/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/15/#kubuntu-devel.txt

_Groo_join #bespin00:05
_Groo_whats the bespin decorator channel, anyone knows00:06
JontheEchidnamight not have one00:10
neversfeldeI am not sure about the current status of the MOTU team, but I planned to join it for years now, so I wrote an application02:07
neversfeldewould be great, if you could write an endorsement02:08
neversfeldehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication02:08
neversfeldeif you got in touch with me in the past :)02:09
JontheEchidnaneversfelde: endorsed02:25
jjessehey guys, lucid problems, on my vm after i login i have a black screen with nothing else, nothing runs, no plasma, nothing02:26
neversfeldeJontheEchidna: thank you02:28
JontheEchidnano prob, good luck02:29
jjesseanyone?02:36
daskreechjjesse: Youhave autologin ?02:37
jjessedaskreech: nope02:41
jjesseafter i put in my username/password black screen only thing that shows is my mouse02:42
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apacheloggerdid anyone fix the insanity of python-kde4 on lucid?07:36
Riddellapachelogger: yes07:47
Riddelljust uploaded a fix07:47
Riddellneversfelde: what's a jurist?07:48
Riddellgermany should be capitalised07:48
RiddellJontheEchidna: your feedback on neversfelde's page doesn't have your name07:52
apacheloggerRiddell: molto bene!07:52
apacheloggerRiddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurist07:53
Riddellthat article is mostly about how the term doesn't exist :)07:55
apacheloggeryeah ;)07:56
apacheloggerthe first couple of lines explain what a jurist does07:56
apacheloggerRiddell: I don't see no new kdebindings on launchpad :S08:03
Riddellhmm, upload failed, retried08:04
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, since you were working on that ibus stuff as well ... the current Qt backport includes the ibus-as-default patch, which apparently breaks dead keys on karmic08:04
apacheloggerhowever they seem to be working on lucid08:04
apacheloggerRiddell: are you ok with removing that patch in the backport?08:05
Riddellapachelogger: yes that's fine08:07
apacheloggerok, uploading then08:07
Riddellthanks08:07
ghostcubemorning :)08:26
Riddellagateau: new libindicate-qt packaged, it neeeds the message indicator recompiled.  when I ping myself though the icon doesn't change08:45
ghostcube4.4 final working fine :)08:48
Riddellagateau: uploaded anyway08:49
agateauRiddell: ok, thanks08:49
agateauRiddell: I plan to work on MI today, giving a try at seele suggestions08:49
agateauhopefully releasing today08:50
Riddellagateau: if I add the message indicator to both the systray and the panel, plasma crashes08:50
agateauRiddell: this is fixed in bzr08:50
Riddellgroovy08:50
doc___hi there09:43
Riddellhi doc___09:45
apacheloggeruha09:49
apacheloggerlibkdepim4 depends on kmail09:49
apacheloggerhow unexpected -.-09:49
apacheloggerright libmessageviewer links against libmessagecore09:51
apacheloggerwhere former is in libkdepim4 and latter is in kmail09:52
apachelogger\o/09:52
Riddellsounds like libmessagecore is in the wrong place09:53
agateaucan I say, spaghetti?09:53
apacheloggerRiddell: there is more libmessage*09:54
apacheloggerRiddell: I sent a mail to the list09:54
* apachelogger is currently trying to find a dep chain for kweather09:54
apacheloggerlooks to me that kweather is not used currently10:02
apacheloggerthe kontact plugin for it is gone from KDE 410:02
apachelogger:S10:02
apachelogger+ the kweather kcm still shows options for the panel config :D10:03
Riddellnixternal: I moved the koffice dependencies to main, go go koffice 210:04
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KOfficeUserReview10:07
apacheloggerzander suggested that we could get a group of kubuntu users to review koffice so that we get an idea of how far away we are from replacing ooo with ko and that the ko devs also get some real user feedback for once ;)10:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: bug 47319710:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 473197 in kcm-gtk "kcm-gtk writes settings into wrong file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47319710:12
