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hggdhbug 52119800:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 521198 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Can't zoom text in chat windows. (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52119800:06
bcurtiswxhggdh: that bug seems to me like they want web browser like zoom feature.. which would be wishlist.. and I'll request them to send it upstream00:35
hggdhbcurtiswx: indeed and I did mark it wish00:41
bcurtiswxdid the opening ceremonies of the olympics already start?00:48
hggdhIDN. It's nbc broadcast, which means it will suck00:49
bcurtiswxbah :-\00:50
bcurtiswxthey're already showing events.. thats why I'm confused00:50
hggdhheh. I cannot even find the channel here...00:51
maxbgstreamer has so many source packages... is there a sensible central one to files bugs against for further triage?00:59
ddecatorbug 485352, wishlist please (even though i know it probably won't get considered)01:12
ubot4Launchpad bug 485352 in window-picker-applet (Ubuntu) (and 6 other projects) "The Window List Applet in GNOME should offer a setting to permanently set an X number of rows (affects: 1)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48535201:12
hggdhmaxb: idk01:13
maxbI suppose I could just file it on totem and hope01:13
hggdh:-)01:13
hggdhmaxb: let me do a quick check01:13
maxbThe bugs are specific to DVD playback if that matters01:14
hggdhno, I cannot find a ref to it... might be good to set one up if we get enough information about it01:16
nigelbThere is a bug reported about rhythmbox which I can confirm but I'm not sure if its a feature.  what should I do>01:50
wgrantnigelb: Which is it?01:52
nigelbbug 52119901:53
ubot4Launchpad bug 521199 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox fails to play songs the first time if they are not imported to library (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52119901:53
wgrantThat sounds like a bug.01:54
nigelbokay :), I'll report upstream01:55
nigelbI was confused whether rhythmbox adding to library before playing was a feature01:55
kklimondanigelb, I wonder - it isn't a feature but may be a design decision ;)01:58
nigelbkklimonda, well, looks like people have already complained.  There is an exising upstream bug01:59
nigelbI like this feature.  they needed to just add an option to enable/disable it01:59
kklimondanigelb, it's my guess but they are probably going to respond that to play single files totem should be used02:00
nigelbkklimonda, beauty of it is, they can't02:00
nigelbkklimonda, downstream might, but not upstream ;)02:01
kklimondathey can mark the bug as a WON'T FIX though02:03
nigelbI hope not02:03
ddecatorgnome seems to like the "WON'T FIX" status =p02:06
nigelbwhat does editable menus mean?02:06
nigelbbug 51369102:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 513691 in totem (Ubuntu) "Editable menu shortcut keys (Appearance > Interface) do not work as expected (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51369102:06
nigelbstep 1 is "Enable editable menus" and I have no clue how to enable them ;)02:07
ddecatornigelb, i'm guessing they mean to right-click the gnome menus and select "edit menus"02:07
ddecatornigelb, then change the command for the app? i haven't looked at the full report yet02:07
nigelbddecator, for editing the totem menu?02:07
nigelbhe wants to change the menu inside an app02:08
nigelbI never knew that was even possible02:08
ddecatorah, i see that now...02:08
nigelbhggdh, any idea how it is possible to "set editable menus"?02:10
hggdher, what?02:10
hggdhI see02:10
hggdhhold on02:10
ddecatormaybe it's a plugin?02:11
nigelbdoubt02:11
hggdhOK. Help me -- which entry in the menu is totem? (so that I can run it)02:12
ddecatorhggdh, just run 'totem' in the terminal02:12
nigelbmovie player02:12
ddecatoror that...02:13
hggdhI hate this idea of mascarading the binary name02:13
* ddecator agrees02:13
nigelbhehe, well new users dont want to learn new names02:13
nigelb(I never knew Lp's bug tracker was called malone until I filed a bug against it)02:14
hggdhnigelb: I am very sorry, but I have no idea.02:14
nigelbhggdh, so do I02:14
* hggdh rarely uses sound thingies02:14
ddecatorit's known as malone?02:14
nigelbddecator, lol02:15
nigelbyeah02:15
ddecatorhow did they come up with that?02:15
nigelbdonno.  the basketball player?02:16
nigelbhggdh, who's the gnome person I can talk to (besides pedro) ?02:17
nigelbddecator, I can only figure out soyuz's naming..02:19
hggdhnigelb: there are many gnome persons02:21
hggdhyou mean about totem?02:21
nigelbheah02:21
nigelbyeah02:21
hggdhsee who signed the package -- chances are it's the one02:22
nigelbyou mean he/she 's the one?02:22
ddecatoror s/he02:23
hggdhs/he02:33
nigelbseb02:33
nigelbah, have to wait till he comes on02:33
nigelbdo we support skype?02:48
ddecatorit's on medibuntu02:49
=== kermiac_ is now known as kermiac
kermiacafternoon all :)02:49
kklimondanigelb, not really - medibuntu does that02:50
ddecatorevenin' kermiac02:50
kklimondaach, ddecator said that already02:50
ddecatorkklimonda, np =)02:50
nigelbkklimonda, a bug filed against skype is invalid or valid?02:50
kermiacddecator: just saw bug 521003 - i think i've seen something similar before but can't remember the bug #02:51
ubot4Launchpad bug 521003 in apport (Ubuntu) "Bug reporting broken (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52100302:51
kklimondanigelb, what's bug number?02:52
ddecatorkermiac, i plan to find a dupe after i get info and make the OP feel better about the ubuntu community ;)02:52
nigelbbug 52124702:52
ubot4Launchpad bug 521247 in totem (Ubuntu) "no sound is heard when I play the sound files from skype (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52124702:52
kermiacgood plan :)02:52
ddecatornigelb, yah skype doesnt like pulse02:52
kermiacnigelb: didn't skype have known issues02:52
nigelbdonno, I dont use skype02:52
kermiacbut there was an update, ver 1,1 or something should have fixed the PA issues02:53
ddecatorlet me see what i have installed..02:53
nigelbI dont follow mediaubuntu at all02:53
kklimondanigelb, you should probably close the bug and tell the reporter that if he uses version provided by medibuntu he should report a bug by following https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/+filebug link02:53
