[00:00] <[GuS]> Torch: and is the only thing that works bad
[00:00] <[GuS]> others simbols like ñ are ok
[00:00] <Torch> oxymoron: i know what you mean. on the other hand, you should not have updated to 4.4 if you really want stability.
[00:00] <rmrfslash> i.e. you enter your uname/passwd, then when you hit enter it flips to some grey wallpaper with white bubbles on it. Looks a bit sloppy. Can I switch this? Is there some directory with wallpapers for the login process?
[00:01] <Torch> rmrfslash: there's a kdm theme and there's there's the login theme and there's the wallpaper you use for your user
[00:01] <Torch> rmrfslash: if all three match you get a "clean" look.
[00:01] <Torch> rmrfslash: if you upgraded from 4.3 chances are they don't match ;-9
[00:02] <rmrfslash> So I suppose I can configure this in Appearance Settings
[00:03] <rmrfslash> OK... in Manager for Splash Screen Themes if I click on Default and hit test theme... this is the splash screen I'm talking about
[00:03] <rmrfslash> it's inconsistent
[00:03] <Torch> rmrfslash: what do you mean?
[00:03] <rmrfslash> the "thumbnail" shows something completely different
[00:04] <Torch> rmrfslash: then your install is maybe broken.
[00:04] <oxymoron> Torch: But KDE 4.3 was more unstable than 4.4 was so dont mock my decisions :P
[00:04] <Torch> oxymoron: hmm. 4.3 was rock stable for me the last six months.
[00:04] <rmrfslash> System Settings > Appearance > Splash Screen
[00:04] <oxymoron> Torch: Not for me.
[00:04] <rmrfslash> wdym it's broken
[00:04] <Torch> rmrfslash: alright, and default shows the 4.4 splash screen.
[00:05] <oxymoron> Torch: Crashes once here and there :P
[00:05] <Torch> rmrfslash: nothing inconsistant so far.
[00:05] <rmrfslash> no... shows 4.3
[00:05] <Torch> rmrfslash: then you didn't properly upgrade to 4.,4
[00:05] <rmrfslash> impossible
[00:05] <rmrfslash> I used aptitude
[00:05] <macintux> Touchfreeze doesn't work with my MacbookPro, It shows me typing/stop typing in konsole but does not stop the touchpad, though it will disable it if you check disable. Can someone help?
[00:05] <rmrfslash> it's not like I build 4.4 from source
[00:06] <oxymoron> Torch: I just wonder, is Kubuntu the best desktop environment for KDE? :P *buntu is good and widely accepted but wonder about other ones :P
[00:06] <rmrfslash> This was a problem when I upgraded from 4.3.5 too, I had some blue bubbly splash screen
[00:06] <rmrfslash> now it's grey
[00:07] <rmrfslash> the actual login screen has the right "theme"
[00:07] <rmrfslash> then it switches to the splash screen which is the wrong one
[00:07] <rmrfslash> it's not like this is a big deal, I could really give two sh*ts about a splash screen. just wondering if it's easy to fix
[00:08] <rmrfslash> if it's not then something is broke
[00:10] <vbgunz> rmrfslash: yeah you can change that
[00:10] <vbgunz> you have a login screen. then you have the screen after you press enter (before) you get to your desktop
[00:10] <rmrfslash> Right now I'm poking around in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default
[00:10] <rmrfslash> some of the resolutions have the right background
[00:11] <vbgunz> as someone mentioned before, if your login, splash and wallpaper matched and you can handle the fade to desktop on login effect, its pretty seamless
[00:11] <rmrfslash> one has a corrupt image it seems (can't load the file in gwenview)
[00:11] <vbgunz> rmrfslash: are you referring to seeing this bubble screen you speak of flash before your login screen?>
[00:12] <rmrfslash> the one where the icons fade in: hard drive, networking, a couple others then the KDE logo
[00:12] <rmrfslash> the splash screen that fades to the desktop
[00:12] <rmrfslash> that's the one that's broke
[00:12] <rmrfslash> my login screen is correct
[00:12] <vbgunz> go to system settings > system > login manager
[00:12] <vbgunz> its in there
[00:12] <rmrfslash> my wallpaper shouldn't mattert
[00:12] <vbgunz> you can get new ones too
[00:13] <vbgunz> sorry rmrfslash, thats the kdm login screen you can mess with
[00:14] <vbgunz> the splash is in appearance > splash screen
[00:14] <rmrfslash> I know
[00:14] <rmrfslash> this is what I'm talking about
[00:14] <rmrfslash> not the login screen
[00:14] <rmrfslash> the splash screen
[00:14] <rmrfslash> when I click on Default and select "Test theme" it shows the wrong thing
[00:14] <vbgunz> yeah good stuff but you can change both to match each other and get a seamless looking login
[00:14] <rmrfslash> shows the one I see when I login
[00:14] <vbgunz> hmm
[00:15] <rmrfslash> whicih is wrong
[00:15] <rmrfslash> it's some grey background w/ white bubbles
[00:15] <vbgunz> I had a problem of the default theme or wrong theme flashing before the actual login. I had not experienced your issue :(
[00:15] <rmrfslash> now, when I go to  /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default
[00:15] <Guest90325> Air final update (plasma theme)   .....How to install blue theme  not black theme for kubuntu 9.10
[00:15] <Torch> (sorry, had some network problems with my hoster)
[00:15] <rmrfslash> I see a bunch of folders for different resolutions and some of them have the correct background.png
[00:16] <vbgunz> rmrfslash: I wouldn't know how to help you out. I am not sure about how it works. I am curious though. whats your resolution?
[00:16] <rmrfslash> when I try to open background.png for 1024x768 gwenview says it can't load the file
[00:16] <Torch> oxymoron: kubuntu is normally not considered to be in the top league for KDE. i still use it. other distros have other problems.
[00:16] <rmrfslash> 1366 x 768
[00:17] <Torch> [01:07:32] <Torch> rmrfslash: what does this give you:  dpkg -l kdebase-workspace-data
[00:17] <Torch> rmrfslash: did this get though?
[00:17] <rmrfslash> might be that there's no folder for my resolution
[00:17] <Torch> rmrfslash: it will downscale then
[00:18] <rmrfslash> ii  kdebase-workspace-data      4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~pp
[00:18] <vbgunz> rmrfslash: not sure. really. was curious. I was and am at 1920x1080 and experienced a kdm bug similiar but not quite exact as yours
[00:18] <vbgunz> could be the resolution if you feel like tinkering with it
[00:19] <rmrfslash> I can't open the 800x600 background.png either
[00:19] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: I had a similar sounding issue, found that there were ksplash files lying around in /var/tmp/kdecache-[username]/ksplashx/
[00:20] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: you might be right
[00:20] <oxymoron> Torch: Alright :) Well sometimes it seems other distros works, but I guess they have other serious problem instead :P
[00:21] <rmrfslash> there's a file Default-1366x768-background.png and that's the image I see
[00:21] <Torch> oxymoron: opensuse is generally quoted as the "best" kde distro. it's okay, sure. but it has its own share of problems.
[00:21] <rmrfslash> I backed it up and deleted it
[00:21] <oxymoron> Torch: Dont misunderstand me though, I really have been migrating more and more too *buntu and KDE from Windows because it is really good :)
[00:21] <rmrfslash> let me see now
[00:21] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: if you remove that, you should get unified KDM theme/Ksplash/Wallpaper
[00:21] <rmrfslash> sweet
[00:22] <oxymoron> Torch: What problems has opensuse then?
[00:22] <Torch> oxymoron: it's rpm based. if you don't know what that means, good for you ;-)
[00:22] <rmrfslash> Nope... that did it
[00:22] <rmrfslash> I didn't get an error, I got the right splash screen when I did the Test Theme again
[00:22] <oxymoron> Torch: It means its not debian based ... xD
[00:22] <rmrfslash> :)
[00:22] <Torch> oxymoron: also, it's branded to death. you can uninstall the branding, they even try to make that easy. problem is, if you do that. kdm theming breaks badly.
[00:23] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: glad you got it working correctly :)
[00:23] <rmrfslash> I mean, the real question will be when I logout/login
[00:23] <rmrfslash> but I figure that fixed it
[00:23] <rmrfslash> or at least those files were the issue
[00:23] <gorgonizer> I found that after I gt the Test working as I wanted, it worked on reboot :)
[00:23] <rmrfslash> gorgonizer: nice work brotha
[00:24] <gorgonizer> rmrfslash: glad to be of assistance :)
[00:24] <rmrfslash> I am fine tuning this installation.
[00:24] <rmrfslash> It's so close to perfect... I can't imagine what else I need to fix
[00:24] <rmrfslash> I should work for Dell
[00:24] <oxymoron> Torch: Sighs ... I am the guy who wants an interesting and nice desktop with new features once in a while but without breaks on the way. I would rather wait one extra day to have it stable secured always before releasing packages.
[00:24] <Torch> oxymoron: don't get me wrong, opensuse is an important project and novell do a lot of important stuff for kde and the open source community. think suse studio, think the brilliant build service.
[00:25] <gorgonizer> still getting used to the features added by 4.4 :)
[00:25] <rmrfslash> I got Kubuntu working on this laptop perfectly
[00:25] <Torch> oxymoron: kubuntu is fine for you then. don't upgrade kde in between kubuntu releases, though.
[00:25] <oxymoron> Torch: Also I am curious, I like modern things :) I have been tried of Windows that never comes with something new ...
[00:25] <rmrfslash> right down to the last pixel
[00:25] <oxymoron> *tired
[00:26] <gorgonizer> I seem to have managed to get Nepomuk searches working as well, which is nice :)
[00:26] <oxymoron> Torch: Yeah, but I cant help my curiousity. If I know there is a new GOOD KDE version out there I want to test it :P
[00:26] <rmrfslash> Yeah, after I installed Virtuoso my Nepomuk stopped complaining
[00:27] <Torch> oxymoron: that's understandable, but you really need to choose if you want stability or the latest-and-greatest ;-)
[00:27] <oxymoron> Torch: Alpha, Beta and Release Candidates is not stable I know, but why even bother release them if it does not work? :D
[00:27] <Torch> oxymoron: it's not so simple.
[00:27] <Torch> oxymoron: kde (i'm a dev) releases source code.
[00:27] <rmrfslash> The only thing that doesn't work very well is hot-swap dual displays
[00:27] <oxymoron> Torch: Why cant I have booth fresh and stable? :D
[00:27] <Torch> oxymoron: what kubuntu does with that source code is entirely up to them
[00:28] <Torch> oxymoron: they are very short on man power (who isn't). so packaging problems arise.
[00:29] <oxymoron> Torch: Its like my old mentor in web development said to me, choose between web development or web designing and then I decided to have both. One thing should not take out the other :P Security and Usability though is one thing you cannot escape, it is well synced and must be in balance :P
[00:29] <rmrfslash> and kwin effects are slow as balls
[00:29] <Torch> oxymoron: that's all nice and true in theory and i agree with you. in practice, KDE is developed by many, many overworked people short on time and kubuntu is ran by another group of people short on time.
[00:30] <Torch> oxymoron: most of us aren't payed.
[00:30] <rmrfslash> oh come on, shuttleworth is paying them
[00:30] <rmrfslash> you
[00:30] <Torch> rmrfslash: forget it.
[00:30] <rmrfslash> hahah
[00:30] <rmrfslash> I'm kidding
[00:30] <rmrfslash> I realize it's OSS
[00:30] <rmrfslash> believe me, I know what it's like
[00:30] <Torch> rmrfslash: novell pays quite a lot of KDE people.
[00:31] <Torch> rmrfslash: i don't think canonical pays any at all.
[00:31] <rmrfslash> Canonical is just support right?
[00:31] <Torch> rmrfslash: i don't know. ;-)
[00:31] <rmrfslash> heheh
[00:31] <rmrfslash> Torch: what do you do on the projecT?
[00:32] <rmrfslash> if I can ask that
[00:32] <Torch> rmrfslash: i couldn't care less about canonical, to be honest. i have nothing against them, but they don't play any major role anywhere as far as i can see.
[00:32] <oxymoron> Torch: People does a wonderful job itself though. I am sure developers for Kubuntu really gives it some love and effort. I think the problem is the competion of other distros and the rush all the time, the infrastructure and model flow inside the team could be better as well i guess even if its good for the moment I guess :) More protocols, standards and some kind of API and not chaos :P SHould be able to make *buntu modular so if
[00:32] <oxymoron> one developer break up lets say KDM it should not affect uhm Kwin :P
[00:32] <Torch> rmrfslash: i'm the author of KDE Partition Manager and contribute code and patches to the KDE core whenever i see the need and the opportunity.
[00:33] <rmrfslash> nice
[00:33] <rmrfslash> wjat's a partition?
[00:33] <rmrfslash> j/k
[00:33] <Torch> oxymoron: well, what you describe is mostly how it's supposed to be.
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> The author of Gwenview is paid by Canonical
[00:34] <oxymoron> Torch: And yes i really appreciate there is people who are willing to offer their spare time to make these wonderful OS:es and apps, I dont really expect anything I just use the best OS out there that I think for the moment. But you people have choosen to release this to public, in someway you enjoy it and I think you guys deserve applause but also I think you have some kind of obligation to our users to release things that works or
[00:34] <oxymoron> else we will find someone who does the job better :D
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> well, perhaps not author, but the current main gwenview dev
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> the current printer applet and printer config System Settings module also wouldn't be around if canonical didn't exist
[00:35] <Torch> oxymoron: absolutely.
[00:36] <Torch> oxymoron: i completely agree with that. if KDE releases sth it should be as good as it can be.
