[00:00] <BUGabundo> a bit more serious, komputes, it either dies after 300MBs, or raises CPU a lot, or just stucks in usb tranfer
[00:00] <BUGabundo> rww: I know it by heart
[00:00] <komputes> BUGabundo: the log ~/.usb-creator.log should have any debug messages
[00:01] <komputes> BUGabundo: I've seen that before...
[00:01] <rww> BUGabundo: How come you didn't know that A3 isn't out yet, then ;P
[00:01]  * komputes is looking
[00:01] <BUGabundo> komputes: $ pastebinit .usbcreator.log  http://paste.ubuntu.com/375088/
[00:02] <BUGabundo> ohh and there's always those lovely ones, where you format a pen, and it doesn't see it, until replug
[00:02] <komputes> BUGabundo: does this PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~ev/+archive/ppa offer a newer version od usb-creator?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> and FYI I'm always confused of what really to chose... device or partition...
[00:03] <BUGabundo> if I'm confused I have no idea what _common_ users feel
[00:03] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 0.2.15
[00:03] <BUGabundo> 0.1.11~ppa1	
[00:04] <BUGabundo> I don't think so komputes
[00:07] <hipitihop> I'm still on 9.10 but wonder if any work is happening on Bluetooth support for keyboards/mouse
[00:13] <komputes> BUGabundo: for the 'dies after 300MB' scenario, try using gparted to delete any partitions on that disk, and then, format it with usb-creator - problem still there?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> komputes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375092/ does this make the tiny sense to you ??
[00:13] <BUGabundo> komputes: funy.... that's what I did, and now I get this error :\
[00:13] <BUGabundo> its *worse* now
[00:14] <komputes> BUGabundo: quit usb-creator, unmount the disk and open usb-creator and format the disk
[00:14] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:14] <komputes> i know
[00:14] <BUGabundo> what's the diff between gparted and usb-creator format?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> WTH
[00:15] <BUGabundo> komputes: plugging the pen *after* opening usb-creator makes it work :\\\\
[00:19] <komputes> BUGabundo: not too sure, gparted uses libparted, usb-creator usesmkfs.vfat (i think, not sure)
[00:19] <BUGabundo> komputes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375095/
[00:19] <BUGabundo> it worked but still generated that error
[00:20] <BUGabundo> md5suming the pendrive now
[00:20] <naught101> when I start up in lucid kubuntu, knetworkmanager doesn't seem to start networkmanager, I have to quit it, and use nm-applet instead
[00:20] <naught101> anyone know how I might find out what's wrong?
[00:22] <BUGabundo> mew
[00:22] <BUGabundo> komputes: I just formated it with UC (nothing I did managed to allow me to make it work) and now it complains no free space :(
[00:23] <komputes> BUGabundo: yes, I've seen that before, just eject the device, plug it back in and reformat the drive with UC
[00:24] <BUGabundo> that's what I did komputes
[00:24] <BUGabundo> eventually it worked
[00:24] <komputes> would like to see UC run more stable, which is why I adopted this package
[00:24] <BUGabundo> but an app that works 2 out of 10, doesn't inspire me much fait
[00:25] <komputes> BUGabundo: I completely understand that
[00:25] <BUGabundo> understand I'm not complaining of your or evans work
[00:25] <BUGabundo> just frustrated of all this fail to make something as simple as a $ dd
[00:27] <BUGabundo> 1105% complete
[00:28] <BUGabundo> its not a typo
[00:28] <BUGabundo> its what I really get "1105% complete"
[00:30] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit .usbcreator.log
[00:30] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/375101/
[00:31] <BUGabundo> md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 57 computed checksums did NOT match
[00:31] <BUGabundo> mew
[00:42] <kklimonda> does anyone know if I can hibernate to the swap file  without doing some voodoo magic?
[00:47] <bjorkintosh> there's no magic in voodoo. magic is a stage trick.
[00:57] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: that's a feature, people were complaining about having to hold the buttons down
[01:00] <BUGabundo> booo
[01:00] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: but thanks for clearing that
[01:01] <BUGabundo> would it be too much to ask for a toogle ?
[01:01] <Amaranth> Yes, way too much
[01:01] <Amaranth> No more options in compiz
[01:02] <Amaranth> If someone adds more options to compiz and it isn't in the form of a new plugin I'm going to poke them in the eye
[01:03] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:03] <BUGabundo> I guess I'll have to get used to the new way
[01:13] <LaserJock> anybody happen to know how to add/remove applets on UNE?
[01:25] <joebodo> seems i lost my volume control in the panel after the last update -
[01:26] <joebodo> i know they are doing some work on it...
[01:31] <nigelb> joebodo, there were some memory leaks fixed upstream quite recently, could be that
[01:33] <joebodo> nigelb, i saw some redesigned ui screenshots for it - i think they were supposed to be in this update
[01:33] <nigelb> donno, I haven't booted into my vm for some time.
[01:35] <Bookman> Since updating, my sound no longer works.  When I open Sound Preferences and check the Hardware tab, it is empty.
[01:36] <joebodo> my sounds seems to be working fine
[01:39] <nigelb> cjohnston, you're running lucid?
[01:39] <cjohnston> yes
[01:39] <nigelb> cjohnston, can you test bug 520315 for me please?
[01:41] <nigelb> cjohnston, there is an audio file attached.  download and see if it works.  comment on what happens :)
[01:44] <DanaG> ARGH
[01:44] <DanaG> STUPID PALIMPSEST CAPITALIZED MY VOLUME NAME.
[01:44] <DanaG> yes, that caps was on purpose.
[01:44] <DanaG> =þ
[01:45] <cjohnston> it doesnt play nigelb but it doesnt seem to try downloading anything
[01:45] <kklimonda> nigelb, doesn't work here
[01:45] <nigelb> cjohnston, you have to right click and download
[01:45] <kklimonda> nigelb, is it legal file btw?
[01:45] <nigelb> kklimonda, you have restricted extras?
