[00:05] <_Groo_> join #bespin
[00:06] <_Groo_> whats the bespin decorator channel, anyone knows
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> might not have one
[02:07] <neversfelde> I am not sure about the current status of the MOTU team, but I planned to join it for years now, so I wrote an application
[02:08] <neversfelde> would be great, if you could write an endorsement
[02:08] <neversfelde> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication
[02:09] <neversfelde> if you got in touch with me in the past :)
[02:25] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: endorsed
[02:26] <jjesse> hey guys, lucid problems, on my vm after i login i have a black screen with nothing else, nothing runs, no plasma, nothing
[02:28] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: thank you
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> no prob, good luck
[02:36] <jjesse> anyone?
[02:37] <daskreech> jjesse: Youhave autologin ?
[02:41] <jjesse> daskreech: nope
[02:42] <jjesse> after i put in my username/password black screen only thing that shows is my mouse
[07:36] <apachelogger> did anyone fix the insanity of python-kde4 on lucid?
[07:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[07:47] <Riddell> just uploaded a fix
[07:48] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's a jurist?
[07:48] <Riddell> germany should be capitalised
[07:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: your feedback on neversfelde's page doesn't have your name
[07:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: molto bene!
[07:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurist
[07:55] <Riddell> that article is mostly about how the term doesn't exist :)
[07:56] <apachelogger> yeah ;)
[07:56] <apachelogger> the first couple of lines explain what a jurist does
[08:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't see no new kdebindings on launchpad :S
[08:04] <Riddell> hmm, upload failed, retried
[08:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, since you were working on that ibus stuff as well ... the current Qt backport includes the ibus-as-default patch, which apparently breaks dead keys on karmic
[08:04] <apachelogger> however they seem to be working on lucid
[08:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you ok with removing that patch in the backport?
[08:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes that's fine
[08:07] <apachelogger> ok, uploading then
[08:07] <Riddell> thanks
[08:26] <ghostcube> morning :)
[08:45] <Riddell> agateau: new libindicate-qt packaged, it neeeds the message indicator recompiled.  when I ping myself though the icon doesn't change
[08:48] <ghostcube> 4.4 final working fine :)
[08:49] <Riddell> agateau: uploaded anyway
[08:49] <agateau> Riddell: ok, thanks
[08:49] <agateau> Riddell: I plan to work on MI today, giving a try at seele suggestions
[08:50] <agateau> hopefully releasing today
[08:50] <Riddell> agateau: if I add the message indicator to both the systray and the panel, plasma crashes
[08:50] <agateau> Riddell: this is fixed in bzr
[08:50] <Riddell> groovy
[09:43] <doc___> hi there
[09:45] <Riddell> hi doc___
[09:49] <apachelogger> uha
[09:49] <apachelogger> libkdepim4 depends on kmail
[09:49] <apachelogger> how unexpected -.-
[09:51] <apachelogger> right libmessageviewer links against libmessagecore
[09:52] <apachelogger> where former is in libkdepim4 and latter is in kmail
[09:52] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:53] <Riddell> sounds like libmessagecore is in the wrong place
[09:53] <agateau> can I say, spaghetti?
