[11:04]  * popey pokes dholbach Technoviking pleia2 ..
[11:05]  * popey pokes nixternal_ too :)
[11:07] <Tarek> the meeting should start now, isn't it ?
[11:08] <persia> Tarek: Waiting on quorum.
[11:09] <Tarek> ok
[11:09] <popey> nobody seems to be about
[11:09] <lifeless> which team ?
[11:10] <popey> cc
[11:10] <cjohnston> iirc pleia2 is moving today?
[11:10] <persia> lifeless: Comunity Council
[11:10] <persia> lifeless: That's why we never meet third tuesday :)
[11:10] <lifeless> :)
[11:10] <lifeless> in which case, ngight
[11:10]  * lifeless zzz's
[11:10] <dholbach> popey: pong
[11:11] <popey> dholbach: cc meeting?
[11:11] <dholbach> we don't seem to have quorum (yet) - do we have an agenda?
[11:11] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[11:11] <popey> no
[11:11] <popey> :)
[11:11] <persia> Do you need quorum if there is no agenda?
[11:12] <popey> do we need a cc if there's no agenda ;)
[11:12] <cjohnston> heh
[11:12] <persia> Yes, to address all the outstanding action items pending return to the agenda.
[11:13] <popey> I was being humourous
[11:13] <popey> or not
[11:13]  * persia at least is anxiously awaiting deeper feedback on the council selection process unification item
[11:13] <persia> popey: Well, I worry about statements like that: I've seen teams dissipate due to lack of agenda over a period of time because that question is asked.
[11:14] <persia> (and I'd hate to see that happen to the CC, because I'd have nobody to whom to report for some of my roles)
[11:14] <dholbach> there's no need to worry
[11:14]  * cjohnston could make an agenda for yall
[11:14] <cjohnston> ;-)
[11:14] <persia> dholbach: I'm not at all worried about the CC going away: just about statements of that form :)
[11:15] <sagaci> for a lesser being who's never attended an online ubuntu meeting, are all ubuntu meetings this well organised?
[11:15] <dholbach> ok, in an attempt to get back to less theoretical discussions, I'm going to chase the thread about council staffing unification again
[11:16] <cjohnston> sagaci: some are better, some arent...
[11:16]  * dholbach adds it to his TODO list.
[11:16] <sagaci> cjohnston: thanks for the info
[11:16] <cjohnston> sagaci: alot of times it depends on if the members can make the meeting time.. For anyone in the US, this is a hard meeting time...
[11:17] <dholbach> popey: it might be worth to check for any other open threads again - shall we do that together later today or maybe tomorrow?
[11:17] <persia> dholbach: Thanks.  I remember pleia2 volunteering to ask some folk about it, but never received the questionnaire myself (and would have expected such).  I heard some people got asked, so it may be in-process (although perhaps not).
[11:17] <dholbach> persia: what kind of questionnaire are you referring to?
[11:18] <sagaci> cjohnston: most of the meetings are held 11pm-7am Australia time, hence why I've been reluctant to observe these things
[11:18] <popey> dholbach: sure
[11:18] <dholbach> popey: awesome :)
[11:18] <persia> "How has your council/board done selection in the past?" was the gist I heard from rumours, but I didn't get one yet, so can't say with certainty.
[11:18] <dholbach> that's the first time I hear of any questionnaires
[11:19] <dholbach> so it might be rumour :)
[11:19] <persia> sagaci: The CC meeting rotates: the one at 20 or 21 UTC (I forget which) may be easier for you (early in the morning).
[11:19] <persia> dholbach: Or an informal beginning :)
[11:19] <dholbach> ok, popey and I have two action items, if there's nothing else, let's adjourn.
[11:20] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody. adjourned.
[11:21] <persia> Y'all should schedule more agenda items for this timeslot.  It always seems quiet (and the other one makes me yawn) :)
[11:22] <czajkowski> persia: but this time slot doesn't have a lot of people at it. so I guess they could add the same agenda items to both meetings ?
[11:23] <czajkowski> not sure if that's been suggested before though.
[11:24] <persia> same items in both meetings is wasteful.
[11:24] <persia> If CC can't make this timeslot, the timeslot should move a bit so it can be made (but still not exclude this side of the world)
[11:55] <koroskawy> ص
[12:15] <mako> oh shoot, i'm an hour off
[12:16] <czajkowski> mako: what timezone are you in ;)
[12:19] <mako> EST
[12:20] <persia> That's UTC-5, as opposed to other ESTs (like +11)
[12:20] <persia> (Well, +11 is currently EDT, but that's a different matter)
[13:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is NCommander.
[13:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:00] <asac> o/
[13:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100216
[13:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100216
[13:01] <asac> dyfet: plars: JamieBennett: StevenK: ping
[13:01]  * plars is here
[13:01] <asac> ogra: GrueMaster: ping
[13:01] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[13:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[13:01] <ogra> mooo
[13:01] <JamieBennett> baaa
[13:01]  * StevenK wavers
[13:01] <asac> NCommander: maybe wait till all are here? ;)
[13:01]  * persia checks mail in hopes of last minute responders
[13:01] <NCommander> asac: yup, just waiting a moment
[13:01] <asac> good
[13:01] <dyfet> hi
[13:02] <davidm> hi
[13:02] <NCommander> hrm
[13:02]  * dmart is here
[13:02] <NCommander> no ericm or coolney
[13:02] <asac> hi dmart
[13:02] <dmart> hi there
[13:02] <asac> i think in china its holiday
[13:02] <NCommander> Oh
[13:02] <JamieBennett> dmart: If you feel like adding your AR to the wiki please do :)
[13:02] <NCommander> ok
[13:02] <ogra> still new year ?
[13:03] <asac> almost whole week afaik
[13:03] <ogra> wasnt that on friday ?
[13:03] <ogra> oh, k
[13:03]  * GrueMaster is here
[13:03] <asac> arne said he is off whole week
[13:03] <asac> ok lets get started
[13:03] <asac> NCommander: go ;)
[13:03] <NCommander> [topic] ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed
[13:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed
[13:03] <NCommander> (I know no ericm, but I have stuff to say)
[13:03] <asac> i think someone  of us can take that over now
[13:03] <NCommander> gnome-panel looked fixed w.r.t to X0, and I can test later today if no one else is setup with X0
[13:04] <asac> NCommander: i think you have X0 set up already?
[13:04] <dmart> JamieBennett: ok, cam do.  Mostly wiki editing though...
[13:04] <NCommander> asac: not yet, I'll get it later today
[13:04] <asac> NCommander: i have to run at some point today to get an atx power thing for my board
[13:04] <GrueMaster> My X0 came yesterday.  I'll have it online momentarily.
[13:04] <NCommander> GrueMaster: want to take the action item?
[13:04] <asac> then it will be up soonish too i hope
[13:04] <GrueMaster> Sure, since I have to do testing anyways.
[13:04] <asac> great
[13:04] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to check gnome-panel on X0 and report if crashes have been fixed
[13:04] <plars> seemed to be fixed at the sprint, but I would say everyone booting on their new boards should just keep an eye out for it, since we didn't have a definitive way to reproduce it or not reproduce it
[13:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster to check gnome-panel on X0 and report if crashes have been fixed
[13:05] <NCommander> [topic] persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time
[13:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time
[13:05] <persia> Right.  So, y'all failed to respond to my mail.  I got a total of three responses.
[13:05] <asac> plars: we wanted to explicitly smoke test the board extensively when we first get them (we didnt have time to do that during sprint to full extend)
[13:05] <asac> was there another?
[13:05]  * JamieBennett responded
[13:06]  * plars responded
[13:06] <JamieBennett> so just keep it as it is
[13:06]  * GrueMaster responded.
[13:06] <persia> No need to identify yourselves.
[13:06] <persia> Anyway, a couple people wanted to move the meeting a couple hours later, but most seemed flexible.
[13:07] <asac> any suggestion of time?
[13:07] <persia> This or 14:00 is probably best.
[13:07] <plars> So, seeing as how (presumably) the people that care about the meeting are here right now, please check ubuntu-mobile mailing list if you have it filtered, and responde to persia's email if you have an opinion on the time of the meeting
[13:07] <asac> 1400 UTC feels good if StevenK and persia are fine
[13:07] <persia> But 14:00 will slam into the TB meetings when DST comes, as the TB likes to move.
[13:08] <asac> well. we should adjust it same as TB meeting i think
[13:08] <ogra> ++
[13:08] <JamieBennett> ++
[13:08] <GrueMaster> If the TB likes to move, then they are more flexible about moving away from our meeting.
[13:08] <persia> I don't.  Daylight savings is for silly countries!
[13:08] <StevenK> I'd rather not start a meeting at 1am local time
[13:08]  * NCommander has no strong preferences
[13:08] <ogra> StevenK, 2am better ?
[13:08] <StevenK> Worse
[13:08]  * ogra hides
[13:09] <persia> Plus, daylight savings changes in *different* directions in different countries at different times of year, and is messy.
[13:09] <asac> we should say we always have meeting in the hour before TB ;)
[13:09] <asac> ok ... so from what i understand all but StevenK would be happy with 1400UTC?
[13:09] <persia> That's the 1am that was indicated as bad.
[13:10] <asac> ok. any other suggestion?
[13:10] <JamieBennett> keep as is?
[13:10] <NCommander> hey ericm
[13:10] <ericm> hi all, sorry late on this
[13:10] <asac> ok ... seems needs more thinking/talks/decision
[13:11] <davidm> 01:00 is bad, 05:00 is worse in some ways
[13:11] <persia> Keeping it the way it is seems to be least bad given the ranges I was given.  The other time that works internationally is around 21:00 UTC, but most of the ranges I received didn't include that.
[13:11] <GrueMaster> works for me
[13:11] <JamieBennett> davidm: depends on if you have young children who get up at 5am ;)
[13:12] <persia> asac: Let's not revisit this for at least a few months, and I'll send another mail.  This time is fine for now.
[13:12] <asac> ok
[13:12] <persia> NCommander: next?
[13:12] <ogra> lets revisit it for next release in any case
[13:12] <persia> ogra: Seems a good schedule.
[13:12] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring.
[13:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring.
[13:12] <ogra> cycle switch is a perfect time to make a time swithc too
[13:13] <asac> StevenK: ?
[13:13] <asac> ok ... lets move on ... we can check when he is back
[13:14] <asac> NCommander: ?
[13:14]  * NCommander skips StevenK's other action item
[13:14] <StevenK> Argh, I've not done that
[13:14] <persia> Well, gnome-games seems to now be essentially a metapackage.