[01:45] <cjohnston> i downloaded the file
[01:45] <nigelb> I have no clue of the legality
[01:45] <cjohnston> and played it
[01:46] <nigelb> it was attached to help test if the bug exists or not
[01:46] <nigelb> cjohnston, okay.  bug
[01:46] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, it's not a legal file - i doubt Skynard would be happy
[01:46] <nigelb> cjohnston, kklimonda can one of you comment on the bug that it is not playing
[01:47] <ZykoticK9> sorry Skynyrd
[01:52] <nigelb> cjohnston, thanks :)
[01:53] <nigelb> kklimonda, thanks for the comment and removing the file.  I was about to do so myself :)
[01:53] <kklimonda> no problem
[02:10] <booboo> hey guys ,, I cant seem to enable SBA and fastwrites on one machine with nvidia agp ...any suggestions/
[02:21] <nigelb> !rhythmbox
[02:22] <nigelb> bah, doesn't give me version number
[02:22] <kklimonda> !info rhythmbox
[02:22] <kklimonda> heh
[02:22] <kklimonda> !list rhythmbox
[02:22] <nigelb> thanks :)
[02:27]  * kklimonda wonders why would anyone use name like "libimobiledevice" for something related only to ipods and iphones..
[02:31] <billybigrigger_> can anyone here help me figure out a dependancy issue
[02:31] <billybigrigger_> im trying to install ifuse, trying to connect my ipod touch to lucid...and i end up with this...
[02:31] <billybigrigger_> lemme get the pastebin
[02:33] <billybigrigger_> kklimonda, do you use ifuse?
[02:33] <billybigrigger_> i agree with your libimobiledevice statement too :P was thinking about that last night
[02:34] <kklimonda> not really - I've just noticed it during dist-upgrade and was confused
[02:35] <kklimonda> billybigrigger_, you can't install ifuse right now - probably related to libiphone -> libimobiledevice migratiion - but that's just a hunch
[02:35] <billybigrigger_> damn
[02:35] <billybigrigger_> seriously?
[02:35] <kklimonda> they seem to be connected
[02:35] <kklimonda> both have the same homepage
[02:35] <billybigrigger_> usbmuxd is my problem
[02:36] <billybigrigger_> have to bear with me a moment, i'm updating apt, on a real slow connection :)
[02:36] <kklimonda> make sure you are using the main archive
[02:36] <billybigrigger_> 6k/sec :)
[02:36] <billybigrigger_> yes i am
[02:40] <billybigrigger_> here we go
[02:40] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.ca/1794979
[02:40] <billybigrigger_> kklimonda, nothing related to libiphone
[02:40] <billybigrigger_> or libimobiledevice for that matter
[02:41] <Spirits-Sight> how can I fix dpkg? its giving me error "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[02:43] <Spirits-Sight> when I run the cmd it says "update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-12-generic
[02:43] <Spirits-Sight> dpkg: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1"
[02:43] <bjsnider> !find /usr/bin/mktextfm karmic
[02:44] <ChogyDan> Spirits-Sight: isn't there a later kernel?  -13?
[02:44] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, that's a handy command :P
[02:44] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, well - still related to the transition
[02:44] <Spirits-Sight> I believe so but have not been able to do a update in about 4 days
[02:44] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, see if you can remove libusbmux0 or does it take out half of the system :)
[02:45] <bjsnider> yeah, trying to find a karmic equivalent for texlive-binaries in lucid
[02:45] <kklimonda> Spirits-Sight, bug 519855
[02:45] <billybigrigger_> kklimonda, libiphone0 depends on it, so does ifuse
[02:45] <billybigrigger_> thats all
[02:46] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, ifuse depends on libusbmuxd1
[02:46] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, at least on my system
[02:46] <kklimonda> billybigrigger_, and I have no libiphone0 :)
[02:46] <billybigrigger_> i can't install libusbmuxd1
[02:47] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, you have to remove libusbmux0 first
[02:47] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.ca/1794985
[02:47] <billybigrigger_> i can't remove libusbmux0
[02:47] <billybigrigger_> apt tells me to run apt-get -f install
[02:47] <billybigrigger_> and thats what i get
[02:48] <kklimonda> do sudo apt-get --purge remove libusbmuxd1
[02:48] <billybigrigger_> Package libusbmuxd1 is not installed, so not removed
[02:48] <billybigrigger_> :)
[02:48] <kklimonda> then sudo apt-get --purge remove libusbmux0
[02:49] <kklimonda> if it still doesn't go than there are few other things you can do
[02:49] <kklimonda> but it should work
[02:49] <DanaG> argh, stupid "wired network... disconnected" notification.
[02:49] <DanaG> How about telling me WHICH wired connection is disconnected?
[02:51] <billybigrigger_> kklimonda, it just tells me to run apt-get -f install
[02:52] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, ugh
[02:53] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, run sudo dpkg --reconfigure-a
[02:53] <bjsnider> i thinkt hat's it
[02:54] <billybigrigger_> dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure
[02:55] <billybigrigger_> since when did dpkg lose that option?
[02:55] <kklimonda> dpkg --configure -a
[02:56] <bjsnider> dpkg-reconfigure -a
[02:56] <billybigrigger_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:56] <billybigrigger_>  ifuse
[02:56] <bjsnider> try removing the newer libusb package you're trying to insta
[02:57] <kklimonda> billybigrigger, heh - try to apt-get remove ifuse ;)
[02:58] <billybigrigger_> ok
[02:58] <billybigrigger_> i think it removed ifuse
[03:03] <billybigrigger_> ok
[03:03] <billybigrigger_> none of this is working
[03:04] <kklimonda> you can edit files in /var/lib/info/ by hand
[03:05] <kklimonda>  or /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[03:06] <billybigrigger_> and what would i be looking for?
[03:06] <kklimonda> probably if you edit libusbmux0.list and delete files that libusbmuxd1 is trying to overwrite it's going to work
[03:06] <kklimonda> but I can't really guarantee that at this hour :)
[03:06] <bjsnider> i don't see why you can't just remove the older package
[03:11] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, i've tried
[03:11] <billybigrigger_> i just get told to run apt-get -f install
[03:13] <bjsnider> "4 not fully installed or removed."
[03:13] <bjsnider> what 4?
[03:18] <Spirits-Sight> how do I undo cd /lib/udev & sudo ln -s firmware firmware.sh so its back to the way it should be this was the fix to my issue
[03:19] <Spirits-Sight> ok workaround now updating fine
[03:21] <billybigrigger_> bjsnider, what are you referring to?