[09:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is more libmessage*
[09:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: I sent a mail to the list
[09:54]  * apachelogger is currently trying to find a dep chain for kweather
[10:02] <apachelogger> looks to me that kweather is not used currently
[10:02] <apachelogger> the kontact plugin for it is gone from KDE 4
[10:02] <apachelogger> :S
[10:03] <apachelogger> + the kweather kcm still shows options for the panel config :D
[10:04] <Riddell> nixternal: I moved the koffice dependencies to main, go go koffice 2
[10:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KOfficeUserReview
[10:07] <apachelogger> zander suggested that we could get a group of kubuntu users to review koffice so that we get an idea of how far away we are from replacing ooo with ko and that the ko devs also get some real user feedback for once ;)
[10:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 473197
[10:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: that'll probably need to wait until we have koffice 2 uploaded though :)
[11:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: something tells me we should test agaist 2.2 anyway
[11:10] <apachelogger> loads of goodness there
[11:10] <apachelogger> also I think the MS import filters are only in 2.2 but not 2.1
[11:23] <Mamarok> you people seen these news already? http://meego.com
[11:28] <Riddell> they kept that quiet
[11:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 508091
[11:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am demonitoring kimpanel from kubuntu-bugs
[11:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: or maybe we should keep monitoring, to ensure nothing gets reported there accidently
[11:34]  * apachelogger would really love if malone had a redirect-reports-feature to ensure stuff does not get reported against old, unwatched source pckages
[11:34] <Riddell> removed
[11:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx
[11:53] <ejat>   kopete-cryptography: Depends: libkleo4 (= 4:4.3.2-0ubuntu6) but 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed
[11:53] <ejat> :(
[11:55] <ejat> could some rebuild kopete with 4.4
[11:56] <ejat> kopete-cryptography*
[11:56]  * apachelogger is wondering why that beast depends a precise version of the lib
[11:59] <ejat> Executable: kopete PID: 5270 Signal: 11 (Segmentation fault)
[11:59] <ejat> :(
[12:00] <apachelogger> !info kopete-cryptography
[12:00] <apachelogger> !info kopete-cryptography lucid
[12:00] <apachelogger> hm
[12:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: is anyone working on the extragear packaging?
[12:01] <ejat> thanks apachelogger
[12:01] <apachelogger> hm
[12:02] <ejat> for highlighting it :)
[12:02] <apachelogger> kopete-crypography still seems to be at 1.3.0
[12:04] <apachelogger> hm, no changes indeed
[12:05] <apachelogger> still I find the linking against precise version of libkleo weird
[12:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: Lex79 did extragear packaging, see the Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging page
[12:15] <Riddell> lucid only though
[12:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: not yet uploaded or is ubottu just providig out of date information? :)
[12:15]  * apachelogger tries to fix kopete-cryptography linking
[12:23] <apachelogger> meh
[12:23] <apachelogger> cant fix without testbuild, cant testbuild due to limited traffic -.-
[12:23] <apachelogger> oh well
[12:23] <apachelogger> ejat: uploading a rebuild
[12:26] <apachelogger> ejat: Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:26] <ejat> apachelogger: thanks
[12:26] <ejat> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/376824/
[12:26] <ejat> why the package need to be remove if want to upgrade to lucid ?
[12:27] <apachelogger> ejat: how are you upgrading anyway?
[12:27] <ejat> dist-upgrade ..
[12:27] <apachelogger> ehm
[12:27] <apachelogger> bad idea
[12:27] <ejat> owh ..
[12:27] <apachelogger> ask for support in #ubuntu+1
[12:28] <apachelogger> + that is all gnome stuff anyway
[12:28] <ejat> ok
[12:28] <apachelogger> rather offtopic here
[12:28] <ejat> there are a few kubuntu + plasma stuff in the list
[12:28]  * apachelogger leaves for brain scan
[12:55] <markey> guys, users keep asking us for Kubuntu packages of Amarok 2.3-Beta
[12:55] <markey> do we have some?
[13:01] <Riddell> markey: not yet I'm afraid
[13:08] <markey> Riddell: ah ok. can you let us know when you have them? that would be nice :)
[13:19] <somekool> hi there ! it seems like libkorundum4-ruby1.8 is still missing for kde 4.4.0
[13:21] <Riddell> somekool: what do you need it for?
[13:21] <Riddell> it's been renamed to korundum4 or libkde4-ruby or libkde4-ruby1.8
[13:22] <somekool> plasma applets written in ruby
[13:23] <somekool> I have those installs
[13:23] <somekool> but they dont contains the same list of .so
[13:24] <somekool> using old .so creates a segfault
[13:24] <somekool> http://qtruby.pastebin.com/m560472d4
[13:25] <somekool> http://qtruby.pastebin.com/m3131558d
[13:26] <somekool> m3131558d is the list of .so contain in the files
[13:27] <somekool> people behind korundum says there is no major changes between 4.3.x and 4.4.0
[13:28] <somekool> if the package has been renamed, it should conflict with the other, now I can have both installed..... i wonder if I did not have libkde4-ruby before well, needing both, libkde4-ruby + libkorundum4-ruby
[13:29] <somekool> but 3 .so are missing in 4.4.0
[13:29] <somekool> i dont know if there are any other information I can provide ?
