| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| ryanakca | Unpacking replacement kubuntu-firefox-installer ... | 00:54 |
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| ryanakca | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kubuntu-firefox-installer_10.04ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package firefox-branding 0:3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 | 00:54 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: ^^ ... need me to file a bug for you? | 00:54 |
| groo_ | hi/2 all | 01:50 |
| groo_ | i fixed my network problems with ppa, im back to contributing packages :) | 01:50 |
| groo_ | apachelogger: Pici | 01:50 |
| groo_ | apachelogger: ping | 01:50 |
| groo_ | Riddell: ping | 01:50 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: ping | 01:51 |
| Pici | groo_: I guess you weren't actually looking for me. | 01:51 |
| groo_ | Pici: lol one tab too many, unless you are a motu | 01:52 |
| * groo_ is hunting for motus oO | 01:52 | |
| Pici | groo_: Nope ;) | 01:52 |
| groo_ | Pici: hmmmm snif snif... | 01:52 |
| * groo_ scents a motu near him | 01:53 | |
| groo_ | Pici: prove you arent a motu! | 01:53 |
| groo_ | anyway :D im opening a needs-packaging for kx11grab | 01:55 |
| groo_ | and i did a package for the newer skrooge... since the old version is already in kubuntu, what kind of bug i open? [needs-upgrading]? or something similar? | 01:55 |
| * persia notes that when the hunter announces their intent, the quarry have new incentives to make themselves scarce | 01:56 | |
| * groo_ aims for persia | 01:58 | |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| JontheEchidna | oh shit, bug 438279 never got merged upstream | 02:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 438279 in packagekit "Kpackagekit ask to report some errors " [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438279 | 02:30 |
| * JontheEchidna prepares an emergency upload | 02:31 | |
| JontheEchidna | I'll be marking dupes for that bug for weeks now :( | 02:34 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: hi jon | 02:45 |
| groo_ | can some motu sponsor this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7805 | 02:45 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: jon a question, i did a skrooge 0.6.x package... since skrooge is already in kubuntu (old version) what is the proper thing to do? | 02:45 |
| JontheEchidna | file an upgrade bug | 02:46 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: yeah, a url pls? its the same procedure but [needs-update] instead of [needs-packaging]? | 02:48 |
| JontheEchidna | "Update to skrooge 0.6.0", add the "upgrade" tag to the bug, subscribe universe sponsors | 02:48 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: ok, but nevermind, someone punch me to it :D | 02:49 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: but kx11grab is new :) | 02:49 |
| JontheEchidna | brace yourself :P | 02:50 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: hu? ¬¬ | 02:50 |
| JontheEchidna | for the revu | 02:50 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: ???? | 02:50 |
| Lex79 | lol | 02:50 |
| JontheEchidna | you wanted me to revu your kx11grab package, yes? | 02:50 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: ah yes :) shoot | 02:51 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 02:51 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: in theory it should be all a ok, since i did pratically the same for the wally package | 02:52 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: btw kudos for making motu :) | 02:52 |
| JontheEchidna | groo_: well, I became motu for almost a year, but thanks all the same :D | 02:53 |
| JontheEchidna | *almost a year ago | 02:53 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: news take some time to get here :D | 02:53 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: so? wheres the revu? lol | 02:56 |
| JontheEchidna | working on it | 02:56 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: thanks :) | 02:57 |
| JontheEchidna | groo_: all done | 03:25 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: anything for me to do? | 03:26 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 03:27 |
| JontheEchidna | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kx11grab <- pointy-clicky link | 03:27 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: oh nvm, my browser was slow :D | 03:27 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: thanks for the looong review :) a lot of broken stuff, gonna get to work tonight (if i can stay up (im old you know ;)) or the best, tomorrow, and upload a new version :) | 03:30 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 03:30 |
| JontheEchidna | that is a fairly exhaustive list. I don't forsee any further issues other than the ones I've listed | 03:31 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: very complete indeed, gonna learn a lot as usual :) | 03:31 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: i need to have more attention to details.. and lintian :P | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 03:32 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: but the more oficial packages i do, the sharper i get... | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | running lintian over the source.changes file and the .deb file give new insights that debuild -S -sa won't give | 03:32 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: in my defense... the cbds is a moving target, i never know what goes with what | 03:32 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: how do i do that? | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | groo_: lintian kx11grab_0.1.12-0ubuntu1_source.changes | 03:33 |
| JontheEchidna | and lintian mydeb.deb | 03:33 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: nice, didnt knew that :) | 03:33 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, and actually there's some new packaging conventions that don't use cdbs at all, that are currently coming in to favor | 03:34 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm perfectly fine with sponsoring cdbs-based packages, though | 03:34 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: ¬¬ like i said... moving target... where can i get some more info on what is the best practice? besides being informed in here :D | 03:36 |
| JontheEchidna | so yeah, things are moving a bit fast. Every release the KDE cdbs stuff has changed, and now this release things are starting not to use cdbs at all, but new debhelper magic | 03:36 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: no, pls, not dh --kde... its a nightmare to costumize :P | 03:36 |
| groo_ | customize | 03:36 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, yeah. Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with sponsoring cdbs packages | 03:37 |
| JontheEchidna | source format 3.0 is the other big thing | 03:37 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: but where can i get some more info? is there a wiki or something? | 03:37 |
| JontheEchidna | allows you to use orig.tar.bz2 instead of orig.tar.gz if you wish, and has quilt built in | 03:37 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: nice :) | 03:38 |
| JontheEchidna | this is the big article about it: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 | 03:38 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: i think i playerd with it for my rekonq packages | 03:38 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: which btw i still defend as the big change for kubuntu (rekonq as default!!!) pls think about it | 03:38 |
| JontheEchidna | well, it's not up to one person to make the decision about default browser, you must understand | 03:39 |
