[00:54] <ryanakca> Unpacking replacement kubuntu-firefox-installer ...
[00:54] <ryanakca> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kubuntu-firefox-installer_10.04ubuntu6_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package firefox-branding 0:3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[00:54] <ryanakca> apachelogger: ^^ ... need me to file a bug for you?
[01:50] <groo_> hi/2 all
[01:50] <groo_> i fixed my network problems with ppa, im back to contributing packages :)
[01:50] <groo_> apachelogger: Pici
[01:50] <groo_> apachelogger: ping
[01:50] <groo_> Riddell: ping
[01:51] <groo_> JontheEchidna: ping
[01:51] <Pici> groo_: I guess you weren't actually looking for me.
[01:52] <groo_> Pici: lol one tab too many, unless you are a motu
[01:52]  * groo_ is hunting for motus oO
[01:52] <Pici> groo_: Nope ;)
[01:52] <groo_> Pici: hmmmm snif snif...
[01:53]  * groo_ scents a motu near him
[01:53] <groo_> Pici: prove you arent a motu!
[01:55] <groo_> anyway :D im opening a needs-packaging for kx11grab
[01:55] <groo_> and i did a package for the newer skrooge... since the old version is already in kubuntu, what kind of bug i open? [needs-upgrading]? or something similar?
[01:56]  * persia notes that when the hunter announces their intent, the quarry have new incentives to make themselves scarce
[01:58]  * groo_ aims for persia
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> oh shit, bug 438279 never got merged upstream
[02:31]  * JontheEchidna prepares an emergency upload
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> I'll be marking dupes for that bug for weeks now :(
[02:45] <groo_> JontheEchidna: hi jon
[02:45] <groo_> can some motu sponsor this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=7805
[02:45] <groo_> JontheEchidna: jon a question, i did a skrooge 0.6.x package... since skrooge is already in kubuntu (old version) what is the proper thing to do?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> file an upgrade bug
[02:48] <groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah, a url pls? its the same procedure but [needs-update] instead of [needs-packaging]?
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> "Update to skrooge 0.6.0", add the "upgrade" tag to the bug, subscribe universe sponsors
[02:49] <groo_> JontheEchidna: ok, but nevermind, someone punch me to it :D
[02:49] <groo_> JontheEchidna: but kx11grab is new :)
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> brace yourself :P
[02:50] <groo_> JontheEchidna: hu? ¬¬
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> for the revu
[02:50] <groo_> JontheEchidna: ????
[02:50] <Lex79> lol
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> you wanted me to revu your kx11grab package, yes?
[02:51] <groo_> JontheEchidna: ah yes :) shoot
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> :)
[02:52] <groo_> JontheEchidna: in theory it should be all a ok, since i did pratically the same for the wally package
[02:52] <groo_> JontheEchidna: btw kudos for making motu :)
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> groo_: well, I became motu for almost a year, but thanks all the same :D
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> *almost a year ago
[02:53] <groo_> JontheEchidna: news take some time to get here :D
[02:56] <groo_> JontheEchidna: so? wheres the revu? lol
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> working on it
[02:57] <groo_> JontheEchidna: thanks :)
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> groo_: all done
[03:26] <groo_> JontheEchidna: anything for me to do?
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kx11grab <- pointy-clicky link
[03:27] <groo_> JontheEchidna: oh nvm, my browser was slow :D
[03:30] <groo_> JontheEchidna: thanks for the looong review :) a lot of broken stuff, gonna get to work tonight (if i can stay up (im old you know ;)) or the best, tomorrow, and upload a new version :)
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> :)
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> that is a fairly exhaustive list. I don't forsee any further issues other than the ones I've listed
[03:31] <groo_> JontheEchidna: very complete indeed, gonna learn a lot as usual :)
[03:32] <groo_> JontheEchidna: i need to have more attention to details.. and lintian :P
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[03:32] <groo_> JontheEchidna: but the more oficial packages i do, the sharper i get...
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> running lintian over the source.changes file and the .deb file give new insights that debuild -S -sa won't give
[03:32] <groo_> JontheEchidna: in my defense... the cbds is a moving target, i never know what goes with what
[03:32] <groo_> JontheEchidna: how do i do that?
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> groo_: lintian kx11grab_0.1.12-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> and lintian mydeb.deb
[03:33] <groo_> JontheEchidna: nice, didnt knew that :)
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, and actually there's some new packaging conventions that don't use cdbs at all, that are currently coming in to favor
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> I'm perfectly fine with sponsoring cdbs-based packages, though
[03:36] <groo_> JontheEchidna: ¬¬ like i said... moving target... where can i get some more info on what is the best practice? besides being informed in here :D
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> so yeah, things are moving a bit fast. Every release the KDE cdbs stuff has changed, and now this release things are starting not to use cdbs at all, but new debhelper magic
[03:36] <groo_> JontheEchidna: no, pls, not dh --kde... its a nightmare to costumize :P
[03:36] <groo_> customize
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah. Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with sponsoring cdbs packages
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> source format 3.0 is the other big thing
[03:37] <groo_> JontheEchidna: but where can i get some more info? is there a wiki or something?
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> allows you to use orig.tar.bz2 instead of orig.tar.gz if you wish, and has quilt built in
[03:38] <groo_> JontheEchidna: nice :)
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> this is the big article about it: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
[03:38] <groo_> JontheEchidna: i think i playerd with it for my rekonq packages
[03:38] <groo_> JontheEchidna: which btw i still defend as the big change for kubuntu (rekonq as default!!!) pls think about it
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> well, it's not up to one person to make the decision about default browser, you must understand
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> The Kubuntu Council will decide that
[03:39] <JontheEchidna> and I'm just one of six council members
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> I must say that, if not for 10.04, I'd love to see rekonq as default for 10.10
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> I'm just a bit leery about changing the default browser to a newcomer for an LTS cycle
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> but then, that's just my opinion
[03:41] <groo_> JontheEchidna: newcomer? did you check latest 0.3.92?
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> relatively speaking, it's been around for less than a year
[03:41] <groo_> JontheEchidna: im following rekonq since the begining... granted.. its new, but its very stable and featured.. only lacks java for now
[03:42] <groo_> JontheEchidna: rekonq its a shell for webkit, and yes, its new, but it has a lean codebase and very few bugs...
