit them because of some circumstances it would be good if it works ... but I guess "sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg works instead :P11:31
buckfastHow do I change the clock on the panel from AM/PM to 24hour setting?11:31
oxymoronMamarok: Ah there we have it :P I had to check if something were there because I kind of messed up by compiling and installed grub2-experimental xD I think I go back to beta4 instead :D11:32
Torchbuckfast: systemsettings -> region and language -> time & dates -> time format11:33
Mamarokbeta4 of what?11:33
oxymoronMamarok: I mean grub2~1.97beta411:34
GalvatronHi11:34
oxymoronMamarok: I thought 1.97.1.2 should be more stable but I guess not ... but mostly because I tried to make my grubmenu with a gfxmenu which really apic failed :D11:35
oxymoron*epic11:35
buckfastTorch: I have hh:mm:ss set there but it still shows am/pm on the panel11:35
Mamarokoxymoron: downgrades are not supported, and normally there is nothing to tweak in grub, it should just work11:35
oxymoronMamarok: Downgrades? :P11:35
oxymoronMamarok: I would like a more flashy grub when I start my computer :P ANd splash images is not enough for my eyes, I want my gfxmenu :D11:36
Torchbuckfast: hmm. no idea then.11:36
oxymoronTorch: Btw, graphic guy ... :D Is it possible to do the Kickofflogo in the left bottom corner larger? I managed to do it before, but in 4.3+ of KDE it does not work anymore :( Now it is very small and I cannot find any setting to enlarge it.11:37
Torchoxymoron: no idea. it's a plasmoid and will take up as much space as it can use...11:38
buckfastTorch: Perhaps I have to restart the OS then...11:38
Torchbuckfast: no11:39
oxymoronTorch: Well if I redefined the height of panel to be higher it resized, but now it just keep the same size because taskbar does not move ...11:39
Torchoxymoron: works for me. when i make the panel higher, the kickoff button gets larger.11:40
oxymoronTorch: I really want it larger to get more estetic panel, but mostly more functional so I dont need to think of click on the right place :P11:40
Torchoxymoron: the idea is to just move the pointer to the bottomleft corner and click without having to aim11:40
oxymoronTorch: Awesome, why does nothing works for me and everyone else :D11:41
oxymoronTorch: Yes exactly and now I kind a need to "aim"11:41
oxymoronTorch: The icon doesnt went larger though. I think the plasmoids on the right of it is locked in someway :P11:42
GalvatronIs it normal that I have no bott menu in GRUB2 (UBuntu 9.10) - no recovery mode etc.?11:47
Galvatron*boot menu11:47
Mamarokoxymoron: so much hassle for something that you see for barely a second...11:48
oxymoronMamarok: Its like the splashscreen, loginscreen and everything else, I want consistency for my eye :D Now it is, ugly => ugly => nice => more nice => awesome (KDE desktop)11:49
Torchoxymoron: if you want all that to be consistent, use opensuse (and grow a fondness for the colour green before you do ;-))11:49
Mamarokoxymoron: which is perfect, no?11:49
oxymoronTorch: Btw I found a setting to use fast CPU and high resolution, then everything went a lot more faster suddenly with rendering :D11:50
Mamarokand for horrible rpm dependency hell11:50
oxymoronTorch: But OpenSuse is not good looking? :D I want consistency of a good looking theme as well xD :P11:51
Torchoxymoron: well, depends on your taste. i'm sure they have screenshots somewhere on their website, though.11:52
oxymoronTorch: Seriously look at this ugly desktop http://www.icewalkers.com/scr/n2692/opensuse.jpg and that camelont ...11:52
buckfastHow can I manage application launcher favorites?11:52
Torchbuckfast: right click an entry and pick "add to favorites"11:53
buckfastTorch: I don't have that option for a program I want to add11:53
oxymoronTorch: Hahaha LOL http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/06/18/open_suse_installer_big.jpg, the opensuse installer is more beauty then the desktop itself :D Btw, why havent Kubuntu that kind of nice installer?11:53
FeasibilityStudyoxymoron: that is one ugly azz desktop11:53
oxymoronFeasibilityStudy: Yeah indeed11:54
Torchbuckfast: add it to the launcher first with the menu editor11:55
FeasibilityStudyI really need to try this new OpenSUSE everyone talks about.  I havent used Suse in years and am kind of leery since the whole M$ deal.11:55
oxymoronFeasibilityStudy: http://www.notmart.org/images/air.png KDE 4 Air :P Not nice panel bar because the dude havent configured it but more good looking then opensuse :P11:55
FeasibilityStudyoxymoron: yeah looks good11:56
FeasibilityStudything I like the most about 4.4 is the ability to right-click the desktop and immediately switch wallpaper11:57
FeasibilityStudya simple feature that was badly needed11:57
TorchFeasibilityStudy: how is that different in 4.4?11:57
oxymoronTorch: Btw, is this possble to config with alt+tabular for switch between apps? http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/800px-cover-switch.png11:57
FeasibilityStudyTorch: I dont think 4.3 had it11:57
TorchFeasibilityStudy: it did.11:58
FeasibilityStudyI am sure it didnt11:58
FeasibilityStudyif it did, i am blind.  I have looked for it numerous times11:58
Torchoxymoron: it's cover switch. sure.11:58
oxymoronFeasibilityStudy: I think its even possible to drag an image to the desktop and it change :P11:58
oxymoronTorch: How? :P11:58
FeasibilityStudywhile I am here, can anyone tell me why it is no longer possible to drag and drop an application to the Desktop folder?11:59
Torchoxymoron: systemsettings -> desktop effects -> effect for window switching: cover switch ;-)11:59
oxymoronTorch: Ah but for alt+shift+tab? :P12:00
FeasibilityStudyAnd, oh, one thing I think really needs to be done to Kwin: emulate compiz's "edge flip pointer."  Does KDE have this feature?  Perhaps I am missing it.12:00
Torchoxymoron: it's for both12:00
Torchoxymoron: shift or not just determines the direction12:00
TorchFeasibilityStudy: from where?12:00
FeasibilityStudyTorch, from the "kickoff" menu12:01
TorchFeasibilityStudy: works for me12:01
FeasibilityStudyused to, i could just drag, say, amarok from the menu and put it on the desktop.  Now it is no longer possible12:01
oxymoronTorch: Oh thank you very much! <3 I had been struggling with that for awhile :P12:01
FeasibilityStudyTorch: not here.  I am trying it right now, and nothing.  Can't even drag anything at all.  When i click on it, it does nothing.12:02
