| tonyyarusso | Someone tell mr_steve that I'm pretty sure there is a way to do repeating events with the drupal module, but I haven't set it up yet. | 01:49 |
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| _diablo | kk | 01:56 |
| mr_steve | Grr my freshly re-incarnated "server" just had a random reboot. I am just not winning with this pile of hand-me-down hardware | 02:07 |
| tonyyarusso | Someone tell mr_steve that I'm pretty sure there is a way to do repeating events with the drupal module, but I haven't set it up yet. | 02:11 |
| kermit | mr_steve: what he said | 02:11 |
| mr_steve | tonyyarusso, k, I'll let him know | 02:12 |
| tonyyarusso | :) | 02:12 |
| * tonyyarusso just reposted the same as earlier | 02:12 | |
| kermit | this network has a memoserv | 02:12 |
| mr_steve | Must have been the window of time between my server falling over and me remembering to start ZNC again | 02:13 |
| mr_steve | Anywho I've got no real problem just updating the date on the event every time for now | 02:14 |
| mr_steve | I've started putting my ubuntu hour info in there, unpublished for now, with location TBD | 02:15 |
| * _diablo goes to check on mr_steve's event | 02:17 | |
| mr_steve | That reminds me, I didn't actually see any way to view the events from the home page. Still work-in-progress? | 02:20 |
| tonyyarusso | yup | 02:20 |
| tonyyarusso | Geez, Canada is destroying Slovakia in women's hockey... | 02:21 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i havent seen any of the hockey games | 02:38 |
| * Alpha_Cluster cannot login :( | 02:38 | |
| _diablo | Alpha_Cluster, that's not good. why not? | 02:41 |
| Alpha_Cluster | cause i am in a small town and the cable provider out here has never actually made me create an online acocunt for stuff | 02:41 |
| Alpha_Cluster | so i still cannto get in :( | 02:42 |
| * Alpha_Cluster wants to watch more then the televised stuff... | 02:42 | |
| _diablo | ah, I gotcha | 02:42 |
| Alpha_Cluster | actually the biggest thing is i want to watch the 3rd part of the opening ceremony but they put up their block on the ceremony videos sometime this afternoon >.< stupid NBC | 02:43 |
| tonyyarusso | Alpha_Cluster: it's on CNBC, so I can't watch it either - I'm just watching the score updates online. | 02:45 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ahh | 02:45 |
| Alpha_Cluster | tonyyarusso: cant login either? or do you not have cable? | 02:45 |
| tonyyarusso | Alpha_Cluster: we have cheap cable. You're cable package has to include CNBC, and if ours did I'd just watch it on TV. | 02:46 |
| Alpha_Cluster | really that is so stupid | 02:46 |
| Alpha_Cluster | can you watch it afterwords at least/ | 02:46 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ? | 02:46 |
| tonyyarusso | Not the whole thing - highlights yes. | 02:47 |
| tonyyarusso | just the stuff everyone can get | 02:47 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ok i vote we start a patition | 02:47 |
| Takyoji | petition* | 03:55 |
| Takyoji | I have to admit, it's quite pathetic: I have a Wii, and they have a web browser on it (which is Opera), and the thing is that you can't view video nor listen to any form of audio unless if it's embedded through Flash and it's accomodating formats.. | 04:02 |
| Takyoji | So for anything that's not a picture or HTML, you're FORCED to use Flash. | 04:03 |
| Alpha_Cluster | flash is udder crap | 04:06 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i hope steve jobs campaign to kill it works lol | 04:06 |
| Takyoji | I'm deeply anticipating Theora and Canvas | 04:06 |
| Takyoji | It's a bit annoying that Google is resilient against Theora | 04:07 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah doesnt help with Microsoft pushing so hard agains it | 04:07 |
| Takyoji | their own web browser doesn't even support their own HTML5 player to my awareness; last I checked | 04:07 |
| tonyyarusso | Correct | 04:07 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ? | 04:08 |
| Alpha_Cluster | chome works on youtubes html5 page i thought... | 04:08 |
| Takyoji | Google Chrome | 04:08 |
| * Alpha_Cluster has always used safari though | 04:08 | |
| Alpha_Cluster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video | 04:09 |
| Takyoji | Does Android have a Flash implementation? | 04:09 |
| Alpha_Cluster | chrome supports it actaully | 04:09 |
| Alpha_Cluster | theora i mean | 04:09 |
| Alpha_Cluster | and no flash is not on andriod | 04:09 |
| Takyoji | as I figured | 04:09 |
| Alpha_Cluster | maybe Mobile Wporld announcement?> | 04:10 |
| Takyoji | People need to honestly KILL Flash | 04:10 |
| Takyoji | ESPECIALLY in regards of mobile device | 04:10 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 04:10 |