ddecatori have the skype 2.1 beta installed, works fine02:54
kklimondanigelb, if he has installed it from skype.com there isn't much we can do and he should contact them02:54
nigelbkklimonda, yeah.  I can't even change the package02:54
* ddecator doesn't remember how he installed skype...02:54
kermiacit wasn't ver 1.1, it was ver 2.1 that fixed the PA issues02:55
kermiachttp://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/09/some_explanations.html02:55
kermiacmy boss was going nuts before it got fixed02:56
ddecatorkermiac, yah it was really bad02:56
hggdhkklimonda: can't we just forward the bug to medibuntu?02:57
nigelbhggdh, I tried.  Don't see how02:57
nigelbI can't change the package to skype.  It was filed under totem02:58
kklimondahggdh, I'm not sure whenever this is a medibuntu package at all as the reporter said that "None of the avaialbe versions of skype work on the toshipa satellite laptop".02:58
ddecatoridk that medibuntu has 2.1 yet02:58
nigelbwell, we dont deal with it and thats about it02:58
ddecatorseems like it02:59
kklimondahggdh, hmm.. can we change package to skype?02:59
hggdhvery much doubt. You can try, at least02:59
kklimondahggdh, I was under the impression that we can only change package to another package in Ubuntu distribution but now I see that there is a skype package in the Choose menu02:59
kklimondalets see what is going to happen03:00
kklimondanope03:00
kklimondahggdh, so I see no way of forwarding it to Medibuntu as totem's upstream is GNOME :)03:00
ddecatorkklimonda, i have ff 3.7 show up as an option because i have it installed, but it won't let me assign a bug to that package since it isn't officially in the repos03:00
nigelbkklimonda, I tried and failed some time03:00
kklimondaand Medibuntu isn't a distribution03:00
hggdheh? isn't it about skype?03:00
nigelbhggdh, the bug was filed under totem03:01
kklimondahggdh, sure it is - but the bug was reported using totem ;)03:01
ddecatorhggdh, is there any way you know of to fix it so you can't search for a package not in the repos?03:01
hggdhddecator: I do not follow you? not search for a package not in the repos?03:02
ddecatorhggdh, if i search for a package on launchpad to assign a bug to, packages i have installed through ppas (firefox-3.7 for example) show up, but we can't assign a bug to them because they're not in the official repos03:03
hggdhoh, yes, you cannot.03:03
kklimondayes, it seems that launchpad is using the list of all packages it knows about to populate search results :)03:03
hggdhbut they exist as projects in LP03:03
hggdhmight be a good idea to see if there is a bug already opened for this on LP, and open one if not03:04
nigelbkklimonda, we had that issue with ppa nots being supported03:04
nigelberr... ddecator ^^03:04
hggdhI see what you mean. We should be able to separate Ubuntu packages from non-ubuntu03:04
hggdhwait03:05
ddecatorprevents confusion when assigning packages03:05
hggdhthis certainly has been reported03:05
ddecatorhas it? i haven't looked yet haha, just thought about it03:05
hggdhthe PPA and no bugs has been discussed again and again03:06
kklimondaand no -dbgsym :/03:06
hggdhwell, yes, so no apport magic. But you can still either generate dbgs, or not strip the symbols03:11
kklimondasure03:12
hggdhbut this adds to the issues on accepting bugs for PPAs03:12
hggdh/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/cdunix4000/ndm/bin03:13
hggdhsorry, bad paste03:14
nigelblol03:14
hggdhperparing another weechat GIT image for the PPA...03:15
nigelbhggdh, shutdown/restart via menu is gdm?03:16
hggdhyou mena the indicator applet session?03:17
nigelbum, no... right corner clicking my name and clicking shutdown03:18
nigelbbug 52112203:18
ubot4Launchpad bug 521122 in ubuntu "shutdown and restart button do not work (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52112203:18
kklimondait is a indicator-something :)03:18
nigelbthough I have doubts if he's using kde ... "konsole" ?03:18
ddecatorkonsole is terminal for kde03:18
hggdhindicator-applet-session, but I am not sure this is what the OP is talking about03:19
kklimondaor maybe not - he mentions Konsole which is KDE application03:19
hggdhthis sounds like kde03:19
hggdhheh03:19
nigelbI'll ask for more info..03:19
kklimondanigelb, mark as Incomplete and ask for Ubuntu version, DE version etc.03:19
ddecatorasking for info is always the safe route =)03:20
kklimonda(DE == Desktop Environment)03:20
hggdhyes03:20
nigelbkklimonda, ok :)03:20
hggdhwould lsb_release -a state if it is kde?03:20
kklimondahggdh, not sure but I would say no03:20
kklimondahggdh, it uses /etc/lsb-release which is provided only by lsb-release03:21
hggdhah well03:21
nigelbhggdh, btw, I learned how to write an apport hook :)03:22
hggdhgood!03:22
nigelbhggdh, though after I spent 4 hours writing one, I realized that the lucid package already had one :p03:23
ddecatornigelb, still good practice =)03:23
nigelbddecator, yep.  It was fun!03:23
hggdhwell, at least you learned some -- which is always good03:23
nigelbhggdh, thinking of contributing to a few active universe packages that way.. lernid for starters03:23
* ddecator wants to learn more about debugging and the like03:24
hggdhgood, any involvement is good -- we need it ;-)03:24
nigelb:)03:24
nigelbddecator, get a source and hack through it03:24
kklimondaheh, never enough bug triagers :)03:24
ddecatornigelb, i'm working on learning basic python first so i can understand the scripts, haha03:25
nigelbddecator, hehe.. I only know basic python and basic c and c++03:25
nigelbalmost all programming languages look alike after some time03:26
hggdhpython is easy, and a good language to learn first03:26
nigelbhggdh, you get a mail every time I report a bug in gnome?03:26
ddecatorgood, i'm teaching myself, i have almost no electives at school haha03:26
hggdhnigelb: yes, I do. I told you I would be following you03:26
nigelbddecator, byte of python?03:26
nigelbhggdh, must've gotten quite a few this week03:26
hggdha bit, yes. Part of the game. I want to try getting you more rights in b.z.o when I feel you are good enough for it03:27
hggdhb.g.o03:27
kklimondahggdh, but I feel that "Ubuntu" is overly promote it - it's great language but I really hate seeing all those applets and daemons using so much ram03:27
kklimondagwibber uses over 100MB :/03:28
ddecatornigelb, what now?03:28
hggdhkklimonda: yes, but this is part of the price you pay for interpreted languages, and automaic garbage collection03:28
hggdhand, nowadays, memory is not that expensive (although I feel back when I see a memory-hungry appl all the same)03:29
nigelbddecator, huh>03:29
ddecatornigelb, what about "byte of python"?03:29
nigelbddecator, I asked if you were using that :)03:29
nigelbddecator, its a book released under gpl and the first book for newbies03:30
hggdhkklimonda: and it is not only Ubuntu -- Gnome is also using quite a lot of python03:30
kklimondahggdh, python for sure has a lover barrier of entry than C03:30
hggdhyes, -- and it is waaaayyyy better than C++03:30
ddecatornigelb, never heard of it, haha, i'm using free MIT videos from a class that uses python to show how coding works, with the emphasis of being able to recognize all code, even if you can't program with it03:30
nigelbddecator, oh.  thats even better..link?03:30
kklimondahggdh, don't even start with gnome - they use JavaScript for gnome-shell..03:30
hggdhheh03:30
nigelbis gnome shell coming in lucid?03:31
kklimondanigelb, not by default03:31
nigelbppa?03:31
hggdhis gnome-3 ready for prime time?03:31
ddecatornigelb, gnome 3 is coming in lucid+103:31
kklimondano03:31
ddecator(most likely)03:31
kklimondanigelb, some old gnome-shell is already in repos03:31
hggdhsounds better03:31
nigelbddecator, ah03:31
ddecatornigelb, http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-00Fall-2008/LectureVideos/index.htm03:32
kklimondanigelb, but upstream haven't really released any tarballs after 2.28.0 was released03:32
nigelbddecator, thanks03:32
nigelbkklimonda, aw :(03:32
ddecatornigelb, np03:32
kklimondanigelb, so for now the only place to get a new gnome-shell is some ppa03:32
kklimondanigelb, but it isn't worth the effort in my opinion03:32
hggdh+103:32
nigelbkklimonda, I like me desktop clean, so I won't be using it03:32
hggdhtoo unstable03:33
nigelbif it were coming to ubuntu, I would want it to be turned off by some feature03:33
ddecatornigelb kklimonda , yah i tried it and it freaked out haha, i had a hard time switching my DE back to the standard gnome...03:33
nigelbthat is also why didnt like kde or windows vista+ either03:33
kklimondahggdh, unstable it is. But also I don't really feel that it is the right direction03:33
kklimondahggdh, the basic ideas are interesting but overall look just doesn't convince me.03:34
ddecatorthey'll offer an option to switch to the standard setup03:34
ddecator(i think that's still planned...)03:34
hggdhkklimonda: I am not sure either. But it is still evolving03:34
kklimondaAnd I'm not convinced that it'll be ready for gnome 2.3203:35
nigelbif a bug works on lucid but not on karmic = fix released?03:35
kklimondafor sure not as the default desktop03:35
kklimondanigelb, you mean it was fixed in lucid?03:35
ddecatori'm just worried it won't compare to compiz03:35
ddecatornigelb, you can always check the changelogs for the lucid version and see if a fix is mentioned03:36
nigelbI know its fixed03:36
kklimondaddecator, sure - it won't have a cube03:36
kklimondaddecator, but really, cube isn't what linux is all about (contrary to some people believes :) )03:36
nigelbkklimonda, It is not reproducible03:36
ddecatorkklimonda, i'm more concerned about grid, scale, and all of those other productivity tools03:36
kklimondanigelb, what bug number?03:37
nigelbkklimonda, bug 51369103:37
ubot4Launchpad bug 513691 in totem (Ubuntu) "Editable menu shortcut keys (Appearance > Interface) do not work as expected (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51369103:37
nigelbkklimonda, can you confirm it works on lucid too?03:37
nigelbI can confirm its broken in karmic03:37
kklimondaddecator, grid and scale are built-in into overlay03:38
kklimondaif grid and scale are the plugins I think they are03:38
kklimondacan't check right now :)03:38
ddecatorkklimonda, idk, but that'd be good news03:38
hggdhnigelb: if it works in Lucid it is fix-released. The OP may request a SRU03:38
nigelbhggdh, he's already given a rant.  How do i reply?03:39
kklimondanigelb, what are "editable menus"?03:39
nigelbkklimonda, hehe, see the last comment03:39
nigelbhggdh, the op replied about the totem editable menus03:39
ddecatornigelb, i never knew that option was there...03:39
nigelbhggdh, what he means was editable menu shortcuts03:40
nigelbddecator, me neither03:40
kklimondawell, as the Interface tab has been apparently removed the bug is fixed! ;)03:40
nigelbkklimonda, no interface tab? :O03:40
hggdhheh03:40
kklimondanigelb, looks like it03:41
nigelbwonder how pedro said works fine for me03:41
kklimondathere may be another way to get to this option03:41
hggdhPedro is most probably running Karmic03:42
nigelbpedro said works fine on lucid for this bug03:42
nigelband the OP got mad :p03:42
ddecatorhaha, pedro didn't ask him to triage it himself...03:43
kklimondanigelb, give me a sec and I'll probably find some way to test it..03:43
nigelbkklimonda, sure :)03:43
nigelbkklimonda, I'll set the bug to confirmed and you can change to fix released after you test?03:43
hggdhnigelb: did you confirm it?03:44
nigelbhggdh, on karmic, yes03:44
hggdhok, go ahead and mark it so03:44
kklimondabtw, this is the first time I've heard about "editable shortcuts"03:46
* nigelb too03:47
ddecatori don't see anything in the changelog mentioning a specific change...03:48
ddecatoralthough idk how they would word it03:48
nigelbddecator, you are reading totem changelog/?03:49
kklimondaok, found it in gconf-editor03:49
ddecatornigelb, yes, for the current lucid build03:49
nigelbddecator, this may not be a totem issue at all03:49
nigelbkklimonda, that must've taken a lot of searching03:50
ddecatornigelb, i'm not sure it is, but that's the only package i know to go on haha, but there isn't anything there03:50
nigelbddecator, the shortcut doesnt get reassinged03:50
nigelbthats what happens...03:50
kklimondanigelb, actually I had to check upstream bug about Interface tab removal to get a gconf name :)03:50
nigelbkklimonda, ah03:50
kklimondanigelb, works for me03:51
nigelbkklimonda, can you set to fix released then?03:51
