=== thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [11:04] * popey pokes dholbach Technoviking pleia2 .. [11:05] * popey pokes nixternal_ too :) [11:07] the meeting should start now, isn't it ? [11:08] Tarek: Waiting on quorum. [11:09] ok [11:09] nobody seems to be about [11:09] which team ? [11:10] cc [11:10] iirc pleia2 is moving today? [11:10] lifeless: Comunity Council [11:10] lifeless: That's why we never meet third tuesday :) [11:10] :) [11:10] in which case, ngight [11:10] * lifeless zzz's [11:10] popey: pong [11:11] dholbach: cc meeting? [11:11] we don't seem to have quorum (yet) - do we have an agenda? [11:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [11:11] no [11:11] :) [11:11] Do you need quorum if there is no agenda? [11:12] do we need a cc if there's no agenda ;) [11:12] heh [11:12] Yes, to address all the outstanding action items pending return to the agenda. [11:13] I was being humourous [11:13] or not [11:13] * persia at least is anxiously awaiting deeper feedback on the council selection process unification item [11:13] popey: Well, I worry about statements like that: I've seen teams dissipate due to lack of agenda over a period of time because that question is asked. [11:14] (and I'd hate to see that happen to the CC, because I'd have nobody to whom to report for some of my roles) [11:14] there's no need to worry [11:14] * cjohnston could make an agenda for yall [11:14] ;-) [11:14] dholbach: I'm not at all worried about the CC going away: just about statements of that form :) [11:15] for a lesser being who's never attended an online ubuntu meeting, are all ubuntu meetings this well organised? [11:15] ok, in an attempt to get back to less theoretical discussions, I'm going to chase the thread about council staffing unification again [11:16] sagaci: some are better, some arent... [11:16] * dholbach adds it to his TODO list. [11:16] cjohnston: thanks for the info [11:16] sagaci: alot of times it depends on if the members can make the meeting time.. For anyone in the US, this is a hard meeting time... [11:17] popey: it might be worth to check for any other open threads again - shall we do that together later today or maybe tomorrow? [11:17] dholbach: Thanks. I remember pleia2 volunteering to ask some folk about it, but never received the questionnaire myself (and would have expected such). I heard some people got asked, so it may be in-process (although perhaps not). [11:17] persia: what kind of questionnaire are you referring to? [11:18] cjohnston: most of the meetings are held 11pm-7am Australia time, hence why I've been reluctant to observe these things [11:18] dholbach: sure [11:18] popey: awesome :) [11:18] "How has your council/board done selection in the past?" was the gist I heard from rumours, but I didn't get one yet, so can't say with certainty. [11:18] that's the first time I hear of any questionnaires [11:19] so it might be rumour :) [11:19] sagaci: The CC meeting rotates: the one at 20 or 21 UTC (I forget which) may be easier for you (early in the morning). [11:19] dholbach: Or an informal beginning :) [11:19] ok, popey and I have two action items, if there's nothing else, let's adjourn. [11:20] thanks a lot everybody. adjourned. [11:21] Y'all should schedule more agenda items for this timeslot. It always seems quiet (and the other one makes me yawn) :) [11:22] persia: but this time slot doesn't have a lot of people at it. so I guess they could add the same agenda items to both meetings ? [11:23] not sure if that's been suggested before though. [11:24] same items in both meetings is wasteful. [11:24] If CC can't make this timeslot, the timeslot should move a bit so it can be made (but still not exclude this side of the world) === m_anish_ is now known as m_anish_away [11:55] ص [12:15] oh shoot, i'm an hour off [12:16] mako: what timezone are you in ;) [12:19] EST [12:20] That's UTC-5, as opposed to other ESTs (like +11) [12:20] (Well, +11 is currently EDT, but that's a different matter) [13:00] #startmeeting [13:00] Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is NCommander. [13:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:00] o/ [13:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100216 [13:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100216 [13:01] dyfet: plars: JamieBennett: StevenK: ping [13:01] * plars is here [13:01] ogra: GrueMaster: ping [13:01] [topic] Action Item Review [13:01] New Topic: Action Item Review [13:01] mooo [13:01] baaa [13:01] * StevenK wavers [13:01] NCommander: maybe wait till all are here? ;) [13:01] * persia checks mail in hopes of last minute responders [13:01] asac: yup, just waiting a moment [13:01] good [13:01] hi [13:02] hi [13:02] hrm [13:02] * dmart is here [13:02] no ericm or coolney [13:02] hi dmart [13:02] hi there [13:02] i think in china its holiday [13:02] Oh [13:02] dmart: If you feel like adding your AR to the wiki please do :) [13:02] ok [13:02] still new year ? [13:03] almost whole week afaik [13:03] wasnt that on friday ? [13:03] oh, k [13:03] * GrueMaster is here [13:03] arne said he is off whole week [13:03] ok lets get started [13:03] NCommander: go ;) [13:03] [topic] ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed [13:03] New Topic: ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed [13:03] (I know no ericm, but I have stuff to say) [13:03] i think someone of us can take that over now [13:03] gnome-panel looked fixed w.r.t to X0, and I can test later today if no one else is setup with X0 [13:04] NCommander: i think you have X0 set up already? [13:04] JamieBennett: ok, cam do. Mostly wiki editing though... [13:04] asac: not yet, I'll get it later today [13:04] NCommander: i have to run at some point today to get an atx power thing for my board [13:04] My X0 came yesterday. I'll have it online momentarily. [13:04] GrueMaster: want to take the action item? [13:04] then it will be up soonish too i hope [13:04] Sure, since I have to do testing anyways. [13:04] great [13:04] [action] GrueMaster to check gnome-panel on X0 and report if crashes have been fixed [13:04] seemed to be fixed at the sprint, but I would say everyone booting on their new boards should just keep an eye out for it, since we didn't have a definitive way to reproduce it or not reproduce it [13:04] ACTION received: GrueMaster to check gnome-panel on X0 and report if crashes have been fixed [13:05] [topic] persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time [13:05] New Topic: persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time [13:05] Right. So, y'all failed to respond to my mail. I got a total of three responses. [13:05] plars: we wanted to explicitly smoke test the board extensively when we first get them (we didnt have time to do that during sprint to full extend) [13:05] was there another? [13:05] * JamieBennett responded [13:06] * plars responded [13:06] so just keep it as it is [13:06] * GrueMaster responded. [13:06] No need to identify yourselves. [13:06] Anyway, a couple people wanted to move the meeting a couple hours later, but most seemed flexible. [13:07] any suggestion of time? [13:07] This or 14:00 is probably best. [13:07] So, seeing as how (presumably) the people that care about the meeting are here right now, please check ubuntu-mobile mailing list if you have it filtered, and responde to persia's email if you have an opinion on the time of the meeting [13:07] 1400 UTC feels good if StevenK and persia are fine [13:07] But 14:00 will slam into the TB meetings when DST comes, as the TB likes to move. [13:08] well. we should adjust it same as TB meeting i think [13:08] ++ [13:08] ++ [13:08] If the TB likes to move, then they are more flexible about moving away from our meeting. [13:08] I don't. Daylight savings is for silly countries! [13:08] I'd rather not start a meeting at 1am local time [13:08] * NCommander has no strong preferences [13:08] StevenK, 2am better ? [13:08] Worse [13:08] * ogra hides [13:09] Plus, daylight savings changes in *different* directions in different countries at different times of year, and is messy. [13:09] we should say we always have meeting in the hour before TB ;) [13:09] ok ... so from what i understand all but StevenK would be happy with 1400UTC? [13:09] That's the 1am that was indicated as bad. [13:10] ok. any other suggestion? [13:10] keep as is? [13:10] hey ericm [13:10] hi all, sorry late on this [13:10] ok ... seems needs more thinking/talks/decision [13:11] 01:00 is bad, 05:00 is worse in some ways [13:11] Keeping it the way it is seems to be least bad given the ranges I was given. The other time that works internationally is around 21:00 UTC, but most of the ranges I received didn't include that. [13:11] works for me [13:11] davidm: depends on if you have young children who get up at 5am ;) [13:12] asac: Let's not revisit this for at least a few months, and I'll send another mail. This time is fine for now. [13:12] ok [13:12] NCommander: next? [13:12] lets revisit it for next release in any case [13:12] ogra: Seems a good schedule. [13:12] [topic] StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. [13:12] New Topic: StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. [13:12] cycle switch is a perfect time to make a time swithc too === fader|away is now known as fader_ [13:13] StevenK: ? [13:13] ok ... lets move on ... we can check when he is back [13:14] NCommander: ? [13:14] * NCommander skips StevenK's other action item [13:14] Argh, I've not done that [13:14] Well, gnome-games seems to now be essentially a metapackage. [13:14] [topic] asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI. [13:14] New Topic: asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI. [13:14] Oh,a rgh [13:14] [topic] StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. [13:14] New Topic: StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. [13:15] But if that's the case (as persia says), then it's unneeded [13:15] NCommander: make that a "asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary" [13:15] * ogra pointed from planet to JamieBennett's blog entries for the two blogging items [13:15] I did something: http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ [13:15] * persia double-checks [13:15] Safe to go on? [13:16] NCommander: ad d the action i mentioned for me [13:16] and wipe the two other blog actions [13:16] [topic] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 [13:16] New Topic: StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 [13:16] NCommander: and carry stevenk's item forward [13:16] both done in some way [13:16] [action] asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary [13:16] ACTION received: asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary [13:17] nevermind for StevenK's item ... go on [13:17] NCommander: ^ [13:17] oh [13:17] StevenK: did the lang fill happen? [13:18] I started it on, and then got distracted [13:18] will that happen for a3? [13:18] I was going to do it today if images built, and then cheese was broken [13:18] yeah [13:19] no indication why though [13:19] nothing notable on the ftbfs list [13:19] StevenK: Confirmed: gnome-games now only contains /usr/share/doc/gnome-games/* (and /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-games*) [13:19] ogra: Because it was split into multiple packages and the NEW ones landed in universe. [13:20] ah [13:20] k [13:20] oh ok [13:20] ogra: And UNE only builds from main [13:20] right [13:20] did the promotion happen now? [13:20] which is good :) [13:20] I promoted them like 12 hours ago? [13:20] i ask you ;) [13:20] No paperwork, no mess, just fix the archive [13:20] tnhen tonights build should be fine again [13:21] \O/ [13:21] ok, so lets carry that action forward [13:21] [action] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 [13:21] ACTION received: StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 [13:21] * ogra doesnt think langpacks are that important atm [13:21] we usually dont start to shuffle them before beta [13:21] Then we can leave it be, if you wish [13:21] (historically) [13:22] i dont mind. if you say its better done at later time, scratch that item [13:22] well, translations wont happen properly until the UIs are frozen anyway [13:22] so they will still be inclomplete [13:22] Lets do translations later, because the size *will* vary a lot around UIFreeze [13:23] right [13:23] they are a good beta1 target [13:23] ok next? [13:23] [topic] asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute [13:23] New Topic: asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute [13:23] we had one last week [13:23] we want to do that weekly [13:23] first one happened and made us all look dumb :) [13:23] you also said we wanted another date, right? [13:23] Can we have the next one starting a little earlier in the day? [13:23] (apart from dyfet who rocks wrt assembler) [13:24] ! [13:24] like one where we only work on stuff ... do we need that really? maybe we can make pairs that coordinate when they work together on their own? [13:24] I linked an intro to ARM assembler from the porting wiki page now, in case anyone didn't see it. Might help people get started. [13:24] If it's at the same time, I won't make it again [13:24] persia: i will try ... how many hours? [13:25] how about 10:00 UTC ? [13:25] might be a bit bad for dyfet [13:25] asac: Even just 2-3 would make it better for me, but then I really just want to know someone is available to work around my inconfidence with assembler. [13:26] Sprints are good, but if someone wants to have a go at this stuff at other times, I should still be availble on IRC some of the time. [13:26] 2-3 hours still makes it hard time of day for me to grok ASM [13:26] ok i will talk to you and StevenK after the meeting to see if there is any good time [13:26] right [13:26] asac: If you don't mind bad for you, I'm sure there's a time that works for dyfet, StevenK, and I. [13:27] well ;) ... dmart also might be good to have [13:27] if you want to organize a