Riddellapachelogger: that'll probably need to wait until we have koffice 2 uploaded though :)10:34
apacheloggerRiddell: something tells me we should test agaist 2.2 anyway11:10
apacheloggerloads of goodness there11:10
apacheloggeralso I think the MS import filters are only in 2.2 but not 2.111:10
Mamarokyou people seen these news already? http://meego.com11:23
Riddellthey kept that quiet11:28
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 50809111:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 508091 in plasma-widget-kimpanel "Request for removal from archive (source only)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50809111:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I am demonitoring kimpanel from kubuntu-bugs11:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: or maybe we should keep monitoring, to ensure nothing gets reported there accidently11:33
* apachelogger would really love if malone had a redirect-reports-feature to ensure stuff does not get reported against old, unwatched source pckages11:34
Riddellremoved11:34
apacheloggerRiddell: thx11:50
ejat  kopete-cryptography: Depends: libkleo4 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed11:53
ejat:(11:53
ejatcould some rebuild kopete with 4.411:55
ejatkopete-cryptography*11:56
* apachelogger is wondering why that beast depends a precise version of the lib11:56
ejatExecutable: kopete PID: 5270 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault)11:59
ejat:(11:59
apachelogger!info kopete-cryptography12:00
ubottukopete-cryptography (source: kopete-cryptography): OpenPGP plugin for Kopete. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-kde4.3.0-0ubuntu2 (karmic), package size 113 kB, installed size 844 kB12:00
apachelogger!info kopete-cryptography lucid12:00
ubottukopete-cryptography (source: kopete-cryptography): OpenPGP plugin for Kopete. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-kde4.3.0-0ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 113 kB, installed size 844 kB12:00
apacheloggerhm12:00
apacheloggerRiddell: is anyone working on the extragear packaging?12:01
ejatthanks apachelogger12:01
apacheloggerhm12:01
ejatfor highlighting it :)12:02
apacheloggerkopete-crypography still seems to be at 1.3.012:02
apacheloggerhm, no changes indeed12:04
apacheloggerstill I find the linking against precise version of libkleo weird12:05
Riddellapachelogger: Lex79 did extragear packaging, see the Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging page12:15
Riddelllucid only though12:15
apacheloggerRiddell: not yet uploaded or is ubottu just providig out of date information? :)12:15
* apachelogger tries to fix kopete-cryptography linking12:15
apacheloggermeh12:23
apacheloggercant fix without testbuild, cant testbuild due to limited traffic -.-12:23
apacheloggeroh well12:23
apacheloggerejat: uploading a rebuild12:23
apacheloggerejat: Successfully uploaded packages.12:26
ejatapachelogger: thanks12:26
ejatapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/376824/12:26
ejatwhy the package need to be remove if want to upgrade to lucid ?12:26
apacheloggerejat: how are you upgrading anyway?12:27
ejatdist-upgrade ..12:27
apacheloggerehm12:27
apacheloggerbad idea12:27
ejatowh ..12:27
apacheloggerask for support in #ubuntu+112:27
apachelogger+ that is all gnome stuff anyway12:28
ejatok12:28
apacheloggerrather offtopic here12:28
ejatthere are a few kubuntu + plasma stuff in the list12:28
* apachelogger leaves for brain scan12:28
markeyguys, users keep asking us for Kubuntu packages of Amarok 2.3-Beta12:55
markeydo we have some?12:55
Riddellmarkey: not yet I'm afraid13:01
markeyRiddell: ah ok. can you let us know when you have them? that would be nice :)13:08
somekoolhi there ! it seems like libkorundum4-ruby1.8 is still missing for kde 4.4.013:19
Riddellsomekool: what do you need it for?13:21
Riddellit's been renamed to korundum4 or libkde4-ruby or libkde4-ruby1.813:21
