[00:35] <Nafai> Is there a build somewhere with this revision in it? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-application/trunk/revision/82
[02:47] <smithj> jono: ok, so, seahorse?
[02:47] <jono> smithj, yep
[02:47] <smithj> sorry, the timing between "ignore my previous email" and when i read that email was off
[02:47] <smithj> k :)
[02:48] <jono> hehe
[02:48] <jono> yep, next for you is seahorse :)
[12:11] <kklimonda> is there a good explanation of what is indicator applet (and migration from notification area) about?
[12:12] <kklimonda> some document I can link people who cry "why yet another standard" to
[14:05] <Nafai> Good morning
[14:07] <jono> hey Nafai
[14:07] <Nafai> How's it going jono?
[14:07] <jono> good Nafai, you?
[14:08] <Nafai> Pretty good, getting started for the day
[14:41] <Nafai> Good morning jcastro
[14:44] <Nafai> Hello qense
[14:44] <jcastro> good morning Nafai!
[14:45] <qense> hello Nafai, jcastro!
[15:00] <jcastro> qense, I run banshee right outta git so holler at me if you want to test a patch
[15:00] <jcastro> qense, also my transmission icon works now!
[15:01]  * hyperair hears banshee
[15:01] <qense> jcastro: great, so my latest patch arrived in the nightlies.
[15:01] <jcastro> ohrly?
[15:01] <jcastro> are the nightlies set up for lucid yet?
[15:01] <qense> or weren't you using the Transmission nightlise?
[15:02] <jcastro> oh, right, I am
[15:02] <qense> I'm still working on Banshee, I've got the Indicator working, finally, but the menu looks horrible.
[15:02] <jcastro> I noticed the icon is busted in lucid too
[15:02] <qense> what icon?
[15:02] <jcastro> the banshee icon
[15:02] <jcastro> I have a dark panel and it has the icon with a grey box behind it
[15:02] <qense> yes, that is a large bug
[15:03] <qense> a lot of applications are affected by it
[15:03] <qense> But it should be fixed when it's using the Indicator Application.
[15:18] <tgpraveen12> qense: will u send the patch for banshee upstream?
[15:18] <tgpraveen12> have u talked with them about it?
[15:19] <tgpraveen12> i use the daily ppa for banshee. so am wondering if it will have it or not.
[15:19] <qense> tgpraveen12: I will send the patch upstream. Jcastro has already reported a bug in GNOME Bugzilla. But I won't commit anything until I've got a properly working patch.
[15:19] <jcastro> tgpraveen12, I've talked to abock about it briefly
[15:20] <tgpraveen12> cool
[15:20] <jcastro> it likely won't show up in a ppa anytime soon unless upstream accepts it right away or hyperair decides to carry the patch
[15:20] <hyperair> jcastro: what patch?
[15:20] <qense> hyperair: a currently non-existing patch for giving banshee appindicator support.
[15:21] <jcastro> the hypothetical one  qense is working on but is not ready
[15:21] <hyperair> ah appindicator support.
[15:21] <hyperair> sure
[15:21] <hyperair> ping me when it's ready
[15:21] <hyperair> i'll stick it in
[15:21] <qense> great!
[15:39] <Nafai> Hi LaserJock
[15:39] <LaserJock> hi
[15:39] <Nafai> Questions about indicator applet?
[15:40] <LaserJock> yeah, so with gwibber when you open it up you lose the description text
[15:40] <LaserJock> but when I open pidgin it doesn't
[15:40] <Nafai> kenvandine: Are you aware of this?
[15:40] <LaserJock> so it seems a little inconsistent with telling you what apps are open
[15:40] <tedg> LaserJock: Well, two comments there.  One the descriptive text is going away.  Two, that's because the pidgin indicator hasn't been rebuilt for the new libindicate
[15:41] <tedg> LaserJock: It should get rebuilt as it gets updated.
[15:41] <LaserJock> I see
[15:41] <tedg> LaserJock: Right now it's FTBS I would guess.
[15:41] <LaserJock> so will there be a visual indication in there that an app is open?
