| didrocks | time to go to bed, have a good week-end :) | 00:23 |
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| bryceh | cya didrocks | 00:26 |
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| didrocks | RAOF: btw, I'm thinking about the --as-needed patch we often add to packages, do you know why it's not part of GNOME autogen.sh when generating ltmain.sh.? | 10:41 |
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| asac | !test | 15:23 |
| ubottu | hrm? | 15:23 |
| asac | thanks for confirming that i am still here | 15:23 |
| asac_ | yay another reconnect | 15:28 |
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| * asac goes for tea time rather than wasting time fiddling with router and /reconnect | 15:29 | |
| LaserJock | any UNE people around? | 16:00 |
| geser | is it about the mandatory settings? | 16:02 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I'm there :) | 16:03 |
| LaserJock | geser: yes | 16:04 |
| LaserJock | I was wondering what the "plan" was with that | 16:04 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: there are some keys which are mandatories and others that are default now | 16:04 |
| LaserJock | my panel looks terrible but I figured there must be some master plan | 16:05 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: terrible? | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 16:05 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: how? can you be a little bit more precise, please? | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | things are out of place | 16:05 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: can you post a screenshot? | 16:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah, one sec | 16:06 |
| LaserJock | basically, it's impossible to add applets from within UNE | 16:06 |
| didrocks | right | 16:06 |
| LaserJock | so I went in to regular GNOME and added them | 16:06 |
| LaserJock | and when I went back in to UNE things were a bit messed up | 16:06 |
| didrocks | hum, normally you can't add new applets in UNE and those are default | 16:06 |
| didrocks | adding into the GNOME session shouldn't add them to UNE | 16:07 |
| LaserJock | well, I didn't get new ones in UNE (bad) and my existing ones got re-arranged | 16:08 |
| LaserJock | one sec on the screenie | 16:08 |
| didrocks | that shouldn't happen, strange :) | 16:08 |
| didrocks | and yes, you shouldn't get new one in UNE, this is by design and tech limitation | 16:08 |
| didrocks | (because of providing the new capability to run both GNOME and UNE in the same machine) | 16:09 |
| LaserJock | http://laserjock.us/Screenshot-1.png | 16:10 |
| LaserJock | but why are the applets mandatory? wouldn't default be better? | 16:10 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: as told just before, that internal to gconf settings if you want both UNE and GNOME session | 16:10 |
| didrocks | so ok, the calendar isn't in the right place | 16:11 |
| didrocks | (time applet) | 16:11 |
| didrocks | that can be fixed | 16:11 |
| LaserJock | at first I didn't have any time applet | 16:12 |
| didrocks | right, this is an issue I have to fix | 16:12 |
| didrocks | gconf bug about mandatory settings :) | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | I was trying to add the time applet, tomboy, and system monitor | 16:12 |
| didrocks | (this is to share the same applet) | 16:12 |
| didrocks | normally, you won't be able to edit the panel, just your GNOME one, but not in UNE | 16:12 |
| LaserJock | that's ... strange | 16:13 |
| didrocks | this is less than optimal, I agree, but it involve heavily patching in gconf (too much for an LTS) | 16:13 |
| didrocks | so, if you know a better way, without messing up user config, I'm open to any suggestion | 16:13 |
| LaserJock | why not do it in the user config? | 16:13 |
| didrocks | because if a user change something in the GNOME session in the panel and the value aren't mandatory in UNE | 16:14 |
| LaserJock | well, but you can do the same thing | 16:14 |
| LaserJock | but let it be user-editable | 16:14 |
| didrocks | tell me how to do it | 16:14 |
| LaserJock | throw a GUI in front of the mandatory bits for UNE | 16:14 |
| didrocks | or let me finish my explanation :) | 16:14 |
| didrocks | because if a user change something in the GNOME session in the panel and the value aren't mandatory in UNE, you get that: | 16:15 |
| didrocks | - GNOME session panel will be drawn | 16:15 |
| didrocks | - no home switcher applet | 16:15 |
| didrocks | - no "personal taskbar in UNE" | 16:15 |
| didrocks | this is related to gconf internals, you can't say "but those are default for UNE, discaring user configuration" | 16:16 |
