[00:00] didn't notice anything when i upgraded, how can i check? [00:00] a graphical way is to run kpackagekit [00:00] why would wifi adapter work in ubuntu gnome but not kde? [00:00] know the cli way? [00:01] in konsole do an "apt-get safe-upgrade" [00:02] well, nothing looks out of place in kpackagekit. apt-get safe-upgrade doesn't appear to be a valid command [00:03] i don't have that feature either... [00:03] well, "aptitude safe-upgrade" certainly is [00:03] ah yes fine with aptitude - nothing to report, completed fine with no new updates [00:04] 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [00:04] wtf [00:04] hadn't noticed [00:04] i feel ripped off [00:04] when i upgrade a number of updates were blocked for whatever reason. i resolved them by running "apt-get dist-upgrade"...but "aptitude safe-upgrade" would've worked just as well [00:04] the whole reason i upgraded was for the tabbed windows :) [00:04] it works fine on my system [00:05] did you get 4.4 from ppa backports? [00:05] hehe not me but i wanted to try it [00:05] i did aptitude dist-upgrade [00:05] go to APPEARANCES-->WINDOWS and enable window grouping [00:05] yes, i did [00:06] workign? [00:07] no such option for me :| [00:07] weird [00:07] when you go to help and "about kde" what version does it report? [00:08] i found a part named window tabbing in window behaviour [00:09] Platform Version 4.4.00 (KDE 4.4.0) [00:09] i've tried with and without compositioning enabled too :( [00:10] I must say, I thought the feature looked cool on paper but I've found really no use for it [00:11] XD [00:11] i guess it's faster to switch with alt-tab [00:12] indeed! [00:12] i have some options for window tabbing in window behaviour - "auto group similar windows" and "switch to automatically goruped windows immediaTELY", but no options anyway to enable it [00:12] once in a while it's nice lumping a bunch of okular instances together...but it annoyingly keeps all instances separate in the taskbar...as it should i suppose [00:13] rj2, have you rebooted since the update? [00:13] yes [00:13] twice, to be sure :) [00:13] have you jumped up and down twice as well? hands on head? [00:13] RJ2: found that too...tried them all and nothing changes the menu on right click [00:14] muxol: i'll trythat next :P [00:15] i get some new options in that menu, like special window settings etc, but not grouping settings [00:16] is there some way of using kbabel in kde 4.x? [00:17] i can testify that grouping works without compositing [00:17] I mean 3.5 apps should work right [00:17] 3.5 apps work for me [00:17] they're ugly as hell, but they work [00:17] yes ok so the problem is kbabel isn't in the repo [00:17] i'll look for a deb package on the net [00:19] Wolfcastle: what do you want with kbabel in kde 4.4? [00:19] Wolfcastle: or 4.x? [00:19] Torch: I don't like lokalize [00:20] Wolfcastle: ah, ok. [00:20] it just goes on my nerves, I'm used to kbabel === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [00:22] ah! [00:22] ok, so the window decorator needs to support tabbing - i was using plastique, changed to oxygen and it works [00:22] there we go no problem, kbabel up and running [00:22] lol [00:23] you're right [00:23] nice going RJ2 [00:24] np :) [00:28] i'll try oxygen for a bit so i can try tabbing [01:03] how's that tabbing going RJ2 [01:03] It's all screwed up here [01:03] switched back to my old window decorator [01:24] hey, anyone able to get the OOo 3.2? === RussellAlan is now known as ADIDAN1 === ADIDAN1 is now known as RussellAlan [01:34] alguem do Brasil aqui? [01:36] can anybody help me with this nepomuk error: http://pastebin.com/d5741a7b6 ? [01:54] hello everyone [01:55] hello direpenguin [01:55] im in need of assistance [01:55] im installing linux with dual boot [01:55] i could try but quite a n00b myself [01:55] yes, go ahead [01:55] and when i booted up my computer, i chose to load linux [01:55] just did it for my friend lat night [01:55] okay and? [01:55] and now it brought me to some GRUB prompt [01:55] i dont know what to type in it [01:56] grub prompt? [01:56] could you elaborate? [01:56] uhm [01:56] it wants me to type somthing but i dont know what to type [01:58] direpenguin, what version of linux are u using exactly? [01:58] the one thats on the main page of unbuntus web site [01:58] ubuntu* [02:00] direpenguin, i wont be able to help you with this much info. you could try asking some pros. join the #ubuntu channel as there are more people there [02:11] I just installed karmic on a 16'' toshiba. there's only 1024x768 resolution available. how to fix it? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:35] hey all, i have a question, when we select opengl for desktop effects whats the best opengl mode? [02:36] share memory or one of the other options? === Soul_Sample_ is now known as Soul_Sample [02:46] I have Ubuntu instaled on my computer. I just instaled Kubuntu via Synaptic, but when I log into it, the font size of everything except the main applets on the desktop is extremely big, and the configurations of fonts in appearance seems to be normal... anyone experienced this before? [02:50] I have Ubuntu instaled on my computer. I just instaled Kubuntu via Synaptic, but when I log into it, the font size of everything except the main applets on the desktop is extremely big, and the configurations of fonts in appearance seems to be normal... anyone experienced this before? [02:53] Can somebody at least tell me which place is the correct for me to post my questions? [03:01] Can someone help me with this preseed file? http://pastebin.com/d72de06ad The local[0,1] repos are not getting added to apt, and when it tries to install ssc-packages it fails since it doesn't have the repos. [03:16] <- Ubuntu Newbie. I am looking for a list of irc servers for use with Konversation where would I look for this and how do I add the list to Konversation? [03:21] anyone have the codes for konversation's command alaised? [03:21] aliases* [03:27] how do I remap the up arrow key to the down arrow key and vice versa? [03:28] or possibly remap Win+Down to Up [03:29] my Up key is broken, you see, and I can't just get a new keyboard, because it's a laptop [03:30] that is a very interesting question. were i actually using real kde i could probably find out [03:35] \j #linux [03:43] Hi - how do I configure my 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)? [03:43] It's not playing speakers or headphones in a fresh Kubuntu 9.10 64-bit install [03:48] anyone have some kind of script to install and configure carom3d to run ? [03:50] viashino: what is carom3d ? [03:50] folks! [03:50] does anyone here, have kde 4.4? [03:51] ev0sx1: i have a copy :) [03:51] its a poll game ... billiards, dont know the name of the game in anglish [03:51] i like to play 8-ball ^^ [03:51] mase_wk: do you have problems with your keyboard layout [03:51] ? [03:51] fair enough :) [03:51] was it messed up after the upgrade to kde 4? [03:51] ev0sx1: not very specific question but no. [03:51] you might have better luck if you just state your problem [03:52] any idea at all how to setup my sound card? [03:52] i can not use proper punctuaction like e´ [03:52] after i upgraded [03:52] is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal? [03:52] ev0sx1: which layout are you using ? [03:53] iggimin_: should be possible [03:54] mase_wk - I think so too. It worked in gnome but KDE is quite different [03:54] same thing with my sound card - it worked in gnome [03:54] heheh I search google for kubuntu and it keeps asking if I mean "ubuntu" :) [03:54] mase_wk: portuguese [03:54] i can write properly on firefox [03:54] the only other question I have is how do I change my windows switcher animations? [03:54] other than that no. [03:55] your sound cards are configured in the system settings multimedia [03:55] you can choose your output device there [03:55] you may also want to check in kmix that your PCM value is audible [03:55] already checked kmix. [03:56] what output device? pulseaudio or the HD ATI? [03:56] (duh - probably the ATI, huh?) [03:56] i dunno, try them and see which one works for you [03:56] ev0sx1: your probably going to have more luck on a mailing list [03:56] erm [03:57] hmm- how do I try them? I click on it and it just highlights. double click does nothing [03:57] never tried one [03:57] lol [03:57] is the 4.4 version available on a fresh install? [03:57] or is it only in the backports? [03:57] iggimin_: you see the 'prefer' 'defer' options at the bottom [03:57] ev0sx1: what are you referring to ? [03:57] ah! heheh, had to scroll down :D [03:58] mase_wk: the new kde 4.4 version? [03:58] iggimin_: what size is your screen ? [03:58] if i download a copy of the kubuntu 9.10, does it come with kde 4.4 or with the previous version 3.5.2? [03:58] it's a 15-inch; how do I see the size? [03:58] ev0sx1: previous version afaik [03:58] yeah [03:59] i guess ill stick with the old version until this one works ok [03:59] ev0sx1: just ask on the mailing list [03:59] someone will know about keyboard layouts [03:59] neither the ATI or the pulseaudio will work - I've preferred and deferred both [03:59] lots of intelligent people on there [03:59] do I need to logout or reboot if I change the preference for sound? [04:00] iggimin_: dunno sorry, thats the limit of my knowledge. Maybe check out how to configure pulse..maybe its doing somethign strange [04:01] no worriez [04:01] what about setting a keyboard shortcut to launch a terminal? anyone :D [04:02] oh well 0/3 - I'll try another time. thanks! [04:12] i was hping maybe somebody could help me connect to another irc [05:00] Hey all. I'd like to compile a vanilla kernel for my machine. I know the kernel devs have some mainline kernels, but I'm still fuzzy on the process. Any pointers? [05:44] can someone tell me why I can't enable the 3D desktop on Kubuntu as root? [06:03] Hi. I have a wireless connection. KDE can detect it but I cant connect to internet. I put the key several times but it doesnt connect to internet. Is there a solution? [06:34] Anyone else switch to KDE 4.4? [06:35] ooops, sorry I did not realize this was the support channel - Sorry! [06:36] RnFstRuckHrd: #kubuntu-offtopic :) [06:36] jussi - TY :-) [06:55] peace!! :0 [06:55] :) [07:17] hmmmm - an imposter! [07:18] ugh sorry again - I am going to leave this channel until I have a real reason for support. Sorry again! [07:23] Karmic users needed to test Amarok from ~kubuntu-ppa/beta [07:35] hi\ [07:35] what's a good way to change themes in KDE apps without running KDE [07:50] hello [07:50] which packages need to be installed for f1 help to show something other than help:/digikam/index.html does not exist? [07:50] hello megaman [07:51] hi [07:51] you can hear me? [07:52] no but i can read what you have typed, megaman [07:56] cool where can i get kubuntu help [07:58] megaman: you are here [07:58] !ask | megaman [07:58] megaman: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [08:00] i got a geforce 2 mx/mx 400 graphics card will that support desktop effects like the cube? [08:01] its 64mb [08:02] megaman: i do not know. have you tried it? did you enable the binary nvidia driver? [08:08] i know how to enable it because i´ve done it on another machine... in hardware drivers it says nvidia accelerated graphics driver (version 96) [recomended] i have a green light at the corner thats says drivers is activated and current...but i cant get it to work [08:09] iḿ not sure what binary nvidia driver is [08:10] that's the binary nvidia driver. [08:11] megaman: ok so with the green light then it seems to be enabled already. you could check though. [08:11] how do i check [08:11] megaman: copy/paste the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.ubuntu.com that log will show you which driver has been loaded [08:12] megaman: the cube can be configured in system settings/desktop/... [08:12] also iḿ not sure why the greenlight came on because it wasnt before...when i first used the hardware driver program it never finished it said error when i tried to activate [08:14] then i downloaded the driver through adept...and it said ¨a differnt version of this driver is in use¨ then i uninstalled that download....then it started to say the driver is enable and current....wierd i know [08:15] kubuntu 9.10 is not detecting the sound devices on my hp dv2000 [08:15] it was workin fine in the mornin [08:15] any idea wat needs to be done? [08:16] infect3d: worked fine in the morning with kubuntu 9.10? [08:16] waltz how do i paste to that website.............sorry iḿ very new to linux [08:18] megaman: open that file with Kate; then open that website with konqueror. select all the text in kate. copy. then to the website, you type in your name at the top and paste in the big 'content' section. click the paste! button. this will give you a new URL paste.ubuntu.com/?????? share that new url here [08:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/377438/ [08:19] i think i did it right [08:20] It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place! No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right. They never will! The same goes for New Orleans! Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed. What have the niggers in [08:20] New Orleans done? If you are sick of this, join Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum [08:20] RecycleCorn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [08:22] megaman: ok. you see that several lines start with NVIDIA ? well this is the binary nvidia driver. loaded and running at 1280x1024. [08:22] I have no idea what any of that stuff in that file means...thats alot of freakin text.. [08:23] megaman: :D [08:23] megaman: ok so configure the cube. system settings / desktop effects [08:23] ok [08:25] Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options. Settings will be reverted to their previous values. [08:25] Check your X configuration. You may also consider changing advanced options, especially changing the compositing type. [08:25] i got that message [08:26] megaman: which compositing type is checked? also an option in desktop effects [08:26] ok on the advanced tab it says open gl [08:27] and i have a option for xrender [08:27] megaman: try one of the other options [08:31] ok i got a window in the corner of the screen that says ¨KDE Window Manager : The following effects could not be activated.... desktop cube and desktop cube animation === nosrepa is now known as aperson [08:33] oh [08:33] ok [08:33] anyone else here know these better? [08:36] yeah it really sucks i mean i can totally live without desktop effects but i think my computer should be capable of enabling them.......i wish i could just find out if like i dont have a strong enough graphics card or something, so i can lay it to rest, but i heard of computers with very low specs running these effects so it makes me think i can. [08:39] megaman: yeah maybe it is just a setting somewhere; i do not know [08:39] thank you for you help anyways [09:00] megaman: confirm direct rendering is enabled: The command "glxinfo | grep -i direct" should read "Yes"; in konsole, run glxinfo | direct -i direct [09:07] I would like to remove the taskbar, but keep the system tray to the far right. I have no idea how to do this, but I guess it's real simple and I'm probably overlooking something here :) [09:09] koltroll: I do the same [09:09] koltroll: it's not obvious, but it is simple... [09:10] xjjk, ooh I'm waiting with great excitement to hear how it's done! :) [09:10] I'm not sure how to explain it... [09:10] first, remove the taskbar [09:10] when in the panel editing mode, just move the sliders that control maximum size/etc [09:11] also under the 'more settings' button you can select the alignment of the panel, i.e. which side of the screen to appear on [09:13] jesus fucking christ I can't remove the taskbar without closing all apps?! There's no place to rightclick so that I can reach the taskbar settings! amazing! [09:13] koltroll: could also check in #kd [09:13] koltroll: could also check in #kde i meant [09:16] xjjk, so the taskbar is gone. what am I supposed to do with the sliders? [09:16] WaltzingAlong, yea man I know, tho since I'm not a registered freenode user it seems I cannot write in there [09:16] I should register I guess [09:16] koltroll: er, click the "cashew" [09:16] or whatever it's called [09:16] you can remove the taskbar apply easily [09:16] yea the taskbar is gone [09:17] and I have clicked the 'cashew' :) [09:17] so, you'll see the sliders [09:17] now the tray is to the far left, just to the right of the "K" [09:17] and the whole panel is maximized. [09:17] yea I see them [09:17] okay, where did you want it? [09:17] dude I just added a "spacer" now [09:17] you may also want a spacer in there [09:18] it's all good with a spacer :) [09:18] thanks alot you guys! [09:18] whatever you want [09:19] oh another thing. How can I configure "show desktop" to a keyboard shortcut? [09:22] koltroll: the show desktop plasmoid can be assigned a global