[00:36] <oxymoron> Torch: It could be like that I think :) Not a perfect comparision, but in my web framework I do everything modular and break up every single module to be isolated from everything else. The only thing that MUST work is the core, that in this case should be the Linux core or Ubuntu Core maybe :P
[00:36] <Torch> oxymoron: that's a little over-simplified, though ;-)
[00:37] <Torch> oxymoron: double click next to a tab in dolphin on 4.3. dolphin will crash.
[00:37] <Torch> oxymoron: that's a qt 4.5 bug.
[00:37] <rmrfslash> really?
[00:37] <Torch> oxymoron: what can we do?
[00:37] <rmrfslash> should I try this?
[00:37] <Torch> rmrfslash: yes.
[00:37] <rmrfslash> lol
[00:37] <rmrfslash> no thanks
[00:37] <Torch> rmrfslash: in 4.3 with qt 4.5
[00:37] <rmrfslash> what's 4.4?
[00:37] <rmrfslash> QT 4.6?
[00:37] <Torch> rmrfslash: huh?
[00:37] <Torch> rmrfslash: yes.
[00:37] <rmrfslash> ok
[00:38] <rmrfslash> guess I coulda checked that
[00:38] <rmrfslash> Well, I can't complain about Kubuntu. I think you and the other developers are doing a hell of a job.
[00:38] <mamalala> hello everyone ... i'm having a strange problem with xorg + radeon in a dual-head setup on amd64 ... quite often when i move the mouse from the screen connected to DVI-0 into the screen connected to VGA-0, it shuts down the vga output
[00:38] <rmrfslash> But I'll still bitch.
[00:39] <Torch> rmrfslash: i'm not a kubuntu dev.
[00:39] <rmrfslash> that's cuz ATI sucks
[00:39] <rmrfslash> well, KDE
[00:39] <rmrfslash> I think KDE has come a long way
[00:39] <oxymoron> Torch: Yes I know, but I guess you understand what I mean :P System programmring is far more complicated then web programming :P I have been developed some tiny amateur C++, Ptyhon and Java stuff but personally I freaking hate that environment, its to messy ... And for that matter it needs better strucutre :P I think it should be possible to isolate apps in one place, theming and design in one place, monitor and graphics in one place
[00:39] <oxymoron> and so on and isolate them from each other and then they could be communicate thorugh each other around the core :P
[00:40] <rmrfslash> I used to be a gnome-boy
[00:40] <rmrfslash> until my co-worker turned me onto Kubuntu (the asshole) around 4.1
[00:40] <rmrfslash> I knew Kubutntu was better but I was like holy shit is it buggy
[00:40] <rmrfslash> I've watched it mature
[00:41] <rmrfslash> very fun ride
[00:41] <Torch> oxymoron: in theory... again ;-) you're right... in practice, this is an ideal that devs have aimed for for the last 40 years. we got closer, but not there yet.
[00:41] <oxymoron> Torch: And yes, there is QT who develop some things, Kubuntu their things, Grub their things, Alsa theirs, KDE theirs and so on :P I think the only "problem" is communcation :P
[00:41] <rmrfslash> frustrating at times, but fun
[00:41] <Torch> rmrfslash: 4.1 was okay... should have seen 4.0 ;-)
[00:41] <rmrfslash> hahahah
[00:41] <rmrfslash> I did
[00:41] <rmrfslash> my co-worker had it
[00:41] <rmrfslash> I think....
[00:41] <rmrfslash> whatever he had made me laugh
[00:42] <Torch> oxymoron: the problem is how complex this stuff is. KDE has millions and millions of lines of code.
[00:42] <rmrfslash> I was using gnome at the time
[00:42] <oxymoron> Torch: I cant exactly understand the complexity of the whole Linux/*buntu mentality and code, but I think nothing is impossible.
[00:42] <rmrfslash> never use gnome now.... kde is way to fricking awesome. The only thing that sold me on KDE was the power management
[00:42] <Torch> oxymoron: at least kde4 is a lot cleaner when it gets to design stuff than kde3 was.
[00:42] <oxymoron> Torch: And thats why KDE needs perfect structure from the beginning so it does not matter how many lines there are :P
[00:43] <Torch> oxymoron: hehe
[00:43] <oxymoron> Torch: Haha yeah thats for sure, I have been looking a LITTLE through the code and it looks a lot more cleaner :P
[00:43] <Torch> rmrfslash: yeah. powerdevil is awesome.
[00:43] <rmrfslash> Gnome had like 2 power modes "use power" and "don't use power"
[00:43] <rmrfslash> KDE has "extreme powersave, powersave, presentation, performance, etc."
[00:44] <rmrfslash> and if your machine allows it you can shut off cores
[00:44] <rmrfslash> fricking ridiculous
[00:44] <rmrfslash> the kde developers are really drilling down, I like that
[00:45] <oxymoron> Torch: But I think you can compare web frameworks with desktop systems like Gnome and KDE :P The principle is almost exaclty the same, I am absolutely sure you can use MVC-model as well :)
[00:45] <rmrfslash> Zend Framework!
[00:45] <rmrfslash> :P
[00:45] <rmrfslash> I recently wrote a Zend Framework app w/ Google Web Toolkit frontend
[00:45] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: Yeah Zend Framework sucks I know :D
[00:45] <rmrfslash> nooooo
[00:45] <rmrfslash> come on now.
[00:45] <Torch> oxymoron: all of qt4 is mvc (without the c, mostly)
[00:46] <rmrfslash> mvc++
[00:46] <oxymoron> Torch: Thats good, is everything else? :P
[00:47] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: No just kidding, well in some parts is actually good like validation, some vendor/service stuff and so on, but the core is REALLY messy and heavy bloated, extremely slow and bad performance.
[00:47] <Torch> oxymoron: qt4 forces you to use model-view
[00:47] <rmrfslash> agreed... it's slow
[00:47] <Torch> oxymoron: from that viewpoint (software design and architecture 101) we don't have a problem
[00:48] <oxymoron> Torch: I mean does QT follow MVC should other things do as well :P I would think QT4 as an View-layer inside Kubuntu though :P
[00:48] <rmrfslash> their goal is to make it faster. they've publicly said "ok, yeah.... we're a lot slower than codeignitor"
[00:48] <rmrfslash> "we need to do something about that"
[00:48] <rmrfslash> they will
[00:48] <rmrfslash> I just use it for simple rest calls
[00:48] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: Yeah right ... they must think from the beginning and start over :P
[00:48] <rmrfslash> well, wevb services
[00:48] <rmrfslash> not rest calls, that makes no sense
[00:49] <rmrfslash> and if there's one thing Zend will do, is go back and rewrite
[00:49] <rmrfslash> not like some languages developers that deny their lang needs a rewrite
[00:50] <rmrfslash> (not that ZF is a "language", but you know what I mean)
[00:50] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: My goal is to release the fastest framework soon though. I dont know for sure if its faster than DooPHP Framework, but has on other hand more features and is faster than CodeIgniter and Agavi :) You dont even need routes :P But this is offtopic, continue on #kubuntu-offtopic?
[00:50] <rmrfslash> u see Yii
[00:50] <rmrfslash> ?
[00:50] <rmrfslash> fast benchmarks
[00:50] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: Huh?
[00:51] <rmrfslash> yii framework
[00:51] <rmrfslash> look it up
[00:51] <rmrfslash> http://www.yiiframework.com/performance/
[00:52] <rmrfslash> lazy loading
[00:52] <rmrfslash> that's what lazy loading gets you
[00:54] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: But DooPHP has also their own, it is roughly misunderstandable and its different between different version of Apache (Apache Benchmark). I have been testing around myself and its REALLY confusing, you got completely different result every time you test it :P
[00:55] <rmrfslash> well hey, I'm anxious to see your framework
[00:56] <rmrfslash> why do people take their shoes off on the train?
[00:56] <rmrfslash> jesus
[00:57] <rmrfslash> some people just don't get "society"
[00:57] <rmrfslash> anyways, gotta run
[00:57] <rmrfslash> thanks for the help everyone
[00:57] <oxymoron> rmrfslash: Its not very wide featured though because its kind of alpha version with focus on the core and not modules like caching, i18n, ORM, ActivePattern, RBAC and so on even if I am looking forward to develop for that too :)
[01:05] <amelie> hi people!
[01:05] <amelie> i need help
[01:05] <amelie> :-P
[01:06] <amelie> lost my account password
[01:06] <amelie> and don't know how to reset it
[01:06] <amelie> please??
[01:07] <amelie> :-(
[01:10] <TSK> amelie: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[01:10] <Mac42DO> Hi! I have karmix an kde 4.4. How can I install the gtk-appearence settings into the system-settings?
[01:10] <Mac42DO> karmic
[01:10] <amelie> thks TSK!
[01:17] <amelie> thanks tsk
[01:17] <amelie> i could reset my password
[01:17] <amelie> thanks thanks thanks
[01:17] <amelie> :D
[01:17] <TSK> Good deal.  Glad that worked.  :)
[01:20] <TSK> amelie: For future reference, the Google query I used to find that page was "how to reset a lost password in ubuntu".   It came up first in the list.  The secret I've learned about searching the web is to be quite specific about what you seek.  ;)
[01:21] <amelie> i'm used to make the same thing, and I tried on the ubuntu forums
[01:21] <amelie> but
[01:22] <amelie> for some reason, i couldn't find the right instructions
[01:23] <TSK> I guess I got lucky then.  :)
[01:43] <racecar56> pidgin won't show up in the indicator applet, what's wrong? i'd be using kopete instead if it supported 100% HTML logging like pidgin does
[01:46] <jrmy> francais ?
[01:47] <kaddi> !fr
[02:29] <tjmcwiz> #quit
[03:12] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> how do i connect to other cervers on here?
[03:15] <Daughain> ??????
[03:17] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> servers*
[03:17] <Daughain> Define "here'.
[03:18] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> quassle IRC
[03:18] <Daughain> BTW, if you connect to another server, you arent "here". =)
[03:18] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> lol
[03:18] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> srry i 4got people use other cleints
[03:18] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> lol
[03:19] <Daughain> Xchat here.
[03:19]  * Daughain grins.
[03:19] <Daughain> Though, you shoujld have a 'server' setting at the top of the page, I would think.
[03:19] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> im just usin whatever i could get to work for ubuntu
[03:19] <Daughain> Or under the right mouse click.
[03:20] <Daughain> quassel comes with the kde desktop install.
[03:20] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> i have to use the software center
[03:20] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> um new to ubuntu
[03:20] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> installed it a hour ago
[03:20] <Daughain> But, try a right click on the server screen./
[03:20]  * Daughain remembers those days....
[03:21] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> on a old windows e machine
[03:21] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> xD
[03:21] <Daughain> COnsidering it was only two months ago, not too hard. =)
[03:21] <Daughain> Eeeew.....emachine.
[03:21] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> well it aint e macjine\
[03:21] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> its just a e machine harddrive
[03:21]  * Daughain nods..
[03:22] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> its a compaq motherboard
[03:22] <Daughain> ANyway, there are a few places to try.
[03:22] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> dell power supply
[03:22]  * Daughain knows how it goes..
[03:23] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> well is there a place for juggalos/juggalettes?
[03:23] <Daughain> No clue. google??
[03:24] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> well i tryed using the channels list
[03:24] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> but
[03:24] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> it didnt bring up nuttin
[03:24] <Daughain> freenode os pretty much more along the lines of linux help channels.
[03:25] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> well this thing hates me
[03:25]  * Daughain chuckles..
[03:25] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> i try to get the other server and
[03:25] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> fail
[03:25] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> lol
[03:25] <Daughain> You sure you have the port numbers right?
[03:25] <Daughain> And the server names?
[03:26] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> ya
[03:26] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> i had invision mIRC on windows and was a master at irc
[03:26] <Daughain> Remember, some servers have more restricted port lists than others.
[03:26] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> server irc.juggaloirc.com
[03:26] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> oops
[03:26] <Daughain> Ummmm.....I write mirc bots as a hobby.
[03:26] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> 4got the /
[03:27] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> well that i suck at
[03:27] <Daughain> Usually oyu need something like this...:  irc.juggaloirc.com:6664
[03:28] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> ok ill try
[03:28] <Daughain> Though, xchat uses <server name>/<port>
[03:29] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> were do i get yahoo messenger for ubuntu???
[03:29] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> in packege form
[03:29] <tsimpson> !im
[03:29] <Daughain> Heya, tsimpson
[03:30] <tsimpson> yahoo have a very old and broken package for debian somewhere, but it's not worth it
[03:30] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> thanx
[03:30] <Daughain> I prefer pidgin, but all the same idea. =)
[03:31] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> how do install programs that are in floders?
[03:31] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> folders*
[03:31] <Daughain> ????? tarballs?
[03:31] <tsimpson> !source
[03:31] <tsimpson> !compile
[03:31]  * tsimpson pets ubottu 
[03:31]  * Daughain chuckles.
[03:33] <somekool> hello everyone
[03:34] <somekool> anyone succeeded to run kde 4.4 under kubuntu 9.10 with standard packages?
[03:34] <somekool> i just upgraded from 4.3.5 and plasma is crashing
[03:34] <somekool> like it is not completly installed or something like that
[03:36] <HOMIE_THA_KLOWN> is there a programs to emulate windows? like cuz i have to deskyops i can have windows on one and ubuntu on the other
[03:40] <Daughain> wine
[03:40] <Daughain> sudo apt-get install wine
[03:54] <[GuS]> HOMIE_THA_KLOWN: you should try to Virtualize the OS(windows in this case), with VirtualBox for example
[04:03] <somekool> synergy is cool too if you have multiple computers
[04:04] <genii> ReactOS
[04:18] <isl> I'm new !