| JontheEchidna | The Kubuntu Council will decide that | 03:39 |
| JontheEchidna | and I'm just one of six council members | 03:39 |
| JontheEchidna | I must say that, if not for 10.04, I'd love to see rekonq as default for 10.10 | 03:40 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm just a bit leery about changing the default browser to a newcomer for an LTS cycle | 03:40 |
| JontheEchidna | but then, that's just my opinion | 03:41 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: newcomer? did you check latest 0.3.92? | 03:41 |
| JontheEchidna | relatively speaking, it's been around for less than a year | 03:41 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: im following rekonq since the begining... granted.. its new, but its very stable and featured.. only lacks java for now | 03:41 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: rekonq its a shell for webkit, and yes, its new, but it has a lean codebase and very few bugs... | 03:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I still get the odd crash with it from time to time | 03:42 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: from a user perspective i believe its much more usable then konqueror... since its almost identical to chromium, and its a browser, not a army swiss knife like konqueror (which i love, but its not for the average joe) | 03:43 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: and you DONT with konqueror? :D | 03:43 |
| JontheEchidna | nope | 03:43 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: can you point me to a url that crashes rekonq? | 03:44 |
| JontheEchidna | no, it's a bit more random than that | 03:44 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: what version? | 03:44 |
| JontheEchidna | 0.3.90 | 03:44 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: strange, i very rarelly have crashes with rekonq, and i browse with it a lot (even benchmarks i do) :D | 03:45 |
| JontheEchidna | But like I said, I love rekonq too, it's just a bit young to be set out as default browser to be supported for 5 years since it's less than a year old and has not had widespread testing | 03:45 |
| JontheEchidna | and this is all my opinion | 03:46 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: i agree in terms.. but my concern is that konqueror is even more fragile for browsing then rekonq is... and hasnt been any work for it in a long time (besides the bug fixing), not talking about khtml but the fronteend in itself | 03:47 |
| groo_ | since 4.0 it has stayed basically the same | 03:47 |
| JontheEchidna | well, the interface hasn't really changed, but that' | 03:47 |
| groo_ | khtml is mych better now | 03:47 |
| JontheEchidna | s really to be expected. | 03:47 |
| JontheEchidna | there have been plenty of bugfixes for the shell though | 03:48 |
| JontheEchidna | dfaure is paid to do such things, afaik | 03:48 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: yes i agree... but konkie is a beast.. the bugs are spread across is many functions, but the browser part is probably one of the more neglected ones | 03:48 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: konkie is old and it shows... rekonq is well.. peppy and fresh , like wii :D | 03:49 |
| JontheEchidna | heh, <3 wii | 03:49 |
| groo_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PhJp3ciRQ | 03:49 |
| groo_ | just put your wife/mother in law, grandmother in front of both konkie and rekonq and ask them to browse the web.. see which one gives the best usability results... | 03:50 |
| JontheEchidna | oh wow, that brings back some memories. can't believe 05 was 5 years ago | 03:50 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: :) | 03:51 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: im not the only one getting old :P | 03:51 |
| groo_ | brb | 03:52 |
| JontheEchidna | but I'm only 18 D: | 03:52 |
| groo_ | JontheEchidna: im gonna be 35 this year... | 04:19 |
| freeflying | groo_: :) | 04:21 |
| groo_ | freeflying: :D | 04:22 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: does firefox-branding have a replaces kfi? because it should :S | 07:14 |
| Riddell | morning Kubuntus | 07:20 |
| apachelogger | a very good morning to you too Riddell! | 07:23 |
| * apachelogger thinks that diffing on revu is broken | 07:23 | |
| Riddell | Karmic users needed to test Amarok from ~kubuntu-ppa/beta | 07:23 |
| Mamarok | what is going on with user management in KDE SC 4.4? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227079 | 07:31 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 227079 in general "Manage Users module of the systems settings program reports itself missing" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 07:31 |
| Mamarok | why does it require a python module? Looks like Kubuntu specific | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | that is userconfig | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | and yeah it is kubuntu specific | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | and no I do not like it being pyware | 07:32 |
| Mamarok | and how can I make this work again? | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | and yes KDE should fix up kuser :P | 07:32 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: what does it spit out if you run kcmshell4 userconfig | 07:34 |
| apachelogger | in konsole obviously :) | 07:34 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: bug should be closed as downstream though | 07:34 |
| Mamarok | it triggers the same crash as before | 07:34 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: no, I mean what does it say there? | 07:35 |
| apachelogger | if nothing ... run kdebugdialog and turn on everything, then try again | 07:35 |
| Mamarok | ah, second... | 07:35 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/d52c67e8 | 07:36 |
| apachelogger | ehm | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | the fuck | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: is your system all up-to-date? | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | especially pyqt4 | 07:39 |
| Mamarok | I would say so, but let me check if I missed an update... | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | because I should have fixed that bug 2 days ago | 07:39 |
| apachelogger | or so I thought | 07:39 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 2 could not be found | 07:39 |
| Mamarok | yep, all up-to-date | 07:40 |
| apachelogger | oha | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | neato | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | for some reason I have debian/patches/patches | 07:41 |
| apachelogger | very weird | 07:41 |
| Mamarok | hm, I don't have that many bindings installed though, only python-qt-4 and python-qt4-dbus | 07:41 |
| Mamarok | shouldn't others be installed if there is a hard dependency? | 07:42 |
| apachelogger | you must have python-kde4, otherwise I dont think it would come to fail at that bug in pyqt4 | 07:42 |
| Mamarok | that is installed | 07:43 |
| apachelogger | ehm | 07:43 |
| apachelogger | for some reason the whole pyqt4 package does not apply patches | 07:44 |
| Mamarok | nice... | 07:44 |
| apachelogger | you know | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | everytime I look at some pystuff I get to hate it more | 07:45 |
| Mamarok | I feel with you :) | 07:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: phil had a query about your patch by the way http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pyqt-pykde/18505 | 07:47 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: some thing in userconfig | 07:47 |
| apachelogger | hm | 07:50 |
| apachelogger | somehow I managed to screw up that pyqt4 for karmic | 07:51 |
| apachelogger | hm | 07:54 |
| apachelogger | pyqt4 uses quilt but doesnt use quilt Oo | 07:54 |