[15:42] <tedg> LaserJock: Yes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu
[15:42] <kenvandine> hey guys
[15:43] <LaserJock> is there anybody caring for the indicator stuff in pidgin at all?
[15:43] <LaserJock> it looks like in that spec that some work might be needed
[15:45] <tedg> LaserJock: It'll probably be me, though I doubt I'll get time to extend it to use some of the newer features.  Just get basic functionality working.
[15:46] <LaserJock> hmm, in the indicator session applet (I think that's what it's still called) the chat accounts and broadcast accounts things are pretty app-specific
[15:47] <LaserJock> when I hit chat accounts it takes me to empathy preferences, but I use pidgin, is there a way to change that?
[15:47] <tedg> LaserJock: There will be, now it's "demo complete" :)
[15:48] <LaserJock> nifty
[15:49] <LaserJock> so is this messaging menu thing supposed to land for Lucid or is that the "demo complete" part?
[16:01] <jono> Nafai, so how is progress today?
[16:04] <Nafai> Pretty good.  seb128 just uploaded the latest changes to the app indicators that I need for Brasero and Gnome Bluetooth, so as soon as that comes into the repos, I'll be excited to test those
[16:04] <Nafai> LaserJock: all of the app indicator stuff is in Lucid.  We're working hard to get a bunch of applications ported to use it for the Lucid release
[16:07] <LaserJock> Nafai: great. I'm not a huge pidgin fan but I seem to need it for backup when empathy acts up
[16:07] <Nafai> *nods*
[16:10] <tedg> LaserJock: Sorry, I missed your message.  I'm working feverishly to get it for Lucid :)
[16:10] <tedg> LaserJock: FF is like a freight train :)
[16:11] <LaserJock> tedg: yes, I know the feeling. Especially with the LTS pressure of getting things in early for testing
[16:35] <jcastro> Nafai, how's it coming today?
[16:49] <LaserJock> oh wow, I just got the new icons and opened up empathy for the first time in Lucid
[16:49] <LaserJock> awesome work people
[16:53]  * hyperair is still waiting for metacontact support in empathy
[16:54] <brettalton> so what's this indicator-applet thing all about and why are all sorts of gnome-panel apps being ported to it? 
[16:55] <brettalton> I heard that the Rythmbox applet, sound applet, clock applet, etc are all being ported to it.. what is it?
[17:00] <LaserJock> hmm, there's a wiki page around here somewhere describing it
[17:01] <LaserJock> looking at the topic it looks like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators is a place to look
[17:18] <jcastro> qense, next time you're in the code can you get me the filenames to all the icons transmission uses? Since we're going into each app we figured we'd get the icon filenames to hand off to the design team
[17:21] <brettalton> LaserJock: thanks!
[17:29] <qense> jcastro: I'll look it up, give me a sec
[17:30] <jcastro> qense, no worries, and no rush
[17:31] <qense> jcastro: there are "transmission-main-window-icon", "transmission-tray-icon" and "transmission-notification-icon" that are used for the logo,
[17:31] <jcastro> qense, which dir are they in?
[17:31] <jcastro> they need the full path
[17:31] <qense> jcastro: they don't exist
[17:32] <qense> so the application falls back to the built-in icon
[17:32] <jcastro> ok
[17:33] <qense> jcastro: of course there is also the 'transmission' icon, that is the default icon used in the menu. However, I haven't found any code using it in the application.
[17:51] <kklimonda> hmm.. I'm getting a weird widget corruption in the indicator-sound: http://syntaxhighlighted.com/~kklimonda/broken-indicator-sound.png
[17:52] <kklimonda> It may be because i'm using nouveau but that's the first time I've seen such a thing :)
[17:55] <kklimonda> I can fix it by moving mouse over the widget
[17:58] <jcastro> kwwii, that transmission icon needs love!
[17:59] <kklimonda> jcastro: you mean it isn't black?