[13:32] <a|wen> somekool: soprano.so is in libsoprano-ruby1.8 ... and looks like it is equivalent for the other ones that you claim "missing"
[13:33] <a|wen> eg. akonadi.so is in libakonadi-ruby1.8
[13:35] <a|wen> libplasma-ruby1.8 contains the last one
[13:40] <Riddell> as usual debian likes to split things up.  I think korundum4 should depend on all the ruby modules
[13:43]  * Riddell spots ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.tar.gz
[13:45] <Tm_T> ye
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> could somebody retry konversation and kaffeine?
[13:46] <Riddell> NCommander, ScottK, apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nixternal: schedule for meeting to discuss ncommander's kubuntu-dev application http://doodle.com/tyizyw72vm67w7qw
[13:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: pkgmanager fixed?
[13:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: retried
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> bug 520767
[13:47] <somekool> a|wen: THANK YOU !!!!
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> seems to be a pkg-create-dbgsym bug, and is hopefully fixed now
[13:47]  * a|wen wonders... kdebindings bzr branch at 100 MB and still counting ...
[13:48] <a|wen> somekool: you're welcome
[13:48] <Riddell> a|wen: which branch?
[13:48] <a|wen> Riddell: lp:ubuntu/kdebindings/lucid
[13:48] <a|wen> but looks like that is the false branch
[13:50]  * a|wen just needs to remember to pull from kubuntu-members
[13:51] <somekool> awesome, my applet is working under 4.4, i cannot see anything not working on my 4.4 desktop as of now (running 9.10)
[13:52] <a|wen> Riddell: korundum4 already suggests libokular-ruby, libplasma-ruby ... should i just add the missing ones, or should we promote it to depends while we are at it?
[13:53] <somekool> i think, if someone wants to write or use ruby applet, he wants to have all libraries available
[13:53] <Riddell> a|wen: I'd make them all depends
[13:54] <somekool> i dont know if double dependencies are possible, such as if [ korundom && soprano ] then lib-soprano-ruby; so if someone does not have soprano, it wont have the ruby lib with it. but if later on it install soprano after he already have install korundum then the ruby lib will be automatically include
[13:56] <a|wen> Riddell: committed to bzr as a new unreleased version
[13:57] <a|wen> somekool: that is not possible to do; but korundum4 in lucid will depend on all relevant ones next time it is updated
[14:00] <somekool> ok
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> yay, built: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/1.2.3-1ubuntu1/+build/1509025
[14:05] <apachelogger> ehm
[14:05] <apachelogger> sorry, but that ruby splitting is so braindead it hurts to think about
[14:06] <apachelogger> one would think that splitting that kind of stuff is on hold until someone worked out a way to enhance thes scripting stuff at runtime
[14:06] <apachelogger> but no
[14:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can't really tell when I am around for a meeting
[14:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: we don't actually have to have a meeting, we could just all quiz NCommander individually and put our thoughts on the wiki page of his
[14:09] <Riddell> kdelibs5 just got split up by debian too
[14:09] <Riddell> I don't think we should follow that for lucid
[14:10] <apachelogger> agreed
[14:10] <apachelogger> though I think splitting kdelibs makes kind of sense for non-kde users
[14:11] <ghostcube> yeah wont pull in all libs on gnome if someone wants an kde app
[14:11] <apachelogger> well
[14:11] <apachelogger> it entirely depends on how it was split :P
[14:11] <ghostcube> :D
[14:11] <apachelogger> because about any KDE app diggs into the larger portion of kdelibs anyway
[14:11] <apachelogger> so you could at best eliminiate stuff like the nepomuk stack
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> neat, the i386 iso is 10 MB under now :)
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> 5 MB to go for amd64
[14:20] <apachelogger> if ooo would be gone...
[14:21] <apachelogger> actually... if the ooo icon stack wouldnt duplicate the regular oxygen-icons it would already help a bundle :S
[14:25] <somekool> http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1087230&view=revision
[14:28] <somekool> -> "distributions may also want to grab it for their 4.4 packages until 4.4.1 is out."
[15:05] <Tonio_> hi
[15:06] <Tonio_> all "logout", "reboot" and other acpi related buttons are broken in my KDE, is that known issue ?