| apachelogger | insane | 07:54 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it's source format 3.0 in lucid so there the patches get applied when the package is extracted | 07:55 |
| Riddell | no so in karmic | 07:55 |
| Riddell | it'll need debian/rules in karmic | 07:55 |
| apachelogger | yeah, bad backport :P | 07:59 |
| Riddell | shtylman: has the button order changed in ubiquity? | 08:06 |
| Riddell | shtylman: funky new progress bar but I think it caused a crash | 08:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: userproperties-details.ui from userconfig | 08:08 |
| apachelogger | as per http://pastebin.com/d52c67e8 | 08:09 |
| ghostcube | morning :) | 08:09 |
| Riddell | shtylman: bug 522502 | 08:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522502 in ubiquity "kubuntu ubiquity crashes on partitioner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522502 | 08:12 |
| Riddell | shtylman: also the new "update from internet" button could do with some explanation | 08:12 |
| agateau | hey | 09:15 |
| agateau | Riddell: just a quick head up on M.I: I uncovered some issues which needs a new version of libindicate and libindicate-qt, hopefully it should be there before the end of this week | 09:16 |
| apachelogger | jussi01, tsimpson: ping | 09:26 |
| tsimpson | apachelogger: pong | 09:29 |
| Riddell | agateau: does that mean we get the spark icon back? :) | 09:30 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: sudo cp /home/apachelogger/kubotu.conf /etc/init/ | 09:30 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: gotta test if that beast actually works upon startup | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | which is really what it is meant for :D | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: please try upgrading with pyton-qt4 from the staging ppa, if I am not mistaken it should fix userconfig | 09:31 |
| * apachelogger reboots to test upstart job | 09:31 | |
| tsimpson | copied | 09:32 |
| apachelogger | tsimpson: thanks, seems to be working | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: you lucky bot now got autostarting upon boot :D | 09:35 |
| agateau | Riddell: yes | 09:38 |
| agateau | Riddell: that's the major issue it's addressing :) | 09:38 |
| === steveire_ is now known as steveire | ||
| apachelogger | kubotu: python? | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: hello | 09:46 |
| kubotu | hello owner :) | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | oh my :D | 09:46 |
| agateau | next release ok kubotu will say "yes master" :) | 09:47 |
| agateau | s/ok/of/ | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | well, I think that can be easily changed wihtout new release :D | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: karmastats | 09:49 |
| kubotu | 499 items. Best: C (193); Worst: < (-97) | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | hm | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | we need a policy to use <= instead of <-- | 09:50 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: hm, no staging ppa for me today, I still need this machine for work this afternoon, so I can't afford to break anything | 09:55 |
| Mamarok | it wasn't that important, I rarely use the userconfig, was just trying to find some settings in the groups when I stumbled on it | 09:55 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: ++ | 09:56 |
| jussi01 | (for the init script) | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: there should be no upgrades in staging other than python-qt4 | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | and that should at the very best improve something ;) | 10:05 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: you will be responsible for my money loss if it goes wrong :) | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | like kde is responsible for the money loss due to kaddressbook :P | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=85382 | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | indeed I must agree with them users, that the kaddressbook regression is a bit of a fail | 10:07 |
| a|wen | any reason why we have amarok 2.2.1 and not 2.2.2 in the updates-PPA? shouldn't we just copy the 2.2.2 from the backports-PPA (running it together with kde 4.3.5 works) | 10:10 |
| Mamarok | a|wen: Amarok 2.2.2 is in the backports, no? | 10:11 |
| * apachelogger thinks launchpad needs a central point to control version deployments | 10:11 | |
| a|wen | Mamarok: true; but shouldn't 2.2.2 be in updates? | 10:11 |
| Mamarok | a|wen: well, yes, but since there is such a confusion about what should go where in those PPAs, a clear policy for everybody should be written in stone once and for all | 10:12 |
| Mamarok | else it will continue being a mess at every single release | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | claydoh started work on that | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | but dropped the ball | 10:13 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: because it is a mess? | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | pretty much so | 10:13 |
| a|wen | Mamarok: it was written and posted to the ML a year ago or such ... but well, everybody tends to forget over time :) | 10:14 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: that was incomplete | 10:14 |
| Mamarok | carving it on the back of the hands maybe? | 10:14 |
| Mamarok | a tattoo :) | 10:15 |
| Mamarok | which would also be a nice way to identify Kubuntu packagers :) | 10:15 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: i remember it being pretty complete; but we have probably discovered some extra cases that wasn't covered since then | 10:15 |
| * a|wen wonders where the groceries-list should go then ;) | 10:16 | |
| apachelogger | either way the ml is not place to write policies down :P | 10:16 |
| a|wen | true that | 10:16 |
| a|wen | well, amarok 2.2.2 copied to updates | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | a|wen: rebuild I hope | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | otherwise there might be linkage problems | 10:18 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: it was built against kde 4.3.2 so shouldn't be needed | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | you are repsonsible if something breaks :P | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | talking about breaking | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: did you try new python-qt4? | 10:20 |
| a|wen | apachelogger: i know ;) | 10:21 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: I am doing as we speak... | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | kk | 10:21 |
| Mamarok | yay! | 10:21 |
| Mamarok | it works :) | 10:21 |
| * Mamarok hugs apachelogger | 10:21 | |
| apachelogger | cool | 10:30 |
| * jussi01 grumbles at desktop effects being evil and dropping me to a nice balck screen with a flashing _ | 11:47 | |
| markey | uhm | 11:48 |
| markey | is this normal or bad: | 11:48 |
| markey | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 11:48 |
| markey | libglu1-xorg-dev{u} libkrosspython0{u} liblcms1-dev{u} libmng-dev{u} libpq-dev{u} libqt4-phonon-dev{u} libscim8c2a{u} libsqlite0{u} libsqlite0-dev{u} libxmu-dev{u} | 11:48 |
| markey | libxmu-headers{u} qt4-demos{u} qt4-designer{u} qt4-dev-tools{u} qt4-doc{u} xlibmesa-gl-dev{u} | 11:48 |
| markey | (wanted to install gtimelog) | 11:48 |
| jussi01 | markey: aptitude? | 11:48 |
| markey | yes | 11:48 |
| markey | "sudo aptitude install gtimelog" | 11:49 |
| markey | is what I did | 11:49 |
| markey | then I got that result | 11:49 |
| jussi01 | curious. I dont use aptitude myself, but lemme try with apt-get | 11:49 |
| markey | I love aptitude, normally. it's nice that it does all things in one program | 11:49 |
| markey | no need to use several | 11:49 |
