=== jessew_ is now known as JesseW === JesseW is now known as JesseW_ === JesseW_ is now known as JesseW__ === JesseW__ is now known as JesseW [09:50] good morning all [09:59] good morning! [10:09] good morning, and don't spay salt water into your head to clean out infected sinuses unless you have a high pain threshhold [10:15] 0.o [10:17] darkmatter: that is what pills are for [10:17] both the infection and the pain :P [10:17] thorwil: bah. recovering from a sinus infection. decongestants, not surprisingly, do not decongest [10:19] yeah, the right sort of pills can even make you think the world would be a happy place! [10:19] thorwil: anything that helps ;) [10:20] kwwii: well, for the infection yes, for the pain, not really. go on, ask me how many shots I needed the last time I had a medical procedure done :P [10:20] :p [10:20] * darkmatter has a high tolerance to anything with an anesthetic or analgesic property. [10:24] makes dentists and benzocaine uber fun [10:24] hehe, done too much [10:25] smoke break, bbiab [10:35] iainfarrell: it seems Máirín (Fedora art lead) is serious about creating a platform for artwork submissions. to track, compare, discuss and develop things. much more structured than a wiki, reducing overhead and barrier to entry [10:35] iainfarrell: might Canonical be interested in joining the development effort? [10:35] thorwil: That sounds really interesting [10:35] kwwii and I should get some details from you [10:36] thorwil: right, saw that on the list [10:36] kwwii: Do you know M?ir?n? [10:36] iainfarrell: yes [10:36] http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/random-idea-for-design-collaboration-tool/ [10:36] iainfarrell: we've discussed this kind of thing before [10:37] iainfarrell: i think her nick is mizmo. easier to type ;) [10:37] I think that her idea is not exactly what we need to be mroe procudtive [10:37] erm [10:37] productive [10:37] but the basic idea is good [10:38] the "basic idea" is still shape-able [10:38] i actually started an attempt at creating a google app engine thing that collects information from our flickr artwork pool [10:39] to then allow people with accounts to select items (photos) for the next release [10:40] just use gobby [10:40] currently it looks like it's too big a task for me, though [10:41] darkmatter: you could as well say: just use morse code [10:42] iainfarrell: i think it would be a plus to have artwork for at least ubuntu and fedora in one place, making it easy to compare. could help spurn some cooperation/competition [10:43] could be separate instances of one codebase, too, though [10:43] I imagine that fedora has slightly different needs than we do, but the basis could easily be the same [10:46] yeah, things like having categories (icons/themes/wallpapers/poster-flyer/...) [10:46] automatic thumbnails (one of the details making the wiki suck) [10:47] yepp [10:47] nested comments, where each comment is associated with the version it refers to [10:47] thorwil: Let me talk to Ken about it, sounds like it could be good but best for him to lead it [10:48] iainfarrell: ok. i'm sure you will be able to talk him into taking on some additional responsibility and he will love you for it ;) [10:49] :p [10:49] (not meant to point to another course of action) [11:01] vish: any word on a new humanity-icon-theme package? [11:02] kwwii: working on it as we speak :) adding 16px gpm icons is %*$% I'll request a merge by tomorrow [11:03] soo many icons gpm requires :( [11:03] vish: cool, let me know if there is anything I can help with [11:04] luckily most of those gpm icons are never used [11:04] yeah almost done , just need to do it again for the dark [11:05] kwwii: the rhythmbox icon is mixed up after the app indicator update , now when rhythmbox starts it use the playing icon instead of the notplaying icon [11:05] gpm is ghey ;o [11:05] kwwii: also , the MeMenu is using icons with what labels? does it use the -panel icons? [11:06] vish: yes, indeed [11:06] vish: I talked to ted about that, we agreed on -panel for now [11:06] vish: not sure of the names, but they should be straight forward [11:07] kwwii: ah cool , we didnt have monochrome icon leak into empathy since it was using its own labels , but that is about to change for 2.30 , where it would also use the user-* labels... we just need to make sure the MeMenu uses the fallbacks [11:08] with the -panel as the main icons [11:08] vish: the icons in the MeMenu are the empathy status icons [11:08] vish: right, I can talk to ted about that [11:15] hmmm..... I should install amiga 4.1 [11:17] lol [11:23] wow, they have made kmail so horribly broken that I will now switch to (eek!) thunderbird [12:09] http://www.zacbarton.com/homosapien/customizer/ [12:20] hello on the artwork wiki website i remember a page with all darkroom bugs, this page still exists? [12:21] zniavre: i don't recall deleting it :) [12:32] what do you think thorwil? [12:33] zacbarton: it's a really nice demo [12:33] yeah it's shaping up quite nicely [12:35] zacbarton: how did you go about implementing iz? [12:36] i coded a metacity parser in php that replicates the meatcity drawing commands but using php [12:36] so the preview actually is a preview [12:37] wow. i thought it would be a simpler and hence limited solution [12:37] na ive spent some time on it :-) [12:38] zacbarton: i guess more people should know about it [12:39] thorwil: yea im trying to get the word out. kinda hard to do. [12:39] thorwil: i'll keep plugging away [12:40] thorwil: i hope to add different titlebar styles and different sets of buttons at some point [12:41] thorwil: any suggestions? [12:42] zacbarton: Dust and New Wave? [12:42] thorwil: so allow editing the dust and new wave themes? [12:44] zacbarton: i just meant for having different titlebar styles [12:45] thorwil: right. then that definitely is do'able [12:45] zacbarton: what you have here sits in an odd space between theme authoring and the limited Appearance options on the desktop [12:45] thorwil: thats where creating the parse was the right move [12:46] thorwil: yea. when i first started the theme (on gnome-look) everyone wanted things slightly differently, as i would too. so i decided to let them tweak the theme themselves [12:48] it's a shame theming is so opaque, setting up a huge barrier in front of customization. it shouldn't be more difficult than changing a document template for writing letters [12:49] thorwil: yea i agree. editing xml to change just the color or rounded borders isnt very good [12:51] thorwil: so hopefully since editing themes isnt easy the tool ive created helps [12:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewHumanTesting yeah found it [12:56] this page gives a good ideas of wich apps can work badly [16:53] kwwii: neither the volume applet nor the MeMenu uses the -panel icons :( [17:01] vish: yeah, I just noticed that [17:01] vish: don't worry, he works for us...it *will* work [17:01] :D [17:08] vish: lol [17:08] vish: I figured it out [17:08] it is no longer using 24 pixel icons [17:08] kwwii: how do i phrase this > http://paste.ubuntu.com/376975/ , for changelog [17:08] yeah [17:08] vish: it goes directly in the panel now so it uses 22x22 [17:09] apart from that there is huge list of bugs below but that^ is the part I'm not sure how to phrase it to sound "official" ;) [17:26] vish: you can add something like "Included different sizes for various icons [17:26] " [17:26] vish: ie, I don't need to understand everything for simple stuff like that [17:26] ;p [17:26] vish: essentially, the changelog is important for me to be able to get your latest stuff and view the changes so that I can include them in ubuntu without being afraid you've b0rked something :P [17:27] or included something inappropriate, etc [17:27] and i also figured out the gtk volume icon blurriness , yay and finally included a new volume icon ;) [17:28] vish: killer ;) [17:28] gtk need a file named .png ... so i added a symlink named volume-*.png to a svg and it is solved :D [17:28] crappy gtk ;p [17:28] vish: I am going to head back to my hotel in about half an hour. When you're happy with your changes let know and I will get it uploaded asap [17:28] lol [17:29] vish: funny how gtk is with that stuff, it reads the image header to determine the type but then hardcodes file name extensions [18:46] argh! lp is killing me :/ [18:53] ah! anyone know what I'm doing wrong > bzr push lp:~vish.../ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/new [18:53] bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~vish.../ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/new": No such project: ubuntu-art-pkg [18:53] kwwii: around^ ? [18:55] bah , nvm , i gonna use humanity as root :s === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [19:19] good evening [19:19] the new indicator "thing" is a part of gnome or ubuntu ? [19:20] zniavre: huh? dint understand... canonical is doing it, if that was the question :) [19:21] sorry my bad english (im too old to improve it now , and you can't hear my accent hopefully) [19:22] zniavre: actually , its not your fault English is the bad one ;) [19:24] zniavre: is there any way to change the treeview -/+ to the old arrow? [19:24] rather gtkexpander [19:24] i do not know. using clearlooks style ? [19:24] ah right.. [19:25] the new murrine change doesnt look good :/ [19:25] the new indicator stuff change does not look good too [19:25] i do not like it at all [19:26] there is no alternatives [19:26] zniavre: heh , i use a vertical panel and it sucks even worse :/ ... all the icons[except one] are out of the screen [19:26] the "stuff" display horizontal even the panel is vertical ? [19:27] yeah :/ [19:27] i havent restarted my session[after indicator-sound] just to prevent volume applet getting out of the screen [19:27] indicator-sound update* [19:31] im quite angry they took out the old volume applet [19:31] it was my request > where to complain about that ? [19:32] zniavre: if you remove the indicator applet the old volume applet will return [19:32] no [19:32] but you will also loose the the messaging menu [19:33] im not social personn [19:33] i do not use empathy/evolution/thunderbird/facebook [19:33] zniavre: then you can remove the indicator applet , it is supposed to fallback to old notification area icons/applet , if it doesnt it is a bug [19:34] a ok [19:34] opening launchapd bug right now [19:35] zniavre: have you restarted session after removing the indicator applet? [19:35] i will try right now too 2sec [19:36] so i got a bug [19:36] yeah :/ [19:38] gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel [19:38] oops sorry [20:02] vish, are you sure about that ? (old volume-controler coming if i delete he indicator-applet) ? [20:03] zniavre: that was what i was told... :) i can check again if you like [20:03] zniavre: filed the bug? [20:03] not yet im first asking question [20:04] i do not know why i hav the feeling reporting a bug is much longer/complicated tahn before , im right ? [20:05] zniavre: just asked , if it doesnt return it is a bug [20:10] filing a bug is a real pain now ... [21:46] vish: hey [21:49] vish: just saw your merge request, I'll get it done and uploaded asap [21:49] thanks ;) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic