[00:06] bug 521198 [00:06] Launchpad bug 521198 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Can't zoom text in chat windows. (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521198 [00:35] hggdh: that bug seems to me like they want web browser like zoom feature.. which would be wishlist.. and I'll request them to send it upstream [00:41] bcurtiswx: indeed and I did mark it wish [00:48] did the opening ceremonies of the olympics already start? [00:49] IDN. It's nbc broadcast, which means it will suck [00:50] bah :-\ [00:50] they're already showing events.. thats why I'm confused [00:51] heh. I cannot even find the channel here... [00:59] gstreamer has so many source packages... is there a sensible central one to files bugs against for further triage? [01:12] bug 485352, wishlist please (even though i know it probably won't get considered) [01:12] Launchpad bug 485352 in window-picker-applet (Ubuntu) (and 6 other projects) "The Window List Applet in GNOME should offer a setting to permanently set an X number of rows (affects: 1)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485352 [01:13] maxb: idk [01:13] I suppose I could just file it on totem and hope [01:13] :-) [01:13] maxb: let me do a quick check [01:14] The bugs are specific to DVD playback if that matters [01:16] no, I cannot find a ref to it... might be good to set one up if we get enough information about it [01:50] There is a bug reported about rhythmbox which I can confirm but I'm not sure if its a feature. what should I do> [01:52] nigelb: Which is it? [01:53] bug 521199 [01:53] Launchpad bug 521199 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox fails to play songs the first time if they are not imported to library (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521199 [01:54] That sounds like a bug. [01:55] okay :), I'll report upstream [01:55] I was confused whether rhythmbox adding to library before playing was a feature [01:58] nigelb, I wonder - it isn't a feature but may be a design decision ;) [01:59] kklimonda, well, looks like people have already complained. There is an exising upstream bug [01:59] I like this feature. they needed to just add an option to enable/disable it [02:00] nigelb, it's my guess but they are probably going to respond that to play single files totem should be used [02:00] kklimonda, beauty of it is, they can't [02:01] kklimonda, downstream might, but not upstream ;) [02:03] they can mark the bug as a WON'T FIX though [02:03] I hope not [02:06] gnome seems to like the "WON'T FIX" status =p [02:06] what does editable menus mean? [02:06] bug 513691 [02:06] Launchpad bug 513691 in totem (Ubuntu) "Editable menu shortcut keys (Appearance > Interface) do not work as expected (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513691 [02:07] step 1 is "Enable editable menus" and I have no clue how to enable them ;) [02:07] nigelb, i'm guessing they mean to right-click the gnome menus and select "edit menus" [02:07] nigelb, then change the command for the app? i haven't looked at the full report yet [02:07] ddecator, for editing the totem menu? [02:08] he wants to change the menu inside an app [02:08] I never knew that was even possible [02:08] ah, i see that now... [02:10] hggdh, any idea how it is possible to "set editable menus"? [02:10] er, what? [02:10] I see [02:10] hold on [02:11] maybe it's a plugin? [02:11] doubt [02:12] OK. Help me -- which entry in the menu is totem? (so that I can run it) [02:12] hggdh, just run 'totem' in the terminal [02:12] movie player [02:13] or that... [02:13] I hate this idea of mascarading the binary name [02:13] * ddecator agrees [02:13] hehe, well new users dont want to learn new names [02:14] (I never knew Lp's bug tracker was called malone until I filed a bug against it) [02:14] nigelb: I am very sorry, but I have no idea. [02:14] hggdh, so do I [02:14] * hggdh rarely uses sound thingies [02:14] it's known as malone? [02:15] ddecator, lol [02:15] yeah [02:15] how did they come up with that? [02:16] donno. the basketball player? [02:17] hggdh, who's the gnome person I can talk to (besides pedro) ? [02:19] ddecator, I can only figure