| Takyoji | devices* | 04:10 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well Apple is doing its part | 04:10 |
| Alpha_Cluster | and i thin it will suck on all other mobile devices so that will help as well | 04:10 |
| Takyoji | It's just so archaic that people use Flash still; because it's the only thing most widely "supported". | 04:11 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i just wish that Silverlight would have used a more open standard for its video codec | 04:11 |
| Takyoji | What codec does it use? | 04:12 |
| Alpha_Cluster | VC-1 | 04:12 |
| Takyoji | Something patent-encumbered, and made by MS? | 04:12 |
| Alpha_Cluster | actually VC-1 is based off mpeg-4 but i believe yeah it is patent-encumbered | 04:12 |
| Alpha_Cluster | you can get a binary blog that makes it work in linux though | 04:12 |
| Takyoji | Otherwise I give a nice golf clap to those whom implemented HTML5 capabilities in Silverlight along with Theora support | 04:12 |
| Alpha_Cluster | blob* | 04:12 |
| Alpha_Cluster | the reason i like silverlight is cause it can at least rescale video when your bandwith changes | 04:13 |
| Alpha_Cluster | like when your watching a video it will will degrade nicely instead of stopping when your bandwith gets messed up that is something flash has never done and html5 doesnt solve | 04:14 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i think the real way to solve the video thing woudl be to find a way to un encumber h.264 | 04:15 |
| Takyoji | Google supposedly might buy out On2 Technologies | 04:16 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i thoguth they bought On2 awhile back> | 04:16 |
| tonyyarusso | Me too - I think they did a while ago. | 04:17 |
| Alpha_Cluster | oh wait | 04:17 |
| Alpha_Cluster | its an pending offer | 04:17 |
| tonyyarusso | ah | 04:17 |
| Alpha_Cluster | its waiting for a stockholder approval | 04:17 |
| tonyyarusso | so, announced, but not completed | 04:17 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yep | 04:17 |
| Alpha_Cluster | vote will take place on the 17th | 04:17 |
| Takyoji | 4 days from now? | 04:18 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah | 04:18 |
| Alpha_Cluster | acording to wikipedia | 04:18 |
| Takyoji | otherwise if they do acquire On2; hopefully they may open it up, and perhaps "drop" the patents in some fashion | 04:22 |
| Alpha_Cluster | maybe | 04:22 |
| Alpha_Cluster | depends on if google wants to play fair | 04:22 |
| Takyoji | and if that happened; I wonder what would come of Theora.. | 04:23 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol who knows Google iseems to be being more evil | 04:23 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lately | 04:23 |
| Alpha_Cluster | w00t USA gets gold in womens mogals! | 04:23 |
| Takyoji | such examples being? | 04:24 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well we can look at the google books dealings | 04:25 |
| Alpha_Cluster | or the privicy messups with teh buzz launch | 04:26 |
| Takyoji | I don't quite understand the case with Google Books | 04:26 |
| Takyoji | or even really know of it | 04:26 |
| Alpha_Cluster | basically google thinks it has the write to OWN the digital copies of public domain works | 04:27 |
| Takyoji | and be a copyright holder of the digital copies? | 04:28 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i think that is pretty much what it wouldbe | 04:28 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 04:29 |
| Alpha_Cluster | This Week in Google did a few good shows on the deal | 04:30 |
| Takyoji | You know; I'd be quite curious. | 05:10 |
| Takyoji | Someone should try to benchmark between Javascript (various browsers) and Actionscript (Flash) | 05:10 |
| Takyoji | heh; interesting: http://jacksondunstan.com/articles/534 | 05:14 |
| Takyoji | Safari and Firefox's implementation of Javascript perform between than ActionScript 3 in Flash; based on the details tested | 05:16 |
| Takyoji | It's in regards operations such as arrays, sorting, MD5, etc | 05:17 |
| Takyoji | Someone should write a comparison using Canvas and graphical elements created with ActionScript; and benchmark it somewhere on that basis | 05:18 |
| Alpha_Cluster | flash has never really seen speed gains so i wouldnt be to surprised if canvas could out do it | 05:22 |
| Alpha_Cluster | specially since they could easily utalize openGL for hardware acceleration if they really needed it | 05:23 |
| Takyoji | And my system froze again; tried any possible key combinations to no avail. Any suggestions? | 05:29 |
| Alpha_Cluster | what are you doing when it freezes? | 05:31 |
| Takyoji | It just happens at random. Usually just switching to a different tab in Empathy as someone says something | 05:32 |