[13:14] <NCommander> [topic] asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI.
[13:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI.
[13:14] <NCommander> Oh,a rgh
[13:14] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring.
[13:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring.
[13:15] <StevenK> But if that's the case (as persia says), then it's unneeded
[13:15] <asac> NCommander: make that a "asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary"
[13:15]  * ogra pointed from planet to JamieBennett's blog entries for the two blogging items
[13:15] <JamieBennett> I did something: http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/
[13:15]  * persia double-checks
[13:15] <NCommander> Safe to go on?
[13:16] <asac> NCommander: ad d the action i mentioned for me
[13:16] <ogra> and wipe the two other blog actions
[13:16] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386
[13:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386
[13:16] <asac> NCommander: and carry stevenk's item forward
[13:16] <ogra> both done in some way
[13:16] <NCommander> [action] asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary
[13:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary
[13:17] <asac> nevermind for StevenK's item ... go on
[13:17] <asac> NCommander: ^
[13:17] <asac> oh
[13:17] <asac> StevenK: did the lang fill happen?
[13:18] <StevenK> I started it on, and then got distracted
[13:18] <asac> will that happen for a3?
[13:18] <StevenK> I was going to do it today if images built, and then cheese was broken
[13:18] <ogra> yeah
[13:19] <ogra> no indication why though
[13:19] <ogra> nothing notable on the ftbfs list
[13:19] <persia> StevenK: Confirmed: gnome-games now only contains /usr/share/doc/gnome-games/* (and /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-games*)
[13:19] <StevenK> ogra: Because it was split into multiple packages and the NEW ones landed in universe.
[13:20] <ogra> ah
[13:20] <ogra> k
[13:20] <asac> oh ok
[13:20] <StevenK> ogra: And UNE only builds from main
[13:20] <ogra> right
[13:20] <asac> did the promotion happen now?
[13:20] <ogra> which is good :)
[13:20] <StevenK> I promoted them like 12 hours ago?
[13:20] <asac> i ask you ;)
[13:20] <StevenK> No paperwork, no mess, just fix the archive
[13:20] <ogra> tnhen tonights build should be fine again
[13:21] <JamieBennett> \O/
[13:21] <asac> ok, so lets carry that action forward
[13:21] <NCommander> [action] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386
[13:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386
[13:21]  * ogra doesnt think langpacks are that important atm
[13:21] <ogra> we usually dont start to shuffle them before beta
[13:21] <StevenK> Then we can leave it be, if you wish
[13:21] <ogra> (historically)
[13:22] <asac> i dont mind. if you say its better done at later time, scratch that item
[13:22] <ogra> well, translations wont happen properly until the UIs are frozen anyway
[13:22] <ogra> so they will still be inclomplete
[13:22] <persia> Lets do translations later, because the size *will* vary a lot around UIFreeze
[13:23] <ogra> right
[13:23] <ogra> they are a good beta1 target
[13:23] <asac> ok next?
[13:23] <NCommander> [topic] asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute
[13:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute
[13:23] <asac> we had one last week
[13:23] <asac> we want to do that weekly
[13:23] <ogra> first one happened and made us all look dumb :)
[13:23] <asac> you also said we wanted another date, right?
[13:23] <persia> Can we have the next one starting a little earlier in the day?
[13:23] <ogra> (apart from dyfet who rocks wrt assembler)
[13:24] <ogra> !
[13:24] <asac> like one where we only work on stuff ... do we need that really? maybe we can make pairs that coordinate when they work together on their own?
[13:24] <dmart> I linked an intro to ARM assembler from the porting wiki page now, in case anyone didn't see it.  Might help people get started.
[13:24] <StevenK> If it's at the same time, I won't make it again
[13:24] <asac> persia: i will try ... how many hours?
[13:25] <ogra> how about 10:00 UTC ?
[13:25] <asac> might be a bit bad for dyfet
[13:25] <persia> asac: Even just 2-3 would make it better for me, but then I really just want to know someone is available to work around my inconfidence with assembler.
[13:26] <dmart> Sprints are good, but if someone wants to have a go at this stuff at other times, I should still be availble on IRC some of the time.
[13:26] <StevenK> 2-3 hours still makes it hard time of day for me to grok ASM
[13:26] <asac> ok i will talk to you and StevenK after the meeting to see if there is any good time
[13:26] <asac> right
[13:26] <persia> asac: If you don't mind bad for you, I'm sure there's a time that works for dyfet, StevenK, and I.
[13:27] <asac> well ;) ... dmart also might be good to have
[13:27] <asac> if you want to organize a american/asia sprint outside of that its fine.
[13:27] <persia> dmart: You're in UTC, right?
[13:27] <dmart> yes
[13:28] <dmart> I can be available occasionally later if that helps
[13:28] <dyfet> And I could try to be early
[13:28] <asac> ok i will find a time and schedule ;)
[13:29] <persia> Right.  We'll discuss times later (in -arm)
[13:29] <asac> talk to you
[13:29] <asac> go on
[13:29] <asac> standing items
[13:29] <asac> NCommander: ?
[13:29] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[13:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[13:29] <NCommander> (sorry, RL pulled me away for a sec)
[13:29] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:29] <asac> [topic] http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:29] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html
[13:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html
[13:30] <ogra> still broken link, sigh
[13:30] <asac> the wiki poage is again wrong ;)
[13:30] <asac> macaroni doesnt exist anymore
[13:30] <JamieBennett> asac: no you are!
[13:30] <JamieBennett> wiki is fine
[13:30] <NCommander> ogra: I updated it this morning. Refresh
[13:30] <JamieBennett> :)
[13:30] <asac> JamieBennett: seems you fixed it ;)
[13:30] <asac> i had macaroni here ;)
[13:30]  * ogra too
[13:31] <asac> ok
[13:31] <JamieBennett> yeah, fast moving page
[13:31] <ogra> :)
[13:31] <JamieBennett> are there items there that stand out as problems?
[13:31] <asac> i am behind.
[13:32] <asac> thumb2 is blocked on two things: a) that we couldnt do the respin before a3 anymore
[13:32] <asac> and lib-test
[13:32]  * ogra still needs to finish the rootstock gui stuff ... working on it though and it will wipe the last three items from the spec
[13:32] <asac> lightweight browser decision is pending a meeting with security team and robbie
[13:33] <asac> and the webservice stuff needs to come after a3; at least email integration is a must imo. for office we might just follow what desktop team does
[13:33] <JamieBennett> was a decision made there asac?
[13:33] <plars> anything that can be done on those? both have 10 items with no start so far
[13:33] <JamieBennett> (office)
[13:33] <persia> I think we might need to just follow, because of FeatureFreeze.
[13:34] <asac> StevenK: can we drop GNOME games refactored and split: TODO wi?
[13:34] <asac> JamieBennett: we will try to go for chromium because of the performance
[13:34] <StevenK> asac: Yes, persia has confirmed that desktop has already done it
[13:34] <StevenK> We can't seed chromium until it's in main
[13:34] <asac> StevenK: please update the blueprint then ;)
[13:35] <JamieBennett> asac: what about the web office wi's
[13:35] <ogra> desktop pull sOO.o back in
[13:35] <asac> JamieBennett: but security update process is messy
[13:35] <ogra> *pulls
[13:35] <asac> JamieBennett: wanted to talk to you about that after meeting
[13:35] <asac> not sure when you need to leave ;)
[13:35] <StevenK> Yeah, we can't change components on a per-arch basis
[13:35] <JamieBennett> I'm at the dentist after the meeting but I can do something later if your around
[13:35] <StevenK> JamieBennett: Anything bad?
[13:35] <JamieBennett> StevenK: checkup
[13:35] <asac> i would still like to develop it and depending on how well it works either bring it in archive only or make it default on arm (but more likely the former as we are late)
[13:36]  * JamieBennett notes dentist is always bad
[13:36] <StevenK> Ah. I had one of those last week
[13:36] <asac> JamieBennett: have fun ;)... i feel with you
[13:36] <asac> ok thats it on the blueprints for me
[13:36] <asac> lets move on
[13:36] <asac> (if you have any blueprint you feel stuck with or are completely out of work items, just let me know offline)
[13:36] <asac> ANNOUNCE: ^ ;)
[13:37] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[13:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[13:37] <asac> ericm seems to be heroic ...
[13:37] <ericm> so far, waiting for x0 to test the remaining issues on dove
[13:37] <asac> attending on vacation
[13:37] <asac> ericm: didnt you take the x0 with you after sprint?
[13:37] <ogra> or just not a party animal :)
[13:38] <ericm> asac, no - returned to Marvell office
[13:38] <ericm> ogra, heh - you know me well
[13:38] <ogra> :)
[13:38] <asac> ericm: right. ok. but you got a confirm that one got shipped to you?
[13:39] <ericm> asac, not yet - since all Marvell Shanghai office are on vacation, I'd expect to receive it next week
[13:39] <ericm> I'd expect some of you may have received the board?
[13:39] <asac> yes
[13:39] <plars> yes
[13:40] <asac> i got one ... NCommander got one, plars and GrueMaster ;)
[13:40] <ericm> so the remaining issues seem to be suspend regression and hibernation issue
[13:40] <asac> ericm: bug id?
[13:40] <ericm> asac, wait
[13:40]  * ogra points to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-per-soc-powermanagement
[13:40] <asac> bug 516811 ?
[13:40] <ericm> bug 509006
[13:40] <asac> hmm
[13:41] <ogra> bug 502983
[13:41] <asac> ericm: both= or just the hibernation one?
[13:41] <ogra> oh, thats fix released
[13:41] <ericm> asac, both - yet last time suspend/resume worked alright on X0
[13:41] <ogra> NCommander, can you make sure the above two atre linked on the spec
[13:41] <plars> yeah, the option for hibernate is available now, it just doesn't seem to resume the session
[13:41] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs
[13:41] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs
[13:41] <asac> ericm: so do you need testing?
[13:41] <ogra> i think i saw saeed work on it in #ubuntu-arm
[13:42] <ericm> asac, and Marvell reported their hibernation works - so can possibly get this solved
[13:42] <asac> ericm: right. seems you are already working with plars on that
[13:42] <ericm> asac, yes
[13:42] <ogra> he was developing a patch (with lool's help)
[13:42] <ogra> seems the kernel sends a worng keypress event
[13:42] <ericm> ogra, that's for the power button, i.e. pressing the power button to invoke the suspend/hibernation/shutdown/restart dialog box
[13:42] <asac> ericm: ok good. keep us updated.
[13:43] <ogra> ericm, ah
[13:43] <ericm> asac, sure
[13:43] <asac> anything else on dove ?