out soyuz's naming.. [02:21] nigelb: there are many gnome persons [02:21] you mean about totem? [02:21] heah [02:21] yeah [02:22] see who signed the package -- chances are it's the one [02:22] you mean he/she 's the one? [02:23] or s/he [02:33] s/he [02:33] seb [02:33] ah, have to wait till he comes on [02:48] do we support skype? [02:49] it's on medibuntu === kermiac_ is now known as kermiac [02:49] afternoon all :) [02:50] nigelb, not really - medibuntu does that [02:50] evenin' kermiac [02:50] ach, ddecator said that already [02:50] kklimonda, np =) [02:50] kklimonda, a bug filed against skype is invalid or valid? [02:51] ddecator: just saw bug 521003 - i think i've seen something similar before but can't remember the bug # [02:51] Launchpad bug 521003 in apport (Ubuntu) "Bug reporting broken (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521003 [02:52] nigelb, what's bug number? [02:52] kermiac, i plan to find a dupe after i get info and make the OP feel better about the ubuntu community ;) [02:52] bug 521247 [02:52] Launchpad bug 521247 in totem (Ubuntu) "no sound is heard when I play the sound files from skype (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521247 [02:52] good plan :) [02:52] nigelb, yah skype doesnt like pulse [02:52] nigelb: didn't skype have known issues [02:52] donno, I dont use skype [02:53] but there was an update, ver 1,1 or something should have fixed the PA issues [02:53] let me see what i have installed.. [02:53] I dont follow mediaubuntu at all [02:53] nigelb, you should probably close the bug and tell the reporter that if he uses version provided by medibuntu he should report a bug by following https://launchpad.net/medibuntu/+filebug link [02:54] i have the skype 2.1 beta installed, works fine [02:54] nigelb, if he has installed it from skype.com there isn't much we can do and he should contact them [02:54] kklimonda, yeah. I can't even change the package [02:54] * ddecator doesn't remember how he installed skype... [02:55] it wasn't ver 1.1, it was ver 2.1 that fixed the PA issues [02:55] http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/09/some_explanations.html [02:56] my boss was going nuts before it got fixed [02:56] kermiac, yah it was really bad [02:57] kklimonda: can't we just forward the bug to medibuntu? [02:57] hggdh, I tried. Don't see how [02:58] I can't change the package to skype. It was filed under totem [02:58] hggdh, I'm not sure whenever this is a medibuntu package at all as the reporter said that "None of the avaialbe versions of skype work on the toshipa satellite laptop". [02:58] idk that medibuntu has 2.1 yet [02:58] well, we dont deal with it and thats about it [02:59] seems like it [02:59] hggdh, hmm.. can we change package to skype? [02:59] very much doubt. You can try, at least [02:59] hggdh, I was under the impression that we can only change package to another package in Ubuntu distribution but now I see that there is a skype package in the Choose menu [03:00] lets see what is going to happen [03:00] nope [03:00] hggdh, so I see no way of forwarding it to Medibuntu as totem's upstream is GNOME :) [03:00] kklimonda, i have ff 3.7 show up as an option because i have it installed, but it won't let me assign a bug to that package since it isn't officially in the repos [03:00] kklimonda, I tried and failed some time [03:00] and Medibuntu isn't a distribution [03:00] eh? isn't it about skype? [03:01] hggdh, the bug was filed under totem [03:01] hggdh, sure it is - but the bug was reported using totem ;) [03:01] hggdh, is there any way you know of to fix it so you can't search for a package not in the repos? [03:02] ddecator: I do not follow you? not search for a package not in the repos? [03:03] hggdh, if i search for a package on launchpad to assign a bug to, packages i have installed through ppas (firefox-3.7 for example) show up, but we can't assign a bug to them because they're not in the official repos [03:03] oh, yes, you cannot. [03:03] yes, it seems that launchpad is using the list of all packages it knows about to populate search results :) [03:03] but they exist as projects in LP [03:04] might be a good idea