[03:22] <billybigrigger_> i think i might not even be trying to install the right app
[03:22] <billybigrigger_> i just want to dump some music on my ipod touch
[03:22] <billybigrigger_> but i can't even use the ipod touch without connecting it to itunes...
[03:23] <billybigrigger_> can't access the phone or anything, brand new out of the box...
[03:23] <kklimonda> Spirits-Sight, rm /lib/udev/firmware.sh
[03:24] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, that was in one of your pastebins
[03:25] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[03:26] <bjsnider> you haven't mentioned all 4 packages that are in play here
[03:27] <billybigrigger_> didn't know there were 4 in play
[03:27] <billybigrigger_> is ifuse even what i want?
[03:28] <billybigrigger_> i just want to use my bloody ipod touch haha
[03:30] <LADmaticCA> hey 64bit users...how much ram does your lucid use on boot?
[03:35] <nigelb> need a little help with testing
[03:35] <nigelb> Appearance -> Interface means System (menu) -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Interface (tab), under which is a checkbox to enable editable shortcuts; "Editable menu shortcut keys"
[03:36] <nigelb> then open totem and play video...
[03:37] <nigelb> change the key for shuffle and check if it works
[04:02] <kklimonda> hmm, interesting - I got back to rhythmbox in lucid because banshee (has) depended on hal and I like it..
[04:02] <kklimonda> I wonder what changed since the last time I've used it
[05:24] <DanaG> hmm, where does a pulseaudio system session store its "cookie"?
[05:26] <tibasa> ~/.pulse-cookie ...
[05:29] <DanaG> er, SYSTEM instance.  Not user instance.
[05:31] <kklimonda>  /var/run/pulse ?
[05:32] <ripps> geez, indicator-sound is worthless. First of all, it's doesn't even work. Second, the mixer bar is grey, while my theme is nearly black.
[05:33] <DanaG> yeah, turns out it IS using it there.
[05:33] <DanaG> It's just forcibly disabling all the stuff that makes pulseaudio at all useful, when run as a system session.
[05:34] <joebodo> how do you add the new indicator sound ? i cannot find it
[05:35] <joebodo> ripps, also, you can use the existing gnome-volume-control-applet
[05:35] <ripps> meh, I dont' even use the mixer applets, I just use the volume keys on my keyboard. I just don't like having something useless taking up space on my panel
[05:36] <DanaG> It's also ignoring default.pa!
[05:36] <kklimonda> nice, i like it (new indicator-sound)
[05:37] <ripps> also, all these indicator applets take up too much space. each indicator has a huge space in between them.
[05:37] <joebodo> where oh where is the indicator applet,,,
[05:38] <kklimonda> ripps, they don't look cramped this way.
[05:38] <joebodo> my right click / add to panel has now indicator-sound applet
[05:38] <kklimonda> I really hate how close some icons are next to each other in the notification area
[05:39] <ripps> joebodo: if you have indicator-sound installed, then when you restart gnome-panel it should be attached with the other indicator-applets
[05:39] <kklimonda> joebodo, it's part of indicator application
[05:39] <kklimonda> indicator applet even
[05:40] <joebodo> kklimonda, odd - after the update yesterday, i have no volume applet in the indicator area
[05:41] <kklimonda> joebodo, and do you have indicator applet?
[05:41] <joebodo> yeah - network, dropbox shows ok
[05:41] <kklimonda> no, it's notification area
[05:42] <kklimonda> there is also indicator applet which shows new volume indicator, rhythmbox icon and few other things
[05:42] <kklimonda> and it just crashed for me :D
[05:43] <joebodo> i have notification area 2.29.6 and indicator applet session 0.3.2
[05:43] <kklimonda> you need indicator applet
[05:44] <DanaG> hmm, the audio resampling on the ARM sounds a bit odd...
[05:44] <joebodo> got it - thx
[05:44] <DanaG> hmm, sample method is the same.
[05:45] <joebodo> hmm - no volume control with mouse scroll over
[05:45] <joebodo> *mouse wheel*
[05:45] <kklimonda> DanaG, why do you run pulse as system service and not as per-user service or however it's called?
[05:46] <kklimonda> joebodo, already reported
[05:46] <ripps> Does anybody know why indicator-sound is grey out for me? I do use a remapped default.pa, is that the reason?
[05:46] <DanaG> It's a beagleboard... no local user.
[05:46] <joebodo> kklimonda, oh ok
[05:46] <DanaG> Then again, perhaps I should just MAKE a local user.
[05:46] <DanaG> But how do you do text-mode "autologin"?
[05:47] <kklimonda> ripps, maybe
[05:47] <DanaG> I figured out why it was ignoring: system.pa is still around, and does approximately nothing of the new stuff in PA.
[06:12] <DanaG> string spacing fail:
[06:12] <DanaG> < Detailed C-state information is not P-states (frequencies)
[06:25] <kermiac> !daily
[06:26] <kermiac> thanks bot :)
[06:29] <genii> Do the daily builds support zsync?
[06:36] <kklimonda> genii, hmm.. daily builds of CDs?
[06:36] <kklimonda> genii, if so then yes
[06:36] <genii> kklimonda: OK, thanks
[07:21] <vaibhav> is sun java jdk available in repos, I couldn't find it there?
[07:23] <genii> Just openjdk afaik
[07:34] <vaibhav> thanx
[08:13] <bjorkintosh> anyone know why i keep getting this: [ 2317.100091] render error detected, EIR: 0x00000000
[08:13] <bjorkintosh> [ 2317.100095] i915: Waking up sleeping processes
[08:13] <bjorkintosh> [ 2317.100148] [drm:i915_wait_request] *ERROR* i915_wait_request returns -5 (awaiting 89886 at 89885)
[08:13] <bjorkintosh> [ 2317.100848] [drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Execbuf while wedged
[08:13] <bjorkintosh> [ 2317.101443] reboot required
[08:13] <bjorkintosh> it's happened 8 times in the last 20 minutes or so.
[08:26] <peppino> is there a way to start a distro fom a directory instead / ?
[08:26] <jpds> bjorkintosh: Problem with your Intel graphics.
[08:27] <bjorkintosh> yeah but it was fine before... why would it suddenly be so crash prone, if there was nothing to fix for starters?