| Takyoji | Any error log(s) that would be useful for troubleshooting the issue? | 05:32 |
| Alpha_Cluster | actually i remember last time i used ubuntu having odd issues with empathy i dont remember it crashing eveyrthing but i know that it crashed a few times | 05:33 |
| Takyoji | Otherwise I'm able to move the mouse just fine; everything else is unresponsive | 05:33 |
| Takyoji | Can't switch to a terminal screen with Ctrl+Alt+F#, etc | 05:33 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah i think i remmber that happening a few times >.< | 05:33 |
| Alpha_Cluster | try using pidgin? | 05:34 |
| Takyoji | http://pastebin.com/d33e1c49c | 05:38 |
| Takyoji | That's my kernel log until the point I restarted | 05:39 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i think its cause empathy is crap[ | 05:40 |
| Takyoji | Although that shouldn't cause the whole system to be dysfunctional | 05:43 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well it somehow does >.> problbly cause it more tied into gnome then it should be | 05:45 |
| Takyoji | Of all things; why does it seem that the common instant messaging clients are considerably crap? | 05:54 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ? | 05:54 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i dont know pidgin has never been bad for me | 05:54 |
| Takyoji | Pidgin has a couple bugs as well; ESPECIALLY with some things regarding IRC | 05:55 |
| Takyoji | Pidgin stores all credentials in plaintext | 05:55 |
| Alpha_Cluster | oh i use irssi or Xchat for irc | 05:55 |
| Takyoji | I use XChat | 05:55 |
| Alpha_Cluster | empathy soters in plaintext too i would think | 05:55 |
| Takyoji | It uses the keyring | 05:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ah ok | 05:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | didnt know it did that | 05:56 |
| Takyoji | gnome-keyring | 05:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i know waht keyring you meant | 05:57 |
| Takyoji | If only more things actually implemented it.. | 05:59 |
| Takyoji | Evolution and Empathy are the only things that use it, that I know of | 05:59 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah probably | 06:00 |
| Alpha_Cluster | that is one of hte reasons i use OSX now like everything utalizes teh keyring | 06:00 |
| Takyoji | I almost feel like writing a script that extracts all passwords from a system; just to see how pathetic it is. | 06:03 |
| Takyoji | of course, it's far worse on Windows since there is no keyring at all | 06:03 |
| Takyoji | I wonder if the keyring is accessible from Python | 06:06 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 06:06 |
| Alpha_Cluster | the gnome-keyring should be it is written in | 06:06 |
| Alpha_Cluster | C | 06:06 |
| Takyoji | But how would you access it though? | 06:07 |
| Takyoji | I guess there's a Python library for accessing it | 06:08 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well otherwise though the C API | 06:08 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 06:08 |
| mr_steve | Takyoji, I've used gnome-keyring in Python | 06:11 |
| mr_steve | It's not the most fun thing to do, but it's doable | 06:11 |
| Takyoji | Someone wrote a simple script to access it in Python, based upon the interface provided | 06:13 |
| mr_steve | There's a python module for it, but the interface is only documented by example. It basically follows the C interface though | 06:14 |
| mr_steve | My largely abandoned Google Voice app uses the keyring, if you want some practical example code | 06:14 |
| mr_steve | It's on launchpad at https://launchpad.net/gvoicebox | 06:15 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 06:16 |
| mr_steve | specfically, this file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Esmcgrath23/gvoicebox/trunk/annotate/head%3A/gvoicebox/controllers/auth.py | 06:16 |
| Takyoji | Dead for what reason? | 06:16 |
| mr_steve | I haven't had the time to keep coding it | 06:17 |
| Takyoji | ahh | 06:17 |
| mr_steve | That code there should be pretty easy to follow, if you ignore the GtkMVC stuff. A keyring object is created in __init__, and accessed by get_auth and set_auth | 06:18 |
| Takyoji | Seems fairly straightforward | 06:19 |
| mr_steve | I was doing heavy debugging at that time, so it's still liberally sprinkled with logging statements | 06:20 |
| Takyoji | heh ahh | 06:20 |
| mr_steve | I really should start working on that again, I have some free time next week. It was fun | 06:21 |
| h00k | tonyyarusso: I never did forward that email about the Global Jam, did I? | 16:35 |
| _diablo | h00k, I didn't get it if you intended to send it to the group | 16:41 |
| h00k | _diablo: I didn't, but I should | 18:26 |
| _diablo | yup :) | 18:26 |