to see if there is a bug already opened for this on LP, and open one if not [03:04] kklimonda, we had that issue with ppa nots being supported [03:04] err... ddecator ^^ [03:04] I see what you mean. We should be able to separate Ubuntu packages from non-ubuntu [03:05] wait [03:05] prevents confusion when assigning packages [03:05] this certainly has been reported [03:05] has it? i haven't looked yet haha, just thought about it [03:06] the PPA and no bugs has been discussed again and again [03:06] and no -dbgsym :/ [03:11] well, yes, so no apport magic. But you can still either generate dbgs, or not strip the symbols [03:12] sure [03:12] but this adds to the issues on accepting bugs for PPAs [03:13] /usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/cdunix4000/ndm/bin [03:14] sorry, bad paste [03:14] lol [03:15] perparing another weechat GIT image for the PPA... [03:16] hggdh, shutdown/restart via menu is gdm? [03:17] you mena the indicator applet session? [03:18] um, no... right corner clicking my name and clicking shutdown [03:18] bug 521122 [03:18] Launchpad bug 521122 in ubuntu "shutdown and restart button do not work (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521122 [03:18] it is a indicator-something :) [03:18] though I have doubts if he's using kde ... "konsole" ? [03:18] konsole is terminal for kde [03:19] indicator-applet-session, but I am not sure this is what the OP is talking about [03:19] or maybe not - he mentions Konsole which is KDE application [03:19] this sounds like kde [03:19] heh [03:19] I'll ask for more info.. [03:19] nigelb, mark as Incomplete and ask for Ubuntu version, DE version etc. [03:20] asking for info is always the safe route =) [03:20] (DE == Desktop Environment) [03:20] yes [03:20] kklimonda, ok :) [03:20] would lsb_release -a state if it is kde? [03:20] hggdh, not sure but I would say no [03:21] hggdh, it uses /etc/lsb-release which is provided only by lsb-release [03:21] ah well [03:22] hggdh, btw, I learned how to write an apport hook :) [03:22] good! [03:23] hggdh, though after I spent 4 hours writing one, I realized that the lucid package already had one :p [03:23] nigelb, still good practice =) [03:23] ddecator, yep. It was fun! [03:23] well, at least you learned some -- which is always good [03:23] hggdh, thinking of contributing to a few active universe packages that way.. lernid for starters [03:24] * ddecator wants to learn more about debugging and the like [03:24] good, any involvement is good -- we need it ;-) [03:24] :) [03:24] ddecator, get a source and hack through it [03:24] heh, never enough bug triagers :) [03:25] nigelb, i'm working on learning basic python first so i can understand the scripts, haha [03:25] ddecator, hehe.. I only know basic python and basic c and c++ [03:26] almost all programming languages look alike after some time [03:26] python is easy, and a good language to learn first [03:26] hggdh, you get a mail every time I report a bug in gnome? [03:26] good, i'm teaching myself, i have almost no electives at school haha [03:26] nigelb: yes, I do. I told you I would be following you [03:26] ddecator, byte of python? [03:26] hggdh, must've gotten quite a few this week [03:27] a bit, yes. Part of the game. I want to try getting you more rights in b.z.o when I feel you are good enough for it [03:27] b.g.o [03:27] hggdh, but I feel that "Ubuntu" is overly promote it - it's great language but I really hate seeing all those applets and daemons using so much ram [03:28] gwibber uses over 100MB :/ [03:28] nigelb, what now? [03:28] kklimonda: yes, but this is part of the price you pay for interpreted languages, and automaic garbage collection [03:29] and, nowadays, memory is not that expensive (although I feel back when I see a memory-hungry appl all the same) [03:29] ddecator, huh> [03:29] nigelb, what about "byte of python"? [03:29] ddecator, I asked if you were using that :) [03:30] ddecator, its a book released under gpl and the first book for newbies [03:30] kklimonda: and it is not only Ubuntu -- Gnome is also using quite a lot of python [03:30] hggdh, python for sure has a lover barrier of entry than C [03:30] yes, -- and