ddecatornigelb, right, i'm just not sure what package would be responsible for that. it could have been totem not applying the change correctly, but like i said i don't see anything mentioning it03:51
ddecatorwell this has been a good teamwork night, haha03:53
nigelbddecator, hehe, yes it has :)03:54
nigelbwe all learned a lot03:54
nigelbyaay! i'm finally on the 5-a-day stats page :)03:54
ddecatornigelb, congrats! i made it too =)03:54
nigelbddecator, congrats to you too.  I just saw your name03:54
ddecatorexcept i missed a day?! o_O03:55
nigelblater folks.  I'm off to bed :)03:56
ddecatori guess just assigning packages to bugs doesn't count? haha03:56
ddecatorcya nigelb03:56
kklimondanigelb, done03:56
nigelbkklimonda, thanks03:56
nigelbddecator, it should count if you comment I think03:57
kklimondanigelb, but most likely it isn't going to be fixed in Karmic. I've nominated it to keep track of the fact that it is indeed broken but we don't have enough resources to fix it.03:57
ddecatoryah i didn't realize that there was a canned response for adding a package to a bug until after i did about 10 =p03:57
kklimondaach03:57
shadeslayerhey is it possible to sync a ubuntu bug with upstream bug report?05:47
ddecatorshadeslayer, usually05:47
ddecatoris there a certain bug you are looking at?05:47
shadeslayerddecator: i cant find the button :P05:47
shadeslayerddecator: yep05:47
shadeslayerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/52097805:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 520978 in meta-kde (Ubuntu) "KDE-4.4 upgrade causes desktop crash (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]05:48
shadeslayerddecator: theres a link in the description and i was wondering how to link it05:48
ddecatorshadeslayer, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage and look at "Forwarding Upstream"05:49
kermiacclick on the "also affects project" button to add the upstream bug05:49
shadeslayerah ok,thanks :)05:49
ddecatorshadeslayer, i would help out with that but idk much about kde triaging05:50
shadeslayeralso since upstream says its resolved,i can mark it resolved at ubuntu bugs too right05:50
ddecatordepends on why they marked it resolved...05:52
shadeslayerResolution : DOWNSTREAM05:52
ddecatorlet me look at it a sec05:53
shadeslayerddecator: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226263#c205:53
ubot4shadeslayer: Error: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: timed out (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=226263)05:53
ddecatorhm, idk enough about kde bugs to know how that would be classified, but ubuntu bugs don't always have the same status as the upstream bugs05:55
shadeslayerok ill ask in kubuntu-devel then D05:56
ddecatorsounds good, sorry i'm not much help05:56
shadeslayerddecator: no problem05:57
kklimondahey - anyone with karmic online?05:57
* ddecator <-05:58
ddecatorkklimonda, need a bug confirmed?05:58
kklimondayes05:58
ddecator#?05:59
kklimondaddecator, it's bug 51369105:59
ubot4Launchpad bug 513691 in totem (Ubuntu) "Editable menu shortcut keys (Appearance > Interface) do not work as expected (affects: 1)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51369105:59
kklimondaddecator, I'm wondering whenever it's really a totem issue05:59
kklimondaddecator, can you enable "editable menus" and check if you can change them in gedit?06:00
kklimondaddecator, for example if you can bind Edit->Insert date and time to Ctrl+A06:00
ddecatorkklimonda, oooooh, to i see what you mean. one sec06:02
ddecator-to06:02
ddecatorto set it, i just hover over the option and press a key combination?06:04
kklimondayes06:04
ddecatorodd way of doing it...06:04
ddecatordoes nothing06:05
ddecatorso it's not totem06:05
kklimondayeah.. I've changed it to ctrl+z instead of ctrl+s and it worked but now I've played some more with it and changing it to the shortcut that is already bound to another action doesn't really work06:06
kklimondavisually it changes but old action is triggered06:06
kklimondareally weird and not related to totem :/06:06
ddecatorbut i have no idea what it would be related to...06:06
* shadeslayer goes on triaging spree06:06
ddecatorlet me check something06:06
ddecatorshadeslayer, are you a member or bugsquad?06:07
shadeslayerddecator: just a launchpad user.... vying to be a member :P06:07
ddecatorshadeslayer, have you checked out the wikis on how to triage and everything?06:07
shadeslayerddecator: yep06:07
shadeslayerddecator: although i forgot how to link the upstream bugs :P06:08
shadeslayerand the wiki is just so huge.... :D06:08
ddecatorshadeslayer, it's all information triagers need to know though06:09
ddecatorkklimonda, it doesn't look like it is added to the keyboard shortcuts program06:09
shadeslayerddecator: yeah,im just starting out with small bugs... stuff like packages do not install,and small crashes that ive experienced and know how to resolve06:10
ddecatorshadeslayer, ok, just don't start assigning bugs to people or anything, we've had enough people doing that the past week, haha06:10
shadeslayerddecator: lol... nope,wont be doing that,just marking them as incomplete or invalid,i leave them if i cant figure something out06:11
shadeslayerddecator: and i bet that was due to the developer week we had recently...06:11
kklimondaddecator, not sure if it should be added there06:11
ddecatorshadeslayer, as long as you're only marking bugs invalid if you know for sure that they should be06:11
shadeslayerddecator: yeah of course...06:12
ddecatorkklimonda, idk either, but i thought i would look to see if it created a "custom" menu or something showing what shortcuts have been set in programs by the user (which would just be too convenient)06:12
ddecatorshadeslayer, sounds good06:12
ddecatorshadeslayer, let us know if you have any questions06:12
ddecatorshadeslayer, i also recommend looking into the mentoring program, even though it will probably take awhile to get assigned one, haha06:13
shadeslayerddecator: for eg. there was a bug about flash plugin not installing correctly,had a look at the dpkg log and it said the download timed out... left a comment explaining the problem and marked it as invalid06:13
ddecatorshadeslayer, fair enough06:14
shadeslayerddecator: the report also said installing it again worked.... so i dont see any problem06:14