| h00k | _diablo: there you go! | 18:28 |
| _diablo | thanks! | 18:28 |
| _diablo | :) | 18:28 |
| Takyoji | Apparently H.264 is also used for ATSC transmissions as well.. | 18:51 |
| Takyoji | MPEG2 or H.264 | 18:53 |
| tonyyarusso | h00k: yeah you did. | 19:33 |
| mr_steve | So, I'm tired of OpenOffice Writer's crap. I'd rather write papers with VIM, but I gotta submit them in MSOffice .doc format. Any ideas? | 19:38 |
| Alpha_Cluster | there is that other app... why cant i think of it | 19:39 |
| mr_steve | abiword? Yeah, I might give that a shot again too | 19:39 |
| Alpha_Cluster | Abiword | 19:39 |
| Alpha_Cluster | its gotten alot beter | 19:39 |
| mr_steve | Either that or learn LaTex and submit my papers as PDF, that'd probably work. Maybe a little hardcore tho. | 19:40 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol i always wanted to do taht | 19:40 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i knew someone that clamed he did htat | 19:40 |
| _diablo | mr_steve, that's what I've been doing for my stats class | 19:40 |
| _diablo | office doesn't work well with math functions | 19:41 |
| mr_steve | _diablo, very true. I keep meaning to learn LaTex, it does make for beautiful documents | 19:41 |
| Alpha_Cluster | _diablo: i thought office 07 worked pretty good for math stuff | 19:41 |
| mr_steve | I think I'll just try out Abiword for now. I used to use it on Gentoo because compiling OOo took a weekend. | 19:42 |
| _diablo | Alpha_Cluster, office 07 on gnu/linux | 19:44 |
| _diablo | ? | 19:44 |
| mr_steve | Openoffice has just been driving me nuts. It's always asking me to recover something, and if I leave it alone for 5 minutes while I research something, it bombs as soon as I start typing again | 19:44 |
| _diablo | mr_steve, what version? | 19:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol i think it works in wine | 19:44 |
| tonyyarusso | OOo Writer works fine for me.... | 19:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | least i rember using it in wine i thought | 19:45 |
| mr_steve | I'm using 1:3.2.0~rc2 I think, but I had the same problem in karmic too | 19:45 |
| mr_steve | I filed bug #521607 but I haven't had a chance to get a backtrace yet | 19:46 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 521607 in openoffice.org "Openoffice Writer crashes after inactivity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521607 | 19:46 |
| Alpha_Cluster | just learn LaTex | 19:47 |
| Alpha_Cluster | that nevercrashes | 19:47 |
| mr_steve | Alpha_Cluster, exactly. And I can edit in Vim. I think I'll start reading about it, but not until after I finish this current paper | 19:48 |
| _diablo | truth. I've had no problem with OO.o. I use it pretty intensively as well | 19:48 |
| Alpha_Cluster | mr_steve: i think KDE has a very good LaTex editor too if you want a IDE | 19:48 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 19:48 |
| _diablo | mr_steve, I hear VIM has a very good LaTex editor. | 19:50 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah i have heard taht as well i just never trusted VIM for the lack of spell checking | 19:51 |
| Alpha_Cluster | or can you add that and i just missed it? | 19:51 |
| mr_steve | Alpha_Cluster, spellcheck is built in, though it has a learning curve | 19:52 |
| _diablo | It's not soooooo awful. | 19:52 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 19:52 |
| mr_steve | You do :set spell, and it'll highlight misspelled words. And then in insert mode you can put the cursor on a word and do Ctrl-X s to get a pop-up of suggestions | 19:53 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ahh | 19:54 |
| mr_steve | I'm using Vim more and more and it's actually starting to make sense. Scary. | 19:54 |
| Alpha_Cluster | http://www.xm1math.net/texmaker/ | 19:55 |
| Alpha_Cluster | there is another option | 19:55 |
| mr_steve | Kinda nifty. I can probably get by just fine in Vim though, maybe with some add-ons. The most fancy formatting I'd be using is italics, and the occasional bulleted/numbered list. | 19:56 |
| mr_steve | I don't have to write papers for my math class, thank $DEITY | 19:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah if your not doing math stuff then you could use gedit | 19:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 19:56 |
| _diablo | ugh. gedit is so limited. and you're locked to the rat to use it | 20:00 |
| * tonyyarusso <3 gedit | 20:02 | |
| _diablo | gross. | 20:02 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i love gedit and kate | 20:29 |
| Alpha_Cluster | both are better then VIM or Emacs | 20:29 |
| _diablo | Alpha_Cluster doesn't know what (s)he is taking about | 20:44 |