it is waaaayyyy better than C++ [03:30] nigelb, never heard of it, haha, i'm using free MIT videos from a class that uses python to show how coding works, with the emphasis of being able to recognize all code, even if you can't program with it [03:30] ddecator, oh. thats even better..link? [03:30] hggdh, don't even start with gnome - they use JavaScript for gnome-shell.. [03:30] heh [03:31] is gnome shell coming in lucid? [03:31] nigelb, not by default [03:31] ppa? [03:31] is gnome-3 ready for prime time? [03:31] nigelb, gnome 3 is coming in lucid+1 [03:31] no [03:31] (most likely) [03:31] nigelb, some old gnome-shell is already in repos [03:31] sounds better [03:31] ddecator, ah [03:32] nigelb, http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-00Fall-2008/LectureVideos/index.htm [03:32] nigelb, but upstream haven't really released any tarballs after 2.28.0 was released [03:32] ddecator, thanks [03:32] kklimonda, aw :( [03:32] nigelb, np [03:32] nigelb, so for now the only place to get a new gnome-shell is some ppa [03:32] nigelb, but it isn't worth the effort in my opinion [03:32] +1 [03:32] kklimonda, I like me desktop clean, so I won't be using it [03:33] too unstable [03:33] if it were coming to ubuntu, I would want it to be turned off by some feature [03:33] nigelb kklimonda , yah i tried it and it freaked out haha, i had a hard time switching my DE back to the standard gnome... [03:33] that is also why didnt like kde or windows vista+ either [03:33] hggdh, unstable it is. But also I don't really feel that it is the right direction [03:34] hggdh, the basic ideas are interesting but overall look just doesn't convince me. [03:34] they'll offer an option to switch to the standard setup [03:34] (i think that's still planned...) [03:34] kklimonda: I am not sure either. But it is still evolving [03:35] And I'm not convinced that it'll be ready for gnome 2.32 [03:35] if a bug works on lucid but not on karmic = fix released? [03:35] for sure not as the default desktop [03:35] nigelb, you mean it was fixed in lucid? [03:35] i'm just worried it won't compare to compiz [03:36] nigelb, you can always check the changelogs for the lucid version and see if a fix is mentioned [03:36] I know its fixed [03:36] ddecator, sure - it won't have a cube [03:36] ddecator, but really, cube isn't what linux is all about (contrary to some people believes :) ) [03:36] kklimonda, It is not reproducible [03:36] kklimonda, i'm more concerned about grid, scale, and all of those other productivity tools [03:37] nigelb, what bug number? [03:37] kklimonda, bug 513691 [03:37] Launchpad bug 513691 in totem (Ubuntu) "Editable menu shortcut keys (Appearance > Interface) do not work as expected (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513691 [03:37] kklimonda, can you confirm it works on lucid too? [03:37] I can confirm its broken in karmic [03:38] ddecator, grid and scale are built-in into overlay [03:38] if grid and scale are the plugins I think they are [03:38] can't check right now :) [03:38] kklimonda, idk, but that'd be good news [03:38] nigelb: if it works in Lucid it is fix-released. The OP may request a SRU [03:39] hggdh, he's already given a rant. How do i reply? [03:39] nigelb, what are "editable menus"? [03:39] kklimonda, hehe, see the last comment [03:39] hggdh, the op replied about the totem editable menus [03:39] nigelb, i never knew that option was there... [03:40] hggdh, what he means was editable menu shortcuts [03:40] ddecator, me neither [03:40] well, as the Interface tab has been apparently removed the bug is fixed! ;) [03:40] kklimonda, no interface tab? :O [03:40] heh [03:41] nigelb, looks like it [03:41] wonder how pedro said works fine for me [03:41] there may be another way to get to this option [03:42] Pedro is most probably running Karmic [03:42] pedro said works fine on lucid for this bug [03:42] and the OP got mad :p [03:43] haha, pedro didn't ask him to triage it himself... [03:43] nigelb, give me a sec and I'll probably find some way to test it.. [03:43] kklimonda, sure :) [03:43] kklimonda, I'll set the bug to confirmed and you can change to fix released after you