somekoolplasma applets written in ruby13:22
somekoolI have those installs13:23
somekoolbut they dont contains the same list of .so13:23
somekoolusing old .so creates a segfault13:24
somekoolhttp://qtruby.pastebin.com/m560472d413:24
somekoolhttp://qtruby.pastebin.com/m3131558d13:25
somekoolm3131558d is the list of .so contain in the files13:26
somekoolpeople behind korundum says there is no major changes between 4.3.x and 4.4.013:27
somekoolif the package has been renamed, it should conflict with the other, now I can have both installed..... i wonder if I did not have libkde4-ruby before well, needing both, libkde4-ruby + libkorundum4-ruby13:28
somekoolbut 3 .so are missing in 4.4.013:29
somekooli dont know if there are any other information I can provide ?13:29
a|wensomekool: soprano.so is in libsoprano-ruby1.8 ... and looks like it is equivalent for the other ones that you claim "missing"13:32
a|weneg. akonadi.so is in libakonadi-ruby1.813:33
a|wenlibplasma-ruby1.8 contains the last one13:35
Riddellas usual debian likes to split things up.  I think korundum4 should depend on all the ruby modules13:40
* Riddell spots ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.tar.gz13:43
Tm_Tye13:45
JontheEchidnacould somebody retry konversation and kaffeine?13:46
RiddellNCommander, ScottK, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nixternal: schedule for meeting to discuss ncommander's kubuntu-dev application http://doodle.com/tyizyw72vm67w7qw13:46
RiddellJontheEchidna: pkgmanager fixed?13:46
RiddellJontheEchidna: retried13:47
JontheEchidnabug 52076713:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 520767 in pkg-create-dbgsym "Failure during -dbgsym generation" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52076713:47
somekoola|wen: THANK YOU !!!!13:47
JontheEchidnaseems to be a pkg-create-dbgsym bug, and is hopefully fixed now13:47
* a|wen wonders... kdebindings bzr branch at 100 MB and still counting ...13:47
a|wensomekool: you're welcome13:48
Riddella|wen: which branch?13:48
a|wenRiddell: lp:ubuntu/kdebindings/lucid13:48
a|wenbut looks like that is the false branch13:48
* a|wen just needs to remember to pull from kubuntu-members13:50
somekoolawesome, my applet is working under 4.4, i cannot see anything not working on my 4.4 desktop as of now (running 9.10)13:51
a|wenRiddell: korundum4 already suggests libokular-ruby, libplasma-ruby ... should i just add the missing ones, or should we promote it to depends while we are at it?13:52
somekooli think, if someone wants to write or use ruby applet, he wants to have all libraries available13:53
Riddella|wen: I'd make them all depends13:53
somekooli dont know if double dependencies are possible, such as if [ korundom && soprano ] then lib-soprano-ruby; so if someone does not have soprano, it wont have the ruby lib with it. but if later on it install soprano after he already have install korundum then the ruby lib will be automatically include13:54
a|wenRiddell: committed to bzr as a new unreleased version13:56
a|wensomekool: that is not possible to do; but korundum4 in lucid will depend on all relevant ones next time it is updated13:57
somekoolok14:00
JontheEchidnayay, built: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/1.2.3-1ubuntu1/+build/150902514:02
apacheloggerehm14:05
apacheloggersorry, but that ruby splitting is so braindead it hurts to think about14:05
apacheloggerone would think that splitting that kind of stuff is on hold until someone worked out a way to enhance thes scripting stuff at runtime14:06
apacheloggerbut no14:06
apacheloggerRiddell: I can't really tell when I am around for a meeting14:08
Riddellapachelogger: we don't actually have to have a meeting, we could just all quiz NCommander individually and put our thoughts on the wiki page of his14:09
Riddellkdelibs5 just got split up by debian too14:09
RiddellI don't think we should follow that for lucid14:09
apacheloggeragreed14:10
apacheloggerthough I think splitting kdelibs makes kind of sense for non-kde users14:10