[13:43] <ericm> kexec works now
[13:43] <plars> nice
[13:43] <asac> NCommander: please dont link all bugs to spec
[13:43] <ericm> the latest issue with initramfs being incorrect I guess affects imx51 as well
[13:43] <asac> NCommander: specs are for feature implementation
[13:43] <asac> not to track bugs
[13:44] <ericm> asac, I've updated all the information on bug 517841
[13:44] <asac> if its a bug tracking spec, then we should have milestoned it with beta-1 or 2
[13:44] <ogra> asac, err, we used to do that all the time
[13:44] <asac> ericm: yes. i think kexec is fixed now (according to ncommander)
[13:45] <ericm> I've yet uploaded a kexec kernel for imx51, not sure if anyone has tested that as well
[13:45] <ogra> thats why the specs have the "related bugs" function
[13:45] <asac> ogra: we can discus that later. some bugs are ok. but not all bugs
[13:45] <ericm> asac, which fix, link?
[13:45] <ogra> asac, well, the *related* ones indeed :)
[13:45] <asac> ericm: kexec being broken ;)
[13:46] <asac> NCommander said its now working
[13:46] <NCommander> It is
[13:46] <asac> NCommander: so what about 517841?
[13:46] <asac> ericm: why is that bug private?
[13:46] <ericm> asac, per request by Marvell engineers .....
[13:46] <asac> ok
[13:47] <asac> ok lets move on
[13:47] <asac> time is running low
[13:47] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:47] <asac> NCommander: QA is first
[13:47] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[13:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[13:47] <plars> I wanted to talk about possibly setting up an LP team to subscribe armel/UNE image related bugs against, similar to what we did with UNR last cycle
[13:48] <plars> The purpose would mainly be for collecting and tracking bugs that we care about w.r.t. the une armel image
[13:48] <plars> just wanted to see if anyone has strong opinions on this, or about what to name it
[13:48] <asac> plars: why cant we use the armel tag for that?
[13:48] <plars> my suggestion was ubuntu-armel-une or ubuntu-une-armel
[13:48] <asac> otherwise i would just suggest to use ubuntu-armel ...
[13:48] <plars> asac: the armel tag is used for *anything* found on armel
[13:48] <asac> err ubnutu-mobile
[13:48] <asac> sorry
[13:49] <plars> asac: and ubuntu-armel is for bugs that are confirmed to be specific to armel, and things that the ubuntu-armel team is working on
[13:49] <plars> asac: many of the bugs we want/need to track around the une image are not specific to armel at all, but we still care about them since we are the main consumers of the 2d une interface right now
[13:49] <asac> plars: yes, ubuntu-mobile i mean. i think thats the best general purpose team suitable for high level apps concerning mobile
[13:50] <plars> I'm fine with using ubuntu-mobile, but didn't want to go use that without agreement first
[13:50] <asac> any objections?
[13:50] <ogra> none
[13:50] <asac> lets try that. if someone shows up complaining about bug spam, we can review
[13:51] <plars> works for me
[13:51] <plars> next?
[13:51] <asac> GrueMaster: daily qa report?
[13:51] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:51] <asac> NCommander: ring ring
[13:51] <asac> ;)
[13:51] <NCommander> asac: :-P
[13:51] <ogra> GrueMaster is first :)
[13:51] <asac> GrueMaster: still your turn
[13:51] <asac> ;)
[13:52] <GrueMaster> Testing lsb lib on imx51 to compare the results seen on dove karmic.
[13:52] <GrueMaster> WIP.
[13:52] <GrueMaster> daily testing of new UNE images.
[13:52] <GrueMaster> What more can I say?
[13:53] <asac> maybe prepare a summary of the daily testing next week on the wiki
[13:53] <asac> you can add that to the meeting wiki before
[13:53] <GrueMaster> I'm still waiting to hear from the Linux Foundation folks to see if our testing is good.
[13:53]  * ogra would appreciate if QA could start rootstock tests after FF
[13:53] <asac> like what days where the images good, what days they were broken
[13:53] <asac> and if you find a bug on some day, maybe add that to that days column
[13:53] <ogra> so i get some additional testing
[13:53] <asac> ok
[13:53]  * asac notes that
[13:53] <asac> ogra: can you make a testplan
[13:53] <asac> ?
[13:54] <ogra> asac, sure, i'll do that next week and send it around
[13:54] <asac> like a wiki page of combinations to test to hit a few corners?
[13:54] <asac> ok
[13:54] <asac> ok lets move on then
[13:54] <ogra> mainly for oem-config tests and indeed rootstock itself
[13:54] <Keybuk> GrueMaster: tangent, I'm testing UNE on i386 daily now
[13:54] <GrueMaster> And that does what for armel?
[13:54] <plars> ah, good to know :)
[13:54] <davidm> Keybuk, is that the 3D version or the 2D version?
[13:54] <asac> ok we are in "ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)"
[13:54] <asac> now
[13:55] <davidm> Keybuk, they are very different
[13:55] <asac> any news on that front or can we skip that?
[13:55] <JamieBennett> not sure if dyfet has anything to add about Thumb2 stuff but I see no major topics to raise
[13:55] <plars> GrueMaster: if you see something that you are unsure if it is specific to armel or not, Keybuk should be able to tell you easily
[13:55] <asac> ok lets move on
[13:55] <GrueMaster> plars: I also have x86 images that I compare with.
[13:55] <asac> NCommander: next topic ;)
[13:55] <dmart> Stupid question, but can anyone point me to where the UNE images appear?  I haven't been able to find them.
[13:55] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[13:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[13:56] <plars> GrueMaster: ok, good I didn't know you were testing it on both i386 and armel
[13:56] <asac> dmart: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/
[13:56] <asac> ther under ports
[13:56] <dmart> asac, thanks
[13:56] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/
[13:56] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/
[13:56] <ogra> bah, to slow
[13:56] <dmart> MOVING ON
[13:56] <asac> NCommander: dyfet: persia: did you make some progress on thumb2 porting end last week=
[13:57] <dmart> oops, caps lock
[13:57] <asac> ?
[13:57] <dyfet> yes we did
[13:57] <dyfet> on lwp, and we did get the remaining boose blocker closed I think
[13:57] <asac> persia: dyfet: i saw you worked together. very good. did that end in uploads? what packages?
[13:57] <ogra> \o/
[13:57] <dyfet> (boost)
[13:57] <persia> asac: A bit, but not too much.  We picked a bad time, so I was slow, and dyfet was distracted.  I did manage to get one correct upload though.
[13:57] <ogra> dyfet is a hero !
[13:57] <NCommander> asac: been working on OOo, so nothing new to report, but I've been looking at a strange KDE buld failure with persia
[13:57]  * ogra cant cheer enough 
[13:58] <asac> NCommander: right i consider oOO to take some time, but i would think while its bulding you can help on thumb2 and ftbfs ;)
[13:58] <asac> help on kde ftbfs is welcome
[13:58] <ogra> NCommander, the kde stuff is muchly appreciated since it breaks rootstocks oem-config-kde
[13:58] <asac> NCommander: maybe check if the kde issues corralate with the thum2 issues identified
[13:58] <persia> ogra: It breaks lots of stuff :)
[13:58] <ogra> persia, bah, i dont care about the other stiuff :P
[13:58] <persia> asac: No, it's an issue with build-dep resolution.
[13:58]  * persia cares about liquid
[13:58] <NCommander> asac: its a problem of dependency installing. I enlisted persia to help me on this
[13:59] <asac> err ... on what?
[13:59]  * ogra just wears blinds 
[13:59] <persia> asac: apt-get build-dep kdebindings fails.  manually installing all the build deps works.
[13:59]  * persia is still trying to figure out why
[13:59] <asac> anyway. lets move on. i think we are making progress (even if slow) on the porting stuff
[13:59] <asac> persia: right. i didnt really refer to that one though ;)
[14:00] <asac> just talked about general help on kde being good
[14:00] <asac> NCommander: next topic?
[14:00] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[14:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[14:00] <ogra> broken due to cheese :)
[14:00] <ogra> but overall good
[14:00] <asac> right. thats what i figure
[14:01] <asac> not muhc to say there this week i think
[14:01] <asac> next?
[14:01] <ogra> thats it
[14:01] <ogra> AOB i think
[14:01] <asac> Ubuntu Liquid?
[14:01] <ogra> oh, right
[14:01] <asac> should we remove that from the standing items list?
[14:01] <rbelem> :-)
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] Ubuntu Liquid
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Liquid
[14:01] <persia> Please do.
[14:01] <asac> rbelem: do you want to keep this item in the meeting?
[14:01] <asac> if not, just ping me when you want a slot back in
[14:02] <asac> ian_brasil: ^^
[14:02] <persia> I *think* we'll get a -meta and -default-setttings into lucid, but it won't be ideal, and we don't really want anyone to use it.
[14:02] <rbelem> nope
[14:02] <persia> Lots of upstream work and fiddling work happening (probably in a PPA) for the rest of the cycle, for a real release in lucid+1
[14:02] <asac> [ACTION] NCommander to remove liquid from standing item list
[14:02] <ian_brasil> asac, ok..we are targeting lucid +1 now anyway
[14:02] <NCommander> [ACTION] NCommander to remove liquid from standing item list
[14:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to remove liquid from standing item list
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[14:03] <asac> i have something, but if you have something go ahead first
[14:03] <persia> I had a user ask about hildon-gtk Ubuntu Mobile today (and realise this is a frequent question).  Is there consensus that people interested in this area should be redirected to the Mer project?
[14:04]  * NCommander is glad to have Mer take over hildon stuff
[14:04] <asac> would we refuse contributions?
[14:04] <ogra> is mer still existing now that there is meegoo ?
[14:04] <asac> e.g. is there consent we want to get rid of hildon?
[14:04] <rbelem> asac, nope
[14:04] <asac> right
[14:04] <ogra> asac, every looked at it ?
[14:04] <ogra> *ever
[14:04] <asac> so i dont think we should redirect them
[14:04] <persia> asac: We can't do it right because of the libgtk variation.
[14:04] <asac> rather catch them
[14:04] <ogra> its painful
[14:04] <rbelem> asac, it will be qt based
[14:04] <asac> ok misunderstood rbelem's nope i think
[14:04] <asac> so ok
[14:05] <ogra> yeah, i think that nope was directed to me
[14:05] <asac> ok so seems there is a consensus that we redirect ;)
[14:05] <JamieBennett> asac: yes
[14:05] <ogra> ++
[14:05] <JamieBennett> for now until mer switches to QT
[14:05] <rbelem> ++
[14:05] <asac> so from my side i wanted to discuss to make the meeting more efficient.