[04:19] <isl> How to use this ?
[04:22] <genii> isl: If you have some question ask
[04:23] <isl> Thanks but to testing this chat , thanks genii
[04:25] <DarkriftX> earlier someone told me to dpkg --get-selections to make a list of packages on this laptop (migrating to new one). how do i use that list to install those packages on the new one? --set-selections doesnt seem to like that file
[04:27] <genii> !cloning
[04:27] <DarkriftX> wow
[04:27] <DarkriftX> thats awesoem
[04:27]  * genii sips
[04:27] <DarkriftX> thx
[04:27] <genii> np
[04:27]  * scunizi sips as well.. clear over ice 
[04:30] <sirspyr0> hello everyone
[04:30] <scunizi> hello hello
[04:30] <DarkriftX> got about a few thousand errors about package "install" not found
[04:30] <DarkriftX> when running the second command
[04:30] <sirspyr0> tryying to get something going, wondering if someone has a few moments of time
[04:30] <scunizi> DarkriftX: did you install any .bin files?
[04:31] <DarkriftX> fresh 9.04 install
[04:31] <DarkriftX> nothing has been installed yet
[04:31] <sirspyr0> i recently installed ubuntu 9.10 and it came with kernel 2.6.19 x64
[04:31] <scunizi> DarkriftX: did you do a *full* sys upgrade?  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  ... dist-upgrade will *not* take you to the next release
[04:32] <DarkriftX> its not an upgrade
[04:32] <DarkriftX> new laptop
[04:32] <isl> ubottu: If I want to do that , I will using synaptic . by save selected - save complete status . this will build a file for you , open it with synaptic on new pc
[04:32] <DarkriftX> i want all the same apps installed on there
[04:32] <scunizi> DarkriftX: no.. the upgrade line upgrades the system you just installed
[04:32] <sirspyr0> i wanted to know how to update it to the 2.6.26 kernel
[04:32] <DarkriftX> then im going to copy my home folder over (per suggestion in here)
[04:32] <DarkriftX> i didnt do the upgrade line
[04:32] <scunizi> packages, versions but not the release
[04:32] <DarkriftX>  sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages
[04:32] <DarkriftX> that failed
[04:32] <DarkriftX> oh, did i do it wrong?
[04:33] <sirspyr0> some driver patches i want to use that were made for 2.6.26
[04:33] <sirspyr0> not real sure how to go about doing it
[04:34] <scunizi> DarkriftX: looks like it
[04:34] <sirspyr0> oh im in the wrong channel
[04:34] <sirspyr0> im so sorry
[04:34] <sirspyr0> i need the ubuntu channel, right?
[04:34] <sirspyr0> sorry about that
[04:34] <DarkriftX> erm
[04:35] <DarkriftX> if the first aptitude command is failing, why would it matter?
[04:35] <scunizi> here .. there.. where-ever sirspyr0 .. either may give you the answer.
[04:35] <sirspyr0> hehe okie scunizi
[04:35] <DarkriftX> yeah, as i thought, same error a couple thousand times again
[04:36] <scunizi> DarkriftX: this line?  aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages
[04:36] <DarkriftX> "Couldnt find package "install". However, the following packages contain "install" in their name:
[04:36] <DarkriftX> that one was correct
[04:36] <DarkriftX> it was copied and pasted
[04:36] <DarkriftX> the other one (done on the new laptop) was typed exactly also
[04:36] <sirspyr0> now i wonder if i can skip the kernel update altogether if i had another way to patch my broadcom for injection
[04:36] <scunizi> with the << >> at the ends of the lines?
[04:37] <scunizi> sirspyr0: you on 9.04 or 9.10?
[04:37] <DarkriftX> no...
[04:37] <sirspyr0> 9.1
[04:37] <scunizi> brb
[04:37] <sirspyr0> o.0
[04:38] <isl> DarkriftX: do not copy packge direct from old to new pc , that will make a problem for you if the kernal or some main library are diffrents
[04:38] <isl> you can use synaptic
[04:39] <DarkriftX> damn
[04:39] <isl> it is more easy to do that, but with loading from internet
[04:40] <isl> you can copy deb files from old /var/cache/apt/archeve to new laptop
[04:41] <DarkriftX> isnt there a list somewhere of non system packages?
[04:41] <isl> that will helpping synaptic to ignore same deb from redownload
[04:41] <DarkriftX> i c
[04:41] <DarkriftX> damn
[04:41] <DarkriftX> they made it sound a lot easier the last 3 times i asked
[04:42] <isl> do you have synaptic ?
[04:42] <juacom99> could someone please help me restore my grub. this is my fdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/375225/  and thishttp://paste.ubuntu.com/375226/ is my menu.lst
[04:43] <juacom99> i been trying all day
[04:43] <isl> file - save selected
[04:43] <DarkriftX> i do in a min
[04:43] <DarkriftX> apt-getting it
[04:43] <isl> check complete status
[04:43] <scunizi> isl: isn't there a commnad for DarkriftX that builds a text file that can be used to reinstall packages from the internet on a different machine?
[04:43] <DarkriftX> scunizi: i was doing that, then was told that it might be bad
[04:43] <DarkriftX> which makes sense
[04:43] <DarkriftX> some of thsoe packages might be drivers
[04:45] <scunizi> too bad it can't be filtered for just "user installed" packages..
[04:45] <isl> scunizi: I do not know ? but I use synaptic for like this stauts
[04:48] <isl> In synaptic no need to select any thing, Just save ... complet status
[04:53] <sirspyr0> quick question if i'm running 2.6.31 kernel, can i use a driver patch made for 2.6.26?
[04:54] <reso> Is there exist a shoutcast's program like SHOUTcast Radio DSP from winamp? for kubuntu
[04:57] <scunizi> reso: maybe streamtuner
[04:58] <reso> scunizi: ok
[05:00] <xjjk> anyone have KDE 4.4 with Karmic and use Konsole? can they test something for me
[05:01] <juacom99> could someone please help me restore my grub. this is my fdisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/375225/  and thishttp://paste.ubuntu.com/375226/ is my menu.lst
[05:02] <juacom99> i don't know what is wong the boot screen load ok but when i select an option nothing happens
[05:03] <xjjk> http://identi.ca/attachment/8727628 is what I'm seeing with Konsole
[05:03] <xjjk> if I'm not using DejaVu Sans, the font is clipped
[05:06] <scunizi> xjjk: wow.. how'd you get the color?
[05:06] <xjjk> scunizi: er, what color
[05:06] <scunizi> xjjk: in the link you posted of cli..
[05:06] <xjjk> scunizi: do you mean the terminal's ASCII colorscheme?
[05:06] <scunizi> xjjk: yes
[05:07] <xjjk> scunizi: funny you mention... that's a long-standing konsole bug (to add color schemes that don't suck) to konsole
[05:07] <xjjk> scunizi: they're on kde-look.org, it's the tango konsole color scheme
[05:07] <xjjk> oxygen is also good
[05:07] <xjjk> makes the CLI look *good*
[05:07] <scunizi> yea.. I like it
[05:08] <scunizi> xjjk: I think in the .bashrc file there is mention of it.. you have to uncomment lines to get it active..
[05:08] <xjjk> scunizi: hrm? for color schemes? the color scheme has nothing to do with bash
[05:09] <scunizi> humm. ok.. but I saw something like that mentioned in the file..
[05:10] <xjjk> scunizi: pretty sure that's something else
[05:10] <scunizi> mentions xterm color prompts
[05:10] <xjjk> scunizi: once you install the new color schemes, you can select them under Konsole's settings under the Appearance tab
[05:11] <xjjk> scunizi: yah, that's to give a color prompt (as I have)
[05:11] <xjjk> is that what you meant?
[05:12] <scunizi> http://pastebin.com/f3870d14b  take a look..
[05:12] <xjjk> scunizi: I believe you.. anyone, are you using KDE 4.4?
[05:12] <scunizi> is it the same?.. no.. 4.3.xx. but right now I'm on a gnome laptop
[05:12] <xjjk> can you confirm that font problem I'm having?
[05:13] <xjjk> hrm, OK
[05:13] <scunizi> xjjk: wasn't really paying attention to that .. what kind of problem?
[05:13] <xjjk> scunizi: see the konsole to the left
[05:13] <xjjk> it's a different font
[05:13] <xjjk> when konsole renders it, it's clipped
[05:13] <xjjk> with characters invisible
[05:14] <xjjk> see the first directory "apache-access-logs"
[05:14] <scunizi> can you post the link again.. I lost it.
[05:14] <xjjk> it's clipped to only "apache-access-lo" in the screenshot
[05:14] <xjjk> http://identi.ca/attachment/8727628
[05:15] <scunizi> I see what you mean.. weird
[05:15] <xjjk> it happened after upgrading to the 4.4final
[05:15] <xjjk> the RCs were fine
[05:15] <scunizi> so what's the difference between the left and right?
[05:15] <scunizi> font?
[05:15] <xjjk> different font
[05:15] <scunizi> or 4.3 vs 4.4
[05:15] <xjjk> the left is Inconsolata, the right is DejaVu Sans (default)
[05:15] <xjjk> they are both 4.4
[05:16] <scunizi> never heard of Inconsolata.. obviously an issue there.
[05:16] <xjjk> it's not installed by default, but it's pretty popular
[05:16] <xjjk> it's in the package ttf-inconsolata
[05:17] <scunizi> looks like one I'd avoid
[05:17] <xjjk> it's not just Inconsolata, it's several other fonts
[05:17] <xjjk> and none of them had a problem before Kubuntu's KDE 4.4 final
[05:18] <scunizi> xjjk: did you file a bug yet?  maybe they were built wrong.. but in thinking about it, they don't rebuild fonts
[05:18] <xjjk> scunizi: I'm trying to find someone who can confirm the bug before filing
[05:19] <scunizi> xjjk: you try searching the bug list yet?
[05:19] <xjjk> scunizi: not there as of yesterday
[05:20] <scunizi> have you seen this list? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=fonts&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_p
[05:21] <xjjk> no, I hadn't checked launchpad...
[05:21]  * genii thinks about tinyurl
[05:21] <scunizi> genii: yea.. would have been better.. oops
[05:29] <pepee> hi
[05:31] <genii> !hi
[05:33] <pepee> I updated today, and then changed my keyboard configs. after that, kde4 was reconfigured and I've lost various configs, including the keyboard settings...
[05:34] <pepee> now I don't know how to recover the kb settings :(
[05:34] <pepee> this configuration is very strange for me
[05:53] <yotux> can anyone offer assistance on connecting to hidden SSID
[05:55] <agnits> i have a really dumb question: how can i use strigi? the search service has tons of stuff indexed, nepomuk store size is over 100MB but i can't figure out how to search it
[06:01] <xjjk> agnits: I usually use krunner
[06:01] <xjjk> or dolphin
[06:02] <xjjk> there isn't a dedicated search client anymore
[06:03] <agnits> just enter query into krunner?
[06:04] <agnits> what kind of data does it index? could i search for exif data for example?
[06:14] <jpmaiden> somebody help me please?
[06:14] <genii> !anyone
[06:15] <jpmaiden> how install xmpp 1.0 for kopete facebook chat?
[06:35] <aperson> hi, I just updated my desktop (I have the kubuntu-ppa/backports repo enabled), and I'm just getting a black screen on boot
[06:36] <aperson> I noted two programs segment faulting (I'd have to check what they were again)
[06:37] <aperson> I also noted one broken package on installation
[06:37] <aperson> plasma-widget-kimpanel has unmet dependencies
[06:38] <aperson> plasma-desktop segment faults
[06:53] <aperson> ok, an aptitude install plasma-desktop gives me a desktop again
[06:53] <aperson> but now kde4-window-decorator segment faults
[06:57] <divide> hello
[06:57] <aperson> howdy
[06:58] <divide> we have kubuntu on a public access terminal in a cafe and I was wondering whether we could get any promo materials and CDs to put next to the machine so that anybody liking the OS could take it home
[06:59] <aperson> you'll have to consult shipit.kubuntu.org
[07:00] <divide> aperson: so it's just best to write to info@shipit and ask about it?
[07:01] <aperson> divide, I'd assume so, I swear they used to have a form to request bulk cds for lugs and such
[07:03] <aperson> ok, I just recently upgraded to 4.4.00, the only issue I'm having at this point is that kde4-window-decorator segment faults on boot, does anyone have a remedy to this?
[07:06] <sirspyr0> hello everyone
[07:07] <divide> aperson: ok, thanks
[07:07] <aperson> divide, yep, good luck :)
[07:07] <sirspyr0> i've been steadily researching the broadcom 4311 and am getting very mixed information about it
[07:07] <sirspyr0> is anyone experienced with this particular device?
[07:08] <DarkriftX> anyone know the package name for shiretoko?
[07:09] <petsounds> DarkriftX, firefox 3.5?
[07:09] <DarkriftX> ok, i thought it was a diff package
[07:10] <sirspyr0> hrm...
[07:37] <root> hi, is anyone there?
[07:37] <root> hello?
[07:38] <Guest23339> hello?
[07:38] <Guest23339> I just wanted to know if there was a new version of Showcock going to be released, please let me know thanks everyone :)
[07:40] <Guest23339> hello?
[07:41] <genii> Guest23339: I don't believe "Showcock" is some valid application
[07:42] <Guest23339> i use it to update my twitter statuses and stuff.
[07:44] <DarkriftX> !compiz
[07:45] <Guest23339> ubottu: can u show me about showcock?
[07:45] <Guest23339> oh :(
[07:45] <avihay> !showcock
[07:45] <DarkriftX> lol
[07:45] <avihay> !info showcock
[07:46] <Guest23339> :(
[07:46] <Guest23339> how do i get a real name like you guys do?