ghostcubeyeah wont pull in all libs on gnome if someone wants an kde app14:11
apacheloggerwell14:11
apacheloggerit entirely depends on how it was split :P14:11
ghostcube:D14:11
apacheloggerbecause about any KDE app diggs into the larger portion of kdelibs anyway14:11
apacheloggerso you could at best eliminiate stuff like the nepomuk stack14:11
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JontheEchidnaneat, the i386 iso is 10 MB under now :)14:19
JontheEchidna5 MB to go for amd6414:20
apacheloggerif ooo would be gone...14:20
apacheloggeractually... if the ooo icon stack wouldnt duplicate the regular oxygen-icons it would already help a bundle :S14:21
somekoolhttp://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1087230&view=revision14:25
somekool-> "distributions may also want to grab it for their 4.4 packages until 4.4.1 is out."14:28
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Tonio_hi15:05
Tonio_all "logout", "reboot" and other acpi related buttons are broken in my KDE, is that known issue ?15:06
Tonio_forced reboot15:15
Tonio_the problem's still there15:15
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seeleRiddell: printing!15:35
claydohRiddell: do you forsee 4.4 moving to karmic-backports?15:39
claydohattempting to clarify things for this http://old.nabble.com/How-to-get-useful-bug-fixes-for-KDE-4.4.-without-automatically--upgrading-to-4.5--td27592836.html15:40
claydohas well as a wiki page and poosibel blog post15:40
JontheEchidnaThat would require backporting Qt 4.6, which is too risky for all the other non-KDE apps that can't cope with the behaviorial changes the Qt 4.x releases make15:51
claydohok15:51
claydohtho 4.5 is some ways off still :)15:52
JontheEchidna4.4 in the ppa will most certainly be supported until at least April, when we will have to focus our efforts of lucid+115:54
Tonio_can someone confirm to me that the kde "restart" and "shutdown" buttons don't work ?15:55
claydohbut the user's concern of automatically getting 4.5 would still be valid if 4.5 were offered for karmic15:56
JontheEchidnait won't be offered for karmic15:56
claydohkk15:56
JontheEchidnaTonio_: works for me (tm)15:56
Tonio_JontheEchidna: kk15:57
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ryanakcaCould someone sponsor http://revu.tauware.de/p/frescobaldi (debdiff: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/frescobaldi_1.0.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ) please?16:17
JontheEchidnaryanakca: sure16:29
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: Thanks16:31
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somekoolTonio_: they work for me....17:14
Tonio_kk somekool17:15
somekoolby the way ... http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1087230&view=revision fixes huge "memory leak" in plasma17:20
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Tm_Tsomekool: when that has been committed?17:31
somekoolTm_T: february 8th, could not make it to 4.4.017:37
somekool-> "distributions may also want to grab it for their 4.4 packages until 4.4.1 is out."17:37
Lex79Riddell: are you doing Qt 4.6.217:41
Lex79?17:41
RiddellLex79: currently looking at amarok beta17:41
Riddellqt is all yours if you want it17:41
Lex79ok I'm going to do17:41
Tm_Tsomekool: oh, that one17:46
RiddellNightrose, markey: is there a release schedule for amarok 2.3?18:01
markeyRiddell: yes18:02
markeyRiddell: sec, looking it up18:02
NightroseRiddell: what do you need?18:02
markeyRiddell: http://tinyurl.com/qj63r18:02
markeyour "calendar"18:02
NightroseRiddell: final tagging planned for end of the month but i'm not sure yet i can make that18:02
Nightrosegot an exam on the 5th18:03
Nightroseso likely the weekend after the 5th18:03
Nightrosewill need to see18:03
Riddellthat's all good, thanks18:04
Riddellmaco2 or anyone else on karmic, able to install kword?18:14
NightroseRiddell: guess so - what di you need?18:16
RiddellNightrose: confirmation that it would be released before lucid is, our feature freeze is nearing so need to start being careful with uploads18:17