[14:06] <persia> Good.  Mind you, some mer folk are moving to Qt, but that's a different issue : at least their codebase works and is a basis for hacking :)
[14:06] <ogra> we're only 6 min over time
[14:06] <NCommander> If its clearer when to move topics, it would work better for me.
[14:06] <asac> right
[14:06] <ogra> :)
[14:06] <asac> but i think the standing items could as well be filled in on the wiki up front
[14:06] <asac> would it be ok for everyone owning those items to spend 10 minutes before the meeting to fill that in?
[14:06] <ogra> and NCommander asking before switching topics would help too
[14:07] <asac> then we can just make a standing items topic ... and raise points we want to discuss rather than getting a full status report typed in ;)
[14:07] <asac> yes
[14:07] <NCommander> ogra: I've done that plenty of times, no one answers
[14:07] <ogra> even if we loose a minute per topic or so due to that it would be better structured
[14:07] <asac> NCommander: so usually you should ask ... anything else? can we move on? etc.
[14:07] <asac> and give folks a minute or so to move on
[14:07] <ogra> right
[14:07] <asac> its just messy to have interleaving topics discussed. that makes things go longer summed up in my feeling
[14:08] <asac> so anyone has problems with filling in the status on his standing items?
[14:08]  * GrueMaster would also like to see less non-essential chatter.
[14:08] <asac> (i would take the work item standing item)
[14:08] <asac> GrueMaster: right. we can try to remind ourselves everytime it happens
[14:08] <ogra> nope, fine with that
[14:09] <asac> but its tough ... also its not easy to see what is really essential
[14:09]  * JamieBennett has to leave
[14:09] <asac> what feels essential to you might feel non-essential for others and vice versa
[14:09] <ogra> JamieBennett, good luck
[14:09] <JamieBennett> :)
[14:09] <asac> JamieBennett: good bye
[14:09] <GrueMaster> I might be able to fill in the wiki if I had more that a few hours notice prior to the meeting.  I would request at least 24 hour notice.
[14:09] <asac> ok thanks. i think we are over
[14:09] <asac> [ACTION] everyone to fill in status on standing items for next week meeeting
[14:09] <asac> NCommander: ^
[14:09] <NCommander> [ACTION] everyone to fill in status on standing items for next week meeeting
[14:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  everyone to fill in status on standing items for next week meeeting
[14:09] <asac> GrueMaster: notice?
[14:09] <ogra> [ACTION] send out meeting reminders on time
[14:09] <ogra> :)
[14:09] <GrueMaster> Meeting notice.
[14:10] <asac> GrueMaster: just add a reminder to your calendar
[14:10] <ogra> yeah
[14:10] <asac> you can get SMS and stuff like that
[14:10] <ogra> gcal is great for that
[14:10] <asac> for free
[14:10] <GrueMaster> I do, but it is set to ping me 30 minutes prior (as a backup alarm).
[14:10] <persia> (depending on your local telecommunications provider)
[14:10] <ogra> though still, we used to have the mail some days earlier
[14:10] <asac> GrueMaster: you can add more than one notification for each entry
[14:10] <asac> i have one 1 day before and 10 minutes
[14:10] <persia> Fridays might be a good day for the mail to be sent.
[14:10] <asac> by default
[14:10] <ogra> or add a specific reminder entry :)
[14:10] <asac> and you can change that individually as well (for things like this meeting reminder)
[14:11] <ogra> persia, ++
[14:11] <asac> ok ... i think we are done
[14:11] <GrueMaster> And is there a way to add the wiki links to this reminder?
[14:11] <ogra> i think there is
[14:11] <asac> good point
[14:11] <persia> GrueMaster: Write a cron job that builds the link based on the date at runtime?
[14:11] <asac> [ACTION] JamieBennett to include wiki links to friday reminder; ncommander to include wiki link in weekly reminder
[14:12] <asac> NCommander: ^^
[14:12] <NCommander> [ACTION] JamieBennett to include wiki links to friday reminder; ncommander to include wiki link in weekly reminder
[14:12] <MootBot> ACTION received:  JamieBennett to include wiki links to friday reminder; ncommander to include wiki link in weekly reminder
[14:12] <asac> ok ... lets finish... anything else?
[14:12] <ogra> thanks
[14:12] <asac> thanks all!
[14:12] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:12.
[14:59] <persia> cody-somerville cjohnston geser nixternal soren stgraber Meeting time
[14:59] <cody-somerville> :)
[14:59]  * stgraber waves
[14:59]  * geser waves
[14:59] <cjohnston> ?
[15:00] <persia> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is persia.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:00] <highvoltage> hi DMB o/
[15:00] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:00] <geser> cjohnston: persia wanted to highlight cjwatson
[15:00] <persia> cjohnston: Sorry.
[15:00] <cjohnston> gotcha.. /me goes back to hiding.. np
[15:00]  * persia fails
[15:01] <persia> [TOPIC] Action Review
[15:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Review
[15:01] <persia> DMB is now an admin of ~universe-contributors \o/
[15:01] <persia> ScottK is still to start discussion on future of MOTU Council.  I'll start something if he doesn't.
[15:02] <persia> TB confirmed MOTU spec, that DMB approves MOTUs, and that MOTU shall discuss MC.
[15:03] <persia> Oh, and the email voting completed for statik, with permissions to be left as implemented at our last meeting.
[15:03] <persia> [TOPIC] Chow Loong Jin for MOTU
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chow Loong Jin for MOTU
[15:03] <hyperair> ohai
[15:04] <geser> persia: do we need 3 or 4 DMB members for quorum?
[15:05] <persia> 4, which we have (stgraber, cody-somerville, geser, persia)
[15:05] <geser> right
[15:06] <persia> hyperair: You say that you need to pay more attention to bugs in the Debian bug tracker.  Do you have any suggestions as to how these bugs can be made more visible to developers?
[15:06] <hyperair> suggestions eh..
[15:06] <hyperair> perhaps launchpad should show a list
[15:06] <hyperair> or maybe just a bug count
[15:07] <hyperair> similar to how packages.qa.debian.org/<pkg> does it
[15:08] <cody-somerville> hyperair, Are you a proficient user of the bzr VCS?
[15:08] <hyperair> i won't say i'm proficient
[15:08] <hyperair> but i can commit
[15:08] <hyperair> and view logs
[15:08] <hyperair> and uncommit
[15:08] <hyperair> =D
[15:09] <hyperair> push and pull
[15:09] <hyperair> the basic stuff necessary.
[15:09] <hyperair> i think i knew how to do more with bzr, but i haven't done much with bzr in ages.
[15:09] <hyperair> so i'm kind of rusty
[15:10] <hyperair> i use git bzr for almost everything though, so there isn't any problem for me to interface with bzr repositories
[15:11] <cody-somerville> hyperair, Whats your favorite patch system and why? If any, under what circumstances would you use a different patch system?
[15:11] <hyperair> quilt
[15:12] <hyperair> it's got the most functionality, i think
[15:12] <hyperair> i've only tried three patch systems, i.e. quilt, cdbs, and dpatch
[15:12] <hyperair> i think there aren't many others
[15:12] <hyperair> if any
[15:13] <persia> The others are either VCS-variants or generally derided :)
[15:13] <hyperair> as for using a different patch system, i think it's only if the package was already using that patch system to begin with
[15:13] <hyperair> and if i don't feel like making too many changes to begin with.
[15:14] <persia> hyperair: Most of your work and many of your endorsements seem to be in specific areas (pkg-cli and applications you maintain).  Can you share why you choose to apply to join MOTU, rather than seeking for some pkg-cli access, or for packages you maintain?
[15:14] <hyperair> most of my contributions are in these areas, but i don't think that should stop me from contributing in other areas.
[15:16] <persia> Fair enough, so long as you understand that the set of packages to which MOTU grants upload access is only expected to be reduced over time (giving us more time to get them right :) )
[15:17] <geser> hyperair: just curious: when looking at your sponsored package for lucid, I see only one. time issues or is there any other reason?
[15:17] <hyperair> geser: there were some time issues, but mostly, since karmic was released, i've been trying to get my fixes into debian and then synced into ubuntu.
[15:18] <geser> and did you succeed?
[15:18] <hyperair> yes.
[15:19] <hyperair> you can probably see banshee's upload changelog for an example. although all the packages were uploaded to debian, many of the entries by me have LP: # tags
[15:20] <persia> Other questions for hyperair?
[15:20] <cody-somerville> No, I'm ready to vote.
[15:21] <persia> stgraber: geser ?
[15:21] <stgraber> I'm ready to vote
[15:21] <geser> no questions left
[15:21] <persia> [VOTE] approve Chow Loong Jin for MOTU
[15:21] <MootBot> Please vote on:  approve Chow Loong Jin for MOTU.
[15:21] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:21] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:22] <ivajotha> I'm ready to vote
[15:23] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 1 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:23] <persia> +1 : I'm happy with the technical quality of the work I've seen, and always happy to have more volunteers to help with QA efforts.
[15:23] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[15:23] <geser> +1
[15:23] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[15:23] <stgraber> +1
[15:23] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[15:23] <highvoltage> yay
[15:23] <cody-somerville> +1 Clear technical aptitude and sustained contribution.
[15:23] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[15:23] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[15:23] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[15:23] <persia> Congratulations hyperair, and welcome!
[15:23] <hyperair> ^_^ thanks everyone
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> yay hyperair \o/
[15:24] <cyphermox> congrats hyperair :)
[15:24]  * hyperair high-fives chrisccoulson
[15:24] <highvoltage> congrats and welcome hyperair
[15:24] <hyperair> thanks =)
[15:24] <ivajotha> thanksthanksthanksthanksthanks
[15:24] <ivajotha> !!
[15:24] <persia> [TOPIC] Bhavani Shankar for MOTU
[15:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bhavani Shankar for MOTU
[15:25] <coolbhavi> hi all
[15:26] <cody-somerville> What does it mean to be an 87 edition Indian?
[15:26] <persia> coolbhavi: You decline to answer what you like least.  As much as I agree Ubuntu is a wonderful environment, there must be at least one thing that is less excellent than everything else.
[15:26] <coolbhavi> cody-somerville, i m 87 born :)
[15:27] <cody-somerville> Ah.
[15:27] <stgraber> Quickly looking at your wiki page, it seems like you mostly worked on sync/merges and fixing FTBFS. Did you also work on some "complete" packaging as in, packaging something from scratch ?
[15:27] <coolbhavi> persia, being a physically challenged guy its great to be a part of the community
[15:28] <persia> coolbhavi: Sure, but is there nothing that could be improved?