TorchFeasibilityStudy: you can't drag FROM the launcher at all?12:02
FeasibilityStudyTorch, nope12:02
oxymoronTorch: I hope I never breakup my desktop though so my settings get restored to default xD Btw, any good Kubuntu backup program that actually works? I want increment backup everyday of /home-folder in the background :)12:02
FeasibilityStudyI am looking at settings, maybe I accidentally misconfigured something?12:02
TorchFeasibilityStudy: no idea, the launcher doesn't have too many settings afaik12:03
oxymoronTorch: I have been trying cron and rdiff-backup, but my programmring skills is not that good and google did not provide me a good script for it :P12:03
buckfastTorch: You mean add it to the Panel?12:03
oxymoronTorch: A nice GUI would be nice, like Norton Ghost :D12:03
Torchoxymoron: people seem to like luckybackup as a rsync frontend12:03
Torchbuckfast: no, to the launcher12:03
oxymoronTorch: Luckybackup sounds nice :P12:03
Torchoxymoron: i personally don't like it that much.12:03
SummerTimeif kubuntu doesnt update your kde, should i upgrade to 4.4 then?12:03
oxymoronTorch: What about rsync then? :P12:04
Torchoxymoron: that's what i use.12:04
Torchoxymoron: it's hard at first, but it works.12:04
oxymoronTorch: I would like a GUI first though and not a CLI :P12:04
Torchoxymoron: well, try luckybackup and see if it works for you.12:04
FeasibilityStudySecondly, I have noticed some of my favorite plasmoids dont work in 4.4.  Smooth tasks and YAWP both dont work12:05
FeasibilityStudywhich typically happens with each new KDE.  But its annoying12:05
oxymoronTorch: Yeah I hope it works and is kind of nice, at least work out for me :P12:05
SummerTimedoes kubuntu offer kde 4.4 as an update when i click "update" or not?12:05
TorchFeasibilityStudy: if the plasmoids are developed outside of kde, that's not so surprising.12:06
FeasibilityStudytorch, yeah these are.  But they are two very popular ones12:06
TorchSummerTime: read the topic12:06
TorchFeasibilityStudy: talk to their authors12:06
oxymoronTorch: Hahahaha that was the most childish and ugly looking GUI I have ever seen :D Well if it works I am glad anyway :P What about Keep then, or does it still not work?12:07
FeasibilityStudyI am sure they already know.12:07
Torchoxymoron: don't know it.12:07
SummerTime* Topic for #kubuntu set by Tm_T!tm_travolt@ubuntu/member/kde.developer/jkekkonen at Thu Feb 11 09:40:44 201012:07
FeasibilityStudyI am not blaming KDE or the authors, just complaining in general because I am in a complaining mood. ;)12:07
SummerTimebut i dont see the topic :S12:07
TorchFeasibilityStudy: do tell ;-)12:07
Torch[13:07:46] *** The channel topic is "Official Kubuntu support | Download Kubuntu 9.10: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu | KDE 4.3.5 in backports | KDE SC 4.4 in the Kubuntu Backports PPA: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4 | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuidelines | Regular helpers: #ubuntu-irc-helpers".12:07
TorchSummerTime: fix your irc client12:08
SummerTimeok so whats the problem? im talking about kde 4.4 and u say read the topic :S12:08
TorchSummerTime: i even quoted it for you. did you read it?12:08
SummerTimei did12:08
TorchSummerTime: what does it say about kde 4.4?12:09
FeasibilityStudyGod this really annoys me.  Not being able to drag and drop apps from the kickoff menu to the desktop..WTF?12:09
SummerTimeits in the backports ppa, and i ask should i get it or not?12:09
oxymoronTorch: I really like this one, a hell lot of options to choose for backup which I like. You can even syncronize the backup destination :P12:09
TorchSummerTime: you want us to tell you wether you want to have it?12:09
Torchoxymoron: you're talking about "keep"?12:10
SummerTimeim asking for what kind of experience you guys got from it so far12:10
oxymoronTorch: No luckybackup :P12:10
FeasibilityStudySummerTime: It is probably overall better, but still a little glitchy for me12:10
TorchSummerTime: it's nice but brings a lot of small problems. if you're not willing to spend some time fixing those, don't upgrade.12:10
SummerTime"a lot of small problems" such as?12:11
TorchSummerTime: depends12:11
FeasibilityStudyAH! I see!  I should file a bug.  I can indeed drag and drop from the "new" style kick off menu, but I like the "classic" style menu better.  From it, you CANNOT drag and drop.  Can someone verify this for me?  Switch to classic style and try.12:11
buckfastTorch: Thanks, finally got it the way I want (Why does a simple operation have to be so damn difficult)12:12
SummerTimeTorch, is it "best" to wait till Canonical Ltd says u need to update?12:12
TorchSummerTime: probably12:12
TorchFeasibilityStudy: doesn't sound too surprising. it's probably just not implemented for the classic menu.12:13
oxymoronTorch: Hahah nice, 35 % => 22 % xD12:13
FeasibilityStudyTorch: It used to be though12:13
FeasibilityStudyIt was on 4.312:13
FeasibilityStudySo why take that out?12:13
SummerTimealright Torch, ty, wondering though... from what ive seen, it seems that when you hover over an open app in the taskbar, it displays all the other open windows in thumbnail previeuws, right?12:13
oxymoronTorch: Loading bar goes backwards in luckyBackup xD12:14
TorchSummerTime: it shows the hovered application's main window12:14
TorchFeasibilityStudy: i have no idea, i don't use the classic launcher12:14
FeasibilityStudyTorch, it is much easier IMO.  Much faster12:15
oxymoronFeasibilityStudy: Yes its a lot more faster ;) I though prefer Lancelot, but for the moment it does not work ...12:15
Peace-anyone here with karmic and kde 4.4 ?12:15
Peace-much morebtter o worse?12:15
FeasibilityStudyPeace-: practically all of us12:15
oxymoronPeace-: Yes?12:15
Peace-xD12:15
Peace-so....12:15
Peace-i guess i should update my karmic12:16
Peace-my stable karmic12:16
Peace-right?12:16
Peace-no issue ?12:16
TorchPeace-:  it's nice but brings a lot of small problems. if you're not willing to spend some time fixing those, don't upgrade. </repeat>12:16
Peace-xD i am a bit scared12:16
oxymoronPeace-: Both better and worse, mostly better :P But I dont know it seems like I am theo nly one and everyone else got it flawless :D12:16
TorchPeace-: don't.12:16
SummerTimeTorch, sorry but i dont understand that, ive seen like 4 previews when hovering over 1 app12:16
delightPeace-: the only issue i had up till now is the the "User Management" in systemsettings is not working any longer12:17
Peace-printer stuff?12:17