NightroseRiddell: nah i meant kword ;-)18:18
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RiddellNightrose: see dfaure in #kubuntu18:20
Riddell18:19 < dfaure> Riddell: it says already there, the problem is http://pastebin.ca/179718718:20
NightroseRiddell: ok so i just try to install kword?18:21
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Riddellyeah18:21
Nightrosek18:21
Nightrosegive me a min18:22
NightroseRiddell: works here with backports and beta ppa enabled18:24
Nightrosekword-data 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu1018:24
Tonio_Riddell: I know there is absolutely no way to change that right now18:49
Tonio_Riddell: but I noticed lots of issues with the oxygen theme and web browsing....18:50
Tonio_Riddell: all buttons are very big with it and do not fit well on gmail (just one ex) webpage18:50
Tonio_Riddell: I'd like to discuss the possibility to switch to qtcurve as default theme18:50
Tonio_Riddell: it is as nice as oxygen, thiner, doesn't have any of those issues18:51
Tonio_Riddell: and would unify our graphical integration for gtk18:51
Tonio_Riddell: do you think this is a debattable point for lucid +1 ?18:51
Tonio_Riddell: see http://toniox.org/temp/rekonq1.png <- the good one18:55
Tonio_Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/rekonq2.png <- the bad18:55
Tonio_Riddell: also, for netbooks qtcurve would be a good choice too, since it makes evrerything on the screen smaller...18:56
Tonio_any opinion guys ?18:56
Xand3rhey apachelogger i think libplasma-dev is broken, not all includes files are installed.19:04
yuriy_workTonio_: I think the first thing should be to bug the oxygen devs to fix it because the glitchy looking webpages are a bug.  then i think it would be good to discuss for lucid+1 but my personal preference would be to stick with KDE (oxygen)19:07
Xand3rapachelogger: ignor me, i was wrong19:24
ewoernerhi19:27
ewoerneri'm wondering whether it would make sense to build kde packages with -DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL=on19:27
ewoerner(at least those that build with the option)19:28
Tonio_yuriy_work: well basically, this is not a oxygen "bug"19:28
ewoernerhas some nice effects on the size of dbg packages19:28
Tonio_just that the oxygen style itself is very big in itself19:28
ewoerneri rebuilt some of the packages, results:19:29
ewoernerkdelibs5-dbg: 50.3 MB -> 36.6 MB19:29
ewoernerkdepimlibs-dbg: 14.4 MB -> 2.2 MB19:29
ewoernerkdebase-dbg: 14.4 MB -> 9.9 MB19:29
JontheEchidnathe checkboxes may be smaller, but the pushbuttons and comboboxes are larger with qtcurve19:31
JontheEchidnaplus qtcurve is in general not as shiny as oxygen19:31
ewoernerin theory, size of the other binaries should also go down, but this is barely noticable:19:32
ewoernerkdelibs5: 7.1 MB -> 7.0 MB19:32
JontheEchidnaTo make things fit you'd have to switch to the QtCurve window decoration, which is not as good as Oxygen's19:36
JontheEchidnae.g. the windeco buttons look no different focused or unfocused19:36
* Lex79 is thinking to build phonon from kdesupport and remove it from Qt19:37
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Tonio_JontheEchidna: bah... oxygen windeco + qtcurve theme are not bad19:40
JontheEchidnathe gradient totally ruins things19:40
Tonio_JontheEchidna: not as bad as broken webbrowsing + different theme for qt and gtk19:41
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but that's fine19:41
Tonio_JontheEchidna: if we want to read again and again that kubuntu lacks integration because we release with bugs such as "the most visited website in the world seems buggy" that's fine :)19:41
Tonio_JontheEchidna: seriously, I'd like our users to be able to browse the web without firefox19:42
sputnikrockHi!19:42
JontheEchidnainstead we'd be known as "that bastard child distro that screws up upstream's artwork decisions by mixing theme components"19:42
Tonio_JontheEchidna: and yes, the gradiant in qtcurve isn't that good :)19:42
sputnikrocki've got a recursive problem between KDE and Ubuntu...19:42