[15:28] <coolbhavi> stgraber, None as of now but I have worked on ITA's in debian
[15:29] <cody-somerville> coolbhavi, You seem to be in a lot of different teams; desktop, server, sound, uwn, boot, etc. Do you actively contribute in all of them?
[15:29] <coolbhavi> persia, as I ve seen there is nothing
[15:30] <coolbhavi> cody-somerville, yes but when time permits off my academics
[15:30] <cody-somerville> 704 uploads to Ubuntu; how many of them would you say are sponsored uploads and how many are syncs?
[15:31] <coolbhavi> cody-somerville, 350+ syncs 250+ merges
[15:31] <persia> coolbhavi: Could you share your view on how python-carrot was affected by the new upstream version of python-stompy ?
[15:32] <persia> (just to pick a recent sync at random)
[15:32] <coolbhavi> persia, please bear with my slow typo
[15:32] <persia> coolbhavi: No problem :)
[15:35] <ari-tczew> +1 for coolbhavi @ MOTU ;-D
[15:35] <coolbhavi> persia, yeah I look at the changes first and test build it and install it on my system before a sync and when time permits i do a test
[15:37] <cody-somerville> I have to go now.
[15:37] <persia> Other questions for coolbhavi
[15:37] <persia> cody-somerville: Can we keep you another 20 minutes?
[15:37] <coolbhavi> persia, and since my internet is around 10kpbs here testing packages out sometimes cause a real hindrance
[15:38] <cody-somerville> persia, I might be able to squeeze it. I have an appointment to go to.
[15:38] <persia> geser: stgraber cody-somerville: any more questions for coolbhavi ?
[15:38] <cody-somerville> Nope.
[15:38]  * persia tries to go quick-like to keep quorum
[15:38] <stgraber> nope
[15:38] <geser> nope
[15:39] <persia> [VOTE] approve Bhavani Shankar for MOTU
[15:39] <MootBot> Please vote on:  approve Bhavani Shankar for MOTU.
[15:39] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:39] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:39] <persia> -1 Great level of involvement, but insufficient evidence of technical expertise
[15:39] <MootBot> -1 received from persia. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[15:39] <cody-somerville> -1 Insufficient evidence of technical expertise
[15:39] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
[15:39] <cody-somerville> Great level of involvement though!
[15:40] <geser> -1 based on the repeated feedback asking for more experience
[15:40] <MootBot> -1 received from geser. 0 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3
[15:40] <cody-somerville> Your work on syncs and merges is greatly appreciated.
[15:40] <stgraber> -1 Would like to see more evidence of technical expertise (as in, from scratch packaging)
[15:40] <MootBot> -1 received from stgraber. 0 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4
[15:40] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[15:40] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 4 against. 0 abstained. Total: -4
[15:40] <persia> coolbhavi: Please keep up the good work: those endorsing you all seem to believe you can get there soon.
[15:41] <persia> [TOPIC] Matt Trudel for MOTU
[15:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Matt Trudel for MOTU
[15:41] <coolbhavi> :( okay thanks
[15:41] <cyphermox> hi!
[15:41]  * stgraber quickly looks at cyphermox LP page
[15:42] <persia> cyphermox: What sort of work would you expect to be doing as a MOTU?
[15:42] <stgraber> though I already know he's a great contributor, helped a lot with NM as asac mentioned. I met him in person a few times and completely forgot to leave a testimonial on his wiki page.
[15:42] <persia> (as MOTU cannot upload in the desktop and server realms you identify as your interests)
[15:43] <cyphermox> I feel there's a large number of packages that are part of what the motu team deals with, many of them requiring love badly, or at least every once in a while
[15:43] <cyphermox> (looking up for the example)
[15:44] <cyphermox> dvbsnoop
[15:44] <cyphermox> is one I have worked on very recently
[15:44] <stgraber> cyphermox: pastebinit ? ;) (though I'd have to release it first ...)
[15:44] <cyphermox> that too :)
[15:46] <cyphermox> I'm aware of the issue with being unable to upload NM, for example -- and I still have to work on a MIR for -pptp too :)
[15:47]  * persia is very familiar with cyphermox from previous recent applications : do others have questions?
[15:47] <stgraber> ready to vote
[15:48] <geser> cyphermox: I see that you have only two endorsements, didn't you work with other people or didn't they have time to add an endorsement?
[15:50] <cyphermox> well, i bugged stgraber a bit, and bdrung has uploaded some things I've done but I figured the two uploads (with little discussion about them) weren't necessarily warranting asking for an endorsement
[15:50] <cyphermox> it's hard to approach somebody you've only "worked with" because an upload was sponsored and didn't really have issues.
[15:50] <persia> cody-somerville: Just let us know when you have to dash: feel free to vote in advance if you're ready
[15:51] <cody-somerville> -1 PPU permissions or package set permissions seem more appropriate at this time.
[15:52] <persia> cody-somerville: And we won't need quorum for the last item.  Thanks for sticking around.
[15:52] <cody-somerville> Cheers.
[15:53] <highvoltage> cheers cody-somerville
[15:54] <persia> geser: more questons?
[15:54] <geser> no
[15:54] <persia> [VOTE] approve Matt Trudel for MOTU
[15:54] <MootBot> Please vote on:  approve Matt Trudel for MOTU.
[15:54] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:54] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:54] <persia> +0 The technical skills shown are great, but I'd like to see more breadth of work for MOTU
[15:54] <MootBot> Abstention received from persia. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[15:55] <cody-somerville> -1 PPU permissions or package set permissions seem more appropriate at this time.
[15:55] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
[15:56] <stgraber> +1 I believe his current work show the required technical skills to become a MOTU and believe that even though PPU would make sense for his current work. I think he'd be making good use of being a MOTU especially as he's deeply involved in the local community (that can clearly use another MOTU).
[15:56] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 1 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[15:57] <geser> +0 missing some visible breadth on the touched packages I like to see for MOTU
[15:57] <MootBot> Abstention received from geser. 1 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
[15:57] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[15:57] <MootBot> Final result is 1 for, 1 against. 2 abstained. Total: 0
[15:57] <persia> cyphermox: I'll send an email to the remaining members of the board for their votes.  Based on the last result, you should know within a week.
[15:57] <cyphermox> alright
[15:57] <cyphermox> thanks for hearing me :)
[15:58] <persia> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Developers Deligation
[15:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  Edubuntu Developers Deligation
[15:58] <geser> cyphermox: if you are really interested on network-manager-*, try getting PPU rights for them
[15:58] <cyphermox> geser, will do
[15:58] <persia> highvoltage: For this, you need to apply to the Technical Board: we're powerless to help you.
[15:58] <highvoltage> persia: Ah, I'm quite sure some wiki page said we must apply to the DMB
[15:58] <persia> [TOPC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:58] <geser> that answers my question if we are the right board for this
[15:59]  * persia goes off to dig up the reference, hoping someone will volunteer to chair next time before we run out of time
[15:59] <highvoltage> persia: but we will do so and I'll check that wiki page again and sees that it gets fixed
[15:59] <persia> highvoltage: At the very bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers/TeamDelegation
[15:59] <persia> geser: stgraber: which of you wants to chair next time?
[16:00] <stgraber> I'll do it
[16:00] <persia> Excellent.
[16:00] <persia> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:00] <persia> Anyone have anything so urgent it can't wait two weeks, and can be handled in two minutes?
[16:01] <persia> #endmeeting
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:01.
[16:58]  * JFo waves
[16:59]  * smb looks expectingly
[17:00]  * cnd waves
[17:00]  * jjohansen waves
[17:00]  * JFo truffle shuffles
[17:00]  * ogasawara waves
[17:01]  * apw looks like someone else
[17:01] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is bjf.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[17:02]  * amitk slides in
[17:02] <bjf> NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:02]  * manjo wazzzap
[17:02] <bjf> There are no open action items from last week.
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics:
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics:
[17:02] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (3 bugs, 2 blueprints)
[17:02] <JFo> [17:02] <JFo> Alpha 3 Milestoned Bugs (25 bugs against all packages (down 10))
[17:02] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (no change)
[17:02] <JFo>  * 3 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (up 1)
[17:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bug (no change)
[17:02] <JFo>  * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (up 1)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo> Release Targeted Bugs (132 bugs against all packages (down 1))
[17:03] <JFo>  * 14 linux kernel bugs (up 3)
[17:03] <JFo>  * 4 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (up 2)
[17:03] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bug
[17:03] <JFo>  * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (up 1)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo> Milestoned Features -
[17:03] <JFo>  * 1 blueprint
[17:03] <JFo>     * https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-new-kernel-on-lts (smb)
[17:03] <JFo> [17:03] <JFo> Bugs with Patches Attached:107 (not counting Fix Committed)(no change)
[17:03] <JFo> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[17:03] <JFo> ..
[17:03] <bjf> apw, any comments on any of that?
[17:04] <apw> nope ta
[17:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)
[17:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[17:04] <JFo> No update, all items are still in progress.
[17:04] <JFo> ..
[17:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)
[17:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta
[17:04]  * cking saunters in late
[17:04] <apw> Followed up on "under-discussion" patches, this led to four patches being
[17:04] <apw> dropped as they are no longer required.
[17:04] <apw> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[17:05] <apw> Benchmarking pulling out PATA/SATA controllers appears to indicate there is a time penalty, we therefore need to look at the most common controllers to retain.
[17:05] <apw> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[17:05] <apw> There is much discussion regarding the quality of KMS for ATI Radeon.  It seems that upstream is not interested in supporting KMS for ATI on 2.6.32.  So far we have only one confirmed broken card, and we may have a small patch stack to make that workable.  As we are already backporting Nouveau should we extend that to ATI; discussions continue.
[17:06] <apw> ..
[17:06] <sconklin> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[17:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[17:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[17:06] <manjo> I am reworking patch as per amitk's comments
[17:07] <manjo> will submit soon
[17:07] <manjo> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[17:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[17:07] <jjohansen> Testing newest update atm, new post going out today, and pull request going out
[17:07] <jjohansen> today.  Fixes Bug #496110, Bug #507069, and Fix of locking bug
[17:07] <jjohansen> Also fixed Bug #131976
[17:07] <jjohansen> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[17:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[17:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[17:08] <apw> We remain around the 1.6s to rootfs mark.  We have one outstanding bug to do with new locking to protect USB strings which have become mutable as a result of the introduction of wireless USB hubs.  Patches to fix this issue using RCU techniques are in testing.
[17:08] <apw> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[17:08] <bjf> I've rolled the alsa c-o-d for karmic as well as lucid in the last
[17:08] <bjf> week. It's obvious that they are being used, which is good news.