Peace-is everything all right for printers on systems settings?12:17
delightPeace-: don't know about printer12:17
Peace-systemsettigns----->Printers12:18
Peace-on lucid was messed up12:18
delightyes :-D12:18
Peace-mmm12:18
* Peace- wants upgrade... but he is scared12:18
delightsystemsettings "user management" is not even working on lucid12:18
oxymoronTorch: Do you know how luckybackup works btw? Its a frontend for rsync I have been told by Adept, but I wonder is it possible to run it in the background? I want to sync my home folder with an backupfolder, almost like RAID and Dropbox :P When I change something in home folder the backup folder and rsync should notice :P12:18
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delightPeace-: printer settings looks fine12:19
Peace-delight: thank you mate12:19
delightPeace-: but i only got the pdf printer configured12:19
Torchoxymoron: i know it's a frontend for rsync. i looked at the sources once. then i decided it didn't want to use it ;-)12:19
delightPeace-: the other "issue" i had is that it still shows me the old splash screen on login ... but I updated to karmic machines ... it only happens on one of them ... don't know how to fix it12:20
oxymoronTorch: Haha LOL :P But is it possible to cronify rsync? :P I dont know exactly how these things works.12:20
delightPeace-: you rather update on konsole ... my X crashed/restarted on update12:20
delightPeace-: on terminal Ctlr+Alt+F112:20
Peace-delight: mmm i heard that12:20
oxymorondelight: My x ONLY crashed even in terminal :D12:21
Peace-on lucid i got the same crash on X delight12:21
Peace-upgradign i mean12:21
Torchoxymoron: i have a daily cron job running rsync, yes.12:21
oxymoronTorch: How do I setup that?12:21
delightyes the machine that crashed shows me the old splash screen now ...12:21
delightbesides that i got it all fixed12:22
Torchoxymoron: there should be quite a number of tutorials somewhere on the web12:22
oxymoronTorch: What do I search for on Google then? :P12:22
delightkinda annoying ... but I coudn't find a way to fix it12:22
Torchoxymoron: "rsync backup" maybe? ;-)12:22
oxymoronTorch: I havent been lucky when I searched on Google last time to do backup and crons :P12:22
* buckfast updated to KDE4.4 and it hasn't crashed yet (not too bad at least)12:23
Torchoxymoron: the cron part is simple12:23
Peace-thank you all12:23
Peace-bye bye12:23
Peace-:D12:23
Peace-peace and love lol12:23
delightbuckfast: we just ment that X was crashing on the update procedure ... not X crashing after12:23
buckfasthad some dependency errors during the upgrade to kde4.4, managed to get by them by using '-f'12:24
oxymoronTorch: Its possible to run bash scripts and cron, just add them in systemsettings and advanced tab somewhere :P12:24
buckfastafter the upgrade I had 2 panels, one on top of the other :/12:25
oxymoronTorch: But is it possible in someway syncronize the directories so "on change", update backup folder to the new? :P12:25
delightbuckfast: -f is IMHO not such a good idea ... rather wait for a better update or workaround it by solving conflicts12:25
Torchoxymoron: yes, with fam for example.12:26
delightbuckfast: i got the 2 panel thing too ... + my network manager dialog shows up on the upper left corner instead of over the networkmanager icon12:26
buckfastdelight: That's what I thought and I'm a bit worried, but so far everything seems to work12:26
Torchoxymoron: or dnotify. or inotify. or whatever's kewl these days.12:26
Torchoxymoron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_alteration_monitor12:27
kaddihow do I disable the bluetooth connection? I don't want it to run by default on boot12:27
anirudhguys.. typing :() { :|: & };: in the shell causes a crash. any way to prevent this?12:27
anirudhas in12:27
delightbuckfast: is your network manager dialog @ the right place ?12:27
ikoniaanirudh: do not post that again12:27
ikonia!danger12:27
ubottuDO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you!12:27
anirudhkill the process after initiation? (jsut for knowledge)12:27
anirudhyes i know its dangerous.. i want to know how to prevent it12:28
ikoniaanirudh: it's a fork bomb, don't use it12:28
ikoniaanirudh: don't type iot12:28
ikoniait12:28
oxymoronTorch: What does that mean for a dummy like me? :D Is there any Backup in Linux for Dummies somewhere? :D I just want a finished bash script and tada :D12:28
ikoniathat's how to prevent it12:28
FloodBotK1ikonia: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.12:28
anirudhok12:28
Torchoxymoron: i don't have that for you, sorry. google for it or learn to write it yourself.12:29
delightanyone here who knows how i can fix my splash screen ? it still shows up the older oxygen splash screen of kde 4.3 (the ones with the bubbles)12:29
delightkinda feels out of the place12:30
oxymoronTorch: yes I am googling but it takes time to find something "good". I dont want any reference, I just want some finished code that just works :D12:30
Torchdelight: in systemsettings, too?12:30
delightTorch: have tryed that12:30
oxymoronTorch: Yeah I am lazy sometimes :D But I can programming my own web frameworks and websites though :D12:30
buckfastdelight: I think I had some network manager thing in the tray, it was on the same place as before the upgrade.12:30
buckfastRemoved it though, as I dont need it there12:30
Torchdelight: no, the question is, does it show the old one there as well?12:30
delightTorch: the preview picture of the standad splash screen is the right one ... but when i click on test design it comes up with the ols splash screen12:31
delightswitching it does not help .. i could not find the place where the splash screen is placed12:32
buckfastkde 4.3.2 theme was better than 4.4.0 IMO12:32
Torchdelight: it's part of kdebase-workspace-data12:33
Torchdelight: check if this package is installed correctly and up to date12:33
delightTorch: thank you I will investigate that ;)12:33
delightTorch: looks good on the first look but I'll check the installed files too 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa712:34
Torchdelight: the new one should be here: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default12:34
Torchdelight: you could also check if you have any files under $HOME/.kde/share/apps/ksplash12:35
Torchdelight: if you do, remove them12:35
buckfastdelight: Even though I used the -f option on upgrade, apt-get check doesnt give any dependancy errors12:37