[15:15] <Tonio_> forced reboot
[15:15] <Tonio_> the problem's still there
[15:35] <seele> Riddell: printing!
[15:39] <claydoh> Riddell: do you forsee 4.4 moving to karmic-backports?
[15:40] <claydoh> attempting to clarify things for this http://old.nabble.com/How-to-get-useful-bug-fixes-for-KDE-4.4.-without-automatically--upgrading-to-4.5--td27592836.html
[15:40] <claydoh> as well as a wiki page and poosibel blog post
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> That would require backporting Qt 4.6, which is too risky for all the other non-KDE apps that can't cope with the behaviorial changes the Qt 4.x releases make
[15:51] <claydoh> ok
[15:52] <claydoh> tho 4.5 is some ways off still :)
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> 4.4 in the ppa will most certainly be supported until at least April, when we will have to focus our efforts of lucid+1
[15:55] <Tonio_> can someone confirm to me that the kde "restart" and "shutdown" buttons don't work ?
[15:56] <claydoh> but the user's concern of automatically getting 4.5 would still be valid if 4.5 were offered for karmic
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> it won't be offered for karmic
[15:56] <claydoh> kk
[15:56] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: works for me (tm)
[15:57] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: kk
[16:17] <ryanakca> Could someone sponsor http://revu.tauware.de/p/frescobaldi (debdiff: http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/frescobaldi_1.0.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ) please?
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: sure
[16:31] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Thanks
[17:14] <somekool> Tonio_: they work for me....
[17:15] <Tonio_> kk somekool
[17:20] <somekool> by the way ... http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1087230&view=revision fixes huge "memory leak" in plasma
[17:31] <Tm_T> somekool: when that has been committed?
[17:37] <somekool> Tm_T: february 8th, could not make it to 4.4.0
[17:37] <somekool> -> "distributions may also want to grab it for their 4.4 packages until 4.4.1 is out."
[17:41] <Lex79> Riddell: are you doing Qt 4.6.2
[17:41] <Lex79> ?
[17:41] <Riddell> Lex79: currently looking at amarok beta
[17:41] <Riddell> qt is all yours if you want it
[17:41] <Lex79> ok I'm going to do
[17:46] <Tm_T> somekool: oh, that one
[18:01] <Riddell> Nightrose, markey: is there a release schedule for amarok 2.3?
[18:02] <markey> Riddell: yes
[18:02] <markey> Riddell: sec, looking it up
[18:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: what do you need?
[18:02] <markey> Riddell: http://tinyurl.com/qj63r
[18:02] <markey> our "calendar"
[18:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: final tagging planned for end of the month but i'm not sure yet i can make that
[18:03] <Nightrose> got an exam on the 5th
[18:03] <Nightrose> so likely the weekend after the 5th
[18:03] <Nightrose> will need to see
[18:04] <Riddell> that's all good, thanks
[18:14] <Riddell> maco2 or anyone else on karmic, able to install kword?
[18:16] <Nightrose> Riddell: guess so - what di you need?
[18:17] <Riddell> Nightrose: confirmation that it would be released before lucid is, our feature freeze is nearing so need to start being careful with uploads
[18:18] <Nightrose> Riddell: nah i meant kword ;-)
[18:20] <Riddell> Nightrose: see dfaure in #kubuntu
[18:20] <Riddell> 18:19 < dfaure> Riddell: it says already there, the problem is http://pastebin.ca/1797187
[18:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: ok so i just try to install kword?
[18:21] <Riddell> yeah
[18:21] <Nightrose> k
[18:22] <Nightrose> give me a min
[18:24] <Nightrose> Riddell: works here with backports and beta ppa enabled
[18:24] <Nightrose> kword-data 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu10
[18:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know there is absolutely no way to change that right now
[18:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I noticed lots of issues with the oxygen theme and web browsing....
[18:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: all buttons are very big with it and do not fit well on gmail (just one ex) webpage
[18:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to discuss the possibility to switch to qtcurve as default theme
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is as nice as oxygen, thiner, doesn't have any of those issues
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: and would unify our graphical integration for gtk
[18:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you think this is a debattable point for lucid +1 ?