[17:08] <bjf> That's all.
[17:08] <bjf> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[17:09] <amitk> nothing new to report (caught up with some other things)
[17:09] <amitk> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[17:09] <jjohansen> Looking good we had a small update regression last week that should be fixed now Bug #520015 (haven't tested)
[17:10] <jjohansen> ..
[17:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Lucid (apw)
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Lucid (apw)
[17:10] <apw> Lucid is now updated to stable v2.6.32.8 and to include a couple more [sigh] Ironlake patches.  Light testing it seems no worse than previously.
[17:10] <apw> Progress was pretty good over the sprint week with us tending towards the trend-line (ie. catching up).  Most of the prime features seem on track, graphics is still problematic.
[17:10] <apw> ..
[17:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[17:11] <smb> Dapper:      2.6.15-55.82  (security)
[17:11] <smb> Hardy:       2.6.24-27.65  (security)
[17:11] <smb> Intrepid:    2.6.27-17.45  (security)
[17:11] <smb> Jaunty:      2.6.28-18.59  (security)
[17:11] <smb> Karmic:      2.6.31-19.56  (security)
[17:11] <smb>              2.6.31-20.57  (proposed)[8]  5/18 verifications done (+1)
[17:11] <smb>  - LBM       2.6.31-20.22  (proposed)[8]  0/ 2 verifications done
[17:11] <smb>  - mvl-dove  2.6.31-211.22 (security)
[17:11] <smb>              2.6.31-211.23 (waiting for acceptance)
[17:11] <smb>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-108.21 (security)
[17:11] <smb>              2.6.31-108.22 (waiting for acceptance)
[17:11] <smb>  - ec2       2.6.31-304.10 (security)
[17:11] <smb>              2.6.31-304.11 (waiting for acceptance)
[17:11] <smb> Not much more to say this week.
[17:11] <smb> ..
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:12] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 130 Lucid Bugs (up 8)
[17:12] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:12] <JFo> == regression-potential (down 1) ==
[17:12] <JFo> 38 lucid bugs
[17:12] <JFo> == regression-update (no change)==
[17:12] <JFo> 9 karmic bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 5 jaunty bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 2 intrepid bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 1 hardy bug
[17:12] <JFo> == regression-release (down 1)==
[17:12] <JFo> 55 karmic bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 22 jaunty bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 11 intrepid bugs
[17:12] <JFo> 4 hardy bugs
[17:12] <JFo> == regression-proposed (no change)==
[17:12] <JFo> 1 karmic bug
[17:12] <JFo> ..
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:12] <JFo> A gentle reminder that today is Kernel BugDay. If you have any spare cycles, your help would be greatly appreciated.
[17:12] <JFo> The information on this weeks bug focus (suspend resume bugs) is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/BugDay/20100216
[17:12] <JFo> Last week's bug day was postponed due to the previous week's Platform Sprint.
[17:12] <JFo> ..
[17:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[17:13] <apw> REMINDER: 4 weeks to freeze
[17:14] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:14] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:14] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:14.
[17:14] <apw> bjf thanks
[17:14] <JFo> thanks bjf
[17:14] <cking> blink and it's over
[17:14] <smb> ta
[17:15] <jjoani> sudo su
[17:15] <jjoani> hola  atodos
[19:09] <soy_tu_padre> hi
[19:09] <soy_tu_padre> bye
[19:09] <soy_tu_padre> :D
[19:42]  * MagicFab warms up
[19:45] <hobgoblin> hola
[19:46] <Guest90507> aqui llegando para el reconocimiento del foro como team oficial de ubuntu
[19:48] <fetova> Guest90507, te recomendaria poner tu nick ;)
[19:48]  * fetova waves
[19:48] <fetova> :P
[19:48] <Guest90507> lo puse pero me lo vot quien sabe por que
[19:49] <Guest90507> entro con el mismo usuario del foro
[19:49] <Guest90507> pero me lo vota
[19:49] <Guest90507> deja entro de nuevo
[19:49] <fetova> mejor conversamos en privado... aca se habla en ingles ;)
[19:49] <Guest90507> para ver que es lo que pasa
[19:49] <fetova> ok
[19:50] <testing> test...
[19:51] <pvandewyngaerde> test
[19:51] <fetova> [13:50] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[19:52] <fetova> was that
[19:52] <paco> ya esta
[19:52] <paco> solo cambie el nick name por otro
[19:53] <fetova> ok, hope will be fine
[19:56] <paco> ya no falta mucho
[19:57] <jorgevazq> paco: nope
[19:59] <jorgevazq> brb
[19:59] <czajkowski> Aloha
[20:00] <fetova> czajkowski, hi :)
[20:00] <svaksha> czajkowski: hi
[20:00] <Toluxero> czajkowski: hi :)
[20:00] <jean7491> hello, good evening
[20:00] <czajkowski> all early :) good stuff
[20:00] <pvandewyngaerde> hi
[20:01] <fetova> :)
[20:01] <Toluxero> jean7491: good afternoon here in Mexico :P but good evening...
[20:01]  * MagicFab brandishes the Quebec flag
[20:01] <czajkowski> popey: JanC itnet7  meeting time
[20:01]  * fetova the mexican one :D
[20:02] <JanC> yep, I'm here
[20:02] <czajkowski> lovely
[20:03] <czajkowski> huats will be a little late
[20:04] <mongolito404> Hi
[20:04]  * komputes is here to show support for ubuntu-qc
[20:04] <cyphermox> komputes, MagicFab: \o/
[20:04] <JanC> popey: ping ?
[20:04] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda Agenda
[20:05] <czajkowski> we need more than JanC and myself here though..
[20:05] <dupondje> i'm here also :)
[20:05]  * DuCkNeT is here also to support ubuntu-qc
[20:05]  * jamesjedimaster is here to support for ubuntu-mx
[20:06]  * Toluxero is here to support for ubuntu-mx
[20:06] <fetova> jamesjedimaster, Toluxero  :P
[20:07] <MagicFab> ah, the agony :)
[20:07]  * Gargadon is here to support for ubuntu-mx
[20:07] <Gargadon> hehehehe...
[20:07] <fetova> :P
[20:07] <paco> ya
[20:08] <Toluxero> Gargadon: wow, you're here, I'am surprised!
[20:08]  * fetova is nervious... :P
[20:08] <czajkowski> fetova: no need to be
[20:08] <czajkowski> we just need more of us here, just give us a few mins
[20:09] <czajkowski> people probably having pancakes :)
[20:09] <fetova> xD
[20:09] <Toluxero> plop
[20:09] <Toluxero> xD
[20:09] <fetova> i want! :P
[20:09] <czajkowski> while we are waiting are there any questions regarding the RE approval process ??
[20:09] <paco> si el foro es soporte en español
[20:09] <fetova> sorry, i need to practice more my english, have me patience :)
[20:10] <czajkowski> fetova: that;s ok :)
[20:10] <paco> por que todos escriben en ingles
[20:10]  * MagicFab hugs akgraner fetova asac brettalton cjwatson cody-somerville czajkowski dinda DuCkNeT elky formolQC highvoltage jcastro Joeb454 jpds kees kirkland komputes mdeslaur  mvo  NCommander  nijaba ogasawara ogra pleia2 RoAkSoAx shang Snowrunner stgraber swe3tdave zul
[20:10] <czajkowski> MagicFab: yay *hugs*
[20:10] <brettalton> MagicFab: yaay, why me?
[20:10] <MagicFab> brettalton, side effect
[20:10] <komputes> I loves me some hugs
[20:10] <fetova> paco, el idioma oficial del canal es ingles, necesitas ayuda?
[20:10] <meraz> im here supporting for ubuntu-mx
[20:10]  * Snowrunner cheers at MagicFab
[20:10] <fetova> :P
[20:10] <akgraner> MagicFab, *hugs* rock :-) thanks!
[20:11]  * formolQC cheers for Ubuntu QC
[20:11] <paco> creo que si un poco
[20:11] <Toluxero> meraz: o/ partner
[20:11] <paco> no se mucho de ingles
[20:11]  * RoAkSoAx *hugs* MagicFab back :P
[20:11] <MagicFab> Y donde está la barra del mx ??
[20:11]  * mdeslaur is here for Ubuntu QC
[20:11] <shang> yeah~ QC
[20:11]  * shang hugs MagicFab 
[20:11]  * shang shang_QC
[20:11] <pmatulis> if ubuntu qc joins we'll need to have a special clause that will prevent "separation"
[20:11] <DuCkNeT> w00t w00t QC
[20:11]  * swe3tdave cheers for Ubuntu QC
[20:11] <cyphermox> pmatulis, nice ;)
[20:12] <Toluxero> MagicFab: here! de mexico mi estimado
[20:13] <jamesjedimaster> MagicFab: aqui de mx tambien
[20:13] <highvoltage> heh, thanks MagicFab!
[20:13] <paco> es que stoy intentando instalar el sistema ubuntu en mi lap
[20:13] <paco> pero se traba
[20:13] <Gargadon> paco: pues entra a los canales de soporte
[20:13] <MagicFab> Viva México :D
[20:13] <fetova> paco, de donde eres?
[20:13] <fetova> MagicFab, \o/
[20:13] <highvoltage> what meeting is this?
[20:13] <paco> mexico
[20:13] <komputes> pmatulis: like a prenuptial agreement?
[20:13] <MagicFab> highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda
[20:13] <paco> vengo del foro ubuntumexico.org
[20:13] <fetova> metete a #ubuntu-mx
[20:14] <pmatulis> komputes: anything, just write it down
[20:14] <fetova> en el canal nos cuentas que te pasa ;)
[20:14] <MagicFab> we're relaxing while all the voting parties arrive
[20:14] <MagicFab> luis_lopez, ~o~
[20:14] <luis_lopez> MagicFab: yo!
[20:14] <fetova> :D
[20:14] <Toluxero> paco: el canal de ayuda es #ubuntu-mx este es un canal internacional para juntas :D
[20:15] <paco> ok
[20:15] <MagicFab> paco, en #ubuntu-co también te ayudan
[20:15] <paco> thank's ya entre a mx
[20:15] <paco> thank's
[20:15] <pmatulis> shouldn't we be working?
[20:16] <fetova> :P
[20:17] <MagicFab> czajkowski, remind us who is missing to start the meeting ?
[20:18] <czajkowski> MagicFab: there is only myself and JanC here at present, we need at least 3 if not 4 to vote.