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but to make it simple, it's easier to deal with qtcurve globally (web, netbooks...) that with oxygen19:43
yuriy_worki do think that checkboxes being too big to fit right on webpages should be considered a bug. have the developers responded otherwise on a report somewhere?19:43
sputnikrockThere is a bug in the userconfig module19:43
sputnikrockbut KDE and ubuntu-bug refuse to accept the report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22656719:43
Tonio_JontheEchidna: do  you really think that would be it ? I'm not sure19:43
ubottuKDE bug 226567 in general "User management in System Settings fails to load" [Crash,Resolved: downstream]19:43
Tonio_JontheEchidna: most distros release with a theme19:43
Tonio_JontheEchidna: we're the only one which releases with a full flavor kde19:44
Tonio_which is good, at some points19:44
JontheEchidnaand we're known as "the distro that doesn't mess things up" by upstream at the moment19:44
JontheEchidnaat least theming-wise19:44
Tonio_JontheEchidna: yeah, but we're know as "the distro which lacks integration" by many users too19:44
Tonio_JontheEchidna: and I think you can understand why I'm not very confortable with gmail broken on our browser...19:45
Tonio_;)19:45
yuriy_worksputnikrock: ubuntu-bug is probably choking up because of PPA packages.19:45
Tonio_JontheEchidna: especially since the problem will be :19:46
Tonio_oxygen theme -> khtml/webkit should fit the space correctly19:46
Tonio_webkit/khtml -> oxygen is buggy19:46
Tonio_yeah...19:46
yuriy_worksputnikrock: the KDE response is correct, userconfig is not part of KDE (still on my TODO list)19:46
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but nevermind, that was just a proposition19:46
JontheEchidnaseems to me that there is a bug with QtWebkit: http://imagebin.ca/view/WNNKx5wm.html (khtml vs rekonq)19:47
Tonio_I see several issues with oxygen, none with qtcurve (except from 'john doe may not like it'), I proposed, that's fine19:47
Tonio_JontheEchidna: enable the ajax guy with konqueror -> same issue19:48
sputnikrockyuriy_work: Great! I agree that both may be valid, but the thing is: There is no place to report this! Is it??19:48
yuriy_worksputnikrock: it's probably a bug in the kde bindings packages for 4.4, you can file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+filebug/?no-redirect19:48
Tonio_JontheEchidna: to make this happen you have to change your browser identification19:48
sputnikrockThank you, yuriy_work! :)19:48
sputnikrockthere is another problem with that: Ubuntu-bug does not accept bug reports for ubuntu-bug... Ah... well, yes! I could report it there, too! :) Thanks, yuriy_work!19:49
yuriy_worksputnikrock: I think you have to give ubuntu-bug source package names, or at least binary package names, not just the name of the program19:50
yuriy_worksputnikrock: in other words, there is no package called "ubuntu-bug" so you can't file a bug against it19:50
sputnikrockok.19:51
yuriy_worksputnikrock: i think it's part of the "apport" package but not sure (apt-file is useful for finding these things)19:52
sputnikrockThe new system is still a bit confusing ... ;)19:52
sputnikrockok19:52
Tonio_JontheEchidna: http://toniox.org/temp/konqueror.png see ;)19:55
JontheEchidnayeah, and that's a QtWebkit but that should be fixed.19:55
JontheEchidnaer, oxygen19:55
JontheEchidnanot qtwebkit19:56
JontheEchidnamaybe both ;)19:56
Tonio_JontheEchidna: it's not a bug19:58
Tonio_JontheEchidna: it's just that oxygen is the only theme that big19:59
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I wouldn't consider this a bug imho19:59
Tonio_JontheEchidna: but nevermind, I know we won't change, it'll not be fixed upstream aswell, and in 3 years it might be exactelly the same :)20:00
JontheEchidnawell, it definitely won't if nobody files a bug with oxygen. they have been known to fix stuff in the past when it didn't work well with QtWebkit20:00
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I will report the bug20:06