| _diablo | brb | 20:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | oh trust me i know what i am talking about | 20:51 |
| h00k | er. You can't use gedit if you don't have x running. | 20:54 |
| h00k | Different tools for different jobs. | 20:54 |
| _diablo | gedit also lacks all the sweeeet fast editing capabilities of VIM | 21:01 |
| _diablo | e.g. line-jumping, word-jumping | 21:02 |
| Alpha_Cluster | actually i should say i am a fan of LSE | 21:22 |
| _diablo | london stock exchange? london school of economics? | 21:23 |
| _diablo | !google LSE | 21:23 |
| ubot3 | Factoid google lse not found | 21:23 |
| _diablo | oh, we don't have a bot that does that. oops. | 21:23 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 21:23 |
| Alpha_Cluster | its something something editor | 21:24 |
| Alpha_Cluster | its on VMS | 21:24 |
| tonyyarusso | Language Sensitive Editor | 21:25 |
| _diablo | why are you running VMS? | 21:25 |
| tonyyarusso | http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/5340/5340_.htm | 21:26 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well my school had a VMS cluster still | 21:26 |
| Alpha_Cluster | and companies still use VMs | 21:26 |
| _diablo | tonyyarusso, I know what it is lol, Just wondering why | 21:28 |
| _diablo | yeah, that's fair enough | 21:28 |
| Alpha_Cluster | so if you google search turbotax mac its like intuit hten all torrent trackers | 21:29 |
| Alpha_Cluster | who would torrent tax software? | 21:30 |
| kermit | who would use turbotax? | 21:31 |
| tonyyarusso | We used to, but they kept charging more and more for fewer features, so we said screw it and hired an accountant instead. | 21:31 |
| kermit | i havent had much luck with turbotax or accountants, i do my own now | 21:31 |
| tonyyarusso | My parents, that is. I do mine by hand. :S | 21:31 |
| tonyyarusso | My parents have a combination of complicatedness of their taxes and value of their time that makes doing their own no longer make sense. | 21:32 |
| mr_steve | I'd still like to get a SupyBot in here for Googley goodness and etc. I think freenode says 1 bot per channel though, and we've already got ubot3 and the logger | 21:32 |
| kermit | i havent found that accountants or turbotax do anything but make things more complicated | 21:32 |
| _diablo | mr_steve, are you sure that's freenode's policy? | 21:32 |
| tonyyarusso | Freenode has no such policy. | 21:33 |
| kermit | i've never heard that policy | 21:33 |
| h00k | ^ this | 21:33 |
| h00k | It's per channel | 21:33 |
| tonyyarusso | I don't see what the point of a googlebot would be though. | 21:33 |
| h00k | perhaps it should just give lmgtfy links. | 21:33 |
| tonyyarusso | haha | 21:33 |
| _diablo | lolz | 21:34 |
| mr_steve | heh, now I'm totally going to write such a plugin for Supybot | 21:34 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i perfer turbotax cause i dont trust myself to not messup doing it by hane | 21:35 |
| Alpha_Cluster | hand | 21:35 |
| mr_steve | I'm doing my taxes by hand this week and it sucks. Partnership return for my failed business, and mine and the GFs 1040s | 21:36 |
| _diablo | ouch. | 21:37 |
| _diablo | that's going to be painful | 21:37 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah that sounds hard | 21:37 |
| mr_steve | The 1065 for partnerships is a nightmare. Way more complicated than it has to be. | 21:37 |
| mr_steve | It's like 8 pages of forms just to report the $300 profit I had last year. | 21:38 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: to me it seems turbotax gives you more opportunities to mess up than doing it by hand | 21:39 |
| h00k | I'll consider either using TurboTax online or do it by hand, I haven't decided | 21:40 |
| kermit | any tax software still has to ask you for all the same information as is on the tax forms, or if it doesnt then it'll miss that information. | 21:40 |
| Alpha_Cluster | eh | 21:40 |
| Alpha_Cluster | more the issue is messing up the math | 21:40 |
| kermit | i use efile express, which is the tax forms, except it'll calculate the calculated fields | 21:40 |
| kermit | but you're entering the info directly on the actual forms | 21:40 |
| h00k | My taxes aren't too complicated, anyway. | 21:41 |
| kermit | http://www.efile-express.com/ | 21:41 |
| Alpha_Cluster | btw the Department of reenue is running sun servers | 21:41 |
| mr_steve | What I liked about turbotax last year was just the way it presented most questions cleary. With the IRS forms/instructions you get stuck in a chain of "See page 10, see page 7, see form 8859 line 14b, see page 12, etc." | 21:41 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah taht is waht confuses me | 21:42 |
| kermit | h00k: i remember when i was 18 and did mine with touch-tone on a phone call to the IRS, no forms! oh the simple life. | 21:42 |
