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kwwiigood morning all09:50
thorwilgood morning!09:59
darkmattergood morning, and don't spay salt water into your head to clean out infected sinuses unless you have a high pain threshhold10:09
thorwil0.o10:15
kwwiidarkmatter: that is what pills are for10:17
kwwiiboth the infection and the pain :P10:17
darkmatterthorwil: bah. recovering from a sinus infection. decongestants, not surprisingly, do not decongest10:17
thorwilyeah, the right sort of pills can even make you think the world would be a happy place!10:19
kwwiithorwil: anything that helps ;)10:19
darkmatterkwwii: well, for the infection yes, for the pain, not really. go on, ask me how many shots I needed the last time I had a medical procedure done :P10:20
kwwii:p10:20
* darkmatter has a high tolerance to anything with an anesthetic or analgesic property. 10:20
darkmattermakes dentists and benzocaine uber fun10:24
kwwiihehe, done too much10:24
kwwiismoke break, bbiab10:25
thorwiliainfarrell: it seems Máirín (Fedora art lead) is serious about creating a platform for artwork submissions. to track, compare, discuss and develop things. much more structured than a wiki, reducing overhead and barrier to entry10:35
thorwiliainfarrell: might Canonical be interested in joining the development effort?10:35
iainfarrellthorwil: That sounds really interesting10:35
iainfarrellkwwii and I should get some details from you10:35
kwwiithorwil: right, saw that on the list10:36
iainfarrellkwwii: Do you know M?ir?n?10:36
kwwiiiainfarrell: yes10:36
thorwilhttp://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/random-idea-for-design-collaboration-tool/10:36
kwwiiiainfarrell: we've discussed this kind of thing before10:36
thorwiliainfarrell: i think her nick is mizmo. easier to type ;)10:37
kwwiiI think that her idea is not exactly what we need to be mroe procudtive10:37
kwwiierm10:37
kwwiiproductive10:37
kwwiibut the basic idea is good10:37
thorwilthe "basic idea" is still shape-able10:38
thorwili actually started an attempt at creating a google app engine thing that collects information from our flickr artwork pool10:38
thorwilto then allow people with accounts to select items (photos) for the next release10:39
darkmatterjust use gobby10:40
thorwilcurrently it looks like it's too big a task for me, though10:40
thorwildarkmatter: you could as well say: just use morse code10:41
thorwiliainfarrell: i think it would be a plus to have artwork for at least ubuntu and fedora in one place, making it easy to compare. could help spurn some cooperation/competition10:42
thorwilcould be separate instances of one codebase, too, though10:43
kwwiiI imagine that fedora has slightly different needs than we do, but the basis could easily be the same10:43
thorwilyeah, things like having categories (icons/themes/wallpapers/poster-flyer/...)10:46
thorwilautomatic thumbnails (one of the details making the wiki suck)10:46
kwwiiyepp10:47
thorwilnested comments, where each comment is associated with the version it refers to10:47
iainfarrellthorwil: Let me talk to Ken about it, sounds like it could be good but best for him to lead it10:47
thorwiliainfarrell: ok. i'm sure you will be able to talk him into taking on some additional responsibility and he will love you for it ;)10:48
kwwii:p10:49
thorwil(not meant to point to another course of action)10:49
kwwiivish: any word on a new humanity-icon-theme package?11:01
vishkwwii: working on it as we speak :)  adding 16px gpm icons is %*$% I'll request a merge by tomorrow11:02
vishsoo many icons gpm requires :(11:03
kwwiivish: cool, let me know if there is anything I can help with11:03
kwwiiluckily most of those gpm icons are never used11:04
vishyeah almost done , just need to do it again for the dark11:04
vishkwwii: the rhythmbox icon is mixed up after the app indicator update , now when rhythmbox starts it use the playing icon instead of the notplaying icon11:05
darkmattergpm is ghey ;o11:05
vishkwwii: also , the MeMenu is using icons with what labels? does it use the -panel icons?11:05
kwwiivish: yes, indeed11:06
kwwiivish: I talked to ted about that, we agreed on -panel for now11:06
kwwiivish: not sure of the names, but they should be straight forward11:06
vishkwwii: ah cool , we didnt have monochrome icon leak into empathy since it was using its own labels , but that is about to change for 2.30 , where it would also use the user-* labels... we just need to make sure the MeMenu uses the fallbacks11:07
vishwith the -panel as the main icons11:08
kwwiivish: the icons in the MeMenu are the empathy status icons11:08
kwwiivish: right, I can talk to ted about that11:08
darkmatterhmmm..... I should install amiga 4.111:15
kwwiilol11:17
kwwiiwow, they have made kmail so horribly broken that I will now switch to (eek!) thunderbird11:23
thorwilhttp://www.zacbarton.com/homosapien/customizer/12:09
zniavrehello on the artwork wiki website i remember a page with all darkroom bugs, this page still exists?12:20
thorwilzniavre: i don't recall deleting it :)12:21
zacbartonwhat do you think thorwil?12:32
thorwilzacbarton: it's a really nice demo12:33
zacbartonyeah it's shaping up quite nicely12:33
thorwilzacbarton: how did you go about implementing iz?12:35
zacbartoni coded a metacity parser in php that replicates the meatcity drawing commands but using php12:36
zacbartonso the preview actually is a preview12:36
thorwilwow. i thought it would be a simpler and hence limited solution12:37
zacbartonna ive spent some time on it :-)12:37
thorwilzacbarton: i guess more people should know about it12:38
zacbartonthorwil: yea im trying to get the word out. kinda hard to do.12:39
zacbartonthorwil: i'll keep plugging away12:39
zacbartonthorwil: i hope to add different titlebar styles and different sets of buttons at some point12:40
zacbartonthorwil: any suggestions?12:41
thorwilzacbarton: Dust and New Wave?12:42