[08:55] <peppino> im not albe to mount with dolphin ntfs devices
[09:24] <reddos> ciao a tutti ho un problema nonriesco piu a fare gli aggiornamenti ed ad aprire il gestore dei pacchetti si apre questo massaggio sudo dpkg --configure -a hogia provato dal terminale ma non va grazie
[09:24] <reddos> come posso fare ho ubuntu 10.4
[09:24] <bjorkintosh> reddos, ubuntu-it ?
[09:25] <reddos> mi anno detto di venire qui quelli di ubuntu it
[09:26] <bjorkintosh> reddos, lo siento, me no habla italiano
[09:26] <bjorkintosh> solo ingles.
[09:34] <DanaG> wow, this beagleboard has a metric <large amount>load of volume sliders in alsamixer.
[09:35] <DanaG> yeah, you can put whatever you want in those brackets.  =þ
[09:36] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f6c841b2f
[09:36] <DanaG> Guawd, what is all that?
[09:36] <DanaG> =þ
[09:36] <DanaG> Confusing, for one.
[09:38] <bjorkintosh> DanaG, how much is the beagleboard?
[09:39] <DanaG> $150, on digikey.
[09:39] <bjorkintosh> what are you going to use it for?
[09:39] <DanaG> Bluetooth stuff.  Right now I'm just trying to get the danged usb-net connection working.
[09:39] <DanaG> It's showing weird packets in wireshark on the host.
[09:40] <DanaG> I set guest to 00:11:22:33:44:55... and in wireshark, it shows a host ff:ff:00:11:22:33 sending packets of type 4455.  It's like a really bad off-by-one sort of error.
[09:40] <bjorkintosh> with lucid?
[09:40] <bjorkintosh> why not with a more stable version?
[09:40] <DanaG> hmm, all of my stuff around here is on Lucid now.... including the ARM thingy.
[09:41] <DanaG> I guess I should try it with Karmic on host or on guest.
[09:42] <DanaG> oh, and if I connect the thing to itself in a loop, lemme' see if that works.
[09:45] <DanaG> hmm, watching usb0 and dhcp'ing on usb1 works... but not vice versa.
[09:49]  * DanaG tries an older kernel on host...
[10:01] <DanaG> still no worky with 2.6.31 host.
[10:07] <DanaG> hmm, and 2.6.31 guest panics on ext4, or something.
[10:13] <DanaG> interesting... 2.6.33-rc kernel (not really built for lucid) acts differently with regards to mac address... but doesn't fully boot userspace.
[13:02] <zniavre> hello
[13:03] <zniavre> there is a way to came back to the old >volume-applet?
[13:22] <penguin42> I doubt it
[13:38] <edakiri> How can i discern whether key codes are the same under Xorg and terminal for a certain key press? I'm trying to diagnose a keyboard layout bug.
[13:39] <edakiri> The key a non printable.
[13:43] <marienz> edakiri: if you haven't found it yet: xev is very useful for this kind of thing
[13:44] <marienz> assuming you mean the "outside of X" kind of terminal: "showkey" there, iirc.
[13:45] <marienz> and what's this about a new volume indicator I keep hearing? I don't seem to have it yet.
[13:45] <marienz> perhaps I just need to log out and back in though.
[13:46] <edakiri> marienz: showkey is right.  also, i also do not have a volume indicator, but i did not have a desktop at initial install.  i selected the gnome task afterwards.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:58] <edakiri> Does anyone else here have a 105-key (international) keyboard?  Does the up arrow cause Print/ScreenShot ?
[14:00]  * marienz counts keys
[14:01] <marienz> 104, unless I miscounted.
[14:21] <edakiri> I was able to fix it.  Just reassigned the screen capture to a different key and then back to print screen.
[14:26] <nOStahl1> hi guys
[14:26] <nOStahl1> so whats the focus for lucid lynx
[14:30] <edakiri> nOStahl1: LTS.  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+specs
[14:30] <edakiri> LTS releases focus more on stability, as I understand the theory.
[14:31] <edakiri> stability/reliability/bugfreeness
[14:31] <nOStahl1> nice
[14:32] <nOStahl1> whats the deal with empathy and not being able to /j #chanels
[14:33] <edakiri> when i ran empathy, it didn't do IRC at all.
[14:34] <edakiri> nOStahl1: I find pidgin better anyway.
[14:35] <nOStahl1> aye
[14:35] <edakiri> nOStahl1: I looked at the software architecture of each and what i saw in pidgin appeared more sensible as well.  Still, pidgin takes a surprisingly large amount of RAM.
[14:35] <nOStahl1> i thrrew pidgin back on
[14:35] <nOStahl1> could always use irssi :)
[14:36] <edakiri> i have not checked how much ram empathy uses because it didn't work at all for IRC.  IRC was not listed for me. Maybe I need to install some empathy extension?
[14:42] <nOStahl1> nope
[14:42] <nOStahl1> you just x out of the account creation on startup
[14:42] <nOStahl1> and then make an account with irc after its loaded up
[14:43] <nOStahl1> its stupid that irc isnt available from the get go
[14:43] <marienz> I vaguely recall the necessary backend not being installed by default
[14:43] <marienz> but I might be remembering wrong
[14:43] <nOStahl1> i think it was in the beta of karmic koala
[14:43] <nOStahl1> but not in the live version
[14:49] <BluesKaj> nOStahl1, quassel is the default irc client ,so maybe the devs wnat to encourage it's use by leaving  irc as an option in the IMs
[14:50] <nOStahl1> thats qt app
[14:50] <nOStahl1> that the default in kubuntu?
