[05:13] <owen1> bug #123775 is 'linked to a milestone later' and it 'has a patch', priority=medium, not assigned, status=won't fix.   what does all this mean? will it be fixed and when?  thanks!
[05:15] <owen1> it's a big issue for many laptop users. we can't configure the touchpad.
[05:26] <lifeless> owen1: well it appears to have been fixed
[05:26] <lifeless> and folk are now piling onto the bug with similar but different symptoms
[05:39] <owen1> lifeless: what do u mean? fixed and pushed or will be ready for 10.4?
[05:39] <lifeless> according to that bug's status, fixed for over a year
[05:40] <owen1> lifeless: that's wierd. i can't configure my touchpad and i have the same issue.
[05:40] <lifeless> well, you have the same symptoms. Doesn't mean same issue (though it may be)
[05:40] <owen1> lifeless: why does it say "in progress"
[05:40] <lifeless> if there is a patch, you could try applying it and seeing if that fixes it - and if so, raise it.
[05:41] <lifeless> owen1: well one task is in progress
[05:41] <lifeless> and if you look at the activity log folk have been messing around with it
[05:41] <owen1> how do i apply that patch?
[05:42] <owen1> or better solution - how to make sure it's really fixed? i created #512192 which is the same.
[05:42] <owen1> many people have this problem.
[05:42] <owen1> Can't configure Elan tech touchpad on Dell Inspiron 11z, Asus K7I0C and maybe also Dell Mini 10 (not V), ASUS k40in, Asus U81A and ASUS UL80-VT.
[07:14] <pitti> Good morning
[07:14] <pitti> cjwatson: sorry, WI tracker failed every time on Saturday, it couldn't cope with a spec targetted to "later"; I fixed it yesterday
[07:15] <pitti> bdrung: questions about syncs> shoot
[07:41] <dupondje> morning everybody :)
[08:04] <pitti> ev: FYI, I'm porting usb-creator to udisks now
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:12] <pitti> ev: hm, if I run "PYTHONPATH=. tests/run" I get all failures in TestDevkitBackend, with "The name com.ubuntu.USBCreator was not provided by any .service files", and a lot of of stale fake_devicekit-disks processes; how do I run this?
[08:16] <Riddell> stgraber: what you seen bug 520767 ?
[08:25] <dupondje> pitti: something went wrong generating language-pack's
[08:26] <dupondje> new language packs breaks mozilla for some languages
[08:27] <pitti> asac, ArneGoetje: ^ known?
[08:37] <mdz> is anyone else having trouble with Google Calendar with the chromium-browser in Lucid? I get the "Aw, snap" page every time it tries to load the event editing dialog
[08:49] <pitti> superm1: ah, seems you already prepared dell-recovery for udisks, great! (I'm about to remove devicekit-disks from the lucid archive); you missed a bit in 96-dell-recovery-partition.rules, you need to additionally add UDISKS_PRESENTATION_HIDE
[08:49] <pitti> superm1: (or instead, if you want to drop support for DK-D)
[08:51] <pitti> superm1: however, I wonder whether 96-dell-recovery-partition.rules is needed in the first place; udisks already ships a lot of standard "hide recovery partitions" rules by default, aren't they sufficient?
[08:51] <pitti> (dk-d did that as well)
[08:51] <pitti> superm1: would you mind uploading dell-recovery soon, so that we can remove devicekit-disks from the archive?
[09:06] <ev> pitti: the test framework is woefully out of date, I wouldn't bother with it until I've found some time to bring it up to speed
[09:06] <ev> thanks for doing the port, by the way
[09:06] <pitti> ev: ok, understood; it looks exactly as broken as the dk-d variant :)
[09:07] <pitti> ev: I tested writing an actual image to an USB stick, that worked fine
[09:08] <ev> :)
[09:08] <ev> cool
[09:20] <ev> mvo: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-upgrade is in universe.  In case you're not already aware, you have commit access to lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu via your membership in ~ubuntu-installer, should you want to make any changes.
