[09:50] <kwwii> good morning all
[09:59] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:09] <darkmatter> good morning, and don't spay salt water into your head to clean out infected sinuses unless you have a high pain threshhold
[10:15] <thorwil> 0.o
[10:17] <kwwii> darkmatter: that is what pills are for
[10:17] <kwwii> both the infection and the pain :P
[10:17] <darkmatter> thorwil: bah. recovering from a sinus infection. decongestants, not surprisingly, do not decongest
[10:19] <thorwil> yeah, the right sort of pills can even make you think the world would be a happy place!
[10:19] <kwwii> thorwil: anything that helps ;)
[10:20] <darkmatter> kwwii: well, for the infection yes, for the pain, not really. go on, ask me how many shots I needed the last time I had a medical procedure done :P
[10:20] <kwwii> :p
[10:20]  * darkmatter has a high tolerance to anything with an anesthetic or analgesic property. 
[10:24] <darkmatter> makes dentists and benzocaine uber fun
[10:24] <kwwii> hehe, done too much
[10:25] <kwwii> smoke break, bbiab
[10:35] <thorwil> iainfarrell: it seems Máirín (Fedora art lead) is serious about creating a platform for artwork submissions. to track, compare, discuss and develop things. much more structured than a wiki, reducing overhead and barrier to entry
[10:35] <thorwil> iainfarrell: might Canonical be interested in joining the development effort?
[10:35] <iainfarrell> thorwil: That sounds really interesting
[10:35] <iainfarrell> kwwii and I should get some details from you
[10:36] <kwwii> thorwil: right, saw that on the list
[10:36] <iainfarrell> kwwii: Do you know M?ir?n?
[10:36] <kwwii> iainfarrell: yes
[10:36] <thorwil> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/02/13/random-idea-for-design-collaboration-tool/
[10:36] <kwwii> iainfarrell: we've discussed this kind of thing before
[10:37] <thorwil> iainfarrell: i think her nick is mizmo. easier to type ;)
[10:37] <kwwii> I think that her idea is not exactly what we need to be mroe procudtive
[10:37] <kwwii> erm
[10:37] <kwwii> productive
[10:37] <kwwii> but the basic idea is good
[10:38] <thorwil> the "basic idea" is still shape-able
[10:38] <thorwil> i actually started an attempt at creating a google app engine thing that collects information from our flickr artwork pool
[10:39] <thorwil> to then allow people with accounts to select items (photos) for the next release
[10:40] <darkmatter> just use gobby
[10:40] <thorwil> currently it looks like it's too big a task for me, though
[10:41] <thorwil> darkmatter: you could as well say: just use morse code
[10:42] <thorwil> iainfarrell: i think it would be a plus to have artwork for at least ubuntu and fedora in one place, making it easy to compare. could help spurn some cooperation/competition
[10:43] <thorwil> could be separate instances of one codebase, too, though
[10:43] <kwwii> I imagine that fedora has slightly different needs than we do, but the basis could easily be the same
[10:46] <thorwil> yeah, things like having categories (icons/themes/wallpapers/poster-flyer/...)
[10:46] <thorwil> automatic thumbnails (one of the details making the wiki suck)
[10:47] <kwwii> yepp
[10:47] <thorwil> nested comments, where each comment is associated with the version it refers to
[10:47] <iainfarrell> thorwil: Let me talk to Ken about it, sounds like it could be good but best for him to lead it
[10:48] <thorwil> iainfarrell: ok. i'm sure you will be able to talk him into taking on some additional responsibility and he will love you for it ;)
[10:49] <kwwii> :p
[10:49] <thorwil> (not meant to point to another course of action)
[11:01] <kwwii> vish: any word on a new humanity-icon-theme package?
[11:02] <vish> kwwii: working on it as we speak :)  adding 16px gpm icons is %*$% I'll request a merge by tomorrow
[11:03] <vish> soo many icons gpm requires :(
[11:03] <kwwii> vish: cool, let me know if there is anything I can help with
[11:04] <kwwii> luckily most of those gpm icons are never used
[11:04] <vish> yeah almost done , just need to do it again for the dark
[11:05] <vish> kwwii: the rhythmbox icon is mixed up after the app indicator update , now when rhythmbox starts it use the playing icon instead of the notplaying icon
[11:05] <darkmatter> gpm is ghey ;o
[11:05] <vish> kwwii: also , the MeMenu is using icons with what labels? does it use the -panel icons?