| Alpha_Cluster | or i sit there thinking "do i need to fill this field out" | 21:42 |
| kermit | mr_steve: thats becasue turbotax just leaves out stuff most people dont use.. you're just as free to NOT see page 10, etc etc, on the real forms, and hope it doesnt apply to you | 21:42 |
| h00k | kermit: I think I did that, once. | 21:43 |
| Alpha_Cluster | kermit: only like 10% of people need to see that page probably | 21:43 |
| kermit | the IRS will actually ask if you qualify for the one legged hermaphrodite tax credit.. turbotax just doenst bother. | 21:43 |
| kermit | er, the IRS forms/instructions | 21:43 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 21:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | did you qualify for that? | 21:44 |
| kermit | its a good thing i was using the actual forms! | 21:44 |
| kermit | ;P | 21:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 21:44 |
| mr_steve | haha I spent an hour yesterday looking through the list of tax credits for the business, trying to figure out if any of them applied. Finally I just decided I don't care. | 21:45 |
| Alpha_Cluster | like i said the real forms tend ot just add more confusion with teh "check page X if you qualify" then page x says "check the table on page y | 21:45 |
| Alpha_Cluster | " | 21:45 |
| mr_steve | The various software packages are usually pretty good about asking you "did you do this? Did you do this? okay, then you need to do this:" | 21:46 |
| kermit | i'm not sure how turbotax just not asking you at all is easier than choosing to not check if you use the IRS forms. | 21:46 |
| Alpha_Cluster | kermit you can quickly get lost and confused with the forms | 21:46 |
| kermit | better than over paying $10k of taxes because some software app didnt ask you about something | 21:47 |
| tonyyarusso | Alpha_Cluster: it's okay, if you do mess up doing it by hand the IRS just sends you a nice letter saying "uh, box 83 looks wrong - I think you owe us $80. plz send that in? kthxbai" | 21:47 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i mean i can fill out a 1040EZ in minutes sure but turbotax makes sure i caught allthe stuff i needed and does the math right | 21:47 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol tonyyarusso yeah i gnerally get money from them | 21:47 |
| Alpha_Cluster | never actually had to pay in after filing | 21:47 |
| mr_steve | I'm pretty sure the IRS is going to have a problem with some part of my 1065, but I'm gonna tell 'em to get stuffed. I figure if I make an honest attempt to report my business activities correctly, I shouldn't need to be familliar with thousands of pages of tax law. | 21:48 |
| tonyyarusso | yeah, last year I owed over a thousand bucks due to having the wrong exemption on file with one employer :( | 21:49 |
| kermit | god if you're using a 1040EZ i'd just use a pen. | 21:49 |
| tonyyarusso | (I took a second job, but employer #1 was only deducting for me having one.) | 21:49 |
| Alpha_Cluster | kermit i have used a pen for filling them out in class 2 times | 21:49 |
| tonyyarusso | and yeah, the 1040EZ is super simple, but I didn't qualify for it last year. | 21:49 |
| Alpha_Cluster | and i actually dont know if the 1040EZ will work for me this year | 21:50 |
| tonyyarusso | I had to do a regular 1040 AND some Schedule C thing, plus something else. | 21:50 |
| tonyyarusso | I did however get a kick out of reporting the $0.74 I had paid in foreign taxes. | 21:50 |
| mr_steve | I had use the regular 1040 last year but I got to use schedule C-EZ | 21:51 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: that's something like what happened to the treasury secretary | 21:51 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 21:51 |
| Alpha_Cluster | you reported .74 cents? | 21:52 |
| tonyyarusso | yup | 21:53 |
| tonyyarusso | There was a box for it! | 21:53 |
| tonyyarusso | well, no. .74 *dollars*. 74 cents. | 21:53 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol good point | 21:53 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i dont think you wold have known about 3/4 of a cent | 21:54 |
| tonyyarusso | (It was from dividends on foreign stock.) | 21:54 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ahh | 21:54 |
| Alpha_Cluster | see i have no actual investments i hold like that cause they are messy | 21:54 |
| tonyyarusso | Thankfully, my broker sends me a packet will all of the IRS form and box numbers marked, so I can just copy values over from their summary to my filing. | 21:54 |
| tonyyarusso | s/will/with/ | 21:55 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol well they are required to send you a form of some kind to prove it happend | 21:55 |