[09:23] <ogra> mdz, works fine here, are you using the chromium from the archive or from the daily build ppa ?
[09:23] <mdz> ogra, archive
[09:23] <ogra> (mine is the archive one in lucid)
[09:23] <ogra> wierd
[09:23] <ogra> *weird even
[09:24]  * ogra does a dist-upgrade
[09:24] <ogra> i'm out of date a few days
[09:27] <pitti> hm, what's wrong with libmysqlclient16_7.0.9-1_amd64.deb ?
[09:27] <ogra> still works with the latest
[09:28]  * ogra restarts to be sure
[09:28] <geser> pitti: bug #521815
[09:29] <pitti> geser: ah, thanks
[09:30] <ogra> mdz, still all fine after upgrade and reboot
[09:30] <ogra> must be on your side
[09:30] <mdz> ogra, hmm. I've disabled my (two) extensions and it is 100% reproducible. is there any way to get more info than "aw snap"?
[09:30] <ogra> not sure, asac ^^^^ ?
[09:31] <ogra> mdz, there is the -g setting but that immediately runs it in gdb afaik
[09:32] <fagan> isnt there a --debug option in terminal for chromium
[09:32] <ogra> fagan, yes, -g is the short form of it
[09:43] <ogra> Riddell, do you have an idea about bug 522045 ? the error message makes me suspect we are missing something in kde under armel
[09:46] <Riddell> ogra: kdebindings hasn't compiled on arm recently
[09:46] <ogra> yeah, i suspected something might be out of date here
[09:48] <Riddell> ogra: it's currently compiling away though so we can but hope it completes
[09:48] <ogra> yeah, else i'll put NCommander on the case, he loves to debug KDE on arm :)
[09:49] <ogra> Riddell, thanks a lot
[09:56] <ttx> Question: I install a task through "apt-get install task^" with a PPA enabled (that provides some of the task deps): task installation just skips the package that happens to be provided by the PPA. Doesn't install the main equivalent, doesn't install the PPA version either. Any clue ?
[10:02] <ttx> mvo: ^ ?
[10:03] <ttx> The issue being it prevents me from netbooting/preseeding a UEC install from an alternate repository
[10:04] <mdz> ogra, I guess I'll download the 400M of debug symbols then ;-)
[10:05] <mdz> ttx, the packages included in the task are determined by the Task: headers in the Packages files
[10:05] <mdz> ttx, the PPA one won't have a Task: and so it won't be used
[10:06] <ttx> mdz: and it will not gracefully fallback to the main version, because it's not the install candidate... interesting
[10:06]  * ttx digs deeper
[10:07]  * xnox is upgrading to lucid - joy estimated upgrade time 3 hours
[10:07] <mdz> ttx, you are probably better off just not using task^ and providing a list of the packages you want (maybe extracted from the task in main)
[10:08] <ttx> mdz: Right, however I'm testing the UEC installer, which uses the task
[10:09] <ttx> The idea was to allow install-testing a work-in-progress eucalyptus, without having to upload it
[10:09] <mdz> ttx, ...without running a local mirror :-)
[10:09] <ttx> I have a local mirror
[10:10]  * ttx digs into Packages file
[10:11] <mdz> ttx, you could try mirroring the PPA locally and modifying the Packages file
[10:11] <ttx> mdz: I'm on it :)
[10:11] <ttx> mdz: (In fact I use a local repo for that. PPA was just for sake of example/reproducing my issue)
[10:11] <mdz> ttx, cjwatson and I have talked about writing a tool which takes a .changes and replaces that package into an .iso for testing
[10:12] <mdz> but I don't think anyone has found the round tuits yet
[10:12] <ttx> mdz: It would be interesting as an additional test option, but I kinda like our new PXE based test setup
[10:13] <ttx> i'll just mangle my localrepo Packages file
[10:14] <ttx> mdz: Any reason why local repositories (or PPAs) don't get "Task" headers ? Shouldn't they be generated from the package control file ?