[16:10] <kklimonda> what is the main purpose of plymouth in 10.04? because it's not slash for sure :)
[16:12] <syn-ack> Plymouth is a usplash replacement
[16:13] <syn-ack> kklimonda: it's purpose is to be able to display your boot logo in native resolutions without having to change modes
[16:14] <kklimonda> syn-ack, but it doesn't do it currently becauses it kicks in too lat
[16:14] <kklimonda> late*
[16:14] <kklimonda> I see the logo for a second before it switches to gdm
[16:15] <syn-ack> I find that on this system it does... I'm having some issues with it though, myself and it's not plymouth related, methinks
[16:15] <kklimonda> my laptop boots in under 20 seconds with autologin enabled :/
[16:16] <kklimonda> and plymouth starts showing logo only after ureadahead is done which is after 11 seconds
[16:17] <kklimonda> and X kicks in at 13th second
[16:17] <kklimonda> I should probably force fsck to see it
[16:21] <syn-ack> I would move plymouth to sooner in the boot process
[16:21] <kklimonda> it's a design decision
[16:21] <syn-ack> I'm sure it is
[16:21] <syn-ack> I still don't like it. :P
[16:22] <kklimonda> you can move it to initrd by hand but it doesn't really shows up that much ealier though
[16:22] <kklimonda> s/thought//
[16:23] <syn-ack> I'm still trying to figure out why I'm having to login via TTY1 and restart gdm
[16:24] <syn-ack> honestly, it's pissing me off that the bug team hasn't even assigned my bug report to anyone
[16:24] <kklimonda> doesn't it have something to do with plymouth?
[16:25] <syn-ack> I'm not sure to be honest.
[16:25] <kklimonda> remove plymouth and see if it works
[16:25] <syn-ack> kklimonda: this is my bug... tell me what you think: 519641
[16:26] <kklimonda> bug 519641
[16:27] <syn-ack> It mirrors that Casper build that was all messed up on one of the dailies from last week... but yeah considering that casper isnt active on an install... :/
[16:28] <syn-ack> s/build/bug
[16:29] <kklimonda> syn-ack, I'd try removing plymouth - I haven't seen a bug similar to this but there are quite a few issues with plymouth and gdm currently
[16:29] <syn-ack> hrm
[16:30] <syn-ack> oh wow, don't go removing libplymouth
[16:30] <syn-ack> heh
[16:31] <Stik> Yes libplymouth wants to strip Ubuntu lol
[16:31] <Stik> removing that is
[16:36] <syn-ack> I'll be damned
[16:37] <syn-ack> kklimonda: So other than removing Plymouth at this point what would your suggestion to be?
[16:37] <kklimonda> syn-ack, waiting :)
[16:38] <syn-ack> Do the Red Hat Folks even have this completely ironed out?
[16:39] <kklimonda> we can't really just copy their work if that's what you are asking for - too much difference
[16:39] <kklimonda> they should have it ironed out though
[16:42] <syn-ack> I know that, I'm more referring to see how they got it working right is all
[16:43] <syn-ack> kklimonda: if you have access, could you reassign that bug to being a plymouth issue?
[16:44] <kklimonda> you can't do it? interesting - since when?
[16:44] <syn-ack> OH THATS RIGHT
[16:44] <syn-ack> nm
[16:44] <syn-ack> heh
[16:45] <kklimonda> interesting, it seems I'm the only person that nouveau is working almost perfectly
[16:48] <syn-ack> Intel FTW. heh
[16:53] <syn-ack> kklimonda: You running HP notebooks by chance?
[16:54] <kklimonda> syn-ack, no - Lenovi
[16:54] <kklimonda> Lenovo even :)
[16:55] <syn-ack> The only other "Major" bug for me is that all of a sudden that my trackpad killswitch doesnt
[16:55] <syn-ack> I've been trying to figure out which package it would be that would control that issue...
[16:56] <syn-ack> um, this far I've got the bug assigned to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics but that doesn't seem right to me and I'm drawing a blank as to what else it could be
[16:56] <kklimonda> heh, still no luck with getting plymouth to display earlier
[17:57] <DanaG> heh, look at the ludicrous number of alsa controls on this device: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9d3129ca89f63063c76e6583ab9f98067241263e
[17:57] <DanaG> omap3beagle, specifically.
[17:59] <DanaG> Guawd, there are way too many sliders there.
[18:00] <DanaG> All the beagleboard has is one line-out and one line-in... unless there are more on that expansion header.
[18:11] <bjsnider> CarkitR Mixer?
[18:11] <bjsnider> what is that supposed to mean?
[18:24] <penguin42> lucid will run on a beagle? Cool
[18:27] <crimsun> that really isn't ridiculous
[18:27] <crimsun> intentionally, ASoC devices have a lot more fine-grained control
[18:28] <penguin42> It wouldn't surprise me if the OMAP they use has lots of controls but only some are pinned out
[18:35] <DanaG> I'm currently wrangling with usbnet on the thing.
[18:35] <DanaG> Oh, and PA audio streaming, even over a 10-megabit usb nic, works amazingly well.  Kudos to the devs for that.
[18:38] <penguin42> well your bandwidth shouldn't be a problem for audio
[18:54] <teethdood> anyone else seeing blue shadows in text?
[18:54] <penguin42> no, but can you describe the program used and also how big a shadow?
[19:02] <teethdood> mozilla firefox. The font seems to leave a blue smudge. It doesn't look very sharp. (my display is configured correctly to its native res)
[19:03] <piero> ZykoticK9, Is it polite?
[19:03] <teethdood> it almost makes black text look like blue hypelinks :)
[19:04] <ZykoticK9> piero, what do you mean by polite?  it never swears at me.
[19:04] <ZykoticK9> piero, and we're only on alpha2 right now
[19:05] <piero> ZykoticK9, well.. Will I have much headpain if I try tu use it in my production machine?
[19:05] <penguin42> teethdood: I'd try changing font rendering/subpixel smoothing - under preferences->Apperance->fonts - try turning off subpixel smoothing?
[19:05] <ZykoticK9> piero, DON'T, wait until final for sure!  or at least Beta2 maybe -- right now things are in flux, on a production machine would be crazy
[19:06] <ZykoticK9> piero, but i'm loving it on my desktop :)
[19:06] <daedl01> Is there something resioutly broken now in lucid ?
[19:06] <daedl01> seriously*
[19:07] <teethdood> penguin42: that did the trick. Thanks :)
[19:07] <penguin42> teethdood: There are some options to tweak under subpixel rendering, you might find one works well for your display
[19:07] <piero> ZykoticK9, cool.. Another question, if (despite the problems) I decide to use it on my Desktop, can I maintain my system clean and up-to-date with dist-upgrades? Will it be so good as a system installed from the final release CD in the future?
[19:08] <piero> or I will need to reinstall the system to have it working 100%?
[19:08] <ZykoticK9> piero, be aware that currently there are LOTS of updates (almost every day hundreds of megs) - but ya if you wanted you could install now and just keep upgrading until final.