[18:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: see http://toniox.org/temp/rekonq1.png <- the good one
[18:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp/rekonq2.png <- the bad
[18:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, for netbooks qtcurve would be a good choice too, since it makes evrerything on the screen smaller...
[18:56] <Tonio_> any opinion guys ?
[19:04] <Xand3r> hey apachelogger i think libplasma-dev is broken, not all includes files are installed.
[19:07] <yuriy_work> Tonio_: I think the first thing should be to bug the oxygen devs to fix it because the glitchy looking webpages are a bug.  then i think it would be good to discuss for lucid+1 but my personal preference would be to stick with KDE (oxygen)
[19:24] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ignor me, i was wrong
[19:27] <ewoerner> hi
[19:27] <ewoerner> i'm wondering whether it would make sense to build kde packages with -DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL=on
[19:28] <ewoerner> (at least those that build with the option)
[19:28] <Tonio_> yuriy_work: well basically, this is not a oxygen "bug"
[19:28] <ewoerner> has some nice effects on the size of dbg packages
[19:28] <Tonio_> just that the oxygen style itself is very big in itself
[19:29] <ewoerner> i rebuilt some of the packages, results:
[19:29] <ewoerner> kdelibs5-dbg: 50.3 MB -> 36.6 MB
[19:29] <ewoerner> kdepimlibs-dbg: 14.4 MB -> 2.2 MB
[19:29] <ewoerner> kdebase-dbg: 14.4 MB -> 9.9 MB
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> the checkboxes may be smaller, but the pushbuttons and comboboxes are larger with qtcurve
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> plus qtcurve is in general not as shiny as oxygen
[19:32] <ewoerner> in theory, size of the other binaries should also go down, but this is barely noticable:
[19:32] <ewoerner> kdelibs5: 7.1 MB -> 7.0 MB
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> To make things fit you'd have to switch to the QtCurve window decoration, which is not as good as Oxygen's
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> e.g. the windeco buttons look no different focused or unfocused
[19:37]  * Lex79 is thinking to build phonon from kdesupport and remove it from Qt
[19:40] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: bah... oxygen windeco + qtcurve theme are not bad
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> the gradient totally ruins things
[19:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: not as bad as broken webbrowsing + different theme for qt and gtk
[19:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but that's fine
[19:41] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: if we want to read again and again that kubuntu lacks integration because we release with bugs such as "the most visited website in the world seems buggy" that's fine :)
[19:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: seriously, I'd like our users to be able to browse the web without firefox
[19:42] <sputnikrock> Hi!
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> instead we'd be known as "that bastard child distro that screws up upstream's artwork decisions by mixing theme components"
[19:42] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: and yes, the gradiant in qtcurve isn't that good :)
[19:42] <sputnikrock> i've got a recursive problem between KDE and Ubuntu...
[19:43] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but to make it simple, it's easier to deal with qtcurve globally (web, netbooks...) that with oxygen
[19:43] <yuriy_work> i do think that checkboxes being too big to fit right on webpages should be considered a bug. have the developers responded otherwise on a report somewhere?
[19:43] <sputnikrock> There is a bug in the userconfig module
[19:43] <sputnikrock> but KDE and ubuntu-bug refuse to accept the report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226567
[19:43] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: do  you really think that would be it ? I'm not sure
[19:43] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: most distros release with a theme
[19:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: we're the only one which releases with a full flavor kde
[19:44] <Tonio_> which is good, at some points
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> and we're known as "the distro that doesn't mess things up" by upstream at the moment
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> at least theming-wise
[19:44] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: yeah, but we're know as "the distro which lacks integration" by many users too
[19:45] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: and I think you can understand why I'm not very confortable with gmail broken on our browser...
[19:45] <Tonio_> ;)
[19:45] <yuriy_work> sputnikrock: ubuntu-bug is probably choking up because of PPA packages.
[19:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: especially since the problem will be :
[19:46] <Tonio_> oxygen theme -> khtml/webkit should fit the space correctly
[19:46] <Tonio_> webkit/khtml -> oxygen is buggy
[19:46] <Tonio_> yeah...