| persia | If your previous command was `apt-get build-dep ${something}`, this is expected behaviour: it's removing the stuff you don't need and haven't marked as explicitly wanting. | 11:49 |
| markey | persia: I didn't do that, not that I could remember | 11:50 |
| jussi01 | ahh, I thought it would be something like that | 11:50 |
| markey | so, you think it's safe to proceed? | 11:50 |
| markey | can I make it not remove this stuff somehow? | 11:50 |
| markey | I'd rather keep it... | 11:50 |
| persia | markey: `aptitude unmarkauto <list>` tells it to remove those from the uninstallation candidate list. | 11:51 |
| markey | ah | 11:51 |
| markey | "sudo apt-get install gtimelog" | 11:52 |
| markey | that works better | 11:52 |
| markey | it only suggests to remove the packages, but doesn't do it by default | 11:52 |
| persia | markey: Be aware that large chunks of the archive are not tested to ensure they are compatible with aptitude's resolver, so you may end up with unexpected behaviour. | 11:52 |
| markey | oh | 11:52 |
| markey | good to know | 11:52 |
| * persia is a huge aptitude fan, but often has to work around certain classes of bug | 11:52 | |
| markey | isn't that a bit confusing, having two different tools, with different behavior? | 11:52 |
| persia | markey: There's lots of that sort of thing around. One claim is that having two different implementations of a policy is a good way to differentiate bugs in policy from bugs in tools. | 11:59 |
| markey | yeah, understandable | 12:00 |
| olenz | Hi Developers! Can anybody tell me about the state of the plasma-widgeth-networkmanagement? | 12:06 |
| olenz | If I see it right, its not a plasma widget, but knetworkmanager instead, right? | 12:07 |
| olenz | What happened to the widget? | 12:07 |
| Riddell | olenz: right, the plasmoid isn't finished, maybe agateau will finish it next week | 12:09 |
| olenz | oh | 12:09 |
| olenz | so knetworkmanager is only a temporary walkaround? | 12:09 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:10 |
| olenz | Ah, very good, thanks for this info! | 12:10 |
| Riddell | Lex79: how did you get on with qt 4.6.2? | 12:42 |
| * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3-beta | 12:46 | |
| neversfelde | Riddell: the news is wrong, it is in beta backports not n backports | 13:41 |
| neversfelde | I'll correct that | 13:41 |
| Riddell | ok thanks | 13:41 |
| shtylman | Riddell: will look into those tonight | 13:42 |
| shtylman | Riddell: progress bar is part of main window now to stop annoying popups | 13:42 |
| ejat | Riddell: why amarok 2:2.2.2.90-0ubuntu1 still build with kde 4.3.2 ? | 13:48 |
| Riddell | because it's for karmic | 13:48 |
| Riddell | shtylman: keyboard maps is impressively correct | 13:48 |
| ejat | owh .. for lucid its already build with kde 4.4 ? | 13:49 |
| Riddell | mm hmm | 13:50 |
| shtylman | :) | 13:52 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: I got timeline and file searching working! | 13:52 |
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| === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ | ||
| Riddell | kubuntu-netbook daily works! | 14:24 |
| jjesse | wooot woot | 14:25 |
| * jussi01 giggles again at the "details" while kpackagekit is installing/downloading updates | 14:33 | |
| === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates | ||
| === EagleSn is now known as EagleScreen | ||
| === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer | ||
| === seele_ is now known as seele-mobile | ||
| Nightrose | Riddell: yay | 16:29 |
| Nightrose | any way i can get it to work as well? | 16:29 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: you need to install shared-desktop-ontologies, and remove ~/..kde/share/config/dolphinrc | 16:30 |
| Riddell | and /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/dolphinrc | 16:30 |
| Nightrose | ah ok - will try when i'm at home | 16:30 |
| Nightrose | thx | 16:30 |
| Riddell | and fiddle around with the settings until it decides to work | 16:30 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 16:31 |
| * Riddell wonders who CarlSymons is | 16:44 | |
| Riddell | NCommander: when would you like to have a kubuntu-dev interview? any of the green ones at http://doodle.com/tyizyw72vm67w7qw | 16:45 |
| NCommander | Riddell: all of the above is fine. I leave it up to you to decide when is best for you | 16:52 |
| Riddell | no jon around, will ping him when he appears | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: oh yes those details are very much gigglible | 18:05 |
| Lex79 | Riddell: obviously we need a new Phonon patch to build Qt | 18:05 |
| Riddell | Lex79: oh. phonon. foo. | 18:05 |
| Lex79 | I talked with sandsmark but he didn't reply yet | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: shared-desktop-ontologies should be in the dep chain already | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | not sure whether I uploaded it to lucid though | 18:10 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: it wasn't, I added it to kdebase-runtime depends as per trueg advice and debian practice | 18:12 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: hmmm shared-desktop-ontologies was installed already here | 18:24 |
| Nightrose | and dolphin settings shouldn't affect showing of content in timeline:/ no? | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: oha, I added it to kdelibs5 | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | since that beasty build-depends on it | 18:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: possibly I committed the dep to the kdelibs bzr branch | 18:30 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: no it shouldn't | 18:31 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: mphf - any other idea why it doesn't work here? | 18:31 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: broken repository | 18:32 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: ? | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | screwed up virtuoso stuffs | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | maybe getting .kde/share/apps/nepomuk out of the way helps | 18:32 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: also, it is very very very slow | 18:33 |
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| Riddell | Nightrose: if you killall nepomukserver and run it on the command line, what's the output? | 18:33 |
| * Nightrose tries | 18:33 | |
| Nightrose | Riddell: http://pastebin.com/d730f2694 | 18:35 |
| Riddell | "Failed to start Virtuoso" that doesn't look good | 18:37 |
| Riddell | "This server does not read this pre 6.0 format." | 18:38 |
| Riddell | do you have virtuosoconverter installed? | 18:38 |
| Nightrose | indeed... :D | 18:38 |
| * Nightrose looks | 18:38 | |
| Nightrose | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 18:39 |
| Nightrose | virtuoso-server: Depends: virtuoso-opensource-6.0 but it is not going to be installed | 18:39 |
| Nightrose | ahhh | 18:39 |
| Nightrose | sorry | 18:39 |
| Nightrose | sec | 18:39 |
| Nightrose | yes virtuosoconverter is installed and in newest version | 18:40 |
| Riddell | virtuoso-server isn't needed, virtuoso-nepomuk is the one now | 18:40 |
| Nightrose | k | 18:40 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 18:42 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: ping | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: pong | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: well, youd need to runt he converter really | 18:46 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: how do i know that? how does $randomuser know this? ;-) | 18:46 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: hi apachelogger, im fixing the kx11grab, can you sponsor it when im finished (since jontheechidna is MIA) | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: go complain to trueg | 18:47 |