| tonyyarusso | Yeah, but they aren't required to add them all up and mark which ones are classified which way and all of that, but they do, which makes me happy. | 21:55 |
| tonyyarusso | (There were like 10 pages of the actual reports, but then a cover page just for "how do I mark this on my taxes" stuff) | 21:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | really i thought with tax stuff you had to be blunt and say "here is X you use for filing" | 21:56 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ahh | 21:56 |
| tonyyarusso | (I have holdings in ~60 different stocks/funds, so adding everything up right myself would kinda suck) | 21:58 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah that would | 21:58 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i just let money trickle into my 401K | 21:58 |
| tonyyarusso | Yay for teh Intarnetz and the advent of fractional shares! | 21:58 |
| Alpha_Cluster | figuring when it really matters it will be there | 21:58 |
| tonyyarusso | It's pretty funny though when they send out a mailing that probably cost them $10 just to ask me how I'd like to cast my .0000000004% vote on the board of directors for things. | 21:59 |
| Alpha_Cluster | hey your vote matters | 22:00 |
| Alpha_Cluster | legally i mean not actually lol | 22:00 |
| tonyyarusso | I think my vote matters more in actual elections than any of my financial holdings. | 22:01 |
| tonyyarusso | I mean, what was Franken's final margin, like 300? | 22:01 |
| _diablo | and that's saying somethign :) | 22:01 |
| kermit | i managed to get my 2008 return down to 24 pages | 22:01 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 22:01 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah i still cant believe franken won | 22:01 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: did you know you can send your broker's gain/loss summary as-is for a D-1, rather than copying all the transactions on a D-1 ? | 22:02 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: some of my accountants/tax preparers liked to copy it all, then charge me a lot for the pointless service | 22:02 |
| tonyyarusso | 312, according to Wikipedia. | 22:03 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 22:03 |
| tonyyarusso | kermit: no, I didn't. | 22:03 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: i've been doing it for 8 years | 22:05 |
| kermit | tax software doesnt like you to know that either :) | 22:05 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well software genearlly doesnt like you | 22:06 |
| kermit | with efiling i just put a line "D-1 sent via mail" with the total from the broker's gain/loss sheet, then mail it to them seperately. | 22:07 |
| Alpha_Cluster | less your playing a dating sim then it pretends to | 22:07 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: that sounds like a fun game | 22:17 |
| tonyyarusso | omg, why is it that responding to someone once makes them convinced they should keep highlighting you about their question for hours? | 22:18 |
| Alpha_Cluster | kermit: what you want to play a dating sim | 22:25 |
| Alpha_Cluster | ? | 22:25 |
| Takyoji | :P | 22:25 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: yes | 22:27 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: i didnt know such a thing existed | 22:27 |
| Alpha_Cluster | really? | 22:27 |
| Alpha_Cluster | they are huge in japan | 22:27 |
| _diablo | some guy just married his GF in one | 22:29 |
| Alpha_Cluster | yeah | 22:29 |
| kermit | it'd save me a fortune on strippers | 22:30 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 22:30 |
| Alpha_Cluster | wait do you want clean dating sim or ergo games? | 22:30 |
| kermit | 'ergo'? | 22:30 |
| Alpha_Cluster | h-game >.< | 22:30 |
| Alpha_Cluster | basically its a dating sim with hentai | 22:31 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 22:31 |
| _diablo | aka nerd-gf | 22:31 |
| kermit | whichever is most realistic | 22:31 |
| Alpha_Cluster | is it just me or is luge the most boring sport ever? | 22:32 |
| tonyyarusso | except when they crash, but now we're hoping they won't, so yes. | 22:33 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: wow this is neat, i'm playing the Summer Session demo. | 22:34 |
| Alpha_Cluster | serously you didnt know about these? | 22:34 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: no | 22:34 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i feel kind of bad | 22:35 |
| kermit | huh why wasnt Leisure Suit Larry listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_sim | 22:35 |
| Alpha_Cluster | that i may have just enabled you to a datig sim addiction | 22:35 |
| Alpha_Cluster | cause that is not at all like what a dating sim is technically like i htink >.< | 22:36 |