test? [03:44] nigelb: did you confirm it? [03:44] hggdh, on karmic, yes [03:44] ok, go ahead and mark it so [03:46] btw, this is the first time I've heard about "editable shortcuts" [03:47] * nigelb too [03:48] i don't see anything in the changelog mentioning a specific change... [03:48] although idk how they would word it [03:49] ddecator, you are reading totem changelog/? [03:49] ok, found it in gconf-editor [03:49] nigelb, yes, for the current lucid build [03:49] ddecator, this may not be a totem issue at all [03:50] kklimonda, that must've taken a lot of searching [03:50] nigelb, i'm not sure it is, but that's the only package i know to go on haha, but there isn't anything there [03:50] ddecator, the shortcut doesnt get reassinged [03:50] thats what happens... [03:50] nigelb, actually I had to check upstream bug about Interface tab removal to get a gconf name :) [03:50] kklimonda, ah [03:51] nigelb, works for me [03:51] kklimonda, can you set to fix released then? [03:51] nigelb, right, i'm just not sure what package would be responsible for that. it could have been totem not applying the change correctly, but like i said i don't see anything mentioning it [03:53] well this has been a good teamwork night, haha [03:54] ddecator, hehe, yes it has :) [03:54] we all learned a lot [03:54] yaay! i'm finally on the 5-a-day stats page :) [03:54] nigelb, congrats! i made it too =) [03:54] ddecator, congrats to you too. I just saw your name [03:55] except i missed a day?! o_O [03:56] later folks. I'm off to bed :) [03:56] i guess just assigning packages to bugs doesn't count? haha [03:56] cya nigelb [03:56] nigelb, done [03:56] kklimonda, thanks [03:57] ddecator, it should count if you comment I think [03:57] nigelb, but most likely it isn't going to be fixed in Karmic. I've nominated it to keep track of the fact that it is indeed broken but we don't have enough resources to fix it. [03:57] yah i didn't realize that there was a canned response for adding a package to a bug until after i did about 10 =p [03:57] ach [05:47] hey is it possible to sync a ubuntu bug with upstream bug report? [05:47] shadeslayer, usually [05:47] is there a certain bug you are looking at? [05:47] ddecator: i cant find the button :P [05:47] ddecator: yep [05:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/520978 [05:48] Launchpad bug 520978 in meta-kde (Ubuntu) "KDE-4.4 upgrade causes desktop crash (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] [05:48] ddecator: theres a link in the description and i was wondering how to link it [05:49] shadeslayer, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage and look at "Forwarding Upstream" [05:49] click on the "also affects project" button to add the upstream bug [05:49] ah ok,thanks :) [05:50] shadeslayer, i would help out with that but idk much about kde triaging [05:50] also since upstream says its resolved,i can mark it resolved at ubuntu bugs too right [05:52] depends on why they marked it resolved... [05:52] Resolution : DOWNSTREAM [05:53] let me look at it a sec [05:53] ddecator: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226263#c2 [05:53] shadeslayer: Error: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: timed out (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=226263) [05:55] hm, idk enough about kde bugs to know how that would be classified, but ubuntu bugs don't always have the same status as the upstream bugs [05:56] ok ill ask in kubuntu-devel then D [05:56] sounds good, sorry i'm not much help [05:57] ddecator: no problem [05:57] hey - anyone with karmic online? [05:58] * ddecator <- [05:58] kklimonda, need a bug confirmed? [05:58] yes [05:59] #? [05:59] ddecator, it's bug 513691 [05:59] Launchpad bug 513691 in totem (Ubuntu) "Editable menu shortcut keys (Appearance > Interface) do not work as expected (affects: 1)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/513691 [05:59] ddecator, I'm wondering whenever it's really a totem issue [06:00] ddecator, can you enable "editable menus" and check if you can change them in gedit? [06:00] ddecator, for example if you can bind Edit->Insert date and time to Ctrl+A [06:02] kklimonda, oooooh, to