* ddecator has seen a lot of "bugs" caused by the download servers not cooperating06:14
ddecatorshadeslayer, nope, especially if they said they got it to work. i'm just being cautious because of the trouble we've been having, haha06:15
shadeslayerddecator: hehe... well ill be sure to confirm anything i cant figure out :)06:15
ddecatorshadeslayer, assuming you can successfully reproduce it on your machine ;)06:16
shadeslayerddecator: of course!06:16
ddecatorkklimonda, any ideas leads on possible packages?06:18
ddecatori can't type...06:19
ddecatorideas/leads06:19
kklimondaddecator, wrt 513691?06:20
ddecatorkklimonda, yes06:20
kklimondaddecator, I have no idea. it may be a bug in both totem and gedit06:21
ddecatorkklimonda, well i guess it's just time for me to do some more testing =)06:21
kklimondaI've tried reproducing it with gnome-terminal and disk usage analizer06:21
kklimondabut as it doesn't happen with every key combination it's kinda hard to do it06:22
ddecatortry to keep track of what combinations do and don't cause it, we may find a connection06:22
kklimondafor example Ctrl+L in totem can be rebound just fine06:23
kklimondaI should probably dig into totem source06:23
ddecatorwell, like you said, it may be an issue of using combinations that already have a function06:23
kklimondano - Ctrl+L is bound to "Open Location" so that's not it06:24
ddecatornvm06:24
kklimondathat's what makes it weird06:24
ddecatori'm having no problems with terminal06:26
ddecatoryou're right though, Ctrl+A won't insert the date with gedit, but Ctrl+T will...06:27
kklimondahmm06:27
ddecatorbut i used Ctrl+A in terminal with no trouble06:27
kklimondaInsert date and time is a plugin.. I think06:27
kklimondaand screenshot in totem is also a plugin06:27
ddecatorbut shuffle in totem isn't06:27
kklimondano, that's not it06:28
kklimondaargh06:28
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ddecatorit seems like what combinations don't work depends on the program06:28
ddecatorthe good news is, i set it so i can use Ctrl+V to paste into terminal finally...06:29
kklimondaheh06:30
ddecatorbut i also can't figure out what separates programs with editable menus and without...for example, i can't edit openoffice, which i wasn't too surprised, but i can't seem to edit calculator either06:30
kklimondaheh06:32
* ddecator is confused06:32
kklimondaprobably that's why they have hidden it in new GNOME release06:32
kklimondaI wonder whenever it worked in previous releases06:35
kklimondaso - anyone with gnome and 8.04? :)06:35
ddecatori don't like its setup at all06:36
ddecatorit seems like someone could easily set a new shortcut without meaning to06:36
kklimondaddecator, so gedit part is reported here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13124006:45
ubot4Gnome bug 131240 in libbonoboui "Option "desktop/gnome/interface/can_change_accels" ignored by gedit" [Minor,Resolved: wontfix]06:45
kklimondabut totem doesn't use bonobo06:45
kklimondait may use something weird though06:46
ddecatorman the gnome devs love to put "wontfix"...any idea what totem does use?06:46
kklimondaheh, but gedit doesn06:49
kklimondadoesn't link to bonobo anymore06:49
ddecatoryah they mentioned it was deprecated06:49
ddecatorno idea what replaced it though...06:49
kklimondaI should probably ask seb128 about it after the weekend06:50
ddecatorcouldn't hurt06:50
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mrandkklimonda: I was actually thinking of installing 8.04 to try some LTS -> LTS upgrade testing.  Not sure when, but maybe sometime this week.  Were you joking, or was there something you'd like me to check out?  If you're wanting it sooner, you could perhaps use a VM, or re-partition your drive and do a real install (and then upgrade that to 10.04, like I plan to).13:43
marcus_hello :)13:58
marcus_I was trying to resize an ext4 partition, but I ran into something that looks like a bug in fsck.ext4. But I'm not sure how to find out if it is or not13:59
marcus_fsck.ext4 gives me this error: "Error determining size of the physical device: File too large"14:00
marcus_any thoughts on how to proceed?14:01
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Guest68989clients of mythbuntu server time is wrong15:00
Guest68989so mythtv will not work15:00
MTecknologymarcoba keeps incorrectly assigning questions to packages - anybody up for looking into it? They seem to think the yelp package is for any support request15:00
Guest68989anyone?15:01
MTecknology!support15:11
ubot4The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org15:11
MTecknologyGuest68989: ^15:11
hggdhMTecknology: I do not have time now, but please send an email to the -control ML15:22
hggdhthis evening, when I get home, I may be able to look at it15:22
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MTecknologyhggdh: alrighty - thanks - I'm trying to talk to them directly and expalin things because it seems to be a language barrier. If that doesn't go well I'll fire off to there15:32
mrandMTecknology: I see what you're talking about.   Perhaps he thinks "yelp in ubuntu" = "help in ubuntu".15:35
MTecknologymrand: ya - I'll pastebing the email I sent him15:39
MTecknologymrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375551/15:39
* mrand feels sorry for non-native english speakers. I'd hate to have to learn this language too.15:42
MTecknologymrand: me is still lerning15:43
MTecknologymrand: i feel bad too - just makes things hard15:43
hggdhheh15:45
hggdhone thing to do is always be courteous. 'please', 'thank you', etc go a long way15:46
MTecknologyhggdh: I'll try to make sure to use them in the future15:48
mrandhggdh is correct.  the word choices that some non-native speakers choose sometimes end up come across as somewhat rude (unintentionally, of course).  please and thank you help soften those.15:49
hggdhthank you15:49
hggdh:-)15:49
mrandHaving said that, even native speakers could stand to use more please and thank you's (in every day life at home, much less online or the Ubuntu community)15:50
hggdhindeed15:51
MTecknologyI'm generally pretty polite when I'm out and about - I need to work on it though15:52
hggdhwe all, generally, are polite. The potential problems are (non-exaustive): replying on-the-spot to a post/text/comment that made you angry; missing the nice words; using imperative mode15:58