kaddihow do I disable the bluetooth connection? I don't want it to run by default on boot12:38
delightTorch: in my /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default the background.png for 600x400, 800x600 and 1024x768 are 0Byte ... is this normal ... besides that only the 1600x1200 got the ractangle and icon pngs12:40
delighti got 1680*1050 as a resolution ... wonder which version kde pics :-D12:41
oxymoronTorch: Btw, one question why does my HDD only transfer files in under 20 MB/S, isnt it possible to like speed it up to 100 MB/S12:46
oxymoronTorch: i guess it has something todo with NTFS vs etx3 ...12:49
oxymoronTorch: Do I need luckyBackup open to work with cron?12:59
Torchoxymoron: re the speed: 100 mb is theoretical, in practice 20 mb isn't uncommon (with peaks higher, though)13:02
Torchoxymoron: the filesystem shouldn't matter that much, they're all pretty fast these days for large file transfers13:02
Torchoxymoron: no idea, i don't know much about luckybackup13:03
Torchoxymoron: cron however does not need it, of course13:03
oxymoronTorch: I would like transfer 4.4 GB movie images more fast and specially I want to unpack rar archives faster :P I mean the file transfer speed localy on my computer is the same speed as I download files on the web ... that is ironic :D13:04
oxymoronTorch: I am not sure if it works, but I cronjobed luckyBackup so it maybe works later on :)13:04
ToxinPoweI have problems with Kaffeine when I try to change tv channels, any help plz? :/13:05
oxymoronTorch: Not sure what is what though with the file transfers :P is it NTFS, my hardrives is old, Unix/Linux, Kubuntu and so on :P13:05
Torchoxymoron: usually it's just the drive not being as fast as one hopes it would be.13:05
oxymoronTorch: Should be possible to at least get 50 MB/S transfer rate.13:05
oxymoronTorch: In theory SATA2 support 2-300 MB/S I think, but in the practical matter it just seems to be like 1 percent of it :D I dont need superhigh transfers, but around 50 MB/S would be nice :)13:07
oxymoronTorch: Not sure with SSD though, but I have not enough money to use SSD 1.5 TB :D13:07
Torchoxymoron: pastebin the output of sudo hdparm -t -T <your disk, e.g. /dev/sda>13:08
Torchi'm afk now, though... lunch.13:08
oxymoronTorch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375462/ - sda is SATA1 OS disk (Bad I know), sdb and sdc SATA2 storage disks13:11
remaximhi13:15
remaximare there actually KDE 4.4 sources for jaunty?13:17
Torchoxymoron: these values are fine.13:30
SummerTimewhich cd iso burner program should i use to burn kubuntu to a cd? im on windows atm13:32
SummerTimeand suddenly its quiet >.<13:35
remaximSummerTime, explain what you mean with suddenly :P ... try imgburn I guess (if I remember the name right)13:38
SummerTimeok thx13:38
SummerTime1 more question: if i download kub 9.10, will it have kde 4.4 or 4.3?13:43
frodolegginshi all, is there a news about a ppa with openoffice 3.2???13:47
remaximSummerTime, 4.3 with 4.4 in the repository AFAIK ...13:48
SummerTimealright13:49
SummerTimeand what do i have to do if i dont have a cd to burn it to? >.<13:49
BluesKajhowdy13:57
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oxymoronTorch: Define fine? :P14:04
oxymoronBluesKaj: Hi there :)14:12
oxymoronIs it possible to change the look of the panel bar?14:13
Flashtekgood god it's crowded in here..14:15
BluesKaj oxymoron ,yes in system settings themes , I think14:15
BluesKajbut it changes your apps and file-look as well14:16
oxymoronBluesKaj: I mean just not only the theme like air, oxygen and so on, I moslty thought the layout, I want rounded corners and make it centered and so on :P14:16
BluesKajoxymoron, Im probly the wrong guy to ask14:17
AhoxHi, how do I tell kpackagekit that it should not use a proxy?14:17
BluesKajoxymoron, those options are all there I'm sure, just look around14:18
Ahoxkpackagekit throws an Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kde4libs/kdelibs5_4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2_amd64.deb 407 Proxy Authentication Required at me...14:19
InvaderZimI'm installing kde 4.4 though the ppa. When Lucid is out, what will happen? Will all the packages need to be downloaded again, or what?14:20
AhoxInvaderZim,  yes, because the packages will be most likely be updatet14:21
InvaderZimSo it won't break, I'll eventually get the "official" non ppa kde 4.4 package right?14:22
BluesKajInvaderZim, yes, updates will take care of it and all other pkges you have installed from the repos14:27
InvaderZimnice... ok thanks!14:27
mefiXhey guys. i just installed kde (kubuntu-desktop packeg) on an ubuntu-system, everything works fine, except one annoying thing: ALT+F1 is not working, in a konsole the shortcut creates a "P"14:40
mefiXi've got "evdev managed keyboard" selected in region settings14:40
pucko-what is alt+f1 supposed to do?14:46
oxymoronhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kde4.4+alternative?content=120114 - This should everyone has :D14:57
m44buenas tardes14:57
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ToxinPoweoxymoron: yes, it's good15:02
oxymoronToxinPowe: :)15:03
oxymoronDoes somebody know what this theme is: http://everaldo.com/crystal/images/Crystal_firefox.jpg? Except the icons, I want IT NOW! :D15:08
sourcemakerDesktop Search (Strigi) is not working... error mesage: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject - No such object path '/org/soprano/Server'"15:11
sourcemaker"Unsupported operation (2)": "Invalid model"15:12
sourcemakerKDE 4.415:12
ToxinPowevery stupid where is the shuffle botton on amarok2?15:14
oxymoronhttp://everaldo.com/crystal/images/screen1.jpg - If someone know how to get that theme, PM me fast as you can :P15:15
ToxinPowenevermind15:15
oxymoronhttp://everaldo.com/crystal/images/Crystal_Desktop.jpg *15:16
pucko-sourcemaker, I think you should probably use the virtuoso backend instead (in virtuoso-nepomuk package). not sure why soprano breaks on upgrade though. happened here too15:17
ToxinPoweit's beatiful15:17
sourcemakerpucko-: so remove all soprano packages?15:18
pucko-sourcemaker, I just installed virtuoso-nepomuk, and strigi automatically found it and converted the db to it15:19
Mamarokoxymoron: install kde-icons-crystal and kwin-style-crystal15:19
sourcemakerpucko-: ok thanks15:19
oxymoronMamarok: Holy fuck, thank you very much! :)15:20
somekooli got plasma working under 4.4 but krunner still crash É15:20