[07:46] <avihay> so, well, anyway ubottu, don't sell yourself short. intelligent or not, you've been a real help to everyone around here
[07:47] <Guest23339> i want to be cool :D
[07:47] <genii> !info choqok
[07:47] <DarkriftX> lol
[07:47] <avihay> use /name The_CoOlEsT_NaMe_EvEr    (only please something more modest)
[07:48] <DarkriftX> !find compiz-icon
[07:48] <DarkriftX> hrmmm
[07:48] <sup3r_133t> oh cool
[07:49] <DarkriftX> if yo have to ask how to change your nick on irc, you arent allowed to use l33t in your nick :P
[07:49] <sup3r_133t> genii: is that the same thing as showcock? I heard someone on a radio show call it that. that's a weird spelling
[07:50] <sup3r_133t> DarkriftX: oh :( is there any place where these rules are written?
[07:50] <DarkriftX> it was a joke
[07:50] <DarkriftX> but im sure someone has written it somewhere
[07:50] <sup3r_133t> oh, i get it, haha
[07:51] <genii> sup3r_133t: Thats the one, yes. Phonetically it's spelt as you did it. Please now desist with using the term "showcock" in the channel now that we know
[07:52] <sup3r_133t> okay, thank you for your help :D
[07:52] <genii> You're welcome
[07:54] <DarkriftX> ok.... i used fusion-icon to restart compiz (even though it wasnt started yet) and apparently that was not as good of an idea as it seeemed like. now I get a white screen (contents are there, cursor cahnges when i hover over invisible stuff). how would i reload kwin?
[07:54] <DarkriftX> kwin --replace?
[07:54] <genii> DarkriftX: Yes, with alt-f2 and not in Konsole
[07:54] <DarkriftX> oh
[07:54] <DarkriftX> oops
[07:54] <DarkriftX> lol
[07:56] <sup3r_133t> quit
[07:56] <sup3r_133t> exit
[07:56] <sup3r_133t> hmm, how do i leave?
[07:56] <DarkriftX>  /quit
[07:56] <sup3r_133t> oh, thanks :D
[07:56] <aperson> /quit
[07:56] <DarkriftX> or the pretty X on your window
[07:56] <aperson> or /join 0
[07:56] <aperson> or /exit
[07:56] <DarkriftX> id almost guess he was trolling
[07:56] <genii> Hm "root@"
[07:57] <aperson> DarkriftX, I'd assume so
[07:57] <DarkriftX> from mirc /echo $quit
[07:57] <DarkriftX> :P
[07:57] <aperson> burn it with fire!
[07:57] <aperson> ot aside...
[07:57] <genii> DarkriftX: Yes, they couldn't help saying "showcock" as often as possible
[07:58] <Guest84113> Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.10
[07:59] <DarkriftX> is there a command line method to enable restricted drivers? the "activate" button in the gui does not do anything for me
[08:00] <aperson> DarkriftX, I like to use envyng, though that isn't the 'recommended' way
[08:05] <DarkriftX> well, that doesnt seem to work for me
[08:05] <DarkriftX> I am getting graphical glitches now though
[08:06] <aperson> DarkriftX, what graphics card?
[08:06] <DarkriftX> nvidia, lemme find model
[08:07] <DarkriftX> nvidia geforce g210m
[08:07] <DarkriftX> i think
[08:08] <DarkriftX> · NVIDIA GeForce G 210M 512MB
[08:09] <DarkriftX> it shows my driver in the restricted app, just that the activate button does nothing
[08:09] <DarkriftX> ahh, worked this time
[08:09] <DarkriftX> 4 tries later
[08:12] <leog> is not able to install splash themes
[08:13] <leog> has any1 faced a similar issue?
[08:14] <DarkriftX> why do 10 of the last 15 ppl to join have "quassel" as their ident?
[08:15] <FeasibilityStudy> Because Quassel rules the world
[08:15] <Guest84113> Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.10
[08:17] <genii> DarkriftX: Quassel is the default Kubuntu IRC client
[08:17] <aperson> ok, I have most of my issues fixed (removed compiz for now), but now I have two sets of notifications
[08:18] <aperson> they're duplicates
[08:18] <aperson> oh, I seem to have an extra panel now
[08:20] <FeasibilityStudy> aperson: I had that problem too earlier today.  Just deleted the panel and it's been fine since.
[08:20] <leog> I click on install n after sometime it just displays uninstall but the theme is not installed ....tried googling but did find anything
[08:20] <aperson> FeasibilityStudy, yeah, I just did that as well, now if only compiz wouldn't cause problems
[08:22] <leog> KDE 4.3.2 is this a perms issue as it does not as for the password?
[08:25] <peppino> is there a way to start a distro fom a directory instead / ?
[08:27] <genii> peppino: You want to boot from some subdirectory of another installed distribution?
[08:29] <peppino> genii: want i want to do is place entire ditro under a sub directoory instead partition root....i tried it manipulating more than one time grub but nothing....im not able to tells to kernel that the root should be a directory
[08:32] <genii> peppino: I haven't done this, but in theory... you have a shared /boot with all dists vmlinuz initrd and so on... then in the grub stanza something like set root=(hdX,X)/subdirectoryname
[08:34] <peppino> genii: thank a lot.... i tried it but nothing
[08:35] <genii> peppino: In addition you would need fstab entries with some kind of funky / mount, maybe a bind if it's seeing the underlying fs directory hierarchy
[08:36] <peppino> genii: i know
[08:37] <genii> peppino: Why not instead use grub to boot the iso file and use a persistent install
[08:37] <peppino> genii: some people in the ird told me that is not possible to have a position for the distro different from /,,,,,,,,, they said that all links, etc are linked to /
[08:47] <peppino> genii: are you still here?
[08:48] <genii> peppino: Barely. 3:47AM where i am
[08:48] <peppino> genii: ops
[08:54] <peppino> genii: for what is concerning lucid problem....which is the channel to address the problems?
[08:54] <genii> !lucid
[08:58] <peppino> genii: do you have an idea for these two errors:
[08:58] <peppino> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-mauri" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0
[08:58] <peppino> Error: "/tmp/kde-mauri" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0
[08:59] <genii> peppino: I have an idea but it would take too long to elaborate on it in the time left before i go comatose
[08:59] <tsimpson> peppino: don't use sudo with GUI apps
[08:59] <tsimpson> use kdesudo
[08:59] <tsimpson> genii: nice and short answer ;)
[08:59]  * genii passes coffee to tsimpson
[09:00] <peppino> tsimpson: tnk
[09:07] <buckfast> Hey. I upgraded to KDE 4.4 from backports. The upgrade didnt go so good, a lot of dependecy trouble. Finally managed to get everything installed with -f option. Did any of you guys have 2 panels after the upgrade?
[09:08] <buckfast> I'm wondering if I messed it up
[09:09] <Guest84113> Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.10
[09:12] <izmailive> ADA ORANG INDONESIA GA EUY?
[09:20] <Guest84113> Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.10
[09:20] <Guest84113> help
[09:29] <nebonebo> h1 ! :D
[09:32] <ubuntu> bjour
[09:32] <ubuntu> jai un souci
[09:33] <rork> !fr | ubuntu
[10:00] <ginbuntu> kde 4.4 is still sluggish. do I need a better gfx card?
[10:03] <aperson> how can I set dolphin to hide hidden files globally?  I apparently can only do it on a per-folder basis it seems, kde 4.4
[10:05] <jussi01> aperson: view -> dhow hidden files should sort you, no?
[10:06] <aperson> that seems to only work per-folder
[10:06] <aperson> as I'll go to a new directory, and see .directory files
[10:08] <jussi01> aperson: configure dolphin -> general -> view properties -> use common view properties for all folders
[10:08] <jussi01> Im guessing that should do it
[10:08] <aperson> lets see
[10:09] <aperson> thanks
[10:09] <jussi01> :D
[10:10] <aperson> though view>adjust view properties> uncheck show hidden files and select apply for all folders seems to be the better solution
[10:10] <aperson> dang kde ans it's million configuration options
[10:10] <aperson> I appreciate the help though :)
[10:23] <giuseppe_> cool
[10:23] <giuseppe_> !list
[10:35] <Exilant> Does anyone know wether kubuntu's kde geolocation dataengine somehow works with gpsd or geoclue or something like that?
[10:55] <simona> hi!
[10:59] <petsounds> simona, hi
[10:59] <simona> anyone here?
[10:59] <simona> hi
[11:00] <simona> can i ask you a question?
[11:01] <petsounds> ask your question
[11:01] <simona> What's is the best programming IDE for KDE4?
[11:01] <esdaniel> simona: it's kind of weird but the protocol is "just ask" to avoid lots of "hai, can I..." etc
[11:02] <simona> oh...i'm sorry...
[11:02] <FeasibilityStudy> Yeah simona, get with the program! :)
[11:02] <esdaniel> simona: what's your poison, what's the need - KDevelop good for doing KDE stuff, Eclipse good for Java and lots of other things but needs a good spec machine
[11:02] <simona> it's the first time that i join this channel!
[11:02] <simona> :)
[11:02] <Exilant> simona: try kdevelop. No clue if it's finished yet
[11:03] <esdaniel> simona: no need to be sorry, got to learn by participation, there's no other way
[11:03] <Exilant> kate is also really nice, but it's no ide
[11:03] <FeasibilityStudy> Notice we're only nice because you are likely a chick, something we don't see in these geek chats very much.
[11:03] <esdaniel> simona: are you a mature programmer i.e. do you use code versioning, test unit frameworks, build tools etc.,
[11:03] <esdaniel> lol
[11:04] <simona> I tried kdevelop, but it seemed not very stable
[11:04] <Exilant> i thought we were nice because of the ubuntu code of conduct?
[11:05] <simona> esdaniel, not really...i'm an "amateur" programmer!:P
[11:05] <tsimpson> you can use qtcreator if you want to work with Qt/KDE programming
[11:06] <esdaniel> simona: ok, eclipse is a bit 'heavy' but really versatile - in terms of programming language do you have a preference, what's your exisitng knowledge of programming, what can you code in or would like to code in?
[11:06] <simona> i want to program first of all in C,C++...
[11:06] <esdaniel> simona: what kind of apps you want to write - local stuff or something that runs on a web server ?
[11:07] <simona> local stuff
[11:07] <esdaniel> simona: what was unstable about kdevelop?
[11:07] <simona> i tried eclipse when I used Gnome...
[11:07] <simona> but on KDE4 it carries with it a lot of Gnome dependencies
[11:08] <simona> I'm searching for a native KDE4 IDE
[11:08] <esdaniel> simona: i use eclipse via the download from eclipse.org, i run it in it's own dir under my account perms
[11:08] <tsimpson> !ide
[11:08] <esdaniel> simona: i do not use the versions in repos
[11:09] <tsimpson> eclipse still uses GTK+
[11:09] <simona> (sorry for my english...i'm italian and I'm not speek english very well!)
[11:09] <Torch> simona: kdevelop?
[11:10] <esdaniel> simona: kdevelop would be logical choice i.e. closest to the kde community preferred ide for kde stuff
[11:10] <Peace-> simona: italian like me
[11:10] <Peace-> !it | simona
[11:11] <simona> kdevelop is a really good program, but, IMHO, it's not stable yet!
[11:11] <Torch> simona: also have a look at qtcreator
[11:11] <Peace-> qt creator
[11:11] <Peace-> simona: vieni in canale italiano... se non te la cavi con english
[11:12] <simona> grazie ubottu!ci proverò, ma mi piace l'idea di comunicare con una comunity internazionale!:)
[11:12] <Peace-> e vabbe
[11:12] <simona> Torch, thx
[11:13] <simona> i try it as soon as possible
[11:15] <simona> thx to all! I'll try all your advice...then I'll let you know how it went!
[11:16] <simona> have a nice day!
[11:16] <simona> bye
[11:25] <oxymoron> Ah this is awesome, now file extension does not work in Kubuntu ... which means when I open a textfile IT SHOULD open in Kate but it does not and I cannot even associate filetypes anymore, the option is gone xD
[11:26] <oxymoron> nvm, it was only for some system files, but still :P
[11:26] <Mamarok> oxymoron: it works here
[11:27] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I tried with linux.img and grub.cfg, in /boot/grub and those cannot be associated with any application :P Not that it had to, but I wanted to check the inside of the files :P
[11:28] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I guess it because they are empty? xD
[11:29] <oxymoron> Mamarok: But hmm should /boot/grub/grub.cfg be empty? xD
[11:29] <Mamarok> oxymoron: it is because those are system files you are not supposed to handle anyway
[11:30] <Mamarok> just another security level to prevent silly edits
[11:30] <Mamarok> and you don't need an editor to see the content of files, use less
[11:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: When you need to edit them because of some circumstances it would be good if it works ... but I guess "sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg works instead :P
[11:31] <buckfast> How do I change the clock on the panel from AM/PM to 24hour setting?
[11:32] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Ah there we have it :P I had to check if something were there because I kind of messed up by compiling and installed grub2-experimental xD I think I go back to beta4 instead :D
[11:33] <Torch> buckfast: systemsettings -> region and language -> time & dates -> time format
[11:33] <Mamarok> beta4 of what?
[11:34] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I mean grub2~1.97beta4
[11:34] <Galvatron> Hi
[11:35] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I thought 1.97.1.2 should be more stable but I guess not ... but mostly because I tried to make my grubmenu with a gfxmenu which really apic failed :D
[11:35] <oxymoron> *epic
[11:35] <buckfast> Torch: I have hh:mm:ss set there but it still shows am/pm on the panel
[11:35] <Mamarok> oxymoron: downgrades are not supported, and normally there is nothing to tweak in grub, it should just work
[11:35] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Downgrades? :P
[11:36] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I would like a more flashy grub when I start my computer :P ANd splash images is not enough for my eyes, I want my gfxmenu :D
[11:36] <Torch> buckfast: hmm. no idea then.