hggdhand emphasys... you *cannot* do that <- sounds like an order15:59
hggdhone thing that I do, when a post made me a bit, er, not-so-nice, is to write a response and save it. Then wait at least some hours. Then rewrite it (and get amazed on how rude I was sounding)16:01
mrandme too, although I'm usually pretty dispassionate.16:02
* hggdh is controlled. Tightly. ;-)16:03
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hggdhtime to go. See you all later.16:03
kamalmostafaI'm looking for someone with an "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P9500" to try the 10-line program in bug 518314 -- I cannot reproduce the reported problem on a similar Core2 Quad.  (Or a redirect to a more appropriate channel to ask).17:02
ubot4Launchpad bug 518314 in eglibc (Ubuntu) "strcmp crashes (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51831417:02
edakiriWhere can I see a list of tags for bugs?17:17
nigelbvish, around?17:23
vishnigelb: hey17:23
nigelbvish, can you take a look at bug 518910?17:23
ubot4Launchpad bug 518910 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "intermittent mail notifications. (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51891017:23
nigelbaren't you on ayatana?  its a notify-osd bug17:23
* vish checks17:24
edakiribug 521422 looks like wishlist or brainstorm, but which?17:31
ubot4Launchpad bug 521422 in kopete (Ubuntu) "kopete doesn't support standard HTML chat logging (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52142217:31
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vishnigelb: it might seem the user is typing the command with the quotes ,  and the bug is probably in evolution-indicator package and not in evo17:33
nigelbvish, did you see the second log he posted.  The send-text worked then17:34
nigelbso, he's doing it fine.17:34
vishah , right17:34
nigelbworthy of upstream then, i.e., if its evolution-indicator?17:34
vishnigelb: its a bug in evolution-indicator and evo-indicator is hosted in lauchpad17:35
vishjust change the notify-osd task to evolution-indicator17:35
nigelbah, okay :)17:35
nigelbthanks17:35
vishnp..17:35
* nigelb is retiring to rhythmbox package from today :)17:36
vishqense: lmao! where can i login now?  facebook ;p17:58
qensevish: Yeah, I really should get a Facebook Connector for my blog. ;)17:59
vishqense: the poor fella must be getting huge mail from those comments..!17:59
qenseit is a professional news blog, so I'm sure he won't be subscribed to it personally18:00
vishheh , good for him then ;)18:00
vish*sigh* , someone should really tell om26er about statuses :/     Bug #50496618:16
ubot4Launchpad bug 504966 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Facebook account creation dialog is displayed above Facebook authorization window (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50496618:16
qensevish: yeah18:17
persiavish: Have we not tried several times?  Like I said before, send email to the ML if you're not happy about someone's access: that's a better forum for the discussion.18:18
vishpersia: i have tried *several* times to tell him personally , emailed him... and it seems like I'm the only one complaining [which makes me feel like a jerk] , we already removed him from papercuters since he didnt understand it well enough :(18:20
persiavish: Well, I've spent a lot of time denying requests to change importance before he was in bug control, but enough other people thought he did good work, so ...18:22
vishpersia: bcurtiswx also felt he was mixing up on a few empathy bugs.. [he but he approved his bug control membership ;p]18:25
vishbut*18:25
persiaYeah.  I'm unsure myself, because I'm not feeling that much pain yet (om26er hasn't been fiddling with packages I watch), but we do maybe need to be more careful about making sure people understand when approving them.18:26
nigelbvish, whats the proper way to handle that bug?18:27
persiaI don't like the idea of writing "you suck" mail to respond to applications any more than anyone else, but I'm a big supporter of "I think you would benefit from a bit more work in these areas: ... before becoming a member" emails.18:27
vishnigelb: that bug was fixed.. the embedding was the fix18:27
nigelbfix released then?18:27
vishyeah18:27
nigelb(just trying to understand :) )18:28
nigelbvish, BTW, where in India are you?18:29
vishnigelb: chennai18:30
nigelbvish, ah :)18:30
vishnigelb: hopefully you'll let us have water ;)18:34
nigelbvish, lol :)18:34
vishpersia: hehe , i knew this Bug #490313 would be duped upstream :D18:42
ubot4Launchpad bug 490313 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "The status icons are not correct (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49031318:42
persiasearching upstream bugs for dupes is a key skill :/18:43
bcurtiswxvish: i agree om26er is having trouble with statuses.. hes doing an awesome job understanding where to go.. he just needs a little more guidance18:52
vishbcurtiswx: yeah , he is enthusiastic , but sometimes he doesnt listen or maybe we are not able to communicate effectively :(18:53
bcurtiswxvish: agreed18:53
* persia notes that the chance has come :)19:00
mrandbcurtiswx, vish ^^19:09
bcurtiswxom26er: read the wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status19:10
bcurtiswxyou are messing up on a few19:10
om26erbcurtiswx, this have been before or with recent ones?19:11
vishom26er:  recent one > Bug #50496619:12
ubot4Launchpad bug 504966 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Facebook account creation dialog is displayed above Facebook authorization window (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50496619:12
vishom26er: while upstream you also need to search if there is already a bug filed upstream19:13
vishupstreaming*19:13
om26ervish, I do search for common empathy upstream bugs19:14
vishotherwise it increases more work for upstream triagers , which many dont like19:14
vish:)19:14
vishom26er: ah,  ok.. since the upstream for Bug #490313 already has several dups , i thought you didnt search19:15
ubot4Launchpad bug 490313 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "The status icons are not correct (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49031319:15