[10:14] <mdz> ttx, no, they come from overrides
[10:15]  * ttx mans apt-ftparchive
[10:15] <mvo> ttx: hi, that should work, does the Package have the right Task headers in the PPA?
[10:16] <ttx> mvo: apparently not
[10:17] <mvo> ttx: aha, I just read scrollback, mdz answered already
[10:17] <ttx> mvo: i'll use a local repo with a properly-overridden Packages file
[10:17] <ttx> mvo, mdz; thanks !
[10:17] <asac> pitti: yes
[10:17] <asac> pitti: i fixed it on macq...
[10:17] <geser> pitti: have you some time to review (and sponsor) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~geser/pkg-create-dbgsym/fix-520767/+merge/19323 (it's for bug 520767)
[10:18] <asac> pitti: wanted to talk to you how to rerun the langpack generation
[10:18] <pitti> ArneGoetje: ^ can you please kick off a new build?
[10:18] <pitti> asac: thanks
[10:18] <pitti> geser: will look, thanks!
[10:18] <asac> pitti: where arne lives the whole week is public holiday
[10:19] <ArneGoetje> pitti: already done and uploaded
[10:19] <asac> oh
[10:19] <asac> he
[10:19] <pitti> ArneGoetje: ah, sweet, thanks!
[10:19] <asac> ArneGoetje: you didnt compile po2xpi
[10:19] <asac> not sure what you tested ;)
[10:19] <ArneGoetje> asac: I know... noticed too late
[10:19] <asac> heh
[10:19] <asac> ok
[10:19] <asac> noticed too late?
[10:19] <mdz> ttx, doing this properly with apt-ftparchive requires creating several configuration files etc. unfortunately :-/
[10:20] <ArneGoetje> asac: noticed after you triaged the bug.
[10:20] <asac> ah
[10:21] <asac> ArneGoetje:  i wanted to change the searchplugins :(
[10:21] <asac> didnt know you were here
[10:22] <ArneGoetje> asac: before I have just pulled your po2xpi and modified it locally. But because you didn't merge my changes yet, I pulled my own branch and symlinked it as po2xpi on the server... but forgot to run make to actually compile po2xpi. orz
[10:22] <asac> but ok lets continue on mozillateam
[10:22] <asac> ok
[10:28] <soren> ttx: Did you get an answer yet?
[10:28] <ttx> soren: yes, thanks
[10:29] <soren> ttx: Wicked.
[10:34] <mdz> ogra, http://pastebin.com/f6e9beda1
[10:34] <mdz> ^ chromium backtrace
[10:37] <mdz> it would be nice if there were a command line option to say "go ahead and dump core" so that apport would work
[10:43] <mdz> ogra, asac, reported as bug 522078
[10:44] <asac> mdz: hmm. odd. the latest in archive is from the beta channel
[10:45] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/5.0.307.7~r38400-0ubuntu1
[10:45] <mdz> asac, I upgraded everything else at the same time as chromium, I guess it's possible the bug is lower in the stack
[10:46] <asac> could be ... though we use only just a few system libs
[10:46] <asac> maybe attach your apt log parts too then
[10:46] <asac> mdz: ^
[11:05] <dupondje> asac: ArneGoetje: thx
[11:05] <dupondje> will check this evening if it works ;)
[11:05] <asac> should
[11:17] <ogra> asac, mdz, i get the same error trying to update a worpress entry here apparently
[11:19] <asac> ogra: same backtrace?
[11:19] <ogra> havent done one yet, one sec
[11:19] <ogra> but i see th eoops page as soon as i click the update/save button
[11:20] <mdz> asac, apt history attached
[11:21] <asac> thanks
[11:21] <mdz> asac, ogra, it's been linked to an upstream report confirming
[11:22] <ogra> asac, my bt is rather empty
[11:23] <asac> right
[11:24] <asac> ogra: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxDebugging
[11:24]  * asac wonders how to teach chromium to create .crash files for snaps
[11:25] <mdz> asac, I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingChromium with a link to that btw
[11:27] <asac> hmm. i thought we already had a wiki. but thanks.