american/asia sprint outside of that its fine. [13:27] dmart: You're in UTC, right? [13:27] yes [13:28] I can be available occasionally later if that helps [13:28] And I could try to be early [13:28] ok i will find a time and schedule ;) [13:29] Right. We'll discuss times later (in -arm) [13:29] talk to you [13:29] go on [13:29] standing items [13:29] NCommander: ? [13:29] [topic] Standing Items [13:29] New Topic: Standing Items [13:29] (sorry, RL pulled me away for a sec) [13:29] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:29] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:29] [topic] http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:29] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html [13:29] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html [13:30] still broken link, sigh [13:30] the wiki poage is again wrong ;) [13:30] macaroni doesnt exist anymore [13:30] asac: no you are! [13:30] wiki is fine [13:30] ogra: I updated it this morning. Refresh [13:30] :) [13:30] JamieBennett: seems you fixed it ;) [13:30] i had macaroni here ;) [13:30] * ogra too [13:31] ok [13:31] yeah, fast moving page [13:31] :) [13:31] are there items there that stand out as problems? [13:31] i am behind. [13:32] thumb2 is blocked on two things: a) that we couldnt do the respin before a3 anymore [13:32] and lib-test [13:32] * ogra still needs to finish the rootstock gui stuff ... working on it though and it will wipe the last three items from the spec [13:32] lightweight browser decision is pending a meeting with security team and robbie [13:33] and the webservice stuff needs to come after a3; at least email integration is a must imo. for office we might just follow what desktop team does [13:33] was a decision made there asac? [13:33] anything that can be done on those? both have 10 items with no start so far [13:33] (office) [13:33] I think we might need to just follow, because of FeatureFreeze. [13:34] StevenK: can we drop GNOME games refactored and split: TODO wi? [13:34] JamieBennett: we will try to go for chromium because of the performance [13:34] asac: Yes, persia has confirmed that desktop has already done it [13:34] We can't seed chromium until it's in main [13:34] StevenK: please update the blueprint then ;) [13:35] asac: what about the web office wi's [13:35] desktop pull sOO.o back in [13:35] JamieBennett: but security update process is messy [13:35] *pulls [13:35] JamieBennett: wanted to talk to you about that after meeting [13:35] not sure when you need to leave ;) [13:35] Yeah, we can't change components on a per-arch basis [13:35] I'm at the dentist after the meeting but I can do something later if your around [13:35] JamieBennett: Anything bad? [13:35] StevenK: checkup [13:35] i would still like to develop it and depending on how well it works either bring it in archive only or make it default on arm (but more likely the former as we are late) [13:36] * JamieBennett notes dentist is always bad [13:36] Ah. I had one of those last week [13:36] JamieBennett: have fun ;)... i feel with you [13:36] ok thats it on the blueprints for me [13:36] lets move on [13:36] (if you have any blueprint you feel stuck with or are completely out of work items, just let me know offline) [13:36] ANNOUNCE: ^ ;) [13:37] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:37] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:37] ericm seems to be heroic ... [13:37] so far, waiting for x0 to test the remaining issues on dove [13:37] attending on vacation [13:37] ericm: didnt you take the x0 with you after sprint? [13:37] or just not a party animal :) [13:38] asac, no - returned to Marvell office [13:38] ogra, heh - you know me well [13:38] :) [13:38] ericm: right. ok. but you got a confirm that one got shipped to you? [13:39] asac, not yet - since all Marvell Shanghai office are on vacation, I'd expect to receive it next week [13:39] I'd expect some of you may have received the board? [13:39] yes [13:39] yes [13:40] i got one ... NCommander got one, plars and GrueMaster ;) [13:40] so the remaining issues seem to be suspend regression and hibernation issue [13:40] ericm: bug id? [13:40] asac, wait [13:40] * ogra points to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-per-soc-powermanagement [13:40] bug 516811 ? [13:40] bug 509006 [13:40] Launchpad bug 516811 in linux-mvl-dove "[dove] system hangs with resume after suspend" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516811 [13:40] Launchpad bug 509006 in linux-mvl-dove "[dove] hibernation failed to resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509006 [13:40] hmm [13:41] bug 502983 [13:41] ericm: both= or just the hibernation