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oxymoronMamarok: And how do I enable it? :) It sorted out I already got them :P15:21
Mamarok!language | oxymoron15:21
ubottuoxymoron: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.15:21
Mamarokoxymoron: in the System Settings -> Appearance15:21
oxymoronMamarok: Thank you :) Oh sorry, my language ...15:22
Fishloveri just bought a CD-R of 700MB to burn kubuntu 9.10, is that enough?15:23
MamarokFishlover: that should be enough, yes15:24
Fishlovercheers15:24
oxymoronMamarok: Do you know how to setup to get exactly the same look as posted above? :)15:25
sourcemakerpucko-: packaged installed... but the problem remains15:26
oxymoronSeriously my desktop finally is going to look awesome :P15:26
Mamarokoxymoron: not really, no, you will ave to try, and of course restart KDE to have it work15:26
Fishloveroh wait, i installed Active@ ISO Burner, and i got an error of compatibility or so, but the installwizard said its installed succesfully15:26
oxymoronMamarok: How do you restart KDE? And shouldnt it show directly if you apply?15:26
Mamarokoxymoron: log out15:27
oxymoronMamarok: Alright, thanks will try out :)15:27
FishloverMamarok, ?15:28
ToxinPoweMamarok: Can you tell me where I can set the  kwin-style-crystal?15:29
MamarokToxinPowe: see above my answer to oxymoron15:29
Mamarokin the SystemSettings15:30
ToxinPoweups, sry15:30
ToxinPoweok t15:30
oxymoronMamarok: Thank you, it looks freaking awesome now :) I just havent figure out yet how to get that style as posted above :P15:30
MamarokFishlover: I didn't follow, sorry15:30
Fishloveri installed Active@ ISO Burner, and i got an error of compatibility or so, but the installwizard said its installed succesfully15:30
Mamarokoxymoron: well, try changing stuff in the Appearance15:30
MamarokFishlover: I don't know that application, sorry15:31
oxymoronMamarok: I am, but I cant figure out how to get that black and grey perfect combo to get crystal clear aweseomeness :P15:31
RelookNAmorning15:31
Mamarokoxymoron: neither do I, ask Everaldo on http://kde-look.org15:31
Fishloverok15:31
oxymoronMamarok: Thank you :)15:31
RelookNACan somebody help me get my audio back to my Desktop speakers?15:32
RelookNAI can watch videos just cannot hear them :)15:33
RelookNAdunno where to look15:33
MamarokRelookNA: check the Kmix settings: in the SysTray,right click on the loudspeaker icon and go to the mixer. Check if no channel is muted15:34
RelookNAtks15:34
RelookNAI shoud have a loudspeaker in the bottom sys tray?15:35
RelookNAk, better add that first :)15:35
Mamarokyes, maybe it is hidden, click on the small arrow on the left of the SysTray15:36
Darkrift2I cannot figure out how to get icons in the quick launch widget15:37
Darkrift2before i could drag them, now i have to browse15:37
Fishlovercan someone help  me with downloading kubuntu plz?15:38
MamarokFishlover: see the first link in the channel topic :)15:38
Fishloveryes but i dont understand15:39
Mamarokclik on it and follow the link to the download15:39
Fishloverwhich release: normal or netbook version? -> normal15:40
Fishloverbut then...15:40
Fishloverwhich type of pc?15:40
MamarokFishlover: what computer do you have?15:40
Fishloveri have x86, but my proc isnt listed in it15:41
d_edyou want desktop x8615:41
d_edStandard Personal Computer15:41
d_edit'll work15:41
Fishloverok, and then, location, there are 4 but idk the closest one15:42
d_edyes15:42
Fishlover?15:42
Fishloverive chosen randomly out of the 415:44
d_edyeah, any is fine15:44
Fishloverthen it says: Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.15:44
Fishlovershould i fill that box with a sort of V sign or leave it empty?15:44
d_edleave it empty15:45
Fishloverok15:45
Fishloverthx :)15:45
ubuntui have a partitioning issue15:45
Fishlover682MB :O, thats very close to 700MB :O15:46
ubuntuwhen i try to install from live disk to my 1.5tb raid0 it will not let me do anything but take over full disk15:46
harolddonganybody been having problems with kopete since upgrading to 4.4?  I open it, it starts to sign in, asks for passwords to a couple of accounts that it wont save for some reason and then crashes.  There is not even a crash reporter or anything it just vanishes.  The changes I've made recently are upgrading to 4.4 and setting up the jabber facebook account in it.15:49
RelookNAMamarok: my trashcan is always visible, but nothing to the left of it except my opened tabs.. I checdked in add widget, but no such widget15:50
Peace-harolddong: have you renamed your old $HOME/.kde15:50
harolddongno15:51
RelookNAMamarok: and I have no arrows hiding anything there15:51
Peace-harolddong: a lots of time when i upgraded kde  to solve my problem i have just renamed that folder15:52
MamarokRelookNA: did you right-click on it?15:52
MamarokRelookNA: by default I have 3 launchers already15:52
RelookNAwhen I right-click I get panel options15:53
Mamarokon the extreme right, right next to the cashew, you should see 3 buttons15:53
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harolddongI did already wipe the old kopete settings files specifically once though. That worked for a little while but ts doing it again.  I'm really I can figure out a simpler fix because backing up and restoring pim settings and histories after renaming/deleting any profile folders is reeealllly cumbersome15:54
harolddong*really hoping15:55
RelookNAMamarok: http://www.quickfilepost.com/download.do?get=519bfeb9974a6c505fcd5ed52c7af74515:56
RelookNAsnapshot of what my desktop currently looks like15:56
MamarokRelookNA: there is indeed no launcher, how did you add it?15:57
RelookNAadd what?  :)15:58
MamarokRelookNA: the Launcher16:00
RelookNAI do not have a launcher that I see16:00
RelookNAall I can do is right-click to see panel options16:01
MamarokRelookNA: well, you said you did add the Quicklauncher, obviously you didn't16:01
FishloverWTF??????? the iso file was downloading and it was at 79MB and suddenly its fully downloaded????? :S16:02
RelookNAah, I got it now, tks!16:02
RelookNAdoh!16:02
Mamarokclick on the cashew next to the trashcan, then add widget, search for WQuicklauncher and double click on it adds it to the panel16:02
MamarokFishlover: please do not shout and watch your language16:02
Fishloverok sorry, but whats ur thought on it?16:03
Fishloverthe file is called "kubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso" so its the right one :o16:04
BluesKajFishlover, right click on the iso choose propertied , check the size versus the size given on the DL page16:06
