[00:49] <gregcoit> hi all.  if I want to branch just a part of a trunk, is that possible?
[03:06] <MTecknology> KangOl: ({)
[03:15] <MTecknology> KangOl: wrong person - orry
[03:45] <magcius> If I register a VCS import to mirror, is there a way to use bzr to push back upstream?
[03:45] <magcius> Because otherwise VCS imports seem kind of useless
[03:46] <MTecknology> magcius: they're primarily used so you can pull the branch and deal with it using bzr; upstream accepts patches in whatever way they feel appropriate
[03:46] <magcius> eek
[03:47] <MTecknology> magcius: the thing I like about vcs imports is that it doesn't matter what version control system they use (it matters some due to limitations right now), you just do bzr pull and you have latest
[03:47] <MTecknology> cvs, svn, or git
[03:47] <magcius> MTecknology, yeah, well I primarily use git.
[03:48] <MTecknology> magcius: if you like git and you're working close with upstream, you may as well jsut pull their git branch
[03:48] <MTecknology> use git to interact unless you really hate git
[03:48] <magcius> MTecknology, no, I'm trying to use a third-party project that uses SVN.
[03:48] <magcius> And they have a bzr mirror on Launchpad
[03:48] <MTecknology> svn isn't too bad
[03:48] <magcius> I can't stand it.
[03:49] <magcius> I try to merge, it tries to compute and talk with the server for 35-40 minutes before it fails.
[03:49] <MTecknology> ya, a merge in bzr, you can generate a diff to send upstream
[03:49] <MTecknology> bzr diff > patch.diff
[03:50] <MTecknology> doesn't matter what they use, diff is universal :)
[03:50] <wgrant> magcius: If it's a new Subversion import, you can push back to svn.
[03:51] <persia> Well, not really, but patch understands just about all the formats.
[03:51] <magcius> wgrant, from bzr?
[03:51] <wgrant> magcius: Yes.
[03:51] <magcius> wgrant, nice nice.
[03:51] <magcius> wgrant, what username will it try to use?
[03:51] <wgrant> magcius: You will tell it.
[03:51] <magcius> wgrant, alright
[04:28] <micahg> what are the grounds for banning an abusive user?
[04:29] <wgrant> I'm not sure that there are strict well-defined guidelines.
[04:30]  * micahg has a user making unprovoked  personal attacks in bugs
[04:30] <wgrant> That probably counts, if they've been warned.
[04:31] <micahg> idk if the user has been warned, this happened this evening
[04:31] <micahg> I posted a link to the CoC in 3 bugs as the user's tone was not in line with the Coc
[05:47] <persia> Somehow attaching a patch ended up happening *twice* for bug #519427.  I'm having huge latency issues with my browser right now, but I wouldn't have expected this behaviour.
[05:48] <persia> Is this likely to be a bug, or just me having browser issues?
[05:50] <wgrant> They were added almost a minute apart, and with different input, so it's probably an issue on your end.
[06:08] <crimsun> OOPS-1506EA140
[06:09] <crimsun> (retry was successful)
[09:53] <sebner> wgrant: dpkg is now fixed. What needs to be done until the build machines are fixed too?
[10:07] <wgrant> sebner: cjwatson (or similar) need to backport that dpkg (or patch) to hardy-cat.
[11:59] <Halabund> When translating using Launchpad, are there any tricks for finding pieces of strings more easily?  E.g. I see something in the UI, how can I find it, apart from explicit search using the top right search box?  Is there perhaps a way to restrict the search to certain source files?
[12:01] <Halabund> Or perhaps is there a case sensitive search?
[12:43] <KangOl> bazaar.launchpad.net give me a "Internal Server Error" :/
[12:44] <reza> Hi, I have a .po of elgg software file. I want to upload it, Where can I upload that ?
[13:51] <Halabund> It would be helpful to be able to see not just one, but several other languages while translating.
[13:59] <rioch> I'm ready to make a release for my project. The code in my trunk (and only) branch is up to date. I have some questions. What do I do now? Do I select 'create release from milestone'? What does that do? Do I need to upload files directly (e.g. a source dist) or does that happen automatically?
[14:27] <rioch> is anyone around?
[14:28] <rioch> I want to create a new series, but am not sure what branch to use.
[14:42] <rioch> Should each series have it's own branch? Please help.
[14:42] <thrashold> How do you anonymously checkout something from a launchpad bzr repo?
[14:43] <rioch> thrashold: bzr branch lp:<name of branch>
[14:43] <rioch> thrashold: the trunk is the same name as the project name
[14:43] <rioch> e.g. bzr branch lp:pumped (my project)
[14:43] <thrashold> Oh, the notice that I wasn't logged in wasn't an error, I see.
[14:44] <thrashold> Thanks
[16:07] <RenatoSilva> Can anyone please remove the automatic branch linking when the branch is trunk?