[19:46] <yuriy_work> sputnikrock: the KDE response is correct, userconfig is not part of KDE (still on my TODO list)
[19:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but nevermind, that was just a proposition
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> seems to me that there is a bug with QtWebkit: http://imagebin.ca/view/WNNKx5wm.html (khtml vs rekonq)
[19:47] <Tonio_> I see several issues with oxygen, none with qtcurve (except from 'john doe may not like it'), I proposed, that's fine
[19:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: enable the ajax guy with konqueror -> same issue
[19:48] <sputnikrock> yuriy_work: Great! I agree that both may be valid, but the thing is: There is no place to report this! Is it??
[19:48] <yuriy_work> sputnikrock: it's probably a bug in the kde bindings packages for 4.4, you can file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+filebug/?no-redirect
[19:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: to make this happen you have to change your browser identification
[19:48] <sputnikrock> Thank you, yuriy_work! :)
[19:49] <sputnikrock> there is another problem with that: Ubuntu-bug does not accept bug reports for ubuntu-bug... Ah... well, yes! I could report it there, too! :) Thanks, yuriy_work!
[19:50] <yuriy_work> sputnikrock: I think you have to give ubuntu-bug source package names, or at least binary package names, not just the name of the program
[19:50] <yuriy_work> sputnikrock: in other words, there is no package called "ubuntu-bug" so you can't file a bug against it
[19:51] <sputnikrock> ok.
[19:52] <yuriy_work> sputnikrock: i think it's part of the "apport" package but not sure (apt-file is useful for finding these things)
[19:52] <sputnikrock> The new system is still a bit confusing ... ;)
[19:52] <sputnikrock> ok
[19:55] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: http://toniox.org/temp/konqueror.png see ;)
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, and that's a QtWebkit but that should be fixed.
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> er, oxygen
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> not qtwebkit
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> maybe both ;)
[19:58] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it's not a bug
[19:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it's just that oxygen is the only theme that big
[19:59] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I wouldn't consider this a bug imho
[20:00] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: but nevermind, I know we won't change, it'll not be fixed upstream aswell, and in 3 years it might be exactelly the same :)
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> well, it definitely won't if nobody files a bug with oxygen. they have been known to fix stuff in the past when it didn't work well with QtWebkit
[20:06] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I will report the bug
[20:07] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: just... I'm not comfortablbe with the fact our users, in 2010, on a LTS kubuntu, will have a bad browsing experience
[20:07] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: releasing with konq is another issue to me
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> seems it is a QtWebKit bug too: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187618
[20:10] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum bad category imho, since khtml as the same issue
[20:11] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: as I said earlier :)
[20:11] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: nobody will fix cause everyone will consider the bug is the other project :)
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> oxygen's explanation seems logical
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> similar bugs have been reported and fixed by QtWebkit too: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24275
[20:13] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: so we should report to both qtwebkit and khtml ?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:14] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'll report to the 3 projects, and we'll see
[20:16] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I still think this is an oxygen issue, since all other themes do work, but it could be webkit
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> hmm, could be an oxygen issue. it looks like the checkbox just doesn't scale, looking at it in Qt Designer
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> though after a certain size, bugs start appearing with the qtcurve checkbox too :P
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> anyways, it's definitely a bug with something
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> but making the rest of the desktop experience inconsistent isn't really an option either, imo
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> we just trade one set of rough patches seen by default for another set
[20:29] <ryanakca> Any objection to me merging kde-style-qtcurve? Debian has a new upstream release.
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: oh, I did that a few hours ago. Sorry :(
[20:30] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: No worries
[20:34] <txwikinger2> hi ryanakca
[20:34] <ryanakca> Hi txwikinger2
[20:34] <txwikinger2> ryanakca: I am not in Canada atm :)
[20:35] <ryanakca> txwikinger2: Ah, where are you now? :)
[20:43] <sputnikrock> yuriy_work: Thanks for the help! - There is already a patch on the way! :) Great!
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> sputnikrock: actually that's most likely a different issue
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> the symtoms are the same though
[20:45] <sputnikrock> :(
[20:45] <sputnikrock> I see
[20:46] <sputnikrock> This is the launchpad bug, if you are interested, JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+bug/522309
[20:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: I'd tend to agree
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> sputnikrock: I already closed it, since it's an upstream bug and not a bug with the kubuntu packages
[20:46] <somekool> new packages for 4.4.0 just came out ?