BluesKajproperties16:06
harolddongokay not only is koete crashing itself but it's crashing plasma. it was working fine just a few hours ago.  I don't get it16:06
Fishlover86.7 MB16:06
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Fishloverwoah, i got scammed!16:07
MamarokFishlover: download it form another mirror then16:08
Fishloveri chose another location yeah16:08
Fishloveroops, i started downloading and i forgot to delete the bad one, the one im downloading now is "kubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386(1).iso" right?16:10
RelookNAtks for your patience with me Mamarok!   U-rock Mamarok !16:10
vbgunzFishlover: you have only a 32 bit processor?16:10
MamarokRelookNA: you are welcome :)16:10
Fishloveryes vbgunz :(16:10
vbgunzFishlover: thats the one you want16:11
Fishloveri know16:11
Fishloverur a bit late :p16:11
vbgunzamd64 is for 64bit processors only intel or amd, etc16:11
vbgunzI just got in16:11
vbgunzI still have a problem with nepomuk, anyone know whats up with the nepomuk agent disabled?16:12
rmrfslashSomeone should make plasmoid dev bindings for PHP16:12
Fishlovermy device manager says i have 2 processors, so i have a core 2 duo? or dualcore?16:12
harolddonghm. I figure out my kopete crashing problem. kopete was set to save the passwords but kwaller never saved the pass to the facebook/jabber account.  I manually out it in and now no more crashes.16:16
harolddongyay16:16
harolddong*put16:16
kuseAfter I added the kubuntu backports ppa to get kde 4.4, im getting thrown out to console on every package update, why is that?16:17
harolddongthey were updating kdm a bunch right after the release. and that can kill you graphics16:19
harolddongtill you reboot16:20
harolddongif I'm understanding you correctly16:20
harolddongthe last kdm update that would have caused that issue on install was yesterday for me16:20
kusegot mine 1 min ago16:20
harolddongahh havent ehcked yet today16:21
harolddong*checkd16:21
harolddongwell that'swhat it is.  they borked the packes this time and are slowing fixing them16:21
yuriyhow do I turn off the drag window to the top of the screen to maximize it behavior in 4.4? I can't find the option16:22
harolddongits probably a good idea, if you see there are kdm updates, to just cancel and do a console login to update.  that's what I do. that way I can actually see it and make sure the update finishes before I reboot16:23
kuseah k ty for the tip :)16:24
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harolddongyuriy> it'sinn system settings/desktop/screen edges16:26
iconmefistoyuriy: systemsettings > desktop > screen edges. untick "maximize windows by dragging them to the top of the screen"16:26
yuriyharolddong, iconmefisto thanks, glossed right over that16:27
harolddongI sorta like that function but sometimes it can get in the way16:28
yuriyit's been rather annoying. i almost never want maximized windows on a 1920x1200 screen and it makes it difficult to drag them to the top16:28
harolddongyeah it's probably not for you then16:29
zubin71hi i just got this notification saying that there are a few bugs that need to be patched ; when i clicked review and patch it tried connecting via a proxy i had set a long time back;  how do i change that option?16:42
zubin71would running apt-get do the same?16:44
zubin71thankx in advance!16:44
oxymoronI want to resize the app launcher logo in the bottom left corner, how do I do?16:47
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charles__bonjoour17:03
charles__pk tout le monde parle ac des messages bizarre17:04
Tm_T!fr | charles__17:04
ubottucharles__: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois17:04
Tm_Tuh, and hi all17:05
charles__hi17:05
charles__anybody knows how to install a package on kubuntu17:06
Tm_Tcharles__: depends on package17:07
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Peace-charles__: right click open with gdebi ?17:09
Peace-charles__: sudo dpkg -i PATH/package.deb?17:09
chisel_is this the right chan to config a joystick to kubuntu?17:09
chisel_logitech attack 3. i've done sudo apt-get joystick thus far17:10
chisel_i'm trying to play flight gear, but my puter doesn't see the joystick. what should i do?17:12
iconmefistochisel_: systemsettings > keyboard & mouse > joystick17:12
chisel_i'll check that out, brb17:12
chisel_ok, the cursor tracks the joystick. but device manager isn't chiming up that i've plugged it iin. should that bother me or no?17:14
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chisel_iconmefisto: i've callibrated the joystick. is there any other precaution i should take at this time?17:20
ubuntu_hi17:22
chisel_hiya17:22
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Fishloverwhich mathsprogram has the most options and such, shortly said: the best, it has to run on linux17:32
Exilantthe best program is probably mathematica17:33
Exilantbut that costs $$$17:33
Fishloverand is that free?17:33
Fishloverit has to be free too :p17:33
Exilantsage is also cool, and also expensive17:33
Exilantfree, hm. try octave for matrix calculations17:34
Exilantgnuplot is great for visualizing stuff and nonlinear least-squares17:34
Exilantyacas(?), haven't used it in a while, is a symbolic math program17:35
Exilantand then of course there's wolfram alpha17:36
Fishloveralright thx17:40
Fishloverkubuntu is just finished downloading ^^17:40
varisiteewhich is the best command line client for IRC17:45
KubuAIciao17:45
nOStahlhey guys i just installed kubuntu on my eeepc 901 the netbook version and ran updates to get kde 4.4 boots up to blackscreen17:46
nOStahlbut i can do alt-f2 to get konsole access and such. how do i fix this17:47
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apparlehi17:55
harolddongn0Stahl> its updating kdm so its killing the graphics. restart do a console login to finish the update17:57
Darkrift2ok, so i have 2 kubuntu 9.x laptops side by side. how would i network them using a cat5 cable?17:58
inclementDarkrift2: If it's a crossover cable, just plug one in at each end, AFAIK18:02
inclementKubuntu will likely just do the right thing18:02
mcguireHi everybody, I want to start to help development of Kubuntu specific software (programming, not packaging), could someone point me to the right documentation/wiki page that explain from where to checkout code, ...  I've only found https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development#Programming which is not really helpful in this case. Sorry if I missed something.18:04