vishom26er: sending upstream is not easy :) , that ^ bug might not be specific enough, but the main bug already is being discussed regarding better icons... for this one , you could have just commented on the main bug with the lp suggestion...19:19
vishom26er: btw , there will be a release of gnome-icon-theme soon , so it might be fixed19:19
vishmight be fixed soonish*19:20
vishom26er: also while you are triaging if you are logged here , it would be easier for us to just mention it here that on the bug report..19:23
vish*than on the bug report19:23
om26ervish, ok19:24
om26ervish, and thanks19:25
vishom26er: np.. :)19:25
kermiac_what is the correct (i.e polite) was of asking someone to read the wiki & subscribe to bugs? Note - this guy is not a problem, only a couple of bugs21:10
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kermiachttps://edge.launchpad.net/~sinani20121:11
persiakermiac: I'd suggest using "Contact this user" to welcome them to the bugsquad, invite them here, and suggest that some of the links in the /topic may be helpful.21:20
persiaAs that user has chosen to join bugsquad, they may just need a little help to get more involved.21:21
malevI agree with persia21:22
persiakermiac: Just start with the assumption that it's someone new who needs help, rather than with the idea that it's someone who is making mistakes :)21:23
kermiacty persia, yes I totally agree they just need a little guidance21:24
kermiacthat is why I asked for the correct way to go about it as I don't want to come off as being rude21:24
kermiacI'll send him a note with that advice. Thanks for the help persia :)21:25
persiaThanks for watching out for the new folk :)  We all needed a bit of help to get started, and by passing it on, end up having more people help share the work.21:26
malevkermiac, how did you find out that this guy or girl was making mistakes?21:27
kermiacvery true :) I still need a bit of help now & then too, but I remember I was so confused when I first started21:28
kermiacmalev: I just stumbled across him in a couple of bugs & noticed he was confirming them without any comment & not subscribing to the bug report so I thought I'd have a closer look at his/her activity21:29
kermiac& I don't believe they're making mistakes as such, just need a little guidance21:30
kermiacnothing they have done has actually been "wrong"21:30
kermiac!topic21:40
ubot4Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic21:40
kermiacoops21:40
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kermiac!pastebin21:47
ubot4For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.21:47
kermiacpersia: what do you think of this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/375737/21:48
persiakermiac: Looks reasonable.  Thanks for offering to mentor this person :)21:50
kermiacI wouldn't call it "mentoring", I'm simply offering them guidance. I'm after a mentor myself so that I can join bug control ;)21:51
persiakermiac: "Please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further help with bug triaging ..."21:55
persiakermiac: But what do you need re; bug control?  Inwhat areas do you think you are weak?21:56
kermiacI don't actually think I have many weak areas TBH, perhaps finding the right package is what I need to work on most21:57
kermiacfor the most part I think I'm doing ok, but that seems to be my most common question21:57
kermiacalthough I have found apt-cache policy & apt-cache show as well as google & the "find the right package" wiki are very helpful with this21:58
kermiacI just though that in order to get into Bug Control you must go through the mentorship program21:59
persiaI can't speak for everyone, but the two things I look for when I review an application are 1) Have I seen this person active in this channel or on the mailing list and being an active part of the team, and 2) Do I think the referenced bugs are well-triaged.22:00
persiaNah.  You don't need to do it.  Some people work better with mentors, so we have lots of "mentorship" programs.  Some people just dig in and go, and they don't really need a mentor.22:01
kermiacok, if I dig around to find a couple of bugs that I have triaged (not just duped, confirmed, etc) could you see if they're ok?22:01
kermiacalso, how many examples would I need? (approximately 5, 10?)22:02
persiaThe application process requests that you show your best 5.22:02
kermiacok ty persia I don't remember actually reading that :)22:03
persiaI'd recommend ones that were hard, as these tend to be the most convincing examples.  Someone who (correctly) marked 300 bugs duplicate has demonstrated less than someone who has (correctly) moved 3 bugs from some unknown and confusing error into a well described report that the usptream developers are currently fixing.22:03
kamalmostafapersia: on that note...  Have you any estimate as to the usual waiting period for an application for bugcontrol?   What's the next step for, say, my pending application?  :-)22:05
yofelkermiac: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl for the general information on how to join BC22:06
yofelkermiac: it's not that hard ;)22:06
kermiacso bug 516555 would be a good example?22:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 516555 in checkbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Checkbox (System Testing) bypasses the Audio Tests if you skip back & try restart the tests (affects: 3)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51655522:06
persiakamalmostafa: It takes all sorts of time spans, depending on several factors.  As I recall, you need to get three positive endorsements without any unaddressed criticism.22:06
kermiacty for the encouragement yofel :)22:07
persiakamalmostafa: My best recommendation is to keep working on triage, and be active in here, and people will likely respond to your application.22:07
kermiacalthough that wasn't exactly "hard" it took a while to get to the bottom of the problem :)22:07
kamalmostafapersia: I actually do have three positive responses, and no unaddressed criticisms...  https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugcontrol/threads.html#0102422:08
kermiac& this is one I forwarded upstream (someone already had a patch in the LP bug) bug 51174322:08
ubot4Launchpad bug 511743 in ntp (Debian) (and 1 other project) "typo in ntpdate manpage (patch included) (affects: 1)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51174322:08