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> I still get the odd crash with it from time to time
[03:43] <groo_> JontheEchidna: from a user perspective i believe its much more usable then konqueror... since its almost identical to chromium, and its a browser, not a army swiss knife like konqueror (which i love, but its not for the average joe)
[03:43] <groo_> JontheEchidna: and you DONT with konqueror? :D
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> nope
[03:44] <groo_> JontheEchidna: can you point me to a url that crashes rekonq?
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> no, it's a bit more random than that
[03:44] <groo_> JontheEchidna: what version?
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> 0.3.90
[03:45] <groo_> JontheEchidna: strange, i very rarelly have crashes with rekonq, and i browse with it a lot (even benchmarks i do) :D
[03:45] <JontheEchidna> But like I said, I love rekonq too, it's just a bit young to be set out as default browser to be supported for 5 years since it's less than a year old and has not had widespread testing
[03:46] <JontheEchidna> and this is all my opinion
[03:47] <groo_> JontheEchidna: i agree in terms.. but my concern is that konqueror is even more fragile for browsing then rekonq is... and hasnt been any work for it in a long time (besides the bug fixing), not talking about khtml but the fronteend in itself
[03:47] <groo_> since 4.0 it has stayed basically the same
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> well, the interface hasn't really changed, but that'
[03:47] <groo_> khtml is mych better now
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> s really to be expected.
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> there have been plenty of bugfixes for the shell though
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> dfaure is paid to do such things, afaik
[03:48] <groo_> JontheEchidna: yes i agree... but konkie is a beast.. the bugs are spread across is many functions, but the browser part is probably one of the more neglected ones
[03:49] <groo_> JontheEchidna: konkie is old and it shows... rekonq is well.. peppy and fresh , like wii :D
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> heh, <3 wii
[03:49] <groo_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PhJp3ciRQ
[03:50] <groo_> just put your wife/mother in law, grandmother in front of both konkie and rekonq and ask them to browse the web.. see which one gives the best usability results...
[03:50] <JontheEchidna> oh wow, that brings back some memories. can't believe 05 was 5 years ago
[03:51] <groo_> JontheEchidna: :)
[03:51] <groo_> JontheEchidna: im not the only one getting old :P
[03:52] <groo_> brb
[03:52] <JontheEchidna> but I'm only 18 D:
[04:19] <groo_> JontheEchidna: im gonna be 35 this year...
[04:21] <freeflying> groo_: :)
[04:22] <groo_> freeflying: :D
[07:14] <apachelogger> ryanakca: does firefox-branding have a replaces kfi? because it should :S
[07:20] <Riddell> morning Kubuntus
[07:23] <apachelogger> a very good morning to you too Riddell!
[07:23]  * apachelogger thinks that diffing on revu is broken
[07:23] <Riddell> Karmic users needed to test Amarok from ~kubuntu-ppa/beta
[07:31] <Mamarok> what is going on with user management in KDE SC 4.4? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227079
[07:32] <Mamarok> why does it require a python module? Looks like Kubuntu specific
[07:32] <apachelogger> that is userconfig
[07:32] <apachelogger> and yeah it is kubuntu specific
[07:32] <apachelogger> and no I do not like it being pyware
[07:32] <Mamarok> and how can I make this work again?
[07:32] <apachelogger> and yes KDE should fix up kuser :P
[07:34] <apachelogger> Mamarok: what does it spit out if you run kcmshell4 userconfig
[07:34] <apachelogger> in konsole obviously :)
[07:34] <apachelogger> Mamarok: bug should be closed as downstream though
[07:34] <Mamarok> it triggers the same crash as before
[07:35] <apachelogger> Mamarok: no, I mean what does it say there?
[07:35] <apachelogger> if nothing ... run kdebugdialog and turn on everything, then try again
[07:35] <Mamarok> ah, second...
[07:36] <Mamarok> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/d52c67e8
[07:39] <apachelogger> ehm
[07:39] <apachelogger> the fuck
[07:39] <apachelogger> Mamarok: is your system all up-to-date?
[07:39] <apachelogger> especially pyqt4
[07:39] <Mamarok> I would say so, but let me check if I missed an update...
[07:39] <apachelogger> because I should have fixed that bug 2 days ago
[07:39] <apachelogger> or so I thought
[07:40] <Mamarok> yep, all up-to-date
[07:41] <apachelogger> oha
[07:41] <apachelogger> neato
[07:41] <apachelogger> for some reason I have debian/patches/patches
[07:41] <apachelogger> very weird
[07:41] <Mamarok> hm, I don't have that many bindings installed though, only python-qt-4 and python-qt4-dbus
[07:42] <Mamarok> shouldn't others be installed if there is a hard dependency?
[07:42] <apachelogger> you must have python-kde4, otherwise I dont think it would come to fail at that bug in pyqt4
[07:43] <Mamarok> that is installed
[07:43] <apachelogger> ehm
[07:44] <apachelogger> for some reason the whole pyqt4 package does not apply patches
[07:44] <Mamarok> nice...
[07:45] <apachelogger> you know
[07:45] <apachelogger> everytime I look at some pystuff I get to hate it more
[07:45] <Mamarok> I feel with you :)
[07:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: phil had a query about your patch by the way http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pyqt-pykde/18505
[07:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: some thing in userconfig
[07:50] <apachelogger> hm
[07:51] <apachelogger> somehow I managed to screw up that pyqt4 for karmic
[07:54] <apachelogger> hm
[07:54] <apachelogger> pyqt4 uses quilt but doesnt use quilt Oo
[07:54] <apachelogger> insane
[07:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's source format 3.0 in lucid so there the patches get applied when the package is extracted
[07:55] <Riddell> no so in karmic
[07:55] <Riddell> it'll need debian/rules in karmic
[07:59] <apachelogger> yeah, bad backport :P
[08:06] <Riddell> shtylman: has the button order changed in ubiquity?