[16:07] <RenatoSilva> if a bug has no branch linked, that means it was fixed in trunk
[16:08] <RenatoSilva> or that you should add the separate branch in the bug
[16:12] <maxb> By 'trunk' you mean the development focus?
[16:15] <maxb> I don't think that should happen. If a bug has no branch linked, it may not have a fix in launchpad at all
[16:37] <askhl_> I can't use 'apt-get source' to get the source from my PPA.  Is there anything I can do to make this possible?
[16:38] <andrea-bs> askhl_: have you added the "deb-src" line to your sources.list?
[16:38] <askhl_> andrea-bs, maybe I haven't!  Let me check
[16:39] <askhl_> Ah, that *is* obviously the problem.  Thank you andrea-bs
[16:58] <RenatoSilva> maxb: if a bug has no branch linked, it's implicit that it was fixed in trunk
[16:58] <RenatoSilva> maxb: you don't tell a bug has a fix by linking branches, but by setting the status as FixCommitted
[17:52] <RenatoSilva> well the suggestion was made
[17:52] <RenatoSilva> thanks all
[18:08] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:08] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[18:32] <_Groo_> dput is still broken? i cant upload anything to ppa, ence i can contribute with new packages :( in this case, kx11grab and skrooge
[18:32] <_Groo_> a 65k package cant even complete, total fail :P
[19:09] <maxb> groo_: No, dput is not broken.
[19:10] <magcius> Is a hosted wiki feature in the works for 4.0?
[19:11] <maxb> It's oft talked about but I've not heard anything about it being actually planned. But, you're unlikely to find anyone official around on a weekend to ask for certain.
[19:12] <groo_> maxb: i cant upload anything since launchpad was forced to delete a lot of stuff.. the upload ratio went to a crawl since..
[19:13] <groo_> maxb: like 0.5kb/sec
[20:05] <groo_> anyone responsible for the ppa.launchpad.net network around here? im having bottleneck problems
[20:12] <thumper> groo_: ask a question on the soyuz project
[20:12] <thumper> groo_: the soyuz guys are all in european time
[20:17] <groo_> thumper: what channel is the soyuz
[20:17] <magcius> groo_, ask on Launchpad Answers
[20:17] <thumper> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion
[20:18] <thumper> groo_: ^^
[20:24] <groo_> thumper: thanks
[20:27] <groo_> thumper: can i manually upload to ppa using ncftp?
[20:27] <thumper> groo_: I have absolutely no idea
[20:27] <groo_> thumper: or make dput use other ftp client
[20:28] <groo_> thumper: ok thanks
[20:29] <persia> manual uploads should work just fine, although it will require significantly greater attention to detail than usual.  upload the .changes file *LAST*.
[21:32] <Lord-Readman> Mez, you here?
[21:32] <Lord-Readman> this is urgent
[21:33] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: is it something anyone else can help you with?
[21:33] <Lord-Readman> immediate removal of a certain translator from our team
[21:34] <Lord-Readman> https://launchpad.net/~tomasz-chabowski-googlemail/
[21:34] <Lord-Readman> from English (United Kingdom)
[21:34] <Lord-Readman> he is suggesting and approving american english spellings
[21:34] <Lord-Readman> I have just spent the last 30mins cleaning up wrong translations
[21:34] <Lord-Readman> and hes just on a role of making more errors
[21:35] <Lord-Readman> I sent examples to mez using launchpad contact
[21:35] <Lord-Readman> translating color as color instead of colour, and memorize as memorize instead of memorise
[21:36] <MTecknology> it's 21:35 in Mez tim; it's possible he took off for the night
[21:37] <Lord-Readman> hopefully not
[21:37] <poolie> spm: can you help with this ^^
[21:37] <Lord-Readman> as this user is wreaking more by the second
[21:37] <MTecknology> I'm noticing that the UK Translators team is open
[21:37] <Lord-Readman> MTecknology, do you have any control to temp block the user
[21:37] <MTecknology> no
[21:38] <Lord-Readman> I may as well quit then, no point myself spending hours of effort on something for anyone to just come in and wreak it.
[21:39] <MTecknology> just use patience
[21:39] <Lord-Readman> but he has done over 200 translations already
[21:39] <MTecknology> if they can freely join and approve bad translations, then there's a problem...
[21:39] <Lord-Readman> just copy paste
[21:39] <Lord-Readman> all wrong
[21:40] <Lord-Readman> is there a way to see exactly what a user has done
[21:40] <Lord-Readman> so this can be cleared up
[21:40] <MTecknology> poolie: are you familiar with translations?
[21:40] <poolie> not very
[21:41] <poolie> i just know spm can do emergency operations like that
[21:41] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: I think you should be able to grab all current translations, then keep that around
[21:43] <Lord-Readman> is spm around?