| didrocks | or having one gconf user configuration in GNOME session and another one for UNE | 16:16 |
| LaserJock | ok, so throw the UNE gconf keys in /var and make then editable | 16:17 |
| LaserJock | ? | 16:17 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: that's what is already been done | 16:17 |
| didrocks | but again | 16:17 |
| didrocks | the user gconf configuration is in ~/.gconfd | 16:17 |
| didrocks | if you change something in a panel, the _whole_ default is then ignoreed | 16:17 |
| didrocks | and so you impact the UNE and the GNOME session conf | 16:17 |
| didrocks | got back the two panels, and so on… | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | right, I'm saying keep them mandatory and all, what you've got now | 16:18 |
| didrocks | is that clear? | 16:18 |
| didrocks | right | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | but just provide a way for people to edit them | 16:18 |
| LaserJock | so that we can add applets | 16:18 |
| didrocks | hum, that would be complicating an FF is closed | 16:18 |
| didrocks | that means rewrite a new 'add applet' | 16:19 |
| LaserJock | right, but as it is now UNE has just become usless for anybody who wants to add a single applet | 16:19 |
| didrocks | if you want to do that, do not hesitate :) | 16:19 |
| didrocks | it was hardly doable in the last version too (just a little empty space) | 16:20 |
| LaserJock | this is a rather noticable regression and in an LTS release :( | 16:20 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: do you want to work on that? honestly, I won't have the time | 16:20 |
| didrocks | but I agree that this is less than ideal | 16:21 |
| LaserJock | no, I honestly just want to not have regressions in LTS releases | 16:21 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: if nobody wants to work on that… :( | 16:21 |
| LaserJock | the seperation of GNOME from UNE sessions shouldn't have been done then | 16:21 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: this was hardly asked by users | 16:21 |
| LaserJock | if nobody is willing to do it all the way, including patch up regressions, it shouldn't have been done in the first place | 16:22 |
| didrocks | and that's why there was a session at UDS | 16:22 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: people who really wanted to add panels can still edit files in /usr/share/gconf/une/mandatory | 16:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 16:23 |
| LaserJock | my choices are to either abandon UNE (sucks) or provide my own ubuntu-netbook-default-settings package (sucks slightly less) | 16:23 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: can you log a bug on the time issue please? I'll fix it next week | 16:23 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: how would you fix not having the two panels? that's what I'm interested in | 16:24 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: you know, I had a look for more than one week on that issue, so I think I know the internals | 16:24 |
| LaserJock | don't do the split until you know you can do it right, simple as that | 16:24 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: that's not constructive | 16:25 |
| LaserJock | why? | 16:25 |
| LaserJock | it should be common sense | 16:25 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: because having a gnome session was more asked that the "I can't change my panel" (what karmic's panel didn't allow you as well as there were a small space to add a new applet) | 16:26 |
| LaserJock | but the behavior was the same as any normal gnome session | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | move applet then add | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | but now you can't do that | 16:27 |
| LaserJock | and having changes in GNOME affect UNE was unlikely to be much of an issue with people | 16:28 |
| LaserJock | they aren't likely to switch between the two regularly | 16:28 |
| LaserJock | so for seemingly minimal gain, the is a pretty significant cost | 16:28 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: let me rephrase, if you add/move any applet in GNOME panel and keys are default (not mandatory) in UNE, you got the two panels in UNE as well | 16:28 |
| didrocks | or if you change any in UNE as well, you crash your gnome setting | 16:29 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I'm thinking of a way, maybe, is to change XDG dir for gnome-panel only | 16:29 |