[08:07] <Riddell> shtylman: funky new progress bar but I think it caused a crash
[08:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: userproperties-details.ui from userconfig
[08:09] <apachelogger> as per http://pastebin.com/d52c67e8
[08:09] <ghostcube> morning :)
[08:12] <Riddell> shtylman: bug 522502
[08:12] <Riddell> shtylman: also the new "update from internet" button could do with some explanation
[09:15] <agateau> hey
[09:16] <agateau> Riddell: just a quick head up on M.I: I uncovered some issues which needs a new version of libindicate and libindicate-qt, hopefully it should be there before the end of this week
[09:26] <apachelogger> jussi01, tsimpson: ping
[09:29] <tsimpson> apachelogger: pong
[09:30] <Riddell> agateau: does that mean we get the spark icon back? :)
[09:30] <apachelogger> tsimpson: sudo cp /home/apachelogger/kubotu.conf /etc/init/
[09:31] <apachelogger> tsimpson: gotta test if that beast actually works upon startup
[09:31] <apachelogger> which is really what it is meant for :D
[09:31] <apachelogger> Mamarok: please try upgrading with pyton-qt4 from the staging ppa, if I am not mistaken it should fix userconfig
[09:31]  * apachelogger reboots to test upstart job
[09:32] <tsimpson> copied
[09:34] <apachelogger> tsimpson: thanks, seems to be working
[09:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: you lucky bot now got autostarting upon boot :D
[09:38] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[09:38] <agateau> Riddell: that's the major issue it's addressing :)
[09:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: python?
[09:46] <apachelogger> kubotu: hello
[09:46] <kubotu> hello owner :)
[09:46] <apachelogger> oh my :D
[09:47] <agateau> next release ok kubotu will say "yes master" :)
[09:47] <agateau> s/ok/of/
[09:49] <apachelogger> well, I think that can be easily changed wihtout new release :D
[09:49] <apachelogger> anyhow
[09:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: karmastats
[09:49] <kubotu> 499 items. Best: C (193); Worst: < (-97)
[09:49] <apachelogger> hm
[09:50] <apachelogger> we need a policy to use <= instead of <--
[09:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: hm, no staging ppa for me today, I still need this machine for work this afternoon, so I can't afford to break anything
[09:55] <Mamarok> it wasn't that important, I rarely use the userconfig, was just trying to find some settings in the groups when I stumbled on it
[09:56] <jussi01> apachelogger: ++
[09:56] <jussi01> (for the init script)
[10:05] <apachelogger> Mamarok: there should be no upgrades in staging other than python-qt4
[10:05] <apachelogger> and that should at the very best improve something ;)
[10:06] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you will be responsible for my money loss if it goes wrong :)
[10:06] <apachelogger> like kde is responsible for the money loss due to kaddressbook :P
[10:06] <apachelogger> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=85382
[10:07] <apachelogger> indeed I must agree with them users, that the kaddressbook regression is a bit of a fail
[10:10] <a|wen> any reason why we have amarok 2.2.1 and not 2.2.2 in the updates-PPA? shouldn't we just copy the 2.2.2 from the backports-PPA (running it together with kde 4.3.5 works)
[10:11] <Mamarok> a|wen: Amarok 2.2.2 is in the backports, no?
[10:11]  * apachelogger thinks launchpad needs a central point to control version deployments
[10:11] <a|wen> Mamarok: true; but shouldn't 2.2.2 be in updates?
[10:12] <Mamarok> a|wen: well, yes, but since there is such a confusion about what should go where in those PPAs, a clear policy for everybody should be written in stone once and for all
[10:13] <Mamarok> else it will continue being a mess at every single release
[10:13] <apachelogger> claydoh started work on that
[10:13] <apachelogger> but dropped the ball
[10:13] <Mamarok> apachelogger: because it is a mess?
[10:13] <apachelogger> pretty much so
[10:14] <a|wen> Mamarok: it was written and posted to the ML a year ago or such ... but well, everybody tends to forget over time :)
[10:14] <apachelogger> a|wen: that was incomplete
[10:14] <Mamarok> carving it on the back of the hands maybe?
[10:15] <Mamarok> a tattoo :)
[10:15] <Mamarok> which would also be a nice way to identify Kubuntu packagers :)
[10:15] <a|wen> apachelogger: i remember it being pretty complete; but we have probably discovered some extra cases that wasn't covered since then
[10:16]  * a|wen wonders where the groceries-list should go then ;)
[10:16] <apachelogger> either way the ml is not place to write policies down :P
[10:16] <a|wen> true that
[10:16] <a|wen> well, amarok 2.2.2 copied to updates
[10:18] <apachelogger> a|wen: rebuild I hope
[10:18] <apachelogger> otherwise there might be linkage problems
[10:20] <a|wen> apachelogger: it was built against kde 4.3.2 so shouldn't be needed
[10:20] <apachelogger> you are repsonsible if something breaks :P
[10:20] <apachelogger> talking about breaking
[10:20] <apachelogger> Mamarok: did you try new python-qt4?
[10:21] <a|wen> apachelogger: i know ;)
[10:21] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I am doing as we speak...
[10:21] <apachelogger> kk
[10:21] <Mamarok> yay!
[10:21] <Mamarok> it works :)
[10:21]  * Mamarok hugs apachelogger
[10:30] <apachelogger> cool
[11:47]  * jussi01 grumbles at desktop effects being evil and dropping me to a nice balck screen with a flashing _
[11:48] <markey> uhm
[11:48] <markey> is this normal or bad:
[11:48] <markey> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:48] <markey>   libglu1-xorg-dev{u} libkrosspython0{u} liblcms1-dev{u} libmng-dev{u} libpq-dev{u} libqt4-phonon-dev{u} libscim8c2a{u} libsqlite0{u} libsqlite0-dev{u} libxmu-dev{u}
[11:48] <markey>   libxmu-headers{u} qt4-demos{u} qt4-designer{u} qt4-dev-tools{u} qt4-doc{u} xlibmesa-gl-dev{u}
[11:48] <markey> (wanted to install gtimelog)
[11:48] <jussi01> markey: aptitude?
[11:48] <markey> yes
[11:49] <markey> "sudo aptitude install gtimelog"
[11:49] <markey> is what I did
[11:49] <markey> then I got that result
[11:49] <jussi01> curious. I dont use aptitude myself, but lemme try with apt-get
[11:49] <markey> I love aptitude, normally. it's nice that it does all things in one program
[11:49] <markey> no need to use several
[11:49] <persia> If your previous command was `apt-get build-dep ${something}`, this is expected behaviour: it's removing the stuff you don't need and haven't marked as explicitly wanting.
[11:50] <markey> persia: I didn't do that, not that I could remember
[11:50] <jussi01> ahh, I thought it would be something like that
[11:50] <markey> so, you think it's safe to proceed?
[11:50] <markey> can I make it not remove this stuff somehow?
[11:50] <markey> I'd rather keep it...