Tonio_JontheEchidna: just... I'm not comfortablbe with the fact our users, in 2010, on a LTS kubuntu, will have a bad browsing experience20:07
Tonio_JontheEchidna: releasing with konq is another issue to me20:07
JontheEchidnaseems it is a QtWebKit bug too: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18761820:09
ubottuKDE bug 187618 in style "Oxygen theme looks bad in webkit" [Normal,Resolved: invalid]20:09
Tonio_JontheEchidna: hum bad category imho, since khtml as the same issue20:10
Tonio_JontheEchidna: as I said earlier :)20:11
Tonio_JontheEchidna: nobody will fix cause everyone will consider the bug is the other project :)20:11
JontheEchidnaoxygen's explanation seems logical20:11
JontheEchidnasimilar bugs have been reported and fixed by QtWebkit too: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2427520:12
ubottubugs.webkit.org bug 24275 in WebKit Qt "Broken line edit theming in QtWebKit" [Major,Resolved: fixed]20:12
Tonio_JontheEchidna: so we should report to both qtwebkit and khtml ?20:13
JontheEchidnayeah20:13
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I'll report to the 3 projects, and we'll see20:14
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I still think this is an oxygen issue, since all other themes do work, but it could be webkit20:16
JontheEchidnahmm, could be an oxygen issue. it looks like the checkbox just doesn't scale, looking at it in Qt Designer20:24
JontheEchidnathough after a certain size, bugs start appearing with the qtcurve checkbox too :P20:26
JontheEchidnaanyways, it's definitely a bug with something20:27
JontheEchidnabut making the rest of the desktop experience inconsistent isn't really an option either, imo20:27
JontheEchidnawe just trade one set of rough patches seen by default for another set20:28
ryanakcaAny objection to me merging kde-style-qtcurve? Debian has a new upstream release.20:29
JontheEchidnaryanakca: oh, I did that a few hours ago. Sorry :(20:30
ryanakcaJontheEchidna: No worries20:30
txwikinger2hi ryanakca20:34
ryanakcaHi txwikinger220:34
txwikinger2ryanakca: I am not in Canada atm :)20:34
ryanakcatxwikinger2: Ah, where are you now? :)20:35
sputnikrockyuriy_work: Thanks for the help! - There is already a patch on the way! :) Great!20:43
JontheEchidnasputnikrock: actually that's most likely a different issue20:44
JontheEchidnathe symtoms are the same though20:44
sputnikrock:(20:45
sputnikrockI see20:45
sputnikrockThis is the launchpad bug, if you are interested, JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+bug/52230920:46
ubottuUbuntu bug 522309 in kdebindings "User management in System Settings fails to load" [Undecided,Invalid]20:46
Tonio_JontheEchidna: I'd tend to agree20:46
JontheEchidnasputnikrock: I already closed it, since it's an upstream bug and not a bug with the kubuntu packages20:46
somekoolnew packages for 4.4.0 just came out ?20:46
sputnikrockok20:46
Tonio_JontheEchidna: just I think eventually switching to  qtcurve wouldn't make the rest of the desktop experience inconsistent......20:46
sputnikrockyou will know how to handle it.20:47
Tonio_JontheEchidna: that was a mere troll :)20:47
JontheEchidnaheh20:47
sputnikrockThanks for the attention and work anyway!20:47
sputnikrockIn the moment it is not easy to report such a bug...20:47
sputnikrock;)20:47
somekoolKDE 4.4 really rocks20:48
JontheEchidnasomekool: there have been a few packaging updates over the last few days, yes20:48
Tonio_JontheEchidna: it wouldn't be as fancy, eventually20:48
somekooli mean... 4.2 was very good and and 4.3 really excellent but 4.4 is really awesome.20:48
ghostcubeyep 4.4 is a ++20:49
JontheEchidnasomekool: I think Riddell uploaded a security fix for the screensaver lock yesterday, which is probably what you're seeing20:49
somekool95 packages, it feels strange after I just updated to 4.420:53
Riddella pleasing if cautious approval from Ars "I wanted to note that I'm increasingly satisfied with Kubuntu as a KDE distribution" http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-semantic-desktop-starts-to-show-in-kde-sc-44.ars21:19