zacbartonthorwil: so allow editing the dust and new wave themes?12:42
thorwilzacbarton: i just meant for having different titlebar styles12:44
zacbartonthorwil: right. then that definitely is do'able12:45
thorwilzacbarton: what you have here sits in an odd space between theme authoring and the limited Appearance options on the desktop12:45
zacbartonthorwil: thats where creating the parse was the right move12:45
zacbartonthorwil: yea. when i first started the theme (on gnome-look) everyone wanted things slightly differently, as i would too. so i decided to let them tweak the theme themselves12:46
thorwilit's a shame theming is so opaque, setting up a huge barrier in front of customization. it shouldn't be more difficult than changing a document template for writing letters12:48
zacbartonthorwil: yea i agree. editing xml to change just the color or rounded borders isnt very good12:49
zacbartonthorwil: so hopefully since editing themes isnt easy the tool ive created helps12:51
zniavrehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewHumanTesting   yeah found it12:54
zniavrethis page gives a good ideas of wich apps can work badly12:56
vishkwwii: neither the volume applet nor the MeMenu uses the -panel icons :(16:53
kwwiivish: yeah, I just noticed that17:01
kwwiivish: don't worry, he works for us...it *will* work17:01
vish:D17:01
kwwiivish: lol17:08
kwwiivish: I figured it out17:08
kwwiiit is no longer using 24 pixel icons17:08
vishkwwii: how do i phrase this > http://paste.ubuntu.com/376975/ , for changelog17:08
vishyeah17:08
kwwiivish: it goes directly in the panel now so it uses 22x2217:08
vishapart from that there is huge list of bugs below but that^ is the part I'm not sure how to phrase it to sound "official" ;)17:09
kwwiivish: you can add something like "Included different sizes for various icons17:26
kwwii"17:26
kwwiivish: ie, I don't need to understand everything for simple stuff like that17:26
vish;p17:26
kwwiivish: essentially, the changelog is important for me to be able to get your latest stuff and view the changes so that I can include them in ubuntu without being afraid you've b0rked something :P17:26
kwwiior included something inappropriate, etc17:27
vishand i also figured out the gtk volume icon blurriness , yay and finally included a new volume icon ;)17:27
kwwiivish: killer ;)17:28
vishgtk need a file named .png ... so i added a symlink named volume-*.png to a svg and it is solved :D17:28
vishcrappy gtk ;p17:28
kwwiivish: I am going to head back to my hotel in about half an hour. When you're happy with your changes let know and I will get it uploaded asap17:28
kwwiilol17:28
kwwiivish: funny how gtk is with that stuff, it reads the image header to determine the type but then hardcodes file name extensions17:29
vishargh! lp is killing me :/18:46
vishah! anyone know what I'm doing wrong >  bzr push lp:~vish.../ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/new18:53
vishbzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~vish.../ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/new": No such project: ubuntu-art-pkg18:53
vishkwwii: around^ ?18:53
vishbah , nvm , i gonna use humanity as root  :s18:55
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zniavregood evening19:19
zniavrethe new indicator "thing" is a part of gnome or ubuntu ?19:19
vishzniavre: huh? dint understand... canonical is doing it, if that was the question :)19:20
zniavresorry my bad english (im too old to improve it now , and you can't hear my accent hopefully)19:21
vishzniavre: actually , its not your fault English is the bad one ;)19:22
vishzniavre: is there any way to change the treeview -/+ to the old arrow?19:24
vishrather gtkexpander19:24
zniavrei do not know. using clearlooks style ?19:24
vishah right..19:24
vishthe new murrine change doesnt look good :/19:25
zniavrethe new indicator stuff change does not look good too19:25
zniavrei do not like it at all19:25
zniavrethere is no alternatives19:26
vishzniavre: heh , i use a vertical panel and it sucks even worse :/  ... all the icons[except one] are out of the screen19:26
zniavrethe "stuff" display horizontal even the panel is vertical ?19:26
vishyeah :/19:27
vishi havent restarted my session[after indicator-sound] just to prevent volume applet getting out of the screen19:27
vishindicator-sound update*19:27
zniavreim quite angry they took out the old volume applet19:31
zniavreit was my request > where to complain about that ?19:31
vishzniavre: if you remove the indicator applet  the old volume applet will return19:32
zniavreno19:32
vishbut you will also loose the the messaging menu19:32
zniavreim not social personn19:33
zniavrei do not use empathy/evolution/thunderbird/facebook19:33
vishzniavre: then you can remove the indicator applet , it is supposed to fallback to old notification area icons/applet , if it doesnt it is a bug19:33
zniavrea ok19:34
zniavreopening launchapd bug right now19:34
vishzniavre: have you restarted session after removing the indicator applet?19:35
zniavrei will try right now too 2sec19:35
zniavreso i got a bug19:36
vishyeah :/19:36
zniavregconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel19:38
zniavreoops sorry19:38
zniavrevish,  are you sure about that ? (old volume-controler coming if i delete he indicator-applet) ?20:02
vishzniavre: that was what i was told... :) i can check again if you like20:03
vishzniavre: filed the bug?20:03
zniavrenot yet im first asking question20:03
zniavrei do not know why i hav the feeling reporting a bug is much longer/complicated tahn before , im right ?20:04
vishzniavre: just asked  , if it doesnt return it is a bug20:05
zniavrefiling a bug is a real pain now ...20:10
kwwiivish: hey21:46
kwwiivish: just saw your merge request, I'll get it done and uploaded asap21:49
kwwiithanks ;)21:49
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