[11:51] <persia> markey: `aptitude unmarkauto <list>` tells it to remove those from the uninstallation candidate list.
[11:51] <markey> ah
[11:52] <markey> "sudo apt-get install gtimelog"
[11:52] <markey> that works better
[11:52] <markey> it only suggests to remove the packages, but doesn't do it by default
[11:52] <persia> markey: Be aware that large chunks of the archive are not tested to ensure they are compatible with aptitude's resolver, so you may end up with unexpected behaviour.
[11:52] <markey> oh
[11:52] <markey> good to know
[11:52]  * persia is a huge aptitude fan, but often has to work around certain classes of bug
[11:52] <markey> isn't that a bit confusing, having two different tools, with different behavior?
[11:59] <persia> markey: There's lots of that sort of thing around.  One claim is that having two different implementations of a policy is a good way to differentiate bugs in policy from bugs in tools.
[12:00] <markey> yeah, understandable
[12:06] <olenz> Hi Developers! Can anybody tell me about the state of the plasma-widgeth-networkmanagement?
[12:07] <olenz> If I see it right, its not a plasma widget, but knetworkmanager instead, right?
[12:07] <olenz> What happened to the widget?
[12:09] <Riddell> olenz: right, the plasmoid isn't finished, maybe agateau will finish it next week
[12:09] <olenz> oh
[12:09] <olenz> so knetworkmanager is only a temporary walkaround?
[12:10] <Riddell> yes
[12:10] <olenz> Ah, very good, thanks for this info!
[12:42] <Riddell> Lex79: how did you get on with qt 4.6.2?
[12:46]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3-beta
[13:41] <neversfelde> Riddell: the news is wrong, it is in beta backports not n backports
[13:41] <neversfelde> I'll correct that
[13:41] <Riddell> ok thanks
[13:42] <shtylman> Riddell: will look into those tonight
[13:42] <shtylman> Riddell: progress bar is part of main window now to stop annoying popups
[13:48] <ejat> Riddell: why amarok 2:2.2.2.90-0ubuntu1 still build with kde 4.3.2 ?
[13:48] <Riddell> because it's for karmic
[13:48] <Riddell> shtylman: keyboard maps is impressively correct
[13:49] <ejat> owh .. for lucid its already build with kde 4.4 ?
[13:50] <Riddell> mm hmm
[13:52] <shtylman> :)
[13:52] <Riddell> Nightrose: I got timeline and file searching working!
[14:24] <Riddell> kubuntu-netbook daily works!
[14:25] <jjesse> wooot woot
[14:33]  * jussi01 giggles again at the "details" while kpackagekit is installing/downloading updates
[16:29] <Nightrose> Riddell: yay
[16:29] <Nightrose> any way i can get it to work as well?
[16:30] <Riddell> Nightrose: you need to install shared-desktop-ontologies, and remove ~/..kde/share/config/dolphinrc
[16:30] <Riddell> and /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/dolphinrc
[16:30] <Nightrose> ah ok - will try when i'm at home
[16:30] <Nightrose> thx
[16:30] <Riddell> and fiddle around with the settings until it decides to work
[16:31] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:44]  * Riddell wonders who CarlSymons is
[16:45] <Riddell> NCommander: when would you like to have a kubuntu-dev interview? any of the green ones at http://doodle.com/tyizyw72vm67w7qw
[16:52] <NCommander> Riddell: all of the above is fine. I leave it up to you to decide when is best for you
[16:54] <Riddell> no jon around, will ping him when he appears
[18:05] <apachelogger> jussi01: oh yes those details are very much gigglible
[18:05] <Lex79> Riddell: obviously we need a new Phonon patch to build Qt
[18:05] <Riddell> Lex79: oh.  phonon.  foo.
[18:07] <Lex79> I talked with sandsmark but he didn't reply yet
[18:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: shared-desktop-ontologies should be in the dep chain already
[18:10] <apachelogger> not sure whether I uploaded it to lucid though
[18:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: it wasn't, I added it to kdebase-runtime depends as per trueg advice and debian practice
[18:24] <Nightrose> Riddell: hmmm shared-desktop-ontologies was installed already here
[18:25] <Nightrose> and dolphin settings shouldn't affect showing of content in timeline:/ no?
[18:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: oha, I added it to kdelibs5
[18:29] <apachelogger> since that beasty build-depends on it
[18:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: possibly I committed the dep to the kdelibs bzr branch
[18:31] <Riddell> Nightrose: no it shouldn't
[18:31] <Nightrose> Riddell: mphf - any other idea why it doesn't work here?
[18:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: broken repository
[18:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ?
[18:32] <apachelogger> screwed up virtuoso stuffs
[18:32] <apachelogger> maybe getting .kde/share/apps/nepomuk out of the way helps
[18:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also, it is very very very slow
[18:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: if you killall nepomukserver and run it on the command line, what's the output?
[18:33]  * Nightrose tries
[18:35] <Nightrose> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/d730f2694
[18:37] <Riddell> "Failed to start Virtuoso" that doesn't look good
[18:38] <Riddell> "This server does not read this pre 6.0 format."
[18:38] <Riddell> do you have virtuosoconverter installed?
[18:38] <Nightrose> indeed... :D
[18:38]  * Nightrose looks
[18:39] <Nightrose> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:39] <Nightrose>   virtuoso-server: Depends: virtuoso-opensource-6.0 but it is not going to be installed
[18:39] <Nightrose> ahhh
[18:39] <Nightrose> sorry
[18:39] <Nightrose> sec
[18:40] <Nightrose> yes virtuosoconverter is installed and in newest version
[18:40] <Riddell> virtuoso-server isn't needed, virtuoso-nepomuk is the one now
[18:40] <Nightrose> k
[18:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[18:46] <apachelogger> _Groo_: pong
[18:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, youd need to runt he converter really
[18:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: how do i know that? how does $randomuser know this? ;-)
[18:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hi apachelogger, im fixing the kx11grab, can you sponsor it when im finished (since jontheechidna is MIA)
[18:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: go complain to trueg
[18:47] <_Groo_> Nightrose: nepomuk? ;) the converter isnt working very well
[18:47] <apachelogger> or rather to the virtuoso god
[18:47]  * Nightrose kicks them
[18:47] <apachelogger> after all that beast did not even decide to provide the converter themself
[18:47] <Nightrose> awesome
[18:48]  * _Groo_ thinks is gonna record a video.. with him crying.. leeva trueg alone!!! lol
[18:48] <apachelogger> kind of funny when you think about it, one of the pillars of kde depends on an upstream that does not even get to migrate data across versions
[18:48] <apachelogger> then again kde did not bother to migrate large parts of KDE 3 data either :P
[18:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it happens in IT... for ex.. im migrating a telecom from WAS 4.0 to 5.x
[18:49] <apachelogger> no no
[18:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: IBM migration docs: dump 4.0 data, install 4.3 (intermediary).. pray for conversion to work
[18:49]  * Nightrose grumbles and gets food
[18:50] <apachelogger> I did never ever see postgres loose data upon upgrade
[18:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: dump again, install 5.x, repeat praying
[18:50] <apachelogger> there is a difference between sensible solutions and not so sensible ones
[18:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna!