[19:09] <piero> cool! Thanks ZykoticK9! I will try it in a virtual machine before trying on my computer
[19:09] <ZykoticK9> piero, that's a good idea
[19:09] <piero> ZykoticK9, where is the iso??
[19:09] <ubuntujenkins> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:10] <piero> thanks men
[19:10] <ZykoticK9> piero, alpha2 at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-2/ and ubuntujenkins sent you the daily link
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> well the daily save all of the updates
[19:10] <piero> Seens to be a good idea
[19:11] <ZykoticK9> piero, and there would be Lots if you started at A2
[19:11] <piero> ok, I will try the daily release
[19:12] <ZykoticK9> piero, good luck man!
[19:12] <piero> thanks
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> is anyone able to play dvds in totem? I can get it working in karmic but I am writing a section for the ubuntu-manual project and so could do with it working in lucid. The dvd works in vlc and xine but not in totem. Any Thoughts?
[19:15] <ubuntujenkins> I have restricted extras  etc installed
[19:15] <DanaG> GRR, stupid thing keeps telling me "password must be changed" EVERY SINGLE TIME I use it!
[19:16] <BluesKaj> ubuntujenkins, odd, I'm a kde user but i thought totem used xine backend
[19:17] <ZykoticK9> ubuntujenkins, on my system Totem (which i don't typically use for anything) is able to get to the DVD menu, but I can't seem to get any further
[19:18] <histo> ZykoticK9: I just use vlc
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> Zykotick9 thats exactly what I have, as i need to write about totem vlc is not an option
[19:18] <ZykoticK9> histo, i'm an mplayer guy myself...  vlc is handy for something though
[19:18] <histo> ubuntujenkins: i was having problems the search for codec app won't find anything.
[19:19] <histo> ubuntujenkins: i ended up just installing vlc to make the little ones happy. I'll have to play with it later to see if I can get playback working.
[19:19] <histo> ubuntujenkins: I noticed it will start to play the first few frames of the dvd then error out about suitable codecs.
[19:20] <ubuntujenkins> histo that would be good. I use vlc but I can't write in an section on totem and put sudo apt-get install vlc!
[19:21] <ubuntujenkins> I can get the first frames upto the menu playing rather jittery but the menues don't work
[19:21] <histo> ubuntujenkins: there is currently a bug for dvd navigation bug #41335
[19:21] <ZykoticK9> ubuntujenkins, i just tried another dvd (was hoping it wouldn't have menu, but it does) same result - it seems the menu system isn't working -- the playlist on the right side only show "Title 0" for both DVDs I tested with
[19:22] <teethdood> Is KDE 4.4 final going to be included in Kubuntu? I'd like to give it a whirl
[19:23] <ubuntujenkins> Thanks Zykotick9 and histo I think I am going to file a bug or add to one
[19:24] <histo> ubuntujenkins: I can't even get to the menu for the dvd in totem so you are ahead of me in the process.
[19:25] <om26er> any body using netbook-edition? there seems to be no clock applet
[19:25] <om26er> and no way to get it back
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> histo i have installed restricted extras and run the first two commands on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[19:27] <ZykoticK9> ubuntujenkins, added Bug #521482
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> thanks Zykotick9 I wil say it affects me
[19:28] <histo> ubuntujenkins: I have as well
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> thanks histo
[19:28] <histo> np
[19:29] <ZykoticK9> ubuntujenkins, good luck writing that article :)  he he
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> thanks Zykotic9
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> some guess work involved
[19:29] <ZykoticK9> ubuntujenkins, for the time being it might be "sudo apt-get install vlc"  lol
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> that might have to be it! lol
[19:35] <NateW>   where did the option for icons in menus go?
[19:35] <NateW> it used to be in appearance
[19:36] <ZykoticK9> ubuntujenkins, it's now a Confirmed bug
[19:36] <ubuntujenkins> Cool thats good Zykotick9
[19:36] <DanaG> Argh, is it normal for a pulseaudio system daemon to overwrite the cookie file almost every single time I start it?
[19:36] <DanaG> It's a system daemon because I'm using an embedded system.
[19:37] <DanaG> er wait, that's not the issue (overwriting).
[19:38] <histo> I really don't get the bug prossess.
[19:38] <histo> process
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> Natew go system > Preferences > Main menu  You can edit the icon by clicking "Properties" and then clicking on the image
[19:38] <histo> There is a bug that has been reported confirmed for 6 months without being assigned.
[19:39] <histo> The bug has now effected my ssytem with recent updates in lucid.
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> histo I guess its down to a lack of people whats the bug?
[19:40] <NateW> ubuntujenkins: no, i mean the ability to choose if they are displayed or not.. for example in the system menu, there are no icons for preferences or administration. in karmic, the option was in appearances.. it had its own tab
[19:40] <DanaG> okay, that's weird... host can see guest PA zeroconf info... yet doesn't offer to let me use it.
[19:40] <kklimonda> histo, it gets assigned when someone starts working on it
[19:40] <kklimonda> histo, what is bug number?
[19:41] <DanaG> E: module-zeroconf-discover.c: Resolving of 'pulse@beagleboard: omap3beagle Analog Stereo' failed: Timeout reached
[19:42] <histo> bug 399636
[19:42] <ubuntujenkins> Natew I get what you mean now. I had not noticed them missing I would like them back now.
[19:42] <histo> This exact behavior is happening now in lucid for me. After updates for some reason. I posted a comment on the bug but don't know what to do other than that.
[19:43] <DanaG> ARGH
[19:43] <DanaG> every time the PA system daemon restarts, it generates a new cookie!
[19:43] <DanaG> or rather, every time the whole system restarts.
[19:43] <NateW> ubuntujenkins: same here.. i noticed back in karmic that they were turned off by default and i had to enable them myself, but now i cant do that
[19:44] <histo> kklimonda: Is there something else I should do?
[19:44] <histo> kklimonda: identical to everyone else that has comented problem.
[19:45] <kklimonda> histo, have you tried workaround from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/399636/comments/22 ?
[19:45] <ubuntujenkins> histo man that is anoying something that should be fixed. have you tried using an older kernel version? (not the default boot one) I don't know much about the kernel but there are alot of thinkpad options in there from memory.
[19:46] <histo> ubuntujenkins: yeah i've booted every old kernel i have and it doesn't seem to help.