Darkrift2someone earlier said crossover cables arent needed these days :18:04
Darkrift2damn18:04
Darkrift2screw it, im using a usb hd18:04
nOStahlharolddong so hit alt-f2 and open konsole? then what18:04
Guest54206Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.1018:08
LinusTDarkrift2: As long as one side is a gigabit ethernet port, crossover isn't needed (but it is acceptable).18:11
kaddi_ #ubuntu-irc-helpers18:13
kaddi_oups18:13
kaddi_18:13
kaddi_:p18:13
nOStahlhey guys i just updated to 4.4 how do i let it finish the update18:14
harolddongyou have to restart18:14
nOStahli have restarted several times18:14
harolddongI mean the update is still going even though you can't see anything. if its been running this tie it might be done anyway18:15
harolddongjust restart18:15
nOStahlk hit alt-f2 pulled up konsole and typed sudo halt18:16
nOStahlthen hit powerbutton after it shut down and its rebooting now18:16
nOStahlkdm loads up fine18:17
Fishloversorry that i gotta complain here about something on windows, but the chatroom which im in was gonna help and they turned silent now :@, so: who can help me with imgburn?18:17
nOStahlstill going to black screen though18:17
nOStahli hear the startup sound18:17
nOStahland see a cursor, and kde wallet asks for password to log into wifi18:17
mcguireanybody to answer to my simple (but long) question? I just want a link.18:20
esdanielmcguire: at launchpad you can find the teams for stuff, find riddle and he'll point you in right direction18:21
Tm_Tmcguire: to get involved, join #kubuntu-devel18:22
mcguireI've posted the same question on #kubuntu-devel but it appears that nobody is reading messages although a lot of people are connected18:24
mcguireesdaniel: launchpad.net ?18:24
MuffinPimpis there an alternitive to seahorse for KDE?18:25
MuffinPimpFor OpenSSH keys?18:25
esdanielmcguire: https://launchpad.net/~jr18:27
esdanielmcguire: email him and he'll give you the right info plus there's a uk kde mailing list, 2 secs18:27
esdanielmcguire: have a gander of this lot and pick one to announce your intentions: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo18:28
mcguireesdaniel: thanks a lot18:29
esdanielmcguire: damn thing is not up to date, use this: http://lists.quaker.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-en-gb18:30
esdanielmcguire: translators know the devs rather well and will point you towards someone18:31
mcguireesdaniel: ok18:31
esdanielmcguire: riddle is best bet though18:31
esdanielmcguire: say hi to them here: #kubuntu-devel ;-)18:32
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nOStahli cant figure how to finish the upgrade to 4.418:41
nOStahlnot finding anything online18:41
mcguirenOStahl: have you tried somethink like "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"18:42
nOStahlaye18:42
nOStahl0 files to upgrade18:42
mcguirenOStahl: what made you think that update is not finished?18:43
nOStahlother person here said it wasnt and thats why the graphics were being kicked off18:44
nOStahlinstalled 9.10 kubuntu then enabled the ppa and did dist-upgrade18:44
nOStahland rebooted when it was complete18:44
nOStahlgoes through kdm and then black screen now18:44
mefiXcan anyone here recommend an id3-tag editor?18:46
mcguireok, it's a problem with settings in ~/.kde folder, reboot your computer, don't log to kdm, go to console using ctrl-alt-f1, log in, do "mv .kde .kde_old", go login in kdm using ctrl-alt-f7 (or f8 maybe), KDE should start with initial settings18:47
mcguirenOStahl: let me know if it works (... or not)18:48
nOStahlstill blackscreen18:52
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mcguiremefiX: Amarok, kid3, id3, id3v2, id3ren, id3tool18:54
buckfastHow do I set a media key to open Amarok?18:56
esdanielnOStahl: did you flick the dist-upgrade switch?18:57
nOStahlwhats that18:57
esdanielnOStahl: aptitude dist-upgrade18:58
nOStahlsays 0 packages to upgrade18:59
esdanielnOStahl: probably worth mv plasmarc and then seeing if you can get in19:00
nOStahlplasmarc is where19:00
esdanielnOStahl: configs are in $home/.kde/share/config/  - backup with "mv", use "rm" to del and then try again19:01
esdanielnOStahl: rm the plasma configs inc the desktopappletrc and so on then if that doesn't work we need to take a closer look19:04
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shadeslayeranyone have chrome/chromium and is a facebook user?19:17
Peace-shadeslayer:luckly no19:19
shadeslayerPeace-: hehe... well theres this strange bug.. chrome on windows runs zynga poker fine but chrome on kubuntu cant load any table lists19:20
Peace-dunno man19:21
Peace-i use konqueror19:21
Peace-xD19:21
Peace-just to understand how much i use browsing xD19:21
shadeslayerPeace-: hmm can you check it out in konqueror? ( if you use fb )19:21
MuffinPimpshadeslayer: I use chromium19:22
Peace-shadeslayer: page?19:22
shadeslayerMuffinPimp: yeah it doesnt work in chromium too...19:22
MuffinPimpLet me see19:22
MuffinPimpshadeslayer: It looks fine to me19:25
MuffinPimpshadeslayer_: It looks fine to me19:25
shadeslayer_um... well this is the link : http://apps.facebook.com/texas_holdem/index.php?19:26
shadeslayer_if anyone wants to try it out in chromium or chrome... or for that matter konqueror19:26
MuffinPimpWell it looks fine in chromium-daily19:27
shadeslayer_the problem is that the lists dont appear19:28
MuffinPimpshadeslayer_: I see what you mean19:32
MuffinPimpohh he left19:33
vbgunzI finally fixed my nepomuk problem. to fix it was crazy though but probably well worth it. I simply moved my .kde/share/config to .kde/share/config in tty1 and redid all my KDE 4.4 configs. not for the faint of heart. it also fixed my window grouping. I had configs in there for years. took about 2 hours to get most of my desktop back to the way I like it19:41
vbgunzI moved it to .kde/share/config__backup/  :/19:42
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vbgunzKDE 4.4 really seems to chug along compared to 4.3.5. one of things I looked forward to most was one of the things KDE 4.4 touted and that was improved all around performance :/19:48
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tim__how do I zero a drive if it has errors?19:52
MuffinPimpUmm I upgraded to kde4.4 and there are duplicates of everything. How do I reset KDE so that it's like it was when I first installed kubuntu?19:54
vbgunzMuffinPimp: dupes? you mean dupe plasma widgets?19:55