[11:37] <oxymoron> Torch: Btw, graphic guy ... :D Is it possible to do the Kickofflogo in the left bottom corner larger? I managed to do it before, but in 4.3+ of KDE it does not work anymore :( Now it is very small and I cannot find any setting to enlarge it.
[11:38] <Torch> oxymoron: no idea. it's a plasmoid and will take up as much space as it can use...
[11:38] <buckfast> Torch: Perhaps I have to restart the OS then...
[11:39] <Torch> buckfast: no
[11:39] <oxymoron> Torch: Well if I redefined the height of panel to be higher it resized, but now it just keep the same size because taskbar does not move ...
[11:40] <Torch> oxymoron: works for me. when i make the panel higher, the kickoff button gets larger.
[11:40] <oxymoron> Torch: I really want it larger to get more estetic panel, but mostly more functional so I dont need to think of click on the right place :P
[11:40] <Torch> oxymoron: the idea is to just move the pointer to the bottomleft corner and click without having to aim
[11:41] <oxymoron> Torch: Awesome, why does nothing works for me and everyone else :D
[11:41] <oxymoron> Torch: Yes exactly and now I kind a need to "aim"
[11:42] <oxymoron> Torch: The icon doesnt went larger though. I think the plasmoids on the right of it is locked in someway :P
[11:47] <Galvatron> Is it normal that I have no bott menu in GRUB2 (UBuntu 9.10) - no recovery mode etc.?
[11:47] <Galvatron> *boot menu
[11:48] <Mamarok> oxymoron: so much hassle for something that you see for barely a second...
[11:49] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Its like the splashscreen, loginscreen and everything else, I want consistency for my eye :D Now it is, ugly => ugly => nice => more nice => awesome (KDE desktop)
[11:49] <Torch> oxymoron: if you want all that to be consistent, use opensuse (and grow a fondness for the colour green before you do ;-))
[11:49] <Mamarok> oxymoron: which is perfect, no?
[11:50] <oxymoron> Torch: Btw I found a setting to use fast CPU and high resolution, then everything went a lot more faster suddenly with rendering :D
[11:50] <Mamarok> and for horrible rpm dependency hell
[11:51] <oxymoron> Torch: But OpenSuse is not good looking? :D I want consistency of a good looking theme as well xD :P
[11:52] <Torch> oxymoron: well, depends on your taste. i'm sure they have screenshots somewhere on their website, though.
[11:52] <oxymoron> Torch: Seriously look at this ugly desktop http://www.icewalkers.com/scr/n2692/opensuse.jpg and that camelont ...
[11:52] <buckfast> How can I manage application launcher favorites?
[11:53] <Torch> buckfast: right click an entry and pick "add to favorites"
[11:53] <buckfast> Torch: I don't have that option for a program I want to add
[11:53] <oxymoron> Torch: Hahaha LOL http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/06/18/open_suse_installer_big.jpg, the opensuse installer is more beauty then the desktop itself :D Btw, why havent Kubuntu that kind of nice installer?
[11:53] <FeasibilityStudy> oxymoron: that is one ugly azz desktop
[11:54] <oxymoron> FeasibilityStudy: Yeah indeed
[11:55] <Torch> buckfast: add it to the launcher first with the menu editor
[11:55] <FeasibilityStudy> I really need to try this new OpenSUSE everyone talks about.  I havent used Suse in years and am kind of leery since the whole M$ deal.
[11:55] <oxymoron> FeasibilityStudy: http://www.notmart.org/images/air.png KDE 4 Air :P Not nice panel bar because the dude havent configured it but more good looking then opensuse :P
[11:56] <FeasibilityStudy> oxymoron: yeah looks good
[11:57] <FeasibilityStudy> thing I like the most about 4.4 is the ability to right-click the desktop and immediately switch wallpaper
[11:57] <FeasibilityStudy> a simple feature that was badly needed
[11:57] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: how is that different in 4.4?
[11:57] <oxymoron> Torch: Btw, is this possble to config with alt+tabular for switch between apps? http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/800px-cover-switch.png
[11:57] <FeasibilityStudy> Torch: I dont think 4.3 had it
[11:58] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: it did.
[11:58] <FeasibilityStudy> I am sure it didnt
[11:58] <FeasibilityStudy> if it did, i am blind.  I have looked for it numerous times
[11:58] <Torch> oxymoron: it's cover switch. sure.
[11:58] <oxymoron> FeasibilityStudy: I think its even possible to drag an image to the desktop and it change :P
[11:58] <oxymoron> Torch: How? :P
[11:59] <FeasibilityStudy> while I am here, can anyone tell me why it is no longer possible to drag and drop an application to the Desktop folder?
[11:59] <Torch> oxymoron: systemsettings -> desktop effects -> effect for window switching: cover switch ;-)
[12:00] <oxymoron> Torch: Ah but for alt+shift+tab? :P
[12:00] <FeasibilityStudy> And, oh, one thing I think really needs to be done to Kwin: emulate compiz's "edge flip pointer."  Does KDE have this feature?  Perhaps I am missing it.
[12:00] <Torch> oxymoron: it's for both
[12:00] <Torch> oxymoron: shift or not just determines the direction
[12:00] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: from where?
[12:01] <FeasibilityStudy> Torch, from the "kickoff" menu
[12:01] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: works for me
[12:01] <FeasibilityStudy> used to, i could just drag, say, amarok from the menu and put it on the desktop.  Now it is no longer possible
[12:01] <oxymoron> Torch: Oh thank you very much! <3 I had been struggling with that for awhile :P
[12:02] <FeasibilityStudy> Torch: not here.  I am trying it right now, and nothing.  Can't even drag anything at all.  When i click on it, it does nothing.
[12:02] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: you can't drag FROM the launcher at all?
[12:02] <FeasibilityStudy> Torch, nope
[12:02] <oxymoron> Torch: I hope I never breakup my desktop though so my settings get restored to default xD Btw, any good Kubuntu backup program that actually works? I want increment backup everyday of /home-folder in the background :)
[12:02] <FeasibilityStudy> I am looking at settings, maybe I accidentally misconfigured something?
[12:03] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: no idea, the launcher doesn't have too many settings afaik
[12:03] <oxymoron> Torch: I have been trying cron and rdiff-backup, but my programmring skills is not that good and google did not provide me a good script for it :P
[12:03] <buckfast> Torch: You mean add it to the Panel?
[12:03] <oxymoron> Torch: A nice GUI would be nice, like Norton Ghost :D
[12:03] <Torch> oxymoron: people seem to like luckybackup as a rsync frontend
[12:03] <Torch> buckfast: no, to the launcher
[12:03] <oxymoron> Torch: Luckybackup sounds nice :P
[12:03] <Torch> oxymoron: i personally don't like it that much.
[12:03] <SummerTime> if kubuntu doesnt update your kde, should i upgrade to 4.4 then?
[12:04] <oxymoron> Torch: What about rsync then? :P
[12:04] <Torch> oxymoron: that's what i use.
[12:04] <Torch> oxymoron: it's hard at first, but it works.
[12:04] <oxymoron> Torch: I would like a GUI first though and not a CLI :P
[12:04] <Torch> oxymoron: well, try luckybackup and see if it works for you.
[12:05] <FeasibilityStudy> Secondly, I have noticed some of my favorite plasmoids dont work in 4.4.  Smooth tasks and YAWP both dont work
[12:05] <FeasibilityStudy> which typically happens with each new KDE.  But its annoying
[12:05] <oxymoron> Torch: Yeah I hope it works and is kind of nice, at least work out for me :P
[12:05] <SummerTime> does kubuntu offer kde 4.4 as an update when i click "update" or not?
[12:06] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: if the plasmoids are developed outside of kde, that's not so surprising.
[12:06] <FeasibilityStudy> torch, yeah these are.  But they are two very popular ones
[12:06] <Torch> SummerTime: read the topic
[12:06] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: talk to their authors
[12:07] <oxymoron> Torch: Hahahaha that was the most childish and ugly looking GUI I have ever seen :D Well if it works I am glad anyway :P What about Keep then, or does it still not work?
[12:07] <FeasibilityStudy> I am sure they already know.
[12:07] <Torch> oxymoron: don't know it.
[12:07] <SummerTime> * Topic for #kubuntu set by Tm_T!tm_travolt@ubuntu/member/kde.developer/jkekkonen at Thu Feb 11 09:40:44 2010
[12:07] <FeasibilityStudy> I am not blaming KDE or the authors, just complaining in general because I am in a complaining mood. ;)
[12:07] <SummerTime> but i dont see the topic :S
[12:07] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: do tell ;-)
[12:07] <Torch> [13:07:46] *** The channel topic is "Official Kubuntu support | Download Kubuntu 9.10: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu | KDE 4.3.5 in backports | KDE SC 4.4 in the Kubuntu Backports PPA: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4 | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IrcGuidelines | Regular helpers: #ubuntu-irc-helpers".
[12:08] <Torch> SummerTime: fix your irc client
[12:08] <SummerTime> ok so whats the problem? im talking about kde 4.4 and u say read the topic :S
[12:08] <Torch> SummerTime: i even quoted it for you. did you read it?
[12:08] <SummerTime> i did
[12:09] <Torch> SummerTime: what does it say about kde 4.4?
[12:09] <FeasibilityStudy> God this really annoys me.  Not being able to drag and drop apps from the kickoff menu to the desktop..WTF?
[12:09] <SummerTime> its in the backports ppa, and i ask should i get it or not?
[12:09] <oxymoron> Torch: I really like this one, a hell lot of options to choose for backup which I like. You can even syncronize the backup destination :P
[12:09] <Torch> SummerTime: you want us to tell you wether you want to have it?
[12:10] <Torch> oxymoron: you're talking about "keep"?
[12:10] <SummerTime> im asking for what kind of experience you guys got from it so far
[12:10] <oxymoron> Torch: No luckybackup :P
[12:10] <FeasibilityStudy> SummerTime: It is probably overall better, but still a little glitchy for me
[12:10] <Torch> SummerTime: it's nice but brings a lot of small problems. if you're not willing to spend some time fixing those, don't upgrade.
[12:11] <SummerTime> "a lot of small problems" such as?
[12:11] <Torch> SummerTime: depends
[12:11] <FeasibilityStudy> AH! I see!  I should file a bug.  I can indeed drag and drop from the "new" style kick off menu, but I like the "classic" style menu better.  From it, you CANNOT drag and drop.  Can someone verify this for me?  Switch to classic style and try.
[12:12] <buckfast> Torch: Thanks, finally got it the way I want (Why does a simple operation have to be so damn difficult)
[12:12] <SummerTime> Torch, is it "best" to wait till Canonical Ltd says u need to update?
[12:12] <Torch> SummerTime: probably
[12:13] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: doesn't sound too surprising. it's probably just not implemented for the classic menu.
[12:13] <oxymoron> Torch: Hahah nice, 35 % => 22 % xD
[12:13] <FeasibilityStudy> Torch: It used to be though
[12:13] <FeasibilityStudy> It was on 4.3
[12:13] <FeasibilityStudy> So why take that out?
[12:13] <SummerTime> alright Torch, ty, wondering though... from what ive seen, it seems that when you hover over an open app in the taskbar, it displays all the other open windows in thumbnail previeuws, right?
[12:14] <oxymoron> Torch: Loading bar goes backwards in luckyBackup xD
[12:14] <Torch> SummerTime: it shows the hovered application's main window
[12:14] <Torch> FeasibilityStudy: i have no idea, i don't use the classic launcher
[12:15] <FeasibilityStudy> Torch, it is much easier IMO.  Much faster
[12:15] <oxymoron> FeasibilityStudy: Yes its a lot more faster ;) I though prefer Lancelot, but for the moment it does not work ...
[12:15] <Peace-> anyone here with karmic and kde 4.4 ?
[12:15] <Peace-> much morebtter o worse?
[12:15] <FeasibilityStudy> Peace-: practically all of us
[12:15] <oxymoron> Peace-: Yes?
[12:15] <Peace-> xD
[12:15] <Peace-> so....
[12:16] <Peace-> i guess i should update my karmic
[12:16] <Peace-> my stable karmic
[12:16] <Peace-> right?
[12:16] <Peace-> no issue ?
[12:16] <Torch> Peace-:  it's nice but brings a lot of small problems. if you're not willing to spend some time fixing those, don't upgrade. </repeat>
[12:16] <Peace-> xD i am a bit scared
[12:16] <oxymoron> Peace-: Both better and worse, mostly better :P But I dont know it seems like I am theo nly one and everyone else got it flawless :D
[12:16] <Torch> Peace-: don't.
[12:16] <SummerTime> Torch, sorry but i dont understand that, ive seen like 4 previews when hovering over 1 app
[12:17] <delight> Peace-: the only issue i had up till now is the the "User Management" in systemsettings is not working any longer
[12:17] <Peace-> printer stuff?
[12:17] <Peace-> is everything all right for printers on systems settings?
[12:17] <delight> Peace-: don't know about printer
[12:18] <Peace-> systemsettigns----->Printers
[12:18] <Peace-> on lucid was messed up
[12:18] <delight> yes :-D
[12:18] <Peace-> mmm
[12:18]  * Peace- wants upgrade... but he is scared
[12:18] <delight> systemsettings "user management" is not even working on lucid
[12:18] <oxymoron> Torch: Do you know how luckybackup works btw? Its a frontend for rsync I have been told by Adept, but I wonder is it possible to run it in the background? I want to sync my home folder with an backupfolder, almost like RAID and Dropbox :P When I change something in home folder the backup folder and rsync should notice :P
[12:19] <delight> Peace-: printer settings looks fine
[12:19] <Peace-> delight: thank you mate
[12:19] <delight> Peace-: but i only got the pdf printer configured
[12:19] <Torch> oxymoron: i know it's a frontend for rsync. i looked at the sources once. then i decided it didn't want to use it ;-)
[12:20] <delight> Peace-: the other "issue" i had is that it still shows me the old splash screen on login ... but I updated to karmic machines ... it only happens on one of them ... don't know how to fix it
[12:20] <oxymoron> Torch: Haha LOL :P But is it possible to cronify rsync? :P I dont know exactly how these things works.
[12:20] <delight> Peace-: you rather update on konsole ... my X crashed/restarted on update
[12:20] <delight> Peace-: on terminal Ctlr+Alt+F1
[12:20] <Peace-> delight: mmm i heard that
[12:21] <oxymoron> delight: My x ONLY crashed even in terminal :D
[12:21] <Peace-> on lucid i got the same crash on X delight
[12:21] <Peace-> upgradign i mean
[12:21] <Torch> oxymoron: i have a daily cron job running rsync, yes.
[12:21] <oxymoron> Torch: How do I setup that?
[12:21] <delight> yes the machine that crashed shows me the old splash screen now ...
[12:22] <delight> besides that i got it all fixed
[12:22] <Torch> oxymoron: there should be quite a number of tutorials somewhere on the web
[12:22] <oxymoron> Torch: What do I search for on Google then? :P
[12:22] <delight> kinda annoying ... but I coudn't find a way to fix it
[12:22] <Torch> oxymoron: "rsync backup" maybe? ;-)
[12:22] <oxymoron> Torch: I havent been lucky when I searched on Google last time to do backup and crons :P
[12:23]  * buckfast updated to KDE4.4 and it hasn't crashed yet (not too bad at least)
[12:23] <Torch> oxymoron: the cron part is simple
[12:23] <Peace-> thank you all
[12:23] <Peace-> bye bye
[12:23] <Peace-> :D
[12:23] <Peace-> peace and love lol
[12:23] <delight> buckfast: we just ment that X was crashing on the update procedure ... not X crashing after
[12:24] <buckfast> had some dependency errors during the upgrade to kde4.4, managed to get by them by using '-f'
[12:24] <oxymoron> Torch: Its possible to run bash scripts and cron, just add them in systemsettings and advanced tab somewhere :P
[12:25] <buckfast> after the upgrade I had 2 panels, one on top of the other :/
[12:25] <oxymoron> Torch: But is it possible in someway syncronize the directories so "on change", update backup folder to the new? :P
[12:25] <delight> buckfast: -f is IMHO not such a good idea ... rather wait for a better update or workaround it by solving conflicts
[12:26] <Torch> oxymoron: yes, with fam for example.
[12:26] <delight> buckfast: i got the 2 panel thing too ... + my network manager dialog shows up on the upper left corner instead of over the networkmanager icon
[12:26] <buckfast> delight: That's what I thought and I'm a bit worried, but so far everything seems to work
[12:26] <Torch> oxymoron: or dnotify. or inotify. or whatever's kewl these days.
[12:27] <Torch> oxymoron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_alteration_monitor
[12:27] <kaddi> how do I disable the bluetooth connection? I don't want it to run by default on boot
[12:27] <anirudh> guys.. typing :() { :|: & };: in the shell causes a crash. any way to prevent this?
[12:27] <anirudh> as in
[12:27] <delight> buckfast: is your network manager dialog @ the right place ?
[12:27] <ikonia> anirudh: do not post that again
[12:27] <ikonia> !danger
[12:27] <anirudh> kill the process after initiation? (jsut for knowledge)
[12:28] <anirudh> yes i know its dangerous.. i want to know how to prevent it
[12:28] <ikonia> anirudh: it's a fork bomb, don't use it
[12:28] <ikonia> anirudh: don't type iot
[12:28] <ikonia> it
[12:28] <oxymoron> Torch: What does that mean for a dummy like me? :D Is there any Backup in Linux for Dummies somewhere? :D I just want a finished bash script and tada :D
[12:28] <ikonia> that's how to prevent it
[12:28] <FloodBotK1> ikonia: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:28] <anirudh> ok
[12:29] <Torch> oxymoron: i don't have that for you, sorry. google for it or learn to write it yourself.
[12:29] <delight> anyone here who knows how i can fix my splash screen ? it still shows up the older oxygen splash screen of kde 4.3 (the ones with the bubbles)
[12:30] <delight> kinda feels out of the place
[12:30] <oxymoron> Torch: yes I am googling but it takes time to find something "good". I dont want any reference, I just want some finished code that just works :D
[12:30] <Torch> delight: in systemsettings, too?
[12:30] <delight> Torch: have tryed that
[12:30] <oxymoron> Torch: Yeah I am lazy sometimes :D But I can programming my own web frameworks and websites though :D
[12:30] <buckfast> delight: I think I had some network manager thing in the tray, it was on the same place as before the upgrade.
[12:30] <buckfast> Removed it though, as I dont need it there
[12:30] <Torch> delight: no, the question is, does it show the old one there as well?
[12:31] <delight> Torch: the preview picture of the standad splash screen is the right one ... but when i click on test design it comes up with the ols splash screen
[12:32] <delight> switching it does not help .. i could not find the place where the splash screen is placed
[12:32] <buckfast> kde 4.3.2 theme was better than 4.4.0 IMO
[12:33] <Torch> delight: it's part of kdebase-workspace-data
[12:33] <Torch> delight: check if this package is installed correctly and up to date
[12:33] <delight> Torch: thank you I will investigate that ;)
[12:34] <delight> Torch: looks good on the first look but I'll check the installed files too 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa7
[12:34] <Torch> delight: the new one should be here: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default
[12:35] <Torch> delight: you could also check if you have any files under $HOME/.kde/share/apps/ksplash
[12:35] <Torch> delight: if you do, remove them
[12:37] <buckfast> delight: Even though I used the -f option on upgrade, apt-get check doesnt give any dependancy errors
[12:38] <kaddi> how do I disable the bluetooth connection? I don't want it to run by default on boot
[12:40] <delight> Torch: in my /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default the background.png for 600x400, 800x600 and 1024x768 are 0Byte ... is this normal ... besides that only the 1600x1200 got the ractangle and icon pngs
[12:41] <delight> i got 1680*1050 as a resolution ... wonder which version kde pics :-D
[12:46] <oxymoron> Torch: Btw, one question why does my HDD only transfer files in under 20 MB/S, isnt it possible to like speed it up to 100 MB/S
[12:49] <oxymoron> Torch: i guess it has something todo with NTFS vs etx3 ...
[12:59] <oxymoron> Torch: Do I need luckyBackup open to work with cron?
[13:02] <Torch> oxymoron: re the speed: 100 mb is theoretical, in practice 20 mb isn't uncommon (with peaks higher, though)
[13:02] <Torch> oxymoron: the filesystem shouldn't matter that much, they're all pretty fast these days for large file transfers
[13:03] <Torch> oxymoron: no idea, i don't know much about luckybackup
[13:03] <Torch> oxymoron: cron however does not need it, of course
[13:04] <oxymoron> Torch: I would like transfer 4.4 GB movie images more fast and specially I want to unpack rar archives faster :P I mean the file transfer speed localy on my computer is the same speed as I download files on the web ... that is ironic :D
[13:04] <oxymoron> Torch: I am not sure if it works, but I cronjobed luckyBackup so it maybe works later on :)
[13:05] <ToxinPowe> I have problems with Kaffeine when I try to change tv channels, any help plz? :/
[13:05] <oxymoron> Torch: Not sure what is what though with the file transfers :P is it NTFS, my hardrives is old, Unix/Linux, Kubuntu and so on :P
[13:05] <Torch> oxymoron: usually it's just the drive not being as fast as one hopes it would be.
[13:05] <oxymoron> Torch: Should be possible to at least get 50 MB/S transfer rate.
[13:07] <oxymoron> Torch: In theory SATA2 support 2-300 MB/S I think, but in the practical matter it just seems to be like 1 percent of it :D I dont need superhigh transfers, but around 50 MB/S would be nice :)
[13:07] <oxymoron> Torch: Not sure with SSD though, but I have not enough money to use SSD 1.5 TB :D
[13:08] <Torch> oxymoron: pastebin the output of sudo hdparm -t -T <your disk, e.g. /dev/sda>
[13:08] <Torch> i'm afk now, though... lunch.
[13:11] <oxymoron> Torch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375462/ - sda is SATA1 OS disk (Bad I know), sdb and sdc SATA2 storage disks
[13:15] <remaxim> hi
[13:17] <remaxim> are there actually KDE 4.4 sources for jaunty?
[13:30] <Torch> oxymoron: these values are fine.
[13:32] <SummerTime> which cd iso burner program should i use to burn kubuntu to a cd? im on windows atm
[13:35] <SummerTime> and suddenly its quiet >.<
[13:38] <remaxim> SummerTime, explain what you mean with suddenly :P ... try imgburn I guess (if I remember the name right)
[13:38] <SummerTime> ok thx
[13:43] <SummerTime> 1 more question: if i download kub 9.10, will it have kde 4.4 or 4.3?
[13:47] <frodoleggins> hi all, is there a news about a ppa with openoffice 3.2???
[13:48] <remaxim> SummerTime, 4.3 with 4.4 in the repository AFAIK ...
[13:49] <SummerTime> alright
[13:49] <SummerTime> and what do i have to do if i dont have a cd to burn it to? >.<
[13:57] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:04] <oxymoron> Torch: Define fine? :P
[14:12] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: Hi there :)
[14:13] <oxymoron> Is it possible to change the look of the panel bar?
[14:15] <Flashtek> good god it's crowded in here..
[14:15] <BluesKaj>  oxymoron ,yes in system settings themes , I think
[14:16] <BluesKaj> but it changes your apps and file-look as well
[14:16] <oxymoron> BluesKaj: I mean just not only the theme like air, oxygen and so on, I moslty thought the layout, I want rounded corners and make it centered and so on :P
[14:17] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, Im probly the wrong guy to ask
[14:17] <Ahox> Hi, how do I tell kpackagekit that it should not use a proxy?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> oxymoron, those options are all there I'm sure, just look around
[14:19] <Ahox> kpackagekit throws an Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kde4libs/kdelibs5_4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2_amd64.deb 407 Proxy Authentication Required at me...
[14:20] <InvaderZim> I'm installing kde 4.4 though the ppa. When Lucid is out, what will happen? Will all the packages need to be downloaded again, or what?
[14:21] <Ahox> InvaderZim,  yes, because the packages will be most likely be updatet
[14:22] <InvaderZim> So it won't break, I'll eventually get the "official" non ppa kde 4.4 package right?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> InvaderZim, yes, updates will take care of it and all other pkges you have installed from the repos
[14:27] <InvaderZim> nice... ok thanks!
[14:40] <mefiX> hey guys. i just installed kde (kubuntu-desktop packeg) on an ubuntu-system, everything works fine, except one annoying thing: ALT+F1 is not working, in a konsole the shortcut creates a "P"
[14:40] <mefiX> i've got "evdev managed keyboard" selected in region settings
[14:46] <pucko-> what is alt+f1 supposed to do?
[14:57] <oxymoron> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kde4.4+alternative?content=120114 - This should everyone has :D
[14:57] <m44> buenas tardes
[15:02] <ToxinPowe> oxymoron: yes, it's good
[15:03] <oxymoron> ToxinPowe: :)
[15:08] <oxymoron> Does somebody know what this theme is: http://everaldo.com/crystal/images/Crystal_firefox.jpg? Except the icons, I want IT NOW! :D
[15:11] <sourcemaker> Desktop Search (Strigi) is not working... error mesage: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownObject - No such object path '/org/soprano/Server'"
[15:12] <sourcemaker> "Unsupported operation (2)": "Invalid model"
[15:12] <sourcemaker> KDE 4.4
[15:14] <ToxinPowe> very stupid where is the shuffle botton on amarok2?
[15:15] <oxymoron> http://everaldo.com/crystal/images/screen1.jpg - If someone know how to get that theme, PM me fast as you can :P
[15:15] <ToxinPowe> nevermind
[15:16] <oxymoron> http://everaldo.com/crystal/images/Crystal_Desktop.jpg *
[15:17] <pucko-> sourcemaker, I think you should probably use the virtuoso backend instead (in virtuoso-nepomuk package). not sure why soprano breaks on upgrade though. happened here too
[15:17] <ToxinPowe> it's beatiful
[15:18] <sourcemaker> pucko-: so remove all soprano packages?
[15:19] <pucko-> sourcemaker, I just installed virtuoso-nepomuk, and strigi automatically found it and converted the db to it
[15:19] <Mamarok> oxymoron: install kde-icons-crystal and kwin-style-crystal
[15:19] <sourcemaker> pucko-: ok thanks
[15:20] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Holy fuck, thank you very much! :)
[15:20] <somekool> i got plasma working under 4.4 but krunner still crash É
[15:21] <oxymoron> Mamarok: And how do I enable it? :) It sorted out I already got them :P
[15:21] <Mamarok> !language | oxymoron
[15:21] <Mamarok> oxymoron: in the System Settings -> Appearance
[15:22] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Thank you :) Oh sorry, my language ...
[15:23] <Fishlover> i just bought a CD-R of 700MB to burn kubuntu 9.10, is that enough?