shortcut in its settings [09:44] privet === emry_ is now known as Emry2 === otswim is now known as babalu [10:07] hi, thanks for the backport 4.4 builds [10:08] they are quickly improving [10:08] anyone using a nvidia geforce 2 mx/mx 400 64mb graphics card? [10:08] just a quick question about the last major bug [10:08] after resume from suspend to ram [10:08] my plasma-desktop crashes every time [10:08] is that known? [10:21] Hi! Has anybody ever manager to open an OpenVPN connection via knetworkmanager? [10:24] olenz: i have an openvpn connection but not through knetworkmanager [10:25] i always used GNOME's nm-applet so far [10:25] that worked fine [10:25] I would prefer to switch to the KDE tool however [10:26] megaman: have you tried in #kde ? [10:26] Or: does anybody know how to deactivate knetworkmanager (without removing it)? [10:27] whats that? [10:27] megaman: the channel for kde [10:27] oh no i havent [10:27] iĺl try it [10:28] megaman: the issue you are having might not be kubuntu specific [10:29] And: what happened to the networkmanager plasmoid? [11:07] how can I fix the resolution problem? [11:07] Does anyone know how to get kubuntu to actually logout and shutdown using the GUI (instead of the command console)? For some reason the exit/logout button does not work. [11:17] hi, how can i try koffice2 on kubuntu? [11:22] babalu: install it? think it is koffice-kde4 [11:22] !info koffice-kde4 | babalu [11:22] babalu: koffice-kde4 (source: koffice2): KDE Office Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.0.2-2ubuntu3 (karmic), package size 9 kB, installed size 52 kB [11:22] WaltzingAlong: oh thanks [11:41] nobody [11:41] need help ?? [11:44] AzikaCorp: are you looking for help or for someone to whom to offer your help? [11:45] I am boring, so want to offer help :p [11:47] AzikaCorp: Well, if you ask for it: do you have an idea how I can disable knetworkmanager? [11:48] AzikaCorp: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3110104.0 [11:49] Hi!! [11:49] hi [11:49] spricht jemand deutsch__ [11:49] ?? [11:50] russian ?? [11:51] !de | vova_kobyzev [11:51] vova_kobyzev: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [11:51] !ru | vova_kobyzev [11:51] vova_kobyzev: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [11:52] good good [11:52] vova_kobyzev: cheers [11:55] !info konversation > lalalol_ [11:58] Short question: I don't have audio in adobe flash (latest flash, Kubuntu Jaunty), tried lots of things, where can I best ask (on IRC)?? [11:58] RepRapDude: because another program is running with the audio? such as amarok? [11:59] WaltzingAlong: not amarok, but there might be something. How can I determine this? [12:00] WaltzingAlong: My setup is slightly complicated, I have a USB soundcard (cmedia chipset) and onboard sound (to go to a receiver). However, neither work. I can use mplayer with -ao oss:/dev/dsp1, however. [12:02] RepRapDude: sometimes i have had success wrapping firefox with aoss. check out the alsa-oss package [12:02] WaltzingAlong: sounds good, do I just isnstall that? [12:03] * RepRapDude closes 32 tabs [12:04] 32 tabs :D [12:05] I apt-got alsa-oss... what's next? :) [12:06] $ aoss firefox & [12:06] then try a flash video in there [12:08] WaltzingAlong: it doesn't start firefox, the command doesn't give me anything back [12:09] WaltzingAlong: I guess I should configure a .asoundrc file? [12:09] perhaps but ... not sure why firefox did not start [12:10] ls -la `which firefox` gives me: /usr/bin/firefox -> firefox-3.5 [12:13] WaltzingAlong: It fails/hangs fairly early in starting firefox, I'll postbin an strace [12:13] well ok. maybe the asoundrc file like you mentioned [12:15] WaltzingAlong: This is what the command does: http://pastebin.com/d2e1c6c02 [12:16] WaltzingAlong: Never mind, google chrome does start, so I can test with that. Sound doesn't work for chrome either [12:16] If I fix it for chrome I can try firefox after that... [12:17] opinions on 4.4.0? [12:20] krabador: what are you running now? [12:21] WaltzingAlong, 4.3.5 [12:27] krabador: I like 4.4.0, and don't have any problems. I'm using it since first ports were available. [12:40] I fixed it by using the script that creates an .asoundrc for you! [12:42] RepRapDude_: great! [12:42] RepRapDude_: then feel free to remove alsa-oss [12:43] WaltzingAlong: Thanks for the support. You did point me to the solution, even though it was with the intention of letting me try something else :) [12:44] RepRapDude_: thanks for sharing credit ;) [12:44] This is where you can find the script (should someone else have the same problem): http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/.asoundrc [12:50] Hey are there any other KDE based distro's that use a Ubuntu base? [12:51] I just find the apps that Kubuntu comes with as default arn't all that up to much, and it's a bit of a mess [12:51] Not that I know of [12:51] Lantizia: why do you need a Ubuntu base? [12:51] frankly, KDE-based distros in general are thin on the ground these days [12:51] Well I only know of Mint KDE [12:52] Lantizia: have you tried OpenSuse? it is wonderful [12:52] I detest Novell [12:52] * Vroomfondle uses SuSE on his laptop, and it is rather good [12:52] Sorry but I just won't touch it [12:53] First thing I do on Ubuntu is get rid of Mono, F-Spot, TomBoy [12:53] then you're not going to succeed in your quest [12:53] OpenSuse is free software, made by comunity, at least a major part [12:53] Does the GPLv3 affect SuSE or OpenSUSE then? [12:54] fedora's effort on KDE appears to be quite good [12:55] Does perhaps any other DE use Qt? [12:55] home laptop is running F12/KDE 4.3.5 [12:56] Lantizia: is qt your only wish? You could run qt apps on openbox ... [12:56] you can run Qt apps in any OS and any DE [12:56] many OS I'd say :) [12:57] Qt4 apps are well integated on Win32, Gnome, KDE ... [12:57] so Lantizia, what about that? [12:58] I'm not sure [12:58] I want to get in to Qt development more especially since my N900 is going that way, it's not LGPL and the Qt Creator looks ace [12:58] So I figured having a Qt DE would be a benefit too, get in to the general feel of the apps [12:58] qt creator looks awesome indeed [12:59] *now LGPL [12:59] not not lol [12:59] Lantizia: it seeks that Opensuse 11.2 is under GNU General Public License version 2 [13:00] Lantizia: you can learn Qt programming in any OS and any DE [13:00] thats true [13:00] EagleScreen: so any more up to date tools from GNU under v3 can't be in SuSE products? [13:01] yes they cna be, ofcourse [13:01] thought due to the MS & Novell collaboration and the new restrictions of GNU GPL v3 that Novell wouldn't use it [13:02] i am not very documented about it [13:02] why dont ask in #suse channel? [13:03] ok :) [13:03] can i use gvts in kde? === toimisto is now known as Vge [13:03] Lantizia: what is your goal? qt programming? who cares about the licences of your OS? It is a minor detail, at least in my opinion. Just start hacking! [13:04] I mean it :) I see myself reinstalling all the time but its very counter productive. You're better of with just starting to hack right away [13:07] aapzak: coders code. others type about all of the reasons why they are not coding. those are not coders [13:07] tadaaaa [13:08] tnx WaltzingAlong, no fun to realize but you're probably right :) [13:08] well my being right does not get things coded either ;) [13:08] :D [13:21] anyone on? [13:26] yes [13:36] Hey... I really hate Kubuntu - wait there more... I hate it as it comes when you do a normal install [13:36] Any way I can just get like the basics... perhaps a kde-core ? [13:39] Lantizia, what is exactly your problem ?? [13:39] Lantizia: something works wrong ? [13:40] No I just want the KDE desktop/bar/widgets/preferences [13:40] Not any of the silly applications that all have a K in them [13:40] They're all naff [13:41] thats a british term for... a bit crap [13:42] Lantizia: sure [13:43] Lantizia: what is shure, there is not "a better interface". It must fit you :D [13:44] nah I like the interface of KDE... just not the apps === coaboa_ is now known as coaboa [13:44] but I like the ubuntu repositories too much to move from kubuntu [13:45] understand :), it looks pretty but it is heaver than gnome [13:46] when does new kde released? [13:46] and does kubuntu automaticly upgrade to new kde or have i to add special repos? [13:46] you have to add a special repos [13:47] and pray that nothing bad append ^^ [13:47] konquerer - naff, quassel - oh so naff... kmail/kontact - pretty naff [13:47]