[18:50] <Tm_T> apachelogger: indeed
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> oh hai
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> just read irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: agreed, but for what i gather, Virt6.0 was a rewrite.. couldnt mantain backward data compatbilty, but i agree its a screw up
[18:51]  * _Groo_ greets JontheEchidna
[18:51] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you do not need to maintain backward compability
[18:51] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: just saying to apachelogger that im gonna fix the revu and ping you guys for sponsorsgip
[18:51] <_Groo_> ship
[18:51] <apachelogger> you need to migrate the freakin data
[18:51] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I actually decided to lose all my nepomuk data, conversion results caused nepomuk to eat cpu and ram more than my heaviest system could handle
[18:52] <_Groo_> Tm_T: same... it was "easy" to just loose and remake
[18:52] <_Groo_> Tm_T: easier
[18:52] <apachelogger> now
[18:52] <apachelogger> so, imagine they decide to rewrite again for v7 or v8
[18:52] <Tm_T> and this shouldn't happen, really
[18:52] <apachelogger> and again fail to provide migration
[18:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I don't need to imagine, I pretty much expect that to happen
[18:53]  * _Groo_ imagines popular uproar, forks, fires... ppl screaming.. groo rising from the ashes as a popular leader, taking kde mankind to the next step
[18:53] <apachelogger> people are bitching a lot about kaddressbook not showing data, now what if nepomuk actually looses data
[18:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: this is all very experimental, kde is pushing the envelope on what we can do with our data.. colateral damage is inavoidable
[18:54] <apachelogger> experimental?
[18:55] <apachelogger> this is a trial'n'error approach IMHO
[18:55] <Tm_T> _Groo_: doesn't mean things couldn't be done better, but I am not blaming trueg at all, he seems to be quite alone with this
[18:55] <apachelogger> we are at KDE 4.4 and the 3. data storage backend for nepomuk
[18:55] <apachelogger> first we had that slow beast of which I forgot the name, followed by the java thingy that ate all your ram, and now we have a somewhat decently fast thingy that fails to migrate data
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> nonfree java thingy that ate all your ram, nonetheless
[18:56] <apachelogger> righto
[18:56] <_Groo_> sesame and redland
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> virtuoso still likes to nom on your RAM, but you can set the lower limit to 50 MB
[18:56] <_Groo_> if my memory doenst fail me
[18:57] <_Groo_> well semantic desktops are very cutting edge, no one else is doing this stuff like kde is... road  bumps are expected
[18:57] <_Groo_> i for one welcome our new semantic overlords
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> I've never seen anything with a GUI to set RAM usage before (or anything with the need for such a gui, actually)
[18:59] <_Groo_> and anyway, theres always the call center approach to bitching
[18:59] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: its because in mac/windows they just eat up all your ram WIHTOUT asking :D
[18:59] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: they know better
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> it seems that it could just smartly schedule things based on the amount of free ram, without creating a whole gui for it
[19:00] <apachelogger> dude
[19:00] <apachelogger> it cant even migrate data :P
[19:00] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: logically true, but DBs dont work that way
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> well, it has a manual RAM limiter. It also has access to numbers on the amount of free ram
[19:01] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that has nothing to do with it being a db
[19:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, nixternal_, apachelogger: how does 23:00 today suit to quiz NCommander?
[19:02] <Riddell> UTC
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should work fine for me
[19:02] <apachelogger> rather latish for me
[19:03] <Riddell> 22:00?
[19:03] <apachelogger> more like it
[19:03] <markey> Riddell: I had a slight problem with KMail from 4.4: overall it worked great, but PGP support didn't work. then Paul Adams just gave me this advice:
[19:04] <markey> ""Run gpg-agent --daemon, copy the result into a konsole and then launch !kontact  from that konsole. Ping the packager to fix this."
[19:04] <apachelogger> if I do not fall asleep :D
[19:04] <markey> is it a packaging issue?
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> doesn't really sound like a packaging issue at all
[19:04] <markey> I couldn't tell...
[19:04] <markey> it's just what Paul dented
[19:05] <markey> http://identi.ca/notice/22213442
[19:05] <markey> that said, I did have KPGP running
[19:05] <markey> and it normally works fine
[19:05] <markey> KGPG
[19:05] <markey> or whatever it's called
[19:13] <neversfelde> do I need to override a lintian warning like this: "W: mdic: extra-license-file usr/share/doc/mdic/COPYING.gz" ?
[19:29] <_Groo_> guys how can i make sure nepomuk search is actually searching anything? according to search service, i have 8000+ files indexed (mostrly mp3s all tagged) and a few folders with odt and pdf, but a search results always shows empty in dolphin :(
[19:37] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you should not install that license file :P
[19:37] <apachelogger> unless it is necessary
[19:37] <apachelogger> which it hopefully is not
[19:37] <apachelogger> also I personally am against overriding lintian warnings altogether
[19:38] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am not sure, why this file is installed
[19:39] <_Groo_> guys, little bug, please open knotes and quit knotes.. it will crash.. it was fixed in latest kubuntu kde ubuntu3 but is broken in ubuntu4 again
[19:39] <nixternal_> Riddell: that time is good for me
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> _Groo_: bug 521011
[19:44] <binarylooks> concenring kubuntu lucid on netbooks. the following line was missing in the kwinrc file:
[19:44] <binarylooks> BorderlessMaximizedWindows=true
[19:45] <nixternal> I AM BORED!!!
[19:47] <ScottK> neversfelde: It should not be installed.  The lintian warning is correct.
[19:47] <markey> nixternal: GOOD LORD!