[11:29] <mdz> asac, I didn't find one, looking at DebuggingProcedures and searching
[11:37] <asac> mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Debug
[11:37]  * asac updates DebuggingProcedures
[11:37] <asac>  and renames that page to debugging ;)
[11:38] <mdz> asac, thanks
[11:40] <asac> hmm. the wiki seems to not fix all references to a page on rename
[11:40] <asac> i would have expected that from a wiki for internal content
[11:49] <ogra> asac, i see no mention of xml/xslt at all in my bt ... though i have about 30 tabs open i should probably retry that when i can clean out my tabs and try with a single one
[11:51] <asac> ogra: did you use the renderer gdb approach?
[11:51] <asac> from the wiki?
[11:51] <asac> do that
[11:51] <ogra> i used https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Debug
[11:51] <asac> and yes, use a single tab
[11:51] <ogra> right, that has to wait then
[11:51]  * ogra needs his tabs 
[11:51] <asac> which doesnt exist anymore ... hmm. wasnt there a time when the wiki created a redirect?
[11:52] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Debugging
[11:52] <ogra> right, well, i used it before you moved it :)
[11:52] <asac> sure
[11:53]  * ogra wonders why he gets mono comments on the blog entry he just did
[11:53] <ogra> tsk
[11:59] <\sh> guys, what's the correct way to tell buildd admins to un-P-a-S a package?
[12:16] <lool> valgrind was updated in Packages-arch-specific two days ago to add armel support; it was properly attempted two days ago in Debian sid, but not in lucid
[12:16] <lool> Who can I poke to get our Pas updated?
[12:16] <lool> After the last announcement from pkern, I thought it would be automatically updated from Debian's git
[12:17] <lool> Hmm we seem to have an ~ubuntu-core-dev branch of it
[12:18] <\sh> lool: I would say buildd admins ;) but I need to find out where I can file bugs about p-a-s
[12:19] <lool> \sh: pkern's announcement requested to file them in Debian
[12:19] <lool> against the buildd.debian.org pseudopackage
[12:19] <\sh> lool: yes...
[12:20] <lool> so lp:packages-arch-specific is lagging and didn't mirror the latest git commits from https://buildd.debian.org/git/packages-arch-specific.git/
[12:20] <lool> I think I'lll go poke #launchpad at this point
[12:22] <lool> cjwatson: Hmm sorry just saw the comment on the branch that I should contact you
[12:23] <lool> cjwatson: Would you mind updating https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/packages-arch-specific/sid ?
[12:23] <lool> Except he's on leave
[12:24] <lool> Ok, I think I'll update lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/packages-arch-specific/ubuntu and resync with cjwatson when he comes back
[12:26] <ejat> hi guys ..
[12:26] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/376824/
[12:27] <ejat> why the listed package need to be remove while i try to upgrade to lucid ?
[12:27] <ejat> such as ubuntu-desktop ..
[13:12] <jdub> hey gang
[13:12] <jdub> anyone seeing upgrades fail with
[13:12] <jdub> "tar: ./md5sums: Cannot utime: Bad file descriptor"
[13:12] <jdub> ?
[13:13] <jdub> i'm upping from hardy to lucid (kernel version 2.6.18.8)
[13:13] <jdub> looks like there are some relevant debian coreutils bugs
[13:16] <jdub> eg. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563726
[13:21] <\sh> lool: would you adjust p-a-s in ubuntu also with the package mentioned in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569952 ? :)
[13:36] <lool> \sh: done
[13:40] <Riddell> ogra, NCommander: kdebindings failed on arm with "Segmentation fault
[13:41] <Riddell> it's in smoke though.  the python stuff compiled fine.  so probably best to just stop smoke compiling on arm since I doubt it's used by anyone
[13:44] <ev> is X intentionally on VT1 now?
[13:51] <ogra> Riddell, likely a buildd hiccup
[13:53] <ogra> Riddell, given back
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> is there a DMB meeting scheduled for tomorrow?