[19:46] <histo> kklimonda: no I have not there are other work arounds i'm going to try first. Especially since he says it may harm your system.
[19:47] <kklimonda> histo, it happens on lucid too?
[19:47] <ubuntujenkins> histo for now it might be don't shut the lid being the best work around
[19:47] <kklimonda> I'm not sure what he meant by this
[19:47] <histo> kklimonda: yes worked untill updates to kernel 12 and 13 I believe. I knew it was working when I first installed lucid.
[19:47] <histo> kklimonda: I've tried booting the old kernel .9 and the problem is still there.
[19:47] <histo> kklimonda: let me try something real quick be right back.
[19:48] <ubuntujenkins> NateW I have no clue I am afraid there is an icon assiged to it as well
[19:48] <kklimonda> histo, it may be related to some update to the intel video driver
[19:50] <histo> kklimonda: It just happened again there none of the other workarounds are working. I may have to try the lid.sh thing.
[19:51] <histo> kklimonda: I don't think its related to the intel video. Because my laptop no longer goes to suspend when I close the lid by looking at the lgihts.
[19:51] <kklimonda> histo, do have suspend set in power managment?
[19:51] <histo> kklimonda: yes.
[19:52] <histo> kklimonda: The messed up part is if I tell the machine to suspend from the power menu it works fine.
[19:52] <histo> kklimonda: Only when I try to close the lid does it not work.
[19:52] <kklimonda> huh
[19:52] <histo> kklimonda: But again it doesn't even try to go to suspend on lid close even though the option is specified.
[19:54] <kklimonda> histo, if you are really interested in fixing it you should ping developers at monday on #ubuntu-desktop about closing lid not suspending laptop
[19:54] <kklimonda> histo, debugging it is pretty painful though
[19:56] <histo> k
[20:06] <SomeoneE1se> how do I run a script everytime I connect to a network?  I have already tried /etc/NetworkManager/dispatch.d/file but it never runs on connect
[20:08] <syn-ack> SomeoneE1se: You could have it listen for a udev event or something, though right now I can't really get into it since I'm about to work on a car
[20:09] <SomeoneE1se> have the script listen for a udev?
[20:12] <crimsun> SomeoneE1se: use the existing ifupdown infrastructure
[20:12] <crimsun> SomeoneE1se: i.e., don't put the script(s) in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatch.d/ but in the appropriate /etc/network/if-*.d/
[20:13] <crimsun> SomeoneE1se: moreover, doing so ensures that your script(s) is(are) executed regardless whether network-manager/wicd/wireless-tools/iw is used
[20:13] <DanaG> weird issue I'm having: brightness keys in gnome don't work.
[20:14] <DanaG> They show the OSD, but don't make it move the slider.
[20:18] <DanaG> http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/02/12/marvell-announces-new-processor/1
[20:18] <DanaG> arm with directx? wtf?
[20:18] <dereks> where can i get information about how to use indicator? i want to integrate it with my app....
[20:19] <AlanBell> has the sun-java stuff been moved or renamed or something?
[20:19] <AlanBell> surely not oracle-java already?
[20:20] <ZykoticK9> AlanBell, it's currently removed
[20:20] <ZykoticK9> AlanBell, there's openjdk and icedtea
[20:21] <AlanBell> is that temporary?
[20:21] <ZykoticK9> AlanBell, i'm not sure...
[20:22] <AlanBell> ok, I just tried openjdk, it seems to be struggling with the bluetooth stack, just wanted to try the sun one to compare
[20:22] <DanaG> why was java removed, anyway?
[20:22] <ZykoticK9> AlanBell, you "might" be able to install it from the Karmic version
[20:23] <AlanBell> I guess I could pretend to be a windows user and download it from a website :-)
[20:31] <AlanBell> meh. bluetooth + official java is full of fail too
[21:36] <ripps> So, when are they going to make a network indicator applet, because I think that's the only default notification area icon left that hasn't been converted to libindicator
[22:10] <dupondje> evening :)
[22:33] <Happehwalrus> Hello, I was installing alpha 2 - install failed, left my 9.10 without Ubuntu 9.10 Software Center.
[22:33] <Happehwalrus> Help, please.
[22:40] <Happehwalrus> Hello?
[22:48] <ZykoticK9> Happehwalrus, you did an upgrade i take it?
[22:50] <Happehwalrus> Yes.
[22:50] <Happehwalrus> I tried to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 2.
[22:50] <Happehwalrus> From 9.10 Netbook Remix.
[22:51] <ZykoticK9> Happehwalrus, i'm affraid I personally have NO idea(s)
[23:04] <usuario> can anyone help me gain access to my var/cache/apt/archives folder
[23:05] <usuario> can anyone help me gain access to my var/cache/apt/archives folder
[23:05] <usuario> from the gui
[23:05] <ZykoticK9> usuario, you should be able to get there by default - are you getting permission denied?
[23:06] <usuario> zykotick9: yes i am
[23:06] <virtuald> usuario: is it when you try to delete files there?
[23:06] <usuario> virtuald: and when i try to paste files
[23:07] <usuario> im trying to install programs on non internet computers
[23:07] <usuario> ive got all the packages
[23:07] <virtuald> aha
[23:07] <virtuald> you need to be root to do that
[23:07] <usuario> i want to put them there to the installer can read them automatically and open them
[23:07] <virtuald> press alt-f2 and write gksudo nautilus
[23:07] <virtuald> to get a root file browser
[23:08] <virtuald> be carefull not to mess things up
[23:08] <usuario> by that you mean
[23:08] <usuario> ?
[23:08] <usuario> i should be able to just drop those deb files in and leave it at that right
[23:09] <virtuald> yes then close that nautilus running as root
[23:09] <usuario> ok great im gonna give it a try on the other comps
[23:10] <usuario> the installer will automatically find those deb files then right
[23:10] <zcat[1]> wow, loony lemming boots fast!
[23:10] <usuario> and install the necessary ones right without trying to dl them
[23:10] <zcat[1]> err lucid ;ynx, whatever
[23:11] <virtuald> usuario: i think so, maybe you need to apt-get update
[23:11] <usuario> ok
[23:11] <usuario> virtuald:ill run that too then
[23:11] <usuario> thanks
[23:11] <zcat[1]> daughter managed to really break firefox trying to install firefox 3.6, couldn't work out how to fix it  so decided to do a fresh install from 8.04.4 to 10.04
[23:12] <virtuald> yeah blame someone else :p
[23:13] <zcat[1]> I was looking for an excuse to upgrade anyhow.