[20:18] <czajkowski> MagicFab: popey hutes and itnet7 and keffie-jax
[20:18] <czajkowski> so I think right now, rather than delaying folks, we're going to have to reschedule
[20:18] <MagicFab> so we need 3 of them to come by :(
[20:18] <czajkowski> I'm sorry
[20:19] <czajkowski> if anyone has any questions myself and JanC are here to answer
[20:19] <czajkowski> but there isn't any oint in going through the applications as there can't be any voting done
[20:20] <itnet7> here now sorry
[20:20] <czajkowski> ok so we have 3
[20:20] <czajkowski> whoo
[20:20] <czajkowski> making progress
[20:20] <jamesjedimaster> good
[20:20] <jono> who from the council is not here?
[20:20] <czajkowski> jono: popey hutes and keffie
[20:21] <jono> hmmm
[20:21] <cjohnston> :-(
[20:21] <czajkowski> huats will be on later
[20:21] <jono> this is not good
[20:21] <czajkowski> he had said he'd be late
[20:21] <jono> were they aware of the meeting?
[20:21] <jono> popey, are you around?
[20:21] <JanC> s/hutes/huats/
[20:22] <JanC> huats said he might be late because an important IRL meeting at work
[20:22] <jono> it seems like there is just not enough members to join
[20:22] <czajkowski> we still need a 4th I think due to there being 6 of us
[20:22] <jono> how many members are here?
[20:23] <czajkowski> so again, sorry about this, but if anyone has any questions relating to loco issues
[20:23] <czajkowski> or re approval we're here
[20:23] <itnet7> o/
[20:23] <czajkowski> jono: me itnet7 and JanC
[20:23] <jono> two of your?
[20:23] <jono> ahhh three
[20:23] <itnet7> Sorry had to put out some fire's for work
[20:23] <jono> ok you need one more member
[20:23] <czajkowski> jono: aye
[20:23] <komputes> jono: ubuntu member and ubuntu-qc member here o/
[20:23] <jono> so maybe you can all vote and then follow up on the list
[20:23] <jono> that will be a good use of the time
[20:24] <JanC> maybe if huats shows up later..., we can start to look at the approvals already
[20:24]  * komputes agrees - can we vote now so I can eat
[20:24] <jono> sorry folks I need to run to the airport
[20:24] <komputes> jono: ciao
[20:24] <jono> I recommend council members vote here and then follow up on the list with missing members
[20:24] <itnet7> safe travels
[20:24] <jono> ok, later all
[20:24] <czajkowski> ok
[20:24] <czajkowski> jono: safe travels
[20:24] <JanC> also, I can't vote on re-approval of my own team, so we actually need 2 more for that  ;)
[20:24] <czajkowski> ok
[20:25] <DuCkNeT> janc: can we still proceed with the other 2 approval ?
[20:25] <czajkowski> lets start with  the Quebec LoCo
[20:25] <czajkowski> and we can work on things that way
[20:25] <czajkowski> ok
[20:25]  * MagicFab -> fireworks
[20:25] <czajkowski> So who here is from Quebec
[20:25]  * Snowrunner_QC cheers for Ubuntu-QC
[20:25] <komputes> o?
[20:25] <cyphermox> o/
[20:25]  * swe3tdave cheers for Ubuntu QC
[20:25] <komputes> o/
[20:25]  * DuCkNeT cheers for quebec
[20:25] <Snowrunner_QC> o/
[20:25]  * DuCkNeT is here
[20:25] <DuCkNeT> for quebec
[20:25] <MagicFab> luis_lopez, ^ shang_QC pmatulis and others too :)
[20:25] <luis_lopez> o/
[20:25] <DuCkNeT> hum.. ubuntu-qc
[20:26] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:26]  * itnet7 looks over the App/Team Wiki
[20:26] <pmatulis> o/
[20:26]  * shang_QC cheers for Ubuntu-QC
[20:26] <czajkowski> so who from the  Quebec would like to tell us about some of the stuff you've been doing
[20:26] <czajkowski> ?
[20:27] <komputes> czajkowski: well Fabian has started the Ubutnu Hour, let him talk about that
[20:27] <komputes> then I will talk about globaljam
[20:27] <komputes> MagicFab: floor is yours
[20:27] <czajkowski> ok
[20:27] <czajkowski> sounds good
[20:27] <swe3tdave> then i will talk about ubuntu drupal
[20:27]  * DuCkNeT rolling the red carpet
[20:27] <MagicFab> Yes, we've come up with some simple but effective ways to do more with less people
[20:28] <MagicFab> komputes, and cyphermox here have been stars at the last Global Jam
[20:28] <MagicFab> and we're gearing up for another good one
[20:28] <cyphermox> yep :)
[20:28] <komputes> I was one of the organizers of the first Ubuntu-QC Global Bug Jam last year, and will be organizing the second one this year.
[20:28] <czajkowski> MagicFab: yes we've even taken a leaf out of you book and running our own. great idae.
[20:29]  * komputes is checking member count for the LoCo
[20:29] <czajkowski> Idea
[20:29] <MagicFab> we have great people in Quebec joining our parties - like stgraber (who just made it in the Ubuntu tech board) and all his colleagues from Revolution linux
[20:29] <itnet7> Your LoCo has done some extraordinary work!!
[20:29] <czajkowski> yes well done
[20:29] <MagicFab> I'd say our main activity is social stuff - we network. This was mostly visible during the recent tou.tv advocacy sprint for Ubuntu support of a webtv site
[20:29] <czajkowski> can you tell me a bit more about that please?
[20:29] <Snowrunner_QC> that was amazing!
[20:30] <MagicFab> So the team is small but I believe we have great impact
[20:30] <komputes> Ubuntu-QC has  89  active members
[20:30] <MagicFab> well, Radio Canada, state-run TV + broadcast organization launched a huge site for their webtv (40 thounsand+ fans in Facebook)
[20:30] <JanC> http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/2010/02/10/thank-you-ubuntu-qc-and-facebook/ --> nice work
[20:30] <MagicFab> well, huge as per our context
[20:31] <MagicFab> unfortunately only Flash, and untested in Linux. Our team list picked that up quickly, organized, and pressured into addressing this.
[20:31] <komputes> I have found that Quebec is a great place to find people who agree with the free software ideology. With more events we will gather many new members in no time.
[20:31] <MagicFab> I believe community events and simple, visible, tangible efforts like that bring out the best Ubuntu has to all - we plan on keeping doing that.
[20:32] <czajkowski> ok so on your roadmap you mention double your numbers, how do you see this happening??
[20:32] <Snowrunner_QC> I must add that this advocacy is the last event of a long struggle against Radio-canada, their website never was linux friendly.
[20:32] <MagicFab> czajkowski, social networking on sites like Facebook, identi.ca, and in-person-events.
[20:33] <JanC> any plans for events to try to reach people who don't know Ubuntu & open source yet?
[20:33] <cyphermox> If I may answer that one :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> sure
[20:33] <komputes> Word of mouth and events i find are very effecting in having growing numbers in the LoCo
[20:33] <MagicFab> We also have great visibility in local media - the Ubuntu "regular users" here in Quebec are hiding but we'll find them . Our FB group brought 400 together which is way more than the 89 we have in LP right now.
[20:33]  * DuCkNeT proud to be on ubuntu-qc team for what they have done so far
[20:33] <cyphermox> Out global jam event is held (and should be again) in a university
[20:33] <czajkowski> cyphermox: you make channels highlight when I'm not around :)
[20:33] <MagicFab> So I think double is even low.
[20:34] <cyphermox> we work with the local LUG and user groups to get this known by a larger body of people
[20:34] <cyphermox> I do usually try to get the release parties advertised by local newspapers, but so far without much luck
[20:35] <czajkowski> cyphermox: very hard to get local paper s involved I find
[20:35] <cyphermox> indeed
[20:35] <MagicFab> As you can see ubuntu QC is much more than just me :D
[20:35] <komputes> We also have many memvers who are part of bugcontrol which helps.
[20:35] <fetova> thats wonderful, MagicFab :D
[20:35] <czajkowski> MagicFab: that is is!
[20:35] <Snowrunner_QC> About release party, they are often in a 3 floors pub, and people always come asking question on the release party floor about ubuntu.
[20:36] <DuCkNeT> also members in the testing.... <----
[20:36] <czajkowski> So is there anything else you'd like to tell us about your LoCo ?
[20:36] <Snowrunner_QC> we rock! ;)
[20:36] <MagicFab> yes, our parties are known as *the* place to network around Linux :D
[20:36] <DuCkNeT> we do rock
[20:37] <czajkowski> heh good stuff
[20:37] <komputes> enough of patting our own backs, but really, we do really rock
[20:37] <MagicFab> czajkowski, as a France-born Colombian living in Quebec since 1989, I am very proud this would be recognized as an official team :)
[20:37] <czajkowski> that;s a great thing MagicFab
[20:37] <czajkowski> ok so I think we're ready to vote
[20:37] <MagicFab> but many others drive it where it is.
[20:38] <swe3tdave> lets not forget all the work we did on the web site has been used to create Ubuntu Drupal, other teams are now using and contributing to our code.
[20:38] <czajkowski> just to note, while JanC itnet7 and i can vote , we need to get the others to vote, so we will take it to the list afterwards,
[20:38] <MagicFab> swe3tdave is right, many Loco teams now have "turnkey" website thanks to the Drupal Theme he initially started :D
[20:38] <czajkowski> I think you guys are doing a great job, and look forward to reading more about you  +1
[20:39] <czajkowski> itnet7: JanC
[20:39]  * Snowrunner_QC cheers
[20:39] <itnet7> +1 absolutely
[20:39] <itnet7> very good work!
[20:39] <JanC> +1 from me
[20:39] <czajkowski> and with that we shall pass this information ont the loco council mailing list and get back to you this week. Ok
[20:39]  * MagicFab pour Aguardiente - throws a cup over his shoulder for the other teams
[20:40] <fetova> gratz! :D
[20:40] <czajkowski> okie dokie
[20:40] <komputes> thank you guys - good luck to ubuntu-mx!
[20:40] <MagicFab> czajkowski, np - thank you! And thanks to all who cheered for the team - you rock!
[20:40] <fetova> ty! :D
[20:40] <Snowrunner_QC> thank you!
[20:40] <czajkowski> ok so who's here for Mexico
[20:40] <fetova> me!
[20:40] <czajkowski> Aloha :)
[20:40] <fetova> Aloha
[20:41]  * MagicFab installs the Quebec flag in the hall, awaiting official confirmation
[20:41] <jamesjedimaster> me from mx
[20:41] <fetova> :P
[20:41] <czajkowski> fetova: is it just  you?
[20:41] <czajkowski> oh 2nd person also good.