[14:37] <pitti> should be
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks
[14:51] <james_w> Lucid Alpha 2 released | Archive: open (DebianImportFreeze) | MoM running (but use bzr!) | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-karmic | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[14:51] <james_w> could somebody set the topic please ^
[15:00] <pitti> james_w: you should be able to? (what's the difference?)
[15:00] <james_w> pitti: I don't have an ubuntu/member hostmask
[15:00] <james_w> that's AIUI anyway
[15:00] <pitti> it already seems to be what you suggest, or it's so subtly different that I fail to see it
[15:01] <james_w> I added (DebianImportFreeze) to the archive status
[15:06] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/521217 => who can sync this ? its already ACKed :)
[15:06] <sebner> dupondje: archive admin
[15:06] <dupondje> I think there a some around here ? ;)
[15:06] <james_w> dupondje: patience my friend
[15:07] <sebner> dupondje: they are processed periodically and I don't suppose your sync request is something special that needs special attention ;)
[15:07] <dupondje> If its get into lucid final its all ok for me :)
[15:08] <james_w> dupondje: it will be done in 20 minutes or so
[15:08] <james_w> there are 130 others that need doing as well
[15:08] <pitti> james_w: sorry, seems I lost my ability to set the topic; "You're not channel operator"
[15:09] <dupondje> james_w: I can wait that long ;)
[15:09] <james_w> pitti: you should be able to /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-devel pitti
[15:10] <pitti> james_w: nope, I'm not an op for #u-devel
[15:10] <pitti> (or any IRC channel for that matter)
[15:11] <superm1> pitti, i've not actually tested the udisks support yet, it's all been theoretical at this point :) i've also got a few other things that i'm working on, so will upload after that
[15:11] <pitti> superm1: thanks; udisks is in lucid now, and g-d-u and usb-creator got ported
[15:12] <james_w> pitti: oh, sorry, it's not set up like some other channels
[15:15] <Keybuk> mvo: you'd know the answer to this one
[15:15] <Keybuk> is there an easy way to do an upgrade just from a PPA
[15:16] <mvo> Keybuk: no trivial one, I could do a python-apt script for you if you want
[15:56]  * ogra wonders how to adjust volume with cursor keys with the new horizontal volume applet 
[15:57] <cjohnston> mbudde: ping
[16:00] <mbudde> cjohnston: sup?
[16:02] <cjohnston> nhandler is working on a script for the ubuntu classroom to help out with admin stuff.. and we wanted your feedback as the lernid dev on something
[16:02] <mbudde> okay
[16:02] <cjohnston> The design of the script will be to parse the class topic and instructor
[16:03] <nhandler> Why not move this back to #ubuntu-classroom-backstage cjohnston and mbudde ?
[16:03] <cjohnston> that works..
[16:12] <ari-tczew> please sponsor fake syncs in bug 511448 ; bug 521666 ; thanks
[16:17] <geser> james_w: re bug 273549: it looks like it got promoted to much. intended was to move it from multiverse to universe and not main.
[16:18] <james_w> geser: oops, fixed, thanks
[16:26] <sabdfl> who's the best person to ping re bluez
[16:31] <Keybuk> sabdfl: mario usually
[16:31] <Keybuk> what's up?
[16:31] <ogra> sabdfl, persia and superm1 did some work on it in the past
[16:34] <mdz> kenvandine, any guess on bug 522067? someone on identi.ca said they fixed things by removing and re-adding their account, but I don't want to do that if it would impede analysis
[17:06] <ivoks> pitti: ping
[17:10] <dupondje> james_w: it got synced ;)
[17:11] <james_w> I know :-)
[17:13] <mvo> persia: hi, you seem to have done the recent ubuntu-dev-tools uploads - any objections about me adding "edit-patch" from  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mvo/+junk/edit-patch ?
[17:23] <dupondje> mvo: where I am on your todo list ? ;)
[17:23] <mvo> dupondje: oohhhh
[17:24]  * mvo gets a guilty conscience	
[17:24] <dupondje> don't tell me you forgot me :P
[17:24] <mvo> not as such ...