| LaserJock | that's not great | 16:29 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: right, that's why I put them as mandatory | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | ok, I really gotta run | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | I understand the problem | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | I still think LTS is a bad time for this, but whatever | 16:30 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: if you want to discuss about that later, I'm trying to figure out of how to do it right | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | I'll file bugs when I get back from errands | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | well, you might look at sabayon | 16:30 |
| LaserJock | or XDG seems sort of reasonable | 16:31 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: I just hope you can at least understand it's not an easy thing to deal with :) | 16:31 |
| LaserJock | of course | 16:31 |
| didrocks | I know and maintained sabayon | 16:31 |
| LaserJock | I've dealt with similar issues before | 16:31 |
| didrocks | LaserJock: let discuss about that later, right? | 16:31 |
| didrocks | I may have an idea | 16:31 |
| LaserJock | I think a simple GUI to edit the manditory keys would maybe work | 16:31 |
| didrocks | (the XDG thing, but should be discuss) | 16:31 |
| LaserJock | ok, talk to you later | 16:31 |
| didrocks | ttyl | 16:31 |
| chrisccoulson | working today didrocks? | 16:43 |
| baptistemm | someone to help me debugging a build issue for bluez | 18:40 |
| baptistemm | asac, around ? (as this is related to bluez) | 18:45 |
| baptistemm | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39149642/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.bluez_4.61-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 18:50 |
| baptistemm | hey chrisccoulson | 20:18 |
| chrisccoulson | hey baptistemm | 20:18 |
| baptistemm | have you some minutes for me? | 20:18 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 20:18 |
| baptistemm | fine, trying to package latest bluez | 20:18 |
| chrisccoulson | i have a few minutes, possibly ;) | 20:18 |
| baptistemm | My wife and my son are away for a week | 20:18 |
| baptistemm | :) | 20:18 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, enjoying the quiet? ;) | 20:18 |
| baptistemm | being a little sad when my son left | 20:19 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i can imagine | 20:19 |
| baptistemm | but I'm quite happy to have the quiet yeah ;) | 20:19 |
| baptistemm | back to bluez, the latest version has a symbols which was renamed, and so, the build fails | 20:20 |
| baptistemm | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39149642/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.bluez_4.61-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 20:20 |
| chrisccoulson | you want to know how to resolve that? | 20:21 |
| baptistemm | I added the new symbols, but I don"t what to do with the missing one | 20:21 |
| baptistemm | should I bump the soname | 20:22 |
| baptistemm | ? | 20:22 |
| baptistemm | yeah | 20:22 |
| chrisccoulson | the soname should have been bumped upstream - that's not something we should do at a distro level | 20:22 |
| chrisccoulson | did they not bump the soname? | 20:22 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, so no soname change then | 20:27 |
| chrisccoulson | that would need reporting upstream really | 20:27 |
| baptistemm | hmm, I don't know how bluez define soname | 20:29 |
| baptistemm | I asked on #bluez earlier but noone was there to answer | 20:30 |
| chrisccoulson | baptistemm, the soname is defined in Makefile.am (lib_libbluetooth_la_LDFLAGS = -version-info 8:0:5) | 20:30 |
| chrisccoulson | we should avoid uploading this though until that issue is resolved, as there might be other things using that symbol | 20:31 |
| chrisccoulson | libbluetooth3 has a lot of rdepends | 20:32 |
| baptistemm | yep | 20:32 |
| james_w | hey chrisccoulson | 20:32 |
| james_w | hi baptistemm | 20:32 |
| baptistemm | at least the previous one (4.60) was never been uploaded, in the mean time this one doesn't break something | 20:32 |
| baptistemm | hi james_w | 20:32 |
| chrisccoulson | hey james_w, how are you? | 20:32 |
| james_w | good thanks, how about you? | 20:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not too bad, thanks | 20:33 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: did you have a chance to look at gnome-desktop again? | 20:35 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - not yet, unfortunately. i can try and look at that this evening though | 20:35 |
| james_w | no rush | 20:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i need to have a look really for a crasher anyway | 20:36 |
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