persiakermiac: I think that 516555 is good but not excellent.  You definitely did all the right things, but if you have some examples where the description was even more unclear to start, you7d get more credit (the original report wasn't horrid, although not good enough).22:10
kermiacok ty persia. I guess I should try to find some more obscure bugs to work on ;)22:10
persiakamalmostafa: In that case, it's probably just waiting on a bug control admin to have time to process the outstanding requests.  That usually happens within a week or two.22:10
kamalmostafapersia: very good.  thanks!22:11
persiakermiac: On 511743, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Usertagging might have been nice22:12
kermiacbookmarked that page, thanks. should I add the tags now?22:16
kermiacthe guy I just sent the message to was here for all of 1.5 mins, lol Sinani20122:18
kermiachopefully they'll be back22:18
persiaMight be client trouble if IRC is not normally used.22:20
persiakermiac: But sure, adding those tags is nice.22:21
malevhi folks! I have a problem with this bug... I don't have the same hardware to check it and apparently no one has it (in the chat rooms) what can I do to confirm it?22:21
malevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/49695622:21
ubot4Launchpad bug 496956 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "when returning from sleep, nautilus opens removable media (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete]22:21
persiakermiac: Just be sure to add them using http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control so as not to spam the maintainer (unless the maintainer specifically requested to recieve all messages)22:21
kermiacok, ty persia. I'm reading through that now :)22:23
persiamalev: That's a hard one.  The laptop testing team used to maintain a list of who had what hardware, but once Ubuntu started to work on >90% of laptops, the LTT seems to have gone quiet.22:23
persiakermiac: Good luck :)22:23
persiaSinani201: Welcome !22:23
Sinani201Hello.22:23
kermiachi Sinani201 :)22:23
malevpersia, so... you suggest ... what do you think I should do?22:23
Sinani201kermiac: Is the welcome email for the bugsquad automated?22:24
persiamalev: I'm not sure.  You could try to see if the LTT is still active anywhere.  You might try mail to ubuntu-users@ asking if anyone has the hardware.  You might try the forums.22:25
malevpersia, OKs! I'm going for it. thanks!!22:25
Sinani201Malev's bug looks valid...22:25
persiamalev: Good luck.22:25
kermiacno, I wrote it as I saw that you have started bug triage & thought you may want a little advice/ guidance22:25
malevSinani201, I think so, but I can't reproduce it in my laptop, so I better look for somene who has the laptop to check it22:26
persiaSinani201: The main issue is that we're looking for someone with hardware to try to verify it and get more details.22:26
Sinani201Oh, I see.22:26
kermiacSinani201: it was mostly to ensure that you were aware of the wiki pages & this channel :)22:26
Sinani201OK.22:26
kermiacSinani201: I hope you were not offended in any way, nothing you have done has been wrong :)22:27
Sinani201Of course not. I could see why you would send that kind of message to a newcomer.22:28
kermiacSinani201: I just noticed that you had confirmed a couple of bugs. It is standard practice for the triager to subscribe to any bug report we comment on in order to get updates22:28
kermiacSinani201: very good, I'm glad you took that the way it was intended :)22:28
kermiacSinani201: please feel free to ask any questions you may have in this channel22:31
Sinani201I don't think this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/521499 has enough info, but I'm not sure.22:31
ubot4Launchpad bug 521499 in k3b (Ubuntu) "k3b crashes with Asus K51 AC (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]22:31
* kermiac looks22:31
Sinani201That's a pretty cool bot :)22:31
persiaSinani201: I'm inclined to agree.  For that bug, I'd hope to see a more detailed "steps to reproduce" section in the description, and preferably a stacktrace of the crash.22:32
Sinani201OK, thanks.22:32
* kermiac agrees with persia22:32
Sinani201Bye.22:35
kermiachey persia, I was reading through the debian server control page & noticed you said to use that so thast I  don't spam the maintainer. What exactly did you mean? It seems to me that adding tags will generate email22:36
persiaExcellent.  Another triager using the resources :)22:36
kermiacyup. awesome! :)22:36
persiakermiac: You send email to add tags.  If you do it with the control interface, the maintainer will only get a note if they set their bug subscription that way.  If you try to send a raw email directly to the bug, it ends up being sent to more folk (I think ).22:37
kermiacok, that make sense. ty22:37
chrisccoulsonthe reporter of bug 521014 isn't very polite22:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 521014 in ubuntu "trying to backup home folder causes permission error (affects: 1)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52101422:39
kermiacyes, I think that's one I changed yesterday22:40
kermiacI thought "error" was more appropriate22:41
* kermiac hasn't finished going through the bugmail yet today22:42
chrisccoulsonyeah, i had a look at the UF thread he linked too. i assume he is user "qqqq1112" on there, as that user has a similar posting style22:42
persiachrisccoulson: Not much we can do about that except be extra-polite back and hope they learn from the example :(22:42
chrisccoulsonpersia - yeah, i just tend to step back when people are not polite ;)22:43
persiaI think we all do after a bit.  Unfortunately, that means they don't get the support we'd like to give, but I can't blame any of us for not pushing harder on that class of bugs.22:44
bcurtiswxhey, just testing to see.. am I still here?23:02
chrisccoulsonbcurtiswx, no you're invisible and i don't see any messages from you :P23:03
chrisccoulsonbut, yeah - you are still here really ;)23:04
bcurtiswxchriscoulson: thanks.. i have a LoCo meeting.. nobody showed.. was getting worried it was me :P23:05
bcurtiswxbut its ok that noone showed.. they're all at a free open source conference thingie23:05

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