[19:47] <markey> nixternal: THIS CANNOT STAND!
[19:47] <markey> nixternal: chop chop!
[19:47] <neversfelde> apachelogger, ScottK: thanks, I'll have a look at it
[19:47] <markey> make some coffee for Shuttleworth
[19:50] <nixternal> i would rather swallow gasoline and a lit match
[19:52] <ScottK> I'd pay to see that.
[19:52] <nixternal> thanks :p
[19:52]  * _Groo_ raises hand.. ill buy the popcorn is nixtenral sets himself on fire :D
[19:53] <_Groo_> if nixternal*
[19:53] <ScottK> You should feel good.  I've got about zero time for Kubuntu development right now, but I still have time to abuse you.
[19:53] <ScottK> You're a high priority.
[19:54] <nixternal> haha, ass
[19:57] <apachelogger> hm
[19:57] <apachelogger> nixternal on fire
[19:57] <apachelogger> no no! I do not like that!
[19:58] <apachelogger> we must also love the windows users
[19:58] <apachelogger> they cant help being what they are :/
[19:58] <nixternal> I should go back to Windows
[19:58] <nixternal> seeing as I interviewed yesterday with microsoft :D
[19:58] <apachelogger> you did?
[19:58] <apachelogger> cool
[19:59]  * apachelogger always wanted to work at microsoft's
[19:59] <nixternal> yeah, my buddy, and someone in this channel, pushed me :p
[19:59] <apachelogger> until I got to meet MS austria's academic evangelist
[19:59] <apachelogger> he freaked me out quite a bit
[20:00] <nixternal> it was a phone interview, but it went well...it will be working with Open Source, but from the way it sounds, they have a ton of people they are interviewing
[20:00] <_Groo_> guys how do i reset the entire strigi/nepomuk data?
[20:01] <_Groo_> i remove .kde/share/nepomuk , anything else?
[20:01] <nixternal> actually said they are interviewing people who have a lot of "community" experience
[20:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: you do have that with your loco work and all, dont you?
[20:02] <nixternal> i would have thought so, but from the way it sounds, they either want someone with more community experience
[20:03] <nixternal> don't know how much more community experience one can have...all it takes is being friendly...isn't like it is a damn skill or anything
[20:03] <apachelogger> jono makes it sound like a science
[20:03] <apachelogger> :D
[20:03] <apachelogger> always impressed by how important one can make "being friendly" sound like :P
[20:05] <apachelogger> oh, on a related topic is opportunistic a new fancy word to use instead of python?
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:05] <nixternal> hahaha
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> "people who crap out python scripts and call them apps" :P
[20:06] <nixternal> opportunistic is a bit deeper than python
[20:06] <ScottK> Ironically I'm in the middle of crapping out a Python script.
[20:06] <nixternal> though you wouldn't think so, seeing as all of the so-called opportunistic apps we have seen have been written with python
[20:07] <nixternal> I am learning Mono/C#/.NET
[20:07] <nixternal> so, I am in the middle of crapping out my life
[20:07] <apachelogger> lulz
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: you must be an opportunistic developer :P
[20:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: how much deeper than python?
[20:08] <nixternal> apachelogger: think Apps Store or such for iPhones
[20:08] <apachelogger> nixternal: I recon python is already very deep shit
[20:08] <apachelogger> omg!
[20:08] <apachelogger> app store for linux
[20:08] <nixternal> all of those really shitty apps, well opportunistic programming makes all those shitty apps, easily available for Ubuntu
[20:08] <apachelogger> oh, we have that already
[20:08] <apachelogger> software center or what is it called now
[20:09] <nixternal> yeah, but I guess people need more opportunity
[20:09] <apachelogger> ah
[20:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: When there is an opportunity to be paid for it, yes.
[20:09] <apachelogger> AH
[20:09] <apachelogger> I think I get the concept now
[20:10] <nixternal> yeah, seeing as I don't get paid for Linux, it isn't opportunistic enough
[20:10] <nixternal> I have 2 hobbies that are fairly big...cycling and linux/floss stuff
[20:10] <nixternal> right now, cycling > linux/floss stuff...I am not burning out, I am just getting bored
[20:10] <apachelogger> create buzz about how you will create a shitty app by calling yourself opportunistic programmer => create shitty app => sell it via ubuntu => excuse the shittyness with it being opportunisticly programmed => create more shitty apps to sell via ubuntu
[20:11] <nixternal> documentation and packaging is cool and what not, but I have done it for so long, that I need to find something new to do
[20:11] <apachelogger> that might become a whole new business opportunity
[20:11] <apachelogger> nixternal: you could become artist
[20:12] <nixternal> it hasn't yet, and seeing that I need a business oppoturnity really soon, I need to start doing something else
[20:12] <apachelogger> people who are burned out often take art classes I have been told
[20:12] <nixternal> I suck at art now
[20:12] <nixternal> I am not burned out, I am bored
[20:12] <apachelogger> that is why you take an art class first
[20:12] <apachelogger> so you learn art
[20:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: you could buzz the opportunistic business model
[20:13] <apachelogger> become the guru of OBM
[20:13] <apachelogger> then write a book about it
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> create the fanceh icons for opportunistic apps :D
[20:14] <nixternal> haha
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> but in each one hide a transparent turd outline
[20:14] <nixternal> kind of like someone did with GTD
[20:14] <apachelogger> hm
[20:14] <apachelogger> opportunistic icons!
[20:14] <nixternal> I should make up some fake ass thing like that, write a book
[20:14] <apachelogger> consisting only of lines
[20:14] <apachelogger> just imagine the possibilities
[20:15] <apachelogger> thin lines, thick lines, colored lines, no lines, straight lines....
[20:15] <apachelogger> that alone would be worth a book
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> Let me push a, dare I say, exciting idea: dotted lines
[20:15] <apachelogger> An opportunistic artist's guide to icon design with inkscape
[20:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dont be silly
[20:16] <apachelogger> although, maybe it could work, if you wrap it in some more traditional lines
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> innovative opportunistic artowkr :P
[20:16] <apachelogger> you knwo how people are about revolution in the field of art
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> they hate it, until you opportunistically die :D
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> then they take that opportunity to sell your crap for too much money
[20:17] <apachelogger> very much so
[20:17] <nixternal> Innovative Diabolic Intelligent Opportunistic Technology
[20:17] <nixternal> IDIOT
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> haha
[20:18] <nixternal> there we go
[20:18] <apachelogger> <3
[20:18]  * nixternal starts writing
[20:18] <apachelogger> go nixternal go!