[11:06] <kwwii> vish: yes, indeed
[11:06] <kwwii> vish: I talked to ted about that, we agreed on -panel for now
[11:06] <kwwii> vish: not sure of the names, but they should be straight forward
[11:07] <vish> kwwii: ah cool , we didnt have monochrome icon leak into empathy since it was using its own labels , but that is about to change for 2.30 , where it would also use the user-* labels... we just need to make sure the MeMenu uses the fallbacks
[11:08] <vish> with the -panel as the main icons
[11:08] <kwwii> vish: the icons in the MeMenu are the empathy status icons
[11:08] <kwwii> vish: right, I can talk to ted about that
[11:15] <darkmatter> hmmm..... I should install amiga 4.1
[11:17] <kwwii> lol
[11:23] <kwwii> wow, they have made kmail so horribly broken that I will now switch to (eek!) thunderbird
[12:09] <thorwil> http://www.zacbarton.com/homosapien/customizer/
[12:20] <zniavre> hello on the artwork wiki website i remember a page with all darkroom bugs, this page still exists?
[12:21] <thorwil> zniavre: i don't recall deleting it :)
[12:32] <zacbarton> what do you think thorwil?
[12:33] <thorwil> zacbarton: it's a really nice demo
[12:33] <zacbarton> yeah it's shaping up quite nicely
[12:35] <thorwil> zacbarton: how did you go about implementing iz?
[12:36] <zacbarton> i coded a metacity parser in php that replicates the meatcity drawing commands but using php
[12:36] <zacbarton> so the preview actually is a preview
[12:37] <thorwil> wow. i thought it would be a simpler and hence limited solution
[12:37] <zacbarton> na ive spent some time on it :-)
[12:38] <thorwil> zacbarton: i guess more people should know about it
[12:39] <zacbarton> thorwil: yea im trying to get the word out. kinda hard to do.
[12:39] <zacbarton> thorwil: i'll keep plugging away
[12:40] <zacbarton> thorwil: i hope to add different titlebar styles and different sets of buttons at some point
[12:41] <zacbarton> thorwil: any suggestions?
[12:42] <thorwil> zacbarton: Dust and New Wave?
[12:42] <zacbarton> thorwil: so allow editing the dust and new wave themes?
[12:44] <thorwil> zacbarton: i just meant for having different titlebar styles
[12:45] <zacbarton> thorwil: right. then that definitely is do'able
[12:45] <thorwil> zacbarton: what you have here sits in an odd space between theme authoring and the limited Appearance options on the desktop
[12:45] <zacbarton> thorwil: thats where creating the parse was the right move
[12:46] <zacbarton> thorwil: yea. when i first started the theme (on gnome-look) everyone wanted things slightly differently, as i would too. so i decided to let them tweak the theme themselves
[12:48] <thorwil> it's a shame theming is so opaque, setting up a huge barrier in front of customization. it shouldn't be more difficult than changing a document template for writing letters
[12:49] <zacbarton> thorwil: yea i agree. editing xml to change just the color or rounded borders isnt very good
[12:51] <zacbarton> thorwil: so hopefully since editing themes isnt easy the tool ive created helps
[12:54] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewHumanTesting   yeah found it
[12:56] <zniavre> this page gives a good ideas of wich apps can work badly
[16:53] <vish> kwwii: neither the volume applet nor the MeMenu uses the -panel icons :(
[17:01] <kwwii> vish: yeah, I just noticed that
[17:01] <kwwii> vish: don't worry, he works for us...it *will* work
[17:01] <vish> :D
[17:08] <kwwii> vish: lol
[17:08] <kwwii> vish: I figured it out
[17:08] <kwwii> it is no longer using 24 pixel icons
[17:08] <vish> kwwii: how do i phrase this > http://paste.ubuntu.com/376975/ , for changelog
[17:08] <vish> yeah
[17:08] <kwwii> vish: it goes directly in the panel now so it uses 22x22
[17:09] <vish> apart from that there is huge list of bugs below but that^ is the part I'm not sure how to phrase it to sound "official" ;)
[17:26] <kwwii> vish: you can add something like "Included different sizes for various icons
[17:26] <kwwii> "
[17:26] <kwwii> vish: ie, I don't need to understand everything for simple stuff like that
[17:26] <vish> ;p
[17:26] <kwwii> vish: essentially, the changelog is important for me to be able to get your latest stuff and view the changes so that I can include them in ubuntu without being afraid you've b0rked something :P
[17:27] <kwwii> or included something inappropriate, etc
[17:27] <vish> and i also figured out the gtk volume icon blurriness , yay and finally included a new volume icon ;)
[17:28] <kwwii> vish: killer ;)
[17:28] <vish> gtk need a file named .png ... so i added a symlink named volume-*.png to a svg and it is solved :D
[17:28] <vish> crappy gtk ;p
[17:28] <kwwii> vish: I am going to head back to my hotel in about half an hour. When you're happy with your changes let know and I will get it uploaded asap
[17:28] <kwwii> lol
[17:29] <kwwii> vish: funny how gtk is with that stuff, it reads the image header to determine the type but then hardcodes file name extensions
[18:46] <vish> argh! lp is killing me :/
[18:53] <vish> ah! anyone know what I'm doing wrong >  bzr push lp:~vish.../ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/new
[18:53] <vish> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~vish.../ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/new": No such project: ubuntu-art-pkg
[18:53] <vish> kwwii: around^ ?