[15:24] <Mamarok> Fishlover: that should be enough, yes
[15:24] <Fishlover> cheers
[15:25] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Do you know how to setup to get exactly the same look as posted above? :)
[15:26] <sourcemaker> pucko-: packaged installed... but the problem remains
[15:26] <oxymoron> Seriously my desktop finally is going to look awesome :P
[15:26] <Mamarok> oxymoron: not really, no, you will ave to try, and of course restart KDE to have it work
[15:26] <Fishlover> oh wait, i installed Active@ ISO Burner, and i got an error of compatibility or so, but the installwizard said its installed succesfully
[15:26] <oxymoron> Mamarok: How do you restart KDE? And shouldnt it show directly if you apply?
[15:27] <Mamarok> oxymoron: log out
[15:27] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Alright, thanks will try out :)
[15:28] <Fishlover> Mamarok, ?
[15:29] <ToxinPowe> Mamarok: Can you tell me where I can set the  kwin-style-crystal?
[15:29] <Mamarok> ToxinPowe: see above my answer to oxymoron
[15:30] <Mamarok> in the SystemSettings
[15:30] <ToxinPowe> ups, sry
[15:30] <ToxinPowe> ok t
[15:30] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Thank you, it looks freaking awesome now :) I just havent figure out yet how to get that style as posted above :P
[15:30] <Mamarok> Fishlover: I didn't follow, sorry
[15:30] <Fishlover> i installed Active@ ISO Burner, and i got an error of compatibility or so, but the installwizard said its installed succesfully
[15:30] <Mamarok> oxymoron: well, try changing stuff in the Appearance
[15:31] <Mamarok> Fishlover: I don't know that application, sorry
[15:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I am, but I cant figure out how to get that black and grey perfect combo to get crystal clear aweseomeness :P
[15:31] <RelookNA> morning
[15:31] <Mamarok> oxymoron: neither do I, ask Everaldo on http://kde-look.org
[15:31] <Fishlover> ok
[15:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Thank you :)
[15:32] <RelookNA> Can somebody help me get my audio back to my Desktop speakers?
[15:33] <RelookNA> I can watch videos just cannot hear them :)
[15:33] <RelookNA> dunno where to look
[15:34] <Mamarok> RelookNA: check the Kmix settings: in the SysTray,right click on the loudspeaker icon and go to the mixer. Check if no channel is muted
[15:34] <RelookNA> tks
[15:35] <RelookNA> I shoud have a loudspeaker in the bottom sys tray?
[15:35] <RelookNA> k, better add that first :)
[15:36] <Mamarok> yes, maybe it is hidden, click on the small arrow on the left of the SysTray
[15:37] <Darkrift2> I cannot figure out how to get icons in the quick launch widget
[15:37] <Darkrift2> before i could drag them, now i have to browse
[15:38] <Fishlover> can someone help  me with downloading kubuntu plz?
[15:38] <Mamarok> Fishlover: see the first link in the channel topic :)
[15:39] <Fishlover> yes but i dont understand
[15:39] <Mamarok> clik on it and follow the link to the download
[15:40] <Fishlover> which release: normal or netbook version? -> normal
[15:40] <Fishlover> but then...
[15:40] <Fishlover> which type of pc?
[15:40] <Mamarok> Fishlover: what computer do you have?
[15:41] <Fishlover> i have x86, but my proc isnt listed in it
[15:41] <d_ed> you want desktop x86
[15:41] <d_ed> Standard Personal Computer
[15:41] <d_ed> it'll work
[15:42] <Fishlover> ok, and then, location, there are 4 but idk the closest one
[15:42] <d_ed> yes
[15:42] <Fishlover> ?
[15:44] <Fishlover> ive chosen randomly out of the 4
[15:44] <d_ed> yeah, any is fine
[15:44] <Fishlover> then it says: Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer.
[15:44] <Fishlover> should i fill that box with a sort of V sign or leave it empty?
[15:45] <d_ed> leave it empty
[15:45] <Fishlover> ok
[15:45] <Fishlover> thx :)
[15:45] <ubuntu> i have a partitioning issue
[15:46] <Fishlover> 682MB :O, thats very close to 700MB :O
[15:46] <ubuntu> when i try to install from live disk to my 1.5tb raid0 it will not let me do anything but take over full disk
[15:49] <harolddong> anybody been having problems with kopete since upgrading to 4.4?  I open it, it starts to sign in, asks for passwords to a couple of accounts that it wont save for some reason and then crashes.  There is not even a crash reporter or anything it just vanishes.  The changes I've made recently are upgrading to 4.4 and setting up the jabber facebook account in it.
[15:50] <RelookNA> Mamarok: my trashcan is always visible, but nothing to the left of it except my opened tabs.. I checdked in add widget, but no such widget
[15:50] <Peace-> harolddong: have you renamed your old $HOME/.kde
[15:51] <harolddong> no
[15:51] <RelookNA> Mamarok: and I have no arrows hiding anything there
[15:52] <Peace-> harolddong: a lots of time when i upgraded kde  to solve my problem i have just renamed that folder
[15:52] <Mamarok> RelookNA: did you right-click on it?
[15:52] <Mamarok> RelookNA: by default I have 3 launchers already
[15:53] <RelookNA> when I right-click I get panel options
[15:53] <Mamarok> on the extreme right, right next to the cashew, you should see 3 buttons
[15:54] <harolddong> I did already wipe the old kopete settings files specifically once though. That worked for a little while but ts doing it again.  I'm really I can figure out a simpler fix because backing up and restoring pim settings and histories after renaming/deleting any profile folders is reeealllly cumbersome
[15:55] <harolddong> *really hoping
[15:56] <RelookNA> Mamarok: http://www.quickfilepost.com/download.do?get=519bfeb9974a6c505fcd5ed52c7af745
[15:56] <RelookNA> snapshot of what my desktop currently looks like
[15:57] <Mamarok> RelookNA: there is indeed no launcher, how did you add it?
[15:58] <RelookNA> add what?  :)
[16:00] <Mamarok> RelookNA: the Launcher
[16:00] <RelookNA> I do not have a launcher that I see
[16:01] <RelookNA> all I can do is right-click to see panel options
[16:01] <Mamarok> RelookNA: well, you said you did add the Quicklauncher, obviously you didn't
[16:02] <Fishlover> WTF??????? the iso file was downloading and it was at 79MB and suddenly its fully downloaded????? :S
[16:02] <RelookNA> ah, I got it now, tks!
[16:02] <RelookNA> doh!
[16:02] <Mamarok> click on the cashew next to the trashcan, then add widget, search for WQuicklauncher and double click on it adds it to the panel
[16:02] <Mamarok> Fishlover: please do not shout and watch your language
[16:03] <Fishlover> ok sorry, but whats ur thought on it?
[16:04] <Fishlover> the file is called "kubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso" so its the right one :o
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Fishlover, right click on the iso choose propertied , check the size versus the size given on the DL page
[16:06] <BluesKaj> properties
[16:06] <harolddong> okay not only is koete crashing itself but it's crashing plasma. it was working fine just a few hours ago.  I don't get it
[16:06] <Fishlover> 86.7 MB
[16:07] <Fishlover> woah, i got scammed!
[16:08] <Mamarok> Fishlover: download it form another mirror then
[16:08] <Fishlover> i chose another location yeah
[16:10] <Fishlover> oops, i started downloading and i forgot to delete the bad one, the one im downloading now is "kubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386(1).iso" right?
[16:10] <RelookNA> tks for your patience with me Mamarok!   U-rock Mamarok !
[16:10] <vbgunz> Fishlover: you have only a 32 bit processor?
[16:10] <Mamarok> RelookNA: you are welcome :)
[16:10] <Fishlover> yes vbgunz :(
[16:11] <vbgunz> Fishlover: thats the one you want
[16:11] <Fishlover> i know
[16:11] <Fishlover> ur a bit late :p
[16:11] <vbgunz> amd64 is for 64bit processors only intel or amd, etc
[16:11] <vbgunz> I just got in
[16:12] <vbgunz> I still have a problem with nepomuk, anyone know whats up with the nepomuk agent disabled?
[16:12] <rmrfslash> Someone should make plasmoid dev bindings for PHP
[16:12] <Fishlover> my device manager says i have 2 processors, so i have a core 2 duo? or dualcore?
[16:16] <harolddong> hm. I figure out my kopete crashing problem. kopete was set to save the passwords but kwaller never saved the pass to the facebook/jabber account.  I manually out it in and now no more crashes.
[16:16] <harolddong> yay
[16:16] <harolddong> *put
[16:17] <kuse> After I added the kubuntu backports ppa to get kde 4.4, im getting thrown out to console on every package update, why is that?
[16:19] <harolddong> they were updating kdm a bunch right after the release. and that can kill you graphics
[16:20] <harolddong> till you reboot
[16:20] <harolddong> if I'm understanding you correctly
[16:20] <harolddong> the last kdm update that would have caused that issue on install was yesterday for me
[16:20] <kuse> got mine 1 min ago
[16:21] <harolddong> ahh havent ehcked yet today
[16:21] <harolddong> *checkd
[16:21] <harolddong> well that'swhat it is.  they borked the packes this time and are slowing fixing them
[16:22] <yuriy> how do I turn off the drag window to the top of the screen to maximize it behavior in 4.4? I can't find the option
[16:23] <harolddong> its probably a good idea, if you see there are kdm updates, to just cancel and do a console login to update.  that's what I do. that way I can actually see it and make sure the update finishes before I reboot
[16:24] <kuse> ah k ty for the tip :)
[16:26] <harolddong> yuriy> it'sinn system settings/desktop/screen edges
[16:26] <iconmefisto> yuriy: systemsettings > desktop > screen edges. untick "maximize windows by dragging them to the top of the screen"
[16:27] <yuriy> harolddong, iconmefisto thanks, glossed right over that
[16:28] <harolddong> I sorta like that function but sometimes it can get in the way
[16:28] <yuriy> it's been rather annoying. i almost never want maximized windows on a 1920x1200 screen and it makes it difficult to drag them to the top
[16:29] <harolddong> yeah it's probably not for you then
[16:42] <zubin71> hi i just got this notification saying that there are a few bugs that need to be patched ; when i clicked review and patch it tried connecting via a proxy i had set a long time back;  how do i change that option?
[16:44] <zubin71> would running apt-get do the same?
[16:44] <zubin71> thankx in advance!
[16:47] <oxymoron> I want to resize the app launcher logo in the bottom left corner, how do I do?
[17:03] <charles__> bonjoour
[17:04] <charles__> pk tout le monde parle ac des messages bizarre
[17:04] <Tm_T> !fr | charles__
[17:05] <Tm_T> uh, and hi all
[17:05] <charles__> hi
[17:06] <charles__> anybody knows how to install a package on kubuntu
[17:07] <Tm_T> charles__: depends on package
[17:09] <Peace-> charles__: right click open with gdebi ?
[17:09] <Peace-> charles__: sudo dpkg -i PATH/package.deb?
[17:09] <chisel_> is this the right chan to config a joystick to kubuntu?
[17:10] <chisel_> logitech attack 3. i've done sudo apt-get joystick thus far
[17:12] <chisel_> i'm trying to play flight gear, but my puter doesn't see the joystick. what should i do?
[17:12] <iconmefisto> chisel_: systemsettings > keyboard & mouse > joystick
[17:12] <chisel_> i'll check that out, brb
[17:14] <chisel_> ok, the cursor tracks the joystick. but device manager isn't chiming up that i've plugged it iin. should that bother me or no?
[17:20] <chisel_> iconmefisto: i've callibrated the joystick. is there any other precaution i should take at this time?
[17:22] <ubuntu_> hi
[17:22] <chisel_> hiya
[17:32] <Fishlover> which mathsprogram has the most options and such, shortly said: the best, it has to run on linux
[17:33] <Exilant> the best program is probably mathematica
[17:33] <Exilant> but that costs $$$
[17:33] <Fishlover> and is that free?
[17:33] <Fishlover> it has to be free too :p
[17:33] <Exilant> sage is also cool, and also expensive
[17:34] <Exilant> free, hm. try octave for matrix calculations
[17:34] <Exilant> gnuplot is great for visualizing stuff and nonlinear least-squares
[17:35] <Exilant> yacas(?), haven't used it in a while, is a symbolic math program
[17:36] <Exilant> and then of course there's wolfram alpha
[17:40] <Fishlover> alright thx
[17:40] <Fishlover> kubuntu is just finished downloading ^^
[17:45] <varisitee> which is the best command line client for IRC
[17:45] <KubuAI> ciao
[17:46] <nOStahl> hey guys i just installed kubuntu on my eeepc 901 the netbook version and ran updates to get kde 4.4 boots up to blackscreen
[17:47] <nOStahl> but i can do alt-f2 to get konsole access and such. how do i fix this
[17:55] <apparle> hi
[17:57] <harolddong> n0Stahl> its updating kdm so its killing the graphics. restart do a console login to finish the update
[17:58] <Darkrift2> ok, so i have 2 kubuntu 9.x laptops side by side. how would i network them using a cat5 cable?
[18:02] <inclement> Darkrift2: If it's a crossover cable, just plug one in at each end, AFAIK
[18:02] <inclement> Kubuntu will likely just do the right thing
[18:04] <mcguire> Hi everybody, I want to start to help development of Kubuntu specific software (programming, not packaging), could someone point me to the right documentation/wiki page that explain from where to checkout code, ...  I've only found https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development#Programming which is not really helpful in this case. Sorry if I missed something.
[18:04] <Darkrift2> someone earlier said crossover cables arent needed these days :
[18:04] <Darkrift2> damn
[18:04] <Darkrift2> screw it, im using a usb hd
[18:04] <nOStahl> harolddong so hit alt-f2 and open konsole? then what
[18:08] <Guest54206> Air final update (plasma theme)   How to install blue theme  not black theme my os kubuntu 9.10
[18:11] <LinusT> Darkrift2: As long as one side is a gigabit ethernet port, crossover isn't needed (but it is acceptable).