[17:25] <mvo> dupondje: let me do it now
[17:27] <dupondje> sweet :)
[17:27] <mdz> is anyone else seeing mutt display "�" characters where it used to show line-drawing characters (e.g. displaying threads)?
[17:29] <mdz> seems to happen regardless of which font I choose in lucid
[17:38] <Laney> I get "error: the symbol 'grub_env_find' not found." when booting my Lucid machine now. Looks like debian bug 567582, but I can't find one on LP. Want one? Is the requested info in that bug useful?
[17:49] <pitti_> ivoks: pong
[17:52] <ivoks> pitti_: hi
[17:53] <ivoks> pitti_: i hope you aren't floded with my mirs
[17:53] <pitti_> ivoks: not any more :) my server went down an hour ago, so no mails for me :)
[17:53] <ivoks> pitti_: i just wanted to ask; do i need to fill in mir for every single perl module or could i just fill one with all of them :)
[17:54] <pitti_> ivoks: you have to check bug status/debian maintenance for all of them
[17:54] <ivoks> pitti_: of course
[17:54] <pitti_> ivoks: beyond that, just use that libtest-testing-perl thing and just add new tasks
[17:54] <ivoks> great! thanks
[17:55] <ivoks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterStack/MIR there's lots of them
[18:04] <sladen> directhex: any idea how to get dh_clideps et al not to do the stupid exact-dependency thing for other libriaries based on those available on the buildd (x << 1.2 && x >= 1.1)
[18:08] <directhex> sladen, what is the dependency you're getting, and what would you prefer it to be?
[18:09] <dupondje> mvo: thx
[18:11] <sladen> directhex: things like:  libtaoframework-openal1.1-cil (>= 2.1.svn20090801), libtaoframework-openal1.1-cil (<< 2.1.svn20090802)
[18:11] <sladen> directhex: I'd quite like that to be just  (>= x)  so that packages don't break when the library in question gets rebuilt
[18:12] <directhex> let me check
[18:12] <sladen> directhex: (unless I'm completely misunderstanding the reason for some obsession reason for the paranoid CLI versioning)
[18:13] <directhex> sladen, well, it won't have trouble with a rebuild, as it versions against the UPSTREAM release.  2.1.svn20090801-1ubuntu74 is still << 2.1.svn20090802
[18:14] <directhex> sladen, that info is written into the lib (i.e. the lib says "my deps if you depend on me should read as follows:"), using the same parameters as with dh_makeshlibs
[18:15] <sladen> directhex: so in this example, the answer is to modify 'libtaoframework-openal1.1-cil' $somehow to not ask for the exact linking?
[18:16] <directhex> sladen, in tao's case, it's intentional as there's a high likelihood of bits breaking if you have partly one release and partly another.
[18:16] <directhex> sladen, to do that, you'd add something like "dh_makeclilibs -plibtaoframework-openal1.1-cil -V" to debian/rules
[18:16] <sladen> directhex: well stuff (upgrades) breaks *because* of it
[18:17] <directhex> sladen, what's the specific breakage? can i see the console spew?
[18:51] <crimsun> pitti: hi, is there an existing method to get a user's configuration files from within apport-symptoms, or do I need to do that manually using Python methods?
[18:51] <slangasek> Keybuk: so I've triaged another plymouth bug, but I'm not sure what to do with it. When you boot w/o splash, plymouth doesn't change vts, I guess to display all the boot-time messages.... so when gdm sees plymouth is there and assumes that means it can use the active VT for its server, it spawns on vt1
[18:51] <slangasek> Keybuk: how *should* this be fixed?
[18:56] <slangasek> Keybuk: (bug #518352 is the master for this bug now)
[18:59] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: you reassigned bug #518352 based on answers from someone other than the bug submitter? :)
[19:17] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - oh, i didn't notice that the person who replied wasn't the submitter ;)
[19:50] <micahg> pitti: do I need this line in the apport hook for firefox to allow for PPA submsision?  report['CrashDB'] = 'firefox'
[20:11] <FP1> hello
[20:13] <FP1> how do i start developing for ubuntu?