[23:14] <zcat[1]> I love the speed it boots now
[23:14] <DanaG> hmm, I upgraded from karmic; my system boots to auto-login in 5 seconds.... and then takes like 40 seconds to show my panels.
[23:16] <kklimonda> DanaG, do you have a bootchart?
[23:16] <virtuald> my netbook is a lot quicker than that
[23:16] <virtuald> though i only had lxde on karmic
[23:17] <usuario> virtuald: says cant open dir var/lib/apt/list/lock
[23:17] <usuario> virtuald: permision denied even in root
[23:18] <zcat[1]> cairo's is about five seconds to autologin and about another 10 to a usable desktop
[23:18] <zcat[1]> perhaps I should install bootchart and get some accurate figures
[23:19] <ZykoticK9> zcat[1], not sure it's been updated to use Upstart as of yet - perhaps it has...
[23:19] <zcat[1]> cairo@wolfpack:~$ sudo reboot
[23:20] <zcat[1]> will soon see ;)
[23:22] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/bootcharts/
[23:22] <zcat[1]> where does bootchart save bootcharts again?
[23:23] <kklimonda>  /var/log/bootchart
[23:24] <DanaG> yeah, my netbook boots a lot faster than my big laptop, also... despite the more powerful system having a 7200rpm drive (netbook is 5400rpm).
[23:24] <kklimonda> DanaG, looks like it doesn't crop your charts - you have replaced gnome-panel with something else?
[23:25] <DanaG> Nope.
[23:25] <DanaG> Gnome panel just seems to come in really really late.
[23:25] <zcat[1]> bootchart says 35s but it seems faster...
[23:25] <DanaG> GLaDOS is an old desktop; EliteBook is the "Good" laptop; Samsung is the netbook.
[23:27] <kklimonda> DanaG, you have a huge amount of apps launched at login and they are from both kde and gnome..
[23:28] <kklimonda> DanaG, and elitebook doesn't have ureadahead running?
[23:28] <DanaG> Doesn't seem to; part of it is that /home is a separate partition.
[23:28] <DanaG> The old readahead back in Jaunty worked nicely; the new one does not.
[23:29] <kklimonda> ureadahead does wonders for my boottime..
[23:29] <DanaG> odd... jockey-kde and jockey-gtk are both there.
[23:30] <kklimonda> those are all systems upgraded from karmic?
[23:30] <DanaG> I believe so.
[23:30] <DanaG> Samsung started as a Karmic fresh install, then was moved to Lucid right away before anything else.
[23:31] <kklimonda> I know that you won't get as good boot times with upgraded systems as with clean installs
[23:31] <kklimonda> btw, dropbox is really slowing it down
[23:32] <kklimonda> ubuntu one takes 2 seconds before it gets idle
[23:32] <DanaG> yeah, it doesn't deal well with the thousands of files that are my pidgin logs... in dropbox.
[23:32] <kklimonda> heh
[23:32] <DanaG> Yet, the netbook ALSO has dropbox, and isn't nearly that slow.
[23:33] <DanaG> And ubuntuone doesn't have a Windows version.
[23:33] <kklimonda> funny thing is it looks like your charts are cropped prematurely..
[23:34] <kklimonda> at least the ones from glados
[23:34] <DanaG> Glados is a basically disused system... a hard drive from my previous laptop, stuck in an old desktop.
[23:35] <Happehwalrus> Does anyone know what the package for the 9.10 Software Center is?
[23:36] <Happehwalrus> Mine got removed and now all I have is Synaptic Package Manager.
[23:36] <kklimonda> software-center
[23:37] <DanaG> oh yeah, the reason I have kmix there, is so I can have two independent hotkeyed volume controls.
[23:37] <DanaG> Regular volume keys for onboard sound, and ctrl+volume for usb sound card.
[23:44] <Happehwalrus> kklimonda: Ummm, no.
[23:45] <kklimonda> !info software-center karmic
[23:48] <DanaG> hmm, rebooted... still no ureadahead.
[23:48] <DanaG> And I even reinstalled the ureadahead package.
[23:48] <penguin42> DanaG: I've seen ureadahead errors during boot
[23:49] <DanaG> hmm, if they're there for me, they get trampled on by loading uvesafb.
[23:49] <DanaG> I also had to deliberately break vga16fb to get the stupid thing to stop loading... otherwise it interfered with radeon KMS or with uvesafb!
[23:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/494062
[23:53] <DanaG> oh, and I see the background of my top panel appear 5 or 10 seconds before I even see the bottom panel at all.
[23:53] <penguin42> DanaG: I don't think that's unusual; have you got a lot of apps on the panel?
[23:54] <DanaG> yeah, therey
[23:54] <DanaG> er
[23:54] <DanaG> yeah, there are a few.
[23:54] <DanaG> Brightness applet is needed because the brightness hotkeys are broken.
[23:54] <DanaG> But only on this laptop.
[23:54] <penguin42> DanaG: I'm not convinced it's very smart at starting all the startup apps up, I think it can get hung up on one
[23:55] <DanaG> hmm, weird that ureadahead didn't run at all!
[23:55] <DanaG> Does it not run after upgrades of packages, or something?
[23:56] <penguin42> DanaG: I think it does but crashes, I've run without the splash screen stuff and I see an error near the very start of boot
[23:57] <kklimonda> DanaG, it doesn't
[23:57] <DanaG> er, "does it not" is ambiguous.  so, it ... does not... run?  ah.
[23:57] <kklimonda> DanaG, or rather it then runs in the "profiler mode"
[23:58] <DanaG> dang, well, considering there are package updates more than once per day... that'd be part of it.
[23:58] <kklimonda> right - that's why if I want to test my boot speed I reboot twice ;)
[23:59] <DanaG> Still, even without readahead, I'd expect it not to be quite THAT horribly long.
[23:59] <kklimonda> also not every upgrade enables profiling
[23:59] <DanaG> hmm, I'll try rebooting again.
[23:59] <kklimonda> DanaG, well - you load a lot of apps