MuffinPimpyes19:55
MuffinPimpLike 2 panels19:55
MWisBestOk, I'm a little frustrated. Synaptic and a few other programs don't use my KDE4.4 themes.19:57
vbgunzI had the same issue and I just deleted the dupes19:57
MuffinPimpmeh that works19:57
MWisBestSynaptic and some other programs look like they're running in Win98, it's ugly.19:58
vbgunzMuffinPimp: sort of sucks. makes you think something wrong. at least thats what I thought but it seemed to work19:59
MWisBestI want them to use the Air theme I have.19:59
MWisBestThanks for the "help". I'll go check in the #ubuntu room and see what they say.20:00
MuffinPimpYeah20:00
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aze_qlq parle le français ici?20:11
Flutiju`Moi20:11
aze_enfin20:11
Flutiju`!fr20:11
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois20:11
Flutiju`:p20:11
aze_je peux te parlé en priv20:12
bbigrasnon tu ne peux pas20:14
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FangzHey, is anyone using kubuntu with wubi on W7?20:16
Benkinoobyhi, does anybody know a good german proxy20:26
Benkinoobyi know it is off-topic, but from experience i know there are some germans around... i am staying in switzerland (i am german) and want to use the ard-olympia-live-stream.20:27
berserkerHay Did anyone get the kde 4.4 to work20:58
berserker?20:58
ilumion kopete msn, i try to download files from other users, i click on download (i guess that is accept) but it doesnt download20:59
ilumiany ideas, do i need to open any ports on the router?20:59
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berserkerHay Did anyone get the kde 4.4 update to work? when I try it, it seems to kill my plasma shell21:04
ian__leave21:16
claydoh bambule hello :)21:43
claydohbambule: you may need to unlock widgets - right-click on the panel somewhere and look for panel options21:46
claydohand actually the option to remove it is there as well :)21:46
Darkrift2wait, wy is only 3g of my 4g of ram recognized? I thought linux could handle the full 4g21:47
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bambuleclaydoh: ahh, unlocking first was the key the success. thank you!21:49
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Midnight_OwlHey all my sounds not working when i click on the sound icon i get this, No volume control ("GStreamer plugins and/or devices found") - any ideas of what i could do?21:55
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lukefeilhi21:59
lukefeili need a way to test the akonadi-state in a script21:59
lukefeili tried  "pgrep akonaditray" but there's a positiv answer even when akonadi isn't running22:00
lukefeildoes someone know a command22:01
lukefeil?22:01
Midnight_OwlLooks like i got to reinstall my ALSA drivers >_<22:03
KindergartenHow do I setup when i enter a wrong password using sudo to insult me :D22:18
koltrollGuys, everytime I log into KDE I need to "Resume Compositing". Any idea on why that is? It's really annoying since I use gnome-do as dock, and it won't start if compositing isn't activated.22:18
ali_alkalihi22:20
koltrolltho I must say kde 4.4 kicks ass.22:22
m100hi horses22:37
m100hallo stupid22:37
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mhido55bsr all22:47
Fangzhow do I get wubi to install a 64bit version of kubuntu?22:49
shane_what happened to partimage in the kubuntu repositories?22:51
mauriis there a way to start a disto (ie kubuntu) not from root but from a folder?.......22:54
shane_mauri: how do you mean?22:56
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izzybmauri: you want to boot to a subdirectory of the root system?22:57
mauriizzyb: yes22:57
mauriin order to have entire distro not in the root partition ma in its subfolder...is it possiible22:58
izzybhmm, what are you trying to accomplish?  I think it can be done, but I'm confused as to why you'd want to22:59
frodolegginshy all, is there someone that may help me with a internet key?22:59
frodolegginsi've a vodafone key that don't work22:59
frodolegginsi've tried different ways23:00
frodolegginswithout results23:00
mauriizzyb: are you there23:00
izzybyes23:01
* izzyb checking grub config23:01
mauriizzyb: is my question stupid?23:01
mauriizzyb: probably is not possible to do it23:02
izzybwell, depends on what you're trying to do23:02
izzybI seem to recall there is a linux kernal param that lets you set the root partition, not sure if it lets you set it to a path inside it23:02
* izzyb is checking23:02
mauriizzyb: just move entire kubuntu folders (boot/bin etc) into a single one23:03
mauriizzyb: and after boot grub from that folder23:03
humbertohi23:03
izzybmauri: I'm not sure I follow why you want to do this.  I know you can chroot after boot to change your root folder23:05
izzyband if done in initrd you'd get what you're asking fore23:05
mauriizzyb: do you know where  ican find a documentation in order to do this23:06
mauriim not an expert23:06
izzybhmm, this isn't something you'd want to do if you aren't an expert.  its likely it'll break all kinds of things23:07
izzybI'd suggest starting with the linuxfromscratch project if it's still around23:07
izzybit explains the boot process of linux quite well.23:07
mauriizzyb: dont worry.... i will strong23:07
* izzyb looks for a link23:07
izzybhttp://www.linuxfromscratch.org/23:08
izzybmauri: I think that'll get you started.23:09
mauriizzyb: thanks a lot even if i know that it will not easy23:09
izzybmauri: well, it will teach you about the bootup process for linux and how to manipulate it23:10
mauriizzyb: tnk again23:10
izzybnp, hope it helps.23:11
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izzybanyone know what happened to partimage in the repositories?23:12
olskolircdo we have a new kubuntu release coming soon or anything please?23:13
nonameNNhey all23:14
nonameNNi have a question, can i disable wallpaper change effect? and if possible how?23:15
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izzybolskolirc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases23:16
izzybolskolirc: next release not due until April23:16
olskolircthanks izzyb23:16
izzybolskolirc: np23:17
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izzybnonameNN: You mean you want to prevent chaning the wallpaper?23:18
nonameNNizzyb: nope, i dont want the "effect" i want to change them but not with the transition effect23:19
izzybnonameNN: sorry, not sure how...23:20
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