[17:59] <jcastro> yeah
[17:59] <kwwii> jcastro: indeed
[17:59] <kklimonda> it does look out of place currently :)
[18:03] <qense> I've got a list of radio check entries that are displayed by the indicator as radio check items, even though they do behave like radio items. The affected menu items are all created from GtkRadioActionEntry actions. Could this make GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (widget) return False for those menu items?
[18:04] <kklimonda> is the messaging menu icon supposed to have a green border if there is an event to respond to?
[18:06] <jcastro> he's updated that
[18:06] <jcastro> but yeah
[18:16] <Nafai> jcastro, I'm just recompiling gnome bluetooth against the latest app indicator stuff and testing it
[18:21] <Nafai> darn, didn't fix things. :(
[18:22] <jcastro> bah
[18:23] <jcastro> I think cody's off the grid today to Get Work Done(tm) too
[18:25] <Nafai> I'll spend a little bit of time investigating and then get back with you if I do need help
[18:38] <Nafai> This is a time that I would like to have Python, makes some print debugging stuff easier
[18:39] <Nafai> Is there some convenience function to print out the structure set on a GtkUIManager?
[18:39] <Nafai> I want to compare what I'm setting on the indicator to what is already there
[18:44] <Nafai> looks like gtk_ui_manager_get_ui() is sufficient
[18:58] <qense> Dbusmenu doesn't support complex menu items yet? (Like the rating menu item from Banshee?)
[18:58] <jcastro> no
[18:58] <jcastro> the stars will have to go
[19:00] <qense> aww
[19:00] <qense> well, I have no choice ;)
[19:00] <qense> Did anyone use it anyway?
[19:01] <jcastro> yeah, it's one of those things that we talked about
[19:01] <jcastro> it looks awesome but you wonder who really uses it
[19:02] <qense> true
[20:19] <Nafai> So I'm unsure how to go about debugging this
[20:20] <jcastro> Nafai, perhaps move on to the next one?
[20:21] <Nafai> Yeah, that's what I'll do.  Kind of reached the limit what I can do in a limited time.
[20:21] <jcastro> or send cody/ted mails in the meantime
[20:21] <jcastro> kklimonda, thanks for the Transmission upload!
[20:21] <Nafai> I'll send mail then move on, I imagine they are busy.
[20:21] <jcastro> one more down!
[20:21] <jcastro> this week will be tough, feature freeze
[20:22] <Nafai> yeah
[20:22] <Nafai> which is frustrating because I want to get in all I can for it too
[20:32] <qense> there is still a merge request of mine for Bzr Gtk waiting to be accepted :S
[20:51] <qense> jcastro: atm I'm generating a working patch for Banshee. Yay!
[20:51] <jcastro> \o/
[20:51] <qense> \\o//
[20:52] <Nafai> qense is getting more done than me! :)
[21:03] <Nafai> jcastro, mail sent
[21:03] <jcastro> I saw, thanks!
[21:11] <elleuca> may I raise bug   #519195 ?
[21:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519195 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "No focus using keyboard (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519195
[21:11] <elleuca> in order to have a good a11y, imho should be marked as blocker for lucid
[21:25] <qense> jcastro: patch attached to bug 518171, I'm off now!
[21:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 518171 in banshee (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Support Application Indicators (affects: 2)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518171
[21:25] <jcastro> qense, thanks!
[21:47] <NateW> just wondering if nm and the clock applet are planned to become indicators?
[22:14] <elleuca> may I raise bug   #519195 ?
[22:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 519195 in libindicator (Ubuntu) "No focus using keyboard (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519195
[22:14] <elleuca> in order to have a good a11y, imho should be marked as blocker for lucid
[22:18] <Nafai> tedg: quick question regarding your mail.  how do I figure out what the dbus name and dbus object are for my indicator?
[22:18] <tedg> Nafai: I'd use d-feet, it's a visual dbus debugger.
[22:19] <Nafai> Thanks
[22:19] <tedg> Nafai: If the app doesn't register for a name, they'll be ":1.234" or something like that.
[22:19] <tedg> Nafai: It's like an IP address vs. DNS.
[22:19]  * Nafai nods
[22:20] <Nafai> thanks, helped out wonderfully