one? [13:41] Launchpad bug 502983 in linux-mvl-dove "CONFIG_HIBERNATION needs to be set for dove kernels" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502983 [13:41] oh, thats fix released [13:41] asac, both - yet last time suspend/resume worked alright on X0 [13:41] NCommander, can you make sure the above two atre linked on the spec [13:41] yeah, the option for hibernate is available now, it just doesn't seem to resume the session [13:41] [action] NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs [13:41] ACTION received: NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs [13:41] ericm: so do you need testing? [13:41] i think i saw saeed work on it in #ubuntu-arm [13:42] asac, and Marvell reported their hibernation works - so can possibly get this solved [13:42] ericm: right. seems you are already working with plars on that [13:42] asac, yes [13:42] he was developing a patch (with lool's help) [13:42] seems the kernel sends a worng keypress event [13:42] ogra, that's for the power button, i.e. pressing the power button to invoke the suspend/hibernation/shutdown/restart dialog box [13:42] ericm: ok good. keep us updated. [13:43] ericm, ah [13:43] asac, sure [13:43] anything else on dove ? [13:43] kexec works now [13:43] nice [13:43] NCommander: please dont link all bugs to spec [13:43] the latest issue with initramfs being incorrect I guess affects imx51 as well [13:43] NCommander: specs are for feature implementation [13:43] not to track bugs [13:44] asac, I've updated all the information on bug 517841 [13:44] if its a bug tracking spec, then we should have milestoned it with beta-1 or 2 [13:44] Bug 517841 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/517841 is private [13:44] asac, err, we used to do that all the time [13:44] ericm: yes. i think kexec is fixed now (according to ncommander) [13:45] I've yet uploaded a kexec kernel for imx51, not sure if anyone has tested that as well [13:45] thats why the specs have the "related bugs" function [13:45] ogra: we can discus that later. some bugs are ok. but not all bugs [13:45] asac, which fix, link? [13:45] asac, well, the *related* ones indeed :) [13:45] ericm: kexec being broken ;) [13:46] NCommander said its now working [13:46] It is [13:46] NCommander: so what about 517841? [13:46] ericm: why is that bug private? [13:46] asac, per request by Marvell engineers ..... [13:46] ok [13:47] ok lets move on [13:47] time is running low [13:47] [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:47] New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:47] NCommander: QA is first [13:47] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [13:47] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [13:47] I wanted to talk about possibly setting up an LP team to subscribe armel/UNE image related bugs against, similar to what we did with UNR last cycle [13:48] The purpose would mainly be for collecting and tracking bugs that we care about w.r.t. the une armel image [13:48] just wanted to see if anyone has strong opinions on this, or about what to name it [13:48] plars: why cant we use the armel tag for that? [13:48] my suggestion was ubuntu-armel-une or ubuntu-une-armel [13:48] otherwise i would just suggest to use ubuntu-armel ... [13:48] asac: the armel tag is used for *anything* found on armel [13:48] err ubnutu-mobile [13:48] sorry [13:49] asac: and ubuntu-armel is for bugs that are confirmed to be specific to armel, and things that the ubuntu-armel team is working on [13:49] asac: many of the bugs we want/need to track around the une image are not specific to armel at all, but we still care about them since we are the main consumers of the 2d une interface right now [13:49] plars: yes, ubuntu-mobile i mean. i think thats the best general purpose team suitable for high level apps concerning mobile [13:50] I'm fine with using ubuntu-mobile, but didn't want to go use that without agreement first [13:50] any objections? [13:50] none [13:50] lets try that. if someone shows up complaining about bug spam, we can review [13:51] works for me [13:51] next? [13:51] GrueMaster: daily qa report? [13:51] [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:51] New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:51] NCommander: ring ring [13:51] ;) [13:51] asac: :-P [13:51] GrueMaster is first :) [13:51] GrueMaster: still your turn [13:51] ;) [13:52] Testing lsb lib on imx51 to compare the results seen on dove karmic. [13:52] WIP. [13:52] daily testing of new UNE images. [13:52] What more can I say? [13:53] maybe prepare a summary of the daily testing next week on the wiki [13:53] you can add that to the meeting wiki before [13:53]