[20:14] <Tm_T> FP1: by joining #ubuntu-motu (:
[20:14] <FP1> do i download the ubuntu source code also? and thank you
[20:15] <FP1> and can i use eclipse for developing?
[20:15] <qense> FP1: A new IRC channel for developign applications has just been opened at #ubuntu-app-devel It's just a few minutes old!
[20:16] <FP1> thanks :D
[20:17] <FP1> can i actually help develop the os?
[20:17] <qense> FP1: Yes, but it is not like there is one place all applications are written.
[20:18] <FP1> do you get it on launchpad?
[20:18] <qense> There are many different projects all over the internet and Ubuntu takes its pick from those and puts them together.
[20:18] <qense> Some applications are written by Ubuntu self, though.
[20:18] <FP1> are they developed in C++?
[20:18] <qense> FP1: There are some applications on Launchpad, yes.
[20:18] <qense> FP1: That varies enourmously.
[20:18] <sebner> FP1: most ist in python
[20:18] <FP1> ok :P
[20:18] <sebner> *is
[20:19] <sebner> from the *self-developed* stuff
[20:19] <qense> but the graphical interface you see is mostly written in C
[20:19] <qense> Whereas the office applications uses Java
[20:19] <FP1> oh, cool
[20:19] <FP1> is there any good developing applications out there for linux
[20:19] <qense> e.g. the chat client Empathy isn't developed by us, but by other people at www.gnome.org
[20:19] <qense> we do develop Update Manager
[20:19] <FP1> i've heard of eclipse
[20:20] <qense> Eclipse is indeed a very powerful IDE
[20:20] <FP1> do you suggest using eclipse?
[20:20] <FP1> im on empathy now :P
[20:20] <qense> It depends on your personal preferences and what you're doing with it.
[20:20] <qense> I'm using 'gedit' for developing, not Eclipse.
[20:20] <qense> There is also Anjuta, MonoDevelop, NetBeans and a lot more.
[20:21] <FP1> i use gedit for website developing but never new you could use it for programming also
[20:21] <FP1> *knew
[20:21] <qense> You don't _have_ to use a certain application for programming.
[20:22] <qense> Any text editor will do.
[20:22] <FP1> ok
[20:22] <qense> but lets continue this conversation in the new channel
[20:22] <FP1> at #ubuntu-app-devel ?
[20:22] <qense> yes
[20:22] <FP1> ok
[22:39] <superm1> crimsun, why do i have my annoying beep back in lucid rather than the pretty ding sounds that I got from karmic for my system bell?
[22:39] <superm1> is that intentional?
[22:58] <crimsun> superm1: is module-x11-bell loaded? Which wm are you using? Is the beep element enumerated in your [alsa]mixer?
[22:59] <superm1> crimsun, this was a fresh lucid gnome install.  how do I query if module-x11-bell is loaded?
[22:59] <superm1> I do see a "PC Beep" in my alsamixer, it's set to 0 by default
[22:59] <superm1> but not muted
[22:59] <crimsun> superm1: pactl list |grep x11-bell
[22:59] <superm1> crimsun, yeah it lists it
[23:00] <crimsun> superm1: is your PC Beep also a binary toggle [mutable]?
[23:00] <superm1> Yes
[23:04] <crimsun> heh.
[23:04] <crimsun> well, we appear to have (erroneously) dropped the patch to sound/pci/hda/hda_beep.c that disables it by default.
[23:05] <superm1> crimsun, well glad it's something silly :)
[23:35] <eut> is anyone aware of what version of libstdc++ the libstdc++5 and libstdc++6 packages correspond to? (i'm trying to find out which libstdc++ release i want to download and install)
[23:37] <RAOF> eut: libstdc++5 is built from gcc3.3 source; everything later is libstdc++6.
[23:38] <eut> RAOF, is it possible to install the older hardy package on 9.10? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/amd64/libstdc++5/download
[23:42] <crypt-0> it *should* possible, but i wouldn't advise it