[21:43] <MTecknology> no
[21:43] <MTecknology> There's also ianto that you could talk to but they're not around either
[21:45] <Lord-Readman> Well i sent a message to the guy telling him to stop
[21:45] <Lord-Readman> and he is still at it
[21:45] <maxb> mwhudson: are there any losas around at this time?
[21:45] <Lord-Readman> it will take days to fix
[21:45] <mwhudson> maxb: no :(
[21:46] <mwhudson> Lord-Readman: i have the vague idea that it is possible to remove translations by a particular user
[21:46] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: the problem here is that ~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb should be a moderated team
[21:46] <Lord-Readman> it was when I joined
[21:46] <Lord-Readman> need mez quickly
[21:47] <Lord-Readman> mwhudson, I really hope so
[21:50] <Lord-Readman> so who are the admins I need to see about fixing this?
[21:53] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: either Mez or ianto should make the team moderated, remove the user from the team, then go to answers.launchpad.net/launchpad and request any translations by that user be removed
[21:53] <Lord-Readman> I am doing it manually now
[21:53] <Lord-Readman> he seems to have paused
[21:54] <MTecknology> I sent him a message earlier
[21:54] <MTecknology> it's most likely just a user that thought they were doing good
[21:54] <thumper> Lord-Readman, MTecknology: spm should be online shortly I think
[21:55] <thumper> MTecknology: I agree, most mistakes are not malicious
[21:57] <Lord-Readman> nope, I but there are ALOT, and it is clear he has no understanding of British English
[21:57] <Lord-Readman> center to centre, gray to grey, color to colour
[21:57] <Lord-Readman> and is just causing harm and NO good
[21:57] <Lord-Readman> which is not the Ubuntu spirit
[21:58] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: nah - the ubuntu spirit is humanity toward others; accidentally causing problems happens
[21:58] <Lord-Readman> we'll now I can't go to bed
[21:58] <Lord-Readman> as he has started translating again
[21:59] <Lord-Readman> and can copy paste faster than I can read
[21:59] <thumper> Lord-Readman: which user?
[21:59] <jpds> spm: https://launchpad.net/~tomasz-chabowski-googlemail/
[21:59] <Lord-Readman> https://translations.launchpad.net/~tomasz-chabowski-googlemail/
[21:59] <jpds> Err, thumper ^--.
[22:00] <Lord-Readman> I am on the +activity cleaning up the many mistakes
[22:01] <lifeless> thumper: CHR can disable
[22:01] <lifeless> thumper: e.g. you
[22:01] <thumper> lifeless: do you know how? cause I don't
[22:01] <lifeless> thumper: look at their account page ;)
[22:02] <lifeless> Lord-Readman: uhm colour is received english
[22:02] <MTecknology> no, the servers
[22:02] <thumper> oh yeah
[22:02] <MTecknology> *wrong chan
[22:03] <thumper> Lord-Readman: user suspended
[22:03] <Lord-Readman> great
[22:03] <Lord-Readman> I will fix it all unless someone can just remove all his translations
[22:03] <thumper> I can't do anything with translations, perhaps spm can
[22:04] <thumper> Lord-Readman: perhaps ask a question on the rosetta project
[22:04] <thumper> Lord-Readman: that way it can be tracked
[22:04] <lifeless> Lord-Readman: I don't understand why changing color to colour is bad
[22:04] <lifeless> for en-gb
[22:04] <Lord-Readman> no lifeless
[22:04] <lifeless> it would certainly be appropriate for en-au
[22:04] <Lord-Readman> he did color and copied it to color
[22:04] <Lord-Readman> NOT changing it to colour
[22:04] <lifeless> oh
[22:05] <Lord-Readman> he didnt change anything
[22:05] <thumper> hmm..
[22:05] <lifeless> yes thats bad ;)
[22:05] <Lord-Readman> just copy pasted
[22:05] <Lord-Readman> he left center as center instead of changing it to centre
[22:05] <Lord-Readman> etc
[22:05] <lifeless> are his translations being marked fuzzy ?
[22:05] <lifeless> perhaps one thing that could be done is a 'mark fuzzy' update to the db - but ask a question on rosetta for sure.
[22:06] <Lord-Readman> just remove them all and politely tell him we can translate our own language and he can freely translate English to Polish by all means
[22:13] <Lord-Readman> so who removed him and what shall I now tell mez?
[22:13] <Lord-Readman> to lock the team again?
[22:13] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: Mez can catch up on the backlog here and he'll know what to do
[22:14] <Lord-Readman> Well I have around 200 more translations he made to check
[22:14] <Lord-Readman> then its all sorted
[22:15] <thumper> Lord-Readman: I suspended his launchpad account
[22:16] <thumper> Lord-Readman: you should tell Mez to remove him from the team (probably needs to have his account reactivated)
[22:16] <MTecknology> thumper: at least they only joined one team and were only involved in one activity
[22:16] <thumper> Lord-Readman: we can probably get a losa to do all that
[22:16] <thumper> Lord-Readman: perhaps you should consider making the translation team restricted?