[20:46] <sputnikrock> ok
[20:46] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: just I think eventually switching to  qtcurve wouldn't make the rest of the desktop experience inconsistent......
[20:47] <sputnikrock> you will know how to handle it.
[20:47] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: that was a mere troll :)
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:47] <sputnikrock> Thanks for the attention and work anyway!
[20:47] <sputnikrock> In the moment it is not easy to report such a bug...
[20:47] <sputnikrock> ;)
[20:48] <somekool> KDE 4.4 really rocks
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> somekool: there have been a few packaging updates over the last few days, yes
[20:48] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: it wouldn't be as fancy, eventually
[20:48] <somekool> i mean... 4.2 was very good and and 4.3 really excellent but 4.4 is really awesome.
[20:49] <ghostcube> yep 4.4 is a ++
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> somekool: I think Riddell uploaded a security fix for the screensaver lock yesterday, which is probably what you're seeing
[20:53] <somekool> 95 packages, it feels strange after I just updated to 4.4
[21:19] <Riddell> a pleasing if cautious approval from Ars "I wanted to note that I'm increasingly satisfied with Kubuntu as a KDE distribution" http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-semantic-desktop-starts-to-show-in-kde-sc-44.ars
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> ha, I was about to post a "hey, kubuntu just got used in an ars article" for that very article
[21:25] <Riddell> he even used a daily CD, nice to know they're working :)
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> I do wonder what his remaining niggles with Kubuntu are...
[21:27] <Riddell> had any luck with the timeline ioslave?  none of the folders contain anything for me
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> I did have it working before virtuoso 6.x
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> Tonio__: http://imagebin.ca/view/WDfgOte.html
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> the checkmark could use a little work, but if we can figure that out we can patch the size of the checkbox in kdebase-runtime
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> so if we can't convince the oxygen devs, we can do it ourselves
[22:15] <Riddell> hi rickspencer3, did you hear back from the mozilla guy?
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> just have to figure out how to make the check smaller while keeping the same general shape... I'm not so good at QPainter though :P
[22:15] <rickspencer3> Riddell, nope
[22:15] <rickspencer3> ping me tomorrow, and I'll resend
[22:16] <rickspencer3> Note that it's a national holiday in the US, so no point in pinging him today anyway
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> ooh, pizza is here...
[22:17] <Riddell> oh yes, I hope you were celebrating your president, or whatever it is you're ment to be doing today
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> It's more of celebrating all presidents, past and present, though that apparently doesn't stop some people for praying for the current one's death today :/
[22:18]  * JontheEchidna goes off to eat
[22:19] <Riddell> harsh
[22:33] <Nightrose> [22:27:54] <Riddell> had any luck with the timeline ioslave?  none of the folders contain anything for me
[22:33] <Nightrose> Riddell: same here
[22:48] <Riddell> Nightrose: something to be looked into for sure
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> can anybody with powas take a look at bug 522381?
[22:49] <Riddell> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/02/perfect-kubuntu-desktop-installation/  wonder where they got the weird kubuntu logo with hexagon
[22:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: one sec
[22:53] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's source 3.0 format, this may not work
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I thought I removed that folder
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> I did :)
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't be source format 3.0, and it built fine on the karmic KDE 4.4 ppa
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I did forget to metion removing source/format in debian/changelog
[22:55] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/1.2.3-1ubuntu1 says otherwise
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: no, the backport I attached to the bug :)
[22:56] <Riddell> ohhh
[22:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you should be able to upload that
[22:57] <Riddell> I think backports doesn't care about main/universe
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> didn't work last time I tried. I'll try again though
[22:57] <Riddell> maybe you can't then
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: let me get a new diff.gz, I have a few things in debian/changelog that need tidying
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, when I uploaded it got rejected
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: there's a new version with an enhanced debian/changelog in the bug
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> ugh, now LP asks if your attachement is a patch...
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> ok, the diff.gz is really there now :)
[23:06] <Riddell> the patches question is for the forthcoming "show me all the patches" view
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> Anybody on Karmic using the KDE 4.4 PPA and also use Konversation?
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> If so, could you see if you have the Konversation 1.2.3 update installed and test to see if it runs?
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> a comment stating that it runs at bug 522381 would be helpful
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, nevermind. it was accepted :)