JontheEchidnaha, I was about to post a "hey, kubuntu just got used in an ars article" for that very article21:22
Riddellhe even used a daily CD, nice to know they're working :)21:25
JontheEchidnaI do wonder what his remaining niggles with Kubuntu are...21:27
Riddellhad any luck with the timeline ioslave?  none of the folders contain anything for me21:27
JontheEchidnaI did have it working before virtuoso 6.x21:29
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JontheEchidnaTonio__: http://imagebin.ca/view/WDfgOte.html22:10
JontheEchidnathe checkmark could use a little work, but if we can figure that out we can patch the size of the checkbox in kdebase-runtime22:10
JontheEchidnaso if we can't convince the oxygen devs, we can do it ourselves22:12
Riddellhi rickspencer3, did you hear back from the mozilla guy?22:15
JontheEchidnajust have to figure out how to make the check smaller while keeping the same general shape... I'm not so good at QPainter though :P22:15
rickspencer3Riddell, nope22:15
rickspencer3ping me tomorrow, and I'll resend22:15
rickspencer3Note that it's a national holiday in the US, so no point in pinging him today anyway22:16
JontheEchidnaooh, pizza is here...22:17
Riddelloh yes, I hope you were celebrating your president, or whatever it is you're ment to be doing today22:17
JontheEchidnaIt's more of celebrating all presidents, past and present, though that apparently doesn't stop some people for praying for the current one's death today :/22:18
* JontheEchidna goes off to eat22:18
Riddellharsh22:19
Nightrose[22:27:54] <Riddell> had any luck with the timeline ioslave?  none of the folders contain anything for me22:33
NightroseRiddell: same here22:33
RiddellNightrose: something to be looked into for sure22:48
JontheEchidnacan anybody with powas take a look at bug 522381?22:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522381 in karmic-backports "Backport for Konversation 1.2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52238122:49
Riddellhttp://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/02/perfect-kubuntu-desktop-installation/  wonder where they got the weird kubuntu logo with hexagon22:49
RiddellJontheEchidna: one sec22:49
RiddellJontheEchidna: it's source 3.0 format, this may not work22:53
JontheEchidnahmm, I thought I removed that folder22:54
JontheEchidnaI did :)22:54
JontheEchidnashouldn't be source format 3.0, and it built fine on the karmic KDE 4.4 ppa22:54
JontheEchidnaI suppose I did forget to metion removing source/format in debian/changelog22:55
Riddellhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/1.2.3-1ubuntu1 says otherwise22:55
JontheEchidnaRiddell: no, the backport I attached to the bug :)22:56
Riddellohhh22:56
RiddellJontheEchidna: you should be able to upload that22:56
RiddellI think backports doesn't care about main/universe22:57
JontheEchidnadidn't work last time I tried. I'll try again though22:57
Riddellmaybe you can't then22:57
JontheEchidnaRiddell: let me get a new diff.gz, I have a few things in debian/changelog that need tidying22:58
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yeah, when I uploaded it got rejected23:03
JontheEchidnaRiddell: there's a new version with an enhanced debian/changelog in the bug23:03
JontheEchidnaugh, now LP asks if your attachement is a patch...23:04
JontheEchidnaok, the diff.gz is really there now :)23:04
Riddellthe patches question is for the forthcoming "show me all the patches" view23:06
JontheEchidnaAnybody on Karmic using the KDE 4.4 PPA and also use Konversation?23:21
JontheEchidnaIf so, could you see if you have the Konversation 1.2.3 update installed and test to see if it runs?23:21
JontheEchidnaa comment stating that it runs at bug 522381 would be helpful23:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522381 in karmic-backports "Backport for Konversation 1.2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52238123:22
JontheEchidnaoh, nevermind. it was accepted :)23:27

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