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> Innovative opportunistic buzzword business model
[20:18] <nixternal> isn't that "Cloud Computing"?
[20:18]  * apachelogger agrees
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/25/
[20:20] <nixternal> hahaha
[20:21] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> so how can we synergize today?
[20:35] <seele> am i imagining things or is the performance on an encrypted harddrive really bad?
[20:36] <apachelogger> well, there is an unavoidable decription/encryption overhead
[20:37] <apachelogger> unless it is hardware encrypted, though even then there is an overhead I have been told...depends on the model as well I suppose
[20:41] <nixternal> I am using openSUSE, and the encryption performance is fine, when I was using it on Kubuntu it was fine there as well, though I have heard of people having performance issues
[20:42] <neversfelde> I never had a problem with encryption performance when using Kubuntu
[20:49] <claydoh> apachelogger: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs work in progress
[21:33] <claydoh> oy ppa confusion remains :(
[21:34] <claydoh> kubuntu-backports, beta-backports are pretty easy to describe
[21:34] <claydoh> what about kubuntu-updates and -experimental?
[21:35] <claydoh> can I more or less ignore their use in the wiki page?
[21:36] <claydoh> and focus only on the first 2?
[21:36] <neversfelde> claydoh: kubuntu-updates contains the maintenance releases
[21:36] <neversfelde> like 4.3.5
[21:36] <neversfelde> before they go to the real backports
[21:36] <claydoh> ok
[21:37] <claydoh> then -backports is for major release, aka 4.4
[21:37] <claydoh> which won't make it to real backports
[21:37] <claydoh> and -beta is, well, for beta :)
[21:38] <claydoh> I think I gots it, and might even be able to explain it :)
[21:39] <neversfelde> claydoh: mhh, I think 4.4 can go to backports, too although it is in the backports ppa, so this is not a criterion
[21:39] <neversfelde> "Updates for Kubuntu releases which are due to go to Ubuntu Updates. Mostly KDE point releases."
[21:39] <claydoh> neversfelde: iirc the qt update would keep it out of there, someone mentioned that to me
[21:40] <neversfelde> claydoh: yes, it did not happen for Karmic and Lucid
[21:40] <claydoh> 'point releases' is what I am explaining :)
[21:40] <neversfelde> but afair it happended for Jaunty
[21:42] <claydoh> well it is still explainable
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you remove and blacklist the knetworkmanager source package? It's popped back up
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> (the old kde3 package)
[21:59] <Riddell> can do
[21:59] <Riddell> NCommander: about?
[22:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hmm, or maybe i can't
[22:11] <Zorael> Current live image of Lucid can't install; Ubiquity throws a python fit. Known issue? (AttributeError: 'PartMan' object has no attribute 'allow_change_step')
[22:12] <Riddell> Zorael: yes, shtylman said he'd be fixing it this evening
[22:18] <shtylman> Zorael: indeed... will be taking a look at these issues tonight. Alot of my code was recently merged with some major installer changes ... so breakage expected
[22:18] <Zorael> Riddell, shtylman: All right, thanks
[22:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, nixternal, ScottK, apachelogger: anyone about to quiz NCommander
[22:27] <Riddell> ?
[22:27] <ScottK> For?
[22:27] <Riddell> kubuntu-dev
[22:28] <ScottK> Sorry, I've been very focused on $WORK lately and lost track.
[22:28] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelCasadevall/KubuntuDevApplication
[22:28] <ScottK> Is it time for the meeting?
[22:29] <Riddell> that was the plan, JontheEchidna and apachelogger said they'd be around
[22:29] <Riddell> and NCommander just showed up, at least in my /msg
[22:29]  * JontheEchidna is around
[22:29]  * ScottK is sort of around.
[22:29] <Riddell> three of us is good
[22:29] <ScottK> No Tonio
[22:29] <Riddell> NCommander: want to say why you want to be a kubuntu-dev?
[22:29] <ScottK> nixternal: around?
[22:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I guess not.
[22:33] <Riddell> mm, I'm sure he's just busy fixing kdebindings on ARM or something
[22:33] <ScottK> I'll take that for an excuse.
[22:36] <nixternal> i am here
[22:38] <NCommander> Riddell: sorry, I'm back.
[22:38] <Riddell> yay!
[22:38]  * NCommander was an hour off on his UTC conversion
[22:39] <Riddell> NCommander: still want to be in kubuntu-dev?
[22:39] <NCommander> Yeah
[22:39] <Riddell> groovy, why's that?
[22:39] <NCommander> To help keep Kubuntu an dKubuntu netbook working on ARM mostly
[22:40] <Riddell> very noble
[22:40] <NCommander> And to help upload and update the packages to newest upstreams as they are mor eavailable
[22:40] <NCommander> and to help keep Debian and Ubuntu patches in sync
[22:40] <Riddell> NCommander: Feature Freeze is happing this week, what does that mean for uploading newest versions?
[22:41] <NCommander> Riddell: bug fix releases only can be uploaded without approval; for releases with new features, ubuntu-release or a delegated representative has to approve on a case-by-case basis
[22:42] <ScottK> NCommander: How's it going with getting arm stuff upstreamed to KDE?
[22:42] <NCommander> ScottK: all the major patches should be upstreamed and should build out of the box, although I admit I haven't built SVN from source in some time on ARM
[22:43] <ScottK> nixternal: Since you're bored, ask something hard.
[22:43] <nixternal> don't need to, I know his technical capabilities
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> he's packaged with the ninjas plenty of times, +1 here too
[22:44] <Riddell> NCommander: do you know the answer to the last question on http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pyqt-pykde/18505 ?
[22:44] <NCommander> Riddell: it makes sure python-qt4 properly supports floats for QLists and QVectors versus qreal which is required on ARM
[22:45] <NCommander> Riddell: on ARM, qreal == float versus double, and this requires some special handling w.r.t. to upcasting and such in structs.
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> gotta go, but +1 for NCommander in general
[22:46] <Riddell> NCommander: when we upload packages should we be taking into consideration the heavy use of the ARM buildds?
[22:46] <Riddell> e.g. on Qt or KDE SC uploads
[22:47] <NCommander> Riddell: Yes, just as we do i386/amd64, and especially during freezes when the release team may need priority on the buildds
[22:49] <Riddell> NCommander: which is better, KDE or Gnome?