| _Groo_ | Nightrose: nepomuk? ;) the converter isnt working very well | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | or rather to the virtuoso god | 18:47 |
| * Nightrose kicks them | 18:47 | |
| apachelogger | after all that beast did not even decide to provide the converter themself | 18:47 |
| Nightrose | awesome | 18:47 |
| * _Groo_ thinks is gonna record a video.. with him crying.. leeva trueg alone!!! lol | 18:48 | |
| apachelogger | kind of funny when you think about it, one of the pillars of kde depends on an upstream that does not even get to migrate data across versions | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | then again kde did not bother to migrate large parts of KDE 3 data either :P | 18:48 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: it happens in IT... for ex.. im migrating a telecom from WAS 4.0 to 5.x | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | no no | 18:49 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: IBM migration docs: dump 4.0 data, install 4.3 (intermediary).. pray for conversion to work | 18:49 |
| * Nightrose grumbles and gets food | 18:49 | |
| apachelogger | I did never ever see postgres loose data upon upgrade | 18:50 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: dump again, install 5.x, repeat praying | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | there is a difference between sensible solutions and not so sensible ones | 18:50 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna! | 18:50 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: indeed | 18:50 |
| JontheEchidna | oh hai | 18:50 |
| JontheEchidna | just read irclogs.ubuntu.com | 18:50 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: agreed, but for what i gather, Virt6.0 was a rewrite.. couldnt mantain backward data compatbilty, but i agree its a screw up | 18:51 |
| * _Groo_ greets JontheEchidna | 18:51 | |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: you do not need to maintain backward compability | 18:51 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: just saying to apachelogger that im gonna fix the revu and ping you guys for sponsorsgip | 18:51 |
| _Groo_ | ship | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | you need to migrate the freakin data | 18:51 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: I actually decided to lose all my nepomuk data, conversion results caused nepomuk to eat cpu and ram more than my heaviest system could handle | 18:51 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: same... it was "easy" to just loose and remake | 18:52 |
| _Groo_ | Tm_T: easier | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | now | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | so, imagine they decide to rewrite again for v7 or v8 | 18:52 |
| Tm_T | and this shouldn't happen, really | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | and again fail to provide migration | 18:52 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: I don't need to imagine, I pretty much expect that to happen | 18:52 |
| * _Groo_ imagines popular uproar, forks, fires... ppl screaming.. groo rising from the ashes as a popular leader, taking kde mankind to the next step | 18:53 | |
| apachelogger | people are bitching a lot about kaddressbook not showing data, now what if nepomuk actually looses data | 18:53 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: this is all very experimental, kde is pushing the envelope on what we can do with our data.. colateral damage is inavoidable | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | experimental? | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | this is a trial'n'error approach IMHO | 18:55 |
| Tm_T | _Groo_: doesn't mean things couldn't be done better, but I am not blaming trueg at all, he seems to be quite alone with this | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | we are at KDE 4.4 and the 3. data storage backend for nepomuk | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | first we had that slow beast of which I forgot the name, followed by the java thingy that ate all your ram, and now we have a somewhat decently fast thingy that fails to migrate data | 18:55 |
| JontheEchidna | nonfree java thingy that ate all your ram, nonetheless | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | righto | 18:56 |
| _Groo_ | sesame and redland | 18:56 |
| JontheEchidna | virtuoso still likes to nom on your RAM, but you can set the lower limit to 50 MB | 18:56 |
| _Groo_ | if my memory doenst fail me | 18:56 |
| _Groo_ | well semantic desktops are very cutting edge, no one else is doing this stuff like kde is... road bumps are expected | 18:57 |
| _Groo_ | i for one welcome our new semantic overlords | 18:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I've never seen anything with a GUI to set RAM usage before (or anything with the need for such a gui, actually) | 18:58 |
| _Groo_ | and anyway, theres always the call center approach to bitching | 18:59 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: its because in mac/windows they just eat up all your ram WIHTOUT asking :D | 18:59 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: they know better | 18:59 |
| JontheEchidna | it seems that it could just smartly schedule things based on the amount of free ram, without creating a whole gui for it | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | dude | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | it cant even migrate data :P | 19:00 |
| _Groo_ | JontheEchidna: logically true, but DBs dont work that way | 19:00 |
| JontheEchidna | well, it has a manual RAM limiter. It also has access to numbers on the amount of free ram | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: that has nothing to do with it being a db | 19:01 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, nixternal_, apachelogger: how does 23:00 today suit to quiz NCommander? | 19:02 |
| Riddell | UTC | 19:02 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: should work fine for me | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | rather latish for me | 19:02 |
| Riddell | 22:00? | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | more like it | 19:03 |
| markey | Riddell: I had a slight problem with KMail from 4.4: overall it worked great, but PGP support didn't work. then Paul Adams just gave me this advice: | 19:03 |
| markey | ""Run gpg-agent --daemon, copy the result into a konsole and then launch !kontact from that konsole. Ping the packager to fix this." | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | if I do not fall asleep :D | 19:04 |
| markey | is it a packaging issue? | 19:04 |
| JontheEchidna | doesn't really sound like a packaging issue at all | 19:04 |
| markey | I couldn't tell... | 19:04 |
| markey | it's just what Paul dented | 19:04 |
| markey | http://identi.ca/notice/22213442 | 19:05 |
| markey | that said, I did have KPGP running | 19:05 |
| markey | and it normally works fine | 19:05 |
| markey | KGPG | 19:05 |
| markey | or whatever it's called | 19:05 |
| neversfelde | do I need to override a lintian warning like this: "W: mdic: extra-license-file usr/share/doc/mdic/COPYING.gz" ? | 19:13 |
| _Groo_ | guys how can i make sure nepomuk search is actually searching anything? according to search service, i have 8000+ files indexed (mostrly mp3s all tagged) and a few folders with odt and pdf, but a search results always shows empty in dolphin :( | 19:29 |
| apachelogger | neversfelde: you should not install that license file :P | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | unless it is necessary | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | which it hopefully is not | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | also I personally am against overriding lintian warnings altogether | 19:37 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger: I am not sure, why this file is installed | 19:38 |