[20:41]  * Toluxero from mx
[20:41] <fetova> nope
[20:41]  * Gargadon too, from mexico
[20:41] <JanC> ubuntu-qc: maybe you can do more at places that are less likely to know Ubuntu already, but I know sometimes that's also dependent on opportunities  ☺
[20:41]  * jorgevazq form mexico
[20:41] <jorgevazq> *from
[20:42] <jamesjedimaster> hahaha he's nervous
[20:42] <Snowrunner_QC> JanC, yes, will do!
[20:42] <jorgevazq> yeah, and kinda cold... isn't supposed to be this cold here :S
[20:42] <MagicFab> JanC, ack that
[20:42] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMxTeam/ApprovalApplication
[20:42] <czajkowski> ok so let us continue with Mexico
[20:42] <fetova> sorry, i'm at work now... this is hard :P
[20:42] <fetova> ready :)
[20:43] <fetova> shoot :P
[20:43] <meraz> here i am
[20:43] <czajkowski> ok so can you tell me a bit about your LoCo
[20:43] <czajkowski> how you get things done?
[20:43] <jorgevazq> excuse me in advance, I'm at webchat right now, so I may experience problems... pidgin is trying to fly over the Firewall
[20:43] <jorgevazq> all ready
[20:43] <czajkowski> jorgevazq: ok :)
[20:43] <meraz> hi there jorgevazq
[20:44] <fetova> ok...
[20:44] <Toluxero> jorgevazq: :)
[20:44] <itnet7> jorgevazq: lol
[20:44] <fetova> we have sub teams to work
[20:44] <paco> I am already here
[20:44] <fetova> we have a artwork team
[20:44] <fetova> a doc team...
[20:44] <fetova> mentoring, podcast :D
[20:45] <fetova> marketing
[20:45] <meraz> support team too
[20:45] <czajkowski> you have  a large break down of teams, are there many in each teams, and how do you get people to take part ?
[20:45] <meraz> off course lol
[20:45] <fetova> all be small teams
[20:46] <jorgevazq> czajkowski: the largest team would be podcasting
[20:46] <fetova> and we try to involve the people on them
[20:46] <fetova> seeing what they do
[20:46] <fetova> example
[20:46] <fetova> someone ask a lot of faq...
[20:47]  * JanC remembers ubuntu-be "stole" one of ubuntu-mx's members recently  ;)
[20:47] <fetova> we try to involve him on the doc team to apport ideas
[20:47] <fetova> really? :(
[20:47] <jorgevazq> fetova: focus
[20:48] <fetova> ok...
[20:48] <JanC> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-be/2009-December/006194.html
[20:49] <fetova> i see...
[20:49] <fetova> well...
[20:49] <fetova> a permanent work on ubuntu-mx is...
[20:49] <fetova> get the people together
[20:50] <jorgevazq> get people's ideas and make them work
[20:50] <fetova> a lot of people know ubuntu, use ubuntu... spread ubuntu...
[20:50] <czajkowski> ok and in the past, I'm only seeing 4 events listed
[20:50] <czajkowski>  all in 2008 what happened in 2009
[20:51] <jorgevazq> in 2009 we had the H1N1 situation
[20:51] <jorgevazq> which... kinda stopped several events from happening, such as FLISoL
[20:51] <czajkowski> jorgevazq: why aren't these on the wiki page ?
[20:52] <czajkowski> were there no other meet ups?
[20:52] <jorgevazq> some of them were
[20:52] <jorgevazq> we actually had presence in events in universities, but failed to collect proof
[20:53] <jorgevazq> besides, the podcast project started in 2009
[20:53] <JanC> jorgevazq: you can list them without proof too
[20:53] <jorgevazq> from scratch
[20:53] <jorgevazq> JanC: didn't know about it ;)
[20:54] <fetova> good to know :)
[20:54] <JanC> and for the future you can ask people to write (short) reports of such events
[20:55] <jorgevazq> JanC: good to know, what happened is that th organizing staff of several events
[20:55] <czajkowski> yes like add a blog post on an event or an update to your reports
[20:55] <jorgevazq> such as FESoL, promised to email us the pictures... but haven't had the time to do so
[20:56] <jorgevazq> czajkowski: what we were thinking was to mention those activities "on air" in the podcast
[20:56] <czajkowski> jorgevazq: great idea, don't get me wrong, but it'd be nice to see them listed on the wiki.
[20:56] <JanC> it doesn't have to be staff, everybody present can make a blog post or whatever
[20:56] <jamesjedimaster> but it's a good idea to have them on the forum
[20:56] <jorgevazq> czajkowski: ok, we'll do our best to keep our wiki updated from now on ;)
[20:57] <czajkowski> jorgevazq: thank you
[20:57] <jorgevazq> FYI: we do have pictures on FESoL 2009, just failed to put the exact date (is the last event marked)
[20:58] <jorgevazq> anyway... we also had several organizational improvements on 2009
[20:59] <jorgevazq> an example would be the creation of ubuntu-mx-council, which we believe have helped to quicken the entire process of getting things done
[20:59] <jorgevazq> ubuntu-mx-council is actually composed by the LoCo Leader (fetova) and 3 team leaders
[21:00] <jorgevazq> but once other projects take off, then their leaders will also be invited to become part of the council
[21:00] <itnet7> I would like to see more clearer documentation and some photos, I do think that all of you are dong a good job though
[21:01] <JanC> ubuntu-mx: we'd like to propose that you come back next month with more activities listed
[21:01] <itnet7> I agree with JanC !
[21:02] <czajkowski> you've done some good, work, but think your wiki could do with some more activities on it
[21:02] <czajkowski> do come back next month please
[21:02] <jamesjedimaster> ok, we will work on it
[21:02] <jorgevazq> ok, we'll do
[21:02] <czajkowski> Thank you
[21:02] <jorgevazq> anyway its just a matter of listing what we have already done
[21:02] <fetova> ok, we will work more on the wiki :)
[21:02] <JanC> for example I also see on your site you have sort of a local distribution network for CDs (from what I understand) which isn't listed on the wiki page either?
[21:03] <fetova> yeah, we have it :)
[21:03] <Toluxero> JanC: czajkowski too much info is posted into the forum.
[21:03] <czajkowski> Toluxero: forum is not the wiki page
[21:03] <JanC> Toluxero: okay, so link to that from the wiki page too  ☺
[21:04] <czajkowski> ok
[21:04] <czajkowski> so moving on please
[21:04] <czajkowski> ok so next up is the Belgian LoCo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:04] <fetova> well... thanks :)
[21:04] <czajkowski> 1st reapproval to be done
[21:04] <czajkowski> :)
[21:04] <czajkowski> who here is from Belgian LoCo ?
[21:04] <jean7491> yes
[21:05]  * mongolito404 is from Belgium
[21:05] <czajkowski> jean7491: aloha!
[21:05] <JanC> o/ (which means I won't comment of course)
[21:05]  * rulus is a Belgian Being too :)
[21:05]  * zuzuzzzip is also from Belgium
[21:05] <czajkowski> right so
[21:06] <pvandewyngaerde1> hello from belgium
[21:06] <czajkowski> this is the application https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:06] <czajkowski> nice work
[21:07]  * MagicFab offre un peu de caribou aux amis belges :)
[21:07] <czajkowski> you do a lot of work at different events, how do you  organise it. how do you get people to take part? you've come  a long way since 1st setting up,, how have you changed or done things differently in that time
[21:07] <itnet7> You all have done some outstanding work!
[21:07] <czajkowski> MagicFab: send me white chocolate!
[21:08] <jean7491> 1st is the activation of an events team ...
[21:08] <itnet7> good show of support!
[21:08] <jean7491> looking for events and contacting people to find local coordinators
[21:09] <pvandewyngaerde1> and enthusiastic people with lots of time in weekends
[21:09] <jorgevazq> if you excuse me, I'm currently in class... shouldn't even be chatting
[21:10] <jean7491> and looking for ad-hoc local teams with volunteers (and entousiastic people
[21:10] <jean7491> 2d thing for the events team is to look where it is posible to work with other groups - clubs
[21:11] <czajkowski> nods
[21:11] <itnet7> Your team seems good in the collaboration dept. taking part in Fossdem, and your other listed projects
[21:12] <jean7491> so we were able to organize a lot of events and projects ...
[21:12] <jean7491> like fosdem or international fair in ghent, thanks local contact
[21:13] <czajkowski> yes your team was very present at FOSDEM
[21:13] <czajkowski> How do you think you'll still draw new people in? to take part?
[21:13] <jean7491> yes , but fosdem is not my personal level, i'm only end-user
[21:13] <JanC> several team members are also FOSDEM organizers, so we actually lose some possible volunteers for our booth there  ;)
[21:14] <czajkowski> hehe
[21:14] <czajkowski> well they get bonus points for running fosdem so!
[21:14] <czajkowski> :)
[21:15] <czajkowski> ok again we cannot vote on this properly
[21:15] <itnet7> I think I'm ready to vote, czajkowski ?
[21:15] <itnet7> Yeah
[21:15] <czajkowski> but I think you guys are doing a great job
[21:15] <czajkowski> +1 from me
[21:15] <JanC> for finding possible volunteers we ask people on the forums & on our support points map
[21:15] <Nun--> it's here and now the event UbuntuMx Loco team?
[21:15] <itnet7> +1 from me also, as before we will have to wait on the mailing list
[21:15] <itnet7> Ubuntu-be is doing really great things!!!
[21:15] <czajkowski> ok
[21:16] <czajkowski> thanks to all those who came sorry it took a while to kick off
[21:16] <JanC> maybe other locoteams using drupal for their site will be interested in the new supports point map that will be a drupal module
[21:16] <czajkowski> for  Quebec and belgium we shall get in touch with you this week
[21:16] <itnet7> I would really like to apologize for holding everyone/anyone up
[21:16] <czajkowski> mexico see you next month
[21:16] <czajkowski> with that I've to dash off to another meeting
[21:16] <itnet7> Defiinitely looking forward next meeting!
[21:18] <jean7491> thanks czajkowski and other members, bye
[21:18] <itnet7> bye jean7491 !
[21:18] <pvandewyngaerde1> thanks
[21:18] <zuzuzzzip> cya
[21:19] <mongolito404> bye
[21:20] <fetova> thanks czajkowski
[21:26] <huats> sorry for the late arrival...
[21:26] <huats> already finished ?
[21:29] <zuzuzzzip> yes huats
[21:29] <huats> zuzuzzzip, thanks
[21:32] <fetova> see ya
[21:40] <Nun--> Bueno, como dijo el chupacabras.. me marcho.