i see what you mean. one sec [06:02] -to [06:04] to set it, i just hover over the option and press a key combination? [06:04] yes [06:04] odd way of doing it... [06:05] does nothing [06:05] so it's not totem [06:06] yeah.. I've changed it to ctrl+z instead of ctrl+s and it worked but now I've played some more with it and changing it to the shortcut that is already bound to another action doesn't really work [06:06] visually it changes but old action is triggered [06:06] really weird and not related to totem :/ [06:06] but i have no idea what it would be related to... [06:06] * shadeslayer goes on triaging spree [06:06] let me check something [06:07] shadeslayer, are you a member or bugsquad? [06:07] ddecator: just a launchpad user.... vying to be a member :P [06:07] shadeslayer, have you checked out the wikis on how to triage and everything? [06:07] ddecator: yep [06:08] ddecator: although i forgot how to link the upstream bugs :P [06:08] and the wiki is just so huge.... :D [06:09] shadeslayer, it's all information triagers need to know though [06:09] kklimonda, it doesn't look like it is added to the keyboard shortcuts program [06:10] ddecator: yeah,im just starting out with small bugs... stuff like packages do not install,and small crashes that ive experienced and know how to resolve [06:10] shadeslayer, ok, just don't start assigning bugs to people or anything, we've had enough people doing that the past week, haha [06:11] ddecator: lol... nope,wont be doing that,just marking them as incomplete or invalid,i leave them if i cant figure something out [06:11] ddecator: and i bet that was due to the developer week we had recently... [06:11] ddecator, not sure if it should be added there [06:11] shadeslayer, as long as you're only marking bugs invalid if you know for sure that they should be [06:12] ddecator: yeah of course... [06:12] kklimonda, idk either, but i thought i would look to see if it created a "custom" menu or something showing what shortcuts have been set in programs by the user (which would just be too convenient) [06:12] shadeslayer, sounds good [06:12] shadeslayer, let us know if you have any questions [06:13] shadeslayer, i also recommend looking into the mentoring program, even though it will probably take awhile to get assigned one, haha [06:13] ddecator: for eg. there was a bug about flash plugin not installing correctly,had a look at the dpkg log and it said the download timed out... left a comment explaining the problem and marked it as invalid [06:14] shadeslayer, fair enough [06:14] ddecator: the report also said installing it again worked.... so i dont see any problem [06:14] * ddecator has seen a lot of "bugs" caused by the download servers not cooperating [06:15] shadeslayer, nope, especially if they said they got it to work. i'm just being cautious because of the trouble we've been having, haha [06:15] ddecator: hehe... well ill be sure to confirm anything i cant figure out :) [06:16] shadeslayer, assuming you can successfully reproduce it on your machine ;) [06:16] ddecator: of course! [06:18] kklimonda, any ideas leads on possible packages? [06:19] i can't type... [06:19] ideas/leads [06:20] ddecator, wrt 513691? [06:20] kklimonda, yes [06:21] ddecator, I have no idea. it may be a bug in both totem and gedit [06:21] kklimonda, well i guess it's just time for me to do some more testing =) [06:21] I've tried reproducing it with gnome-terminal and disk usage analizer [06:22] but as it doesn't happen with every key combination it's kinda hard to do it [06:22] try to keep track of what combinations do and don't cause it, we may find a connection [06:23] for example Ctrl+L in totem can be rebound just fine [06:23] I should probably dig into totem source [06:23] well, like you said, it may be an issue of using combinations that already have a function [06:24] no - Ctrl+L is bound to "Open Location" so that's not it [06:24] nvm [06:24] that's what makes it weird [06:26] i'm having no problems with terminal [06:27] you're right though, Ctrl+A won't insert the date with gedit, but Ctrl+T will... [06:27] hmm [06:27] but i used Ctrl+A in terminal with no trouble [06:27]