[18:55] <vish> bah , nvm , i gonna use humanity as root  :s
[19:19] <zniavre> good evening
[19:19] <zniavre> the new indicator "thing" is a part of gnome or ubuntu ?
[19:20] <vish> zniavre: huh? dint understand... canonical is doing it, if that was the question :)
[19:21] <zniavre> sorry my bad english (im too old to improve it now , and you can't hear my accent hopefully)
[19:22] <vish> zniavre: actually , its not your fault English is the bad one ;)
[19:24] <vish> zniavre: is there any way to change the treeview -/+ to the old arrow?
[19:24] <vish> rather gtkexpander
[19:24] <zniavre> i do not know. using clearlooks style ?
[19:24] <vish> ah right..
[19:25] <vish> the new murrine change doesnt look good :/
[19:25] <zniavre> the new indicator stuff change does not look good too
[19:25] <zniavre> i do not like it at all
[19:26] <zniavre> there is no alternatives
[19:26] <vish> zniavre: heh , i use a vertical panel and it sucks even worse :/  ... all the icons[except one] are out of the screen
[19:26] <zniavre> the "stuff" display horizontal even the panel is vertical ?
[19:27] <vish> yeah :/
[19:27] <vish> i havent restarted my session[after indicator-sound] just to prevent volume applet getting out of the screen
[19:27] <vish> indicator-sound update*
[19:31] <zniavre> im quite angry they took out the old volume applet
[19:31] <zniavre> it was my request > where to complain about that ?
[19:32] <vish> zniavre: if you remove the indicator applet  the old volume applet will return
[19:32] <zniavre> no
[19:32] <vish> but you will also loose the the messaging menu
[19:33] <zniavre> im not social personn
[19:33] <zniavre> i do not use empathy/evolution/thunderbird/facebook
[19:33] <vish> zniavre: then you can remove the indicator applet , it is supposed to fallback to old notification area icons/applet , if it doesnt it is a bug
[19:34] <zniavre> a ok
[19:34] <zniavre> opening launchapd bug right now
[19:35] <vish> zniavre: have you restarted session after removing the indicator applet?
[19:35] <zniavre> i will try right now too 2sec
[19:36] <zniavre> so i got a bug
[19:36] <vish> yeah :/
[19:38] <zniavre> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel
[19:38] <zniavre> oops sorry
[20:02] <zniavre> vish,  are you sure about that ? (old volume-controler coming if i delete he indicator-applet) ?
[20:03] <vish> zniavre: that was what i was told... :) i can check again if you like
[20:03] <vish> zniavre: filed the bug?
[20:03] <zniavre> not yet im first asking question
[20:04] <zniavre> i do not know why i hav the feeling reporting a bug is much longer/complicated tahn before , im right ?
[20:05] <vish> zniavre: just asked  , if it doesnt return it is a bug
[20:10] <zniavre> filing a bug is a real pain now ...
[21:46] <kwwii> vish: hey
[21:49] <kwwii> vish: just saw your merge request, I'll get it done and uploaded asap
[21:49] <kwwii> thanks ;)