| _Groo_ | guys, little bug, please open knotes and quit knotes.. it will crash.. it was fixed in latest kubuntu kde ubuntu3 but is broken in ubuntu4 again | 19:39 |
| nixternal_ | Riddell: that time is good for me | 19:39 |
| JontheEchidna | _Groo_: bug 521011 | 19:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 521011 in libdbusmenu-qt "Knotes crash on close" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/521011 | 19:42 |
| === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal | ||
| binarylooks | concenring kubuntu lucid on netbooks. the following line was missing in the kwinrc file: | 19:44 |
| binarylooks | BorderlessMaximizedWindows=true | 19:44 |
| nixternal | I AM BORED!!! | 19:45 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: It should not be installed. The lintian warning is correct. | 19:47 |
| markey | nixternal: GOOD LORD! | 19:47 |
| markey | nixternal: THIS CANNOT STAND! | 19:47 |
| markey | nixternal: chop chop! | 19:47 |
| neversfelde | apachelogger, ScottK: thanks, I'll have a look at it | 19:47 |
| markey | make some coffee for Shuttleworth | 19:47 |
| nixternal | i would rather swallow gasoline and a lit match | 19:50 |
| ScottK | I'd pay to see that. | 19:52 |
| nixternal | thanks :p | 19:52 |
| * _Groo_ raises hand.. ill buy the popcorn is nixtenral sets himself on fire :D | 19:52 | |
| _Groo_ | if nixternal* | 19:53 |
| ScottK | You should feel good. I've got about zero time for Kubuntu development right now, but I still have time to abuse you. | 19:53 |
| ScottK | You're a high priority. | 19:53 |
| nixternal | haha, ass | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | nixternal on fire | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | no no! I do not like that! | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | we must also love the windows users | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | they cant help being what they are :/ | 19:58 |
| nixternal | I should go back to Windows | 19:58 |
| nixternal | seeing as I interviewed yesterday with microsoft :D | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | you did? | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | cool | 19:58 |
| * apachelogger always wanted to work at microsoft's | 19:59 | |
| nixternal | yeah, my buddy, and someone in this channel, pushed me :p | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | until I got to meet MS austria's academic evangelist | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | he freaked me out quite a bit | 19:59 |
| nixternal | it was a phone interview, but it went well...it will be working with Open Source, but from the way it sounds, they have a ton of people they are interviewing | 20:00 |
| _Groo_ | guys how do i reset the entire strigi/nepomuk data? | 20:00 |
| _Groo_ | i remove .kde/share/nepomuk , anything else? | 20:01 |
| nixternal | actually said they are interviewing people who have a lot of "community" experience | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: you do have that with your loco work and all, dont you? | 20:02 |
| nixternal | i would have thought so, but from the way it sounds, they either want someone with more community experience | 20:02 |
| nixternal | don't know how much more community experience one can have...all it takes is being friendly...isn't like it is a damn skill or anything | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | jono makes it sound like a science | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | :D | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | always impressed by how important one can make "being friendly" sound like :P | 20:03 |
| apachelogger | oh, on a related topic is opportunistic a new fancy word to use instead of python? | 20:05 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 20:05 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 20:05 |
| JontheEchidna | "people who crap out python scripts and call them apps" :P | 20:06 |
| nixternal | opportunistic is a bit deeper than python | 20:06 |
| ScottK | Ironically I'm in the middle of crapping out a Python script. | 20:06 |
| nixternal | though you wouldn't think so, seeing as all of the so-called opportunistic apps we have seen have been written with python | 20:06 |
| nixternal | I am learning Mono/C#/.NET | 20:07 |
| nixternal | so, I am in the middle of crapping out my life | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | lulz | 20:07 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: you must be an opportunistic developer :P | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: how much deeper than python? | 20:08 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: think Apps Store or such for iPhones | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: I recon python is already very deep shit | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | omg! | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | app store for linux | 20:08 |
| nixternal | all of those really shitty apps, well opportunistic programming makes all those shitty apps, easily available for Ubuntu | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | oh, we have that already | 20:08 |
| apachelogger | software center or what is it called now | 20:08 |
| nixternal | yeah, but I guess people need more opportunity | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | ah | 20:09 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: When there is an opportunity to be paid for it, yes. | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | AH | 20:09 |
| apachelogger | I think I get the concept now | 20:09 |
| nixternal | yeah, seeing as I don't get paid for Linux, it isn't opportunistic enough | 20:10 |
| nixternal | I have 2 hobbies that are fairly big...cycling and linux/floss stuff | 20:10 |
| nixternal | right now, cycling > linux/floss stuff...I am not burning out, I am just getting bored | 20:10 |
| apachelogger | create buzz about how you will create a shitty app by calling yourself opportunistic programmer => create shitty app => sell it via ubuntu => excuse the shittyness with it being opportunisticly programmed => create more shitty apps to sell via ubuntu | 20:10 |
| nixternal | documentation and packaging is cool and what not, but I have done it for so long, that I need to find something new to do | 20:11 |
| apachelogger | that might become a whole new business opportunity | 20:11 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: you could become artist | 20:11 |
| nixternal | it hasn't yet, and seeing that I need a business oppoturnity really soon, I need to start doing something else | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | people who are burned out often take art classes I have been told | 20:12 |
| nixternal | I suck at art now | 20:12 |
| nixternal | I am not burned out, I am bored | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | that is why you take an art class first | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | so you learn art | 20:12 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: you could buzz the opportunistic business model | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | become the guru of OBM | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | then write a book about it | 20:13 |
| JontheEchidna | create the fanceh icons for opportunistic apps :D | 20:13 |
| nixternal | haha | 20:14 |
| JontheEchidna | but in each one hide a transparent turd outline | 20:14 |
| nixternal | kind of like someone did with GTD | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | hm | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | opportunistic icons! | 20:14 |
| nixternal | I should make up some fake ass thing like that, write a book | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | consisting only of lines | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | just imagine the possibilities | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | thin lines, thick lines, colored lines, no lines, straight lines.... | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | that alone would be worth a book | 20:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Let me push a, dare I say, exciting idea: dotted lines | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | An opportunistic artist's guide to icon design with inkscape | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: dont be silly | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | although, maybe it could work, if you wrap it in some more traditional lines | 20:16 |
| JontheEchidna | innovative opportunistic artowkr :P | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | you knwo how people are about revolution in the field of art | 20:16 |
| JontheEchidna | they hate it, until you opportunistically die :D | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | then they take that opportunity to sell your crap for too much money | 20:17 |
| apachelogger | very much so | 20:17 |
| nixternal | Innovative Diabolic Intelligent Opportunistic Technology | 20:17 |
| nixternal | IDIOT | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | haha | 20:17 |
| nixternal | there we go | 20:18 |
| apachelogger | <3 | 20:18 |
| * nixternal starts writing | 20:18 | |
| apachelogger | go nixternal go! | 20:18 |
| JontheEchidna | Innovative opportunistic buzzword business model | 20:18 |
| nixternal | isn't that "Cloud Computing"? | 20:18 |
| * apachelogger agrees | 20:18 | |
| JontheEchidna | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/25/ | 20:19 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | sweet baby jesus | 20:21 |
| JontheEchidna | so how can we synergize today? | 20:22 |
| seele | am i imagining things or is the performance on an encrypted harddrive really bad? | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | well, there is an unavoidable decription/encryption overhead | 20:36 |
| apachelogger | unless it is hardware encrypted, though even then there is an overhead I have been told...depends on the model as well I suppose | 20:37 |
| nixternal | I am using openSUSE, and the encryption performance is fine, when I was using it on Kubuntu it was fine there as well, though I have heard of people having performance issues | 20:41 |
| neversfelde | I never had a problem with encryption performance when using Kubuntu | 20:42 |
| claydoh | apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs work in progress | 20:49 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| claydoh | oy ppa confusion remains :( | 21:33 |
| claydoh | kubuntu-backports, beta-backports are pretty easy to describe | 21:34 |
| claydoh | what about kubuntu-updates and -experimental? | 21:34 |
| claydoh | can I more or less ignore their use in the wiki page? | 21:35 |
| claydoh | and focus only on the first 2? | 21:36 |
| neversfelde | claydoh: kubuntu-updates contains the maintenance releases | 21:36 |
| neversfelde | like 4.3.5 | 21:36 |
| neversfelde | before they go to the real backports | 21:36 |
| claydoh | ok | 21:36 |
| claydoh | then -backports is for major release, aka 4.4 | 21:37 |
| claydoh | which won't make it to real backports | 21:37 |
| claydoh | and -beta is, well, for beta :) | 21:37 |
| claydoh | I think I gots it, and might even be able to explain it :) | 21:38 |
| neversfelde | claydoh: mhh, I think 4.4 can go to backports, too although it is in the backports ppa, so this is not a criterion | 21:39 |
| neversfelde | "Updates for Kubuntu releases which are due to go to Ubuntu Updates. Mostly KDE point releases." | 21:39 |
| claydoh | neversfelde: iirc the qt update would keep it out of there, someone mentioned that to me | 21:39 |
| neversfelde | claydoh: yes, it did not happen for Karmic and Lucid | 21:40 |
| claydoh | 'point releases' is what I am explaining :) | 21:40 |
| neversfelde | but afair it happended for Jaunty | 21:40 |
| claydoh | well it is still explainable | 21:42 |
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| JontheEchidna | Riddell: could you remove and blacklist the knetworkmanager source package? It's popped back up | 21:55 |
| JontheEchidna | (the old kde3 package) | 21:57 |
| Riddell | can do | 21:59 |
| Riddell | NCommander: about? | 21:59 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: hmm, or maybe i can't | 22:09 |
| Zorael | Current live image of Lucid can't install; Ubiquity throws a python fit. Known issue? (AttributeError: 'PartMan' object has no attribute 'allow_change_step') | 22:11 |
| Riddell | Zorael: yes, shtylman said he'd be fixing it this evening | 22:12 |
| === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk | ||
| shtylman | Zorael: indeed... will be taking a look at these issues tonight. Alot of my code was recently merged with some major installer changes ... so breakage expected | 22:18 |
| Zorael | Riddell, shtylman: All right, thanks | 22:18 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna, nixternal, ScottK, apachelogger: anyone about to quiz NCommander | 22:27 |
| Riddell | ? | 22:27 |
| ScottK | For? | 22:27 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-dev | 22:27 |
| ScottK | Sorry, I've been very focused on $WORK lately and lost track. | 22:28 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelCasadevall/KubuntuDevApplication | 22:28 |
| ScottK | Is it time for the meeting? | 22:28 |
| Riddell | that was the plan, JontheEchidna and apachelogger said they'd be around | 22:29 |
| Riddell | and NCommander just showed up, at least in my /msg | 22:29 |
| * JontheEchidna is around | 22:29 | |
| * ScottK is sort of around. | 22:29 | |
| Riddell | three of us is good | 22:29 |
| ScottK | No Tonio | 22:29 |
| Riddell | NCommander: want to say why you want to be a kubuntu-dev? | 22:29 |
| ScottK | nixternal: around? | 22:29 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I guess not. | 22:32 |
| Riddell | mm, I'm sure he's just busy fixing kdebindings on ARM or something | 22:33 |
| ScottK | I'll take that for an excuse. | 22:33 |
| nixternal | i am here | 22:36 |
| NCommander | Riddell: sorry, I'm back. | 22:38 |
| Riddell | yay! | 22:38 |
| * NCommander was an hour off on his UTC conversion | 22:38 | |
| Riddell | NCommander: still want to be in kubuntu-dev? | 22:39 |
| NCommander | Yeah | 22:39 |
| Riddell | groovy, why's that? | 22:39 |
| NCommander | To help keep Kubuntu an dKubuntu netbook working on ARM mostly | 22:39 |
| Riddell | very noble | 22:40 |
| NCommander | And to help upload and update the packages to newest upstreams as they are mor eavailable | 22:40 |
| NCommander | and to help keep Debian and Ubuntu patches in sync | 22:40 |
| Riddell | NCommander: Feature Freeze is happing this week, what does that mean for uploading newest versions? | 22:40 |
| NCommander | Riddell: bug fix releases only can be uploaded without approval; for releases with new features, ubuntu-release or a delegated representative has to approve on a case-by-case basis | 22:41 |
| ScottK | NCommander: How's it going with getting arm stuff upstreamed to KDE? | 22:42 |
| NCommander | ScottK: all the major patches should be upstreamed and should build out of the box, although I admit I haven't built SVN from source in some time on ARM | 22:42 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Since you're bored, ask something hard. | 22:43 |
| nixternal | don't need to, I know his technical capabilities | 22:43 |
| JontheEchidna | he's packaged with the ninjas plenty of times, +1 here too | 22:43 |
| Riddell | NCommander: do you know the answer to the last question on http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pyqt-pykde/18505 ? | 22:44 |
| NCommander | Riddell: it makes sure python-qt4 properly supports floats for QLists and QVectors versus qreal which is required on ARM | 22:44 |
| NCommander | Riddell: on ARM, qreal == float versus double, and this requires some special handling w.r.t. to upcasting and such in structs. | 22:45 |
| JontheEchidna | gotta go, but +1 for NCommander in general | 22:46 |
| Riddell | NCommander: when we upload packages should we be taking into consideration the heavy use of the ARM buildds? | 22:46 |
| Riddell | e.g. on Qt or KDE SC uploads | 22:46 |
| NCommander | Riddell: Yes, just as we do i386/amd64, and especially during freezes when the release team may need priority on the buildds | 22:47 |
| Riddell | NCommander: which is better, KDE or Gnome? | 22:49 |
| nixternal | GNOME!!!! | 22:49 |
| NCommander | Riddell: KDE of course ;-) | 22:49 |
| Riddell | NCommander: ooh, don't let them hear you say that in #ubuntu-desktop :) | 22:50 |
| nixternal | oh, you didn't specify "Better at sucking" | 22:50 |
| nixternal | sorry | 22:50 |
| Riddell | groovy, I think I'm done, +1 from me for being very competant and useful | 22:50 |
| nixternal | +1 | 22:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK? | 22:50 |
| nixternal | he fell asleep on his walker | 22:50 |
| ScottK | +1 from me too | 22:50 |
| ScottK | Sorry. Multitasking. | 22:51 |
| ScottK | Unlike nixternal, I got stuff to do. | 22:51 |
| nixternal | yeah, I have 0 to do professionally right now | 22:51 |
| Riddell | harsh | 22:51 |
| nixternal | total downtime, no money, hating life | 22:51 |
| Riddell | great, welcome in NCommander, thanks for taking the grilling | 22:51 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Sounds like you're about ready for the Army. | 22:51 |
| nixternal | to old | 22:51 |
| nixternal | haha | 22:51 |
| Riddell | NCommander: whats your launchpad ID? | 22:52 |
| NCommander | Riddell: mcasadevall | 22:52 |
| NCommander | yay, now I have the power to upload stuff! | 22:52 |
| Riddell | added | 22:52 |
| neversfelde | congratulations NCommander | 22:53 |
| Riddell | use it wisely | 22:53 |
| * NCommander promptly uploads World Domination Virus 0.1 to the archive :-) | 22:53 | |
| Riddell | and remember you uploads are still quite limited, kubuntu stuff only, and that doesn't include kde4libs or qt | 22:53 |
| NCommander | Riddell: ? | 22:54 |
| NCommander | Riddell: those packages were on the ACL when I checked. | 22:54 |
| Riddell | hmm, I forget the magic runes for the ACL but JontheEchidna has been disappointed in his restrictions | 22:54 |
| * NCommander looks | 22:55 | |
| NCommander | Riddell: that seems a strange oversight, I can upload OOo for instance | 22:58 |
| neversfelde | mhh, two new upstream releases of kfritz today, because I complained :) | 22:58 |
| Riddell | yes, it's weird | 22:58 |
| NCommander | Riddell: who controlled this list? | 22:58 |
| neversfelde | that's what I call a good connection to upstream | 22:58 |
| Riddell | NCommander: it's done automatically using colin's setup | 22:58 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: nice | 22:58 |
| ScottK | NCommander: We've asked and it's on purpose the way it is. | 22:59 |
| * ScottK gives JontheEchidna a kick about his core-dev application. | 22:59 | |
| * NCommander is amazed I can upload OOo, but not Qt ... | 22:59 | |
| neversfelde | I cannot upload my package to revu, because it is not officially released, but would someone have a look at it. I do not want to dissapoint upstream by missing the ff | 22:59 |
| neversfelde | http://people.ubuntu.com/~neversfelde/ | 22:59 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: sure | 23:00 |
| nixternal | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KFritz?content=120190 <- you sure it isn't officially released? | 23:02 |
| Riddell | ooh a package using libindicate-qt-dev, agateau will be pleased | 23:02 |
| neversfelde | yep :) | 23:02 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: yes, it is 0.0.3, 0.0.2 linked against libssl-dev | 23:03 |
| neversfelde | they changed it | 23:04 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: I can understand you feelings, cause I am unemployed at the moment, too. I am sure better times will come :) | 23:05 |
| nixternal | they better come soon | 23:07 |
| neversfelde | yes | 23:08 |
| * ScottK avoids the temptation to engage in political discourse. | 23:08 | |
| Riddell | neversfelde: packaging all looks good | 23:09 |
| Riddell | when I start the app nothing much happens | 23:10 |
| nixternal | politics aren't helping, but what people are looking for I am not skilled in...everything here in Chicago is C++ for Stockbroakers, or Ruby for yet another stupid get your groceries website | 23:10 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: cool, do you have a Fritz!Box? | 23:10 |
| Riddell | nope | 23:10 |
| nixternal | seriously been thinking about changing my profession | 23:10 |
| neversfelde | Riddell: so, you cannot use it then :) | 23:11 |
| neversfelde | I'll upload it to REVU once it is released. It is really cool software for fritz!box users, which should be 50% of DSL customers here in germany | 23:13 |
| neversfelde | nixternal: I can destract you, you could write an endorsement for me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication | 23:18 |
| neversfelde | you reviewed my minitube package, so you should know parts of my work :) | 23:18 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: core-dev app sent to devel-permissions | 23:29 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Excellent. Please let me know when the meeting is. | 23:30 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: k. I'm hoping to get on next week's meeting | 23:30 |
| JontheEchidna | we'll see, though | 23:30 |
| shtylman | Riddell: is 4.4.1 gonna be in lucid? | 23:32 |
| Riddell | shtylman: probably 4.4.2 will be | 23:35 |
| shtylman | ooo cool | 23:35 |
| Riddell | got a fix you want in? | 23:35 |
| shtylman | heh yea | 23:35 |
| shtylman | I backported something into the 4.4 branch | 23:35 |
| shtylman | little stuff | 23:36 |
| shtylman | but I was just curious | 23:36 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: got some time to do a handful of removals/syncs? | 23:38 |
| JontheEchidna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=removal+||+sync | 23:39 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: is ~ubuntu-archive subscribed? | 23:40 |
| Riddell | I'm doing those bugs now | 23:40 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: yeah, should be | 23:40 |
| Riddell | I'll get to them shortly then, if I don't collapse from jetlag | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, Tuesday is your archive admin day, isn't it? | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: libksquirrel accidentally wasn't, I just added it | 23:41 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks, btw | 23:42 |
| JontheEchidna | hrm, kfocus isn't building without aRts either... | 23:42 |
| shtylman | Riddell: did you subscribe me to that bug you pointed out this morning? | 23:45 |
| Riddell | shtylman: no but it's on ubiquity, I thought you subscribed to ubiquity bugs | 23:46 |
| shtylman | yea | 23:46 |
| shtylman | I do | 23:46 |
| shtylman | if I could remember what it was called :p | 23:46 |
| shtylman | I get lots of bug emails ... | 23:47 |
| shtylman | Riddell: found it :) | 23:47 |
| shtylman | I don't get auto subscribed | 23:48 |
| shtylman | I just get emails | 23:48 |
| shtylman | so it makes it a bit hard to actually track down the bugs I am interested in | 23:48 |
| shtylman | if I havn't been subscribed | 23:48 |
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