| kermit | yeah but maybe i'll save a fortune on strippers, booze, taxis, and the liability of having giant house parties. | 22:36 |
| kermit | if i learn some dating skills | 22:36 |
| Alpha_Cluster | mind you most of what i know about the dating sims is what i have learned from Anime since i have not played dating sims | 22:36 |
| * Alpha_Cluster has also watched many Animes that are based on Dating sims >.< | 22:37 | |
| Alpha_Cluster | that sounds silly doesn tit | 22:37 |
| kermit | wow | 22:37 |
| kermit | no thats great, i need these animes, if they're at all realistic | 22:38 |
| Alpha_Cluster | what do you mean? they are all clean the ones i watch and tehy are just your standard romance anime | 22:38 |
| kermit | i've been spending about $2-3k/mo for the last 8 months girl chasing.. i managed to get one gf for 10 days during that time. | 22:38 |
| Alpha_Cluster | i hope to god your joking | 22:39 |
| kermit | no, every other line on my bank statement is an ATM | 22:39 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: what anime films to you recommend? | 22:41 |
| Alpha_Cluster | what kind of anime are you wanting? | 22:42 |
| tonyyarusso | That's......beyond pathetic and well into just plain worrying. | 22:42 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: what we were talknig about.. dating simulation | 22:42 |
| Alpha_Cluster | um.. | 22:42 |
| Alpha_Cluster | well there are no films that i can think of covering that | 22:42 |
| Alpha_Cluster | but the anime Shuffle! and To Heart were both based off dating sims i believe | 22:42 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: i'd be impressed if many people on freenode are doing better | 22:42 |
| tonyyarusso | kermit: even if they aren't managing to get relationships they aren't blowing their salary in their failure. | 22:43 |
| kermit | Alpha_Cluster: i thought you just said you've seen many that are based on dating sims | 22:43 |
| tonyyarusso | aka, "ur doin it wrong" | 22:43 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: its true not trying means not failing | 22:43 |
| _diablo | Metropolis was good. | 22:44 |
| _diablo | Also, death note | 22:44 |
| tonyyarusso | You don't need to spend obscene amounts of money to "try". Doing so merely means you don't have anything legitimate to try with. | 22:44 |
| _diablo | :( | 22:44 |
| tonyyarusso | You're basically just pretending to court when actually you're just bad at shopping for hookers. | 22:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | _diablo: we were dissuing ones bassed off dating sims >.< | 22:44 |
| Alpha_Cluster | School Days is another | 22:44 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: what's your approach o wise one? | 22:45 |
| _diablo | oh... fun | 22:45 |
| tonyyarusso | kermit: currently? Not particularly looking. | 22:45 |
| tonyyarusso | But in general, uh, anything other than whatever the heck you're doing. | 22:45 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: yet preaching your skills, interesting. | 22:45 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: obviously you're just blowing smoke. | 22:46 |
| tonyyarusso | Seriously, how do you even manage to spend $100 a day? | 22:46 |
| tonyyarusso | No, I'm not. | 22:46 |
| tonyyarusso | Normal people can date on less than $36,000 a year for their dating budget... | 22:47 |
| kermit | taxis.. $20, bar drinks $50, cover $15, cigarettes $6.. that's $90.. 3 times per week thats $1k/mo | 22:47 |
| kermit | then add another $1k for the strippers after bars close. | 22:47 |
| tonyyarusso | Okay, start by not smoking, then go places that don't have a cover, for starters. | 22:48 |
| kermit | i love how freenoders can take such pride in their lack of failure while admitting they arent even trying. | 22:48 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 22:48 |
| kermit | tonyyarusso: cafes? | 22:48 |
| tonyyarusso | kermit: or just normal restaurant/bars that aren't "clubs". | 22:48 |
| tonyyarusso | You know, where grown-ups go. | 22:49 |
| Alpha_Cluster | lol | 22:49 |
| Alpha_Cluster | most younger poeple dont go clubing | 22:49 |
| kermit | hmmthe only place i know without a cover has the youngest croud | 22:49 |
| kermit | (because there's no cover..) | 22:49 |
| kermit | (brother's) | 22:49 |
| tonyyarusso | Surely you can't consider $3,600 per day of actual relationship to be a success. | 22:50 |
| kermit | actually i know one place with no cover.. my house.. and cheaper drinks, i think that will work well. last weekend i had about 60 people here. | 22:52 |
| tonyyarusso | hey, it's snowing some more. | 22:56 |
| Takyoji | Same here | 22:57 |
| Alpha_Cluster | not even very cloudy here | 23:04 |
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