[18:13] <kaddi_>  #ubuntu-irc-helpers
[18:13] <kaddi_> oups
[18:13] <kaddi_> :ü
[18:13] <kaddi_> :p
[18:14] <nOStahl> hey guys i just updated to 4.4 how do i let it finish the update
[18:14] <harolddong> you have to restart
[18:14] <nOStahl> i have restarted several times
[18:15] <harolddong> I mean the update is still going even though you can't see anything. if its been running this tie it might be done anyway
[18:15] <harolddong> just restart
[18:16] <nOStahl> k hit alt-f2 pulled up konsole and typed sudo halt
[18:16] <nOStahl> then hit powerbutton after it shut down and its rebooting now
[18:17] <nOStahl> kdm loads up fine
[18:17] <Fishlover> sorry that i gotta complain here about something on windows, but the chatroom which im in was gonna help and they turned silent now :@, so: who can help me with imgburn?
[18:17] <nOStahl> still going to black screen though
[18:17] <nOStahl> i hear the startup sound
[18:17] <nOStahl> and see a cursor, and kde wallet asks for password to log into wifi
[18:20] <mcguire> anybody to answer to my simple (but long) question? I just want a link.
[18:21] <esdaniel> mcguire: at launchpad you can find the teams for stuff, find riddle and he'll point you in right direction
[18:22] <Tm_T> mcguire: to get involved, join #kubuntu-devel
[18:24] <mcguire> I've posted the same question on #kubuntu-devel but it appears that nobody is reading messages although a lot of people are connected
[18:24] <mcguire> esdaniel: launchpad.net ?
[18:25] <MuffinPimp> is there an alternitive to seahorse for KDE?
[18:25] <MuffinPimp> For OpenSSH keys?
[18:27] <esdaniel> mcguire: https://launchpad.net/~jr
[18:27] <esdaniel> mcguire: email him and he'll give you the right info plus there's a uk kde mailing list, 2 secs
[18:28] <esdaniel> mcguire: have a gander of this lot and pick one to announce your intentions: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo
[18:29] <mcguire> esdaniel: thanks a lot
[18:30] <esdaniel> mcguire: damn thing is not up to date, use this: http://lists.quaker.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-en-gb
[18:31] <esdaniel> mcguire: translators know the devs rather well and will point you towards someone
[18:31] <mcguire> esdaniel: ok
[18:31] <esdaniel> mcguire: riddle is best bet though
[18:32] <esdaniel> mcguire: say hi to them here: #kubuntu-devel ;-)
[18:41] <nOStahl> i cant figure how to finish the upgrade to 4.4
[18:41] <nOStahl> not finding anything online
[18:42] <mcguire> nOStahl: have you tried somethink like "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:42] <nOStahl> aye
[18:42] <nOStahl> 0 files to upgrade
[18:43] <mcguire> nOStahl: what made you think that update is not finished?
[18:44] <nOStahl> other person here said it wasnt and thats why the graphics were being kicked off
[18:44] <nOStahl> installed 9.10 kubuntu then enabled the ppa and did dist-upgrade
[18:44] <nOStahl> and rebooted when it was complete
[18:44] <nOStahl> goes through kdm and then black screen now
[18:46] <mefiX> can anyone here recommend an id3-tag editor?
[18:47] <mcguire> ok, it's a problem with settings in ~/.kde folder, reboot your computer, don't log to kdm, go to console using ctrl-alt-f1, log in, do "mv .kde .kde_old", go login in kdm using ctrl-alt-f7 (or f8 maybe), KDE should start with initial settings
[18:48] <mcguire> nOStahl: let me know if it works (... or not)
[18:52] <nOStahl> still blackscreen
[18:54] <mcguire> mefiX: Amarok, kid3, id3, id3v2, id3ren, id3tool
[18:56] <buckfast> How do I set a media key to open Amarok?
[18:57] <esdaniel> nOStahl: did you flick the dist-upgrade switch?
[18:57] <nOStahl> whats that
[18:58] <esdaniel> nOStahl: aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:59] <nOStahl> says 0 packages to upgrade
[19:00] <esdaniel> nOStahl: probably worth mv plasmarc and then seeing if you can get in
[19:00] <nOStahl> plasmarc is where
[19:01] <esdaniel> nOStahl: configs are in $home/.kde/share/config/  - backup with "mv", use "rm" to del and then try again
[19:04] <esdaniel> nOStahl: rm the plasma configs inc the desktopappletrc and so on then if that doesn't work we need to take a closer look
[19:17] <shadeslayer> anyone have chrome/chromium and is a facebook user?
[19:19] <Peace-> shadeslayer:luckly no
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Peace-: hehe... well theres this strange bug.. chrome on windows runs zynga poker fine but chrome on kubuntu cant load any table lists
[19:21] <Peace-> dunno man
[19:21] <Peace-> i use konqueror
[19:21] <Peace-> xD
[19:21] <Peace-> just to understand how much i use browsing xD
[19:21] <shadeslayer> Peace-: hmm can you check it out in konqueror? ( if you use fb )
[19:22] <MuffinPimp> shadeslayer: I use chromium
[19:22] <Peace-> shadeslayer: page?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> MuffinPimp: yeah it doesnt work in chromium too...
[19:22] <MuffinPimp> Let me see
[19:25] <MuffinPimp> shadeslayer: It looks fine to me
[19:25] <MuffinPimp> shadeslayer_: It looks fine to me
[19:26] <shadeslayer_> um... well this is the link : http://apps.facebook.com/texas_holdem/index.php?
[19:26] <shadeslayer_> if anyone wants to try it out in chromium or chrome... or for that matter konqueror
[19:27] <MuffinPimp> Well it looks fine in chromium-daily
[19:28] <shadeslayer_> the problem is that the lists dont appear
[19:32] <MuffinPimp> shadeslayer_: I see what you mean
[19:33] <MuffinPimp> ohh he left
[19:41] <vbgunz> I finally fixed my nepomuk problem. to fix it was crazy though but probably well worth it. I simply moved my .kde/share/config to .kde/share/config in tty1 and redid all my KDE 4.4 configs. not for the faint of heart. it also fixed my window grouping. I had configs in there for years. took about 2 hours to get most of my desktop back to the way I like it
[19:42] <vbgunz> I moved it to .kde/share/config__backup/  :/
[19:48] <vbgunz> KDE 4.4 really seems to chug along compared to 4.3.5. one of things I looked forward to most was one of the things KDE 4.4 touted and that was improved all around performance :/
[19:52] <tim__> how do I zero a drive if it has errors?
[19:54] <MuffinPimp> Umm I upgraded to kde4.4 and there are duplicates of everything. How do I reset KDE so that it's like it was when I first installed kubuntu?
[19:55] <vbgunz> MuffinPimp: dupes? you mean dupe plasma widgets?
[19:55] <MuffinPimp> yes
[19:55] <MuffinPimp> Like 2 panels
[19:57] <MWisBest> Ok, I'm a little frustrated. Synaptic and a few other programs don't use my KDE4.4 themes.
[19:57] <vbgunz> I had the same issue and I just deleted the dupes
[19:57] <MuffinPimp> meh that works
[19:58] <MWisBest> Synaptic and some other programs look like they're running in Win98, it's ugly.
[19:59] <vbgunz> MuffinPimp: sort of sucks. makes you think something wrong. at least thats what I thought but it seemed to work
[19:59] <MWisBest> I want them to use the Air theme I have.
[20:00] <MWisBest> Thanks for the "help". I'll go check in the #ubuntu room and see what they say.
[20:00] <MuffinPimp> Yeah
[20:11] <aze_> qlq parle le français ici?
[20:11] <Flutiju`> Moi
[20:11] <aze_> enfin
[20:11] <Flutiju`> !fr
[20:11] <Flutiju`> :p
[20:12] <aze_> je peux te parlé en priv
[20:14] <bbigras> non tu ne peux pas
[20:16] <Fangz> Hey, is anyone using kubuntu with wubi on W7?
[20:26] <Benkinooby> hi, does anybody know a good german proxy
[20:27] <Benkinooby> i know it is off-topic, but from experience i know there are some germans around... i am staying in switzerland (i am german) and want to use the ard-olympia-live-stream.
[20:58] <berserker> Hay Did anyone get the kde 4.4 to work
[20:58] <berserker> ?
[20:59] <ilumi> on kopete msn, i try to download files from other users, i click on download (i guess that is accept) but it doesnt download
[20:59] <ilumi> any ideas, do i need to open any ports on the router?
[21:04] <berserker> Hay Did anyone get the kde 4.4 update to work? when I try it, it seems to kill my plasma shell
[21:16] <ian__> leave
[21:43] <claydoh>  bambule hello :)
[21:46] <claydoh> bambule: you may need to unlock widgets - right-click on the panel somewhere and look for panel options
[21:46] <claydoh> and actually the option to remove it is there as well :)
[21:47] <Darkrift2> wait, wy is only 3g of my 4g of ram recognized? I thought linux could handle the full 4g
[21:49] <bambule> claydoh: ahh, unlocking first was the key the success. thank you!
[21:55] <Midnight_Owl> Hey all my sounds not working when i click on the sound icon i get this, No volume control ("GStreamer plugins and/or devices found") - any ideas of what i could do?
[21:59] <lukefeil> hi
[21:59] <lukefeil> i need a way to test the akonadi-state in a script
[22:00] <lukefeil> i tried  "pgrep akonaditray" but there's a positiv answer even when akonadi isn't running
[22:01] <lukefeil> does someone know a command
[22:01] <lukefeil> ?
[22:03] <Midnight_Owl> Looks like i got to reinstall my ALSA drivers >_<
[22:18] <Kindergarten> How do I setup when i enter a wrong password using sudo to insult me :D
[22:18] <koltroll> Guys, everytime I log into KDE I need to "Resume Compositing". Any idea on why that is? It's really annoying since I use gnome-do as dock, and it won't start if compositing isn't activated.
[22:20] <ali_alkali> hi
[22:22] <koltroll> tho I must say kde 4.4 kicks ass.
[22:37] <m100> hi horses
[22:37] <m100> hallo stupid
[22:47] <mhido55> bsr all
[22:49] <Fangz> how do I get wubi to install a 64bit version of kubuntu?
[22:51] <shane_> what happened to partimage in the kubuntu repositories?
[22:54] <mauri> is there a way to start a disto (ie kubuntu) not from root but from a folder?.......
[22:56] <shane_> mauri: how do you mean?
[22:57] <izzyb> mauri: you want to boot to a subdirectory of the root system?
[22:57] <mauri> izzyb: yes
[22:58] <mauri> in order to have entire distro not in the root partition ma in its subfolder...is it possiible
[22:59] <izzyb> hmm, what are you trying to accomplish?  I think it can be done, but I'm confused as to why you'd want to
[22:59] <frodoleggins> hy all, is there someone that may help me with a internet key?
[22:59] <frodoleggins> i've a vodafone key that don't work
[23:00] <frodoleggins> i've tried different ways
[23:00] <frodoleggins> without results
[23:00] <mauri> izzyb: are you there
[23:01] <izzyb> yes
[23:01]  * izzyb checking grub config
[23:01] <mauri> izzyb: is my question stupid?
[23:02] <mauri> izzyb: probably is not possible to do it
[23:02] <izzyb> well, depends on what you're trying to do
[23:02] <izzyb> I seem to recall there is a linux kernal param that lets you set the root partition, not sure if it lets you set it to a path inside it
[23:02]  * izzyb is checking
[23:03] <mauri> izzyb: just move entire kubuntu folders (boot/bin etc) into a single one
[23:03] <mauri> izzyb: and after boot grub from that folder
[23:03] <humberto> hi
[23:05] <izzyb> mauri: I'm not sure I follow why you want to do this.  I know you can chroot after boot to change your root folder
[23:05] <izzyb> and if done in initrd you'd get what you're asking fore
[23:06] <mauri> izzyb: do you know where  ican find a documentation in order to do this
[23:06] <mauri> im not an expert
[23:07] <izzyb> hmm, this isn't something you'd want to do if you aren't an expert.  its likely it'll break all kinds of things
[23:07] <izzyb> I'd suggest starting with the linuxfromscratch project if it's still around
[23:07] <izzyb> it explains the boot process of linux quite well.
[23:07] <mauri> izzyb: dont worry.... i will strong
[23:07]  * izzyb looks for a link
[23:08] <izzyb> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[23:09] <izzyb> mauri: I think that'll get you started.
[23:09] <mauri> izzyb: thanks a lot even if i know that it will not easy
[23:10] <izzyb> mauri: well, it will teach you about the bootup process for linux and how to manipulate it
[23:10] <mauri> izzyb: tnk again
[23:11] <izzyb> np, hope it helps.
[23:12] <izzyb> anyone know what happened to partimage in the repositories?
[23:13] <olskolirc> do we have a new kubuntu release coming soon or anything please?
[23:14] <nonameNN> hey all
[23:15] <nonameNN> i have a question, can i disable wallpaper change effect? and if possible how?
[23:16] <izzyb> olskolirc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[23:16] <izzyb> olskolirc: next release not due until April
[23:16] <olskolirc> thanks izzyb
[23:17] <izzyb> olskolirc: np
[23:18] <izzyb> nonameNN: You mean you want to prevent chaning the wallpaper?
[23:19] <nonameNN> izzyb: nope, i dont want the "effect" i want to change them but not with the transition effect
[23:20] <izzyb> nonameNN: sorry, not sure how...