[22:49] <nixternal> GNOME!!!!
[22:49] <NCommander> Riddell: KDE of course ;-)
[22:50] <Riddell> NCommander: ooh, don't let them hear you say that in #ubuntu-desktop :)
[22:50] <nixternal> oh, you didn't specify "Better at sucking"
[22:50] <nixternal> sorry
[22:50] <Riddell> groovy, I think I'm done, +1 from me for being very competant and useful
[22:50] <nixternal> +1
[22:50] <Riddell> ScottK?
[22:50] <nixternal> he fell asleep on his walker
[22:50] <ScottK> +1 from me too
[22:51] <ScottK> Sorry.  Multitasking.
[22:51] <ScottK> Unlike nixternal, I got stuff to do.
[22:51] <nixternal> yeah, I have 0 to do professionally right now
[22:51] <Riddell> harsh
[22:51] <nixternal> total downtime, no money, hating life
[22:51] <Riddell> great, welcome in NCommander, thanks for taking the grilling
[22:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Sounds like you're about ready for the Army.
[22:51] <nixternal> to old
[22:51] <nixternal> haha
[22:52] <Riddell> NCommander: whats your launchpad ID?
[22:52] <NCommander> Riddell: mcasadevall
[22:52] <NCommander> yay, now I have the power to upload stuff!
[22:52] <Riddell> added
[22:53] <neversfelde> congratulations NCommander
[22:53] <Riddell> use it wisely
[22:53]  * NCommander promptly uploads World Domination Virus 0.1 to the archive :-)
[22:53] <Riddell> and remember you uploads are still quite limited, kubuntu stuff only, and that doesn't include kde4libs or qt
[22:54] <NCommander> Riddell: ?
[22:54] <NCommander> Riddell: those packages were on the ACL when I checked.
[22:54] <Riddell> hmm, I forget the magic runes for the ACL but JontheEchidna has been disappointed in his restrictions
[22:55]  * NCommander looks
[22:58] <NCommander> Riddell: that seems a strange oversight, I can upload OOo for instance
[22:58] <neversfelde> mhh, two new upstream releases of kfritz today, because I complained :)
[22:58] <Riddell> yes, it's weird
[22:58] <NCommander> Riddell: who controlled this list?
[22:58] <neversfelde> that's what I call a good connection to upstream
[22:58] <Riddell> NCommander: it's done automatically using colin's setup
[22:58] <Riddell> neversfelde: nice
[22:59] <ScottK> NCommander: We've asked and it's on purpose the way it is.
[22:59]  * ScottK gives JontheEchidna a kick about his core-dev application.
[22:59]  * NCommander is amazed I can upload OOo, but not Qt ...
[22:59] <neversfelde> I cannot upload my package to revu, because it is not officially released, but would someone have a look at it. I do not want to dissapoint upstream by missing the ff
[22:59] <neversfelde> http://people.ubuntu.com/~neversfelde/
[23:00] <Riddell> neversfelde: sure
[23:02] <nixternal> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KFritz?content=120190  <- you sure it isn't officially released?
[23:02] <Riddell> ooh a package using  libindicate-qt-dev, agateau will be pleased
[23:02] <neversfelde> yep :)
[23:03] <neversfelde> nixternal: yes, it is 0.0.3, 0.0.2 linked against libssl-dev
[23:04] <neversfelde> they changed it
[23:05] <neversfelde> nixternal: I can understand you feelings, cause I am unemployed at the moment, too. I am sure better times will come :)
[23:07] <nixternal> they better come soon
[23:08] <neversfelde> yes
[23:08]  * ScottK avoids the temptation to engage in political discourse.
[23:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: packaging all looks good
[23:10] <Riddell> when I start the app nothing much happens
[23:10] <nixternal> politics aren't helping, but what people are looking for I am not skilled in...everything here in Chicago is C++ for Stockbroakers, or Ruby for yet another stupid get your groceries website
[23:10] <neversfelde> Riddell: cool, do you have a Fritz!Box?
[23:10] <Riddell> nope
[23:10] <nixternal> seriously been thinking about changing my profession
[23:11] <neversfelde> Riddell: so, you cannot use it then :)
[23:13] <neversfelde> I'll upload it to REVU once it is released. It is really cool software for fritz!box users, which should be 50% of DSL customers here in germany
[23:18] <neversfelde> nixternal: I can destract you, you could write an endorsement for me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChristianMangold/MOTUDeveloperApplication
[23:18] <neversfelde> you reviewed my minitube package, so you should know parts of my work :)
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: core-dev app sent to devel-permissions
[23:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Excellent.  Please let me know when the meeting is.
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: k. I'm hoping to get on next week's meeting
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> we'll see, though
[23:32] <shtylman> Riddell: is 4.4.1 gonna be in lucid?
[23:35] <Riddell> shtylman: probably 4.4.2 will be
[23:35] <shtylman> ooo cool
[23:35] <Riddell> got a fix you want in?
[23:35] <shtylman> heh yea
[23:35] <shtylman> I backported something into the 4.4 branch
[23:36] <shtylman> little stuff
[23:36] <shtylman> but I was just curious
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: got some time to do a handful of removals/syncs?
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+reportedbugs?field.searchtext=removal+||+sync
[23:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: is ~ubuntu-archive subscribed?
[23:40] <Riddell> I'm doing those bugs now
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, should be
[23:41] <Riddell> I'll get to them shortly then, if I don't collapse from jetlag
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, Tuesday is your archive admin day, isn't it?
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: libksquirrel accidentally wasn't, I just added it
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> thanks, btw
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> hrm, kfocus isn't building without aRts either...
[23:45] <shtylman> Riddell: did you subscribe me to that bug you pointed out this morning?
[23:46] <Riddell> shtylman: no but it's on ubiquity, I thought you subscribed to ubiquity bugs
[23:46] <shtylman> yea
[23:46] <shtylman> I do
[23:46] <shtylman> if I could remember what it was called :p
[23:47] <shtylman> I get lots of bug emails ...
[23:47] <shtylman> Riddell: found it :)
[23:48] <shtylman> I don't get auto subscribed
[23:48] <shtylman> I just get emails
[23:48] <shtylman> so it makes it a bit hard to actually track down the bugs I am interested in
[23:48] <shtylman> if I havn't been subscribed