[22:17] <thumper> Lord-Readman: and have more than one admin for the team to allow others to act as well
[22:17] <Lord-Readman> I do not have the authority to do so
[22:17] <thumper> Lord-Readman: well, tell mez to do so
[22:17] <Lord-Readman> well if mez would like me to help out I certainly would
[22:18] <MTecknology> The other admin of the team is ianto
[22:25] <Lord-Readman> All fixed
[22:25] <Lord-Readman> thats an hour and a half I could have spent doing translations myself
[22:25] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: just need to relax :)
[22:26] <MTecknology> things happen, they were most likely trying to help but didn't know what they were doing
[22:28] <Lord-Readman> I suppose, I sent a PM to mez saying that if I can be a moderator to help him out I gladly will.
[22:28] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: I do wish they responded to my request so we could handle it without admin intervention in here
[22:30] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: btw - this may be a nice read for you - http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml
[22:30] <Lord-Readman> I know, it wastes everyone's time, I apologise for the combined time wasted by the user, but many thanks for getting it resolved.
[22:30] <Lord-Readman> I will take a read
[22:32] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: also, you should look into doing a few extra things and try out becomming an ubuntu member
[22:35] <Lord-Readman> Someone showed me Ubuntu, I now use ubuntu, I show others ubuntu, and reading things like "dialog box" instead of "dialogue box" (enUS instead of enGB) annoyed me, So i wanted to help out, thus have done over 40k strings so far and Lucid only has 30k to go. (easily doable before the release)
[22:36] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: that's awesome
[22:37] <Lord-Readman> If I can help out in other areas I would, but I am not a programmer, translating into enGB is the one big thing I can do at the moment
[22:37] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: btw - April 14th - last to do translations
[22:37] <Lord-Readman> 1000 aday is no problem
[22:37] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: on April 15th the last import for Lucid will take place
[22:38] <Lord-Readman> I plan on seeing it 99-100% done on the 15th of March
[22:38] <MTecknology> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[22:39] <MTecknology> You should apply for ubuntu membership after this release
[22:39] <Lord-Readman> What are the benefits of Ubuntu membership?
[22:40] <MTecknology> ubottu: membership
[22:40] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: that page, then follow the last link
[22:40] <MTecknology> there's a section "Benefits of Membership"
[22:42] <Lord-Readman> I will maybe look into that, but after I have got my language translated, that more important
[22:42] <Lord-Readman> I think I will try get it all done by beta1
[22:42] <Lord-Readman> as others are doing them aswell
[22:42] <MTecknology> that's a lot of translations - would be impressive
[22:43] <MTecknology> I need to run out to a site to fix a router that's down....
[22:43] <MTecknology> ttyl
[22:43] <MTecknology> good luck
[22:44] <MTecknology> Lord-Readman: just need to remember- the spirit of ubuntu- friendly, helpful, welcoming, foregiving
[22:54] <wgrant> persia: The order of upload shouldn't actually matter to Soyuz.
[23:02] <persia> wgrant: Really?  I thought it periodically scanned and sent failure if it found a .changes file with unsatisfied dependencies.
[23:06] <wgrant> persia: No. That's how traditional systems do it, but Soyuz transparently creates a new directory for each upload and moves it into the search path only when the upload session terminates.
[23:09] <persia> wgrant: So in the case where uploads are breaking repeatedly, it's not actually possible to use some arbitrary resuming ftp-client to push stuff?
[23:09] <lifeless> persia: no
[23:10] <persia> Oh well.
[23:12] <geser> wgrant: do you know by chance if gina (?, the script that updates the LP Debian "mirror") has currently any issues?
[23:15] <poolie> heh, trying to revoke any oauth keys give 'permission denied'
[23:16] <geser> poolie: known bug
[23:16] <poolie> yep, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/511567
[23:25] <wgrant> persia: It all has to be in the one FTP connection.
[23:25] <wgrant> geser: Any particular packages?
[23:25] <wgrant> Some will be failing due to bugs in the currently installed version of dpkg, but it shouldn't be many.
[23:25] <geser> wgrant: clxclient
[23:26] <geser> wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/clxclient lists 3.6.1-1 while the PTS page for it lists 3.6.1-1.1 uploaded on 2010-02-05
[23:27] <geser> it's also a v1 package
[23:28] <wgrant> I can't see any reason that it would be failing, and it's a package-specific failure.
[23:28] <wgrant> So it'll need somebody with log access.
[23:29] <geser> ok, thanks anyway